to panic buy petrol. there is actually a — to panic buy petrol. there is actually a tree _ to panic buy petrol. there is actually a tree limb - to panic buy petrol. there is actually a tree limb are - to panic buy petrol. there is i actually a tree limb are plenty to panic buy petrol. there is - actually a tree limb are plenty of petrol to go around and —— this is an unnecessary situation as we have all of the petrol we need in refineries and storage centres around the uk. police investigating the murder of sabina nessa have arrested a 38—year—old man in connection with the murder, in what scotland yard says is a significant development. germans go to the poll to decide who will be chancellor after angela merkel. keir starmer promises a tax raid on private schools if he wins power. this is a political choice to take that money and switch it to our state schools so children and young people in our state schools have the best chance they can have. i'm back with a headline at 11am, best chance they can have. i'm back with a headline at "am, but now it is time for political thinking with nick robinson.

welcome to political thinking. where i have a conversation with rather than an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking about what has shaped theirs. my guest this week has a pretty daunting task. they have to persuade britain to persuade you that labour can be trusted with your money. then again, rachel reeves, who was made shadow chancellor in may, is used to thinking a few moves ahead. she used to be under—14s uk chess champion. maybe she has a winning gambit. rachel reeves, welcome to political thinking. you once said that chess was the perfect preparation for politics. really? it's about getting you to look ahead and think

strategically, notjust tactically, and what your opponent's next move will be, notjust your own. it's not poker! a gambit, giving something up? sacraficing the little people. i didn't play the queen's gambit. i'm a very basic player. what is the sicilian defence? it's the defence you do if you're playing black and the white player moves their kings pawn forward two spaces, and the other player moves their queen's bishop's pawn. there are people around the country nodding and others going, what a nerve is she talking about? i read up

nerve is she talking about? i read up about the sicilian defence because i knew it was your favourite manoeuvre and i'm told it is turning defence very quickly into attack. is that right? yes, and i was an attacking chess player. when you play in big tournaments, you get two hours on the clock to do your moves. i like that but i actually did better, ithink, in speed chess and just going for it. where you inspired when you watched the queen's gambit on the telly? with a hell of a lot of male prejudice. chess was a lot less glamorous when i played compared to what you see in that programme. yes, chess is incredibly male—dominated. it was when i was playing in the �*80s and �*90s, and it is still

today. there are female chess players, the sisters. when i was probably about 11 or 12, one of those became the best female player in history and the highest ever rated. i think she was the youngest grand master ever. she was absolutely amazing. people started thinking, actually, women can be good at chess. but there was a lot of prejudice because i remember one of the earliest games i played, i was in my primary school hall and it was a weekend chess tournament. i was drawn against another player and his friend said, "lucky for you, you've got a girl. you'll win easily." and i was absolutely determined to win that game, and win i did. did you win or did you, as bobby fisher once said, jess was war over the board, the object is to crush the board, the object is to crush the opponents's mind. did you crush their mind?

i don't want to be compared with bobby fischer. i wanted to show that girls are just as good as boys. was it home where you talked politics a lot? was it at home when you would sit and have tea or breakfast and talk politics? at primary school, about the same age, when i was eight. it was 1987 and the general election, and my friends were talking about who their mums and dads would vote for in the election. i had no idea what they were talking about, and i felt really embarrassed. i went home and asked my dad, and he put on the six o'clock news and said, that's neil kinnock, that's who we vote for. i repeated this story in 2010 after i got elected, and i was on the phone with my dad, and he said he didn't think that story was quite true. but i said, dad, un massively labour! , ., but i said, dad, un massively labour! ., ~' but i said, dad, un massively labour! i” ., 4' ., ,, , labour! -- you work massively

labour. he said if that's the case, and must be the first time in your life you've done anything i told you to do. but i remember it quite vividly. so they point to the telly and they say, that's our guy, but was it more who they were? your parents were both primary school teachers and would have looked to labour at that stage with mrs thatcher in power. was itjust a given? we are labour people, that is who we are. , �* , , ., are. they weren't members of olitical are. they weren't members of political parties _ are. they weren't members of political parties and _ are. they weren't members of political parties and it - are. they weren't members of political parties and it wasn't l political parties and it wasn't something we talked about hugely at home. but there was always that backdrop. my mum was a special needs teacher. funding was cut so she became a classroom teacher so it meant the kids she had been supporting wouldn't get it any more. you may remember she was known as tbw, that bloody woman. they weren't massively. they didn't campaign

or anything like that. we didn't go on demos or anything, but my dad's parents were salvationists and very committed to the salvation army. incredibly good and hard—working people. they never had very much. everything they had, they gave back to the community. they were absolutely wonderful. they were a big inspiration for me. so were those values drilled into you? christian socialist values. i was always brought up that you should always give something back, but you should work as hard as you can to make a contribution. mrs thatcher, you say, was not liked in your house, but it wasn't that political. when you look back now, what do you think about it? are there things to learn from her or admired about her?

i was politicised because there were so many cuts. our library was turned into a classroom because there was more students than space, and there were never enough textbooks to go round. i learned the conservative governments we had growing up didn't care enough about schools like mine and the kids i grew up with. and that's why ijoined the labour party. it's those values and experience that still drives me. but there are people who say, we have to learn something. what i would say, i wrote a book about women in politics, and obviously, i wrote about thatcher in that book. it made me think when i was growing up, i knew i didn't like her but i never doubted that a woman could lead and get a topjob, because there she was doing it. i didn't agree with her politics, but i think, in some ways,

she inspired women to believe that they could do it. you've got working—class values coming from your grandparents, but it's a classic upbringing. you are in bromley in south—east london, now known for a slightly more famous daughter.— london, now known for a slightly more famous daughter. emma raducanu! yes! i have been — more famous daughter. emma raducanu! yes! i have been eclipsed. _ more famous daughter. emma raducanu! yes! i have been eclipsed. hg _ more famous daughter. emma raducanu! yes! i have been eclipsed. hg wells, - yes! i have been eclipsed. hg wells, charles darwin... enid yes! i have been eclipsed. hg wells, charles darwin. . ._ my i charles darwin... enid blyton! my dauuhter charles darwin... enid blyton! my daughter is— charles darwin... enid blyton! my daughter is a _ charles darwin... enid blyton! my daughter is a few _ charles darwin... enid blyton! my daughter is a few huge _ charles darwin... enid blyton! my daughter is a few huge fan - charles darwin... enid blyton! my daughter is a few huge fan and i charles darwin... enid blyton! my| daughter is a few huge fan and we have huge collection of malory towers and she has gone through all of them. but it's a very middle—class upbringing. your parents are both teachers, it is not comfortable, i would not have thought, but was it, as an upbringing? thought, but was it, as an upbringing? it was ordinary. myself and my younger sister.

my parents were good parents, they worked hard, they did a huge amount for us. they always put us first. the chess, music lessons, they were good parents who cared about our education and we were lucky in a lot of ways. at my secondary school, very few children stayed on to do a—levels. even fewer went to university. there were loads of really bright girls who perhaps didn't get the opportunities that i had. and i want to spread that opportunity. again, i was lucky. my parents, and the reason i carried on playing — i played the flute as well as my chess, and i carried on going to those lessons because they were expensive and we didn't have a huge amount of money but he wanted me to have the best opportunities in life.

which you did, because you went on to oxford university. in many ways, this is a classic politician's upbringing. oxford, yes, i went there too. you did the which is what politicians in the uk do. —— you did. i'm not them! we are worlds apart. if you went to winchester colleges, i rememberat my school, when i was in year 11, having a special assembly where the head teacher said for the first time ever two girls from their school applied for oxford at the first time ever, and i remember their names. and i remember thinking then, maybe i can do that. and it never occurred to me before because no one from our school had ever done that before. do they you remember them?

yes, because one of them, the one who went in, she went to my college. i have never heard of them, and i applied to the one she went to. so i went there and i said to her, i'm here because of you. you say with horror that you are very different from these tory politicians. rishi sunak�*s background, middle—class, one parent a doctor, one a pharmacist, the public sector. do you see some still similiarities? there's just huge differences. he went to winchester college. they had the money to be able to send him there. we took different routes in life and i think we had very different upbringings. it is very interesting. he made his money in the city and you could have, couldn't you?

you considered a job. you considered a job at goldman sachs. you considered a job at goldman sachs. i was offered two jobs. goldman sachs and the bank of england, and i chose the bank of england because i wanted to be an economist and i believed in public service. i had a great time at the bank. my firstjob was on the japan desk, analysing the japanese economy. this was a time when they had zero interest rates, quantitative easing had been in and out of a recession for a decade. had been in and out of a recession fora decade. i had been in and out of a recession for a decade. i didn't know there would be paralysed with our own economy a few years down the line. but what about goldman sachs? you applied to goldman sachs? yes, and i applied to some banks. i wanted to be an economist. did you sit there thinking you could work there? do think if the bank had not offered you a job, you could have gone in a different direction? i had these two jobs in front of me

and i made a choice. when you're at the bank, you get seconded to the us, you work in the british embassy in washington, dc. it was just post—9/ii. it was, and the reason why this was available was because the british government and civil service wanted to up their capacity at the british embassy in lots of different ways. one of them was its economic analysis. obviously, there were huge problems in the global economy after 9/11 with recession and interest rates cut. both in the us and around the world. so i had the privilege of working at the embassy and trying to understand what was going on in the us economy. i was 23. i was living in washington.

did you meet the politicians coming across? gordon brown, in those days, who was then the incoming chancellor. i met the incoming government and then the incoming government of the fed in washington. we went into the white house and met the chief adviser to the president. ministers came over, but so did mervyn king. that was an amazing opportunity. you've only had this job since may. you haven't got long as you said in the introduction to persuade people. are you good at saying no?

in thisjob, you have to, and every day, colleagues will come with really good ideas. everything i say we will do, we would fund it. that means you do have to say no to people because you've got to prioritise. what what our priorities be as an incoming labour government in those green industries. what's the best advice you had. gordon brown was shadow chancellor, john mcdonnell. if there's one thing i du. i spoke to all of them when i was appointed to the job, and gordon, who i admire a lot, he said i have to have the discipline, but you've got to have something

worth being disciplined for. that's intriguing in a way keir starmer has produced this essay. keir starmer has produced is the task at this conference about reassurance, don't worry, we've learned our lesson? or is it inspirational or both? we've got to do both, but in myjob, and keir starmer said people have to trust me with their money. being trustworthy and being honest and straight with people is really important to me, and showing i would treat taxpayers' money with respect. i remember my mum would keep all of her receipts, get her bank statement and she would tick off the bank statement against her receipts. we weren't poor but we didn't have money to waste, and she was careful with her money. when you pay your taxes, i think the chancellor has to be equally careful with people's money. you also have to work out why you lost. you wrote a book in 2010, why vote labour?

could you write a book about why labour lost the election that followed that book? when did you first realise you would lose? labour just keep losing. they've lost four elections in a row now. why have we lost four elections? people didn't trust us. they preferred the others to us. we have got to look at ourselves and learn

as clement attlee did, harold wilson did and as tony blair did. that is what i want to learn from. i think you need to understand, or we need to understand what you think. when i had this conversation with ed miliband, he just produces book which was about go big. i put it to him that labour's problem was because you didn't listen to people and you didn't like lots of people's attitudes, whether on immigration. labour appeared very judgemental. whether it's on benefits, they appearjudgemental. it was a sense on brexit that labour did not like many people they needed to vote for them. and keir starmer totally recognises this, and that's why he spent this summer going the length and breadth of the country meeting people who haven't voted for us. in some occasions for many years, and in some, the last election was the first time ever that they hadn't voted labour. we've got to listen and take on board what they're saying and to change because of the labour party is a party that

was to working people in parliament, and we are utterly failing in that mission. there is an intriguing phrase in that. take back control. it's used by keir starmer in his long essay. he thinks voters want that and have not had it. were you saying in some ways to people who voted leave, i know you did want to take back control, my constituency is around two thirds of the national average wage. a lot of them are in insecure work. a lot of them have to balance work with uncertain hours with childcare. people don't feel they have

control in their lives. so, that's what people want in their lives. when you wear on the front bench under ed miliband, miliband, you said some things that would appeared to those that would get you into trouble. you said at one point that you didn't want labour to be the party of the unemployed. there was a question that was put to me — is that what labour is. they've got to be much broader than that — we are a party of working people. we created the welfare state to offer a safety net and support people when they are out of work. were you trying to say there's a danger that you look like the party of welfare? that's what i was being accused of in the

party, and i wanted to say no, we are broader than that. the way i expressed some things did cause her to people, and i never meant to do that. but the labour party is a party of working—class people and it did amazing things to give working—class people those things they didn't have before. what's interesting, talking to you about these things when you were on the front bench under ed miliband is arguably, whyjeremy corbyn left you on the back benches. there were people at that time who called you a red tory, suggesting you weren't welcome in the labour party. i find that very difficult. i find it very difficult because ijoined the labour party when i was 17. i've been in the labour party for 25 years now. i love the party and its history, and when people said that

to me, it's like, it's my family. don't tell me i don't belong here. i found that very hard. afterjeremy corbyn became leader, people shouting at me, i found it very difficult. you look quite emotional just remembering that. yeah, ifound it very difficult because i love the labour party and i've been delivering leaflets and knocking on doors for 25 years. people who in many cases have justjoined telling me that this wasn't my party. i guess they would say you are part of the nando's five rising stars. luciana was hounded out of the party. you think i feel a bit emotional, imagine how she felt. her great uncle was a labour mp.

manny shinwell. she is from the party, from the labour party. do you want to welcome her back? i would love to have luciana in the party. she is still a friend of mine. whether she would want to come back, you would have to ask her. do you know you get the labour party back? i stayed in the labour party because i believed in some of the darkest hours, i think anti—semitism was our darkest hour, and i believed there was a way back for labour. some people made different choices, and i understand why they made them. luciana felt she was hounded out of the party. i feel like we've turned a corner on that, and i'm proud of the small contribution i guess i have made to that. but i am really proud to be a labour

mp and be in keir starmer�*s shadow cabinet. you got labelled and you'll probably groan, you got labelled by an accidental tweet from the editor of newsnight. just remind us. he said i was boring, snoring. it wasn't written to you, to be fair. that's true — he's head of channel 4, is very welcome in leeds, and we love them. that is a mistake, but for the grace of god, all of us could have done that.

a serious question. should a shadow chancellor being boring, snoring? ever so slightly, ever so slightly dole? i think there are certainly worse criticisms that you could lay at the door of a chancellor. if you could be a chess piece, what would it be? i think i'd be the queen. i want to be the queen to get the opponent in checkmate. if you're asking if i want to be the leader of the labour party, that is never something i have aspired to do. thejob i want more than anything else is chancellor, i think i'm well—qualified. takes off glasses. rachel reeves, thank you forjoining me on political thinking. thank you, nick. if chess is like politics, the truth is we're more than halfway through it. labour find themselves on the defensive. the tories have already claimed

some crucial pieces. have the labour party got the moves up the sleeves and to take advantage to seize victory from defeat? next week, they have their conference. we might get the first answer to that. that's it from this edition of political thinking. thanks for watching. we have quite a big change on the way in our weather, something cooler and more unsettled through the week ahead. make the most of today if you like warm weather because it is another one of those days temperatures will be above where they should be for the time of year. a lot of dry weather around — but rain moving into the west thanks to this stripe of cloud on the satellite picture. this is a frontal system bringing

rain into northern ireland. initially that rain will push eastwards and behind this front, a cold front, we change the air mass, we change the feel of the weather and lose the orange colours and get the yellow and then the blue shades and things will turn markedly cooler over the next few days. that rain moving into northern ireland through the afternoon. some heavy bursts with strong and gusty winds. some of that rain getting into western scotland. eastern scotland, much of england and wales staying largely dry and dome spells of sunshine and just the odd rogue shower. temperatures in the high teens and low 20s celsius, up to 22 or 23 in places. through this evening and tonight that weather front and band of rain will track east and notice the bright green colours. that indicates there will be really intense downpours accompanied by squally and gusty winds. that rain not reaching the eastern side of england till dawn.

it will be a mild night and mild start to tomorrow but the rain will reach all remaining areas as we go through tomorrow morning. very soggy start in the east and as that clears skies will brighten and we will see sunshine and showers racing in from the west and some will be heavy and possibly thundery and it will be quite breezy and it will feel much cooler and fresher. top temperatures between 1a and 18 degrees — much closer to where we should be at this point in late september. low pressure takes charge this week. this weather system promises persistent rain for many on tuesday and will be accompanied by strong and gusty winds, some gusts of a0 mph to 50 mph in exposed spots. temperatures 1a to 18 . wednesday will be cooler still. but it will bring something of a dry interlude. more unsettled weather for the end of the week and it stays cool and autumnal.

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