that could take is quite a long way through the rest of the year. the thing about winter in the nhs. it actually lasts

until april the next year and it is only september and we've been talking about it all week. the reshuffle. it is pretty much nearly done as we are recording this on thursday evening but let's recap the big winners because what has been happening is the lower rungs of the ladder. the top rungs were done on wed and stay and the big winners are liz truss who is now the foreign secretary, now the second woman to hold the role in the first conservative woman. i think it probably is the biggest surprise. and robert

buckland is one of the three cabinet ministers to lose his job. he was this just a secretary. and the cladding crisis. and gavin williamson and that was no surprise. i think it is fair to say. she was found out but there was movers as well as big names here. i'll be really intrigued to see if he does anything with that add—on title he got. the bonus title deputy prime minister. after a black belt move he ended up getting that bubble which as i understand it, boris johnson did not tend to give him at the beginning of the meeting but he was cross about moving and cross about what he perceives, as i understand it,

being blamed for the debacle of the afghan withdrawal. interesting that michael gove, hugely prominent figure in politics for a long time now, has become a housing secretary but also he has responsibility for the union and something we will talk about in this programme levelling out. find programme levelling out. and finall . programme levelling out. and finally. another _ programme levelling out. and finally. another surprise here. the well respected culture secretary who people thought maybe he would go to education. some of his team thought may be the cabinet office because he is an organiser type and he is going to go and organise the conservative central office. so getting them ready for the election. ., election. further down the ranks and _ election. further down the ranks and we _ election. further down the ranks and we are - election. further down the ranks and we are getting l election. further down the i ranks and we are getting new names coming in tonight, lots of people and a couple of quite surprising moves. the schools ministerfor a long time, widely respected in the sector. and another one. john

whittingdale. fight back thank you for coming on newscast. what happened this morning and as we get into the story, and you are a good sport to come on and talk to us on the day that yourjob has gone so thank you for sharing what really happened. i for sharing what really happened-— for sharing what really hauened. ., ., ., happened. i had a call late last night _ happened. i had a call late last night from _ happened. i had a call late last night from the - happened. i had a call late last night from the prime l last night from the prime minister said to me that he was grateful— minister said to me that he was grateful for all that i have done _ grateful for all that i have done but it was the usual thing about— done but it was the usual thing about needing to make room for young _ about needing to make room for young and — about needing to make room for young and up—and—coming tory mp5 _ young and up—and—coming tory mpsand— young and up—and—coming tory mp5 and i — young and up—and—coming tory mps and i am young and probably know_ mps and i am young and probably know your— mps and i am young and probably know your longer up—and—coming so, to— know your longer up—and—coming so, to that — know your longer up—and—coming so, to that extent. i could sort — so, to that extent. i could sort of _ so, to that extent. i could sort of understand. i did feel that— sort of understand. i did feel that i— sort of understand. i did feel that i was— sort of understand. i did feel that i was doing a reasonably good — that i was doing a reasonably good job. there was an awful lot going _ good job. there was an awful lot going on which i was dealing _ lot going on which i was dealing with so i am very sad to stop — dealing with so i am very sad to stop doing it but, you know, i wish — to stop doing it but, you know, i wish my— to stop doing it but, you know, i wish my successor every success _ i wish my successor every success with it and i will continue to help them in any way— continue to help them in any way i — continue to help them in any way i cart _ continue to help them in any way i can-— continue to help them in any way i can. you are stewarding some big _ way i can. you are stewarding some big things _ way i can. you are stewarding some big things to _

way i can. you are stewarding some big things to your- some big things to your department and government priorities like the potential privatisation of channel 4. you think your departure is kind of damaging to those projects, then? i damaging to those pro'ects, then? ., then? i had three responsibilities, i then? i had three - responsibilities, each of then? i had three _ responsibilities, each of which was looking at really quite considerable legislative change, notjust channel 4 but the whole _ change, notjust channel 4 but the whole future of public service _ the whole future of public service broadcasting and how we bring _ service broadcasting and how we bring it— service broadcasting and how we bring it up— service broadcasting and how we bring it up to date but also the — bring it up to date but also the data _ bring it up to date but also the data reforms which we are now _ the data reforms which we are now able — the data reforms which we are now able to make as a result of brexit— now able to make as a result of brexit where we can set our own data _ brexit where we can set our own data laws — brexit where we can set our own data laws and thirdly, i was overseeing the gambling review where _ overseeing the gambling review where there is no doubt we do need — where there is no doubt we do need to— where there is no doubt we do need to do more to protect those — need to do more to protect those people who are vulnerable. there were a lot of hi i vulnerable. there were a lot of big things _ vulnerable. there were a lot of big things in the trouble with reshuffles is that you bring in ministers _ reshuffles is that you bring in ministers who normally do not have _ ministers who normally do not have the — ministers who normally do not have the depth of knowledge. i was very— have the depth of knowledge. i was very unusual when i first went— was very unusual when i first went to _ was very unusual when i first went to secretary of state because i had spent ten years chairing — because i had spent ten years chairing a _ because i had spent ten years chairing a committee so i did know— chairing a committee so i did know the _ chairing a committee so i did know the subject but that is quite — know the subject but that is quite uncommon and so, you know, _ quite uncommon and so, you know. you _ quite uncommon and so, you know, you don't have to spend time _ know, you don't have to spend time with— know, you don't have to spend time with the ministers getting up time with the ministers getting

up to— time with the ministers getting up to speed before they can really— up to speed before they can really start taking decisions. that— really start taking decisions. that is— really start taking decisions. that is one of the things about the department. the secretary of state has gone. caroline, one of your colleagues she is gone and you have gone and you have worked in the sector for a long time so do you think the government willjust long time so do you think the government will just crack long time so do you think the government willjust crack on with what you have just described, really big changes in this part of the political landscape?— in this part of the political landscae? , , , , landscape? they must because all three of— landscape? they must because all three of the _ landscape? they must because all three of the areas _ landscape? they must because all three of the areas that - landscape? they must because all three of the areas that i - all three of the areas that i have — all three of the areas that i have described a very important. we need to update legislation, data represents a huge — legislation, data represents a huge opportunity post—brexit. puhiic— huge opportunity post—brexit. public service broadcasting needs— public service broadcasting needs to be brought into the modern _ needs to be brought into the modern age to deal with the rise of— modern age to deal with the rise of the streaming services and the — rise of the streaming services and the shift in the way people consume — and the shift in the way people consume tv and gambling, there is no _ consume tv and gambling, there is no doubt — consume tv and gambling, there is no doubt that the gambling commission needs a review and that we — commission needs a review and that we need to look at putting in place — that we need to look at putting in place greater protection. all these are areas where, whoever _ all these are areas where, whoever is in charge, we are

going — whoever is in charge, we are going to _ whoever is in charge, we are going to need to make those changes _ going to need to make those chances. ., , changes. you were very identified _ changes. you were very identified with - changes. you were very identified with this - changes. you were very identified with this idea | changes. you were very . identified with this idea of selling channel 4 so it is no longer a public service broadcaster. do you think that the fact you are no longer there and you are so associated with that policy suggest the government is more lukewarm about going ahead without than they were two days ago? the first thing — they were two days ago? the first thing to _ they were two days ago? the first thing to say _ they were two days ago? the first thing to say is _ they were two days ago? the first thing to say is that channel 4 will remain a public service — channel 4 will remain a public service broadcaster whatever happens _ service broadcaster whatever happens to the ownership of it. we are — happens to the ownership of it. we are completely committed to that but — we are completely committed to that but i— we are completely committed to that but i would say that obviously the government it's decision— obviously the government it's decision to discuss the ownership of channel 4 was a decision— ownership of channel 4 was a decision taken by the secretary of state — decision taken by the secretary of state but as a result of cabinet _ of state but as a result of cabinet discussion and ultimately with the authority in support of the prime minister. that has not changed in the — minister. that has not changed in the arguments why it is necessary to look at the future of channel 4 have not changed either— of channel 4 have not changed either so — of channel 4 have not changed either so i _ of channel 4 have not changed either so i don't think you should _ either so i don't think you should read into it any shift in the — should read into it any shift in the policy, personalities don't — in the policy, personalities don't necessarily determine policies _ don't necessarily determine policies and this is something

the government agreed needed to be considered. and the government agreed needed to be considered.— be considered. and what about the bbc? you _ be considered. and what about the bbc? you said _ be considered. and what about the bbc? you said it _ be considered. and what about the bbc? you said it is - the bbc? you said it is something which is a huge area for the government. a big landscape of public service broadcasting and has been suggested in the last couple of weeks that the government was no view of the licence fee will not and should not rise at the same level as inflation. is that your view?— same level as inflation. is that your view? i'm not going to comment _ that your view? i'm not going to comment on _ that your view? i'm not going to comment on what - that your view? i'm not going to comment on what disco i that your view? i'm not going to comment on what disco do that your view? i'm not going i to comment on what disco do is make _ to comment on what disco do is make decision is going to be... you _ make decision is going to be... you are — make decision is going to be... you are a — make decision is going to be... you are a freeman! | make decision is going to be... you are a freeman!— you are a freeman! i was involved _ you are a freeman! i was involved in _ you are a freeman! i was involved in this _ you are a freeman! i was| involved in this discussion you are a freeman! i was i involved in this discussion is there — involved in this discussion is there has— involved in this discussion is there has not been a final decision— there has not been a final decision taken. it may well be that— decision taken. it may well be that the — decision taken. it may well be that the new secretary of state want _ that the new secretary of state want to — that the new secretary of state want to look at that. is that the new secretary of state want to look at that.— want to look at that. is at our want to look at that. is at your view— want to look at that. is at your view that _ want to look at that. is at your view that that i want to look at that. is at your view that that is i want to look at that. is at your view that that is the | your view that that is the right decision?— your view that that is the right decision? i'm not going to tell you — right decision? i'm not going to tell you what _ right decision? i'm not going to tell you what my - right decision? i'm not going to tell you what my view i right decision? i'm not going to tell you what my view of l right decision? i'm not going l to tell you what my view of the decision— to tell you what my view of the decision is— to tell you what my view of the decision is before the decision is announced. is decision is before the decision is announced.— is announced. is that your view? that _ is announced. is that your view? that the _ is announced. is that your view? that the licence i is announced. is that your| view? that the licence fee should not go up with inflation. i should not go up with inflation.— inflation. i am a huge summer— inflation. i am a huge supporter of - inflation. i am a huge supporter of the i inflation. i am a hugej supporter of the bbc. inflation. i am a huge i supporter of the bbc. the inflation. i am a huge - supporter of the bbc. the bbc

needs— supporter of the bbc. the bbc needs to — supporter of the bbc. the bbc needs to be secure with the financial— needs to be secure with the financial backing but come on the other— financial backing but come on the other hand, we have to recognise that these are hard times — recognise that these are hard times. households are under considerable pressure and it is a balance _ considerable pressure and it is a balance that needs to be drawn— a balance that needs to be drawn on this is a five year settlement but honestly, i am not going to tell you what the government is likely to announce even though i'm no longer— announce even though i'm no longer a _ announce even though i'm no longer a minister even though it was— longer a minister even though it was something was closely involved _ it was something was closely involved and i will wait for the — involved and i will wait for the government to announce its finai— the government to announce its final decision.— final decision. some ministerial - final decision. some ministerial habits i final decision. some | ministerial habits die final decision. some i ministerial habits die very hard. let's talk about the surprise, even including people, that she was elevated to be culture secretary. if you had a phd in the work of that department were qualification how she got? i department were qualification how she got?— how she got? i delivered, rather curiously, - how she got? i delivered, rather curiously, a - how she got? i delivered, j rather curiously, a speech how she got? i delivered, i rather curiously, a speech last night — rather curiously, a speech last night the _ rather curiously, a speech last night the royal television society, because i was still in post— society, because i was still in post at— society, because i was still in post at that time even though he had — post at that time even though he had gone off to be transferred to the chairmanship

of the _ transferred to the chairmanship of the conservative party. reshuffles are just really weird, actually.— reshuffles are just really weird, actually. but it was ointed weird, actually. but it was pointed out _ weird, actually. but it was pointed out and _ weird, actually. but it was pointed out and her i weird, actually. but it was i pointed out and her appointment had been — pointed out and her appointment had been announced, one of the things— had been announced, one of the things she — had been announced, one of the things she is best known for his having been a contestant on i am _ his having been a contestant on i am a — his having been a contestant on i am a celebrity get me out of here — i am a celebrity get me out of here. share some experience of television — here. share some experience of television as a result. i have known — television as a result. i have known her— television as a result. i have known her and i like her television as a result. i have known herand i like herand i'm sure— known herand i like herand i'm sure she will do a good job but she — i'm sure she will do a good job but she has come from having been — but she has come from having been wrestling with covid in the department of health for some — the department of health for some time, she is going to have to get— some time, she is going to have to get up— some time, she is going to have to get up to speed with some very— to get up to speed with some very different issues and ones which — very different issues and ones which are _ very different issues and ones which are quite complicated and challenging. and, you know, i wish _ challenging. and, you know, i wish her— challenging. and, you know, i wish her every success and i'm happy— wish her every success and i'm happy to— wish her every success and i'm happy to do what i can to help but one — happy to do what i can to help but one thing that the secretary of state, whoever holds — secretary of state, whoever holds that post, is to interfere in the editorial decision, the secretary of state _ decision, the secretary of state and the board, the director—general, we set the

licence — director—general, we set the licence fee, something that is about— licence fee, something that is about to — licence fee, something that is about to happen. we don't tell the bbc— about to happen. we don't tell the bbc what they can and cannot— the bbc what they can and cannot broadcast. that is something which i have always believed — something which i have always believed in and i am sure that will continue to be the position. will continue to be the position-— will continue to be the osition. ., ,, , ., position. to think temperament she may be _ position. to think temperament she may be tempted _ position. to think temperament she may be tempted to - position. to think temperament she may be tempted to go i position. to think temperament she may be tempted to go into | she may be tempted to go into that zone and may be... she may be tempted to go into that zone and may be. . .- that zone and may be... there is nothing _ that zone and may be... there is nothing wrong _ that zone and may be... there is nothing wrong with - that zone and may be... there is nothing wrong with the i is nothing wrong with the secretary of state or indeed anybody expressing views of the content — anybody expressing views of the content of particular programming and she will have the opportunity to talk on a regular— the opportunity to talk on a regular basis to both the director—general and the chair of the — director—general and the chair of the bbc, and i am sure she will express her view. but we have — will express her view. but we have an — will express her view. but we have an independent bbc. and that is— have an independent bbc. and that is something which i believe _ that is something which i believe we need to protect. 0verall— believe we need to protect. overall you have been part of notjust overall you have been part of not just this overall you have been part of notjust this government overall you have been part of not just this government that you havejust left not just this government that you have just left but others. if you look at the shape of the team that borisjohnson has lined up, does it make sense to you? is there a kind of coherence to it that you can

identify for newscasters or is it sort of borisjohnson the pragmatist thinking, well, i want to make a few changes and move a few people around but maybe there isn't big ideology behind it? flit maybe there isn't big ideology behind it? , . ., , behind it? of the big changes that were _ behind it? of the big changes that were made _ behind it? of the big changes that were made some - behind it? of the big changes that were made some of- behind it? of the big changes| that were made some of been speculated about for some considerable time and therefore cannot— considerable time and therefore cannot come as a complete surprise. — cannot come as a complete surprise. others, thinker, came out of— surprise. others, thinker, came out ofthe — surprise. others, thinker, came out of the blue. i think, i understand that every prime minister— understand that every prime minister has to make room to allow— minister has to make room to allow people to be brought forward. that is never an easy thing — forward. that is never an easy thing i— forward. that is never an easy thing. i also quite recognise that— thing. i also quite recognise that the _ thing. i also quite recognise that the prime minister is keen to have — that the prime minister is keen to have a — that the prime minister is keen to have a front facing cabinet that — to have a front facing cabinet that reflects modern britain so we need — that reflects modern britain so we need to have representation from _ we need to have representation from across the whole of the united — from across the whole of the united kingdom. you need to have — united kingdom. you need to have moving towards greater gender— have moving towards greater gender balance, more diversity, all of— gender balance, more diversity, all of those things are absolutely necessary and equally i think it is no bad thing _ equally i think it is no bad thing to— equally i think it is no bad thing to have a bit of experience around that table and people who have got a good

grasp— and people who have got a good grasp of— and people who have got a good grasp of the detail of the jobs they— grasp of the detail of the jobs they are — grasp of the detail of the jobs they are being asked to do. i'd make — they are being asked to do. i'd make not— they are being asked to do. i'd make not a reference to the dean, — make not a reference to the dean, i— make not a reference to the dean, i am completely sure. i am completely... are you a bit cross? you sound pretty sanguine about the whole thing. are you a bit cross? it sounds as if you havejust are you a bit cross? it sounds as if you have just explained very clearly that basically you lost your job very clearly that basically you lost yourjob because boris johnson wanted a team that looked different not necessarily people who would be better able to do the job. i was... there were only two members _ was... there were only two members of the entire government who had been elected before _ government who had been elected before 2000. they were myself and nick— before 2000. they were myself and nick gibb. both of us are no longer— and nick gibb. both of us are no longer in those jobs. so to that— no longer in those jobs. so to that extent, and a clearly it was — that extent, and a clearly it was to _ that extent, and a clearly it was to do— that extent, and a clearly it was to do with refreshing and bringing — was to do with refreshing and bringing forward up and coming members, and! bringing forward up and coming members, and i understand that. i was _ members, and i understand that. i was enjoying the job. it's something i've spent a lot of

time — something i've spent a lot of time on. _ something i've spent a lot of time on, in various different positions _ time on, in various different positions foot up a chair the select— positions foot up a chair the select committee were ten years. _ select committee were ten years. i— select committee were ten years, i was secretary of state for a — years, i was secretary of state for a time. — years, i was secretary of state for a time, i was shadow secretary before that and it is a job— secretary before that and it is a job i— secretary before that and it is a job i love it i'm obviously sad — a job i love it i'm obviously sad to— a job i love it i'm obviously sad to give it up that doesn't mean — sad to give it up that doesn't mean i — sad to give it up that doesn't mean i can continue to contribute even though i'm not sitting — contribute even though i'm not sitting on— contribute even though i'm not sitting on the minister's chair~ _ sitting on the minister's chair. so, yeah, i sitting on the minister's chair. so, yeah, lam disappointed but, you know, that— disappointed but, you know, that is— disappointed but, you know, that is politics with all of us who— that is politics with all of us who go— that is politics with all of us who go into politics know that it is a — who go into politics know that it is a very _ who go into politics know that it is a very uncertain and occasionally quite brutal business. it occasionally quite brutal business.— occasionally quite brutal business. , , business. it seems to be the onl 'ob business. it seems to be the only job in — business. it seems to be the only job in britain _ business. it seems to be the only job in britain were i onlyjob in britain were actually your boss can discriminate based on age. that would be legal anywhere else. i was not told that was the reason _ was not told that was the reason but, you know, i accept that— reason but, you know, i accept that i— reason but, you know, i accept that i have _ reason but, you know, i accept that i have been around for quite — that i have been around for quite a _ that i have been around for quite a long time in parliament compared _ quite a long time in parliament compared to particularly, we have — compared to particularly, we have got— compared to particularly, we have got a huge new intake of people — have got a huge new intake of people who have just arrived all of — people who have just arrived all of whom are very evil and ambitious _ all of whom are very evil and ambitious in the prime minister obviously— ambitious in the prime minister obviously is going to want to demonstrate that talent will be rewarded and you can't go on promoting people unless some people —

promoting people unless some people are asked to stand aside~ _ people are asked to stand aside. that doesn't make it any easier, — aside. that doesn't make it any easier, particularly if those people. _ easier, particularly if those people, and are not necessarily talking — people, and are not necessarily talking about myself, one or two of — talking about myself, one or two of my other colleagues who have _ two of my other colleagues who have stepped down in the last 24-hour— have stepped down in the last 24—hour tour doing a very good 'ob 24—hour tour doing a very good job and — 24—hour tour doing a very good job and did _ 24—hour tour doing a very good job and did nothing which merited their removal. last question- — merited their removal. last question. what _ merited their removal. last question. what are - merited their removal. last question. what are you i merited their removal. last question. what are you going to do with yourself? do you fancy doing a swap and go into the jungle next time around. i don't think i will be in the jungle _ don't think i will be in the “uncle. ~ ., don't think i will be in the “uncle.~ ., ., , _ don't think i will be in the 'untle,~ ., don't think i will be in the “uncle.~ ., ., jungle. we are happy you gave us the time — jungle. we are happy you gave us the time of _ jungle. we are happy you gave us the time of the _ jungle. we are happy you gave us the time of the day - jungle. we are happy you gave us the time of the day that i jungle. we are happy you gave| us the time of the day that you were announced as leaving your post. thank you very much for being a good sport and talking about your departure on the day it happened. thank you. fihaiii it happened. thank you. shall we cive it happened. thank you. shall we give them _ it happened. thank you. shall we give them the _ it happened. thank you. shall we give them the authentic. we give them the authentic westminster experience of a reshuffle which is talking about it even more? yes. the a n n about it even more? yes. the app talking — about it even more? yes. the app talking about _ about it even more? yes. the app talking about it _ about it even more? yes. the app talking about it all- app talking about it all weekend last week. newscasters might remember that it might be on for next weekend here we were. . on for next weekend here we were. , a, ,., on for next weekend here we were, , �* ., , ., , on for next weekend here we were. , , ., were. chris mason is not here in his socially _

were. chris mason is not here in his socially distanced i were. chris mason is not here in his socially distanced news| in his socially distanced news but the former education secretary and founder of the social mobility pledgejustine greening social mobility pledgejustine greening is in there. social mobility pledge justine greening is in there.- greening is in there. hello. how are greening is in there. hello. how |greening is in there. hello. how are you, _ greening is in there. hello. how — |greening is in there. hello. how are you, adam? - greening is in there. hello. how — |greening is in there. hello. how are you, adam? you i greening is in there. hello. how — |greening is in there. hello. . how are you, adam? you have greening is in there. hello. i how are you, adam? you have been out _ how are you, adam? you have been out of— how are you, adam? you have been out of the _ how are you, adam? you have been out of the front _ how are you, adam? you have been out of the front line - how are you, adam? you have been out of the front line and l been out of the front line and contributing in another way but does that mean you're still totally glued to the reshuffle gossip and social media would you live life like a normal person now? it you live life like a normal person now?— person now? it is a bit of both. person now? it is a bit of both- i — person now? it is a bit of both- i do _ person now? it is a bit of both. i do still— person now? it is a bit of both. i do still get - person now? it is a bit of both. i do still get this i both. i do still get this pavlovian pit in my stomach feeling _ pavlovian pit in my stomach feeling whenever there is a reshuffle and so... in feeling whenever there is a reshuffle and so. . .- reshuffle and so... in case they call — reshuffle and so... in case they call you _ reshuffle and so. .. in case they call you back- reshuffle and so... in case they call you back in? - reshuffle and so... in case they call you back in? it i reshuffle and so... in case they call you back in? it is| they call you back in? it is totally pavlovian. - they call you back in? it is totally pavlovian. just - they call you back in? it is totally pavlovian. just the | totally pavlovian. just the weirdest experience you can go for. weirdest experience you can go for~ no— weirdest experience you can go for. no more jobs you get to apply. — for. no more jobs you get to apply. if— for. no more jobs you get to apply, if you want to leave you probably— apply, if you want to leave you probably resign and then do three — probably resign and then do three months and move on. cabinet _ three months and move on. cabinet reshuffle is at the opposite. you getjobs you never— opposite. you getjobs you never applied for and when you're _ never applied for and when you're not ready to leave your often —

you're not ready to leave your often ending up finding yourself leaving so they are totally _ yourself leaving so they are totally bizarre and unsettling experiences. in a sense it is the — experiences. in a sense it is the political equivalent of a cold — the political equivalent of a cold shower. it is a necessary evil— cold shower. it is a necessary evil at — cold shower. it is a necessary evil at times, but i don't think_ evil at times, but i don't think anyone really enjoys them _ think anyone really enjoys them. i'd make your big social mobilily— them. i'd make your big social mobility is_ them. i'd make your big social mobility is of the big idea that— mobility is of the big idea that your background doesn't stop— that your background doesn't stop your effect where you end ”p stop your effect where you end up when — stop your effect where you end up when you are in the world of work_ up when you are in the world of work so — up when you are in the world of work so let's look at what that means — work so let's look at what that means in— work so let's look at what that means in terms of the new look cabinet — means in terms of the new look cabinet and our colleague joseph— cabinet and our colleague joseph who is a number cruncher extraordinaire and has an amazing _ extraordinaire and has an amazing stats for us. the new cabinet of _ amazing stats for us. the new cabinet of people _ amazing stats for us. the new cabinet of people attending i cabinet of people attending cabinet is 27% female which is up cabinet is 27% female which is up so that is a good thing, isn't it? it up so that is a good thing, isn't it? , , isn't it? it is interesting because _ isn't it? it is interesting because your _ isn't it? it is interesting because your message, isn't it? it is interesting - because your message, who's coming — because your message, who's coming into the pipeline and how— coming into the pipeline and how they get on with it. when you look— how they get on with it. when you look at the percentage of women — you look at the percentage of women are borisjohnson you look at the percentage of women are boris johnson was my cabinet, — women are boris johnson was my cabinet, broadly they reflect the fact— cabinet, broadly they reflect the fact that a quarter of conservative mps are female so

you can — conservative mps are female so you can see if the conservative party— you can see if the conservative party wants more female cabinet ministers — party wants more female cabinet ministers it probably needs to widen— ministers it probably needs to widen the pipeline in the first place — widen the pipeline in the first place but it looks like when women _ place but it looks like when women are in parliament they are making theirway women are in parliament they are making their way through to the top — are making their way through to the top table. find are making their way through to the tap table-— the top table. and then you have got — the top table. and then you have got a _ the top table. and then you have got a whole _ the top table. and then you have got a whole other - the top table. and then you i have got a whole other metric you can do here. for example, people went to oxford or cambridge university. that has fallen slightly but is still about 45%, around that squished about 45%, around that squished a table. about 4596, around that squished a table. ~ ., about 4596, around that squished a table. ~ . ,, about 4596, around that squished a table. ~ ., i. ., ,, about 4596, around that squished atable. ~ ., .,~ ., a table. what you make of it when you — a table. what you make of it when you hear— a table. what you make of it when you hear that? - a table. what you make of it when you hear that? i - a table. what you make of it when you hear that? i think| a table. what you make of it. when you hear that? i think you can almost _ when you hear that? i think you can almost contrast _ when you hear that? i think you can almost contrast the - can almost contrast the situation on women cabinet to the situation on state educated people — the situation on state educated people in cabinet. and there, i think. — people in cabinet. and there, i think, borisjohnson's latest cabinet _ think, borisjohnson's latest cabinet has a band i think 6162% _ cabinet has a band i think 6162% of its people round the table — 6162% of its people round the table educated privately compared with 70% of the population. —— 7%. and 41% of conservative mps are privately

educated so that there is a double _ educated so that there is a double challenge for boris johnson. a prime minister who said _ johnson. a prime minister who said talent is spread evenly but opportunity is not. who said talent is spread evenly but opportunity is not. who is the toughest _ but opportunity is not. who is the toughest gig _ but opportunity is not. who is the toughest gig in _ but opportunity is not. who is the toughest gig in the - but opportunity is not. who is the toughest gig in the new i the toughest gig in the new cabinet? you are at the department for transport and the department for international development and you've done lots of different jobs and when you think that education, gavin williamson has had a choppy time in there. if you think has got the toughest gig? a, you think has got the toughest m7 . . you think has got the toughest i|i ? . . , ., you think has got the toughest i|i 7 . . , ., 4' gig? a great question. i think robabl gig? a great question. i think probably michael— gig? a great question. i think probably michael gove. - gig? a great question. i think probably michael gove. his . probably michael gove. his inbox — probably michael gove. his inbox doesn't have a lot of... a lot — inbox doesn't have a lot of... a lot of— inbox doesn't have a lot of... a lot of things that are not exceptionally hard. whether it is planning, some of the leaseholder stuff, the really challenging question particularly for those people living — particularly for those people living in _ particularly for those people living in cities of cladding. there _ living in cities of cladding. there is— living in cities of cladding. there is a range of challenges for michael gove that i think the other challenge he has got as he — the other challenge he has got as he is— the other challenge he has got as he is in— the other challenge he has got as he is in charge of levelling up as he is in charge of levelling up and — as he is in charge of levelling up and i_ as he is in charge of levelling up and i think it is a lot harder— up and i think it is a lot harderto doa up and i think it is a lot harder to do a levelling up

strategy where different places and communities have differed levelling up challenges and the issue _ levelling up challenges and the issue is— levelling up challenges and the issue is to let 1000 flowers bloom. _ issue is to let 1000 flowers bloom. i_ issue is to let 1000 flowers bloom, i think. issue is to let 1000 flowers bloom, ithink. and issue is to let 1000 flowers bloom, i think. and that means having — bloom, i think. and that means having a — bloom, i think. and that means having a national architecture levelling _ having a national architecture levelling up goals but then allowing local communities to really— allowing local communities to really work out for themselves how they — really work out for themselves how they put those plans in place — how they put those plans in place would have the role in government in levelling up is actually— government in levelling up is actually to be an enabler rather— actually to be an enabler rather than a director on levelling up and i think that is michael gove's challenge. you — is michael gove's challenge. you know the education system and the school system for the back of your hand, is there a way that gavin williamson could have handled that crisis and a better way done something differently? i better way done something differently?— differently? i think what he really needed _ differently? i think what he really needed to _ differently? i think what he really needed to do - differently? i think what he really needed to do is - differently? i think what he really needed to do is to i differently? i think what he i really needed to do is to break down — really needed to do is to break down the — really needed to do is to break down the challenges that schools and children and parents _ schools and children and parents were going to face into much _ parents were going to face into much more actionable chunks and ithink— much more actionable chunks and i think what you ended up with was guidelines coming out of the dfe _ was guidelines coming out of the dfe to schools which were

really — the dfe to schools which were really in — the dfe to schools which were really in different situations in different parts of the country and again, needed something that was much more tailored~ — something that was much more tailored~ i— something that was much more tailored. i think the laptop programme really should and could — programme really should and could have been nailed much earlier— could have been nailed much earlier to _ could have been nailed much earlier to make sure that being on the — earlier to make sure that being on the wrong side of the digital— on the wrong side of the digital divide wasn't going to stop— digital divide wasn't going to stop young people and children from _ stop young people and children from studying. i think we could have _ from studying. i think we could have mobilised a lot more community spaces for children to be — community spaces for children to be able to have the quiet spaces _ to be able to have the quiet spaces they need to keep studying. socially distanced, that's — studying. socially distanced, that's what it took. i think there _ that's what it took. i think there is— that's what it took. i think there is a _ that's what it took. i think there is a whole range of areas. _ there is a whole range of areas, actually, where we could have _ areas, actually, where we could have had — areas, actually, where we could have had a _ areas, actually, where we could have had a real call to action. we did — have had a real call to action. we did that on the nhs and we really— we did that on the nhs and we really so — we did that on the nhs and we really so lots of volunteers and — really so lots of volunteers and businesses step forward to try and — and businesses step forward to try and play their role during the pandemic. iwould have loved — the pandemic. iwould have loved to— the pandemic. iwould have loved to have seen what that looked — loved to have seen what that looked like to help our children and their teachers and schools — children and their teachers and schools get through the pandemic more more easily as well _ pandemic more more easily as well it— pandemic more more easily as well. it will be very interesting to see what everyone with newjobs in this reshuffle _ everyone with newjobs in this reshuffle do with their new briefs— reshuffle do with their new briefs butjust at

reshuffle do with their new briefs but just at the very beginning you said the reshuffle was a bit like a cold shower _ reshuffle was a bit like a cold shower. , ., , shower. somebody who is in government _ shower. somebody who is in government are _ shower. somebody who is in government are on - shower. somebody who is in government are on the - shower. somebody who is in | government are on the same shower. somebody who is in - government are on the same time as you told me that in one of the reshuffles, where you are being given a cold shower, you are being moved from transport to another department and i am told on fairly good authority you are not very happy about it and you lock yourself in andy coulson's office refusing to move. is that scurrilous and untrue of what really happened? i certainly don't remember that but i _ i certainly don't remember that but i do — i certainly don't remember that but i do remember i was livid and _ but i do remember i was livid and being— but i do remember i was livid and being moved afterjust 11 or 12 — and being moved afterjust 11 or 12 months a transport when i wasiust— or 12 months a transport when i wasjust getting going. and i felt l — wasjust getting going. and i felt i had a lot more to do in that— felt i had a lot more to do in that department. i guess it comes— that department. i guess it comes down to levelling up. i suppose _ comes down to levelling up. i suppose i_ comes down to levelling up. i suppose i felt it was unfair and — suppose i felt it was unfair and the _ suppose i felt it was unfair and the spy minister who had had so — and the spy minister who had had so much opportunity in his life was— had so much opportunity in his life was suddenly taking this

cabinet _ life was suddenly taking this cabinet well that i really thrown _ cabinet well that i really thrown myself into a way for me — thrown myself into a way for me of— thrown myself into a way for me. of course, what i did not realise — me. of course, what i did not realise at _ me. of course, what i did not realise at the time, was that going — realise at the time, was that going and doing international development was going to be, from _ development was going to be, from me. _ development was going to be, from me, and a very personal leveli _ from me, and a very personal level. a — from me, and a very personal level, a completely transformative experience. i absolutely love that well but yes. — absolutely love that well but yes, that reshuffle. i learnt a lot from _ yes, that reshuffle. i learnt a lot from it _ yes, that reshuffle. i learnt a lot from it because i did not handle _ lot from it because i did not handle it— lot from it because i did not handle it well, i felt afterwards. i think there's a bil afterwards. i think there's a big transition when literally one morning you are in one role and then— one morning you are in one role and then suddenly by the afternoon you are in the next. and _ afternoon you are in the next. and i— afternoon you are in the next. and i think— afternoon you are in the next. and i think it is quite hard sometimes to sort of unplug yourself— sometimes to sort of unplug yourself from one portfolio and then _ yourself from one portfolio and then suddenly go into another one and — then suddenly go into another one and i_ then suddenly go into another one and i am generally pretty steady— one and i am generally pretty steady person so i probably lose — steady person so i probably lose my— steady person so i probably lose my temper about once every five years — lose my temper about once every five years but unfortunately for david cameron that was the time _ for david cameron that was the time i— for david cameron that was the time i did — for david cameron that was the time i did lose my temper. maybe _ time i did lose my temper. maybe it— time i did lose my temper. maybe it wasn't andy coulson's

office. i do remember being, you know, just very very cross and feeling like david cameron had put me into transport when he had one heathrow policy and then he changes his mind on heathrow, which i thought was the wrong thing anyway and they expected me to do a flip—flop and i thought, that is not how i work. i think, through my policies, work out what i think the right answer is and i don't just go like that because someone else clearly hasn't done that, then changes their mind so there you go. i'd like you do not confirm the sit but we are very glad you sat on chris mason's covered this week. let's go back to where we began. you have had an a—list airshow biz week with the whole nicky and irish and the reshuffle. i have had my own showbiz moment because this morning on bbc breakfast i was on after pam ayres the poet.

this is the mass of the trendy thing which happened afterwards and i wish i hadn't done it. i've discovered a few lines of poetry. shall i give it a go in tribute? it is about the reshuffle? the government says it is appointing more women. liz truss, the foreign office she is now in.— liz truss, the foreign office she is now in. can we get... what is _ she is now in. can we get... what is the _ she is now in. can we get... what is the opinion? - she is now in. can we get... what is the opinion? don't i she is now in. can we get... i what is the opinion? don't give u . what is the opinion? don't give u- the what is the opinion? don't give up the day _ what is the opinion? don't give up the day job. _ what is the opinion? don't give up the day job. i— what is the opinion? don't give up the day job, i would - what is the opinion? don't give up the day job, i would say. i up the dayjob, i would say. you — up the dayjob, i would say. you look— up the dayjob, i would say. you look quite red—faced but you obviously hated it given that you played it to everyone again. i that you played it to everyone aain. .., that you played it to everyone aain. , that you played it to everyone aiain. . . , . that you played it to everyone aiain. , . ., that you played it to everyone aiain. , ., ., ., again. i can put that quote on the back saying _ again. i can put that quote on the back saying don't - again. i can put that quote on the back saying don't give - again. i can put that quote on the back saying don't give up| the back saying don't give up the back saying don't give up the dayjob. the back saying don't give up the day job-— the day 'ob. reshuffles are mad, the day job. reshuffles are mad. they _ the day job. reshuffles are mad, they make _ the day job. reshuffles are mad, they make some - the day job. reshuffles are i mad, they make some people the day job. reshuffles are - mad, they make some people feel sad. but they are part of the gig and sometimes they are big. brilliant. i mean, don't give

up brilliant. i mean, don't give up the dayjob. i brilliant. i mean, don't give up the day job-— up the day 'ob. i got to four lines and — up the day job. i got to four lines and you _ up the day job. i got to four lines and you had _ up the day job. i got to four lines and you had to. - up the day job. i got to four lines and you had to. it - up the day job. i got to four lines and you had to. it wasj lines and you had to. it was breaking — lines and you had to. it was breaking new _ lines and you had to. it was breaking new scenario - lines and you had to. it was. breaking new scenario there. there was only so much i could do. i should there was only so much i could do. ishould have there was only so much i could do. i should have a newscast goodbye poem but i have done poetry for this week.— poetry for this week. tune in next week- _ poetry for this week. tune in next week. verse _ poetry for this week. tune in next week. verse with - poetry for this week. tune in next week. verse with adam j poetry for this week. tune in - next week. verse with adam will be available. next week. verse with adam will be available-— be available. there has been a reshuffle- _ be available. there has been a reshuffle. what _ be available. there has been a reshuffle. what a _ be available. there has been a reshuffle. what a load - be available. there has been a reshuffle. what a load of - reshuffle. what a load of kerfuffle. hello. well, most of us had some pretty decent weather on thursday, some warm spells of sunshine. friday's not looking bad — for most of us, but not for everybody. we are expecting some rain

across western parts of the uk. and on the satellite picture, you can see the reason — a weather front is approaching. in fact, it's already been cloudy and damp across northern ireland and parts of western scotland. and this weather front, as it approaches the british isles, is slowing down and, in fact, it's going to stall across western parts of the uk over the next 2—3 days. so here it is through the early hours of the morning, approaching western parts of the uk — as i said, it's already damp in the northwest — but very mild, these warm southerlies ahead of it mean that temperatures in some spots in the northwest won't be any lower than 15 celsius first thing in the morning. so warm and damp, and wet at times in northern ireland and western scotland through the morning and into lunchtime. but around the irish sea, wales, the southwest is cloudy with rain at times. further towards the east, especially across england, it's looking absolutely fine, warm spells of sunshine with temperatures up to 21 celsius. it's going to be a fine day across many parts of england. here's a look at saturday — and the weather front is still over us. there's actually not an awful lot of rain on saturday, just bits and pieces here and there out towards the west — again,

the best of the weather will be across central and eastern areas. the winds are still very light, so nothing's really moving around across the uk, so where the cloud is in the rain, it's still out towards the west. here are the temperatures — 17 celsius in glasgow, around about 22 in england. now the forecast for sunday shows that that weather front�*s still there — if anything, it re—invigorates itself. that's sometimes what happens, so there'll be more rain around on sunday, i think a greater chance of catching some rain almost anywhere in the uk. so, out of the two days, saturday is definitely going to be the sunnier day for most of us. you can see that rain reaching some central and eastern areas end of the weekend. how about into next week? a quick look at the weather for monday and tuesday — here are the temperatures, and the weather looks a little variable. bye— bye.

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