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now on bbc news, it's hardtalk with zeinab badawi. welcome to hardtalk with me, zeinab badawi. my guest in this exclusive interview is one of the queens of fashion, the british model naomi campbell. in a landmark announcement that has the royal seal of approval, she becomes the platinum jubilee global ambassador for the queen's commonwealth trust. how well this new role fit in with her activism for greater equality and diversity? what motivates naomi campbell to keep on pushing boundaries?
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naomi campbell, welcome to hardtalk. thank you, zeinab, for having me. great to see you. get to see you too. for the queen's commonwealth trust in tale? what will you do? really, it's similar to what i have been doing except it's going to be adding a few different countries, ones i have been working with already. the younger generation, young businesses, supporting, guiding, mentoring and just uplifting those countries and, you know, i love doing that, so it's really, it's an honour to have this role.
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and i'm looking forward. were you surprised when were given this honour, as you put it? yes, very much so. why were you surprised? i don't know, i really do you just stay in my day, and i was very surprised. it's always, i think, an honour when your country of origin asks you to do something. the focus of the queen's commonwealth trust list coming is education, employability, environment, fit agriculture, health, inclusion, which will you be focusing on? education i already do, so i will want to further that because i think that is most definitely important for the young generation, agriculture, tourism. for me, i work with young creators anyway. in africa, south africa east africa, so really, it's just now, for me, enhancing that, and having a great support team
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with the commonwealth and of the other people that make up the commonwealth to support me and make it happen so we can push further and harder in getting these things achieved. because what's amazing is, it's all voluntary, so everyone�*s there because they want to be there. i think the support right now is so important, especially with everyone being so isolated. sure. you mention africa, and i know that you visited africa a great deal before lockdown. and you have set in the past, "i feeljamaican, but i also feel african." absolutely. and there are designers like the nigerian kenneth ize who says you have done a great deal to support african fashion. so when you are doing this work on behalf of the commonwealth trust, the queen's commonwealth trust, is africa going to be a big important area for you, and why is it so important? africa will always remain important for me, and so i will
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continue doing what i do for africa as well as the inclusion of all the other countries that make up the commonwealth. also my heritage country, jamaica. you get to a certain point in your life that you realise that you can use your platform, and you should share your platform. you should make your platform transcend for others. so that is really, i feel, i mean, i haven't been given a particular handbook of how i do this new role, but i feel it'sjust going to be similar been doing, from what i learned from our great madiba. you are referring to nelson mandela, who saw you as his honorary granddaughter, when you mention madiba. you say, naomi campbell, that you want to use this just as a platform to carry on doing the good work that you have done, but is this the right platform for you? let me tell you what philip murphy, director of the institute of commonwealth studies,
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says about the commonwealth. he says, "it's very good at pumping out those lovely candy floss soundbites about how it's going to solve world peace, save the rainforest and end world poverty, but you eventually ask the question, what have you actually achieved and you are faced with shocked silence." does the commonwealth actually give you much to do? i mean, me, as a person, i feel like all who know me, whether you know me or don't, you know that i am a person of action. so if i'm going to commit to myself to any type of organisation worldwide, it's because i am willing to do the work. otherwise i would not be there, i would not be committed and i would not be sitting here. but is the commonwealth the right vehicle for you? some people say it's just an imperial relic, post—imperial relic. i feel the commonwealth is because these are countries that they do care about. so it gives me a platform that i can now go in there
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and really try and get things done and bring these ideas of the young generation to the forefront and try to see it through from a to z. all right, so that is the commonwealth bit of the queen's commonwealth trust, but how do you reconcile the bit that says the queen? because you know very well that there is a live debate in the caribbean, your own country of origin, jamaica, about whether they should lose the queen as head of state. barbados does at the end of november. carolyn cooper from the university of the west indies says it's high time forjamaica to complete the process of emancipation from the british monarchy. it's a very tough question to ask me, but i always feel with myjamaican heritage that jamaica is independent anyway. they've got their independence, but i guess they want to be completely free from the british colony or colonisation, you know, ifeel this goes into a deeper conversation, and i feel the whole windrush
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scandal hasn't really helped in that way as being embraced. i should just mention the windrush scandal is that ship that brought many immigrants into the united kingdom from the caribbean... so i understand, it's no shock to me, but i understand where the hurt and the frustration comes from. because the descendants of those original windrush immigrants, some of them were told that they had no right to remain in the united kingdom when they had been born and bred here. so you think that had a direct impact? i do believe so, i do believe so. and your grandparents came with the windrush, did you feel personally affronted? i did, and i was actually invited to number ten for an event, and after the mistake of being, a faux pas, had been said, and i refused because i felt like i was being used to, ok, let's get naomi campbell in here, it will make it look
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like it's ok if she comes. i will never go against my people. never. that's when therese may was prime minister. that's when she was pm, so i refused and said no thank you, i'm not to attend. i did go quietly to see theresa may before she left number 10 and she, she admitted she wasn't acting like she didn't, she knew she had done something, a mistake, and upset a lot of people had hurt a lot of people's feelings, but it's also, you have to remember, it's like, this is their foundation of where they came from and coming to this country, so it was deep, it was a very deep wound that she opened. right. another hot button issue that is being discussed right across the caribbean, including caricom, supports reparations, and olivia graham says we are hoping for
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repertoryjustice in all forms to address this, it's well overdue. so following that idea, would you like to see reparations for slavery? absolutely, 100%. there should be reparations. why not? why can't we go to the hague and get reparations? so you are representing the queen's commonwealth trust as this global ambassador and yet you want in her majesty�*s name to see reparations. i believe there should be reparations. other cultures have gotten reparation. you don't see any inherent contradiction of being a global ambassador for the queen's commonwealth trust and then also think that we have to have reparations? well, other cultures have had it, and... you know, for it, for what they had been through. for the lives that were ruined. i don't see why they shouldn't. ok, fairenough. so, look, there is going to be a lot of interest generated by this announcement that
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you are the platinum jubilee ambassador marking the queen's platinum jubilee next year. i was thinking today, how am i going to have an article by his wonderful highness, piers morgan... you are referring to the british media journalists... the interest i think will also focus on the fact that, you know, there has been a lot of talk about diversity, inclusion and race and the british royalfamily triggered very much by, brought to the fore by, the comments the duke and duchess of sussex, comments made to oprah winfrey in march this year. what was your reaction to that? i actually am not going to comment too much on that. this is what i'm going to say, this is what i said to my friends when i was watching it in the room, and this is what i'm going to say now, it was sad for me knowing princess diana, to see that her two boys were not on good terms. as a mother, that's the last
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thing you want to happen with your boys. she's no longer here, that's her own, that's her legacy, her two boys, you don't want to see that happen. but it was the aspect of race, really, that i was more interested in asking about, because prince harry said he had been involved in conversations at the time it was accurate, i was a bit shocked and he was referring to the concerns articulated by a member of the wrath and he said, about how dark any future child that he and the duchess of sussex might have. so it's that question, really, and i wondered what your reflections were on that. more than likely, you have got a household of... all ages. different levels of
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aristocracy, aristocrats, do i think it was said? probably, absolutely it was sad. buckingham palace said recollections may vary, but, anyway, yeah. how was it said? i don't know, i wasn't there. i cannot comment on something i don't know, i wasn't there, i need to hear it for myself. have i had it said to me as well? i can talk about my own experience. yes, many times. when i understood in my business at 18 years old, what i was up against, i opened my mouth and i continued to open my mouth, and i never closed my mouth and i became labelled for it, and didn't get manyjobs for it, especially here in the united kingdom. you said you had to work twice as hard to become a successful model because you are black.
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yes, and i don't complain, i'm a hard—working woman can i work hard for everything i have. so when you say, sorry to interrupt you, when you say i don't complain, are you implying there the sussexes have been complaining? you know, now, i'm talking about myself. i have moved on from the sussexes, sorry. sorry! i moved on. i talk about my own experience, i cannot talk about others. i can sit and watch an interview like anybody else the world and say "this is what i get from it," but really, but i got from that was, for a friend of mine who is no longer here to have her two sons not on talking terms must be very sad. that's it. you said in an interview in harpets bazaar magazine in 2020 that the whole world is addressing racism, so england is going to have to deal with that
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and of course, we had the george floyd murder in may which triggered the odd lot of soul—searching of race and diversity and so on. do you support to blm yourself? its not that i don't support or support, blm came about and has been existing for how many years? i don't know. it started, oh, quite a while ago — at least ten years ago. ok, i have been modelling for 35 years. so for me, the way i have been speaking was like black lives matter without knowing it, so now we have an actual hub with a name and a label and a society and an organisation and so i feel like it's — why is itjust now that we have this permission, we feel that we can — no. speak when you want to speak. speak when when you see things that are unjust. so you are not bothered by the label, blm, you don't support it? i disappointed, but i have been doing blm, what i'm saying is blm is not new for me, blm is part of my life.
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since i understood the effects of what racism can do and what racism can cause. and so for me can at 18 years old, i have been doing blm since i was 18 years old, let's put it that way. but not defending the police and all of that? —— but not defunding the police and all of that? no, not defunding the police, specifically racism. my business of fashion, how i was treated, i will always go back to myself experience, because i cannot take and criticise and speak on another�*s experience. i don't know what it feels like. sure. you have been talking about racism for a long time, as say, but one phenomenon that's more contemporary ...aswe as we heard in the euro finals. which was really, i sat there watching that i was in los angeles, and i sat there watching that and as soon as possible ball didn't going in, i turned around and i said,
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"i really hope that they give security to these boys" because — and i really hope it's not going to happen, but i knew it was going to happen. what, the online racial abuse? the online racial ideas, yes. have you had any of that? of course. you have 12 million followers on instagram. many times. i mean, cyber attack last year, just fallacious, disgracful... it was me with a big group of people, a lot of those people went quiet, i didn't. i will not go quiet. what kind of things ray said to you online? —— what kind of things were said to you online? just like me you know, if you are going to sit behind a computer and write terrible things to people, you are a coward. i don't have time for you. i'm not going to make you silence me. i'm not a coward. you have also said in
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american vogue in december 20 2010 "the angry black women label has been used against me many time" — you're talking about how the media in general has treated you — and "what for? "to silence me? "well, here i am." why do you think you have had this kind of coverage? because i open my mouth. you don't, you know, it's like you don't want to hear from an 18—year—old from south london how she feels. it's just get in front of the camera and do yourjob and shut up. no, that's not who i am. i am still a human being. but do you — and i want to ask you this in a very, you know, cases of assaults. of course. four of which took place between 1998—2009. to what extent do you think, you know, coverage in the press helped fortify that kind of view of you as an angry black women?
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like you know if lisa smith goes into a restaurant and has an argument with a waiter then lisa smith has an argument with a waiter but if naomi campbell goes into a restaurant and has an argument with a waiter, oh, the black model... and it is so embedded that way that maybe you just don't even realise it any more and. you don't think that your actions in any way may have warranted that perception for some people? you think it's entirely a function of the air, —— you think it is entirely as a function of your race? i stand by my own things with my past, i always have and i always will, and i have don't want to be held hostage by it and i will always say that. everyone has a past, my knees open and out and maybe it is better that way and i don't have to worry about bones! but... it does not define me as who i am as a woman and it does
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not define me for who i am, for the things that i fight for, it does not define me for the countries and that i've supported since 1993. so these things does not stop me from being and continuing my mission that i have within myself. not because someone has told me to do it, it has never been about i'm telling you, naomi, do this. ., �* ., . ., this. you're a terrific role model for _ this. you're a terrific role model for so _ this. you're a terrific role model for so many - this. you're a terrific role model for so many black| this. you're a terrific role - model for so many black women, especially women in fashion and someone, and also the fact that you've overcome many obstacles and as you said, you know, this use of race to rise to the fact of top of the fashion world and i was in women's summit in london in 2017 when you are speaking to the interviewer nancy gibbs and we know that the fashion world is highly pressured and you said i worked so much at the beginning and i never took a break and then you went on there and discussed your problems with substance
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abuse and you mentioned drug use fuelled some of your outbursts and now that you are taking this landmark step in your career with his very high—profile position as global ambassador, for the queen's commonwealth trust, i wonder how you reflect and explain that part of your life. i how you reflect and explain that part of your life.- that part of your life. i will explain it _ that part of your life. i will explain it the _ that part of your life. i will explain it the same - that part of your life. i will explain it the same way, l that part of your life. i will. explain it the same way, i'm a human being and i make mistakes. and nothing will change, i will explain it exactly the same way, because people can—if you can go through your mistakes, own your mistakes, look yourself in the mirror and take heed and move forward and be enlightened and be open to change, i think everyone, everyone deserves to have that. that chance in their life, for change.— life, for change. and he managed _ life, for change. and he managed to _ life, for change. and he managed to bring - life, for change. and he j managed to bring about life, for change. and he - managed to bring about this change. i mean, how did you manage it? —— you managed. i’m manage it? -- you managed. i'm
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not... manage it? -- you managed. i'm not- -- i'm — manage it? -- you managed. i'm not--- i'm very— manage it? —— you managed. i“n not... i'm very with myself straightforward and not, like, i don't live in a denial. so to speak. i don't live in a denial. so to seak. ., .. , i don't live in a denial. so to seak. , ., speak. so accepting that there is a problem — speak. so accepting that there is a problem and _ speak. so accepting that there is a problem and then - speak. so accepting that there is a problem and then acting l speak. so accepting that there l is a problem and then acting on it? �* . ., is a problem and then acting on it?_ absolutely. - it? acting on it. absolutely. talkinu it? acting on it. absolutely. talking about _ it? acting on it. absolutely. talking about the _ it? acting on it. absolutely. talking about the pressuresj talking about the pressures that models experience, particularly those who get to the top, we all mindful of the fact that there are a lot of of sexual abuse that took place in the modelling world, perhaps even take place now, and the former first lady of france was a model and a singer colour bruni sarkozy says of the fashion world it's an industry with a lot of young people and a lot of young flesh for predictors. did you yourself come under that kind of pressure? and all you are you aware of what was going on? qm. aware of what was going on? ok, so... i aware of what was going on? ok, s0- -- i was _ aware of what was going on? ok, so... i was not— aware of what was going on? ok, so... i was not aware _ aware of what was going on? ok, so... i was not aware of- aware of what was going on? oi, so... i was not aware of what was going on 100%. did i have — did i ever have those advances
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when i was 16 or 17 years old? absolutely. but again, i had a mouth. i was shy but i had a mouth. i was shy but i had a mouth when i knew something was morally wrong. so i had these wonderful, legendary designers around me, jennifer psaki, mr sam hong, so i could go to these men and i could tell them if someone had come onto me in a way that was not right, and i would. and i did. and they were my protectors. so i used the people but was, you know, embracing me to protect me. do ou embracing me to protect me. do you think it's something to do with your upbringing because you have very strong female role models, your mother valerie... definitely... ruby, your late grandmother. brought your late grandmother. brought you up a lot and use at the her this year and your aunt... crosstalk.— this year and your aunt... crosstalk. do you think it hels crosstalk. do you think it helps you? _ crosstalk. do you think it helps you? definitely -
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helps you? definitely surrounded - helps you? definitely surrounded by - helps you? definitelyj surrounded by strong helps you? definitely - surrounded by strong group of women and i feel that they don't let anything, get what you get away with anything, you know, you're not going to slip, you're going to hear it, and i feel that that's why i am the way that i am and i'm grateful for that and it's that way to this very day. for that and it's that way to this very day-— for that and it's that way to this very day. and you yourself have recently _ this very day. and you yourself have recently become - this very day. and you yourself have recently become the - this very day. and you yourself. have recently become the mother of a gorgeous little girl, you surprised everybody with the announcement in may. it's difficult to be a mother at any age but to become a first—time mother at the age of 51, i wonder how finding it? really, i'm wonder how finding it? really, i'm really _ wonder how finding it? really, i'm really lucky, _ wonder how finding it? really, i'm really lucky, i— wonder how finding it? really, i'm really lucky, i think- wonder how finding it? really, i'm really lucky, i think i - i'm really lucky, i think i have a dream child. she is wonderful. she's so... very independent already. very smart. alert. sleeps 12 hours. she is a good girl. 50 smart. alert. sleeps 12 hours. she is a good girl.— she is a good girl. so you're not... she is a good girl. so you're not- -- are — she is a good girl. so you're not... are you _ she is a good girl. so you're not... are you going - she is a good girl. so you're not... are you going to - she is a good girl. so you're. not... are you going to instill the values that you were brought up with to be a strong independent woman? absolutely, ri . ht down independent woman? absolutely, right down to _ independent woman? absolutely, right down to the _ independent woman? absolutely, right down to the hygiene - independent woman? absolutely, right down to the hygiene part. i right down to the hygiene part.
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naomi campbell, thank you so much for coming on.— naomi campbell, thank you so much for coming on. thank you so much for— much for coming on. thank you so much for having _ much for coming on. thank you so much for having me. - hello. well, most of us had some pretty decent weather on thursday, some warm spells of sunshine. friday's not looking bad for most of us, but not for everybody — we are expecting some rain across western parts of the uk. and on the satellite picture, you can see the reason — a weather front is approaching. in fact, it's already been cloudy and damp across northern ireland and parts of western scotland. and this weather front, as it approaches the british isles, it is slowing down and, in fact, it's going to stall across western parts of the uk over the next 2—3 days.
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so here it is through the early hours of the morning, approaching western parts of the uk. as i said, it's already damp in the north—west but very mild — these warm southerlies ahead of it mean that temperatures in some spots in the north—west won't be any lower than 15 degrees first thing in the morning. so warm and damp and wet at times in northern ireland and western scotland through the morning and into lunchtime, but around the irish sea, wales, the south—west cloudy with rain at times. further towards the east, especially across england, it's looking absolutely fine. warm spells of sunshine with temperatures up to 21 degrees. it's going to be a fine day across many parts of england. here's a look at saturday, and the weather front is still over us. there's actually not an awful lot of rain on saturday — just bits and pieces here and there out towards the west. again, the best of the weather will be across central and eastern areas. the winds are still very light, so nothing's really moving around across the uk, so where the cloud is and the rain, it's still out towards the west.
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here are the temperatures — 17 degrees in glasgow, around about 22 in england. now, the forecast for sunday shows that that weather front�*s still there. if anything, it re—invigorates itself — that is sometimes what happens — so there'll be more rain around on sunday, i think a greater chance of catching some rain almost anywhere in the uk. so, out of the two days, saturday is definitely going to be the sunnier day for most of us. you can see that rain reaching some central and eastern areas end of the weekend. how about into next week? a quick look at the weather for monday and tuesday. here are the temperatures and the weather looks a little variable. bye— bye.
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that's it.
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