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in 2001, i did two military tours, and after the army i returned to live there for another two years. yeah, you really do have to ask, what on earth have we achieved? i don't agree with the prime minister'scomments the other day. if we do not now do what we can to alleviate the humanitarian cost, then, you know, i really do struggle to question the sacrifices that were made and whether they were of any value whatsoever. it is notjust our sacrifices, it's amongst the international military community or cause, and the afghan people in particular who have borne the heaviest cost in this. here isa here is a man talking about his concerns— here is a man talking about his concerns only agut i think we have been _ concerns only agut i think we have been quite — concerns only agut i think we have
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been quite vocal about the humanitarian, humanitarian concern. you have _ humanitarian, humanitarian concern. you have heard about the 160,000 people that have been pushed because of the conflict. we have also reported on the number of children killed since the beginning of the year. that number is unacceptable, standing at more than 500. at the same time, we have been having discussion and meetings with the taliban leadership in the various town that are now under control and is the latest engagement that we had with them was actually this morning, where we discussed how humanitarian, especially unicef in this case, will be able to resume their activity and those activities are really life—saving at this stage. fix, those activities are really life-saving at this stage. a short while auo life-saving at this stage. a short while ago i _ life-saving at this stage. a short while ago i spoke _ life-saving at this stage. a short while ago i spoke to _ life-saving at this stage. a short while ago i spoke to the - life-saving at this stage. a short while ago i spoke to the afghan | while ago i spoke to the afghan journalist. i while ago i spoke to the afghan “ournalist. ~' ., ., . journalist. i feel like the attacks
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auainst journalist. i feel like the attacks against campbell— journalist. i feel like the attacks against campbell are _ journalist. i feel like the attacks against campbell are really - journalist. i feel like the attacks against campbell are really the | against campbell are really the reality of life here. what we have seen a statement indicating that they have instructed their fighters not to get into the city of kabul and stop the case, gates of the city. there are reports that have been breached but the taliban are saying that the security of kabul are the responsibility of the afghan government. it looks to me like what was happening in the background between the president and the americans and others have been about some sort of a deal, which sees in afghanistan where the president either resigns or a new government thatis either resigns or a new government that is a transitional government comes into play. this is a game as i said of millions of people. the city
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that went through several wars over the taliban times as many deadly attacks over the years. it will not be easy to ensure that the residents who have been left chaos, who have left to uncertainty, left of the possibility of a bloodshed and killings, and as we heard, foreign and western diplomats have left to and western diplomats have left to an undisclosed locations. the afghans don't have that luxury. the people here were promised a comprehensive and prominent ceasefire and none of those things happened. if afghanistan is able now to get into a peaceful transition, that would be historic. i’m to get into a peaceful transition, that would be historic. i'm “oined now by the — that would be historic. i'm “oined now by the conservative h that would be historic. i'mjoined now by the conservative mp, - that would be historic. i'mjoined| now by the conservative mp, who served in afghanistan in the british army. a lot of people don't have time for soul—searching right now because they are still in a state of shock about what has been happening and unfolding in afghanistan. yes. i
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and unfolding in afghanistan. yes, i think a lot of _ and unfolding in afghanistan. yes, i think a lot of people _ and unfolding in afghanistan. yes, i think a lot of people have _ and unfolding in afghanistan. yes, i think a lot of people have been - think a lot of people have been taken by surprise. i think what has happened is appalling. you can listen to others who are working in afghanistan and it's a tragedy. this idea of a peaceful transition to the taliban, i think people are pretty naive when it comes to talybont. i think we will witness a humanitarian crisis of epic proportions. —— the taliban. i crisis of epic proportions. -- the taliban. ~ . ~ crisis of epic proportions. -- the taliban. ~' ., ~ ., taliban. i think when we talk about negotiations _ taliban. i think when we talk about negotiations now, _ taliban. i think when we talk about negotiations now, its _ taliban. i think when we talk about negotiations now, its negotiationsl negotiations now, its negotiations with a gun to your head. i negotiations now, its negotiations with a gun to your head.— with a gun to your head. i mean, it's ridiculous, _ with a gun to your head. i mean, it's ridiculous, isn't _ with a gun to your head. i mean, it's ridiculous, isn't it? _ with a gun to your head. i mean, it's ridiculous, isn't it? the - it's ridiculous, isn't it? the taliban have overrun the country, we have essentially surrendered to them. they have been successful and now the people who promised to fight
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for and protect over the last 30 years has gone down the drain. it's an extraordinary day. my feelings are very much with the people of afghanistan, the children and the women out there, who were promised a better future. women out there, who were promised a betterfuture. also women out there, who were promised a better future. also to veterans who served in this country, who have invested an awful lot. foreign office invested so much into 0ffice invested so much into afghanistan, to see... we we knew that we would leave but to see that none of this headstock is very hard to take. i none of this headstock is very hard to take. ~' ., none of this headstock is very hard to take. ~ ., .,, ., , ., to take. i think for those of us who know afghanistan _ to take. i think for those of us who know afghanistan intimately - to take. i think for those of us who know afghanistan intimately and i to take. i think for those of us who l know afghanistan intimately and has spent a lot of time there, meeting with journalists, activists, spent a lot of time there, meeting withjournalists, activists, young with journalists, activists, young people withjournalists, activists, young people who have taken the opportunities of the last two decades with both hands, they have said to me, we stuck our necks out and we were sheltered, we were inspired, we were financed by britain and the united states, and then, finally we were abandoned. you have hit the —
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then, finally we were abandoned. w'm. have hit the nail on the head. i get slightly frustrated with this that the us have done something and we can do anything about it. we pay millions of pounds every year. we gave these people promises and if we really are the sort of country... as far as i'm concerned, and a lot of people are concerned, we made promises to these people and we should have done far more to protect them in their hour of need, before it got to the situation. i hope and pray that we can get as many of our people out as we possibly can but we need to be very careful around the taliban. i have been speaking to people in afghanistan this morning. did you regret serving? tile.
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people in afghanistan this morning. did you regret serving? kiwi people in afghanistan this morning. did you regret serving?— did you regret serving? no, i will never regret _ did you regret serving? no, i will never regret serving. _ did you regret serving? no, i will never regret serving. i'm - did you regret serving? no, i will. never regret serving. i'm incredibly proud of the people i served with. for a period, they demonstrated two young afghans what life could and should be life and nobody can ever take that away. i'm incredibly proud of the values demonstrated daily. they had the best values of the united kingdom on display amongst those in combat in afghanistan. i'm incredibly proud of them and i always will be and i make no apology for that at all.— for that at all. what you say to the mothers in — for that at all. what you say to the mothers in britain, _ for that at all. what you say to the mothers in britain, who _ for that at all. what you say to the mothers in britain, who have - for that at all. what you say to the mothers in britain, who have lostl mothers in britain, who have lost their sons and daughters in this war? i their sons and daughters in this war? ., _ �* their sons and daughters in this war? ., �* war? i would say i'm so sorry. i understand _ war? i would say i'm so sorry. i understand your _ war? i would say i'm so sorry. i understand your pain. - war? i would say i'm so sorry. i understand your pain. many - war? i would say i'm so sorry. i i understand your pain. many have written to me in the last few days. i would say that the death of your son or daughter was not in vain because, like i say, for a period of time we demonstrated to young afghans what life could and should be like and they can ever take that
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away from them. the values, the scale, the courage of these individuals in a world that doesn't seem to value these things particularly much these days, they were concentrated in our fighters in afghanistan and i was incredibly proud to serve alongside them. often, people like me were inspired often, people like me were inspired by this courage and sacrifice. no one can change that and so they didn't die in vain but i can totally understand why people feel like that and i can totally understand why people will say that as well. thank ou. the people will say that as well. thank you- the uk _ people will say that as well. thank you. the uk parliament _ people will say that as well. thank you. the uk parliament is - people will say that as well. thank you. the uk parliament is to - people will say that as well. thank you. the uk parliament is to be i you. the uk parliament is to be recalled in the coming days to discuss afghanistan. 0ur political correspondent, tony is back with us to discuss. what update you have? we to discuss. what update you have? - learnt in the last hour that mps are going to be recalled next week. i can say now that it looks like it will be wednesday. the bbc understands that mps are going to be recalled on wednesday to discuss the situation. you heard from johnny.
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there is going to be a passionate debate about what went wrong. i think in the mean time of course, there is a much more urgentjob of getting british nationals and others out of cab —— kabul. itruiith getting british nationals and others out of cab -- kabul.— getting british nationals and others out of cab -- kabul. with me is the bbc journalist _ out of cab -- kabul. with me is the bbc journalist who _ out of cab -- kabul. with me is the bbc journalist who is _ out of cab -- kabul. with me is the bbc journalist who is from - bbc journalist who is from afghanistan and she is speaking to us from her residence here in london, i believe. is that correct? yes, i'm in reading. the london, i believe. is that correct? yes, i'm in reading.— yes, i'm in reading. the autocue said that you _ yes, i'm in reading. the autocue said that you were _ yes, i'm in reading. the autocue said that you were in _ yes, i'm in reading. the autocue| said that you were in afghanistan. it's been a difficult week for afghans. it's been a difficult week for afr hans. ., ., . ., .,, .,, it's been a difficult week for afuhans. ., ., . ., .,, , afghans. total chaos. it has been ve hard afghans. total chaos. it has been very hard to _ afghans. total chaos. it has been very hard to digest _ afghans. total chaos. it has been very hard to digest what - afghans. total chaos. it has been very hard to digest what is - afghans. total chaos. it has been very hard to digest what is going | afghans. total chaos. it has been l very hard to digest what is going on in afghanistan. i have been speaking to one mother this morning who says her son has been working in the
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military and front line injalalabad which was taken over yesterday by the taliban and she said that she is trying hard to connect with her son via phone and he is not answering. she called someone who is working on the same place in the military and he answered and he only said that we are ok but we are not allowed to talk. she doesn't know where her son is, how he is and she says she lives nearby kabul airport and she says every minute, you hear an aeroplane going over their house. it means a lot of people are leaving afghanistan and these people have left with nothing, no hope, no proper explanation of what is going on, no support for them. the others like her, remember she is a woman whose husband worked in the military and her two sons are in the military, and this isjust chaos and her two sons are in the military, and this is just chaos and she is totally heartbroken and it has been very hard for many other
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families. i was speaking to my friends in kabul. when was in the bank this morning and she said suddenly chaos started and people started running away, getting off the cards and running away to a safe place because they were told that the taliban had just arrived and they had to go to safety. because she is a young woman, she went gets money from the bank, she said the bank told them that they are empty and there is no money and they need to go back home. the streets are empty, many other people i have spoken to who are working with the police, they were told last night to burn all of the documents that they have, leave a uniform and go home. it's a situation, where people don't know how to make sense of it. it's total confusion, fear and worry. i’m total confusion, fear and worry. i'm heafina total confusion, fear and worry. i'm hearing very _ total confusion, fear and worry. i'm hearing very similar things. people are being told, take of your
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uniforms, burn your documents and go home. , , ., , .,, ., uniforms, burn your documents and go home. , , ., , ., ., home. yes, these are people who have worked so hard — home. yes, these are people who have worked so hard in _ home. yes, these are people who have worked so hard in the _ home. yes, these are people who have worked so hard in the last _ home. yes, these are people who have worked so hard in the last 20 _ home. yes, these are people who have worked so hard in the last 20 years. . worked so hard in the last 20 years. one woman i was speaking to said i spent the best years of my life that i could look after my kids, i could be with my kids, but i spent it to build this country and what we are seeing now is fear, fear of the regime coming that might stop us from working. as we know from other provinces, women have been told to go home. we don't know what is going to happen in the next few days in the next few months and a lot of women don't know what is going to happen but there is definitely a feeling of fear and worry in afghanistan. no one expected it to be so fast and so quick. i afghanistan. no one expected it to be so fast and so quick.— be so fast and so quick. i think that was what _ be so fast and so quick. i think that was what was _ be so fast and so quick. i think that was what was so - be so fast and so quick. i think that was what was so shocking j be so fast and so quick. i think. that was what was so shocking for be so fast and so quick. i think- that was what was so shocking for so many people. you speak to so many people who don't have passports example because theyjust didn't expect that they would need it. £3.35.
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expect that they would need it. gas, and one of my _ expect that they would need it. gas, and one of my other— expect that they would need it. (17.3 and one of my other friends, who has been trying to leave afghanistan because it's not safe for him, he says he has been going to the indian embassy to get a visa for three days. the queues are so big that he cannot even talk to an official about what is going on. are they going to get obese or not? he said that they have been told that the taliban had told him that he is free to go but he said, i don't know where to go? i don't trust what is coming and i don't have a way of escaping. it's a feeling of desperation in afghanistan. no one expected it like this. it is just that everyone is waiting for the next minute, what is going to be announced, what is going to be done. no one knows what is going to happen next. ., ., ., , next. no, we... i have some family members — next. no, we... i have some family members in —
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next. no, we... i have some family members in jalalabad _ next. no, we... i have some family members in jalalabad and - next. no, we... i have some family members in jalalabad and they - next. no, we... i have some familyj members in jalalabad and they said members injalalabad and they said that they were told that they could come back to their shops but he says that they are scared. i don't know how to go and open my shop. i don't know what the next minute will bring to me. it isjust like that in kabul now. kabul is in total mess. everyone is talking about it and one woman that i was speaking to said, if you look at afghanistan today, if you look at kabul, just remember that we trusted the americans. do not trust the americans when they say that they are going to come and liberate you. they don't, they leave you in the middle of the night and they abandon you. that's how they feel. i they abandon you. that's how they feel. ~ ., , ., �* feel. i think one thing we shouldn't foruet and feel. i think one thing we shouldn't forget and we _ feel. i think one thing we shouldn't forget and we need _ feel. i think one thing we shouldn't forget and we need to _ feel. i think one thing we shouldn't forget and we need to point - feel. i think one thing we shouldn't forget and we need to point out. feel. i think one thing we shouldn't forget and we need to point out is| forget and we need to point out is the gains of the last 20 years. so while people talk about the government, there was only women, so many extraordinary people who took their freedoms and opportunities and made something of it. yes. their freedoms and opportunities and made something of it.— their freedoms and opportunities and made something of it. yes, you know. you no to
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made something of it. yes, you know. you go to afghanistan _ made something of it. yes, you know. you go to afghanistan quite _ you go to afghanistan quite frequently, more than me. you saw the progress that women maids. the progress that girls made. the progress that girls made. the progress that girls made. the progress that young men need. i remember 20 years ago, when we were reporting from the bbc, there were hardly any be, english speakers but now we have an army of english speakers. there is a thirst of education and they grabbed it and they learnt and they digested it and they learnt and they digested it and they made such progress. they went abroad, they got an education, they went back home to build their country, and now, suddenly, all of those people i know arejobless. all of those people that i know are sitting at home waiting for the next minute, what to do. they don't trust the politicians, they don't trust the politicians, they don't trust the americans, they don't trust the other international community is that were there. i am seeing kids on the street crying because they don't have milk, they don't have proper food. it isjust have milk, they don't have proper
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food. it is just a heartbreaking situation and ijust don't know how to clobber myself personally, because i am afghan and i work for women. it is heartbreaking.- women. it is heartbreaking. thank ou. an women. it is heartbreaking. thank you- an afghan — women. it is heartbreaking. thank you. an afghan mp _ women. it is heartbreaking. thank you. an afghan mp and _ women. it is heartbreaking. thank you. an afghan mp and -- - women. it is heartbreaking. thank you. an afghan mp and -- in - women. it is heartbreaking. thank| you. an afghan mp and -- in kabul you. an afghan mp and —— in kabul was speaking in the last hour... people are just living here, was speaking in the last hour... people arejust living here, scared, some of them are running, some of them are keeping themselves hiding in the houses and we hear some gun fires around kabul in the centre of the city and some districts have
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already fallen into the taliban's hands and it makes people are kabul more nervous. and we arejust hands and it makes people are kabul more nervous. and we are just scared of what will happen here. as much as we hear in kabul, no battle order no what will happen, it will be a transaction, everything that happens will be based on a settlement, on a political settlement, an agreement. they are saying that burt's people are in a situation that can't leave. we have already been through so much from the provinces to kabul, so it's actually how the people feel. they feel that everything could happen in a minute or an hour.
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feel that everything could happen in a minute oran hour. {mp feel that everything could happen in a minute or an hour.— a minute or an hour. cmp is chair of the uk's foreign _ a minute or an hour. cmp is chair of the uk's foreign select _ a minute or an hour. cmp is chair of the uk's foreign select myth, - the uk's foreign select myth, committee —— foreign select committee. in a knack for many years, i lived in afghanistan for four years. these people showed enormous courage in standing up and fighting alongside us. these are our brothers and sisters. seeing this destruction is absolutely heartbreaking, particularly when it was so unnecessary. 10,000 nato soldiers were maintaining a force of 400,000 afghans troops. we convince them that there was no tomorrow and in doing so, we abandoned the afghan people and this is the result. this is the decision that president biden and other nato leaders have taken.
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can you just give us an update on the situation on the ground? the latest is that _ the situation on the ground? tie: latest is that both the taliban and the security and the military officials in kabul have issued statesmen and have tried to assure the residents of kabul that they will be no fighting and the taliban will be no fighting and the taliban will not enter the city by force but as a result of the deal and the peaceful transition of power will take place. as previous speakers were saying, people in kabul are in a state of panic and confusion, people are trying to get home, women and children... i was speaking to
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some families, their children were at school. it's just a state of uncertainty and confusion. the government is trying but it is difficult to give the assurances that people need at this point. band that people need at this point. and that people need at this point. and that is art that people need at this point. and that is part of the story, the uncertainty, the chaos, the lack of leadership at present. people are looking to taliban statements to get a sense of what's actually happening. a sense of what's actually happening-— a sense of what's actually happening. a sense of what's actually hauuenin. , happening. exactly, that's probably the defence minister— happening. exactly, that's probably the defence minister issued - happening. exactly, that's probably the defence minister issued a - happening. exactly, that's probablyj the defence minister issued a video statement to show some sort of leadership but it probably was a bit too late because in the morning, the city was gripped in confusion and the taliban statements, i don't know how much it has reached the people. they have issued a statement on a
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social media account but i'm sure the local media is trying to give them the update that people require but people will be waiting with anxiety as to what will happen in the next 24 hours. the rumours are spreading around in kabul. some say that a delegation of the taliban is in kabul and there have been talks of transition of power but none of these have been confirmed. neither these have been confirmed. neither the taliban or the afghan government have confirmed any of these. so, it is a complete state of uncertainty. and that is part of the problem as
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well. there are a lot of rumours circulating at present about what's actually happening but there isn't any concrete information. trio. actually happening but there isn't any concrete information. no, that has been part _ any concrete information. no, that has been part of— any concrete information. no, that has been part of the _ any concrete information. no, that has been part of the problem. - any concrete information. no, that has been part of the problem. in i has been part of the problem. in fact, the government officials, but we were speaking too recently, said that one of the reason that the taliban may be advancement or the reason that the government forces became so demoralised was the amount of rumours that were going around, so it is as you say, part of the problem and the panic that was prevalent in kabul this morning is just the result of these rumours and i think some have said that they have seen the taliban on the street
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but it is difficult... you know that the... �* , ., ., , the... i'm 'ust going to interrupt ou. i'm the... i'm just going to interrupt you- i'mjust_ the... i'm just going to interrupt you- i'm just going _ the... i'm just going to interrupt you. i'm just going to _ the... i'm just going to interrupt you. i'm just going to interrupt l the... i'm just going to interrupt i you. i'm just going to interrupt you because love 0k, we have just got a spokesperson of the taliban on the line. can you hear me? we havejust got you on the phone, so we are just going to see if we can put you on speaker. can our view here that? could you speak and introduce yourself? yes,. is that fine? can our viewers here at? 0k, _ yes,. is that fine? can our viewers here at? 0k, there _ yes,. is that fine? can our viewers here at? 0k, there is _ yes,. is that fine? can our viewers here at? 0k, there is a _ yes,. is that fine? can our viewers
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here at? 0k, there is a lot - yes,. is that fine? can our viewers here at? 0k, there is a lot of - yes,. is that fine? can our viewers | here at? 0k, there is a lot of chaos and confusion in kabul at the moment. can you just help us understand what the taliban plan to do at present and next? yes. understand what the taliban plan to do at present and next?— do at present and next? yes, there should rrot — do at present and next? yes, there should rrot be _ do at present and next? yes, there should not be any _ do at present and next? yes, there should not be any confusion. - do at present and next? yes, there should not be any confusion. we i do at present and next? yes, there i should not be any confusion. we show the people of afghanistan and the city of kabul that their properties, their lives are safe. there will be no... i worked leadership —— our leadership have instructed our forces to remain at the gate of kabul and not to enter the city. we are waiting a peaceful transfer of power. are waiting a peaceful transfer of
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ower. ~ , ., are waiting a peaceful transfer of ower. ~ ,, are waiting a peaceful transfer of ower.~ , power. when you say peaceful transfer of _ power. when you say peaceful transfer of power, _ power. when you say peaceful transfer of power, what i power. when you say peaceful transfer of power, what you i power. when you say peaceful- transfer of power, what you mean? what is actually likely to happen? it means that the city and the power should be handed over to us and then in future we will have an islamic government, in which all of our plans will have participation. when ou sa plans will have participation. when you say participation, _ plans will have participation. when you say participation, do _ plans will have participation. when you say participation, do you i plans will have participation. when you say participation, do you mean one votes, when person? what you mean by participation? participation means that we _ mean by participation? participation means that we will _ mean by participation? participation means that we will have _ mean by participation? participation means that we will have in - mean by participation? participation means that we will have in the i means that we will have in the government afghans and we will have them in the future government. but it will all form under the umbrella
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of the government of the taliban? yes, there will be an islamic government.— government. will there be a delegation _ government. will there be a delegation going _ government. will there be a delegation going to - government. will there be a delegation going to go i government. will there be a delegation going to go hard| delegation going to go hard tomorrow? there are a lot of rumours that he has arrived in kabul and that he has arrived in kabul and that the current president has handed power over to him. can you give viewers some clarity on that, please? ihe give viewers some clarity on that, lease? , ., , ., give viewers some clarity on that, lease? , .,, ., _, please? he is here. he has not come to kabul. these _ please? he is here. he has not come to kabul. these are _ please? he is here. he has not come to kabul. these are just _ please? he is here. he has not come to kabul. these are just rumours. i to kabul. these are just rumours. there is also a lot of concern from women in afghanistan, in kabul. they have been writing to me, they are concerned that you will reimpose the regime of the 90s back in afghanistan, where women could not go to school, they could not work.
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can you give us some clarity on what your plans offer that? we can you give us some clarity on what your plans offer that?— your plans offer that? we have taken... there _ your plans offer that? we have taken... there are _ your plans offer that? we have taken... there are hundreds i your plans offer that? we have taken... there are hundreds of schools for girls. the girls students are studying and there is no love they are continuing their studies and they are going to school. so, we should not... women are tellin: school. so, we should not... women are telling you _ school. so, we should not... women are telling you that _ school. so, we should not... women are telling you that when _ school. so, we should not... women are telling you that when they i are telling you that when they arrived at the gates of the university yesterday, taliban fighters told them to leave and that they would be instructions about whether they could attend university or not. that is what the fighters on the ground are telling the women.
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no, what i'm saying is the policy. the policy is that women can have access to education and to work, and of course, they will wear the hijab. that's it. of course, they will wear the hi'ab. that's it. ~ , ., _ of course, they will wear the hi'ab. that's it. ~ , ., ., , that's it. when you say the hi'ab, do ou that's it. when you say the hi'ab, do you mean fl that's it. when you say the hi'ab, do you mean a i that's it. when you say the hi'ab, do you mean a headscarf i that's it. when you say the hi'ab, do you mean a headscarf on i that's it. when you say the hijab, do you mean a headscarf on the l that's it. when you say the hijab, i do you mean a headscarf on the head or a book covering their face? do you mean a headscarf on the head or a book covering theirface? tia. or a book covering their face? no, the buroa or a book covering their face? no, the burqa is— or a book covering their face? no, the burqa is not _ or a book covering their face? tifr. the burqa is not the only hijab. there are many types of hijab. you there are many types of hi'ab. you said to me — there are many types of hi'ab. you said to me that i there are many types of hijab. you said to me that the policy is that girls can go to school but in places we are seeing girls and women being pushed out of school. are your fighters listening to you? yes. pushed out of school. are your fighters listening to you? yes, they are listening _ fighters listening to you? yes, they are listening to _ fighters listening to you? yes, they are listening to us. _ fighters listening to you? yes, they are listening to us. if— fighters listening to you? yes, they are listening to us. if there - fighters listening to you? yes, they are listening to us. if there are i are listening to us. if there are individual cases, that will be
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investigated and they will all have to abide the policy.— to abide the policy. we're also heafina to abide the policy. we're also hearing reports _ to abide the policy. we're also hearing reports that _ to abide the policy. we're also hearing reports that taliban i to abide the policy. we're also l hearing reports that taliban are going house to house and terrorising people who worked for western forces or are in any way affiliated with western institutions. tia. or are in any way affiliated with western institutions.— or are in any way affiliated with western institutions. no, that is not true. western institutions. no, that is rrot true- i _ western institutions. no, that is not true. i already _ western institutions. no, that is not true. i already sent - western institutions. no, that is not true. i already sent you i western institutions. no, that is not true. i already sent you our| not true. i already sent you our statements, which reflects our... that is the policy. there are a lot of rumours and fake reports by our opponents in order to align us. bond opponents in order to align us. and i 'ust want opponents in order to align us. and ijust want to _ opponents in order to align us. and ijust want to understand the i just want to understand the difference between what the fighters are doing and what you're telling them to do. i know you're concerned about the reputation of your group but there is footage that has
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emerged, for example, that fighters against the taliban have been tortured and killed. we are seeing public execution in certain places. is that going to continue across afghanistan over the next coming days and weeks? he. afghanistan over the next coming days and weeks?— days and weeks? no, there is no retaliation- _ days and weeks? no, there is no retaliation. we _ days and weeks? no, there is no retaliation. we have _ days and weeks? no, there is no retaliation. we have issued i retaliation. we have issued statements after statement, which... i suppose, i statements after statement, which... isuppose, i have statements after statement, which... i suppose, i have spent time with you in afghanistan and you have spoken about all of these things and the statements on the policies, but it is what is happening on the ground to the people. they are telling us that your fighters are terrorising them. for example, a government worker was targeted and killed last week, a media government worker and the taliban claimed responsibility. is there going to be continue to targeted killings of people who do not agree with the taliban or have spoken out against the?

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