tv The Future of Fashion BBC News July 25, 2021 5:30pm-6:01pm BST
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halima aden made catwalk history when she became the world's first hijab—wearing supermodel. featuring in campaigns for some of the biggest names in the fashion industry. i had never got to experience flipping through a magazine and seeing somebody in a hijab, somebody i could relate to. so to be that person for other girls was just a dream come true. but over time, halima felt the industry was clashing with her muslim faith, and in november 2020 she announced on instagram that she was quitting. i felt great pleasure being the first ——i felt great pressure being the first muslim, hijab—wearing model. it got to a place where i was so far
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removed from my own image. i ran into problems likejeans being placed on my head in the place of a regular scarf. i've arranged for halima to meet with an industry leader, fashion designer tommy hilfiger, to talk for the first time face—to—face about the need for change. i understand why you left the fashion industry. there's been a lot of abuse and a lot of disrespect. and halima exclusively tells us that by quitting, she hopes to stop other diverse talent from leaving the industry. don't change yourself, change the game. if anything, i want the girls to know halima took one for the team. you know, i sacrificed my career so that they could feel comfortable to speak up in any setting. halima aden was born in a kenyan refugee camp after her family fled civil war in somalia. they moved to the us state of minnesota when she was seven years old. at home, the focus was on getting good grades and going to college.
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halima aden, 19, st cloud! but after competing in miss minnesota usa in 2016, the first hijab and modest swimsuit wearing contestant to do so, she was spotted by modelling agency img. a couple of years ago, had you told me this was going to be my life, i would have been like, no way! i was working housekeeping, going to school full—time, and ijust, i didn't plan to be in the fashion industry. in the 102—year history, i was the first model in a hijab to feature on the cover of british vogue. and i remember that being such a proud moment for me. it was written in her modelling contract that she would never remove her hijab, and that she would have a blacked—out box to change in on the shoots to protect her modesty. by 2019 she was walking the runway with fashion superstars and making history yet again,
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collaborating with designers like tommy hilfiger to become the first model to wear a burkini in sports illustrated magazine. since quitting, she hasn't publicly spoken about her experiences with industry insiders, but now, i've arranged for her to meet back up with tommy hilfiger to talk about her decision. you're meeting tommy today and you have some questions for him. given everything we've been through this year, you know, the blm movement, it's just such a timely conversation and it's my first since my exit of the fashion industry and to sit down with one of the industry leaders, it's just, it's going to be an iconic sit—down. tommy hilfiger has been vocal about the need to tackle racism and discrimination in the fashion industry, and in 2020 he pledged $15 million over three years to increase diverse representation.
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i've been speaking with models from diverse backgrounds here in london to find out what it's like working in the fashion industry, and they have some questions for tommy and halima. ramla is 22 years old, and is a muslim hijab—wearing model. i wanted to ask a question about how you said about how your religion and the fashion industry aren't compatible. and i just want to know if you have any advice for other hijabi models in the industry and what you think they can do and we can do to make industries compatible, and if you think it's possible. i think they should be compatible. i think for me, it was also, my mom, early on, had a big problem with me leaving school and pursuing a modelling career. so for me it was multiple things that added to my decision to walk away from fashion, notjust religious reasons. but, you know, the first two years, i would come to every shoot with my hijab, i would do it myself, i had complete
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control. and in the last two years i kind of trusted the team on set to do my hijab, and that's where i run into problems like jeans being placed on my head in place of a regular scarf, just the way that they styled it, i got to a place where i was so far removed from my own image, and my hijab kept shrinking, it got smaller and smaller and smaller with each shoot. it's upsetting to me - to hear that some stylists, or some people, would try to alter your way from who you are, - even. and i really believe that that's | a flaw in the fashion industry. j and i really believe - that the magazines are a lot to blame for enticing i people to look a certain way, even if they're not comfortable doing it. i you know, i've been in situations, i won't say any names,
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but for a different designer, and he actually put my dressing space where i had to walk in the men's dressing space to get my dressing space. and so it was like — wait, did you guys think this through? and it put me in a very uncomfortable position to then walk through the men changing to get to my dressing space. so disrespectful. and i know many models who have gone through. difficult periods of people doing - things with their hair and make—up, maybe making them feel- uncomfortable and putting them in compromising, even, positions. ijust hope and pray that that chapter. is behind us in history, as being the wrong thing to do. if every designer that i worked with treated me the way that you did on set, i think i would've continued to stay in the fashion industry. but the reality is it
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really depended on each and every shoot. well, thank you, - that's a compliment. and i've enjoyed working with you for all these years. - and you have made me look good on the runway, in photographs. i and you were the first designer to invite me to paris fashion week, when at the time, they were like — paris, you know, they're not as open, they're not as inclusive yet, where milan is, new york is. well, i was very proud having you on our runway in paris. . and that was an example i of where we had all sizes, all different ages... mm—hmm, ethnicities. ..ethnicities, and interestingly enough, the parisians- applauded it. and up until that point. people said, "oh, really? you're just going tol have a runway that's just not tall, thin white models?" imean... that, to me, is antiquated. and i think that having respect -
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for the consumer is very important. and i really — i remember, we made you a special swimwear outfit. a scarf, on the burkini. that's right. i still, by the way, get messages from girls asking, "what is this, where can i buy this?" talking about the burkini. i think we sold out of it, i but we should make more. yes, i mean, it wasjust such an incredible experience, especially when you look at the history of the burkini. we have countries like france banning it in public pools and on beaches. and so i think we made quite the statement, to be featured in sports illustrated swimsuit, when other women were wearing a 2—piece, a i—piece, and somebody was dressed more modestly, we pushed the needle. well, i think you have to be very | proud of the fact that you stuck| to your beliefs. i mean, critics, sometimes, you know... i felt like it was a very thin line i had to walk. and i would be upsetting people sometimes from the muslim community.
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i have so many comments like, "this burkini is way too form fitting." "why would you shoot for a publication that's..." yada yada yada. and itjust felt like i was constantly walking a very thin line. you know, trying to appease my muslim fans, but also keeping it very fashionable, because young girls were constantly messaging me. "we want to see you in unique looks, we want to see your scarf done differently." so it was a very — yeah, it was a very thin line to walk. ramla has been modelling for two years and wanted to share some of her industry experiences with halima and tommy. i have been asked by a stylist if i could wear a cutout dress, and we had a whole argument about it, because i told them that i wasn't willing to wear something so revealing, and theyjust didn't understand. but it's like, these brands are looking for that diversity when they're marketing and putting out
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ads, but they're not showing that same consideration behind the scenes, and it just feels a little performative. and another time, i was asked by a photographer if i was willing to get changed in the middle of the park. and i was so shocked, because, i'm a hijabi, like... it just shows how far the industry has to go. i think it's heartbreaking, because she's clearly trying to fit into this industry, but, you know, it's sad that the stylist didn't recognise that they have a hijab—wearing model, so she's not going to be comfortable wearing a cutup dress. what did you think about that? i think it's outrageous, - and i think it's disrespectful. and i think it's — - obviously, she's working with someone without any empathy whatsoever, and that really angers me. it's embarrassing to be a part of a business, i a part of a community,
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that has such outrageously - antiquated ideas, and not caring about the people - they're working with. you know, it's interesting, because when i started out for modelling, i was really like, "this is going to open the door for so many girls from my community." i'd never got to experience flipping through a magazine and seeing somebody in a hijab, somebody i could relate to, so to be that person for other girls wasjust a dream come true. but, you know, the last two years especially, i've been having so much internal conflict with the other hijab—wearing models coming up to me. and even what i saw, i was on a shoot once and there was another muslim hijab—wearing girl, and so they gave me my box and they told her to go find a bathroom to change in. and so when i saw that we weren't being treated equally, like, that never sat well with me. i totally understand that, - and even though i'm disappointed you left the industry,
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for selfish reasons, l i understand it completely. do you think it was a wake—up call for the industry? i do. i think it was a wake—up call. for the industry because i think other brands and other designers would be saying _ what did we do wrong? and i'm surprised more models have not been vocal about it _ because there's been a lot of abuse and a lot of, i would say, _ l disrespect in the fashion industry. between photographers and models. i really hope if i did anything the last four years is to give models the opportunity to know that they can speak up. i felt great pressure being the first muslim, hijab—wearing model in the industry and i felt a sense of responsibility for the girls who followed in my footsteps. and so i'm hoping through my exit and how vocal i have been, they're inspired to speak up on set. on a catwalk and in front of the camera, representation has been steadily improving. but the models here in the uk
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told me that behind the scenes it can often be a different story. my name's naomi, i'm 21 years old and i've been in the industry for almost five years. i have actually been a part of so many diversity shoots where the team in front of the camera, all the models, have been so diverse. but the team or the production off—camera or behind—the—scenes is dominantly white which makes it really difficult for them to work on different models, say, with different skin colour or different hair. and i always struggle with it, i always carry my own make up to sets. my name is kaeleen, i'm 23 years old, and i've been in the modelling industry for five years. i've been on set at times where people didn't know how to work with my hair, people were scared to touch my hair. there's never any products for my hair. i've been on set where people have touched my body
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without my permission, where people have commented on my skin and how silky and soft it looks, i've had an experience modelling for a big publication and the editor came and actually patted my bum. yikes. i mean, what do you think of that? wow, i think it's very disheartening. these are young women and i feel like sometimes people think that they're easy to exploit and fashion can be an industry that's very exploitive. but i would say, again, this is another reason why there needs to be diversity with the make up crew, the hairstylists, and so it's not just about having a diverse catwalk, it's also, what about the people behind—the—scenes? | i think it's outrageous, actually, | and i think that it has to change. i i hope i can be a leader of that. change and i really believe that it comes from the top down.
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the owners of these companies, the head of these companies, i because they can make a difference. all they have to do is call the shots. . is make the rulebook. there's so much that goes on behind |the scenes that has to be corrected. | so, tommy, what are you doing to champion diversity within the fashion industry? well, we created the people's place program, named - after my first business, - to embrace the bipoc community and unlock doors for talented people of colour who wouldn't ordinarily - get the opportunity to really work for a big company- or have mentorship. i really believe that having - the programmes we have in place will enhance the situation. why is it so personal to you? you know, 52 years ago, i i started my first business
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when i was 18 years old, - and from the very beginning, i wanted my brand to be - for everyone and everybody, and when i launched - the tommy hilfiger brand, i launched with the most diverse ad campaign i think_ america had ever seen. and when i started dressing - the hip—hop kids and the rappers... aaliyah! aaliyah. beyonce when she was 16, - before people knew who she was. salt n pepa, tlc, puff daddy, snoop dogg... a lot of people came to me, said, - "do you want to dress those people?" i said, oh, my god, it's a compliment. it's...do you realise _ what a compliment it was to me that they want to wear the clothes? it made may brand cooler and it made my brand relevant. - fashion brands around the world have pledged to improve diversity at all levels of their company.
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but a 2019 study of the beauty and fashion industry in the us found that almost three quarters of board of director positions were held by white men. kaeleen has a question for tommy on what is he is doing to ensure representation across the board. my question to tommy hilfiger is, if you're educating your staff and casting directors as to what diversity really is. to answer the question, i've had, i would say, i knock down drag out fights with casting directors - who have worked for us, - stylists who have worked for us, who have told me that this girl doesn't belong on a runway. for certain reasons, . and i have said, look, my name is on the door. you work for me, we'rei doing what i want to do. good for you. but how do we tackle the issue of diversity behind—the—scenes? so, board members.
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like, how do we make sure that's also inclusive? well, you set up rules and - basically, you enforce the rules. so with my teams, i make sure that we are equally as diverse i and inclusive behind—the—scenes i as we are in front of the lens. i now let's here from ramla again. when brands cast me, it often feels like they're basically casting me because i'm black and muslim, and i tick both boxes, so it means that quota's done, they don't really have to worry about it, and it's definitely reflected in the way that they cast hijabi models. you kind of see that the brands will cast one model for, like, the entire fashion week, or a certain sector of fashion and then they'lljust like oh, ok, we have the one, we don't really need any more because we've covered our quota. and i just wish that wasn't really how it is.
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i think it's called tokenism. and i've seen a lot of other brands where they have, i don't know, - six white models and then they put one person of colour in. _ but when i cast people of colour in my shows or on my runway, i it's because i choose theml because it's the real world. did you feel like a token in any of the campaigns you've donel in the past for others? not necessarily a token but i understood that i checked many boxes. you know, on one hand i'm a somali american, i'm a petite model, 5'5.5". you know, iam black, i'm muslim, i wear the hijab. so there's so much that makes up who i am. i think it's time that leave tokenism in the past. muslim, hijab—wearing models, they're no different than the other models on the runway or on set,
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you know, they're really no different besides an article of clothing. and so how do we make them feel comfortable, make them feel like they're part of the show, part of the campaign, in a way that's not checking, ticking a box? but you're going to go down in history as the one - who made the difference. you know, i might have been the first model but thank the lord that i'm not the last, and there's so many young muslim girls who have since entered the industry who are paving the way themselves. i've said it once and i will say it again here — don't change yourself, change the game. and if anything, i want the girls to know halima i took one for the team. i sacrificed my career so that they could feel comfortable to speak up in any setting, and so i would want them — or any model, you know, notjust muslim models, but really any woman in the industry, to feel safe and comfortable to voice her opinions, to know that she is part of the creative process. you're notjust a mannequin, you're part of the team.
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i want to know what's next for you. what are you going to do next? i am looking at other industries and other fields that don't have a strong muslim women presence, and how could i break the mould again, just like i did with fashion. like, how can i be the first, you know, in the film industry, writing a children's book about the refugee crisis. so, the future is looking really bright and i'm excited for what's to come. what do you want your legacy to be? i want people to think that tommy hilfiger the brand i cared about others. i want to be known as someone who walked the walk, _ didn't just talk the talk. my hope is that the entire industry changes. - and i know that i cannoti affect that change alone. i would like other executives . to realise the importance of it. that goes from the top of the company to the i bottom of the company. and it'sjust not-
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for the ad campaign. 0r it'sjust not for the runway. but it has to run like a river. through the entire company. i hope we can have more conversations like this where you're inviting models to have a seat at the table, where it can be more collaborative, and above all, i want it to be inclusive, i want us to care about one another and for it to be genuine, on and off the runway. and so the future of fashion, it's looking very...promising. hello.
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like yesterday, some of us are seeing blue skies and sunshine today, but for others, we've got torrential rain and thunderstorms. it's all down to this area of low pressure. it's going to be with us for much of the week ahead, and it's been generating frequent showers and thunderstorms through parts of east anglia, southeast england, central and southern england. we now have an amber warning from the met office for thunderstorms across london and the home counties through this evening. so further torrential rain, gusty winds and also hail as well. this is what's been happening over the last few hours. so you can see how these showers have been developing in a line from east anglia all the way down to the south coast. those red and yellow colours there indicating the lightning strikes. we are going to keep those going as we head through this evening. now, slowly overnight, they will start to lose some of their energy and pull away, but likely to keep going for much of the night across the far southeast of england. elsewhere, more mist and low cloud pushing in from the northeast, also some mist and low cloud across northern ireland, but elsewhere, some clearer skies, and it's another mild if not muggy night with lows
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between 11—16 celsius. for most of us tomorrow, we get off to a mainly dry start, some mist and low cloud across eastern coast and northern ireland, but also some spells of sunshine, but it won't be long before thunderstorms get going, and it's going to be somewhat hit and miss, almost anywhere could see them tomorrow, but also, some warm spells of sunshine in between. warmer than it's been over the weekend across central and southern england, with temperatures here around 25—26 celsius. but more showers gathering in the west, and that's a sign for the things to come as we head into tuesday, because this area of low pressure is still the dominant feature. also, we've got these showers pushing their way eastwards, merging to give a longer spell of rain. so it's a very messy picture on tuesday, always going to be hit and miss with these showers, but it's likely they will merge to give longer spells of rain, and where we get them, we will also see some thunder and lightning as well, so a tricky day on tuesday, frequent showers around, and temperatures not much
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higher than 17—21 celsius, much closer to average than what we saw last week. through wednesday and thursday, this area of low pressure begins to deepen. the isobars come closer together, so we will see a strengthening breeze through the middle part of the week, further frequent showers as well, but actually looking a little bit drierfor some areas towards the end of the week, but certainly cooler than it has been.
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