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are intensifying their hunt for people who worked for nato and us forces. it warns the militants are arresting or threatening family members of targets, unless they surrender themselves. the us says it's evacuated 7000 people from kabul in the five days since the taliban takeover. as people scramble to leave the country, the un refugee agency warns of a looming humanitarian crisis. there's mounting anger in haiti as aid agencies struggle to reach some of the areas worst hit by saturday's earthquake. over 2000 people were killed. the authorities in washington dc have arrested a man who threatened to detonate a bomb near the us capitol. police said they don't know the man's motives.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the times radio presenter calum macdonald and the chief executive of the think tank demos, polly mackenzie. tomorrow because �*s front pages... the crisis in afghanistan dominates most of tomorrow's front pages. in the metro, the desperate scene of a mother handing her daughter to an american soldier, begging him to save herfrom a life under the taliban. 0n the front page of the ft, a photo of women protesters in kabul carry the afghan national flag in a show of defiance to the taliban. the telegraph reports on the remarks made by us presidentjoe biden. he hit back at britain and other nato allies, saying that they �*had a choice' to stay in afghanistan despite the united states pulling out. that is actually the guardian. as i just hinted, the telegraph reports
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on those remarks made by president biden. let's get stuck into the papers. as i've moved to the right camera! the metro, the headline that stated out when we look at all of these papers. calum? when we look at all of these papers. (alum? ~ , ,., , , , when we look at all of these papers. (alum? ~ , , ,., ., (alum? absolutely. this is one of the defining _ (alum? absolutely. this is one of the defining images _ (alum? absolutely. this is one of the defining images now- (alum? absolutely. this is one of the defining images now of - (alum? absolutely. this is one of the defining images now of this i the defining images now of this chapter of afghanistan's history. earlier in the week, we had footage of hundreds of people clinging to that aircraft. such was the desperation to escape. this from the metro is just another reminder of the lives that millions, tens of millions of people are now facing in
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afghanistan and how desperate they are to avoid that life. particularly for women and young girls, particularly for children, they had no experience of living under the rule of taliban militants. their parents and grandparents are fully aware of what awaits them, so this picture demonstrates the care and concerned and anger and anguish of parents as they try to get their children out to safety. i think it also speaks to the chaos of the situation that is probably unfathomable. we see the footage and pictures, but trying to co—ordinate this move must be nothing short of a nightmare in terms of trying to get as many people out of afghanistan as possible. as many people out of afghanistan as ossible. ., , ~' possible. polly, did we ever think we would get _ possible. polly, did we ever think we would get to _ possible. polly, did we ever think we would get to a _ possible. polly, did we ever think we would get to a stage - possible. polly, did we ever think we would get to a stage where i possible. polly, did we ever thinkl we would get to a stage where the possible. polly, did we ever think- we would get to a stage where the us in the uk were in charge of the air couple will —— airfield relying on the taliban?
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couple will -- airfield relying on the taliban?— the taliban? no, this is extraordinary _ the taliban? no, this is extraordinary and - the taliban? no, this is extraordinary and the i the taliban? no, this is - extraordinary and the speed with which _ extraordinary and the speed with which it— extraordinary and the speed with which it is— extraordinary and the speed with which it is happened is precisely what _ which it is happened is precisely what both— which it is happened is precisely what both governments told us wouldn't — what both governments told us wouldn't happen. and i think it's so hard to— wouldn't happen. and i think it's so hard to even— wouldn't happen. and i think it's so hard to even imagine how desperate you would _ hard to even imagine how desperate you would have to be to even consider _ you would have to be to even consider someone passing their baby to consider someone passing their baby io soldiers— consider someone passing their baby to soldiers and hope of their safetx — to soldiers and hope of their safety. we see this desperation all over the _ safety. we see this desperation all over the world. we see people getting — over the world. we see people getting onto dangerous boats to seek safety, _ getting onto dangerous boats to seek safety, we _ getting onto dangerous boats to seek safety, we ceased people surrendering their safety to people traffickers and smugglers to get out of dangerous situations. and it's a reminder— of dangerous situations. and it's a reminder of— of dangerous situations. and it's a reminder of the extraordinary privilege _ reminder of the extraordinary privilege we have to live in peace and security. this is a mess, this is an— and security. this is a mess, this is an iconic— and security. this is a mess, this is an iconic image, but... (alum
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says— is an iconic image, but... (alum says we — is an iconic image, but... (alum says we should get as many people out as— says we should get as many people out as possible, and that's rate, but the — out as possible, and that's rate, but the reality is it's a reminder ofiust— but the reality is it's a reminder ofiust how— but the reality is it's a reminder ofjust how limited our power is, which _ ofjust how limited our power is, which for— ofjust how limited our power is, which for a — ofjust how limited our power is, which for a long time, the west acted _ which for a long time, the west acted at — which for a long time, the west acted at it— which for a long time, the west acted at it it could march around the world — acted at it it could march around the world and fix problems. and change — the world and fix problems. and change every country in the image of the west _ change every country in the image of the west. what's clear from this is that's— the west. what's clear from this is that'siust — the west. what's clear from this is that'sjust not possible. even if we save three — that'sjust not possible. even if we save three times as many as the people _ save three times as many as the people we're talking about saving, the reality— people we're talking about saving, the reality is like for the afghan people — the reality is like for the afghan people will be immeasurably more difficult _ people will be immeasurably more difficult and less free, and there's almost _ difficult and less free, and there's almost nothing we can do. we saw that picture _ almost nothing we can do. we saw that picture on _ almost nothing we can do. we saw that picture on the _ almost nothing we can do. we saw that picture on the front _ almost nothing we can do. we saw that picture on the front page of. that picture on the front page of the metro. the daily telegraph has something quite similar. presumably inside the airfield, which means that child and their family will be able to evacuate. the
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main story we're talking about, is from the us president, uk and allies have the choice to remain. it wasn't actually used understandably in the interview mr biden gave to abc, but it addresses that point made by a number of uk ministers in recent days, saying they have to follow the us. i days, saying they have to follow the us. ~' days, saying they have to follow the us. ~ , , _, . days, saying they have to follow the us. i think this is concerning on a number of _ us. i think this is concerning on a number of levels. _ us. i think this is concerning on a number of levels. one, _ us. i think this is concerning on a number of levels. one, the - number of levels. one, the implication we had to follow the us, since when... why can't we move past that? why couldn't we do this without the us? joe biden now says in the interview that everyone had their own choice. i think the concern for me comes as well on a slightly different level and what appears to be a slight breakdown in communication between leaders of different nations and within countries. first of all, it took us
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days to hear from countries. first of all, it took us days to hearfrom prime minister johnson and president biden. neither should escape criticism from the delay. also, it has emerged in the last few days just how sluggish world leaders have been to communicate with one another. [30 communicate with one another. do they have their own whatsapp group? without the quickest?— without the quickest? everyone else seems to use _ without the quickest? everyone else seems to use whatsapp. _ without the quickest? everyone else seems to use whatsapp. then - without the quickest? everyone else seems to use whatsapp. then they. without the quickest? everyone else i seems to use whatsapp. then they can just delete the messages and we move past any particular inquiries. it just seems bizarre that there is an apparent lack of communication between supposed allies. what the point in even trying any diplomatic relation between nations is, but a critical time in the history of the world and western nations intervening are not in the situation. it's all a lot of who cares. the whole thing just seems
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utterly devoid of any sense of leadership. utterly devoid of any sense of leadership-— utterly devoid of any sense of leadershi -. ~ ., ., ~ ., , leadership. when we look at this oint, the leadership. when we look at this point. the point _ leadership. when we look at this point, the point made _ leadership. when we look at this point, the point made by - leadership. when we look at this point, the point made by uk - point, the point made by uk ministers was that the uk simply does not have the airpower to do this on its own and provide the kind of cover the us was providing. they say they didn't have a choice, but mr biden said they did. it's technically _ mr biden said they did. it's technically true _ mr biden said they did. it's technically true we could have left. but the _ technically true we could have left. but the reality is that european nations— but the reality is that european nations went into this warm, the original— nations went into this warm, the original invasion, in defence of america — original invasion, in defence of america it _ original invasion, in defence of america. it has always been a us—led operation, _ america. it has always been a us—led operation, and the us spends more on its defence _ operation, and the us spends more on its defence. we are incredibly dependent on that relationship.
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as backbenchers have been talking about, it's clear we need _ have been talking about, it's clear we need to— have been talking about, it's clear we need to reconceptualize our foreign — we need to reconceptualize our foreign policy for a generational shift _ foreign policy for a generational shift it's— foreign policy for a generational shift. it's something biden has in common— shift. it's something biden has in common with from, a view of what the us is capable _ common with from, a view of what the us is capable of —— with trump. trump — us is capable of —— with trump. trump argued convincingly in some ways that _ trump argued convincingly in some ways that european nations could have _ ways that european nations could have been— ways that european nations could have been spending —— should have been _ have been spending —— should have been spending. so that we do have the capability to intervene more comprehensively and more independently. the uk has separated ourselves— independently. the uk has separated ourselves out from, and european approaches — ourselves out from, and european approaches to these things by leaving — approaches to these things by leaving the eu, but there is still nato _ leaving the eu, but there is still nato and — leaving the eu, but there is still nato and opportunities there. but i
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think we _ nato and opportunities there. but i think we will have to adjust to this idea of— think we will have to adjust to this idea of a _ think we will have to adjust to this idea of a much less interested america — idea of a much less interested america in global affairs and this shift of— america in global affairs and this shift of power eastward because people — shift of power eastward because people deciding the future of afghanistan will be china and india, i run afghanistan will be china and india, i run closer. — afghanistan will be china and india, i run closer, more regional powers. -- iran~ _ i run closer, more regional powers. -- iran~ let's— i run closer, more regional powers. —— iran. let's go back to that idea of who is throwing who when and from which location. that's what the guardian is doing. it's day two of the story because we should say the daily mail in the figure ofjohn stevens did have this story last night. dominic robert refused to take calls during the fall of afghanistan —— dominic raab. i think there is a focal point of a afghanistan -- dominic raab. i think there is a focal poin— there is a focal point of a lack of leadership- _ there is a focal point of a lack of
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leadership. focus _ there is a focal point of a lack of leadership. focus anger, - there is a focal point of a lack of. leadership. focus anger, dismay, concern, and it is the foreign secretary who, as it would appear, being cited in various pages, the suggestion dominic raab didn't place a call to his counterpart in afghanistan, but delegated to a genuine minister. i think four or his point of view, the defence secretary came to his defence —— junior minister. i don't know whether that's true. i'm not sure what diplomatic relationship is between dominic raab and the former minister of afghanistan. i would like to think that our statesmen and women, but in this case our statesmen, i would care enough to be able to place a phone call. take ten minutes out and take that phone call to afghanistan. i was struck by one of my colleagues tweeting earlier,
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that news desk seemed better prepared for the fall of kabul than the uk government did. what strikes me as bizarre. i don't understand why news desks across the country actually have a scoop on this and our leaders did not. that strikes me as entirely bizarre.— as entirely bizarre. polly mckenzie, lookin: at as entirely bizarre. polly mckenzie, looking at that _ as entirely bizarre. polly mckenzie, looking at that wider _ as entirely bizarre. polly mckenzie, looking at that wider issue, - as entirely bizarre. polly mckenzie, looking at that wider issue, the - looking at that wider issue, the times ran a story similar to this saying the permanent secretaries of a number of departments are also on holiday at the moment. this does add toa to a story that began yesterday and is now having to respond tonight saying secretary take calls on their leave. �* ~ . .,. saying secretary take calls on their leave. �* . . , ., ., leave. ben wallace is right that no -hone leave. ben wallace is right that no hone call leave. ben wallace is right that no phone call from — leave. ben wallace is right that no phone call from dominic _ leave. ben wallace is right that no phone call from dominic raab - leave. ben wallace is right that no
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phone call from dominic raab or. phone call from dominic raab or anybody— phone call from dominic raab or anybody will have prevented the taliban — anybody will have prevented the taliban from taking kabul or the collapse — taliban from taking kabul or the collapse of the afghan government. but in _ collapse of the afghan government. but in the _ collapse of the afghan government. but in the situation like this, there's— but in the situation like this, there's not much you can do. but there _ there's not much you can do. but there are — there's not much you can do. but there are things you can do, and my view is _ there are things you can do, and my view is that— there are things you can do, and my view is that the duty —— it is the duty— view is that the duty —— it is the duty of— view is that the duty —— it is the duty of civil _ view is that the duty —— it is the duty of civil servants to make themselves available for those essentially incremental phone calls or changes that will enable one extra _ or changes that will enable one extra family or ten extra families who did — extra family or ten extra families who did service to the uk government and to— who did service to the uk government and to our— who did service to the uk government and to our allies during the last 20 years— and to our allies during the last 20 years to _ and to our allies during the last 20 years to get out and get to safety. and i_ years to get out and get to safety. and i think— years to get out and get to safety. and i think somehow, our government -ot and i think somehow, our government got captured by this sense of acknowledging the powerlessness, acknowledging the powerlessness, acknowledging the powerlessness, acknowledging the end of interventional is him. they forgot small— interventional is him. they forgot small things can really make a difference to whom we owe an
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extraordinary duty of care and obligation. it's this idea that we need _ obligation. it's this idea that we need to— obligation. it's this idea that we need to limit applications and we need _ need to limit applications and we need to— need to limit applications and we need to make sure we're only offering — need to make sure we're only offering a _ need to make sure we're only offering a few thousand people just in case _ offering a few thousand people just in case they overcrowd some sort of asylum _ in case they overcrowd some sort of asylum housing. it's actually that mindset— asylum housing. it's actually that mindset that we absolutely need to restrict _ mindset that we absolutely need to restrict rather than try and be compassionate and open—hearted in the service — compassionate and open—hearted in the service of the obligations we have _ the service of the obligations we have developed over 20 years of a failed _ have developed over 20 years of a failed project. just have developed over 20 years of a failed project-— failed pro'ect. just thinking of the time failed project. just thinking of the time when peter _ failed project. just thinking of the time when peter mandel - failed project. just thinking of the time when peter mandel sends i failed project. just thinking of the l time when peter mandel sends that failed project. just thinking of the i time when peter mandel sends that he was running the country from his blackberry. the guardian does have another story. british embassy guards ineligible for uk help. this is a quote about 125 guards who were guarding the british embassy who are in and eligible for help because they were higher through an outsourced contractor. i think this
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is going to be the start of perhaps a common theme here where technicality means we absolve ourselves of responsibility for people who have served and helped. in this case, just over 100 people. maybe there will be a u—turn, but i it feels like it's something... it means we actually don't have anything to do with you. that's going to leave a slight bitter taste. i think the suggestion we can't help people is one that i struggle to understand, one that seems scarcely human. i think if people are looking to get out of afghanistan, let alone if they felt the uk in any way, as these people did, but if people are looking to get out of afghanistan, i don't understand why we need to be so restrictive. we've been there for 20 years, we are able to help. i don't
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