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hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are sam lister, deputy political editor of the daily express, and broadcaster david davies. good to see both of you, thanks for being with us this evening. let's bring you what the first editions of the papers are saying so far. the guardian reports that borisjohnson will tell mps the health care system is in crisis, and cannot be expected to recover alone. the prime minister faces growing rebellion over potential rises to tax, ahead of tomorrow's announcement on how england's social care system overhaul and tackling of the nhs backlog will be funded. according to the telegraph, the prime minister is expected to reveal that national insurance will be increased by around 1.25%, in a move that could generate £10 billion for the nhs. the paper says this will first be used to tackle the nhs backlog caused by the pandemic before
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funding social care. "revealed: plans for octoberfirebreak" reads the headline on the i — a senior government scientist has told the paper of potential government plans for an extended half term holiday and potential restrictions in england, to tackle rising hospital cases of covid. on the front page of the metro — a woman who's won £180,000 in a landmarkjudgment, after she claimed her boss refused to let her work a four—day week or leave work early to collect her baby from nursery. alice thompson, an estate agent in london, claimed sex discrimination at the employment tribunal. and the financial times is running a story on demands from regulators for more powers to challenge risky cryptocurreny ventures. the chair of the financial conduct authority warns that some dubious schemes promoted online mean vulenerable people are at risk ofjeopardising their financial futures. so, sam and dave, sam, do you want
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to kick us off with the telegraph, first of all? this has the potential to turn into quite a significant political battle. it to turn into quite a significant political battle.— to turn into quite a significant political battle. it is huge, and as we've seen. _ political battle. it is huge, and as we've seen, this _ political battle. it is huge, and as we've seen, this problem - political battle. it is huge, and as we've seen, this problem has - political battle. it is huge, and as i we've seen, this problem has been around for probably the last 20 years, and the government has struggled to find a way through it. obviously it won't be much easier for borisjohnson, whose backbenchers are already making it very clear that he will face a really tricky ride to get it past them. the chancellor rishi sunak has been out tonight trying to win those over who are concerned. but by putting up national insurance, you are breaking a manifesto commitment — and that's quite a difficult thing for tory mps to go and tell voters next time around. it's a tricky position for everyone, i think, to try to sell this one. find position for everyone, i think, to try to sell this one.— try to sell this one. and david, it's the old _ try to sell this one. and david, it's the old problem, _ try to sell this one. and david, it's the old problem, as - try to sell this one. and david, it's the old problem, as well, i try to sell this one. and david, - it's the old problem, as well, about how you define fairness — do you use
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national insurance, which is disproportionately affecting obviously people of working age, because once you hit 66, you don't pay it — equally people under hiring do better under a system like that, and lots of forms of wealth won't be affected by it. 0thers and lots of forms of wealth won't be affected by it. others say it is quite a simple way of collecting it if you do it through the workplace. i think we've got some problems with your line, david. we will come back to you. your line, david. we will come back to ou. ., . �* �* your line, david. we will come back to ou. ., ., �* �* ., to you. you at the bbc have been considering _ to you. you at the bbc have been considering all— to you. you at the bbc have been considering all the _ to you. you at the bbc have been considering all the options. - to you. you at the bbc have been | considering all the options. that's stran . e, considering all the options. that's strange. we _ considering all the options. that's strange, we have _ considering all the options. that's strange, we have a _ considering all the options. that's strange, we have a really - considering all the options. that's strange, we have a really bad - considering all the options. triat�*s strange, we have a really bad delay, we will sort that out with david. sam, on this question of fairness, how do you think the prime minister will tackle that one?— will tackle that one? well, it is really tricky — will tackle that one? well, it is really tricky and _ will tackle that one? well, it is really tricky and lots _ will tackle that one? well, it is really tricky and lots of - will tackle that one? well, it is| really tricky and lots of people, including the conservatives, have been raising this issue about how it
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is unfair to tax younger, poorer workers to protect the houses of the wealthy. i suppose the thing is actually, there's quite a few people in the middle ground here, it's not all about wealthy homeowners and property millionaires in london. certainly i think most people probably know of elderly relatives who have scrimped all their lives to have a property and seated all strain away. that has an impact on the whole family, notjust strain away. that has an impact on the whole family, not just the people involved. so there is a way to sell it that way, but i think any time you put up taxes, it's always a tricky cell stop i suppose ultimately though, voters understand that social care has to be sorted out, and ultimately i suppose the p.m. out, and ultimately i suppose the pm. is saying, "i will level with you, we will have to charge people more to resolve this," it's taken 20
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years to even get to this point and somebody will have to pay somewhere. david? we still haven't got you, i'll stick with sam. sorry, we are still patching it through, we will get david back. the guardian suggests that one way they might do it is by talking about a crisis in health care. but that's also risky for the p.m. because conservatives, or at least a conservative dominated administration has been in charge of this country for the last 11 years. exactly, it's an open goal for labour to say you can't. i think the prime minister would say, look, for the 75th anniversary of the nhs, they put in significant amounts of money, and obviously during the covid crisis, there's been extra funding to pay for that. but obviously we all know that there is a backlog for more minor treatments,
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anybody who's trying to get a gp appointment for anything more minor will understand that there's waiting lists and day surgery in hospitals. i'm sure voters on the whole will understand that the government didn't expect this crisis, and extra money will have to be found. i think the problem is with this plan, it seems to be that initially, this extra money will go towards funding this backlog in the nhs, and then it supposedly will be diverted into social care. i think you will have quite a job to wrestle that money back off the nhs in two years time. it'll be quite a miracle if all the backlogs and problems disappeared and he could certainly say, "right, 0k, we've got everything sorted, let's put them money into social care," it'll be a funny nightmare. it's a danger of trying to kick the can down the road, which is part of
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the problem with social care anyway. the social care system was supposedly established at the same time as the nhs, and i remember the phrase in history books, how did you win over the doctors? by stuffing their mouths full of gold. how did you win over local authorities and councils? by telling them they could keep social care and that wouldn't be a national system, it would be local and they would have control over it." but the funding has never matched that aspiration. david, if he's listening, we are trying to get the line back up, our apologies, we are not sure if it's our end, your end, ora are not sure if it's our end, your end, or a combination. are not sure if it's our end, your end, ora combination. but are not sure if it's our end, your end, or a combination. but don't go to bed just yet if you don't mind, david, and i'll stick with sam for now and they'll tell me as soon as we got you back. sam, the i has an interesting story. not a great surprise, but to have somebody put it in print, risking their journalistic reputation by saying
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the plan to replace for an october fire break — what are they saying? the i have been told by a government scientist, an adviser, rather, that the country is to be put back into a fire break over the half term because there is a fear that we will just be in this extended peak of infections, around one and five under 40s aren't vaccinated, and there's a fear that as we go into there's a fear that as we go into the colder weather and to, you know, we traditionally get that surge of infections anyway, that covid will mirror that traditional flu pattern. and you do have that old problem then. so to extend that, they're putting in place these emergency patterns, apparently, to have a fire
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break —— emergency powers. i'm sure many people will be very depressed at that thought.— at that thought. david, you're back and i'm at that thought. david, you're back and i'm sorry _ at that thought. david, you're back and i'm sorry about _ at that thought. david, you're back and i'm sorry about that, - at that thought. david, you're back and i'm sorry about that, good - at that thought. david, you're back and i'm sorry about that, good to l and i'm sorry about that, good to have you. you'll have to hold your thoughts on social care and the nhs for the next review, and those who want to say it is a good incentive for staying with us for another hour. but talk us through your take on this october hour. but talk us through your take on this 0ctoberfire hour. but talk us through your take on this october fire break idea. hour. but talk us through your take on this 0ctoberfire break idea. i on this october fire break idea. i mean, anyone who thinks that the worst_ mean, anyone who thinks that the worsl of— mean, anyone who thinks that the worst of covid is over certainly won't — worst of covid is over certainly won't be — worst of covid is over certainly won't be reassured by this story, will they? — won't be reassured by this story, will they? this senior government scientist _ will they? this senior government scientist - — will they? this senior government scientist — my goodness, there's a lot of— scientist — my goodness, there's a lot of them — scientist — my goodness, there's a lot of them around, aren't there — they— lot of them around, aren't there — they seem — lot of them around, aren't there — they seem to be talking about if cases_ they seem to be talking about if cases are — they seem to be talking about if cases are overwhelming the nhs in the winter. — cases are overwhelming the nhs in the winter, this and that will happen _ the winter, this and that will happen. we are told gps — it's funny, — happen. we are told gps — it's funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i_ funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i said — funny, today i spoke to my own gp and i said to — funny, today i spoke to my own gp
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and i said to him, "what you think about_ and i said to him, "what you think about the — and i said to him, "what you think about the third jab for people?" it comes_ about the third jab for people?" it comes as — about the third jab for people?" it comes as no surprise to me that the decisions _ comes as no surprise to me that the decisions will soon be taken on the extent— decisions will soon be taken on the extent of— decisions will soon be taken on the extent of the third jabs that will be given— extent of the third jabs that will be given to people over 70, let alone _ be given to people over 70, let alone this _ be given to people over 70, let alone this coming and going over the issue _ alone this coming and going over the issue of— alone this coming and going over the issue of 12 _ alone this coming and going over the issue of 12 to 15—year—olds, which in america — issue of 12 to 15—year—olds, which in america - _ issue of 12 to 15—year—olds, which in america — i'm lucky enough to have _ in america — i'm lucky enough to have a _ in america — i'm lucky enough to have a younger daughter who lives in america _ have a younger daughter who lives in america - _ have a younger daughter who lives in america — she's actually quite astounded by the fact that, having had such— astounded by the fact that, having had such a — astounded by the fact that, having had such a good lead in terms of people _ had such a good lead in terms of people who are having their injections and jabs, we haven't followed — injections and jabs, we haven't followed that through with the younger people, which they have in many— younger people, which they have in many states in the united states. i'm many states in the united states. i'm struck— many states in the united states. i'm struck by the figure on the front of the i, david, that says that a fifth of those under a0 have still not even had their firstjab. i'm amazed, i'm also amazed by that.
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i'm amazed, i'm also amazed by that. i'm slightly— i'm amazed, i'm also amazed by that. i'm slightly in— i'm amazed, i'm also amazed by that. i'm slightly in that category, which you may— i'm slightly in that category, which you may have seen some criticism over— you may have seen some criticism over the _ you may have seen some criticism over the weekend, and sam may have seen that, _ over the weekend, and sam may have seen that, as — over the weekend, and sam may have seen that, as well, bleeding from some _ seen that, as well, bleeding from some people in government saying, "will the _ some people in government saying, "will the broadcasters stopped publishing these figures day after day, after day?" which scares people. — day, after day?" which scares people, there's no doubt about that, in my— people, there's no doubt about that, in my humble opinion... 30 people, there's no doubt about that, in my humble opinion...— people, there's no doubt about that, in my humble opinion... so you would refer a in my humble opinion... so you would prefer a weekly _ in my humble opinion... so you would prefer a weekly update _ in my humble opinion... so you would prefer a weekly update or— in my humble opinion... so you would j prefer a weekly update or something? something like that. and also they are put— something like that. and also they are put in— something like that. and also they are put in context, because at the moment— are put in context, because at the moment - — are put in context, because at the moment - i— are put in context, because at the moment — i can remember a former director— moment — i can remember a former director general of the bbc who is forever— director general of the bbc who is forever telling people, when i was in the _ forever telling people, when i was in the bbc— forever telling people, when i was in the bbc for 23 years, that we should — in the bbc for 23 years, that we should put— in the bbc for 23 years, that we should put all such figures in context _ should put all such figures in context |_ should put all such figures in context. ~' ~' ., should put all such figures in context. ~' ~ ., ., �* context. i think i know who you're about. laughter _ context. i think i know who you're about. laughter. _ about. laughter. there we have it. .
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there we have it. that we live in the world _ there we have it. that we live in the world that _ there we have it. that we live in the world that we _ there we have it. that we live in the world that we live _ there we have it. that we live in the world that we live in - there we have it. that we live in the world that we live in these i the world that we live in these days, — the world that we live in these days, and _ the world that we live in these days, and i know the pressures on time, _ days, and i know the pressures on time, as— days, and i know the pressures on time, as we — days, and i know the pressures on time, as we all do.— days, and i know the pressures on time, as we all do. just on the fire break idea. _ time, as we all do. just on the fire break idea, it's _ time, as we all do. just on the fire break idea, it's tough, _ time, as we all do. just on the fire break idea, it's tough, isn't - time, as we all do. just on the fire break idea, it's tough, isn't it? - break idea, it's tough, isn't it? because all the support business... therefore presumably if restrictions come in and if they go as far as to say to some businesses that they can't have customers in or they have to change how they work again, again it'll be hit for some companies who are on the edge of where they can carry on or not. flit are on the edge of where they can carry on or not-— carry on or not. of course it is. peole carry on or not. of course it is. people forget _ carry on or not. of course it is. people forget the _ carry on or not. of course it is. people forget the early - carry on or not. of course it is. people forget the early days i carry on or not. of course it is. people forget the early days of carry on or not. of course it is. - people forget the early days of the covid _ people forget the early days of the covid epidemic — we talked about the balance _ covid epidemic — we talked about the balance between health and the economy, that'll come back with a vengeance — economy, that'll come back with a vengeance. just at the moment, the furlough _ vengeance. just at the moment, the furlough system will supposedly be brought _ furlough system will supposedly be brought to an end, and one wonders the price _ brought to an end, and one wonders the price that will be paid if some of these — the price that will be paid if some of these depressing forecasts have
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to he _ of these depressing forecasts have to be implemented.— of these depressing forecasts have to be implemented. david, let's move on to the metro. _ to be implemented. david, let's move on to the metro, this _ to be implemented. david, let's move on to the metro, this is _ to be implemented. david, let's move on to the metro, this is - _ to be implemented. david, let's move on to the metro, this is - the - on to the metro, this is — the figure seems quite impressive for this employment tribunal victory. an estate agent, a woman who had some problems with her employer over what she felt was reasonable requests for absences because of childcare. yes. absences because of childcare. yes, indeed, absences because of childcare. yes, indeed. and — absences because of childcare. yes, indeed. and it— absences because of childcare. yes, indeed, and it is _ absences because of childcare. yes, indeed, and it is a _ absences because of childcare. yes, indeed, and it is a hugely significantjudgment. it would significant judgment. it would appear— significant judgment. it would appear to significantjudgment. it would appear to me that it has come from an employment tribunal in central london _ an employment tribunal in central london there in the strand, i think. this woman — london there in the strand, i think. this woman was basically refused permission to leave work early to collect _ permission to leave work early to collect her — permission to leave work early to collect her baby from nursery, and the tribunal — collect her baby from nursery, and the tribunal has ruled that making her work— the tribunal has ruled that making her work until 6pm — the time at which _ her work until 6pm — the time at which most _ her work until 6pm — the time at which most nurseries are closed or are being — which most nurseries are closed or are being closed — putter at a
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disadvantage in her life. so my learned — disadvantage in her life. so my learned friends, as ever, willjoin on that— learned friends, as ever, willjoin on that stop what i don't know how tribunals— on that stop what i don't know how tribunals award or decide on the money— tribunals award or decide on the money that they award in these circumstances, and i wonder if it's on the _ circumstances, and i wonder if it's on the high—end because. we circumstances, and i wonder if it's on the high-end because.- circumstances, and i wonder if it's on the high-end because. we are told she... on the high-end because. we are told she- -- they — on the high-end because. we are told she- -- they are _ on the high-end because. we are told she... they are higher— on the high-end because. we are told she... they are higher than _ on the high-end because. we are told she... they are higher than they - she... they are higher than they would be if she was working for another estate agent in the country. but the principle is interesting, and what she says — she says she took them to an employment tribunal took them to an employment tribunal to ensure her daughter does not have "the same experience" when she is older. �* , ,., . "the same experience" when she is older. �*, ,., . ., "the same experience" when she is older. �*, . ., , older. there's so much to pick throu~h older. there's so much to pick through in _ older. there's so much to pick through in this. _ older. there's so much to pick through in this. i— older. there's so much to pick through in this. i always - older. there's so much to pick - through in this. i always understood it that companies have to consider reasonable requests, then come up with a reason as to why they say yes or no. and clearly the tribunal felt
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that the company hadn't

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