i wonder what it's like for both of you to be reunited via zoom. well, usually, i touch clive a lot. there's a lot of interaction between our limbs. luckily, he's burnt. his face is like a beet, so i'm very turned off. clive, she's not in the same room as you, so what was ruby like to work with? erm... laughter she was... talk, clive. she was... she was always exciting to work with, and it was always thrilling. it was thrilling to work with her, and it's been even more thrilling to reunite after 20 years. yeah. well, you're both very welcome. layla smith is head of objective media group, part of the tv giant all3media and, before that, she was controller of entertainment at itv. i mean, layla, you're looking after a huge selection of programmes at objective. what are your big hits at the moment?

well, like what we're talking about, one of the big things, _ was bringing the cube| back after many years. so, it was off air for many years and we bought it back— last year in october. it was a £1 million - cube with new gameplay. it's back again this year, - and there are other shows that we are either rebooting formats on other territories- from our own, and that, i think, is notable. - at a time when everybody still tries to innovate, but actually, _ but actually, you do look back at the things that have been l brilliant and think how - they can be brilliant again. we'll dip into the cube a little bit later for sure. and mark sammon is the executive producer of changing rooms, now back on our screens. mark, welcome. hello, thank you. why was now the right time to bring back changing rooms? i guess what i... you've touched on it already, julian, the fact that a known title often cuts through, and myjob at the time at shine tv

was to find shows that would get commissioned, brand—new shows that were innovating, but also to win business, put plainly. so, changing rooms is something that was available that i was able to pitch and develop. but i suppose i should also say, and it's absolutely true, that i loved it as a viewer first time round. i think if you're going to sell anything, new or reboot, you need to go in with some passion, so it was a great show. yes, you got to believe in it, haven't you? yeah, of course you do. it's a great show, great format. at its heart, you're letting in your neighbours or your friends, with a designer, to come in and make over a room in your home. so, it's a golden format, and why wouldn't we take that back out again after 19—20 years? well, for those who've never seen it — and i'm sure there must be somebody out there who falls into that category — let's have a brief listen to what you've done. there's this big thing happening

in design at the moment called maximalism, ok? so, it's anti—minimalism, and it's about being really crazy and party—orientated, quite fair. yeah. and i just thought that's got claire written all over it. yeah. neat—o. voiceover: but surely not written in pink, laurence. i you know, the colour claire doesn't like? l that was laurence llewelyn—bowen sorting out claire's living room. this is a reboot, mark, clearly. how much did you want to go back to the original and copy it, or at least come close to copying it? how much did you want to introduce elements that are entirely new? look, i think you want to do both, don't you? the original... you know, i'm old. i've been doing this for a long time now. i've been on both sides of the fence. i've seen reboots come and go, and some did incredibly well

and somejust fall flat on theirface. the first thing for us when we looked at changing rooms was looking at what people love about it. you know, we don't want to lose all of that. when you look back at the show that it was and you analyse it and you go, "oh, my god, how did that sustain" and "how did you watch that?" actually, we cast shows differently, we cut them differently now. so, the bits that we rebooted or the bits that we changed were actually about how you film it, how you cast it, how you tell that story, how you hold onto that audience that have so much more choice now. you know, changing rooms went and disappeared because people would come in for the first five minutes, and then come back for the reveal at the end, normally switching over to watch the soaps on itv at the time. actually, both of the bits that we've really worked on actually, those are the bits that we've really worked on

and that we really changed, but it was about preserving the essence of, actually,... you played a good clip there and you can feel and hear it from laurence, the playfulness, and it's an entertainment show ultimately. well, it's the clip when he's told she doesn't like pink, so what colour does he go for? pink. yeah, of course, of course, and therein is some drama and some entertainment, and that's hopefully going to keep the feel hanging around. but, actually, it's really important for us to... you know, to take it seriously, and i know that sounds ridiculous after the clip you just played. i'm sure lots of people watched the original and hopefully watched the reboot. but we could have been quite cynical. we could have gone in and said, "let's always play that trick, "let's always give them pink or green or purple "when they don't want it." but, actually, we didn't. i think that's the key, hopefully, to sustaining an audience. layla, you mentioned the cube coming back later this year and, as you say,

it had the £1 million specials aired last year. again, for those who haven't seen it, what does phillip schofield guide the viewer through on a typical episode of the cube? well, the cube is a very simple tag line. - you have nine lives to play seven deceptively difficult — _ they look simple, they'rej deceptively hard games — try and win a quarter of £1 million. and inside the confines - of perspex cube, simple games are incredibly hard. so, that's the game. there were nine series on itv over the last, . gosh, how many years? 15 years, and it's been off air. but we did change it up quite a lot. we felt like it needed - new elements to come back, and it wasn'tjust £1 million. that was a discussion we had with | itv about creating a stunt week, i | but we felt like a two—player game | would make it far more interesting. |we introduced a different lifelinel as a result of that because we felt like it's great to havel

something evergreen. game shows are so hard to get right. if you've got one that actually works, don't change that. - well, except, at some point, somebody must�*ve decided that it didn't work, that it's not sufficient enough to stay on the television. and then, what, five years elapsed and you'll come back and decide, actually, now is the moment to revive it. i wonder what the dynamics of all that is. oh, gosh, i won't go on for ages because i think this _ stuff is really complicated. i was at itv for many years when the cube was on, - so i obviously wasn't i running objective then. and i think what you do with all | shows is you tend to look at it| and think, "how can we improve? "does it need something changing up? "do we change elements of it? "do we freshen up the format?" when it's a game show... it might be different for ruby and clive with celebrity. interviews, that's about really brilliant interviews, isn't it? but i don't think that - happened with the cube. so, actually, it's not so much

that the format is broken, . but actually, viewers do demand a freshness to their content. - they don'tjust they don't just want the same thing, and that's_ they don't just want the same thing, and that's i_ they don't just want the same thing, and that's i think— they don't just want the same thing, and that's i think what _ they don't just want the same thing, and that's i think what happened - and that's i think what happened with the — and that's i think what happened with the cube. _ and that's i think what happened with the cube. it— and that's i think what happened with the cube. it just _ and that's i think what happened with the cube. itjust didn't- and that's i think what happenedj with the cube. itjust didn't have a fresh _ with the cube. itjust didn't have a fresh view, — with the cube. itjust didn't have a fresh view, and _ with the cube. itjust didn't have a fresh view, and that's _ with the cube. itjust didn't have a fresh view, and that's what - with the cube. itjust didn't have a fresh view, and that's what we - with the cube. itjust didn't have a| fresh view, and that's what we did. ruby. you've — fresh view, and that's what we did. ruby. youve gone _ fresh view, and that's what we did. ruby, you've gone back— fresh view, and that's what we did. ruby, you've gone back to - fresh view, and that's what we did. ruby, you've gone back to some i fresh view, and that's what we did. ruby, you've gone back to some of your classic celebrity documentaries from the 90s and the naughty. again, why is now a good moment to revisit those? i why is now a good moment to revisit those? �* ., , those? i didn't realise we were rebooting _ those? i didn't realise we were rebooting the _ those? i didn't realise we were rebooting the show. _ those? i didn't realise we were rebooting the show. the - those? i didn't realise we were rebooting the show. the show| those? i didn't realise we were . rebooting the show. the show had been shown for 25 years. i had an interview with someone questioning why that won't be, between clive and me, the show was commissioned just because the commissioner happen to like myself. but i think there were a thousand between them, and either didn't get it or thought why show it? what's so interesting about her?

i have a life, and it's nice they put it on before i died, because now i get to do my obituary.— i get to do my obituary. laughter. when ou i get to do my obituary. laughter. when you look— i get to do my obituary. laughter. when you look at _ i get to do my obituary. laughter. when you look at them _ i get to do my obituary. laughter. when you look at them now, - i get to do my obituary. laughter. when you look at them now, what l when you look at them now, what do you think? she when you look at them now, what do ou think? ,, ., ., «a when you look at them now, what do ou think? ,, ., ., ~ when you look at them now, what do ou think? ,, ~ , �*, you think? she looks like she's havin: you think? she looks like she's having the _ you think? she looks like she's having the time _ you think? she looks like she's having the time of— you think? she looks like she's having the time of her- you think? she looks like she's having the time of her life. - you think? she looks like she's having the time of her life. i i having the time of her life. i think there could've been deeper, but was very young. i think i could've played it more, don't go in front of the camera. but my personality was hot on the screen. we went on for 25 years, so i could have changed, but didn't know they would keep saying... sol didn't know they would keep saying... so i kept dancing. people either got tired or a man comes along and takes her time slot. again, not upset, got a new life. but if i didn't, i'd be quite bitter. but ifi didn't, i'd be quite bitter. , ., , bitter. clive, you visited some massive stars _

bitter. clive, you visited some massive stars of _ bitter. clive, you visited some massive stars of their - bitter. clive, you visited some massive stars of their day. - bitter. clive, you visited some. massive stars of their day. how bitter. clive, you visited some - massive stars of their day. how did you get access to some of these people? it you get access to some of these --eole? ., , you get access to some of these eo le? ., , ., you get access to some of these n-eole? . , . ., ., people? it was a combination of... it was people? it was a combination of... it was also — people? it was a combination of... it was also a _ people? it was a combination of... it was also a very _ people? it was a combination of... it was also a very distinct - people? it was a combination of... it was also a very distinct time - people? it was a combination of... it was also a very distinct time in l it was also a very distinct time in history— it was also a very distinct time in history because it was sort ofjust before _ history because it was sort ofjust before social media and the internet, and you'll remember this, julian _ internet, and you'll remember this, julian. when we had a guess, you would _ julian. when we had a guess, you would call— julian. when we had a guess, you would call up the library and you'd -et would call up the library and you'd get all— would call up the library and you'd get all the — would call up the library and you'd get all the photocopies of every article — get all the photocopies of every article. .. , get all the photocopies of every article. , ., , get all the photocopies of every article. .. , ., , ., article. sadly, i do remember that. we used to — article. sadly, i do remember that. we used to do research, _ article. sadly, i do remember that. we used to do research, and - article. sadly, i do remember that. we used to do research, and i- we used to do research, and i think we would _ we used to do research, and i think we would just... a lot of the american _ we would just... a lot of the american stars in those days, britain — american stars in those days, britain was sort of regarded as like doing _ britain was sort of regarded as like doing an _ britain was sort of regarded as like doing an advert injapan, they didn't— doing an advert injapan, they didn't really care. nowadays, because _ didn't really care. nowadays, because as soon as you do an interview. _ because as soon as you do an interview, it's on youtube, so it would _ interview, it's on youtube, so it would he — interview, it's on youtube, so it would be very, very hard to get the practice _ would be very, very hard to get the practice we — would be very, very hard to get the practice we did. ruby and i worked incredibly— practice we did. ruby and i worked incredibly hard and explored every

avenue, _ incredibly hard and explored every avenue, and ruby as a host, which you sometimes see, would be basically— you sometimes see, would be basically almost performing a one—woman shown for roseann or goldie. _ one—woman shown for roseann or goldie. and — one—woman shown for roseann or goldie, and those guest with think, "0h, _ goldie, and those guest with think, "oh. wow, — goldie, and those guest with think, "oh. wow, i— goldie, and those guest with think, "oh, wow, i got up my game." quite often, _ "oh, wow, i got up my game." quite often, we— "oh, wow, i got up my game." quite often, we will— "oh, wow, i got up my game." quite often, we will cut that out,... it often, we will cut that out,... [it was often, we will cut that out,... was always often, we will cut that out,... it was always an audition. yeah. l often, we will cut that out,... it - was always an audition. yeah. quite often, we didn't _ was always an audition. yeah. quite often, we didn't know. _ was always an audition. yeah. quite often, we didn't know. ruby - was always an audition. yeah. quite often, we didn't know. ruby would i often, we didn't know. ruby would say what _ often, we didn't know. ruby would say what can we do, and if i ask any more questions, they would shut door~ _ more questions, they would shut door~ i_ more questions, they would shut door~ i said — more questions, they would shut door. i said i would get her through the door. _ door. i said i would get her through the door, and the rest was up to her~ _ the door, and the rest was up to her~ i_ the door, and the rest was up to her~ i would _ the door, and the rest was up to her. i would carry a bag full of bibs _ her. i would carry a bag full of bibs and — her. i would carry a bag full of bibs and ruby would say, "can you go out on _ bibs and ruby would say, "can you go out on the _ bibs and ruby would say, "can you go out on the street?" sharon would say no. out on the street?" sharon would say no she _ out on the street?" sharon would say no. she asked what if she wore a beard _

no. she asked what if she wore a beard. ~ . , . , beard. we had instincts. the interviews — beard. we had instincts. the interviews were _ beard. we had instincts. the| interviews were ten minutes, beard. we had instincts. the - interviews were ten minutes, but if you keep making them laugh, they tell their pr to go away. but i knew something would happen with pamela if we got on that i could play her body double. grab my red bathing suit, but ijust had a baby. my boss went down to my knees, and pamela said she could play my body double. that kind of approach is unimaginable now. with social media, you couldn't do that any more. i you couldn't do that any more. i just think there's so much control and so _ just think there's so much control and so much... you just couldn't get the access — and so much... you just couldn't get the access. the reason this series came _ the access. the reason this series came track— the access. the reason this series came back was that we started to look into— came back was that we started to look into our commissioning editor,

who was— look into our commissioning editor, who was a _ look into our commissioning editor, who was a big ruby fan. we were going _ who was a big ruby fan. we were going to — who was a big ruby fan. we were going to try and see some of pamela and roseanne, and a couple were interesting. then the pandemic happen. — interesting. then the pandemic happen, so we thought about, let's 'ust happen, so we thought about, let's just go— happen, so we thought about, let's just go back and look at the arc five _ just go back and look at the arc five -- — just go back and look at the arc five. —— archive. we were up and running — five. -- archive. we were up and runninu. ., , ., ., ., running. you use the word audition. i think running. you use the word audition. i think there — running. you use the word audition. i think there was _ running. you use the word audition. i think there was a _ running. you use the word audition. i think there was a sense _ running. you use the word audition. i think there was a sense of how - running. you use the word audition. j i think there was a sense of how the camera crew operated. there was a degree of auditioning of how they did theirjobs.— degree of auditioning of how they did theirjobs. did their “obs. ruby would say, and she was did theirjobs. ruby would say, and she was right. _ did theirjobs. ruby would say, and she was right, some _ did theirjobs. ruby would say, and she was right, some cameramen i did theirjobs. ruby would say, and - she was right, some cameramen aren't listening _ she was right, some cameramen aren't listening and _ she was right, some cameramen aren't listening and can't do it. we would audition _ listening and can't do it. we would audition the camera men and women and they— audition the camera men and women and they would come around to ruby's house. _ and they would come around to ruby's house. and _ and they would come around to ruby's house, and we would walk around the house _ house, and we would walk around the house and _ house, and we would walk around the house and they would have to film us. house and they would have to film us if _ house and they would have to film us if ruby — house and they would have to film us. if ruby told them to look at a picture. — us. if ruby told them to look at a picture. if— us. if ruby told them to look at a picture, if they even swing the camera — picture, if they even swing the camera and come back to see our reaction. — camera and come back to see our reaction, they didn't make the

squad — reaction, they didn't make the s: uad. ~ . reaction, they didn't make the suuad. . . ., reaction, they didn't make the suuad. ~ . ., ., ., squad. we wanted the camera to have a personality. — squad. we wanted the camera to have a personality. not— squad. we wanted the camera to have a personality, notjust _ squad. we wanted the camera to have a personality, notjust a _ squad. we wanted the camera to have a personality, notjust a piece - squad. we wanted the camera to have a personality, notjust a piece of - a personality, notjust a piece of dead meat. a personality, not 'ust a piece of dead math dead meat. layla, given that celebrities _ dead meat. layla, given that celebrities in _ dead meat. layla, given that celebrities in that _ dead meat. layla, given that celebrities in that kind - dead meat. layla, given that celebrities in that kind of- dead meat. layla, given that. celebrities in that kind of format were much more prepared to let their guards down to a good degree, perhaps over no way they have it much before, did that lead us down a route towards programme like i'm a surreal dirty thereafter —— i'm a celebrity? iiii surreal dirty thereafter -- i'm a celebrity?— celebrity? if you know this, i'm sure. celebrity? if you know this, i'm sure- jim _ celebrity? if you know this, i'm sure. jim allen, _ celebrity? if you know this, i'm sure. jim allen, whose - celebrity? if you know this, i'm sure. jim allen, whose is - celebrity? if you know this, i'm - sure. jim allen, whose is someone we all know— sure. jim allen, whose is someone we all know very — sure. jim allen, whose is someone we all know very well, _ sure. jim allen, whose is someone we all know very well, watched _ sure. jim allen, whose is someone we all know very well, watched the - all know very well, watched the programme _ all know very well, watched the programme that— all know very well, watched the programme that clive _ all know very well, watched the | programme that clive produced. all know very well, watched the - programme that clive produced. sat up programme that clive produced. sat up and _ programme that clive produced. sat up and said — programme that clive produced. sat up and said what— programme that clive produced. sat up and said what happens— programme that clive produced. sat up and said what happens if- programme that clive produced. sat up and said what happens if it's - programme that clive produced. sat up and said what happens if it's noti up and said what happens if it's not 'ust up and said what happens if it's not just joanna — up and said what happens if it's not justjoanna. what— up and said what happens if it's not justjoanna. what happened - up and said what happens if it's not justjoanna. what happened if- up and said what happens if it's not justjoanna. what happened if you. justjoanna. what happened if you take celebrities. _ justjoanna. what happened if you take celebrities. it's— justjoanna. what happened if you take celebrities. it's not— take celebrities. it's not necessarily— take celebrities. it's not necessarily from - take celebrities. it's not necessarily from the - take celebrities. it's not- necessarily from the celebrity interview. _ necessarily from the celebrity interview, but _ necessarily from the celebrity interview, but it's _ necessarily from the celebrity

interview, but it's from - necessarily from the celebrity interview, but it's from that l interview, but it's from that programming _ interview, but it's from that programming in— interview, but it's from thati programming in that instinct interview, but it's from that - programming in that instinct which is about— programming in that instinct which is about saying. _ programming in that instinct which is about saying, and _ programming in that instinct which is about saying, and that _ programming in that instinct which is about saying, and that is- programming in that instinct which is about saying, and that is why i l is about saying, and that is why i think— is about saying, and that is why i think this — is about saying, and that is why i think this show _ is about saying, and that is why i think this show indoors - is about saying, and that is why i think this show indoors today. i is about saying, and that is why i l think this show indoors today. it's notjust_ think this show indoors today. it's not just reality _ think this show indoors today. it's not just reality concept. _ think this show indoors today. it's not just reality concept. you - think this show indoors today. it's notjust reality concept. you think they are _ notjust reality concept. you think they are normally— notjust reality concept. you think they are normally pampered, - notjust reality concept. you think| they are normally pampered, then what was — they are normally pampered, then what was happening _ they are normally pampered, then what was happening as _ they are normally pampered, then what was happening as a - they are normally pampered, then what was happening as a result. . they are normally pampered, then i what was happening as a result. that show— what was happening as a result. that show is _ what was happening as a result. that show is now— what was happening as a result. that show is now in— what was happening as a result. that show is now in its... _ what was happening as a result. that show is now in its... can— what was happening as a result. that show is now in its... can even- show is now in its... can even remember— show is now in its... can even remember how— show is now in its... can even remember how many- show is now in its... can evenl remember how many seasons. show is now in its... can even- remember how many seasons. that still runs— remember how many seasons. that still runs through. _ remember how many seasons. that still runs through. that's _ remember how many seasons. that still runs through. that's why- remember how many seasons. that still runs through. that's why i- still runs through. that's why i think— still runs through. that's why i think people _ still runs through. that's why i think people still— still runs through. that's why i think people still watch - still runs through. that's why i think people still watch it, - still runs through. that's why i think people still watch it, and still runs through. that's why i. think people still watch it, and it is very— think people still watch it, and it is very revealing. _ think people still watch it, and it is very revealing. and _ think people still watch it, and it is very revealing. and not - think people still watch it, and it is very revealing. and not only . think people still watch it, and it| is very revealing. and not only in a bad way _ is very revealing. and not only in a bad way. people meet— is very revealing. and not only in a bad way. people meet characters i is very revealing. and not only in a i bad way. people meet characters who are more _ bad way. people meet characters who are more rounded _ bad way. people meet characters who are more rounded than— bad way. people meet characters who are more rounded than they- bad way. people meet characters who are more rounded than they thought i are more rounded than they thought and that— are more rounded than they thought and that becomes _ are more rounded than they thought and that becomes part— are more rounded than they thought and that becomes part of— are more rounded than they thought and that becomes part of their- and that becomes part of their career~ — and that becomes part of their career~ some _ and that becomes part of their career. some people - and that becomes part of their career. some people do- and that becomes part of their| career. some people do reveal and that becomes part of their. career. some people do reveal a different— career. some people do reveal a different side _ career. some people do reveal a different side of— career. some people do reveal a different side of their— career. some people do reveal a different side of their selves. - career. some people do reveal a| different side of their selves. but it all stems — different side of their selves. but it all stems definitely _ different side of their selves. but it all stems definitely from - it all stems definitely from the sort of—

it all stems definitely from the sort of interviews _ it all stems definitely from the sort of interviews that - it all stems definitely from the sort of interviews that ruby's i it all stems definitely from the i sort of interviews that ruby's has been _ sort of interviews that ruby's has been doing _ sort of interviews that ruby's has been doing leit— sort of interviews that ruby's has been doing-— been doing. let stay with you because all — been doing. let stay with you because all given _ been doing. let stay with you because all given us - been doing. let stay with you because all given us some . been doing. let stay with you - because all given us some context to what we're talking about. layla, we are in this period where there are clearly others you can add to this list of programmes. and i slightly suggested there might be lack of ideas as part of the reason for that happening. is that fair was green i'm going to say absolutely not. i thought you might.— i'm going to say absolutely not. i thought you might. because there are not 'ust in thought you might. because there are notjust in our— thought you might. because there are notjust in our companies, _ thought you might. because there are notjust in our companies, across - notjust in our companies, across the whole — notjust in our companies, across the whole industry, _ notjust in our companies, across the whole industry, there - notjust in our companies, across the whole industry, there are - the whole industry, there are brilliant — the whole industry, there are brilliant individual— the whole industry, there are brilliant individual innovative | brilliant individual innovative thinkers _ brilliant individual innovative thinkers. sit _ brilliant individual innovative thinkers. sit and _ brilliant individual innovative thinkers. sit and think- brilliant individual innovative i thinkers. sit and think there's brilliant individual innovative - thinkers. sit and think there's only so many— thinkers. sit and think there's only so many subject_ thinkers. sit and think there's only so many subject matters _ thinkers. sit and think there's only so many subject matters in-

thinkers. sit and think there's only so many subject matters in areas. | so many subject matters in areas. there _ so many subject matters in areas. there is— so many subject matters in areas. there is risk— so many subject matters in areas. there is risk around _ so many subject matters in areas. there is risk around everything. so many subject matters in areas. there is risk around everything inl there is risk around everything in broadcasting. _ there is risk around everything in broadcasting, because _ there is risk around everything in. broadcasting, because broadcasters always— broadcasting, because broadcasters always want— broadcasting, because broadcasters always want viewers _ broadcasting, because broadcasters always want viewers to _ broadcasting, because broadcasters always want viewers to watch, - broadcasting, because broadcasters always want viewers to watch, and i always want viewers to watch, and even _ always want viewers to watch, and even if _ always want viewers to watch, and even if it's — always want viewers to watch, and even if it's a — always want viewers to watch, and even if it's a public— always want viewers to watch, and even if it's a public service - even if it's a public service broadcast. _ even if it's a public service broadcast, they— even if it's a public service broadcast, they want - even if it's a public service broadcast, they want the i even if it's a public service - broadcast, they want the right viewers — broadcast, they want the right viewers to— broadcast, they want the right viewers to watch. _ broadcast, they want the right viewers to watch. that - broadcast, they want the right viewers to watch. that i- broadcast, they want the right viewers to watch. that i think| broadcast, they want the right - viewers to watch. that i think leads people _ viewers to watch. that i think leads people to _ viewers to watch. that i think leads people to understandably... - viewers to watch. that i think leads people to understandably... it - viewers to watch. that i think leadsl people to understandably... it leads people _ people to understandably... it leads people to _ people to understandably... it leads people to kind of— people to understandably... it leads people to kind of play— people to understandably... it leads people to kind of play the _ people to understandably... it leads people to kind of play the game. - people to kind of play the game. i also want — people to kind of play the game. i also want to— people to kind of play the game. i also want to know _ people to kind of play the game. i also want to know that _ people to kind of play the game. i also want to know that i'm - people to kind of play the game. i also want to know that i'm going i also want to know that i'm going going _ also want to know that i'm going going to — also want to know that i'm going going to hit _ also want to know that i'm going going to hit- - -— also want to know that i'm going going to hit... mark you have both conditions and _ going to hit... mark you have both conditions and pitched, _ going to hit... mark you have both conditions and pitched, so - going to hit... mark you have both conditions and pitched, so use - going to hit... mark you have both conditions and pitched, so use on | conditions and pitched, so use on other side. conditions and pitched, so use on otherside. . conditions and pitched, so use on other side- -_ conditions and pitched, so use on other side. . yeah, i have. ithank to set it -- _

other side. . yeah, i have. ithank to set it -- layla _ other side. . yeah, i have. ithank to set it -- layla said _ other side. . yeah, i have. ithank to set it -- layla said it _ to set it —— layla said it perfectly. you're looking at safe bet and looking to innovate. if someone presents something to you thatis someone presents something to you that is familiar, that will pr itself in the way that changing rooms has, they're all short cuts to get an audience to them. you've still got to deliver the goods. your mention of — still got to deliver the goods. your mention of money, _ still got to deliver the goods. your mention of money, changing rooms this time around is made in partnership with a paint company, which would not be allowed on the bbc. did that make any difference? yes. i think it definitely does. i absolutely don't think it's the only reason. i've done a lot of programming. i commissioned a number of broadcast. i'm really interested in this area. we took the decision to take changing rooms out and

presented to channel for with money attached. i've pitched other ideas with a tonne of money attacks. in a way it doesn't matter —— money attached. they're making a saving. layla knows this from itv. the risk you run in terms of your viewers and not getting an audience, the brand didn't fund all of it. i think that's true with all at funky programming. the channel needs to pay some cash. programming. the channel needs to pay some cash-— pay some cash. clive, looking back to the interviews, _ pay some cash. clive, looking back to the interviews, clearly some - pay some cash. clive, looking back to the interviews, clearly some ofl to the interviews, clearly some of that wasn't sheep. you are jetting off all over the world without much warning —— wasn't cheap. brute off all over the world without much warning -- wasn't cheap.— warning -- wasn't cheap. we were luc . it warning -- wasn't cheap. we were lucky. it was... _ warning -- wasn't cheap. we were lucky. it was... we _ warning -- wasn't cheap. we were lucky. it was... we had _ warning -- wasn't cheap. we were

lucky. it was... we had a - warning -- wasn't cheap. we were lucky. it was... we had a pretty i lucky. it was... we had a pretty good _ lucky. it was... we had a pretty good budget. it was bbc one prime time _ good budget. it was bbc one prime time i_ good budget. it was bbc one prime time. i don't know we were making in south _ time. i don't know we were making in south we _ time. i don't know we were making in south... we flew to manila, ten of us, south... we flew to manila, ten of us. and _ south... we flew to manila, ten of us. and we'd — south... we flew to manila, ten of us, and we'd been off for half an hour~ _ us, and we'd been off for half an houn us, and we'd been off for half an hour. .. us, and we'd been off for half an hour. ~ . ,, ., hour. clive kicks me in like someone who says- -- — hour. clive kicks me in like someone who says- -- it's _ hour. clive kicks me in like someone who says... it'sjust _ hour. clive kicks me in like someone who says... it'sjust cruel. _ hour. clive kicks me in like someone who says... it'sjust cruel. go - who says... it's just cruel. go ahead. who says... it's 'ust cruel. go ahead. , who says... it's 'ust cruel. go ahead. _ ., “ ., ahead. ruby said to me, "go and get some jewellery- _ ahead. ruby said to me, "go and get some jewellery. i've _ ahead. ruby said to me, "go and get some jewellery. i've got _ ahead. ruby said to me, "go and get some jewellery. i've got to _ some jewellery. i've got to where good _ some jewellery. i've got to where good jewellery. " some jewellery. i've got to where good jewellery." we went to see theo. _ good jewellery." we went to see theo. and — good jewellery." we went to see theo, and he lent us £200,000 worth ofjewellery~ _ theo, and he lent us £200,000 worth ofjewellery. ruby dripped into the flat, ofjewellery. ruby dripped into the flat. and _ ofjewellery. ruby dripped into the flat, and in the first half hour, i mailed — flat, and in the first half hour, i mailed the _ flat, and in the first half hour, i mailed the clocks the jury ——

it wasn't just the door lori. that was really a lot of four play. just gushing and loving her and never asking the question that would offend her. we tried to create the image... and clive put the hello magazine in her garbage can with a picture of me on the front. i know you did that, clive. she picked it up you did that, clive. she picked it up and thought i was just a journalist. from that moment, she took my hand, she took me to parliament, she covered me in her jewellery. clive, that was clever.

ruby, i was wondering like those in front of the camera. we talked about changing trends and programmes being reinvented and coming back. how much are you conscious of that need to adapt as fashions change in terms of what you do in front of the camera? well, i wanted to produce after my show finish. i constantly like to reinvent. i wouldn't have minded being behind the camera and working for a production company. heat being behind the camera and working for a production company.— for a production company. next time i for a production company. next time i present--- — for a production company. next time i present... clive _ for a production company. next time i present. .. clive will— for a production company. next time i present... clive will do _ for a production company. next time i present... clive will do anything - i present... clive will do anything but... i present... clive will do anything but- -- that _ i present... clive will do anything but... that was _ i present... clive will do anything but... that was too _ i present... clive will do anything but... that was too much - i present... clive will do anything but... that was too much fun. i l but... that was too much fun. i can't get anything five minutes. i need to move in. that doesn't exist any more. i need to move in. that doesn't exist an more. , , need to move in. that doesn't exist an more. , , .,, ., any more. i suppose i was getting at we've talked —

any more. i suppose i was getting at we've talked about _ any more. i suppose i was getting at we've talked about rebooting - we've talked about rebooting programmes, but do people in the camera have to acknowledge the need to reboot as well? it j camera have to acknowledge the need to reboot as well?— to reboot as well? if i was doing more, to reboot as well? if i was doing more. but _ to reboot as well? if i was doing more. but i'm — to reboot as well? if i was doing more, but i'm not— to reboot as well? if i was doing more, but i'm not that - to reboot as well? if i was doing l more, but i'm not that interested. these were movie stars with skills, and the thrill of spending time with them will never happen again. so, i wouldn't even know... i would invent something else. wouldn't even know... i would invent something else-— something else. layla, how much further do you _ something else. layla, how much further do you think _ something else. layla, how much further do you think this - something else. layla, how much| further do you think this rebooting trend has got to go?— trend has got to go? well, i think it will be--- _ trend has got to go? well, i think it will be... i— trend has got to go? well, i think it will be... i don't _ trend has got to go? well, i think it will be... i don't want - trend has got to go? well, i think it will be... i don't want to - trend has got to go? well, i think it will be... i don't want to write i it will be... i don't want to write off the _ it will be... i don't want to write off the reboots _ it will be... i don't want to write off the reboots that _ it will be... i don't want to write off the reboots that are - it will be... i don't want to write off the reboots that are coming i off the reboots that are coming because — off the reboots that are coming because i— off the reboots that are coming because i know— off the reboots that are coming because i know you've - off the reboots that are coming because i know you've listed i off the reboots that are coming i because i know you've listed them, but i because i know you've listed them, but i think— because i know you've listed them, but i think there _ because i know you've listed them, but i think there was _ because i know you've listed them, but i think there was also _ because i know you've listed them, but i think there was also — - because i know you've listed them, but i think there was also — and ii but i think there was also — and i hate _ but i think there was also — and i hate this— but i think there was also — and i hate this word _ but i think there was also — and i hate this word — _ but i think there was also — and i hate this word — but _ but i think there was also — and i hate this word — but there - but i think there was also — and i hate this word — but there was . hate this word — but there was also a covid _ hate this word — but there was also a covid thing — hate this word — but there was also a covid thing here. _ hate this word — but there was also a covid thing here. there _ hate this word — but there was also a covid thing here. there were i a covid thing here. there were certain— a covid thing here. there were certain shows, _ a covid thing here. there were certain shows, and _ a covid thing here. there were certain shows, and i— a covid thing here. there were certain shows, and i think- a covid thing here. there were certain shows, and i think it'si certain shows, and i think it's great — certain shows, and i think it's great to— certain shows, and i think it's great to do— certain shows, and i think it's great to do a _ certain shows, and i think it's great to do a show— certain shows, and i think it's great to do a show that - certain shows, and i think it's great to do a show that you . certain shows, and i think it's i great to do a show that you know. but it's _ great to do a show that you know. but it's fine — great to do a show that you know. but it's fine because _ great to do a show that you know. but it's fine because you know i great to do a show that you know. j but it's fine because you know the show _ but it's fine because you know the show if _ but it's fine because you know the show if you — but it's fine because you know the show. if you put— but it's fine because you know the

show. if you put a _ but it's fine because you know the show. if you put a new _ but it's fine because you know the show. if you put a new show - but it's fine because you know the show. if you put a new show that. show. if you put a new show that probably — show. if you put a new show that probably would _ show. if you put a new show that probably would be _ show. if you put a new show that probably would be or— show. if you put a new show that probably would be or better with| show. if you put a new show that i probably would be or better with an audience. _ probably would be or better with an audience. that— probably would be or better with an audience, that might _ probably would be or better with an audience, that might affect - probably would be or better with an audience, that might affect it doingj audience, that might affect it doing well. audience, that might affect it doing welt you _ audience, that might affect it doing welt you don't— audience, that might affect it doing well. you don't want _ audience, that might affect it doing well. you don't want to _ audience, that might affect it doing well. you don't want to take - audience, that might affect it doing well. you don't want to take that i well. you don't want to take that risk _ well. you don't want to take that risk i_ well. you don't want to take that risk ithink— well. you don't want to take that risk. i think that _ well. you don't want to take that risk. i think that have _ well. you don't want to take that risk. i think that have been - well. you don't want to take that risk. i think that have been quitej well. you don't want to take that i risk. i think that have been quite a lot during — risk. i think that have been quite a lot during covid, _ risk. i think that have been quite a lot during covid, and _ risk. i think that have been quite a lot during covid, and i— risk. i think that have been quite a lot during covid, and i don't mean| lot during covid, and i don't mean 'ust lot during covid, and i don't mean just with _ lot during covid, and i don't mean just with game _ lot during covid, and i don't mean just with game shows, _ lot during covid, and i don't mean just with game shows, but - lot during covid, and i don't mean| just with game shows, but a sense lot during covid, and i don't mean i just with game shows, but a sense of familiarity. _ just with game shows, but a sense of familiarity. of— just with game shows, but a sense of familiarity, of people _ just with game shows, but a sense of familiarity, of people going _ just with game shows, but a sense of familiarity, of people going back- just with game shows, but a sense of familiarity, of people going back to. familiarity, of people going back to what they— familiarity, of people going back to what they know _ familiarity, of people going back to what they know. i— familiarity, of people going back to what they know. i think _ familiarity, of people going back to what they know. i think that's i what they know. i think that's playing — what they know. i think that's playing out _ what they know. i think that's playing out now _ what they know. i think that's playing out now across - what they know. i think that's playing out now across our. playing out now across our schedules. _ playing out now across our schedules, and _ playing out now across our schedules, and i— playing out now across our schedules, and i think... l playing out now across our. schedules, and i think... the playing out now across our- schedules, and i think... the reboot will always— schedules, and i think... the reboot will always happen _ schedules, and i think... the reboot will always happen because - schedules, and i think... the reboot will always happen because it's i will always happen because it's happened — will always happen because it's happened forever— will always happen because it's happened forever and - will always happen because it's happened forever and people l will always happen because it's . happened forever and people will always. _ happened forever and people will always. if— happened forever and people will always, if there _ happened forever and people will always, if there is _ happened forever and people will always, if there is a _ happened forever and people will always, if there is a new- happened forever and people will always, if there is a new way- happened forever and people will always, if there is a new way of. always, if there is a new way of doing _ always, if there is a new way of doing old. _ always, if there is a new way of doing old. why— always, if there is a new way of doing old, why not? _ always, if there is a new way of doing old, why not? i think- always, if there is a new way of doing old, why not? i think wel doing old, why not? i think we might see a _ doing old, why not? i think we might see a switch— doing old, why not? i think we might see a switch back _ doing old, why not? i think we might see a switch back into _ doing old, why not? i think we might see a switch back into more - see a switch back into more originality _ see a switch back into more originality i— see a switch back into more originality. ithink— see a switch back into more| originality. i think that crest might— originality. i think that crest might change _ originality. i think that crest might change now— originality. i think that crest might change now because. originality. i think that crest might change now because i originality. i think that crest - might change now because i think covid _ might change now because i think covid made — might change now because i think covid made people _ might change now because i think covid made people more - might change now because i think- covid made people more risk—averse. that's— covid made people more risk—averse. that's all— covid made people more risk—averse. that's all we — covid made people more risk—averse. that's all we have _ covid made people more risk—averse. that's all we have time _ covid made people more risk—averse. that's all we have time for _ covid made people more risk—averse. that's all we have time for today. i that's all we have time for today. thank you to all my guess — ruby wax, clive tulloh, layla smith and

mark sammon. the media show back at the same time next week, so thanks very much for watching and goodbye. hello there. our blocking area of high pressure has been with us for quite a while and indeed it's going to stick around not just for this weekend, even into next weekend and to the start of september as well. so for at least the next seven days, our high pressure will be with us bringing mainly dry conditions with some good spells of sunshine. not wall—to—wall sunshine. patchy cloud will be affecting some areas particularly across northern and eastern areas. so for saturday, then, of course for many of us, this is bank holiday weekend. it's starting off on a fine and settled note. a little bit of mist and sea fog affecting coastal parts of scotland, northern ireland and more of a breeze to get across

the southeast corners. just an outside chance of a shower, just grazing the very far south of england. most places will be dry. quite a bit of sunshine around and quite a warm air mass with us to start the weekend. in fact, saturday looks like being the warmest day of the weekend — we could see the mid—20s there for parts of scotland, perhaps even into southern and southwestern england and wales, too. as we head through saturday night, we start to see this low cloud and this rolling back in. in fact, it could be quite cloudy across many northern ourarea of high pressure still with us. anchored to the northwest of the uk, that will feed in north easterly breeze is right across the country. but most noticeable and strongest across eastern and strongest across eastern scotland, eastern england where we continue to feed and cloud to the day. could see a bit more cloud around scotland, northern ireland, perhaps north eastern england on sunday. probably the best of the sunshine sheltered. southern and western areas will see the best temperatures, 21, 20 2 degrees a bit lower than that further north and east. so i think sunday generally not as warm as saturday. as we head on into monday of course a bank holiday monday for many of us, we'd still get our area of high—pressure

sitting in pretty much the same position. that will feed in further north, northeasterly winds and feed in more cloud. i think at the moment the models want to go for monday a rather cloudy day across the board. glimmers of sunshine, best of it across southwestern areas perhaps central western scotland. temperatures will be lower be because of more cloud around. 15—20 degrees degrees and certainly feeling cooler along the north sea coast with that onshore breeze. enter tuesday, area of high pressure still with us keeping the weather systems out at bay. so, another largely dry day for tuesday again. variable, patchy cloud. could be quite cloudy and grey in some areas. sunshine tending to break through particularly through the central belt of scotland. perhaps even towards the southwest for england, south wales too. temperatures at best 19 or 20 degrees cooler along the northern and eastern coasts. spot the difference into wednesday. this is the 1st of september. our area of high pressure still with us bringing fine and settled weather with this area of low pressure is starting to get a force out in the atlantic. wednesday another

breezy day down eastern coasts, particularly towards the southeast and again variable cloud with sunny spells, difficult to pinpoint where the cloud and where the sunshine will be this far out, but it this far out, but it looks like northern thereafter towards the end of the week, it looks like our area of high pressure eventually breaks down and moved away and allows low pressure to move in off the atlantic. so at least for the next seven, eight days our blocking area of high pressure will bring more fine and settled weather and then weekend, it could start to turn more unsettled as low pressure moves into bring in increasing chance of more showers.

tonight at ten, britain's airlift in afghanistan starts to wind down as the government admit some of those able to leave or be left behind. the raf has evacuated more than ilt,ooo people in the last two weeks on the government pledges to help those who didn't make it. we will shift heaven and earth to help them get out, we will do whatever we can in the second phase. hospitals struggle with the wounded after the airport bombing, two uk nationals and the child of a british citizen are among the dead. those killed in this _ citizen are among the dead. those killed in this awful— citizen are among the dead. those killed in this awful attack - citizen are among the dead. those killed in this awful attack were i killed in this awful attack were trying to escape years of violence in afghanistan. instead, they became the latest victims in a country torn apart by bloodshed.

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