this is bbc news, the headlines at 5pm... the government's scientific advisers say they won't recommend giving covid vaccines to all 12—15—year—olds because there would only be a "marginal gain." experts say there was a lot to weigh up. if we're going to vaccinate our children, it's got to really be in their interests, and not in a society's interests, to vaccinate them. and we'll be talking with professor adam finn, from thejoint committee on vaccination and immunisation, who made the recommendation in the next few minutes. ministers consider raising national insurance to fund social care reform, despite a conservative election promise not to increase taxes. police shoot dead a violent extremist who stabbed and injured six people in new zealand.

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discussions with his counterpart in pakistan about securing safe passage from afghanistan for people entitled to settle in the uk. with kabul�*s airport still closed, pakistan is crucial in the mission to help people flee afghanistan because the two nations share a land border. there are already about three million afghan refugees in pakistan. mr raab told a news conference in islamabad that britain was sending £30 million of aid to help afghanistan's neighbours cope with those fleeing the country. he also said uk experts were heading to the region to co—ordinate efforts. our reporter shumaila jaffrey travelled with the foreign secretary and has sent this report from islamabad. relations are frosty, but the spotlight is back on pakistan's popular great to see you. it was a first high—level visit of any british dignitary to the country since the taliban have taken over on the other side. not far from this border, the foreign secretary dominic raab visited, as he landed in pakistan. i

dominic raab visited, as he landed in pakistan-— in pakistan. i do want to understand... _ in pakistan. i do want to understand... back- in pakistan. i do want to i understand... back home, in pakistan. i do want to - understand... back home, he had in pakistan. i do want to _ understand... back home, he had a difficult week _ understand... back home, he had a difficult week when _ understand... back home, he had a difficult week when he _ understand... back home, he had a difficult week when he had - understand... back home, he had a difficult week when he had to - understand... back home, he had a difficult week when he had to face l difficult week when he had to face tough questions by the mps at the foreign affairs select committee about his handling of the afghan situation. now he's trying to control the damage.- situation. now he's trying to control the damage. these are early da s, but control the damage. these are early days. but the _ control the damage. these are early days, but the taliban _ control the damage. these are early days, but the taliban have _ control the damage. these are early days, but the taliban have made - control the damage. these are early days, but the taliban have made a l days, but the taliban have made a series of assurances and commitments. we want to be able to test whether they will live up to them — and probably the first big test will be allowing safe passage of nationals and those that have worked for the uk and other countries out of the country. this is pakistan's _ countries out of the country. this is pakistan's border— countries out of the country. this is pakistan's border with afghanistan. if things become increasingly unstable they are, it matters for the region and the world. pakistan has defences running through the length of this border, but the real worry here is about extremists from groups like is and al-qaeda spilling over the border. the foreign secretary held meetings with pakistani leadership, including prime minister imran khan. at a

joint press conference with pakistan's foreign ministers, dominic raab said britain had released the first charge of humanitarian aid assistance for afghanistan's neighbours who may have to bear the brunt. irate afghanistan's neighbours who may have to bear the brunt.— afghanistan's neighbours who may have to bear the brunt. we would be willin: not have to bear the brunt. we would be willing not to — have to bear the brunt. we would be willing not to fund _ have to bear the brunt. we would be willing not to fund the taliban, - have to bear the brunt. we would be willing not to fund the taliban, but l willing not to fund the taliban, but through the humanitarian organisations that operate inside afghanistan. forthat organisations that operate inside afghanistan. for that to happen, there needs to be a safe and secure environment. so again, that's an early test for the taliban. but we are willing to make sure we do our bit with international community. pakistan has said it will not allow more refugees inside the country. a few thousand did manage to enter last week from the german border. the un fears around 5 million afghans can seek refuge in neighbouring countries in the days to come. and pakistan holds the key. sharmila jeffrey, bbc news. the uk's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged

12—15 years old on health grounds alone. but thejoint committee on vaccination and immunisation concluded that the benefit of vaccinating healthy people within this age group only shows a "marginal gain" — but that's insufficient to support a universal offer of a vaccine. ministers across the uk have asked chief medical officers to consider wider issues including disruption to schools to look at whether that tips the balance. meanwhile, an extra 200,000 teens with underlying conditions will now be eligible for two doses. jim reed is here. we've got quite a few questions from viewers care about this. it's been a long time coming, this decision?— about this. it's been a long time coming, this decision? longer than some peeple _ coming, this decision? longer than some people suspected _ coming, this decision? longer than some people suspected or - coming, this decision? longer than some people suspected or wanted. j some people suspected or wanted. there's been a lot of pressure on these scientists that came out with this recommendation. we had the education secretary for england, gavin williamson, this week strongly

hinting this decision should have been the other way around, and really, he wanted young people to be offered a vaccine, all healthy young people. so there's been a lot of pressure on this group but they finally came to a decision. they said the reason they took so long was because they were waiting for new data to come through. you hinted at this in the introduction, but they've been weighing up the possible balance of the benefits of the vaccine and possible harms of the vaccine and possible harms of the vaccine and possible harms of the vaccine to that age group. it's very difficult because both numbers are incredibly low, we know that the risk of a severe covid infection to children is low, we also know that the risk of side effects is quite low. so it's been tough to measure those two to really see if it's worth giving them the vaccine are not. ~ , , , worth giving them the vaccine are not. i, ,, worth giving them the vaccine are not. i, not. why is this process being so drawn out _ not. why is this process being so drawn out and _ not. why is this process being so drawn out and taking _ not. why is this process being so drawn out and taking so - not. why is this process being so drawn out and taking so long - not. why is this process being so i drawn out and taking so long when other countries have managed to make a decision? there is that moral ethical dilemma — do you vaccinate children if it's really to protect other people, isn't it?- other people, isn't it? that's riaht, other people, isn't it? that's right. it's — other people, isn't it? that's right. it's a _ other people, isn't it? that's right, it's a really _ other people, isn't it? that's right, it's a really good - other people, isn't it? that's i right, it's a really good question because other countries have moved

much faster than the uk on this. in the us, they've been vaccinating 12-15 the us, they've been vaccinating 12—15 —year—olds with the pfizer vaccine for months now. they've come to a similar decision in france and germany, it looks very likely that other european countries will follow suit. but we haven't followed that decision here at least for the moment. what they've said is this is sort of a short—term decision that the health benefits at the moment don't look strong enough to outweigh any risks, though they said there is any risks, though they said there is a marginal benefit. but they'll go away and ask other scientists, the chief medical officer is for the four countries, to decide if the societal benefits are wider, given that vaccines prevents disruption in schools, tips about the other way. and we should get that decision in the next three have been four days. robin bailey says, why is no one talking about 12—15 —year—olds being

carriers on public transportation, shared by older people? and when they meet and visit their grandparents, for example? again, a reall aood grandparents, for example? again, a really good question, _ grandparents, for example? again, a really good question, and _ grandparents, for example? again, a really good question, and there's - really good question, and there's two answers to that. at the moment, thejcbi two answers to that. at the moment, thejcb i were tasked quite narrowly to look at one aspect, which is the health benefits or risks in particular to children, not the wider arguments of my vaccine in children, you can protect adults —— jc vi. in fact, the cfos are going to look at the benefits, and again, they've been told they should look at the benefits specifically on the harm to children, not if you're more likely to protect your grannie or mum if you potentially are betty protected —— better protected. they won't look at that. protected -- better protected. they won't look at that.— won't look at that. trevor clarke sa s, won't look at that. trevor clarke says. what's _ won't look at that. trevor clarke says, what's the _ won't look at that. trevor clarke says, what's the evidence - won't look at that. trevor clarke says, what's the evidence of - won't look at that. trevor clarke i says, what's the evidence of cobit latency and young people? this says, what's the evidence of cobit latency and young people?- latency and young people? this is the subject _ latency and young people? this is the subject of _ latency and young people? this is the subject of some _ latency and young people? this is the subject of some debate - latency and young people? this is the subject of some debate still, l the subject of some debate still, and we are 18 months into this pandemic. so latency is the period

in which, after you catch the virus, before you can transmit it to other people — obviously it's a very important figure because you want to know after you've been exposed to somebody on the train or in a school, how long have you got to self—isolate — when should you start a self isolation period? because there's some confusion about this latency period, we say you should start straightaway. at the moment, the best guess from the cdc in the united states is that you start this show symptoms around five days after contact — that can be as short as two days, and/or most likely to be infectious before you show symptoms. so for adults and children, it's likely to be a couple days after your exposed to the virus before you can pass it on, but wejust your exposed to the virus before you can pass it on, but we just aren't sure. can pass it on, but we 'ust aren't sure. �* , ., ., can pass it on, but we 'ust aren't sure. �*, ., ., , sure. it's not long either way, is it? debbie _ sure. it's not long either way, is it? debbie says,... _ sure. it's not long either way, is it? debbie says,... given - sure. it's not long either way, is it? debbie says,... given the i

sure. it's not long either way, is it? debbie says,... given the jc| sure. it's not long either way, is l it? debbie says,... given the jc vi it? debbie says,... given thejc vi decision and the risk of myocarditis after the second vaccine, especially in younger males, would it be advisable that he goes for the second dose or leaves at one? you can't advise and that medical aspect, but what are you thinking? i would put this —— i put this question to three people on thejc vi before this. myocarditis is one of the key side effects that that group of scientists were looking at. this is inflammation of the heart muscle and it's more common in young men, it appears, muscle and it's more common in young men, itappears, after muscle and it's more common in young men, it appears, after the second dose of the pfizer vaccine. it's important to say the rates are still very low, 20—30 people out of1 million that get this vaccine that suffer from this million that get this vaccine that sufferfrom this side million that get this vaccine that suffer from this side effect. it's not incredibly serious, most people bounce back quite quickly. but it's one thing scientists are looking at to say, this is the reason why16—17 —year—olds really haven't been after the second dose of the vaccine yet, though they may be in the future because there is concern over this potential side effect. in answer to

that question, the reason that listener's1li—year—old, healthy, probably already got a single dose of the vaccine is because healthy children are already being offered it if they are living with someone who is at greater risk of a serious covid infection. in that situation, the advice is still to get two doses, and the reason why is because scientists say it's the impact on the child again and the potential mental health effects — if they were to bring back covid and they were to infect a relative, and that relative where to get extremely sick, there would be an impact on that child, which is why the advice is to get both doses in that situation because it minimizes the chance of passing it minimizes the chance of passing it on. i know that's very complicated and it's quite a strange argument to understand, but that's what the scientists are staying at the moment. we what the scientists are staying at the moment-— what the scientists are staying at the moment. ~ , ., , , ., the moment. we probably dealt with this, michael— the moment. we probably dealt with this, michael asks, _ the moment. we probably dealt with this, michael asks, will— the moment. we probably dealt with this, michael asks, will 16-17- this, michael asks, will 16—17 —year—olds be offered a second dose,

and if yes, when? i -year-olds be offered a second dose, and if yes, when?— and if yes, when? i ask the jcvi about this. _ and if yes, when? i ask the jcvi about this, and _ and if yes, when? i ask the jcvi about this, and they _ and if yes, when? i ask the jcvi about this, and they said - and if yes, when? i ask the jcvi l about this, and they said the plan is still to offer the second dose. they don't know which vaccine or when exactly, they're waiting for more data about that side effect to come through before they make that decision. ,, ., , come through before they make that decision. ,, ., ., , come through before they make that decision. ., ., ., , , ., decision. steve asks, does this mean we should revisit _ decision. steve asks, does this mean we should revisit other— decision. steve asks, does this mean we should revisit other decisions - we should revisit other decisions made by the government regarding the vaccine out of the public has seen the truth about its effectiveness cancelo that's quite a loaded question. what the scientists would say is question. what the scientists would saj , ., question. what the scientists would sa j , ., ., say is that the truth of the effectiveness _ say is that the truth of the effectiveness of _ say is that the truth of the effectiveness of the - say is that the truth of the l effectiveness of the vaccine say is that the truth of the - effectiveness of the vaccine is already out there, they not revisiting this decision, it's a new decision. but what steve is getting out there is that there's another decision looming possibly next week about booster doses for people who are a bit older, 50—year—olds particularly. we are still waiting for that decision. and that is about the effectiveness of the vaccine and the effectiveness of the vaccine and the concerns that what is happening

over time is at the vaccines are becoming less effective potentially against the virus. now it's not a huge amount of evidence for that in this country, in israel where they were a lot earlier but there vaccine roll—out, there is some indication that the pfizer vaccine is becoming less effective over time — but then they were vaccinating with a three week gap between doses. we were vaccinating within 8—12 weeks, so we just can't be sure in this country as more research is going on. claudia asks, what does this mean for 12—15 —year—olds travelling abroad to countries such as germany which require quarantine for nonvaccinated travellers? it’s nonvaccinated travellers? it's actually a _ nonvaccinated travellers? it's actually a really _ nonvaccinated travellers? it�*s actually a really good question and one that hadn't occurred to me before — i looked at germany and that question is right, there's an interesting situation here where if you are under 12 and unvaccinated, you are under 12 and unvaccinated, you can enter germany as a tourist. but if you are over 12, according to the advice that i've got, you have

to self—isolate unless you are a resident of the country. so if you are going on holiday there, they could be a real problem at the moment. and these are the kinds of issues that will be thrown up by the fact that we've made a different decision on vaccinations to other european countries. deals will have to be made, transport ministers will have to talk to each other to sort this out. ., , , ,., , have to talk to each other to sort thisout. ._ , ,., this out. finally, giles asks, as i am immunosuppressed, - this out. finally, giles asks, as i am immunosuppressed, my - this out. finally, giles asks, as i - am immunosuppressed, my 14-year-old am immunosuppressed, my 14—year—old daughter has been offered a vaccine, what's the recommendation? so if you are immunosuppressed _ what's the recommendation? so if you are immunosuppressed at _ what's the recommendation? so if you are immunosuppressed at the - what's the recommendation? so if you l are immunosuppressed at the moment, the recommendation is for your daughter of 1a to get two doses of the vaccine, because you could bring it home and effectively pass it on to someone who is at severe risk of the disease. so again, this is different from the advice that's going on with 16—17 —year—olds, or at the moment the advice is just one dose. forthat at the moment the advice is just one dose. for that group who are living

with the immunosuppressed, the current advice as two doses. we covered a _ current advice as two doses. we covered a lot — current advice as two doses. we covered a lot there. jim, thanks. and in the next few minutes, we'll be speaking to adam finn, who sits on thejoint committee on vaccination and immunisation. so stay with us for that. staying with the pandemic, latest figures show a further 121 people have died within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test here in the uk. there have also been 42,076 new cases reported over the past 24—hour period. the government is being urged to increase taxes to fund social care, amid reports the government is on the verge of signing off a rise of at least 1% in national insurance rates. the former health secretary, jeremy hunt, said the government must "bite the bullet" and raise taxes because the sums needed for both nhs funding and social care were "eyewatering". but any increase in national insurance or income tax would breach the commitment the conservatives made in their election manifesto.

let's get more on this from our political correspondent damian grammaticas. yes, well we know that there has been much discussion going on behind the scenes in the government about reforming the social care system, and particularly how to finance that. now the agreement probably is that. now the agreement probably is that this has to happen, but how to do it? the tricky thing here for the government is that they have a manifesto commitment from 2019 not to raise taxes or vat income tax, or national insurance — but equally a pledge made by borisjohnson on his first day in office that he would tackle reforming social care. in it seems that in order to do that, he'll have to break that manifesto commitment. we understand they could be close to an agreement on this, and that could come quite soon. but today the justice secretary, robert

buckland, was asked about what he felt of the prospect of breaking that manifesto commitment. i think what we said in the manifesto about social care was that no one has a monopoly of wisdom about these issues. and the british public are sensible enough to know that when it comes to the issue of social care, we've got to find some way in which it will be adequately funded. now as i said, i'm not going to start speculating as to exactly what that will entail. but having a grown—up conversation with people is what we should be doing, and i'm glad to say that that's certainly happening in the context of social care. now it seems that what they're looking at here this potential national insurance contribution rise. it seems they're not looking at an income tax rise, that would be at an income tax rise, that would be a very big step for a chancellor to make. people understand that that is funding health services and reform —

but the question here then is, how fair would that be? the burdens then fall on younger people when the benefits of social care reform may well go to older people. sojeremy hunt is saying that this should be an increase, notjust a fun social care reform, but brought her to also help pay for the backlog of nhs care that's been built up during the pandemic, and that way those it would have broader use. here's what he has to say. i think the answer is health and care _ i think the answer is health and care premium, _ i think the answer is health and care premium, something - i think the answer is health and i care premium, something which i think the answer is health and - care premium, something which could relieve _ care premium, something which could relieve pressure — care premium, something which could relieve pressure on_ care premium, something which could relieve pressure on the _ care premium, something which could relieve pressure on the nhs— care premium, something which could relieve pressure on the nhs in- care premium, something which could relieve pressure on the nhs in the - relieve pressure on the nhs in the short-term, — relieve pressure on the nhs in the short—term, but— relieve pressure on the nhs in the short—term, but then _ relieve pressure on the nhs in the short—term, but then move - relieve pressure on the nhs in the short—term, but then move into i relieve pressure on the nhs in the. short—term, but then move into the transformation— short—term, but then move into the transformation the _ short—term, but then move into the transformation the social _ short—term, but then move into the transformation the social care - transformation the social care system — transformation the social care system we _ transformation the social care system we need _ transformation the social care system we need in _ transformation the social care system we need in the - transformation the social care system we need in the more. system we need in the more medium-term _ system we need in the more medium—term will— system we need in the more medium—term will stop- system we need in the more medium—term will stop it. system we need in the more medium—term will stop it is| system we need in the morel medium—term will stop it is a system we need in the more - medium—term will stop it is a tax increase. — medium—term will stop it is a tax increase. we _ medium—term will stop it is a tax increase, we shouldn't _ medium—term will stop it is a tax increase, we shouldn't call- medium—term will stop it is a tax . increase, we shouldn't call anything other— increase, we shouldn't call anything other than_ increase, we shouldn't call anything other than that, _ increase, we shouldn't call anything other than that, but _ increase, we shouldn't call anything other than that, but the _ increase, we shouldn't call anything other than that, but the reason - increase, we shouldn't call anything other than that, but the reason i . other than that, but the reason i call it_ other than that, but the reason i call it a — other than that, but the reason i call it a health _ other than that, but the reason i call it a health and _ other than that, but the reason i call it a health and care - other than that, but the reason i| call it a health and care premium other than that, but the reason i i call it a health and care premium is ithink_ call it a health and care premium is ilhink that's — call it a health and care premium is ilhink that's a _ call it a health and care premium is i think that's a better route - call it a health and care premium is i think that's a better route than i i think that's a better route than the national— i think that's a better route than the national insurance, - i think that's a better route than the national insurance, which. i think that's a better route than the national insurance, which is| i think that's a better route than - the national insurance, which is not paid for— the national insurance, which is not paid for working _ the national insurance, which is not paid for working pensioners. - the national insurance, which is not paid for working pensioners. i- the national insurance, which is not paid for working pensioners. i think| paid for working pensioners. i think since _ paid for working pensioners. i think since older— paid for working pensioners. i think since older people _ paid for working pensioners. i think since older people are _ paid for working pensioners. i think since older people are the - paid for working pensioners. i think since older people are the biggest. since older people are the biggest beneficiaries _ since older people are the biggest beneficiaries of— since older people are the biggest beneficiaries of this _ since older people are the biggest

beneficiaries of this extra - beneficiaries of this extra investment, _ beneficiaries of this extra investment, it _ beneficiaries of this extra investment, it is - beneficiaries of this extra investment, it is fair- beneficiaries of this extra investment, it is fair they beneficiaries of this extra - investment, it is fair they should make _ investment, it is fair they should make a _ investment, it is fair they should make a contribution. _ investment, it is fair they should make a contribution. now- investment, it is fair they should make a contribution.— investment, it is fair they should make a contribution. now of course the are make a contribution. now of course they are difficult _ make a contribution. now of course they are difficult issues _ make a contribution. now of course they are difficult issues being - they are difficult issues being hammered out here. one will be how to sell this out to the public, because this will still involve considerable costs. the second issue for the government is how to get this through the commons and get the backing of conservative mps, many of whom will be against any form of what they see as a tax rise. we believe an announcement could come this week, but we will wait to see. damien, for the moment, thank you very much. joining me now is kari gerstheimer, the ceo of access social care, a charity which provides free legal advice to people with social care needs. thank you forjoining us. what is your estimate for how much money is needed to really reform social care effectively? 50 needed to really reform social care effectively?— effectively? so i think that every ear, the effectively? so i think that every year, the funding _ effectively? so i think that every year, the funding gap _ effectively? so i think that every year, the funding gap grows - effectively? so i think that every year, the funding gap grows and| effectively? so i think that every | year, the funding gap grows and i think the foundation has cited a figure of £8 billion funding gap by 2030. so we are talking about a lot of money. you know, we've been

waiting a long time for an announcement on this issue. we will come to how — announcement on this issue. we will come to how that _ announcement on this issue. we will come to how that money _ announcement on this issue. we will come to how that money gets - announcement on this issue. we will come to how that money gets raised j come to how that money gets raised in a moment. but how concerned would you be that, given the backlog in the nhs for operations and procedures, treatments of various types because of the pandemic, would take priority over social care? titer? take priority over social care? very concerned- — take priority over social care? very concerned- i— take priority over social care? very concerned. i mean, _ take priority over social care? very concerned. i mean, the _ take priority over social care? - concerned. i mean, the backlogs are well documented, and i think social care has always been the poor cousin of the nhs. what i would like to highlight is that every day, millions of people are not getting the social care that they need and have a right to — and that's really a national scandal. access to social care, my charity provides free support to those with needs, and we see so many cases that are so distressing. just the other day i was speaking to someone who's waited over ten months to get an

assessment. imagine if you had to wait ten months to see a doctor — this is really no different. in terms of the options than for how this gets funded, what do you think the government could consider, and what's your preferred option? 50 i what's your preferred option? so i think the most _ what's your preferred option? sr i think the most important thing is to recognise that we need a long—term funding solution, we don't need a sticking plaster, and there needs to be enough money. so we talked about some pretty big figures — it's important that that money is made available for social care, and it's important that it isn'tjust gobbled up important that it isn'tjust gobbled up by the nhs. i think that we recognise that social care could be needed by anybody, any of us could needed by anybody, any of us could need social care either for ourselves or a loved one. and some of us will be unfortunate enough to

have catastrophic care costs in our lifetime. so if you look overseas to places like germany orjapan who have pooled the risk for many years, people have contributed towards the cost of that social care throughout their lifetime so that we are all protected from the risk of those catastrophic care costs.- protected from the risk of those catastrophic care costs. jeremy hunt talked about — catastrophic care costs. jeremy hunt talked about making _ catastrophic care costs. jeremy hunt talked about making sure _ catastrophic care costs. jeremy hunt talked about making sure that - catastrophic care costs. jeremy hunt talked about making sure that the i talked about making sure that the young were not disproportionately having to pay for this cost. what's your view on that, if it's older people benefiting, they should be the ones who pay?— the ones who pay? firstly i'd like to oint the ones who pay? firstly i'd like to point out _ the ones who pay? firstly i'd like to point out that _ the ones who pay? firstly i'd like to point out that social— the ones who pay? firstly i'd like to point out that social care - the ones who pay? firstly i'd like to point out that social care is . the ones who pay? firstly i'd like | to point out that social care is the support that older and working age disabled people receive in either their community, within a care home to live as independently as possible. so it isn'tjust about older people, about half of the bill to social care is for working age disabled people. that being said, however, yes, we obviously have an

ageing population, and the need for social care is increasing. and ideally, yes, the way that that should be funded needs to be fair and we need to take into consideration into generate —— intergenerational affairs. consideration into generate -- intergenerational affairs. thank you so much for— intergenerational affairs. thank you so much for your _ intergenerational affairs. thank you so much for your time. _ lets get more on the news that the uk's vaccine advisory body has refused to give the green light to vaccinating healthy children aged 12—15 years old on health grounds alone. i'm joined now by adam finn, a professor of paediatrics at the university of bristol and member of thejoint committee on vaccination and immunisation. professor, thank you very much for joining us. what was the question then that you were tasked with answering?— then that you were tasked with answerin: ? ~ �* , ., ., ~' answering? well, we've been looking at this repeatedly _ answering? well, we've been looking at this repeatedly over _ answering? well, we've been looking at this repeatedly over the _ answering? well, we've been looking at this repeatedly over the last - answering? well, we've been looking at this repeatedly over the last few . at this repeatedly over the last few months, and this advice is consistent with what we've said on the previous two occasions relating

to healthy 12—15 —year—olds. we've extended the recommendations for children with underlying health conditions who should be immunised in that age group, and who represent the large majority of children of this age who do get seriously ill and occasionally died of covid. but for the healthy children, the risk—benefit balance is really very uncertain and very tight. and normally what we do when we recommend vaccination for children is we see a very clear benefit that clearly outweighs any possible risk. and the absence of that clear blue water between those two, we prefer to advise the healthy children at the moment should not be immunised. how much of a moral consideration did you make that if we were to vaccinate them, it would arguably be to protect other people rather than the children themselves?— to protect other people rather than the children themselves? that's not reall a the children themselves? that's not really a moral— the children themselves? that's not really a moral argument, _ the children themselves? that's not really a moral argument, it's - the children themselves? that's not really a moral argument, it's very i really a moral argument, it's very much a part of what vaccines do. we

look at the direct effects and indirect effects. direct effects are benefits to the person getting the vaccine, and indirect effects are to everybody else. most of our vaccine programmes do have those benefits, as well. but we do always want there to be a net benefit for the person being vaccinated, so that has to take priority. and in this case, the vaccines we've got at the moment are not that great at interrupting transmission, particularly of the delta variant. so those indirect effects are relatively minor consideration anyway. but effects are relatively minor consideration anyway. but we are told that your _ consideration anyway. but we are told that your decision _ consideration anyway. but we are told that your decision will - consideration anyway. but we are told that your decision will be - told that your decision will be looked at again to see whether it could be tipped to the other direction and favour of them of them —— having the vaccine if it would protect school communities, if it meant fewer schoolchildren would be sent home. how confusing will that be for parents if that's the way it goes? i be for parents if that's the way it noes? ~' ., ,

be for parents if that's the way it noes? ~' ., . , goes? i think it would be very confusing. — goes? i think it would be very confusing. i— goes? i think it would be very confusing, i agree. _ goes? i think it would be very confusing, i agree. but- goes? i think it would be very confusing, i agree. but we i goes? i think it would be very i confusing, i agree. but we must bear in mind that we need to be honest with parents about this, they need to understand that in the end when we offer vaccines, it's always a matter of personal choice, nobody is compelled to receive vaccines in this country. and they do really need to have the full information so they can make and informed choice. so i think the biggest harm that's occurred to children over the course of this pandemic relates to the disruption to their education and development, and it's not much to do with the risk of covid itself, because that is a relatively mild illness of children. so those considerations do need to be taken into account, but we need to give an honest answer when it comes to the health benefits and risks around vaccination.— vaccination. and the risk of children of _ vaccination. and the risk of children of that _ vaccination. and the risk of children of that age - vaccination. and the risk of children of that age group. children of that age group developing long covid — that wasn't persuasive for you either? the

evidence on — persuasive for you either? the evidence on long _ persuasive for you either? tis: evidence on long covid is beginning to come in now, it's a very difficult condition to define. what we can say now is that there are many fewer cases of children than in adults, but they do occur. the symptoms that they experience are troubling and last usually around 2-3 troubling and last usually around 2—3 months, and usually resolve after that time. but the actual functional effects are relatively mild, and we've now got a really excellent control study that's reported on this. so it's absurdly part of the consideration, but we must be realistic about the size of the problem and the ability of vaccines to impact on it. professor, thanks very — vaccines to impact on it. professor, thanks very much — vaccines to impact on it. professor, thanks very much for _ vaccines to impact on it. professor, thanks very much for talking - vaccines to impact on it. professor, thanks very much for talking to - vaccines to impact on it. professor, thanks very much for talking to us . thanks very much for talking to us this afternoon separately thank you very much. a man who stabbed and wounded at least six people at a supermarket in new zealand has been described by the country's prime minister as a "violent extremist". the sri lankan man was shot and killed by police. jacinda ardern said he had been known to authorities. 0ur correspondent phil mercer reports.

the attacker was under 24—hour surveillance when he began his rampage at a supermarket in auckland. it lasted less than a minute, but six people were wounded, some of them seriously. he stabbed this woman when she came out, i was going in. i went down to the other end, there was an old gentleman, european man, lying on the ground. jacinda ardern, the new zealand prime minister, said the assailant was shot dead by the police within 60 seconds of the attack starting. what happened today was despicable. it was hateful, it was wrong. it was carried out by an individual — not a faith, not a culture, not an ethnicity. but an individual person who was gripped by ideology that is not supported here. senior officers have insisted that armed police intervened as quickly as they could.

the reality is that when you are surveilling someone on a 24/7 basis, it is not possible to be immediately next to them at all times. staff intervened as quickly as they could and they prevented further injury in what was a terrifying situation. the man, a sri lankan national, arrived in new zealand a decade ago, was identified as a national security threat in 2016, and had been monitored ever since. despite his dangerous views, there was no legal reason for him to be detained. we have utilised every legal and surveillance power available to us to try and keep people safe from this individual. many agencies and people were involved. this act of violence will stir painful memories in new zealand of the deadly mosque attacks in christchurch in march 2019, when a gunman, a self—confessed white supremacist,

murdered 51 worshippers. once again, the nation's isolation has been no defence against extremism. phil mercer, bbc news. now it's time for a look at the weather with nick miller. it'll turn a bit brighter and warmer for many of us over the weekend, especially if you're in england and wales. by sunday, there's a chance of actually seeing some rain in northern ireland and scotland. but for now, it's as you wear, meaning there's a lot of clout out there. there are some sunny spells throughout the day and parts of wales in southern england. you can probably see the cloud increasing again overnight, but it still capable of developing some drizzly rain and places as it is at the moment. 0vernight temperatures mainly into double figures. so tomorrow, you can bank on a lot of clout out there to start the day.

best place — a few sunny spells coming through if you're in northern ireland, wales, southeast england, perhaps even wider into east anglia later in the day. the breeze is still coming in from the north sea, so it really pegs temperatures down with the cloud and chance of drizzle, eastern scotland in northeast england, but along the coast may be just 15 celsius. elsewhere up to around 20, but if you see some sunshine into the low 20s, a bit more sunshine and warmer on sunday. this is bbc news. the headlines... the government's scientific advisers say they won't recommend giving covid vaccines to all 12 to 15 year olds — because there would only bea "marginalgain." experts say there was a lot to weigh up. if we are going to vaccinate our children, it has got to really be in their interest and not in a society's interest to vaccinate them.

ministers consider raising national insurance to fund social care reform, despite a conservative election promise not to increase taxes police shoot dead a violent extremist who stabbed and injured six people in new zealand. football's world governing body, fifa, investigates last night's events in hungary where england players were racially abused during their a—nil win. plans to make pet theft a criminal offence in england, following a rise in the number of dogs stolen during the pandemic. let's ta ke let's take a look at all the sports news now from the bbc sport centre. good evening. chris woakes has been adding some key lower—order runs for england as they look build on their lead against india on the second day of the fourth test at the oval. england were three wickets down overnight then lost craig 0verton and dawid malan this morning to leave them in big trouble. 0llie pope helped dig them out and he went on to pass 50

before guiding england into a first innings lead. he looked all set for a century but was bowled by shardul thakur on 81. but chris woakes has added some important late innings runs. he made a half century before england were bowled out — for 290— a lead of 99. india have just got their second innings under way now, 11 without loss. great britain won three more gold medals on friday as they passed the 100—medal mark at the tokyo paralympics. there was success for canoeist emma wiggs and athletes jonathan broom—edwards and owen miller as our sports correspondent andy swiss reports. celebrations don't get much side year. and the legs proving that when it comes to pedal power, she is the best in the business. the party when you're all charging clear in the canoe sprint to take a second

paralympic gold. for legs, the elation of victory was followed by a motion on the podium, just getting to these games was a struggle after a serious wrist injury. it is a serious wrist in'ury. it is probably h a serious wrist in'ury. it is probably the h a serious wrist injury. it is probably the first - a serious wrist injury. it is probably the first time - a serious wrist injury. it is probably the first time in | a serious wrist injury. it 3 probably the first time in my life that i really felt disabled, and that i really felt disabled, and that was 20 years after becoming disabled, so it was probably a bit of a rock—bottom moment, and we sit here today with this. it of a rock-bottom moment, and we sit here today with this.— here today with this. it was also thumbs up _ here today with this. it was also thumbs up in — here today with this. it was also thumbs up in the _ here today with this. it was also thumbs up in the athletic- here today with this. it was also thumbs up in the athletic star i here today with this. it was also. thumbs up in the athletic star on thumbs up in the athletic star 0n miller as he wrapped up the phone book with a brilliant run to take the 1500 metres title. in the high jump the 1500 metres title. in the high jump meanwhile, jonathan broome edwards produced a leap of his life after silver in rialto that was gold in tokyo, the world champion finally the paralympic champion. the british team have reached a milestone today, the 100 medal mark. they set a target at these games between 100-140 target at these games between 100—140 metals, and still, they keep

coming. another one for the remarkable richard whitehead, but not the gold he is used to. the 200 metres saw a changing of the guard from the 45—year—old to a 19—year—old. south africa's didn't walk until he was ten. now he'd beaten one of the all—time greats. his wasn't the only extraordinary talent on show. china beats will bailey as britain lost out in the table tennis final. then there was wheelchair tennis. table tennis final. then there was wheelchairtennis. if table tennis final. then there was wheelchair tennis. if there is a price per shot of the year, well, alfie hewitt might have just won it. it wasn't enough or hewitt and gordon to win their doubles find out, but in defeat, they did at least have one of the day's most dazzling moments. and he says, bbc news, tokyo. what a great shot that was. fifa says it's investigating racial abuse aimed at england players raheem sterling and jude bellingham during thursday's world cup qualifier in budapest. prime minister borisjohnson has

urged fifa "to take strong action against those responsible. piara powar is the executive director of the "football against racism in europe" network. seeing scenes like that with monkey chants and black players being targeted is something that has been going on for a very, very long time in european football and it is something that is now, you know, the time must be now to do more to tackle this and to make sure that everything that is possible to tackle this abuse is being done. and arsenal women have completed the signing of united states forward and two—time world cup winner tobin heath. the 33—year—old spent last season at manchester united where she scored four goals in eight league games before an ankle injury — and won a bronze medal with the us at this summer's 0lympics. and join us for sportsday at 6.30pm if you can. we'll be at manchester united reading, ahead of the first game of the new women's super league season. dan evans is about to get under way

against australia's alexei popyrin in the third round of the us open. follow that on the bbc sport website. that is all from me for now. back to martin. justin, thank you very much. the women's super league returns this evening and it could be the biggest and most exciting season yet. with a new broadcast deal in place — allowing matches to be shown live on bbc and sky tv — there will be more eyes on the wsl than ever before. it is expected to attract record audience figures and become one of the most watched women's sport leagues in the world. joining me now is patricia gregory, former england player. 0ne one of the game's pioneers who set “p one of the game's pioneers who set up a team and league in the late 19605 up a team and league in the late 1960s on women's the policy effectively banned. she went on to oversee the growth of the women's football association. patricia, welcome. how exciting is this development, the fact that we will be able to watch at? it’s

development, the fact that we will be able to watch at?— be able to watch at? it's terribly excitina. be able to watch at? it's terribly exciting- i _ be able to watch at? it's terribly exciting. ijust _ be able to watch at? it's terribly exciting. i just got _ be able to watch at? it's terribly exciting. i just got to _ be able to watch at? it's terribly exciting. i just got to correct - be able to watch at? it's terribly. exciting. i just got to correct you, i'm afraid i never played for england. i wasn't any good. i was better as an administrator than playing. brute better as an administrator than bla inc. ~ ., better as an administrator than .la in. _ . ., ., better as an administrator than .la ini_ . ., ., , ., playing. we have elevated you, patricia, playing. we have elevated you, patricia. i _ playing. we have elevated you, patricia, i apologised _ playing. we have elevated you, patricia, i apologised up - playing. we have elevated you, patricia, i apologised up you i playing. we have elevated you, i patricia, i apologised up you know, that's it's really exciting. that these will _ that's it's really exciting. that these will be _ that's it's really exciting. that these will be shown _ that's it's really exciting. that these will be shown on - that's it's really exciting. tisgt these will be shown on terrestrial and satellite, but particularly terrestrial, because it will get the opportunity for so many young players to see what they can achieve in the future. find players to see what they can achieve in the future-— in the future. and there is money involved. how _ in the future. and there is money involved. how important - in the future. and there is money involved. how important is i in the future. and there is money involved. how important is that l involved. how important is that going to be for the women's game? 0h, hugely important. as long as, i do hope that the ball authorities, when they get this money, they let it filter down to the grassroots level at some stage because it can just get lost. they can get swept up in the bigger clubs, and it does need to go down to the grassroots in order to be able to help the game grow even better. haifa order to be able to help the game

grow even better.— order to be able to help the game grow even better. how healthy our participation _ grow even better. how healthy our participation levels _ grow even better. how healthy our participation levels with _ grow even better. how healthy our participation levels with girls i grow even better. how healthy our participation levels with girls and l participation levels with girls and young women this play —— these days? hugely. i started playing young women this play —— these days? hugely. istarted playing in young women this play —— these days? hugely. i started playing in the mid—60s, and we couldn't find initially any women's teams to play, so we played boys and men's teams, and don't forget, the 1921 rule that the faa band women from participating up above. well, it actually banned them from participating on football association grounds, but when i approached my local counsel for attach, they quoted the rule and wouldn't let us have any of these facilities. so we had to come in order to play football, we had to accept invitations from men's and boys teams in order to get onto a proper pitch. it boys teams in order to get onto a proper pitch-— proper pitch. it must have been immensely _ proper pitch. it must have been immensely off-putting - proper pitch. it must have been immensely off-putting to i proper pitch. it must have been immensely off-putting to face . proper pitch. it must have been i immensely off-putting to face all of immensely off—putting to face all of those barriers. some people, you know, wouldn't have the strength to continue when there are so many obstacles in place. you continue when there are so many obstacles in place.— continue when there are so many obstacles in place. you can't ever ut obstacles in place. you can't ever put women _ obstacles in place. you can't ever put women down, _ obstacles in place. you can't ever put women down, can _ obstacles in place. you can't ever put women down, can you? i obstacles in place. you can't ever put women down, can you? no, . obstacles in place. you can't ever. put women down, can you? no, you can. put women down, can you? no, you can- if we _ put women down, can you? no, you can- if we want— put women down, can you? no, you can. if we want to _ put women down, can you? no, you can. if we want to do _ put women down, can you? no, you can. if we want to do something, i put women down, can you? no, you| can. if we want to do something, we will do something. _

can. if we want to do something, we will do something. and _ can. if we want to do something, we will do something. and that - can. if we want to do something, we will do something. and that is i will do something. and that is exactly what we did. and it took a long time. i mean, we are talking now mid 60s when we were on teams, women have played football on the british isles since the 1880s, so it's a very long time, and the 1921 banned, and lasted until the women's team was formed in the late 60s and we got lifted in 1969, so that was a long time that there where women's teams in existence, and they were trying their best. they did play, there were teams like manchester corinthians, they were all playing football despite not being technically allowed to. there have been times _ technically allowed to. there have been times when _ technically allowed to. there have been times when the _ technically allowed to. there have been times when the women's i technically allowed to. there have i been times when the women's teams, internationally, have been getting better than the men's, but do you still here and see resistance from men towards the women's game more than you'd like?— than you'd like? well, that's obviously — than you'd like? well, that's obviously still _ than you'd like? well, that's obviously still some - than you'd like? well, that's i obviously still some resistance out there, but i think things like the

last world cup, which was a couple of years ago, that is really helped the profile of the game. girls are now able to play football and get paid for it, which was unthinkable, even, as i say, in my lifetime. absolutely unthinkable because in the united games in the 60s and 70s, everybody committee officials and players where dipping into their own pockets to fund their activities. so it was and still is very much an amateur game but it's lovely to see that the girls have got opportunities just like their brothers. opportunities 'ust like their brothers. ., opportunities 'ust like their brothers.— opportunities 'ust like their brothers. ., . . brothers. can you see a time when it will be more — brothers. can you see a time when it will be more as— brothers. can you see a time when it will be more as an _ brothers. can you see a time when it will be more as an equal— brothers. can you see a time when it will be more as an equal match i brothers. can you see a time when it will be more as an equal match for i will be more as an equal match for the men's game?— will be more as an equal match for the men's game? what do you mean euual the men's game? what do you mean equal match? _ the men's game? what do you mean equal match? in _ the men's game? what do you mean equal match? in terms _ the men's game? what do you mean equal match? in terms of— the men's game? what do you mean equal match? in terms of the - the men's game? what do you mean equal match? in terms of the way i equal match? in terms of the way that with the _ equal match? in terms of the way that with the women _ equal match? in terms of the way that with the women are - equal match? in terms of the way. that with the women are rewarded. equal match? in terms of the way i that with the women are rewarded. , that with the women are rewarded. ., how come i mean, that that with the women are rewarded. , how come i mean, that hasn't worked evenin how come i mean, that hasn't worked even in america, has a? and they have got a lot of success under

their belts and the international team. i don't know. i think like everything and probably because it has taken us 50 years to get to this stage, i think it is a slow process, and i am, welcome at my great age, i'm not in any hurry to see it progress even more because it's got to be so —— slow and steady, and i don't ever foresee men's teams against women's teams. i don't aspire to that, i wouldn't think that was a good thing.- that was a good thing. patricia greao , that was a good thing. patricia gregory. thank— that was a good thing. patricia gregory, thank you _ that was a good thing. patricia gregory, thank you very - that was a good thing. patricia gregory, thank you very much | that was a good thing. patricia i gregory, thank you very much for talking to us. gregory, thank you very much for talking to va— gregory, thank you very much for talking to na— talking to us. thank you. pet abductions — talking to us. thank you. pet abductions increase - talking to us. thank you. pet abductions increase during i talking to us. thank you. pet | abductions increase during the pandemic. figures show that 2000 dogs were reported stolen last year alone. theft of pets is currently treated as a loss of property, but they are now plans to make the abduction of animals a criminal offence.

0ur correspondent duncan kennedy reports. there are 12 million dogs in the uk — their status among many families going way beyond pet. today's new figures show that 2,000 dogs were reported stolen last year. when your dogs are stolen, it's devastating. for anybody that's had a dog stolen, they'll immediately know that anybody who's got a dog or a cat — you know how much you loved them, they are priceless, irreplaceable members of our family. it's devastating, what happens to families. yet until now, there's been no specific law to cover stolen pets. today, the government says it is to change that, to make it a criminal offence to abduct a pet, as a way of recognising the emotional pain caused to owners. when you have the abduction and the theft of a pet, it is of a very different order, it causes huge trauma for the family who lose that loved pet, but also can cause trauma for the animal as well. so what we're doing today is recognising that,

creating a specific offence of pet abduction, and i think that will make it easier for us to record this crime, keep track of it, but also easier to prosecute it as well. it was a government task force that came up with today's recommendations. as well as a new pet abduction offence, the government also wants to make pet microchip databases more accessible and pet owners would have to register additional details to improve the data surrounding pet ownership. this is an issue that dogs trust - and many other charities have been calling on for many years, and we know dog ownersl are extremely worried about this issue at the moment, _ and one dog stolen is too many, so we would like to see urgent l action and the recommendations that have been outlined today to be taken forward as quickly as possible. the police say many dogs are stolen so thieves can make money from their puppies, which have been in huge demand during the pandemic. the aim of the new law is to make it clear that pets

are more than just property. duncan kennedy, bbc news. the headlines on bbc news... the government's scientific advisory say that benefit by vaccinating healthy 12—15 —year—olds but on the show a marginal gain. to healthy 12-15 -year-olds but on the show a marginal gain.— show a marginal gain. to consider takin: a show a marginal gain. to consider taking a consideration _ show a marginal gain. to consider taking a consideration to - show a marginal gain. to consider taking a consideration to fund - taking a consideration to fund social care reform despite a promise to not increase taxes. police shoot data in a violent extremist to stabbed and injured six people in new zealand. now on bbc news, anna smith presents the film review. hello and welcome to the film review with me, anna smith. i'm filling in for mark kermode to review this week's releases.