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welcome to hardtalk. i am stephen sacco. canada's treatment of their indigenous people over hundreds of years is a dark and spreading stain on the country's reputation. in the last few months, the unmarked graves of hundreds of indigenous children have been discovered in the grounds of residential schools which became notorious for racism, neglect and abuse. my guest is roseanne archibald, newly elected chief of canada's assembly of first nations. canada's leaders have promised truth and reconciliation for years. when will they mean it?

roseanne archibald, in the nation territory in canada, welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen. _ welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen. how— welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen, how are _ welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen, how are you? - welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen, how are you? i- welcome to hardtalk. hello, stephen, how are you? i am| stephen, how are you? i am well. i stephen, how are you? i am well- i am — stephen, how are you? i am well. i am also _ stephen, how are you? i am well. i am also shocked, - stephen, how are you? i am well. i am also shocked, to| stephen, how are you? i am l well. i am also shocked, to be honest over recent weeks and months i have been shocked to learn of this scalloped discovery of unmarked graves of children around a number of residential schools on canadian territory. the numbers go from the hundreds, even beyond the thousand of new, unmarked graves. argue as shocked as people outside your community and outside of canada? ==

and outside of canada? -- arc ue. and outside of canada? -- argue- the _ and outside of canada? » argue. the number is over 1600 now and we do not call them discoveries because, 1st nations people have always known about these unmarked graves. these are the recovery of our little children, it is a recovery process and certainly from our view, these are crime scenes. this ground penetrating radar that has been used is revealing evidence and hard proof that crimes are being committed against first nations people. these institutions, they were not schools and everybody call them schools but they were institutions of assimilation and genocide. and, now we are beginning to see the truth of what these institutions did to our people. explain that to me if you can because as you say, the outside

world and indeed the canadian government has referred to them over the last 1.5 centuries as schools. you havejust use over the last 1.5 centuries as schools. you have just use that word genocide, one of the most horrifying words in the language. explain to me why, in your view, these should not be called school and what exactly happened in them? the survivors that i've heard _ happened in them? the survivors that i've heard speak, _ happened in them? the survivors that i've heard speak, talk - that i've heard speak, talk about the horrors of these places, that they were abused, that they were sexually abused, that they were sexually abused, that they were forbidden from speaking their language, they were forbidden for having any ceremonies, traditional processes, so these were very clearly institutions of assimilation and genocide... . typically, roseanne, sorry to interrupt but this was very important, but they were not deliberately exterminating first nations children over the

course of 1.5 centuries, where they? these were not designed to kill? it they? these were not designed to kill? ., , they? these were not designed to kill? . , , ., to kill? it was designed to kill, and _ to kill? it was designed to kill, and we _ to kill? it was designed to kill, and we think - to kill? it was designed to kill, and we think proof i to kill? it was designed to kill, and we think proof ofj kill, and we think proof of that. 1600 little children, little ones, innocent children, have been recovered so far. by the time this process is done, we are only talking about eight of these institutions so far. there were 139 recognised institutions across canada. there were a total of 1300 institutions in total, so we are going to be into the thousands upon ten thousands of children found. i'm not sure how you can say that is not intentional and that the recovery of so many little children does not signify what it is, which is genocide. the un college genocide. we call it genocide. un college genocide. we call it uenocide. ,

genocide. typically, the parents _ genocide. typically, the parents of _ genocide. typically, the parents of the - genocide. typically, the parents of the little - genocide. typically, the| parents of the little ones genocide. typically, the - parents of the little ones who were put in these institutions, they had no say or choice in they had no say or choice in the matter. these were children forcibly removed from their families?— forcibly removed from their families? . , ., , families? that is right. it was often the _ families? that is right. it was often the rcmp _ families? that is right. it was often the rcmp or— families? that is right. it was often the rcmp or the - families? that is right. it was often the rcmp or the indian | often the rcmp or the indian agent who would go into those communities and threaten parents with jail time and other threats to ensure that these children were forcibly removed and taken to these institutions.— removed and taken to these institutions. should all of the burial grounds, _ institutions. should all of the burial grounds, you - institutions. should all of the burial grounds, you say - institutions. should all of the burial grounds, you say this i institutions. should all of the | burial grounds, you say this is no surprise to you and it is not discovery, it is recovery of bodies, missing young ones be known about in your communities for many years, but should every single body be exempt and forensically analysed, in your view, because analysed, in yourview, because i know that some first nations people have said they need to know whether bodies are but it

does not, frankly, no real good to bring all of these bodies up. we should give them the respect of marking where they lie and remembering them, but not necessarily digging everybody up. not necessarily digging everybody unm- not necessarily digging everybody up. there are survivors _ everybody up. there are survivors who _ everybody up. there are survivors who are - everybody up. there are survivors who are being | survivors who are being traumatised and re— traumatised by what is happening. there are at least 3— 4 healing lots across canada right now, led by survivors, who had been triggered by grief and want to do something about it. i've had i do something about it. i've had 1 survivors they so far that those bodies need to say where they. at the same time, these are crime scenes. that is the bottom line. you do not bury a body in an unmarked grave. that is considered a crime in canada and these crimes have to be

investigated. in fact, and these crimes have to be investigated. infact, i brought this up to investigated. in fact, i brought this up to the investigated. infact, i brought this up to the prime minister when i talk to him briefly. i brought it up to the attorney—general in canada, that we need an independent raconteur and we are calling for that across canada and we are making headway on that. i know that people are very sensitive to the situation around these little children. i mean, these children were laughed. these children were cared for and the idea of examining i think can re— traumatised some survivors —— examinations. i traumatised some survivors -- examinations.— examinations. i know you are referring _ examinations. i know you are referring to — examinations. i know you are referring to 1 _ examinations. i know you are referring to 1 survivor - examinations. i know you are referring to 1 survivor kamil, | referring to 1 survivor kamil, and you are holding a very important position in representing the 1st nation assembly. and she said what good are all of these analyses and what will they do for us,

as an individual, for me, it is good to tell me that these children were murdered but does that really make me feel better? i do not think so and i think the remains should be left undisturbed. what is your message to her?— left undisturbed. what is your message to her? well, i'm not iioin to message to her? well, i'm not going to give _ message to her? well, i'm not going to give her _ message to her? well, i'm not going to give her a _ message to her? well, i'm not going to give her a message i going to give her a message through bbc, 1st of all, but i do want to say that these are crime scenes and crimes have to be investigated and the purpose of investigating a crime is to bring justice to the victims. that is an important part of this journey. that is an important part of thisjourney. the that is an important part of this journey. the other important part of this is reparations for first nations communities. as you know, there have been individual settlements with survivors but you can see how deep this trimarans in our communities. there is intergenerational trauma resulting from these

institutions of assimilation and genocide and the canadian government, the catholic church, and all churches involved, have to be part of those reparations. that has to be justice for our people. it is not enough to say we have recovered these bodies. that is not the end of the road. justice must be served. crime scenes and — justice must be served. crime scenes and justice, _ justice must be served. crime scenes and justice, these - justice must be served. crime scenes and justice, these are | scenes and justice, these are words that also of course imply criminals and criminality and then an individual accounting. are you expecting that there will be people identified brought to justice and punished for what happened because we're not talking about something in the distant past. yes, this goes back well over a century but these institutions as you put it were operating still just decades ago. there are still many people alive he worked in them. do you want some of them, if not all of them, to be brought before a

court? ., them, to be brought before a court? . ., them, to be brought before a court? . ., ., court? yeah, we are looking at actually bringing _ court? yeah, we are looking at actually bringing this _ court? yeah, we are looking at actually bringing this forward l actually bringing this forward to the international criminal court, that is part of the resolution, 1 of the resolutions passed by the chiefs across canada. it is about individualjustice. these about individual justice. these people about individualjustice. these people who do perpetrate crimes. it is also about the canadian government and those colonial policies that led to this genocide. it is also about the religious institutions that participated in the genocide. anybody who has connected to this must be brought to justice and it's notjust about individualjustice. it is about the institutions that created this farm and its destruction of first nations people and indigenous people in canada. cheap bobby cameron, another leading voice in the first

nations political world who demanded full accounting an apology from the head of the catholic church, mr cameron himself is a catholic. he said if i do not get that, i will renounce my catholicism, my catholic church religion and is talking about an apology from the pope. do you think that is important and too many first nations people feel like bobby cameron? ., , ., , nations people feel like bobby cameron? .,, .,, ., cameron? the pope has to come to canada- _ cameron? the pope has to come to canada. that _ cameron? the pope has to come to canada. that is _ cameron? the pope has to come to canada. that is 1 _ cameron? the pope has to come to canada. that is 1 of _ cameron? the pope has to come to canada. that is 1 of the - to canada. that is 1 of the calls of the trc, the truth and reconciliation commission. he has to come to canada to offer that apology. i know they are planning a trip to the vatican some time in december and i will not go to the vatican because i believe that the pope must come to this country and apologise on the soil of the people that have been harmed, that have been killed and subjected genocide and that is churches been a part of. in

terms of the people renouncing their religion, those are things that each individual has to decide on where they are going to go, if regional chief bobby cameron is taking that route, and that is certainly his individual choice to do that. , ., ~ his individual choice to do that. , . ~' . that. us talk about the canadian _ that. us talk about the canadian government. | that. us talk about the - canadian government. justin trudeau, the prime minister of canada, came to power, saying that he was going to commit to a new relationship with the first nations peoples of canada. he would work in partnership, he would treat you with respect deserving of nations. has he delivered? in some ways, the federal government has created additionalfunding. i would say they have worked on certain file and made some progress where we were far behind,

particularly around clean drinking water and now looking for increased infrastructure funding and there has been some progress made with this government and certainly far more progress than the previous government, so i acknowledge that that prime minister trudeau and his cabinet. do we have a long way to go? absolutely. we are at the beginning of thisjourney absolutely. we are at the beginning of this journey and what is important about reconciliation is what many have said, there must be truth before reconciliation. people in canada and around the world need to know what has happened to first nations and indigenous people here and we are asking the world now through this program to stand with us to support us and to hear us and be part of the solution and to call on their own governments and the canadian government, particularly the uk, which has

the strong relationship through the strong relationship through the crown to canada, you know, we really need people to stand with us at this time.— with us at this time. justin trudeau — with us at this time. justin trudeau said _ with us at this time. justin trudeau said as _ with us at this time. justin trudeau said as more - with us at this time. justin trudeau said as more and | with us at this time. justin - trudeau said as more and more was learnt about the discovery of these burial grounds of young children, he said the hurt and trauma that you as first nations people feel, is canada's responsibility today and he said that canadians, all canadians are horrified and ashamed of our country behaviour. think that is true? do you think has a hole canadians are horrified and ashamed? i wouldn't use those words. they are definitely shocked at what they are discovering for the first time. i really feel that our allies across canada are standing with us in austria very strong way for the first time in many, many, many

decades. this is really an important time to stand shoulder to shoulder to address these issues. it is not enough to just feel the feelings. we must transfer all this grief, these emotions into action, and a big part of that action is reparations to make to communities and peoples. first nations. people are now beginning to see that that is the truth. and so we need to stand together for certain and make sure that action is taken. it isn't enough to say that is a terrible thing that happened. what every canadian and citizen of the world needs to say is, what can i do about this is two how can i affect this in a positive way? and i believe

that we are on that part now. when you use the word reparations i think i financial compensation, but surely there are other structural issues that need addressing as well. i am thinking about everything from the terrible economic figures that suggest deep inequality and canada where these peoples are much less likely to have a job, less likely to have a job, less likely to have a job, less likely to have a decent standard of living. you mentioned drinking water. much less likely to have decent public services. they are also frankly, more likely to experience racist policing. all figures suggest that too. all of these different structural and systemic ways — surely echoes more than finance? absolutely, reparations includes a lot of processes and you have had on the key ones, which is colonialism and the negative detrimental impact

colonialism has had on our people, particularly colonial policies. and a big colonial policies was to take first nations from all the land that we have inhabited from time and memorial and to place them on these tiny postage stamps of land and telling us that we don't have any rights outside of that, and so that is part of reparations — to give land back to ensure that they are benefiting from the resources around them, from the development around them. it is one form. decolonising the processes, dealing with things like overt racism, hatred, systemic racism, that is part of reparations because that is what underlies the issues that we have seen for many years and canada — is that first nations have been viewed, because these

people have not been... our true history and herstory hasn't been taught. we are human beings like everyone else, we deserved to be treated with dignity and respect, that we are worthy, and that is systemic racism. i we are worthy, and that is systemic racism.— we are worthy, and that is systemic racism. i wonder how ou can systemic racism. i wonder how you can have — systemic racism. i wonder how you can have a _ systemic racism. i wonder how you can have a real— systemic racism. i wonder how you can have a real political. you can have a real political impact in mainstream canada. for one example, you have told your people that one of your key priorities will be tackling the inequality of impact of climate change where your argument is that first nations people are much more impacted by climate change over anyone else and canada, and the rest of the world because of the impact on food supply and at the northern region, on the way it is impacting coastal communities and so on. given

you speakfor communities and so on. given you speak for roughly 5% of the canadian population, how is your message on climate change going to translate into changing anything and canada's national politics? the important _ national politics? the important part - national politics? the important part of- national politics? the important part of out| national politics? the i important part of out my national politics? iie: important part of out my work is that we find allies standing with us. this government is run by non—indigenous people, this is a government elected predominantly by non—indigenous people. i want to work with allies to make sure that these changes happen, the positive changes, and our positive vision for the future comes true. ourvision vision for the future comes true. our vision for the future and our desires and wants are the same as other canadians. we want our children to be happy, healthy, living in safe and

vibrant communities. this is a mutual goal that we have in canada, and so for me, as national chief, it is but working with allies to make sure this government actually takes the action and listens to its own non—indigenous citizens. in terms of changing the narrative and changing the structure so that first nations are treated with dignity and respect. i think that is a very basic thing. i think that is a very basic thin. ., , i think that is a very basic thin _ ., , ., i think that is a very basic thing. that is a message about dialoiue, thing. that is a message about dialogue, partnerships - thing. that is a message about dialogue, partnerships and i dialogue, partnerships and politics, but we have also seen other things happening in recent months and weeks, more than a dozen churches burned by arson attack. we have seen some very well—known statues and canada, including one of queen victoria that have been vandalised. it is thought, although police can't confirm it for sure, that some of these actions are taken by furious people who do not believe the government is listening to your message about respecting first nations rights. what do you say

to those people who are now taking direct action? i understand them. first of all, i understand that kind of rage and that kind of hurt that is multigenerational. it is intergenerational trauma. is multigenerational. it is intergenerationaltrauma. i believe that we need to do more than just destroy the symbols of colonialism. that is what these are. these statues are symbols of colonialism. they are symbols of a history that have left first nations out of the narrative. and so, to me, we have to go beyond that. it is about changing these systems. that is where my work begins. it begins with our allies. it begins with every government in canada to make sure that the trc calls for the action, the nine trc calls for action, the nine trc calls for action are actually implemented and brought forth, because right now only ten of those 94

have been actually implemented fully, and when we see these 94 calls to action implemented we will transform the society. we will transform the society. we will see the truth taught in schools. we will see the next generation understand who first nations really are in this country, but this is our land, we were placed here by the creator, we have god—given rights, we have rights, we have inherit treaty rights. what you say to the canadians that feel and see the anger that feel and see the anger that come from you so many others in the first nations, wondering where this leaves the very idea of canada. the conservative political leader said that he is concerned and justices and our past are too often seized upon by a group of activists voices who use it to attack the very idea of canada itself. what do you say to him?

the idea of canada is built upon lies. that is what is important about this process — is that for many years the canadian government knew about residential schools. they knew about the deaths that were happening. they did not inform their own citizens. the idea canada must be deconstructed and rebuilt in a way that is inclusive and inclusive of first nations, and our stories, and the fact that we are truly the founding nations of this country. and we have to go to that dignity and respect that we deserve so that we can live in peace, that we can have access to prosperity that our children can be safe. that is the path forward. it is a path where justice actually rains

and that small groups are not oppressed or suppressed, which has been the case in canada. i thank you very much for joining me on hardtalk. thank you. thank you very much. hello. the weather midweek isn't looking too bad at all for most of us. wednesday is going to bring lengthy sunny spells, skies will probably look a little bit like this. but we're expecting heavy showers, too. let's have a look at the big picture first, and here's the jet stream. everywhere south of that is warm. everywhere north of that is generally cool

and quiet showery. and you can see a large chunk of the continent experiencing this relatively cool and showery summertime weather. so, at the moment, it's quiet on the weatherfront. clearfirst thing in the morning with lots of sunshine. temperatures around ten in glasgow, 13 in liverpool, 12 in london. notice a bit more cloud in the morning here out towards the north west, and actually it will be quite cloudy through the day. in the western isles and northern ireland, showers here. but showers also breaking out across parts of the highlands, the pennines and a few scattered around the midlands and the south, too. but coastal areas probably staying dry and sunny all through the course of the afternoon. winds'll be light. it'll feel warm enough, too, 22 degrees quite widely. even on the north sea coast, in excess of 20 celsius. you'll notice that some of these showers, some heavy and maybe thundery ones, will last through the afternoon and into the evening hours as well on wednesday. now, here's the weather map for thursday. this current of wind,

that's the jet stream pushing a low pressure towards us for the end of the week, so that means the weather is turning u nsettled. and here's thursday. out towards the west comes the low pressure. you can see the increasing winds, up to near gale—force around some coasts. outbreaks of rain, too. for a time at least, eastern parts of the country shouldn't be too bad at all on thursday. i think that rain and wind will probably reach you later in the day, and temperatures hence getting up to around 22 in the afternoon in hull. but the low pressure is slap bang over us on friday, and it'll be a slow—mover. so, that means all the heavy showers that'll be churning away, they'll be sitting on top of us for quite some time. i think on friday particularly heavy. the met office is highlighting across scotland, northern ireland and the north of england heavy and thundery and prolonged. in the south, there'll be showers too. and remember, very breezy weather as well, so brollies at the ready.

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