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the headlines... police and protesters have clashed in the lebanese capital beirut on the anniversary of a deadly explosion that destroyed parts of the city. demonstrators are angry no one has been held accountable for the blast. meanwhile a short distance away — a minute's silence has been held to remember the victims of the explosion. over 200 people were killed — it's been described as one of the biggest non—nuclear explosions in history. in the uk, all 16 and 17—year—olds — will be offered a pfizer covid vaccine in the coming weeks. around one and a half million teenagers could be included in the plan. the olympic athlete from belarus — who refused her team's orders to fly home from the games — has landed in warsaw after departing from vienna. she's been granted a humanitarian visa.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are olivia utley, assistant comment editor at the telegraph and rob merrick, deputy political editor of the independent. the metro leads with the announcement that all 16 and 17—year—olds in the uk are to be offered first doses of the covid vaccine before they go back to school. the financial times reports on a warning from the the world health organization, who say booster shots in richer nations should be delayed until poorer countries receive more vaccines. the i writes that there will be changes to the traffic light system forforeign holidays, with quarantine rules to be eased for fully vaccinated travellers. the daily telegraph adds that seven countries will be added
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to the green list destinations — while india and the united arab emirates will be removed from the red list. the guardian writes about whether the government is being complacent about the spread of the beta variant. the times are parts that germany, norway, latvia willall move on to the green list. now, let's see how up to speed olivia and rob are on this list and the announcement that has just come in and the last half hour or so on the travel list. that evening to both of you. love a too happy with us again. shall we kick off with vi. olivia, do you want to start us off. traffic light changes open up holidays, as ever, the devil is in the detail. holidays, as ever, the devil is in the detail-— the detail. the devil is very much in the detail. _ the detail. the devil is very much in the detail. you _ the detail. the devil is very much in the detail. you don't _ the detail. the devil is very much in the detail. you don't have - the detail. the devil is very much in the detail. you don't have to i in the detail. you don't have to quarantine if you are double jabbed when you come back from france,
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which is a big take, and we've got the seven countries including germany, slovenia added to the green list, which is good. we have seen the complete removal of the ember plus list which was clearly slightly ridiculous. so that is good too. but there are some good quotes about how quite a lot of people in the aviation industry obviously and plenty of mps on various tribal committees are very, very worried about the effect that these bands are having on tourism. i don't think that these new relaxing of restrictions goes far enough. they thought that more countries were going to be added to the green list, and we still have the problem of these very expensive pcr tests that you are supposed to do when you come back from an ember list country which makes travel abroad to scale out of the question for quite a lot of ordinary bricks. you out of the question for quite a lot of ordinary bricks.— of ordinary bricks. you only have to have a coume _ of ordinary bricks. you only have to have a couple of— of ordinary bricks. you only have to have a couple of kids, _ of ordinary bricks. you only have to have a couple of kids, don't - of ordinary bricks. you only have to have a couple of kids, don't you - have a couple of kids, don't you come and it becomes astronomically expensive if you are on a limited budget and you've been saving up a
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lot of money as it is to go on holiday. rob, mentioning those little cracks that olivia was talking about, there is this odd thing in the news release tonight saying that arrivals from spain and all its islands are advised to use a pcr test as they predeparture test wherever possible, as a precaution against bringing in variants to the uk. but it's on the advisory and presumably if people know they haven't got a hotel room tomorrow night and that will make them reluctant to take a risk of something like that. yes, we are t in: to something like that. yes, we are trying to get _ something like that. yes, we are trying to get our— something like that. yes, we are trying to get our head _ something like that. yes, we are trying to get our head around - something like that. yes, we are | trying to get our head around the detail_ trying to get our head around the detail tonight. that seems to be the most _ detail tonight. that seems to be the most extraordinary thing, if there is a risk_ most extraordinary thing, if there is a risk of— most extraordinary thing, if there is a risk of the beta variant coming back_ is a risk of the beta variant coming back from — is a risk of the beta variant coming back from spain, a risk that requires _ back from spain, a risk that requires people to take a pcr lab test, _ requires people to take a pcr lab test. a _ requires people to take a pcr lab test, a higher standard test, why are they— test, a higher standard test, why are they not being told that they must _ are they not being told that they must take a? as you say, to make it advisory— must take a? as you say, to make it advisoryiust— must take a? as you say, to make it advisoryjust seems completely advisory just seems completely nonsensical. advisoryjust seems completely nonsensical. we have seen this over and over. _ nonsensical. we have seen this over and over, happen we? the government refusing _ and over, happen we? the government refusing to _ and over, happen we? the government refusing to take the difficult decisions that surely it's elected to take — decisions that surely it's elected to take whether it's meeting the vaccine — to take whether it's meeting the vaccine passport to go to a
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nightclub, opening night clubs in the nightclub, opening nightclubs in the first— nightclub, opening night clubs in the first place, i suppose they took that decision and tried to grow back from it _ that decision and tried to grow back from it. mass grading is another one, _ from it. mass grading is another one. of— from it. mass grading is another one, of course. so the advisory thing _ one, of course. so the advisory thing seems to make no sense. i think— thing seems to make no sense. i think there — thing seems to make no sense. i think there are real disagreements tonight— think there are real disagreements tonight aboutjust how think there are real disagreements tonight about just how much of a step forward this is. i see that the telegraph is obviously quite upbeat and its _ telegraph is obviously quite upbeat and its front page. many people will think that _ and its front page. many people will think that these are holidays back on, think that these are holidays back on. but _ think that these are holidays back on, but the independent is quoting that most— on, but the independent is quoting that most people have simply written off a holiday in france. it's too late _ off a holiday in france. it's too late we — off a holiday in france. it's too late. we are into august. other plans— late. we are into august. other plans have _ late. we are into august. other plans have been made. you can't make those _ plans have been made. you can't make those plans— plans have been made. you can't make those plans yet. it simply too late. the government does have these restrictions in place for france for 'ust restrictions in place for france for just a _ restrictions in place for france for just a couple of weeks which makes no sense _ just a couple of weeks which makes no sense i— just a couple of weeks which makes no sense. ., . i. just a couple of weeks which makes no sense. ., . ,, . just a couple of weeks which makes no sense. ., . i. ., ., no sense. i notice your lead on thursday _ no sense. i notice your lead on thursday morning _ no sense. i notice your lead on thursday morning is _ no sense. i notice your lead on thursday morning is a - no sense. i notice your lead on| thursday morning is a blueprint responding to a corona parasite brick —— coronavirus outbreak in 2005 that was lost in whitehall and never acted upon. holidays arejust
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a pause from the bigger problem, the bigger story. a pause from the bigger problem, the biggerstory. it a pause from the bigger problem, the bigger story. it is well—timed, this announcement catch all of the front page of some of the late evening use commitments registry everybody is talking about, i suppose this time of year, it's fair enough. people need that information. some of the options are summer opening up even if others are disappearing. it’s if others are disappearing. it's sure to be _ if others are disappearing. it's sure to be good news for some people. — sure to be good news for some people, they will presumably now go to france _ people, they will presumably now go to france who weren't, but i guess that's— to france who weren't, but i guess that's the — to france who weren't, but i guess that's the issue, it is simply too late. _ that's the issue, it is simply too late. the — that's the issue, it is simply too late, the weeks that have been lost because _ late, the weeks that have been lost because of france bizarrely being on this tougher last, where was amber but it— this tougher last, where was amber but it wasn't ember, you have to quarantine — but it wasn't ember, you have to quarantine when you came back because — quarantine when you came back because of the apparent spread of the beta _ because of the apparent spread of the beta variant, then we discovered that was— the beta variant, then we discovered that was only the entrenched territories thousands of miles away and not _ territories thousands of miles away and not in — territories thousands of miles away and not in france itself. it seems to me _ and not in france itself. it seems to me those two or three weeks about her confusion over france have presumably made it too late for many
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people _ presumably made it too late for many people to _ presumably made it too late for many people to go on holiday to that country. — people to go on holiday to that country, which is the most popular destination — country, which is the most popular destination for britons. we are into august— destination for britons. we are into august already. destination for britons. we are into august already-— destination for britons. we are into august already. olivia, we mentioned the --aer, august already. olivia, we mentioned the paper, holidays— august already. olivia, we mentioned the paper, holidays to _ august already. olivia, we mentioned the paper, holidays to france - august already. olivia, we mentioned the paper, holidays to france back- the paper, holidays to france back on, this was a peculiar one, i was talking to a traveljournalist who was saying on your questions answered, she said, look, if you flew from france, you went there and then flew back not to paris but to another european city, say brussels or amsterdam or indeed london, or suddenly amsterdam can eat that then come into the uk because you were coming from another country that was ok and you didn't need this kind of restriction. so i needed all got very complicated. i suppose in the end common sense did prevail. it did you think that people are going to go rushing to france? or is it too late? ., ., ., ., ,
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late? the headline on that telegraph is re late? the headline on that telegraph is pretty positive. — late? the headline on that telegraph is pretty positive, but _ late? the headline on that telegraph is pretty positive, but further - late? the headline on that telegraph is pretty positive, but further on - is pretty positive, but further on in the piste, there is quite a few quotes from quite a few people in the industry who are very worried and from ordinary families who are very worried. and i think what he saysis very worried. and i think what he says is completely right, for many families, it's too late, and what it is is we have got this travel divide emerging that going abroad has become the preserve of the very rich, and one way that that is manifesting itself as if you have got plenty of money, then picking a holiday in france and rearranging at the last minute when the government doesn't allow you to go it's probably ok. if this is something you have been saving for a year, then you have been panicking about it for ages and you will have cancelled that a long time ago because you don't feel that blase about money. so you have got that you have, also got the incredibly expensive restriction of pcr tests that on the rich families can do. it does seem to be that the confusion is i'm sure it's an unintended consequence, but the consequence of making travel the
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ranch. it consequence of making travel the ranch. . . consequence of making travel the ranch. , ., ., ., consequence of making travel the ranch. , ., .,~ ranch. it is a good point. take assigned _ ranch. it is a good point. take assigned to — ranch. it is a good point. take assigned to the _ ranch. it is a good point. take assigned to the metro, - ranch. it is a good point. take assigned to the metro, if- ranch. it is a good point. take assigned to the metro, if you | ranch. it is a good point. take - assigned to the metro, if you would, olivia. a great headline on the metro. i olivia. a great headline on the metro. .., �* . olivia. a great headline on the metro. �* , ~ ., olivia. a great headline on the metro. , ~ ., . metro. i can't see the metro. white necked don't _ metro. i can't see the metro. white necked don't break _ metro. i can't see the metro. white necked don't break and _ metro. i can't see the metro. white necked don't break and i _ metro. i can't see the metro. white necked don't break and i will - metro. i can't see the metro. white necked don't break and i will read l necked don't break and i will read the headline. it is vaccine to school. a picture ofjonathan van tam after his announcement today that school children, well, the 16 and i7—year—olds, but then potentially 12—15 —year—olds later will be getting jabbed, a couple of jabs in the next few months. yeah, and this decision _ jabs in the next few months. yeah, and this decision has _ jabs in the next few months. yeah, and this decision has obviously - and this decision has obviously caused quite a lot of controversy. on the one hand, thejcbi is catching up with countries around the world who have already planned to do that and have gone further and extended the vaccination programme to 12 to i7—year—olds. britain has hung back because it is clearly quite a delicate balance when children aren't really at very much risk from the disease at all, and there is obviously a tiny risk posed
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ijy there is obviously a tiny risk posed by the vaccine to me you have got to weigh at whether it's worth it for the children and the ethical question of is that is ok if we are just vaccinating children for the sake of protecting their elders. is that the right thing to be doing? in the decision they have come to a 16 and i7—year—olds. in my mind that make sense. i know a lot of people with epidemiologic lay there is little difference between 15 and 17—year—old or whatever, but to me the difference is about choice and a 16 and 17—year—old are quite allowed to make a lot of their own decisions, they are not children by law, so i think it does make sense, but i think the conversation will restart. another government is already thinking and talking about extending it down where to 12—15 —year—olds, and i think that will cause a lot more questions if they do decide to do that. i think at this stage, once it's been done in the states, various american states and in canada and france, vaccinating older teenagers, i think it's probably the right thing to do and i think the government will get
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away with it. again, teenagers don't have to take the vaccine. there is still that of choice for them and their parents and i think of school roll—out probably makes sense. a clever headline of the ones we have seen so far for tomorrow morning. have seen so far for tomorrow morning-— have seen so far for tomorrow mornin. , ., ., ., , morning. yes, again commit means -- i mean, it morning. yes, again commit means -- i mean. it makes— morning. yes, again commit means -- i mean, it makes sense. _ morning. yes, again commit means -- i mean, it makes sense. whether - morning. yes, again commit means -- i mean, it makes sense. whether it's l i mean, it makes sense. whether it's a good _ i mean, it makes sense. whether it's a good idea _ i mean, it makes sense. whether it's a good idea to vaccinate 16 euros, i would _ a good idea to vaccinate 16 euros, i would say— a good idea to vaccinate 16 euros, i would say is — a good idea to vaccinate 16 euros, i would say is unanchored the head of the vaccination committee today, you could _ the vaccination committee today, you could not— the vaccination committee today, you could not help but feel that even though— could not help but feel that even though they would say it's not the case. _ though they would say it's not the case. that— though they would say it's not the case, that the public pressure or political— case, that the public pressure or political pressure on the committee has made _ political pressure on the committee has made a — political pressure on the committee has made a difference here because it's only— has made a difference here because it's only a _ has made a difference here because it's only a few weeks ago that the same _ it's only a few weeks ago that the same committee came out against vaccinating 16 and 17—year—olds, and i of vaccinating 16 and 17—year—olds, and i of that— vaccinating 16 and 17—year—olds, and i of that committee today still seem to be uncertain about whether the second _ to be uncertain about whether the second jah— to be uncertain about whether the second jab still carried, albeit a very— second jab still carried, albeit a very small— second jab still carried, albeit a very small risk, but whether that small— very small risk, but whether that small risk— very small risk, but whether that small risk is still an acceptable risk when _ small risk is still an acceptable risk when it came to made teenagers who are _ risk when it came to made teenagers who are at _ risk when it came to made teenagers who are at very little risk from
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coal _ who are at very little risk from coal bed. _ who are at very little risk from coal bed, so they were pressing ahead _ coal bed, so they were pressing ahead with the first jab. they hadn't — ahead with the first jab. they hadn't decided how quickly the second — hadn't decided how quickly the second one would be administered. the small— second one would be administered. the small house —— health risk was still in _ the small house —— health risk was still in thethe small house —— health risk was still in the background. it all seemed _ still in the background. it all seemed very confusing that this shift is — seemed very confusing that this shift is being made after that committee came out against it. take us rather neatly _ committee came out against it. take us rather neatly to _ committee came out against it. take us rather neatly to the _ committee came out against it. take us rather neatly to the ft _ committee came out against it. tag as: us rather neatly to the ft and the remarks from the director general of the world health organization. in a sense, they link and very much at this decision to vaccinate young people. oh yes, there is a much bigger decision coming quickly down the line, isn't there? some of our jabs will be used to vaccinate young children who are very little risk. that's of some controversy, but within six weeks, we are going to be launching a booster vaccine campaign because the delta variant is so much more really it's deemed necessary,
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but those are vaccines that will not go to developing countries who are desperate for them and what the world health organization a thing called fire on these boosterjabs which are our uncertain value, i suppose, and the 2% or something and people in sub—saharan africa have been vaccinated. i was at the g7 summit whenjohnson been vaccinated. i was at the g7 summit when johnson went been vaccinated. i was at the g7 summit whenjohnson went into the summit whenjohnson went into the summit with a plan to vaccinate "the entire world." they came out with a plan that fell short of even a billion vaccines, over 11 billion are needed, and the world health organization is having another go at this issue the next thing to the rich countries hold fire, give out these vaccines. that g7 pledges are just words, aren't they? there is no mechanism for impressing them, but it does look more and more threadbare as the weeks and months passed since in terms of what it actually meant in terms of the
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international impact. the interesting thing here i suppose as we can offer booster is because we bought so many vaccines, we ordered so any more than we needed, they haven't all been delivered, but it is a luxury of the nations, really, isn't that?— isn't that? absolutely. and of course, isn't that? absolutely. and of course. saying _ isn't that? absolutely. and of course, saying it's _ isn't that? absolutely. and of course, saying it's often - isn't that? absolutely. and of course, saying it's often usedi isn't that? absolutely. and of i course, saying it's often used as nobody — course, saying it's often used as nobody is — course, saying it's often used as nobody is safe until the whole world is safe _ nobody is safe until the whole world is safe and — nobody is safe until the whole world is safe and this pandemic, so why are we _ is safe and this pandemic, so why are we not— is safe and this pandemic, so why are we not making the world safe instead _ are we not making the world safe instead of— are we not making the world safe instead of giving ourselves more and more _ instead of giving ourselves more and more vaccines? that would be the criticism _ more vaccines? that would be the criticism this decision and the move that's— criticism this decision and the move that's coming soon.— that's coming soon. olivia, what do ou make that's coming soon. olivia, what do you make of _ that's coming soon. olivia, what do you make of this _ that's coming soon. olivia, what do you make of this story? _ that's coming soon. olivia, what do you make of this story? i _ that's coming soon. olivia, what do | you make of this story? i completely auree you make of this story? i completely a . ree with you make of this story? i completely agree with everything _ you make of this story? i completely agree with everything you _ you make of this story? i completely agree with everything you say - you make of this story? i completely agree with everything you say about| agree with everything you say about that g7 pledges, it seems to be very, very far off. i think it's a reasonable request from the who. yeah, it always is that we are not safe until everyone is safe, and then countries kind of want to close their partners and keep themselves
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to themselves. you know, personally, i think it makes far more sense to be giving awayjabs that have... well, we don't quite know what benefit they have. it made a pretty safe rather than making particular rich countries very safe. i think essentially it's picking up on that point about us having doctor vaccine because we invested so many. i think it's because he watched that found contagion. he it's because he watched that found contauion. . . it's because he watched that found contauion. .,, , , it's because he watched that found contauion. .. , , ., it's because he watched that found contauion. .. . , ., ., contagion. he has plenty of time to watch more — contagion. he has plenty of time to watch more pounds _ contagion. he has plenty of time to watch more pounds at _ contagion. he has plenty of time to watch more pounds at the - contagion. he has plenty of time to| watch more pounds at the moment. if you want to correct that the vet snatcher, we are always happy hear from you. back to the front of the metro. i mean, this is the other story of the day, isn't it? the photographs of sky on a high, what can you say? brands at 13. yes. photographs of sky on a high, what can you say? brands at 13. yes, what a sto . can you say? brands at 13. yes, what a story- the — can you say? brands at 13. yes, what a story. the everyone _ can you say? brands at 13. yes, what a story. the everyone is _ a story. the everyone is talking about —
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a story. the everyone is talking about i— a story. the everyone is talking about. i was on the aware today

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