this is bbc news. we will have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour as newsday continues straight after hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk with me, zeinab badawi. my guest in this exclusive interview is one of the claims of fashion, the british model, naomi campbell. in a landmark announcement that has the royal seal of approval, she becomes the platinum

jubilee global ambassador for the queen's commonwealth trust. how well this new role fit in with her activism for greater equality and diversity? what motivates naomi campbell to keep on pushing boundaries? naomi campbell, welcome to hardtack. he and i thank you, zeinab badawi for having me. great to see you. get to see you too. what does your new role as platinum jubilee ambassadorfor role as platinum jubilee ambassador for the green�*s commonwealth trust in tale? what will you do?— commonwealth trust in tale? what will you do? really, it's similar to _ what will you do? really, it's similar to what _ what will you do? really, it's similar to what i _ what will you do? really, it's similar to what i have - what will you do? really, it's similar to what i have been . similar to what i have been doing except it's going to be adding a few different countries, once i have been working with already. the

younger generation, young businesses, supporting, guiding, mentoring and just uplifting those countries and, you know, i love doing that, so it's really, it's an honour to have this role. and i'm looking forward two— forward two where he is surprised _ forward two where he is surprised when - forward two where he is surprised when you - forward two where he is surprised when you are | forward two where he is - surprised when you are given the sonic and as he put it? yes, very much so.- the sonic and as he put it? yes, very much so. why were you surprised? _ yes, very much so. why were you surprised? i _ yes, very much so. why were you surprised? i don't _ yes, very much so. why were you surprised? i don't know, - yes, very much so. why were you surprised? i don't know, i- surprised? i don't know, i really do _ surprised? i don't know, i really do you _ surprised? i don't know, i really do you just - surprised? i don't know, i really do you just stay - surprised? i don't know, i really do you just stay in i surprised? i don't know, i. really do you just stay in my day, and i was very surprised. it's always, i think, and honour when your country of origin asks you to do something.- origin asks you to do something. origin asks you to do somethina. , ., something. the focus of the queens commonwealth - something. the focus of the | queens commonwealth trust something. the focus of the - queens commonwealth trust list coming is education, and playability, environment, fit in agriculture, health, inclusion, which will you be focusing on?— focusing on? education i already do, _ focusing on? education i already do, so _ focusing on? education i already do, so pressure| focusing on? education i. already do, so pressure will want to print it out because i think that is most definitely

important for the young generation. worldwide. agriculture. terrorism. for me, i work with young cretins anyway. —— tourism. in africa, south africa east africa, so really, it'sjust now, for me, enhancing that, and having a great support team with the commonwealth and of the other people that make up the commonwealth to support me and make it happen so we can push further and harder in getting these things achieved. because what is amazing as it is all voluntary, so everyone is there because they want to be there. i think they support right now is so important, especially with everyone being so isolated.— with everyone being so isolated. ,, ., ., isolated. sure. you mention africa, isolated. sure. you mention africa. and _ isolated. sure. you mention africa. and l— isolated. sure. you mention africa, and i know _ isolated. sure. you mention africa, and i know that - isolated. sure. you mention africa, and i know that you | africa, and i know that you visited africa a great deal before locked down. and you have set in the past, "i failed jamaican but i also feel

african." and there are designers like that nigerian kenneth who says you have done a great deal to support african fashion. so when you are doing this work on behalf of the commonwealth trust, the queens commonwealth trust, the queens commonwealth trust, the queens commonwealth trust, is africa going to be a big important area for you, and why is it so important?— important? africa will always remain important _ important? africa will always remain important for- important? africa will always remain important for me, . important? africa will always | remain important for me, and important? africa will always - remain important for me, and so i will continue doing what i do for africa as well as the inclusion of all the other countries that make up the commonwealth. also my heritage country, jamaica. you get to a certain point in your life that you realise that you can use your platform, and you should share your platform. you should make your platform transcend for others. so that is really, i feel, for others. so that is really, ifeel, i mean, i haven't been given a particular handbook of how i do this new role, but i feel it is just going to be similar to what i have been doing from what i learned from our great wonderful people. you

are referring _ our great wonderful people. you are referring to _ our great wonderful people. you are referring to nelson mandela who saw you as his honorary granddaughter when you mention him there. you say, naomi campbell, that you want to use this just as a platform to carry on doing the good work that you have done, but is this the right platform for you? let me tell you what philip murphy, director of the institute of commonwealth study says about the commonwealth. he says, "it's very good at pumping out those lovely candy floss sound bites about how it's going to solve world peace, save the rainforest and end world poverty, but it eventually asked the question, what have you actually achieved and you are faced with shocked silence? " does the commonwealth actually give you much to do? me, as a person, ifeel like all who know me, what do you know me or don't, you know that i am a person of action. so if i am a person of action. so if i am going to commit to myself to any type of organisation worldwide, it's because i am willing to do the work. otherwise i would not be there, i would not be committed can i would not be sitting here. but

is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you chris make some people say is just an imperial back technocratic, post—imperial relic stop you like at the commonwealth is because these are countries that they do care about. so it lives that they do care about. so it gives me _ that they do care about. so it gives me a — that they do care about. so it gives me a platform - that they do care about. so it gives me a platform that - that they do care about. so it gives me a platform that i . that they do care about. so it| gives me a platform that i can now go in there and really try and get things done and bring these ideas of the young generation to the forefront and try to see it through from a to z. �* ,., try to see it through from a to z. all right, so that is the commonwealth _ z. all right, so that is the commonwealth that - z. all right, so that is the | commonwealth that of the z. all right, so that is the - commonwealth that of the queens commonwealth that of the queens commonwealth trust, but how do you reconcile the bit that says the queen, because you know very well that there is a live debate in the caribbean, your own country of origin, where yourfamily is from own country of origin, where your family is from about whether they should lose the queen as head of state. barbados does at the end of november. carolyn cooperfrom november. carolyn cooper from the november. carolyn cooperfrom the university of the west indies says it's high time for jamaica to complete the process of emancipation from the british monarchy. it of emancipation from the british monarchy.- of emancipation from the british monarchy. it is a very tou~h british monarchy. it is a very tough question _ british monarchy. it is a very tough question to _ british monarchy. it is a very tough question to ask- british monarchy. it is a very tough question to ask me, i british monarchy. it is a very i tough question to ask me, but i always feel with my jamaican

heritage that jamaica is independent anyway. they've got their independence, but i guess they want to be completely free from the british colony or colonisation, you know, ifeel this goes into a deeper conversation, and ifeel this goes into a deeper conversation, and i feel they the whole winter i hasn't really helped that situation for them feeling like they were treated fairly and that way as being embraced. i treated fairly and that way as being embraced.— treated fairly and that way as being embraced. i should 'ust mention the i being embraced. i should 'ust mention the main * being embraced. i should 'ust mention the main drive h being embraced. i should just i mention the main drive scandal crisis that ship that brought many immigrants into the united kingdom from the caribbean. if i can stand, it is no shock to me, but i understand where the hurt and the frustration comes from. �* .., , hurt and the frustration comes from. �* .. , ,. , from. because the descendents of those original _ from. because the descendents of those original and _ from. because the descendents of those original and russian i of those original and russian immigrants, some of them were told that they had no right to remain in the united kingdom when they had been born and bred here. so you think that had a direct impact? i do believe _ had a direct impact? i do believe so, _ had a direct impact? i do believe so, i _ had a direct impact? i do believe so, i do - had a direct impact? i do believe so, i do believe i had a direct impact? i do i believe so, i do believe so. and your grandparents came with wind rush, of course i feel

absolutely. said did you feel personally a frantic? i absolutely. said did you feel personally a frantic?- personally a frantic? i did, and i personally a frantic? i did, and l was _ personally a frantic? i did, and i was actually - personally a frantic? i did, and i was actually invited i personally a frantic? i did, i and i was actually invited to number ten for an event, and after the mistake of being, a faux pas, had been said, and i refused because i felt like i was being used too, ok, let's get naomi campbell and you can it will make it look like it's ok if she comes. i will never go against my people. never. that's when therese a less ministry. that's when therese a less ministry-— that's when therese a less minist . . �*, , .,, ministry. that's when she was by minister. — ministry. that's when she was by minister, so _ ministry. that's when she was by minister, so i— ministry. that's when she was by minister, so i refused - ministry. that's when she was by minister, so i refused and. by minister, so i refused and said no thank you, i'm not to attend. i did though quietly to see theresa may before she left number ten and she can do you know, she admitted she wasn't acting like she didn't, she knew she had done something, a mistake, and upset a lot of people had heard a lot of people's feelings, but it's also, you have to remember, it is like this is their foundation of where they came from and coming to this country, so it was deep, it was a very deep wound that she

opened. a very deep wound that she o ened. �* ., ., opened. right. and lux, another hot button _ opened. right. and lux, another hot button issue _ opened. right. and lux, another hot button issue that _ opened. right. and lux, another hot button issue that is - opened. right. and lux, another hot button issue that is being - hot button issue that is being discussed right across the caribbean, including income that connectjamaica and caribbean, including income that connect jamaica and the coalition of caribbean states separates reparations and olivia graham says we are hoping for repertoryjustice and all farms to address this, it's my liberty. so following that idea, would you like to see reparations for slavery? absolutely, ioo%. they should be reparations. ? why can't we go to the hague and get reparations? 50 go to the hague and get reparations?— reparations? so you are representing _ reparations? so you are representing the - reparations? so you are | representing the queens commonwealth trust as this global ambassador and yet you want in her majesties name to cds reparations that yellow i believe that should be reparations. other cultures have gotten reparation. you don't see any inherent didn't —— inherent contradiction or of being a global ambassador for the queens commonwealth trust and then also think that we have to have reparations? well, other cultures _ have to have reparations? well, other cultures have _ have to have reparations? well, other cultures have had - have to have reparations? well, other cultures have had it, - other cultures have had it,

and... you know, thought for it, for what they had been through. forthe it, for what they had been through. for the lives that were ruined. i don't see why they shouldn't.— they shouldn't. 0k. fair enough- _ they shouldn't. 0k. fair enough. so, _ they shouldn't. 0k. fair enough. so, look, - they shouldn't. 0k. fair| enough. so, look, there they shouldn't. 0k. fair. enough. so, look, there is going to be a lot of interest generated by this announcement that you are the platinum jubilee and after queen's platinum jubilee jubilee and after queen's platinumjubilee next jubilee and after queen's platinum jubilee next year. mas platinum jubilee next year. was thinkin: platinum jubilee next year. was thinking today. _ platinum jubilee next year. —" thinking today, how am i going to have an article by his wonderful highness, piers morgan... wonderful highness, piers morgan- - -_ wonderful highness, piers moraan... ., ., wonderful highness, piers moraan... ., . ., morgan... you are referring to the british _ morgan... you are referring to the british media _ the british media journalists... the interest i think will also focus on the fact that, you know, there has been a lot of talk about diversity, inclusion and race and the british railfamily triggered very much by, brought to the fore by the comments of the duke and duchess of sussex, comments made to oprah winfrey in march this year. what was

your reaction to that? i actually am not going to comment to match on that. this is i'm going to say, this is what i said to my friends and i was watching it in the room, and this is what i'm going to say now, it was sad for me knowing princess diana to see that her two boys were not on good terms. as a mother, that's the last thing you want to happen with your boys. she is no longer here, that's her own, that's her legacy, her two boys, you don't want to see that happen. boys, you don't want to see that happen-— that happen. but it was the asect that happen. but it was the aspect of — that happen. but it was the aspect of race, _ that happen. but it was the aspect of race, really, - that happen. but it was the aspect of race, really, that| that happen. but it was the | aspect of race, really, that i was more interested in asking about, because prince harry said he had been involved in conversations at the time it was accurate, i was a bit shocked and he was referring to the concerns articulated by a member of the wrath and he said not to clean, about how dark any future child that he and the duchess of sussex might

have. so it's that question, reddick and i wondered what your reflections were on that. more than likely, you have got a household of... all ages. different levels of aristocracy, aristocrats, do i think it was said? probably, absolutely it was sad. i'm sure absolutely it was sad. i'm sure a stop at buckingham palace said recollections may vary, but, anyway, yeah. how is it sad? i don't know, i wasn't there. i cannot comment on something i don't know, i wasn't there, i need to hear it for myself. have i had it said to me as well? i can talk about my own experience. yes, many times. when i understood in my business at 18—year—olds —— 18

years old, what i was up against open my mouth and i continue to open my mouth, and i never closed my and i became labelled for it, and didn't get manyjobs for it, especially here in the united kingdom. he said you had to work twice as hard to become a successful model because you are black and. , ., ., �* model because you are black and. , ., and. yes, and i don't complain, i'm a hard-working _ and. yes, and i don't complain, i'm a hard-working woman - and. yes, and i don't complain, i'm a hard-working woman can| and. yes, and i don't complain, | i'm a hard-working woman can i i'm a hard—working woman can i work hard for everything i have. , ., work hard for everything i have, y., , work hard for everything i have. , ., have. so when you say, sorry to interru -t have. so when you say, sorry to interrupt you. — have. so when you say, sorry to interrupt you, when _ have. so when you say, sorry to interrupt you, when you - have. so when you say, sorry to interrupt you, when you say - have. so when you say, sorry to interrupt you, when you say i i interrupt you, when you say i don't complain to me implying that that sussex has have been complaining?— that that sussex has have been com-clainin ? ., ~ ., ., �* complaining? you know, now, i'm talkin: complaining? you know, now, i'm talking about _ complaining? you know, now, i'm talking about myself. _ complaining? you know, now, i'm talking about myself. i _ complaining? you know, now, i'm talking about myself. i have - talking about myself. i have moved on from the sub success, sorry. sorry! i moved on. i talk about my own experience, i cannot talk about others. i can sit and watch an interview like anybody else the world and gets in this is what a get from it, but really, but i got from that was to him as a second it was really for a friend of mine who is no longer here to have her

two sons not on talking terms must be very sad. that's it. you said in an interview in 2020 that the whole world is addressing racism, so england is going to have to deal with that. and of course, we had the george flaig murder in may which triggered the odd lot of soul—searching of race and diversity and so on, and do you support to blm your self? its not that l _ support to blm your self? its not that i don't support or support, blm... it came about and has been existing for how many years? i don't know. get started, many years? i don't know. get started. oh. — many years? i don't know. get started, oh, quite _ many years? i don't know. get started, oh, quite a while ago, at least ten years ago. gk. started, oh, quite a while ago, at least ten years ago.- at least ten years ago. ok, i have been — at least ten years ago. ok, i have been modelling - at least ten years ago. ok, i have been modelling for- at least ten years ago. ok, i have been modelling for ssi have been modelling for 35 years. so for me, the way i have been speaking was like black lives matter without knowing it, so now we have an actual hub with a name and label in a society, and an organisation. and so i feel

like... why is itjust now that we have this permission, we feel that we can... now, speak when you want to speak when when you want to speak when when you want to speak when when you see things that are unjust. when you see things that are un'ust. ,, , ., . when you see things that are un'ust. ,_ i. ., ., when you see things that are un'ust. , ., . ., . unjust. say you are not rated b the unjust. say you are not rated by the label. _ unjust. say you are not rated by the label, blm, _ unjust. say you are not rated by the label, blm, you - unjust. say you are not rated by the label, blm, you don't| by the label, blm, you don't support it? i by the label, blm, you don't support it?— by the label, blm, you don't su--ortit? , support it? i disappointed, but i have support it? i disappointed, but i have been — support it? i disappointed, but i have been doing _ support it? i disappointed, but i have been doing blm, - support it? i disappointed, but i have been doing blm, what. support it? i disappointed, but. i have been doing blm, what i'm saying is blm is not new for me, blm is part of my life. since i understood the effects of what racism can do and what racism can cause. and so for me can at 18 years old, i have been doing blm since i was 18 years old, let's put it that way. years old, let's put it that wa . �* ., way. but not defending the olice way. but not defending the police and _ way. but not defending the police and all _ way. but not defending the police and all of _ way. but not defending the police and all of that? - way. but not defending the police and all of that? nowj way. but not defending the - police and all of that? now can ad'ust police and all of that? now can adjust specifically _ police and all of that? now can adjust specifically about - adjust specifically about racism, racism and my business of fashion, how i was treated, i will always go back to myself experience, because i cannot take and criticise and speak on another�*s experience. i don't know what it feels like. another's experience. i don't know what it feels like. sure. you have _ know what it feels like. sure. you have been _ know what it feels like. sure. you have been talking - know what it feels like. sure. you have been talking about| you have been talking about racism for a long time, as say,

but one phenomenon that's more contemporary is online abuse, and we have heard a great deal about that, of course come after the year ofjuly. which was really. _ after the year ofjuly. which was really. i _ after the year ofjuly. which was really, i sat _ after the year ofjuly. which was really, i sat there - was really, i sat there watching that i was in los angeles, and i sat there watching that and as soon as possible paul didn't going in, i turned around and i said, i really hope that they give security to these boys. because, and i really hope is not going to happen, but i knew it was going to happen.- it was going to happen. wet? the online — it was going to happen. wet? the online racial _ it was going to happen. wet? the online racial abuse? - it was going to happen. wet? the online racial abuse? the | the online racial abuse? the online racial ideas, yes. have you had any of that? fit online racial ideas, yes. have you had any of that? of course. you have _ you had any of that? of course. you have 12 _ you had any of that? of course. you have 12 million _ you had any of that? of course. you have 12 million followers i you have 12 million followers on instagram.— on instagram. many times. i mean, cyber— on instagram. many times. i mean, cyber attack- on instagram. many times. i mean, cyber attack last i on instagram. many times. i| mean, cyber attack last year, hellacious disgrace paul, i mean, i'm not... it was me with a big group of people, a lot of those people went quiet, i didn't. iwill those people went quiet, i didn't. i will not go quiet.

what kind of things ray said to you online?— you online? just like me you know, if— you online? just like me you know. if you _ you online? just like me you know, if you are _ you online? just like me you know, if you are going i you online? just like me you know, if you are going to i you online? just like me you know, if you are going to sit| know, if you are going to sit behind a computer and write terrible things to people, you are a coward. i don't have time for you. are a coward. i don't have time foryou. i'm not going are a coward. i don't have time for you. i'm not going to make you silence me. i'm not a coward. you silence me. i'm not a coward-— you silence me. i'm not a coward. ., ., ., coward. you have also said in american _ coward. you have also said in american vogue _ coward. you have also said in american vogue in _ coward. you have also said in american vogue in december coward. you have also said in i american vogue in december 20 2010i american vogue in december 20 20101 used american vogue in december 20 2010| used said the angry black women label has been used against me many times, you're talking about how the media in general has treated you, and look forward to the silence me, well, here i am. why do you think you have had this kind of coverage?— coverage? because i open my mouth. coverage? because i open my mouth- you — coverage? because i open my mouth. you don't, _ coverage? because i open my mouth. you don't, you - coverage? because i open my mouth. you don't, you know, | mouth. you don't, you know, it's like you don't want to hear from an 18—year—old from south london how she feels, just in front of the camera and do yourjob and shut up. no, that's not who i am. i am still a human being.— that's not who i am. i am still a human being. but do you, and i want to a human being. but do you, and i want to ask — a human being. but do you, and i want to ask you _ a human being. but do you, and i want to ask you this _ a human being. but do you, and i want to ask you this in - a human being. but do you, and

i want to ask you this in a i i want to ask you this in a very, you know, genuine way, because of course, you have well—publicized cases of assaults. well-publicized cases of assaults.— well-publicized cases of. assaults._ four well-publicized cases of i assaults._ four of assaults. of course. four of which took _ assaults. of course. four of which took place _ assaults. of course. four of which took place between i which took place between 98-2009. to what which took place between 98—2009. to what extent do you think me you know, coverage in the press helped fortify that kind of view of you as an angry black women?— black women? like you like at least two _ black women? like you like at least two dozen _ black women? like you like at least two dozen to _ black women? like you like at least two dozen to a _ black women? like you like at| least two dozen to a restaurant and has an argument with a way to a restaurant and has an argument with a waiter, lisa's neckis argument with a waiter, lisa's neck is into an extra round and has an argument.— neck is into an extra round and has an argument._ if has an argument. she's like. if naomi kandel_ has an argument. she's like. if naomi kandel goes _ has an argument. she's like. if naomi kandel goes in - has an argument. she's like. if naomi kandel goes in and i has an argument. she's like. if naomi kandel goes in and has| has an argument. she's like. if| naomi kandel goes in and has a spat with a waiter, it's always like that, it's constantly like that. and it is so embedded that. and it is so embedded that way that maybe you just don't even realise it any more and. ., ., �* ~' don't even realise it any more and. ., ., �* ~ ., and. you don't think that your actions in _ and. you don't think that your actions in any _ and. you don't think that your actions in any way _ and. you don't think that your actions in any way may - and. you don't think that your actions in any way may have i actions in any way may have warranted that perception for some people close make you think it's entirely a function of the air, a result of your race? i of the air, a result of your race? , ., , of the air, a result of your race? , . _ ., ., ,

race? i stand by and own my own thins, race? i stand by and own my own things. my _ race? i stand by and own my own things. my past. _ race? i stand by and own my own things. my past. l _ race? i stand by and own my own things, my past, i was _ race? i stand by and own my own things, my past, i was have i things, my past, i was have to my all is well, but i want to be held hostage by that. and that i will always say. everybody has a past. mine is open and out. maybe it's better that way that i don't have to worry about the bones in the closet. but... it doesn't define me as who i am as a woman. it doesn't define me for who i am for the things that i fight for. it doesn't define me for the country is that i have supported since 1993. so, these things do not stop me from being and continuing my mission that i have within myself, not because someone has told me to do it. it's never been about bad, i'm telling you naomi, do this. ., . . . bad, i'm telling you naomi, do this. ., ., ., . ., this. you are a terrific rail modify so _ this. you are a terrific rail modify so many _ this. you are a terrific rail modify so many black i this. you are a terrific rail i modify so many black women, particularly women in fashion and so on, and also the fact that you have overcome many

obstacles, and as he had said, that you have overcome many obstacles, and as he had said, this use of race —— issues of race, but i was in the audience of 2017 at a women summit in london when you were talking to the interviewer, nancy gibbs, and we know that the fashion world that is, you know, highly pressured and you said, "i work so much at the beginning, i never take a break." and then he went on to discuss your problems that substance abuse and also mentioned how it druggies field some of your outbursts. now that you are taking this landmark step in your career but that's very high—profile position as global and for the queens commonwealth trust, i wonder how you reflect and explain that part of your life? i and explain that part of your life? ., , ., ., life? i would explain at the same way- _ life? i would explain at the same way- l _ life? i would explain at the same way. i am _ life? i would explain at the same way. i am a - life? i would explain at the same way. i am a human i life? i would explain at the i same way. i am a human being. i make mistakes. and nothing will change. i would explain it exactly the same way because people can... if you can go to your mistakes, on your mistakes, look yourself in the mirror... and take heed and

move forward and to be open to change, i think everyone, everyone deserves to have that chance in their life or change. and you managed to bring about this change? i mean, how did you manage that? i’m this change? i mean, how did you manage that?— this change? i mean, how did you manage that? i'm not... i'm ve , you manage that? i'm not... i'm very. i'm — you manage that? i'm not... i'm very, i'm very with _ you manage that? i'm not... i'm very, i'm very with myself, i very, i'm very with myself, straightforward, and not like... i don't live in denial. so to speak. 50 like... i don't live in denial. so to speak-— like... i don't live in denial. so to speak. so accepting that there is a _ so to speak. so accepting that there is a problem _ so to speak. so accepting that there is a problem and - so to speak. so accepting that there is a problem and then i there is a problem and then acting on it?— acting on it? acting on it. absolutely. _ acting on it? acting on it. absolutely. and - acting on it? acting on it. absolutely. and talking i acting on it? acting on it. i absolutely. and talking about the pressures that models experience, particularly those who get to the top, we are all very mindful that there are a lot of allegations of sexual abuse that took place in the modelling world, perhaps even take place now. and the former first lady of france, a model and singer, says, the fashion world is an industry with a lot of young people, a lot of young

flesh for predators. did you yourself come under that kind of pressure? and were you aware of pressure? and were you aware of what was going on? gk. of pressure? and were you aware of what was going on?— of what was going on? ok, so, i was not aware _ of what was going on? ok, so, i was not aware of _ of what was going on? ok, so, i was not aware of what _ of what was going on? ok, so, i was not aware of what was i of what was going on? ok, so, i | was not aware of what was going on 100%. did i have, did i ever have those advances and i was 16-17 have those advances and i was 16—17 years old? absolutely. but, again, i had a mouth. i was shy, but i had a mouth when i knew something was morally wrong. so i had these wonderful legendary designers around me, danny ray saatchi, etc, so i could go to these men and i could go to these men and i could tell them if someone had come unto me in a way that was not right, and i waited. and i did. and they were my protectors. so i used that people that wear, you know,

embracing me to protect me. id embracing me to protect me. d think this has something to do with your upbringing? you have very strong female role models can be your mother. i definitely... ruby, i can be your mother. i i definitely... ruby, your can be your mother. i - definitely... ruby, your great grandmother _ definitely... ruby, your great grandmother who _ definitely... ruby, your great grandmother who brought i definitely... ruby, your great| grandmother who brought you definitely... ruby, your great i grandmother who brought you up a lot and you have a live chat if you commit your conveyor aunt... i if you commit your conveyor aunt... , if you commit your conveyor aunt- - -_ do - if you commit your conveyor| aunt. . ._ do you aunt... idefinitely... do you thinkthat— aunt... idefinitely... do you think that helped _ aunt... i definitely... do you think that helped you - aunt... i definitely... do you i think that helped you confront these challenges?— these challenges? definitely i was surrounded _ these challenges? definitely i was surrounded by _ these challenges? definitely i was surrounded by a - these challenges? definitely i was surrounded by a strong i was surrounded by a strong group of women and i fear that they don't let anyone get away with anything. you know, you are not going to sleep, you are going to hear it, and ifeel that that is why i am the way that that is why i am the way that i am, and i am grateful for that and it is that way until this very day.- for that and it is that way until this very day. and you yourself — until this very day. and you yourself have _ until this very day. and you yourself have recently i until this very day. and you i yourself have recently become the mother of a gorgeous little girl, you surprised everybody that the announcement in may. it's difficult to be a mother at any age, but to become a first—time mother at the age of 51, i wonder how you are finding it to.— 51, i wonder how you are finding it to. really, really lucky can _ finding it to. really, really lucky can i _ finding it to. really, really lucky can i think _ finding it to. really, really lucky can i think i - finding it to. really, really lucky can i think i the i finding it to. really, really i lucky can i think i the dream child. she is wonderful. she is

so atomic very independent already. very smart. alert. sleeps 12 hours. she's a good girl. sleeps 12 hours. she's a good irl, ., ., sleeps 12 hours. she's a good rirl. . ., ., girl. so you are going to instill the _ girl. so you are going to instill the values - girl. so you are going to instill the values that i girl. so you are going to. instill the values that you girl. so you are going to i instill the values that you are brought up with to be a strong independent women? absolutely, absolutely. _ independent women? absolutely, absolutely, right _ independent women? absolutely, absolutely, right down _ independent women? absolutely, absolutely, right down to - independent women? absolutely, absolutely, right down to the i absolutely, right down to the hygiene pride. absolutely, right down to the hygiene pride-— absolutely, right down to the hygiene pride. naomi campbell, thank ou hygiene pride. naomi campbell, thank you very _ hygiene pride. naomi campbell, thank you very much _ hygiene pride. naomi campbell, thank you very much indeed i hygiene pride. naomi campbell, thank you very much indeed for| thank you very much indeed for coming on to hardtalk.- coming on to hardtalk. thank ou so coming on to hardtalk. thank you so much — coming on to hardtalk. thank you so much for— coming on to hardtalk. thank you so much for having - coming on to hardtalk. thank you so much for having me, i you so much for having me, thank you so much. hello. well, most of us had some pretty decent weather on thursday, some warm spells of sunshine. friday's not looking bad — for most of us, but not for everybody. we are expecting some rain across western parts of the uk. and on the satellite picture,

you can see the reason — a weather front is approaching. in fact, it's already been cloudy and damp across northern ireland and parts of western scotland. and this weather front, as it approaches the british isles, is slowing down and, in fact, it's going to stall across western parts of the uk over the next 2—3 days. so here it is through the early hours of the morning, approaching western parts of the uk — as i said, it's already damp in the northwest — but very mild, these warm southerlies ahead of it mean that temperatures in some spots in the northwest won't be any lower than 15 celsius first thing in the morning. so warm and damp, and wet at times in northern ireland and western scotland through the morning and into lunchtime. but around the irish sea, wales, the southwest is cloudy with rain at times. further towards the east, especially across england, it's looking absolutely fine, warm spells of sunshine with temperatures up to 21 celsius. it's going to be a fine day

across many parts of england. here's a look at saturday — and the weather front is still over us. there's actually not an awful lot of rain on saturday, just bits and pieces here and there out towards the west — again, the best of the weather will be across central and eastern areas. the winds are still very light, so nothing's really moving around across the uk, so where the cloud is in the rain, it's still out towards the west. here are the temperatures — i7 celsius in glasgow, around about 22 in england. now the forecast for sunday shows that that weather front�*s still there — if anything, it re—invigorates itself. that's sometimes what happens, so there'll be more rain around on sunday, i think a greater chance of catching some rain almost anywhere in the uk. so, out of the two days, saturday is definitely going to be the sunnier day for most of us. you can see that rain reaching some central and eastern areas end of the weekend. how about into next week? a quick look at the weather for monday and tuesday —

here are the temperatures, and the weather looks a little variable. bye— bye.

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