straight after this hour, straight after this programme. casettte by friendly fires. hello, newscast! ilove casettte by friendly fires. hello, newscast! i love having some work on music, i insist on it. ~ . ., , some work on music, i insist on it. , ., some work on music, i insist on it. when politicians do that thin of it. when politicians do that thing of picking _ it. when politicians do that thing of picking someone, | it. when politicians do that - thing of picking someone, have actually spotted someone they know? of course not. just to be clear, we did get permission from family fires to use that song, unlike borisjohnson who usedit song, unlike borisjohnson who used it as his walk on music at the tory party conference in manchester this week, and the band said, we didn't approve it. which is actually a staple of conference coverage, it basically happens every year. it is a classic move, a politician's team picks a p0pular_ politician's team picks a popular tune, politician's team picks a populartune, plays politician's team picks a popular tune, plays the popular tune, _

popular tune, plays the popular tune, the — popular tune, plays the popular tune, the band says, i don't like — tune, the band says, i don't like this_ tune, the band says, i don't like this politician, gets cross _ like this politician, gets cross about it. a standard story _ cross about it. a standard sto . ., ., story. david cameron, stop sa in: story. david cameron, stop saying you _ story. david cameron, stop saying you like _ story. david cameron, stop saying you like the - story. david cameron, stop saying you like the smiths. | story. david cameron, stop| saying you like the smiths. i just don't like him. laughter. yeah, standard. _ just don't like him. laughter. yeah, standard. if— just don't like him. laughter. yeah, standard. if you - just don't like him. laughter. yeah, standard. if you are - yeah, standard. if you are going _ yeah, standard. if you are going to _ yeah, standard. if you are going to have music every week, what _ going to have music every week, what kind — going to have music every week, what kind of vibe? what kind of thing? — what kind of vibe? what kind of thin ? ., , what kind of vibe? what kind of thin? ., _ ._ , thing? raw by katy perry. i -la ed thing? raw by katy perry. i played out _ thing? raw by katy perry. i played out in _ thing? raw by katy perry. i played out in my _ thing? raw by katy perry. i played out in my head - thing? raw by katy perry. i i played out in my head before every episode anyway, why do you think i'm so full of beans? more beans and less music on this edition of newscast. hello. adam, in the studio. and chris in the _ hello. adam, in the studio. and chris in the studio. _ hello. adam, in the studio. and chris in the studio. and - hello. adam, in the studio. and chris in the studio. and laura i chris in the studio. and laura not in the _ chris in the studio. and laura not in the studio. _ chris in the studio. and laura not in the studio. and - chris in the studio. and laura not in the studio. and we - chris in the studio. and laura not in the studio. and we are | not in the studio. and we are “oined not in the studio. and we are joined by _ not in the studio. and we are joined by former _ not in the studio. and we are joined by former housing - not in the studio. and we are j joined by former housing and local government secretary robertjenner, who is now sadly no longer in thatjob, but it does mean he is free to come on weirdly timed tv programmes and pod casts. ——jenrick. weirdly timed tv programmes and pod casts. -- jenrick._ pod casts. -- jenrick. hello, aood pod casts. -- jenrick. hello, good evening. _ pod casts. -- jenrick. hello, good evening. i _ pod casts. -- jenrick. hello, good evening. i see - pod casts. -- jenrick. hello, good evening. i see that - pod casts. -- jenrick. hello, good evening. i see that you are dressing _ good evening. i see that you are dressing down _ good evening. i see that you are dressing down these - good evening. i see that you l are dressing down these days, we're used to seeing you in a suit. you are in a much more

mood now. suit. you are in a much more mood nova— mood now. that additionally some advantages _ mood now. that additionally some advantages to - mood now. that additionally some advantages to not - mood now. that additionally i some advantages to not having to get— some advantages to not having to get up— some advantages to not having to get up at— some advantages to not having to get up at five _ some advantages to not having to get up at five o'clock - some advantages to not having to get up at five o'clock in - to get up at five o'clock in the — to get up at five o'clock in the morning _ to get up at five o'clock in the morning to _ to get up at five o'clock in the morning to do - to get up at five o'clock in the morning to do the - to get up at five o'clock in - the morning to do the morning media — the morning to do the morning media round _ the morning to do the morning media round. i— the morning to do the morning media round. i can— the morning to do the morning media round. i can now- the morning to do the morning media round. i can now have . the morning to do the morning media round. i can now have a| media round. i can now have a few more _ media round. i can now have a few more tie _ media round. i can now have a few more tie in— media round. i can now have a few more lie in two— media round. i can now have a few more lie in two from - media round. i can now have a few more lie in two from nowl few more lie in two from now on _ few more lie in two from now on. ., . y ., �* on. you mean you didn't en'oy that? laughter. d on. you mean you didn't en'oy that? laughter. bbcfi on. you mean you didn't enjoy that? laughter. bbc more i on. you mean you didn't enjoy i that? laughter. bbc more than piers morgan- — that? laughter. bbc more than piers morgan. 0k, _ that? laughter. bbc more than piers morgan. 0k, well, - that? laughter. bbc more than piers morgan. 0k, well, i- piers morgan. 0k, well, i suopose _ piers morgan. 0k, well, i suopose it _ piers morgan. 0k, well, i suopose it is _ piers morgan. 0k, well, i suppose it is all - piers morgan. 0k, well, i suppose it is all relative, | suppose it is all relative, isn't it. i mean, how are you, since the prime minister kind of said he didn't require your services anymore? i’m of said he didn't require your services anymore? i'm good. i am treating — services anymore? i'm good. i am treating it _ services anymore? i'm good. i am treating it as _ services anymore? i'm good. i am treating it as an _ services anymore? i'm good. i am treating it as an enforced l am treating it as an enforced sabbaticat _ am treating it as an enforced sabbatical. it— am treating it as an enforced sabbatical. it is— am treating it as an enforced sabbatical. it is an _ sabbatical. it is an opportunity- sabbatical. it is an opportunity to- sabbatical. it is an opportunity to see sabbatical. it is an - opportunity to see my kids sabbatical. it is an _ opportunity to see my kids more and concentrate _ opportunity to see my kids more and concentrate on— opportunity to see my kids more and concentrate on the - opportunity to see my kids more and concentrate on the issues. and concentrate on the issues that— and concentrate on the issues that i— and concentrate on the issues that i care _ and concentrate on the issues that i care about. _ and concentrate on the issues that i care about. so - and concentrate on the issues that i care about. so you - and concentrate on the issues| that i care about. so you think you will— that i care about. so you think you will he _ that i care about. so you think you will be back? _ that i care about. so you think you will be back? i— that i care about. so you think you will be back? i don't - that i care about. so you thinki you will be back? i don't know. politics — you will be back? i don't know. politics is — you will be back? i don't know. politics is a _ you will be back? i don't know. politics is a winding _ you will be back? i don't know. politics is a winding road. - politics is a winding road. this— politics is a winding road. this may— politics is a winding road. this may he _ politics is a winding road. this may be a _ politics is a winding road. this may be a detail, - politics is a winding road. this may be a detail, but| politics is a winding road. - this may be a detail, but who knows? — this may be a detail, but who knows? ., . , this may be a detail, but who knows? ., ., , ., knows? how was the whole process? — knows? how was the whole process? how— knows? how was the whole process? how exactly - knows? how was the whole process? how exactly does| knows? how was the whole i process? how exactly does it work when the prime minister has green news to impart? well, it is a very _

has green news to impart? well, it is a very boris _ has green news to impart? well, it is a very boris like _ it is a very boris like conversation, - it is a very boris like conversation, where it is a very boris like - conversation, where there is a lot of. — conversation, where there is a lot of. you _ conversation, where there is a lot of. you are _ conversation, where there is a lot of, you are brilliant, - lot of, you are brilliant, you're _ lot of, you are brilliant, you're a _ lot of, you are brilliant, you're a great - lot of, you are brilliant, you're a great friend, ii lot of, you are brilliant, - you're a great friend, i enjoy working _ you're a great friend, i enjoy working with _ you're a great friend, i enjoy working with you, _ you're a great friend, i enjoy working with you, but - you're a great friend, i enjoy working with you, but the i you're a great friend, i enjoy. working with you, but the new kind _ working with you, but the new kind of— working with you, but the new kind of snow _ working with you, but the new kind of snow where _ working with you, but the new kind of snow where the - kind of snow where the conversation _ kind of snow where the conversation is - kind of snow where the i conversation is heading. kind of snow where the - conversation is heading. but we continue — conversation is heading. but we continue to— conversation is heading. but we continue to be _ conversation is heading. but we continue to be friends, - conversation is heading. but we continue to be friends, and - conversation is heading. but we continue to be friends, and who knows _ continue to be friends, and who knows what _ continue to be friends, and who knows what the _ continue to be friends, and who knows what the future - continue to be friends, and who knows what the future holds? l continue to be friends, and who i knows what the future holds? we should _ knows what the future holds? we should also — knows what the future holds? we should also talk— knows what the future holds? we should also talk about _ knows what the future holds? we should also talk about what - knows what the future holds? we should also talk about what is - should also talk about what is happening _ should also talk about what is happening with _ should also talk about what is happening with people's - should also talk about what isj happening with people's bills, there — happening with people's bills, there is— happening with people's bills, there is more _ happening with people's bills, there is more dramatic- happening with people's bills, there is more dramatic newsi happening with people's bills, i there is more dramatic news and there is more dramatic news and the energy— there is more dramatic news and the energy markets, _ there is more dramatic news and the energy markets, which- there is more dramatic news and the energy markets, which could have _ the energy markets, which could have a _ the energy markets, which could have a knock—on _ the energy markets, which could have a knock—on effect - the energy markets, which could have a knock—on effect to - the energy markets, which could have a knock—on effect to how i have a knock—on effect to how much — have a knock—on effect to how much people _ have a knock—on effect to how much people pay. _ have a knock-on effect to how much people pay-— much people pay. there is nobody who _ much people pay. there is nobody who is _ much people pay. there is nobody who is better - much people pay. there is nobody who is better at i much people pay. there is - nobody who is better at totting up nobody who is better at totting up what people pay than martin lewis, the money—saving expert. hello. lewis, the money-saving expert. hello. n. lewis, the money-saving expert. hello. a, , ., lewis, the money-saving expert. hello. ., ., hello. martin, you are about to record the _ hello. martin, you are about to record the martin _ hello. martin, you are about to record the martin lewis - hello. martin, you are about to record the martin lewis money| record the martin lewis money show live just after you have spoken to us? i show live just after you have spoken to us?— show live just after you have spoken to us? i am indeed. i have switched _ spoken to us? i am indeed. i have switched this _ spoken to us? i am indeed. i have switched this morning i spoken to us? i am indeed. i. have switched this morning the subject— have switched this morning the subject from _ have switched this morning the subject from bank— have switched this morning the subject from bank switching. have switched this morning thel subject from bank switching and getting — subject from bank switching and getting money— subject from bank switching and getting money back _ subject from bank switching and getting money back on - subject from bank switching and getting money back on your- subject from bank switching and | getting money back on your bank to talk— getting money back on your bank to talk energy _ getting money back on your bank to talk energy prices, _ getting money back on your bank to talk energy prices, because i to talk energy prices, because even — to talk energy prices, because even though— to talk energy prices, because even though i_ to talk energy prices, because even though i did _ to talk energy prices, because even though i did a _ to talk energy prices, because even though i did a show- to talk energy prices, because even though i did a show on i to talk energy prices, becausel even though i did a show on its two weeks _ even though i did a show on its two weeks ago. _ even though i did a show on its two weeks ago, things - even though i did a show on its two weeks ago, things have . even though i did a show on its| two weeks ago, things have got so much — two weeks ago, things have got so much worse _ two weeks ago, things have got so much worse in _ two weeks ago, things have got so much worse in the _ two weeks ago, things have got so much worse in the last - two weeks ago, things have got so much worse in the last two i so much worse in the last two weeks. — so much worse in the last two weeks. it— so much worse in the last two weeks. it is— so much worse in the last two weeks, it is shocking. - so much worse in the last two weeks, it is shocking.- weeks, it is shocking. ring us u . weeks, it is shocking. ring us u- to weeks, it is shocking. ring us up to date- — weeks, it is shocking. ring us up to date. where _ weeks, it is shocking. ring us up to date. where are - weeks, it is shocking. ring us up to date. where are we - weeks, it is shocking. ring us| up to date. where are we right now? this is moving pretty quickly, isn't it?—

quickly, isn't it? let's do a contrast- _ quickly, isn't it? let's do a contrast. one _ quickly, isn't it? let's do a contrast. one month - quickly, isn't it? let's do a contrast. one month ago, | quickly, isn't it? let's do a i contrast. one month ago, the energy— contrast. one month ago, the energy price. _ contrast. one month ago, the energy price. the _ contrast. one month ago, the energy price, the default - energy price, the default tariff— energy price, the default tariff that _ energy price, the default tariff that you _ energy price, the default tariff that you move - energy price, the default tariff that you move onto energy price, the default - tariff that you move onto when your _ tariff that you move onto when your fix — tariff that you move onto when your fix ends _ tariff that you move onto when your fix ends or _ tariff that you move onto when your fix ends or if— tariff that you move onto when your fix ends or if you - tariff that you move onto when your fix ends or if you have - your fix ends or if you have never — your fix ends or if you have never switched, _ your fix ends or if you have never switched, was - your fix ends or if you have never switched, was out i your fix ends or if you have i never switched, was out £1138 per year — never switched, was out £1138 per year for _ never switched, was out £1138 per year for somebody- never switched, was out £1138 per year for somebody with i per year for somebody with typical— per year for somebody with typical bills~ _ per year for somebody with typical bills. now _ per year for somebody with typical bills. now that - per year for somebody with typical bills. now that price is £1277_ typical bills. now that price is 51277 per— typical bills. now that price is £1277 per year, _ typical bills. now that price is £1277 per year, up- typical bills. now that price is £1277 per year, up 12%, i typical bills. now that price - is £1277 per year, up 12%, 13%, for people _ is £1277 per year, up 12%, 13%, for people on— is £1277 per year, up 12%, 13%, for people on prepay. - is £1277 per year, up 12%, 13%, for people on prepay. here - is £1277 per year, up 12%, 13%, for people on prepay. here is i for people on prepay. here is the real— for people on prepay. here is the real shocker. _ for people on prepay. here is the real shocker. this- for people on prepay. here is the real shocker. this is- for people on prepay. here is the real shocker. this is all. the real shocker. this is all on the _ the real shocker. this is all on the back— the real shocker. this is all on the back of— the real shocker. this is all on the back of wholesale i the real shocker. this is all. on the back of wholesale gas prices — on the back of wholesale gas prices going _ on the back of wholesale gas prices going up. _ on the back of wholesale gas prices going up, which- on the back of wholesale gas prices going up, which feed i prices going up, which feed into— prices going up, which feed into electricity— prices going up, which feed into electricity prices - prices going up, which feed into electricity prices as - into electricity prices as well, _ into electricity prices as well, because - into electricity prices as well, because so- into electricity prices as well, because so muchl into electricity prices as i well, because so much of into electricity prices as - well, because so much of the uk's — well, because so much of the uk's electricity— well, because so much of the uk's electricity is _ well, because so much of the uk's electricity is generated i uk's electricity is generated by gas _ uk's electricity is generated by gas the _ uk's electricity is generated by gas. the price _ uk's electricity is generated by gas. the price was - uk's electricity is generated by gas. the price was £1138| uk's electricity is generated . by gas. the price was £1138 per year— by gas. the price was £1138 per year on — by gas. the price was £1138 per year on typical— by gas. the price was £1138 per year on typical bills, _ by gas. the price was £1138 per year on typical bills, it - by gas. the price was £1138 per year on typical bills, it is- year on typical bills, it is now— year on typical bills, it is now £1277 _ year on typical bills, it is now £1277 per— year on typical bills, it is now £1277 per year. - year on typical bills, it isl now £1277 per year. from year on typical bills, it is- now £1277 per year. from the first _ now £1277 per year. from the first of— now £1277 per year. from the first of april _ now £1277 per year. from the first of april next _ now £1277 per year. from the first of april next year, - now £1277 per year. from the first of april next year, that l first of april next year, that price — first of april next year, that price is— first of april next year, that price is based _ first of april next year, that price is based on— first of april next year, that price is based on the - first of april next year, that - price is based on the wholesale rates _ price is based on the wholesale rates from _ price is based on the wholesale rates from august _ price is based on the wholesale rates from august to _ price is based on the wholesale rates from august to january. i rates from august to january. so we _ rates from august to january. so we are — rates from august to january. so we are in_ rates from august to january. so we are in that _ rates from august to january. so we are in that assessment| so we are in that assessment period — so we are in that assessment period and _ so we are in that assessment period and the _ so we are in that assessment period and the current - so we are in that assessment i period and the current estimate is, on _ period and the current estimate is, on first— period and the current estimate is, on first april, _ period and the current estimate is, on first april, the _ period and the current estimate is, on first april, the price - is, on first april, the price couple _ is, on first april, the price couple rise _ is, on first april, the price couple rise to _ is, on first april, the price

couple rise to £1660, - is, on first april, the price couple rise to £1660, a i is, on first april, the price i couple rise to £1660, a 30% rise — couple rise to £1660, a 30% rise in — couple rise to £1660, a 30% rise in the _ couple rise to £1660, a 30% rise in the price. _ couple rise to £1660, a 30% rise in the price. that - couple rise to £1660, a 30% rise in the price. that is - rise in the price. that is monumental, _ rise in the price. that is monumental, it - rise in the price. that is monumental, it is - rise in the price. that is - monumental, it is destructive for most _ monumental, it is destructive for most people's _ monumental, it is destructive for most people's bills, - monumental, it is destructive for most people's bills, it- for most people's bills, it means— for most people's bills, it means that _ for most people's bills, it means that year—on—year they will be — means that year—on—year they will be shouldering, _ means that year—on—year they will be shouldering, even- means that year—on—year they will be shouldering, even if. will be shouldering, even if you — will be shouldering, even if you are _ will be shouldering, even if you are on _ will be shouldering, even if you are on the _ will be shouldering, even if you are on the price, - will be shouldering, even if you are on the price, a - will be shouldering, even if. you are on the price, a £400 will be shouldering, even if- you are on the price, a £400 or £500 _ you are on the price, a £400 or £500 odd — you are on the price, a £400 or £500 odd rise. _ you are on the price, a £400 or £500 odd rise. t0— you are on the price, a £400 or £500 odd rise.— £500 odd rise. to use a technical _ £500 odd rise. to use a technical fiscal - £500 odd rise. to use a technical fiscal term - £500 odd rise. to use a i technical fiscal term here, ouch. n. technical fiscal term here, ouch. a, ., ., ouch. martin, from time to time, there _ ouch. martin, from time to time, there are _ ouch. martin, from time to time, there are these - ouch. martin, from time to l time, there are these spikes and — time, there are these spikes and then— time, there are these spikes and then they go away and from time _ and then they go away and from time to— and then they go away and from time to time there is a real frenzy— time to time there is a real frenzy of— time to time there is a real frenzy of concern about energy bill hikes — frenzy of concern about energy bill hikes and then it seems to fade — bill hikes and then it seems to fade but _ bill hikes and then it seems to fade. but this seems different. i fade. but this seems different. i mean. — fade. but this seems different. i mean, thisjust seems like these — i mean, thisjust seems like these prices have sort of escalated and are whizzing up, can you — escalated and are whizzing up, can you give us some kind of context. _ can you give us some kind of context, you have studied this stuff— context, you have studied this stuff years, what does this moment— stuff years, what does this moment feel to you? moment feelto you? firstly, i never thought _ moment feelto you? firstly, i never thought i _ moment feelto you? firstly, i never thought i would - moment feelto you? firstly, i never thought i would be - moment feelto you? firstly, i never thought i would be in i moment feelto you? firstly, i never thought i would be in a l never thought i would be in a position— never thought i would be in a position where _ never thought i would be in a position where my _ never thought i would be in a position where my advice - never thought i would be in a position where my advice to. position where my advice to people _ position where my advice to people was— position where my advice to people was to _ position where my advice to people was to do _ position where my advice to people was to do nothing, i people was to do nothing, because _ people was to do nothing, because it _ people was to do nothing, because it will— people was to do nothing, because it will put - people was to do nothing, because it will put you - people was to do nothing, i because it will put you want the default _ because it will put you want the default tariff. _ because it will put you want the default tariff. but - because it will put you want. the default tariff. but default tariff, — the default tariff. but default tariff, i— the default tariff. but default tariff, i have _ the default tariff. but default tariff, i have always - the default tariff. but defaultj tariff, i have always said, not the biggest _ tariff, i have always said, not the biggest fan _ tariff, i have always said, not the biggest fan of _ tariff, i have always said, not the biggest fan of the - tariff, i have always said, not the biggest fan of the price i the biggest fan of the price but l've _ the biggest fan of the price but i've always _ the biggest fan of the price but i've always said, - the biggest fan of the price but i've always said, it - the biggest fan of the price i but i've always said, it might be a — but i've always said, it might be a fair— but i've always said, it might be a fairtariff_ but i've always said, it might be a fair tariff but _ but i've always said, it might be a fair tariff but it - but i've always said, it might be a fair tariff but it isn't - but i've always said, it might be a fair tariff but it isn't a i be a fair tariff but it isn't a good — be a fair tariff but it isn't a good tariff _

be a fair tariff but it isn't a good tariff. you _ be a fair tariff but it isn't a good tariff. you can - be a fair tariff but it isn't a good tariff. you can save i good tariff. you can save hundreds _ good tariff. you can save hundreds by _ good tariff. you can save hundreds by switching. good tariff. you can save - hundreds by switching. well, that— hundreds by switching. well, that is— hundreds by switching. well, that is gone _ hundreds by switching. well, that is gone. you _ hundreds by switching. well, that is gone. you can't. - hundreds by switching. well, that is gone. you can't. my. that is gone. you can't. my show— that is gone. you can't. my show tonight, _ that is gone. you can't. my show tonight, questions i that is gone. you can't. myl show tonight, questions are flooding _ show tonight, questions are flooding in. _ show tonight, questions are flooding in, people - show tonight, questions are flooding in, people are - show tonight, questions are i flooding in, people are saying, should — flooding in, people are saying, should i— flooding in, people are saying, should i do— flooding in, people are saying, should i do this? _ flooding in, people are saying, should i do this? i— flooding in, people are saying, should i do this? i keep- flooding in, people are saying, should i do this? i keep sayingj should i do this? i keep saying do nothing. _ should i do this? i keep saying do nothing, which _ should i do this? i keep saying do nothing, which i _ should i do this? i keep saying do nothing, which i can't - do nothing, which i can't believe _ do nothing, which i can't believe. but— do nothing, which i can't believe. but you - do nothing, which i can't believe. but you have i do nothing, which i can't believe. but you have toj do nothing, which i can't - believe. but you have to look at the — believe. but you have to look at the maths _ believe. but you have to look at the maths of _ believe. but you have to look at the maths of this - believe. but you have to look at the maths of this now. - at the maths of this now. remember, _ at the maths of this now. remember, let's - at the maths of this now. remember, let's talk - at the maths of this now. i remember, let's talk about at the maths of this now. - remember, let's talk about the next _ remember, let's talk about the next april— remember, let's talk about the next april price. _ remember, let's talk about the next april price. it _ remember, let's talk about the next april price. it is _ remember, let's talk about the next april price. it is a - remember, let's talk about the next april price. it is a six- next april price. it is a six month— next april price. it is a six month assessment - next april price. it is a sixj month assessment period next april price. it is a six- month assessment period with two months _ month assessment period with two months through _ month assessment period with two months through that, - month assessment period with two months through that, a i two months through that, a third — two months through that, a third of— two months through that, a third of the _ two months through that, a third of the way— two months through that, a third of the way through - two months through that, a l third of the way through that. the price _ third of the way through that. the price is— third of the way through that. the price is not— third of the way through that. the price is not to _ third of the way through that. the price is not to rise - the price is not to rise heavily— the price is not to rise heavily in _ the price is not to rise heavily in april, - the price is not to rise heavily in april, theyi the price is not to rise - heavily in april, they would have — heavily in april, they would have to _ heavily in april, they would have to fall _ heavily in april, they would have to fall tomorrow- heavily in april, they would have to fall tomorrow to i heavily in april, they would - have to fall tomorrow to below the lowest _ have to fall tomorrow to below the lowest that _ have to fall tomorrow to below the lowest that they _ have to fall tomorrow to below the lowest that they were - have to fall tomorrow to below the lowest that they were in i the lowest that they were in the lowest that they were in the middle _ the lowest that they were in the middle of— the lowest that they were in the middle of the _ the lowest that they were in| the middle of the pandemic. that— the middle of the pandemic. that is— the middle of the pandemic. that is the _ the middle of the pandemic. that is the scale. _ the middle of the pandemic. that is the scale. it - the middle of the pandemic. that is the scale. it is - the middle of the pandemic. that is the scale. it is an- that is the scale. it is an average _ that is the scale. it is an average of— that is the scale. it is an average of six _ that is the scale. it is an average of six months, i that is the scale. it is an. average of six months, so unless— average of six months, so unless the _ average of six months, so unless the government i unless the government changes the metrics. _ unless the government changes the metrics, mr— unless the government changes the metrics, mr magic- unless the government changes the metrics, mr magic is - the metrics, mr magic is changed. _ the metrics, mr magic is changed. we _ the metrics, mr magic is changed, we absolutelyl the metrics, mr magic is i changed, we absolutely have cast-iron _ changed, we absolutely have cast—iron certainty— changed, we absolutely have cast—iron certainty that - changed, we absolutely have cast—iron certainty that it i changed, we absolutely have cast—iron certainty that it is i cast—iron certainty that it is going — cast—iron certainty that it is going up— cast—iron certainty that it is going up in— cast—iron certainty that it is going up in april. _ cast—iron certainty that it is going up in april, almost i going up in april, almost certainly— going up in april, almost certainly by _ going up in april, almost certainly by a _ going up in april, almost certainly by a lot, - going up in april, almost certainly by a lot, and i going up in april, almost i certainly by a lot, and even if, you _ certainly by a lot, and even if, you know. _ certainly by a lot, and even if, you know, everything i certainly by a lot, and even. if, you know, everything were to change _ if, you know, everything were to change and _ if, you know, everything were to change and wholesale i if, you know, everything were to change and wholesale gasl to change and wholesale gas prices — to change and wholesale gas prices were _ to change and wholesale gas prices were to _ to change and wholesale gas prices were to come - to change and wholesale gas prices were to come down i to change and wholesale gas prices were to come down to to change and wholesale gas i prices were to come down to a more — prices were to come down to a more reasonable _ prices were to come down to a more reasonable level, - prices were to come down to a more reasonable level, they. more reasonable level, they were — more reasonable level, they were to _ more reasonable level, they were to halve _ more reasonable level, they were to halve next - more reasonable level, they were to halve next week, i more reasonable level, they. were to halve next week, they would — were to halve next week, they would still _ were to halve next week, they would still be _ were to halve next week, they would still be going _ were to halve next week, they would still be going up- were to halve next week, they would still be going up by- were to halve next week, they would still be going up by 15. would still be going up by 15 or 20% _ would still be going up by 15 or 20% come _ would still be going up by 15 or 20% come next - would still be going up by 15 or 20% come next april, i would still be going up by 15| or 20% come next april, and they— or 20% come next april, and they have _ or 20% come next april, and they have already— or 20% come next april, and they have already gone - or 20% come next april, and they have already gone up i or 20% come next april, and i they have already gone up 12%. there _ they have already gone up 12%. there is—

they have already gone up 12%. there is nothing _ they have already gone up 12%. there is nothing like _ they have already gone up 12%. there is nothing like this, - they have already gone up 12%. there is nothing like this, and i there is nothing like this, and i there is nothing like this, and i don't — there is nothing like this, and i don't normally— there is nothing like this, and i don't normally defend - there is nothing like this, andi i don't normally defend energy companies, _ idon't normally defend energy companies. my— i don't normally defend energy companies, myjob _ i don't normally defend energy companies, myjob is - i don't normally defend energy companies, myjob is to - i don't normally defend energy companies, myjob is to look. companies, myjob is to look after— companies, myjob is to look after the _ companies, myjob is to look after the consumer, - companies, myjob is to look after the consumer, but- companies, myjob is to look after the consumer, but i- companies, myjob is to look after the consumer, but i do| after the consumer, but i do find — after the consumer, but i do find it _ after the consumer, but i do find it i_ after the consumer, but i do find it... i have— after the consumer, but i do find it... i have a— after the consumer, but i do find it... i have a wry- after the consumer, but i do find it... i have a wry smilel find it... i have a wry smile when — find it... i have a wry smile when what _ find it... i have a wry smile when what the _ find it... i have a wry smile when what the government find it... i have a wry smile i when what the government has set is, — when what the government has set is, we — when what the government has set is, we will— when what the government has set is, we will not _ when what the government has set is, we will not support i when what the government has set is, we will not support a i set is, we will not support a failed — set is, we will not support a failed business _ set is, we will not support a failed business models i set is, we will not support a. failed business models about all the — failed business models about all the energy— failed business models about all the energy companies - failed business models about| all the energy companies that are failing. _ all the energy companies that are failing, when _ all the energy companies that are failing, when the - all the energy companies that are failing, when the price - all the energy companies that are failing, when the price is. are failing, when the price is effectively _ are failing, when the price is effectively forcing _ are failing, when the price is effectively forcing them - are failing, when the price is effectively forcing them to l effectively forcing them to sell energy— effectively forcing them to sell energy at _ effectively forcing them to sell energy at 30% - effectively forcing them to sell energy at 30% belowi effectively forcing them to - sell energy at 30% below their cost _ sell energy at 30% below their cost i— sell energy at 30% below their cost lam _ sell energy at 30% below their cost lam not— sell energy at 30% below their cost. i am not sure _ sell energy at 30% below their cost. i am not sure you - sell energy at 30% below their cost. i am not sure you can . sell energy at 30% below their| cost. i am not sure you can say that — cost. i am not sure you can say that is_ cost. i am not sure you can say that is a _ cost. i am not sure you can say that is a failed _ cost. i am not sure you can say that is a failed business- that is a failed business model _ that is a failed business model. yes, _ that is a failed business model. yes, some- that is a failed business model. yes, some of. that is a failed business. model. yes, some of them that is a failed business— model. yes, some of them should have _ model. yes, some of them should have hedged — model. yes, some of them should have hedged and _ model. yes, some of them should have hedged and hedged - model. yes, some of them should have hedged and hedged better, i have hedged and hedged better, but not _ have hedged and hedged better, but not all— have hedged and hedged better, but not all of _ have hedged and hedged better, but not all of them. _ have hedged and hedged better, but not all of them. what - have hedged and hedged better, but not all of them. what is - but not all of them. what is going — but not all of them. what is going to _ but not all of them. what is going to do _ but not all of them. what is going to do is, _ but not all of them. what is going to do is, the - but not all of them. what is . going to do is, the government believes— going to do is, the government believes in— going to do is, the government believes in the _ going to do is, the government believes in the competitive - believes in the competitive marketing _ believes in the competitive marketing energy, - believes in the competitive marketing energy, well, i believes in the competitive i marketing energy, well, you believes in the competitive - marketing energy, well, you are absolutely— marketing energy, well, you are absolutely destroying _ marketing energy, well, you are absolutely destroying the - absolutely destroying the competitive _ absolutely destroying the competitive market, - absolutely destroying the l competitive market, there absolutely destroying the - competitive market, there may be than — competitive market, there may be than ten _ competitive market, there may be than ten providers _ competitive market, there may be than ten providers left. - competitive market, there may be than ten providers left. all. be than ten providers left. all the old — be than ten providers left. all the old big _ be than ten providers left. all the old big monopoly- be than ten providers left. all the old big monopoly ones i be than ten providers left. all. the old big monopoly ones where we wanted — the old big monopoly ones where we wanted to— the old big monopoly ones where we wanted to try _ the old big monopoly ones where we wanted to try to _ the old big monopoly ones where we wanted to try to break- the old big monopoly ones where we wanted to try to break the - we wanted to try to break the monopolv _ we wanted to try to break the monopoly. so— we wanted to try to break the monopoly. so if— we wanted to try to break the monopoly. so if this - we wanted to try to break the monopoly. so if this is - monopoly. so if this is short—term, _ monopoly. so if this is short—term, the - monopoly. so if this is - short—term, the government is doing _ short—term, the government is doing at— short—term, the government is doing at the _ short—term, the government is doing at the moment _ short—term, the government is doing at the moment is - doing at the moment is effectively— doing at the moment is effectively destroying l doing at the moment is l effectively destroying the market _ effectively destroying the market for _ effectively destroying the market for the _ effectively destroying the l market for the long—term. effectively destroying the . market for the long—term. i think— market for the long—term. i think that _ market for the long—term. i think that is _ market for the long—term. i think that is shortsighted. i market for the long—term. i. think that is shortsighted. you mentioned _ think that is shortsighted. you mentioned the _ think that is shortsighted. you mentioned the government, . think that is shortsighted. you i mentioned the government, let's bring _ mentioned the government, let's bring robert _ mentioned the government, let's bring robert back— mentioned the government, let's bring robert back in. _ mentioned the government, let's bring robert back in.— bring robert back in. reflect on what you _ bring robert back in. reflect on what you just _ bring robert back in. reflect on what you just heard - bring robert back in. reflect on what you just heard from | on what you just heard from martin, and what your constituents in newark are saying about this, with the prospect on bills shooting up? i think the biggest issue in the months ahead is going to be

the months ahead is going to be the cost — the months ahead is going to be the cost of living. how does the cost of living. how does the economy responds to the growing _ the economy responds to the growing pains of reopening and recovering after the pandemic, and energy prices are clearly going — and energy prices are clearly going to _ and energy prices are clearly going to be one part of that. but inflationary pressures are going — but inflationary pressures are going to _ but inflationary pressures are going to be there on all sorts of things— going to be there on all sorts of things across the economy, the bank— of things across the economy, the bank of england and others would — the bank of england and others would lead us to believe this is going _ would lead us to believe this is going to be transitory and it will— is going to be transitory and it will work its way out of the system — it will work its way out of the system quite quickly. my sense is that — system quite quickly. my sense is that it — system quite quickly. my sense is that it is _ system quite quickly. my sense is that it is going to be with us for— is that it is going to be with us for longer than that. and it is going — us for longer than that. and it is going to _ us for longer than that. and it is going to be very challenging for all— is going to be very challenging for all of— is going to be very challenging for all of us, but especially for all of us, but especially for people on low incomes, so this is— for people on low incomes, so this is going to be the big political question of at least the next six months, possibly the next six months, possibly the next _ the next six months, possibly the next year or more, and the government needs to be responding to this. do you think they _ responding to this. do you think they are _ responding to this. do you think they are taking - responding to this. do you think they are taking it - think they are taking it seriously enough, robert? when we sat down with borisjohnson this week he said, i'm not worried about this, i'm not worried about this, i'm not worried because it will work its way through. do you think to some people that sounds like

a bit of a ten year? i to some people that sounds like a bit of a ten year?— a bit of a ten year? i think it will work — a bit of a ten year? i think it will work its _ a bit of a ten year? i think it will work its way _ a bit of a ten year? i think it will work its way through. it | will work its way through. it is not — will work its way through. it is not unique to the uk, it is happening all over the world... but if— happening all over the world... but if you — happening all over the world... but if you can't pay your bills, you are not really bothered about whether it is going to work its way through in six months.— in six months. that's right. i do think _ in six months. that's right. i do think this _ in six months. that's right. i do think this is _ in six months. that's right. i do think this is going - in six months. that's right. i do think this is going to - in six months. that's right. i do think this is going to be l do think this is going to be with— do think this is going to be with us— do think this is going to be with us for at least six months, may be significantly longer, — months, may be significantly longer, and if you are seeing inflation _ longer, and if you are seeing inflation of 2% or 3% or 5%, maybe _ inflation of 2% or 3% or 5%, maybe even higher, small businesses i speak to are saying _ businesses i speak to are saying that they are having to put up — saying that they are having to put up their prices vary significantly, you know, everything is rising from the cost — everything is rising from the cost of— everything is rising from the cost of labour, materials, shipment, containerised products from the far east, for example. — products from the far east, for example, going up, hundreds and hundreds— example, going up, hundreds and hundreds %, i think it will be extremely challenging. we are going — extremely challenging. we are going to — extremely challenging. we are going to have to be really alive _ going to have to be really alive to _ going to have to be really alive to this. i do think that the — alive to this. i do think that the prime _ alive to this. i do think that the prime minister understands that _ the prime minister understands that. ~ ., the prime minister understands that. . . , , that. what in practical terms cannot should _ that. what in practical terms cannot should the _ that. what in practical terms i cannot should the government do? ~ ~ . cannot should the government do? ~ ~ , . do? well, i think there is a question — do? well, i think there is a question for— do? well, i think there is a question for the _ do? well, i think there is a question for the bank - do? well, i think there is a question for the bank of i question for the bank of england as to what it does, and ithink— england as to what it does, and i think it — england as to what it does, and i think it has let inflation

get _ i think it has let inflation get a _ i think it has let inflation get a bit out of control. we will — get a bit out of control. we will have _ get a bit out of control. we will have to see how they choose _ will have to see how they choose to respond in the months ahead _ choose to respond in the months ahead but — choose to respond in the months ahead. but the government is going — ahead. but the government is going to — ahead. but the government is going to have to be extremely focused — going to have to be extremely focused on the day today cost that it — focused on the day today cost that it is _ focused on the day today cost that it is imposing on people, the energy price of course which _ the energy price of course which we have just been discussing is one, further taxes _ discussing is one, further taxes is _ discussing is one, further taxes is another one, as former local— taxes is another one, as former local government secretary i am aware _ local government secretary i am aware the — local government secretary i am aware the next tax question will he _ aware the next tax question will be council tax, and that will — will be council tax, and that will he _ will be council tax, and that will be set —— settled at the spending _ will be set —— settled at the spending review in a couple of weeks — spending review in a couple of weeks. that'll be a significant extra — weeks. that'll be a significant extra cost— weeks. that'll be a significant extra cost for a lot of income and — extra cost for a lot of income and middle income families. are ou and middle income families. are you calling _ and middle income families. are you calling for — and middle income families. site: you calling for a council and middle income families. jij9 you calling for a council tax freeze then, robert? h you calling for a council tax freeze then, robert? i don't thinkthat— freeze then, robert? i don't think that is _ freeze then, robert? i don't think that is realistic, - think that is realistic, because council tax has to pay for social— because council tax has to pay for social care and a lot of other— for social care and a lot of other important public services, but i would be nervous _ services, but i would be nervous if you saw it rising try. — nervous if you saw it rising try. say. _ nervous if you saw it rising by, say, 5%. it is likely to be a three—year settlement so that could _ a three—year settlement so that could he — a three—year settlement so that could he a — a three—year settlement so that could be a 15% increase over the course of this parliament. that— the course of this parliament. that would make me concerned. we have — that would make me concerned. we have got a bit more time with you, martin, but i know

you have to go off to your own show. ijust want you have to go off to your own show. i just want to ask you, do you think the government actually have a clue about how serious was this is going to filter people?— serious was this is going to filter people? no, i don't. i am hearing _ filter people? no, i don't. i am hearing about - filter people? no, i don't. i am hearing about the - filter people? no, i don't. i am hearing about the bank| filter people? no, i don't. i. am hearing about the bank of england — am hearing about the bank of england doing _ am hearing about the bank of england doing something, - am hearing about the bank of england doing something, i. am hearing about the bank of i england doing something, i am not sure — england doing something, i am not sure what _ england doing something, i am not sure what tools _ england doing something, i am not sure what tools the - england doing something, i am not sure what tools the bank . england doing something, i ami not sure what tools the bank of england — not sure what tools the bank of england has— not sure what tools the bank of england has to _ not sure what tools the bank of england has to deal— not sure what tools the bank of england has to deal with - not sure what tools the bank of england has to deal with the i england has to deal with the supply-side _ england has to deal with the supply—side squeeze - england has to deal with the supply—side squeeze in - england has to deal with the supply—side squeeze in the i england has to deal with the i supply—side squeeze in the way we have — supply—side squeeze in the way we have right _ supply—side squeeze in the way we have right now. _ supply—side squeeze in the way we have right now. i— supply—side squeeze in the way we have right now. ithink- supply—side squeeze in the way we have right now. i think howl we have right now. i think how long _ we have right now. i think how long it — we have right now. i think how long it will— we have right now. i think how long it will be, _ we have right now. i think how long it will be, look, _ we have right now. i think how long it will be, look, listen - long it will be, look, listen to what— long it will be, look, listen to what i'm _ long it will be, look, listen to what i'm saying. - long it will be, look, listen to what i'm saying. the . long it will be, look, listen . to what i'm saying. the price went — to what i'm saying. the price went up— to what i'm saying. the price went up on— to what i'm saying. the price went up on the _ to what i'm saying. the price went up on the first - to what i'm saying. the price went up on the first of- went up on the first of october. _ went up on the first of october, that- went up on the first of october, that price . went up on the first ofl october, that price last went up on the first of- october, that price last six months _ october, that price last six months 0n— october, that price last six months. on the _ october, that price last six months. on the first - october, that price last six months. on the first of - october, that price last six. months. on the first of april it will— months. on the first of april it will go— months. on the first of april it will go up— months. on the first of april it will go up again _ months. on the first of april it will go up again by - months. on the first of april it will go up again by a - months. on the first of april it will go up again by a huge | it will go up again by a huge amount, _ it will go up again by a huge amount, trut— it will go up again by a huge amount, but lasts _ it will go up again by a huge amount, but lasts until- it will go up again by a huge amount, but lasts until the i amount, but lasts until the first— amount, but lasts until the first of— amount, but lasts until the first of october— amount, but lasts until the first of october next - amount, but lasts until the first of october next year. i amount, but lasts until the i first of october next year. on energy— first of october next year. on energy at _ first of october next year. on energy at least _ first of october next year. on energy at least we _ first of october next year. on energy at least we know - first of october next year. on energy at least we know thisi first of october next year. on. energy at least we know this is lasting — energy at least we know this is lasting one _ energy at least we know this is lasting one year, _ energy at least we know this is lasting one year, guaranteed. i energy at least we know this is| lasting one year, guaranteed. i think— lasting one year, guaranteed. i think ending— lasting one year, guaranteed. i think ending the _ lasting one year, guaranteed. i think ending the universal- think ending the universal credit— think ending the universal credit uplift— think ending the universal credit uplift in _ think ending the universal credit uplift in the - think ending the universal credit uplift in the mist. think ending the universal credit uplift in the mist of| think ending the universal. credit uplift in the mist of a cost — credit uplift in the mist of a cost of— credit uplift in the mist of a cost of living _ credit uplift in the mist of a cost of living crisis - credit uplift in the mist of a cost of living crisis was - credit uplift in the mist of a cost of living crisis was a i credit uplift in the mist of al cost of living crisis was a ten year— cost of living crisis was a ten year and _ cost of living crisis was a ten year and will _ cost of living crisis was a ten year and will leave _ cost of living crisis was a ten year and will leave us - cost of living crisis was a ten year and will leave us with l cost of living crisis was a ten year and will leave us with a | year and will leave us with a property— year and will leave us with a property problem _ year and will leave us with a property problem like - year and will leave us with a property problem like we i property problem like we haven't _ property problem like we haven't seen— property problem like we haven't seen for- property problem like we haven't seen for years. . property problem like we haven't seen for years. ii property problem like we - haven't seen for years. i think that— haven't seen for years. i think that was— haven't seen for years. i think that was a _ haven't seen for years. i think that was a disastrous - haven't seen for years. i think that was a disastrous move. l haven't seen for years. i think that was a disastrous move. i| that was a disastrous move. i think— that was a disastrous move. i think it — that was a disastrous move. i think it was _ that was a disastrous move. i think it was shortsighted. -

that was a disastrous move. i think it was shortsighted. i i that was a disastrous move. ii think it was shortsighted. i am not saying _ think it was shortsighted. i am not saying it _ think it was shortsighted. i am not saying it should _ not saying it should necessarily - not saying it should necessarily last - not saying it should - necessarily last forever, but this— necessarily last forever, but this is— necessarily last forever, but this is not— necessarily last forever, but this is not the _ necessarily last forever, but this is not the time - necessarily last forever, but this is not the time to - necessarily last forever, but this is not the time to end l this is not the time to end that— this is not the time to end that stop _ this is not the time to end that stop i _ this is not the time to end that stop i think— this is not the time to end that stop i think the - this is not the time to end that stop i think the fact l that stop i think the fact there _ that stop i think the fact there was— that stop i think the fact there was not _ that stop i think the fact there was not a - that stop i think the facti there was not a mention that stop i think the fact i there was not a mention of that stop i think the fact - there was not a mention of it in the — there was not a mention of it in the prime _ there was not a mention of it in the prime minister's - there was not a mention of it. in the prime minister's speech, for me. — in the prime minister's speech, for me. i— in the prime minister's speech, for me, i focus— in the prime minister's speech, for me, i focus on— in the prime minister's speech, for me, i focus on it _ in the prime minister's speech, for me, i focus on it all- in the prime minister's speech, for me, i focus on it all the - for me, i focus on it all the time — for me, i focus on it all the time this— for me, i focus on it all the time this week, _ for me, i focus on it all the time this week, it - for me, i focus on it all the time this week, it was - for me, i focus on it all the time this week, it was a i for me, i focus on it all the i time this week, it was a real struggle _ time this week, it was a real struggle they— time this week, it was a real struggle. they talk- time this week, it was a real struggle. they talk on - time this week, it was a reall struggle. they talk on energy prices, — struggle. they talk on energy prices. you _ struggle. they talk on energy prices, you know, _ struggle. they talk on energy prices, you know, we - struggle. they talk on energy prices, you know, we take . struggle. they talk on energy prices, you know, we take a i prices, you know, we take a warm — prices, you know, we take a warm home _ prices, you know, we take a warm home discount, - prices, you know, we take a warm home discount, the l prices, you know, we take a i warm home discount, the £140 but those — warm home discount, the £140 but those on _ warm home discount, the £140 but those on the _ warm home discount, the £140 but those on the pension - warm home discount, the £140i but those on the pension credit and some — but those on the pension credit and some on— but those on the pension credit and some on the _ but those on the pension credit and some on the incomes - but those on the pension credit and some on the incomes get, | and some on the incomes get, the plan — and some on the incomes get, the plan is _ and some on the incomes get, the plan is to— and some on the incomes get, the plan is to increase - and some on the incomes get, the plan is to increase that- and some on the incomes get, the plan is to increase that toi the plan is to increase that to £150 — the plan is to increase that to £150 next _ the plan is to increase that to £150 next april. _ the plan is to increase that to £150 next april. well, - the plan is to increase that to £150 next april. well, you - £150 next april. well, you know. _ £150 next april. well, you know. the _ £150 next april. well, you know, the price _ £150 next april. well, you know, the price couple . £150 next april. well, you know, the price couple goi £150 next april. well, you i know, the price couple go up 12% — know, the price couple go up 12% now. _ know, the price couple go up 12% now, potentially- know, the price couple go up 12% now, potentially up - know, the price couple go up 12% now, potentially up 30%| 12% now, potentially up 30% next — 12% now, potentially up 30% next april. _ 12% now, potentially up 30% next april, and _ 12% now, potentially up 30% next april, and by— 12% now, potentially up 30% next april, and by increasing the vulnerable _ next april, and by increasing the vulnerable people - next april, and by increasing| the vulnerable people people next april, and by increasing - the vulnerable people people by £10 from — the vulnerable people people by £10 from £1_ the vulnerable people people by £10 from it -- _ the vulnerable people people by £10 from £1 —— £140 _ the vulnerable people people by £10 from £1 —— £140 to - the vulnerable people people by £10 from £1 -- £140 to £150. . £10 from £1 —— £140 to £150. too _ £10 from £1 —— £140 to £150. too little _ £10from £1 -- £140 to £150. too little too _ £10from £1 -- £140 to £150. too little too late, _ £10fi’oiti £1 -- £140 to £150. too little too late, and - £10fi’oiti £1 -- £140 to £150. too little too late, and we i £10 from £1 -- £140 to £150. i too little too late, and we are going — too little too late, and we are going to — too little too late, and we are going to have _ too little too late, and we are going to have people - too little too late, and we are going to have people in - too little too late, and we are going to have people in real. going to have people in real property. _ going to have people in real property. eood _ going to have people in real property. food banks - going to have people in real property. food banks are i going to have people in real. property. food banks are going to get— property. food banks are going to get a — property. food banks are going to get a hell— property. food banks are going to get a hell of— property. food banks are going to get a hell of a _ property. food banks are going to get a hell of a lot _ property. food banks are going to get a hell of a lot busier- to get a hell of a lot busier and — to get a hell of a lot busier and something _ to get a hell of a lot busier and something needs - to get a hell of a lot busier and something needs to i to get a hell of a lot busier| and something needs to be to get a hell of a lot busier- and something needs to be done now _ and something needs to be done now i_ and something needs to be done now. i understand _ and something needs to be done now. i understand physical- and something needs to be done now. i understand physical and i now. i understand physical and prudent— now. i understand physical and prudent responsibility, - now. i understand physical and prudent responsibility, but - prudent responsibility, but that— prudent responsibility, but that is— prudent responsibility, but that is a _ prudent responsibility, but that is a very _ prudent responsibility, but that is a very difficult - that is a very difficult argument _ that is a very difficult argument for- that is a very difficult argument for people| that is a very difficult . argument for people to that is a very difficult - argument for people to make, two to— argument for people to make, two to people. _ argument for people to make, two to people, when - argument for people to make, two to people, when they- argument for people to make, . two to people, when they cannot put food — two to people, when they cannot put food in — two to people, when they cannot put food in their— two to people, when they cannot put food in their kids' _ two to people, when they cannot put food in their kids' mounts. . put food in their kids' mounts. martini — put food in their kids' mounts. martin, thanks _ put food in their kids' mounts. martin, thanks very— put food in their kids' mounts. martin, thanks very much. - put food in their kids' mounts. martin, thanks very much. i. martin, thanks very much. i will let you go and do your

other show, will let you go and do your othershow, because will let you go and do your other show, because you are speaking to us from % of the before it starts, very meta, very newscast. thanks for your time and you are so busy. cheers. time and you are so busy. cheers— time and you are so busy. cheers. :, , , a , time and you are so busy. cheers. :,, , a , :, cheers. robert, picking up on that point— cheers. robert, picking up on that point martin _ cheers. robert, picking up on that point martin was - cheers. robert, picking up on that point martin was making| that point martin was making ben about universal credit and the end of the uplift, given the end of the uplift, given the timing, given what else is happening economically, was it a mistake? i happening economically, was it a mistake?— a mistake? i don't think so, but i a mistake? i don't think so, but i think— a mistake? i don't think so, but i think it _ a mistake? i don't think so, but i think it is _ a mistake? i don't think so, but i think it is a _ a mistake? i don't think so, but i think it is a hard - but i think it is a hard decision— but i think it is a hard decision seeing - but i think it is a hard decision seeing what| but i think it is a hard . decision seeing what we but i think it is a hard - decision seeing what we are but i think it is a hard _ decision seeing what we are now seeing _ decision seeing what we are now seeing happening _ decision seeing what we are now seeing happening in— decision seeing what we are now seeing happening in the - seeing happening in the economy _ seeing happening in the economy. it _ seeing happening in the economy. it was - seeing happening in the . economy. it was obviously seeing happening in the - economy. it was obviously a short-term _ economy. it was obviously a short—term measure - economy. it was obviously a - short—term measure introduced for the — short—term measure introduced for the right— short—term measure introduced for the right reasons _ short—term measure introduced for the right reasons at - short—term measure introduced for the right reasons at the - for the right reasons at the height— for the right reasons at the height of— for the right reasons at the height of the _ for the right reasons at the height of the pandemic, i for the right reasons at the i height of the pandemic, and it had to— height of the pandemic, and it had to be _ height of the pandemic, and it had to be retired _ height of the pandemic, and it had to be retired at— height of the pandemic, and it had to be retired at some - had to be retired at some point _ had to be retired at some point i_ had to be retired at some point. i think— had to be retired at some point. i think the - had to be retired at some | point. i think the question that— point. i think the question that martin _ point. i think the question that martin is _ point. i think the question that martin is raising - point. i think the question that martin is raising is, l point. i think the questioni that martin is raising is, is that— that martin is raising is, is that the _ that martin is raising is, is that the point _ that martin is raising is, is that the point or- that martin is raising is, is that the point or should i that martin is raising is, is that the point or should it| that the point or should it have _ that the point or should it have been_ that the point or should it have been extended - that the point or should it. have been extended longer. that the point or should it - have been extended longer. i think— have been extended longer. i think those _ have been extended longer. i think those arguments - have been extended longer. i think those arguments will i think those arguments will always— think those arguments will always be _ think those arguments will always be made, - think those arguments will always be made, even- think those arguments will always be made, even if. think those arguments will. always be made, even if the chancellor _ always be made, even if the chancellor decided - always be made, even if the chancellor decided to- always be made, even if the i chancellor decided to extended by another— chancellor decided to extended by another six _ chancellor decided to extended by another six months - chancellor decided to extended by another six months or- chancellor decided to extended by another six months or a - by another six months or a year. — by another six months or a year. it— by another six months or a year. it is_ by another six months or a year, it is very _ by another six months or a year, it is very difficult - by another six months or a year, it is very difficult in i year, it is very difficult in politics— year, it is very difficult in politics to _ year, it is very difficult in politics to take _ year, it is very difficult in politics to take a - year, it is very difficult in politics to take a benefiti year, it is very difficult in - politics to take a benefit away from — politics to take a benefit away from pebble. _ politics to take a benefit away from people, successive - from people, successive governments _ from people, successive governments have - from people, successive governments have felt l from people, successive . governments have felt bad. from people, successive - governments have felt bad. but not to _ governments have felt bad. but not to do— governments have felt bad. but not to do so— governments have felt bad. but not to do so would _ governments have felt bad. but not to do so would then - governments have felt bad. but not to do so would then make l governments have felt bad. buti not to do so would then make it very— not to do so would then make it very hard — not to do so would then make it very hard for— not to do so would then make it very hard forany_ not to do so would then make it very hard for any future - very hard for any future government— very hard for any future

government to - very hard for any future government to respond very hard for any future . government to respond to very hard for any future - government to respond to a crisis — government to respond to a crisis ot— government to respond to a crisis of any _ government to respond to a crisis of any level, - government to respond to a crisis of any level, certainly| crisis of any level, certainly one — crisis of any level, certainly one of— crisis of any level, certainly one of the _ crisis of any level, certainly one of the scale _ crisis of any level, certainly one of the scale of- crisis of any level, certainly one of the scale of covid, l crisis of any level, certainly| one of the scale of covid, by introducing _ one of the scale of covid, by introducing something - one of the scale of covid, by introducing something like l introducing something like this — introducing something like this. because _ introducing something like this. because they - introducing something like this. because they would i introducing something like i this. because they would be aware — this. because they would be aware that— this. because they would be aware that it _ this. because they would be aware that it would - this. because they would be aware that it would be - this. because they would be i aware that it would be almost impossible _ aware that it would be almost impossible to _ aware that it would be almost impossible to ever _ aware that it would be almost impossible to ever withdraw. aware that it would be almosti impossible to ever withdraw it. ithink— impossible to ever withdraw it. i think it — impossible to ever withdraw it. i think it was _ impossible to ever withdraw it. i think it was probably- impossible to ever withdraw it. i think it was probably the - i think it was probably the right— i think it was probably the right decision, _ i think it was probably the right decision, but - i think it was probably the right decision, but we - i think it was probably thei right decision, but we have i think it was probably the - right decision, but we have got to be _ right decision, but we have got to be very— right decision, but we have got to be very careful— right decision, but we have got to be very careful about - right decision, but we have got to be very careful about how. right decision, but we have goti to be very careful about how we toad _ to be very careful about how we toad further _ to be very careful about how we load further costs _ to be very careful about how we load further costs on _ to be very careful about how we load further costs on membersi load further costs on members of the — load further costs on members of the public— load further costs on members of the public in _ load further costs on members of the public in terms - load further costs on members of the public in terms of - of the public in terms of taxation— of the public in terms of taxation and _ of the public in terms of taxation and other- of the public in terms of l taxation and other things, of the public in terms of - taxation and other things, and how— taxation and other things, and how we — taxation and other things, and how we try— taxation and other things, and how we try to— taxation and other things, and how we try to increase - taxation and other things, and how we try to increase wages i taxation and other things, and. how we try to increase wages in a sustainable _ how we try to increase wages in a sustainable way, _ how we try to increase wages in a sustainable way, wages- how we try to increase wages in a sustainable way, wages are l a sustainable way, wages are rising. — a sustainable way, wages are rising. that _ a sustainable way, wages are rising. that is _ a sustainable way, wages are rising, that is extremely- a sustainable way, wages are| rising, that is extremely good news, — rising, that is extremely good news, but _ rising, that is extremely good news, but it— rising, that is extremely good news, but it has— rising, that is extremely good news, but it has to _ rising, that is extremely good news, but it has to be - news, but it has to be sustainable. - news, but it has to be sustainable. that - news, but it has to be sustainable. that is. news, but it has to be - sustainable. that is about productivity _ sustainable. that is about productivity rather - sustainable. that is about productivity rather than i sustainable. that is about - productivity rather than simply increasing _ productivity rather than simply increasing costs, _ productivity rather than simply increasing costs, because - productivity rather than simply increasing costs, because that| increasing costs, because that will increasing costs, because that wittiust— increasing costs, because that wittiust ftow _ increasing costs, because that will just flow through - increasing costs, because that willjust flow through into - increasing costs, because that willjust flow through into the i willjust flow through into the prices — willjust flow through into the prices that— willjust flow through into the prices that we _ willjust flow through into the prices that we all— willjust flow through into the prices that we all pay- willjust flow through into the prices that we all pay for- prices that we all pay for goods— prices that we all pay for goods and _ prices that we all pay for goods and services - prices that we all pay for goods and services in . prices that we all pay for| goods and services in the shops _ goods and services in the sho s. ., ., ~ goods and services in the shos. . ,, ., goods and services in the shos. ., ., shops. looking back at your old apartment. _ shops. looking back at your old apartment. you _ shops. looking back at your old apartment, you are _ shops. looking back at your old apartment, you are talking - apartment, you are talking about some of the things the government can control, because of course the government can't control the global price of gas. are there other tools that you think the government could deploy? maybe in other departments other than your old one? or do you think we're going to have to invent some new stuff to people through this? ~ . ., new stuff to people through this? . . ., ., new stuff to people through this? ~ . ., ., ., new stuff to people through

this? ~ _, ., ., ., this? welcome to the heart of the government _ this? welcome to the heart of the government strategy - this? welcome to the heart of the government strategy is i the government strategy is creating _ the government strategy is creating jobs _ the government strategy is creating jobs and _ the government strategy is creating jobs and trying - the government strategy is creating jobs and trying toi creating jobs and trying to ensure _ creating jobs and trying to ensure that _ creating jobs and trying to ensure that real— creating jobs and trying to ensure that real wages . creating jobs and trying to . ensure that real wages rise, and — ensure that real wages rise, and as— ensure that real wages rise, and as you _ ensure that real wages rise, and as you say, _ ensure that real wages rise, and as you say, on - ensure that real wages rise, and as you say, on both- ensure that real wages rise, and as you say, on both of. and as you say, on both of those _ and as you say, on both of those fronts, _ and as you say, on both of those fronts, there - and as you say, on both of those fronts, there is- and as you say, on both of| those fronts, there is good news _ those fronts, there is good news we _ those fronts, there is good news. we are _ those fronts, there is good news. we are creating - those fronts, there is good news. we are creating a i those fronts, there is good| news. we are creating a lot those fronts, there is good i news. we are creating a lot of jobs, — news. we are creating a lot of jobs. there _ news. we are creating a lot of jobs. there is— news. we are creating a lot of jobs, there is a _ news. we are creating a lot of jobs, there is a huge - news. we are creating a lot of jobs, there is a huge numberi news. we are creating a lot of. jobs, there is a huge number of vacancies, _ jobs, there is a huge number of vacancies, over— jobs, there is a huge number of vacancies, overl— jobs, there is a huge number of vacancies, over1million- jobs, there is a huge number of vacancies, over1 million in- vacancies, over1 million in the — vacancies, over1 million in the economy— vacancies, over1 million in the economy right - vacancies, over1 million in the economy right now. i vacancies, over1 million in. the economy right now. and wages — the economy right now. and wages are _ the economy right now. and wages are rising. _ the economy right now. and wages are rising. we - the economy right now. and wages are rising. we need l the economy right now. andl wages are rising. we need to make — wages are rising. we need to make sure _ wages are rising. we need to make sure that _ wages are rising. we need to make sure that is— wages are rising. we need to make sure that is a _ wages are rising. we need to . make sure that is a sustainable increase — make sure that is a sustainable increase and _ make sure that is a sustainable increase and there _ make sure that is a sustainable increase and there is _ make sure that is a sustainable increase and there is some - increase and there is some evidence _ increase and there is some evidence that _ increase and there is some evidence that it _ increase and there is some evidence that it is- increase and there is some evidence that it is in- increase and there is some evidence that it is in some| evidence that it is in some sectors, _ evidence that it is in some sectors, others, _ evidence that it is in some sectors, others, it- evidence that it is in some sectors, others, it is- evidence that it is in some sectors, others, it is not, i evidence that it is in some| sectors, others, it is not, if you— sectors, others, it is not, if you pay— sectors, others, it is not, if you pay somebody - sectors, others, it is not, if. you pay somebody £80,000 a sectors, others, it is not, if- you pay somebody £80,000 a year to drive _ you pay somebody £80,000 a year to drive and — you pay somebody £80,000 a year to drive and hgv_ you pay somebody £80,000 a year to drive and hgv vehicle _ you pay somebody £80,000 a year to drive and hgv vehicle but - to drive and hgv vehicle but there — to drive and hgv vehicle but there is— to drive and hgv vehicle but there is no— to drive and hgv vehicle but there is no innovation- to drive and hgv vehicle but there is no innovation or- there is no innovation or increasing _ there is no innovation or increasing output- there is no innovation or increasing output of- increasing output of productivity, - increasing output of productivity, then . increasing output of. productivity, then that increasing output of- productivity, then that isjust going — productivity, then that isjust going to _ productivity, then that isjust going to flow— productivity, then that isjust going to flow through - productivity, then that isjust going to flow through into i productivity, then that is justi going to flow through into the cost _ going to flow through into the cost of— going to flow through into the cost of those _ going to flow through into the cost of those goods _ going to flow through into the cost of those goods in - going to flow through into the cost of those goods in the - cost of those goods in the shops. _ cost of those goods in the shops. and _ cost of those goods in the shops, and some - cost of those goods in the shops, and some in - cost of those goods in the shops, and some in the l shops, and some in the long-term, _ shops, and some in the long—term, that - shops, and some in the long—term, that is - shops, and some in the long—term, that is not. shops, and some in the - long—term, that is not going to anyone, — long—term, that is not going to anyone. there _ long—term, that is not going to anyone, there is _ long—term, that is not going to anyone, there is no _ long—term, that is not going to anyone, there is no such- long—term, that is not going to anyone, there is no such thing| anyone, there is no such thing as a _ anyone, there is no such thing as a free — anyone, there is no such thing as a free lunch _ anyone, there is no such thing as a free lunch here. - anyone, there is no such thing as a free lunch here. do- anyone, there is no such thing as a free lunch here.— as a free lunch here. do you think their _ as a free lunch here. do you think their wages _ as a free lunch here. do you think their wages should - as a free lunch here. do you think their wages should go | think their wages should go back down then? i think their wages should go back down then?— think their wages should go back down then? i don't want to see that, back down then? i don't want to see that. i _ back down then? i don't want to see that, i think— back down then? i don't want to see that, i think it _ back down then? i don't want to see that, i think it will - see that, i think it will happen— see that, i think it will happen in— see that, i think it will happen in the - see that, i think it will happen in the longer. see that, i think it will- happen in the longer term but the problem _ happen in the longer term but the problem in _ happen in the longer term but the problem in that— happen in the longer term but the problem in that market i happen in the longer term but. the problem in that market was obviously— the problem in that market was obviously people _ the problem in that market was obviously people have - the problem in that market was obviously people have been - the problem in that market wasi obviously people have been paid too little — obviously people have been paid too little and _ obviously people have been paid too little and the _ obviously people have been paid too little and the conditions - too little and the conditions were — too little and the conditions were poor— too little and the conditions were poor so _ too little and the conditions were poor so younger - too little and the conditions. were poor so younger people too little and the conditions - were poor so younger people did not want — were poor so younger people did not want to— were poor so younger people did not want to go _ were poor so younger people did not want to go into _

were poor so younger people did not want to go into it. _ were poor so younger people did not want to go into it. if- were poor so younger people did not want to go into it. if the - not want to go into it. if the current— not want to go into it. if the current situation— not want to go into it. if the| current situation encourages those — current situation encourages those businesses _ current situation encourages those businesses to - current situation encourages those businesses to treat. current situation encourages . those businesses to treat their employees— those businesses to treat their employees better, _ those businesses to treat their employees better, to- those businesses to treat their employees better, to provide. employees better, to provide better— employees better, to provide better terms _ employees better, to provide better terms and _ employees better, to provide better terms and conditions i employees better, to providei better terms and conditions to ensure — better terms and conditions to ensure that _ better terms and conditions to ensure that the _ better terms and conditions to ensure that the service - ensure that the service stations _ ensure that the service stations and _ ensure that the service stations and so - ensure that the service stations and so on - ensure that the service stations and so on are i ensure that the service - stations and so on are more attractive _ stations and so on are more attractive than— stations and so on are more attractive than that's - stations and so on are more attractive than that's a - stations and so on are more i attractive than that's a good thing — attractive than that's a good thing but _ attractive than that's a good thing but we _ attractive than that's a good thing but we shouldn't - attractive than that's a good thing but we shouldn't get l thing but we shouldn't get ourselves— thing but we shouldn't get ourselves into _ thing but we shouldn't get ourselves into thinking - thing but we shouldn't geti ourselves into thinking that necessarily— ourselves into thinking that necessarily means - ourselves into thinking that necessarily means that - ourselves into thinking that necessarily means that the| necessarily means that the country _ necessarily means that the country gets _ necessarily means that the country gets wealthier, - necessarily means that the| country gets wealthier, but tiving — country gets wealthier, but living standards _ country gets wealthier, but living standards can - country gets wealthier, but living standards can rise, . country gets wealthier, but i living standards can rise, but we are — living standards can rise, but we are more _ living standards can rise, but we are more productive - living standards can rise, but - we are more productive economy. crosstalk — we are more productive economy. crosstalk-_ crosstalk. that is basically the case that _ crosstalk. that is basically the case that boris _ crosstalk. that is basically the case that boris johnson l crosstalk. that is basically l the case that boris johnson has the case that borisjohnson has been making all week, saying if wages go up we will be a high wage, much more prosperous country, high skill, high pay, it will be fine and actually there's been a lot of questions from economists and businesses over the last 72 hours or whether or not from an economic point of view that does not necessarily stack up and it's certainly a gamble. i mean you sound a bit like you are nervous about this. i sound a bit like you are nervous about this. i think that's true _ nervous about this. i think that's true in _ nervous about this. i think that's true in some - nervous about this. i think| that's true in some sectors nervous about this. i think - that's true in some sectors and some _ that's true in some sectors and some parts— that's true in some sectors and some parts of— that's true in some sectors and some parts of the _ that's true in some sectors and some parts of the economy - that's true in some sectors and some parts of the economy sol that's true in some sectors and i some parts of the economy so if you are — some parts of the economy so if you are a — some parts of the economy so if you are a food _ some parts of the economy so if you are a food processing - you are a food processing business _ you are a food processing business that— you are a food processing business that has - you are a food processing business that has been i you are a food processing - business that has been reliant on importing _ business that has been reliant on importing low—

business that has been reliant on importing low skilled, - on importing low skilled, tow-wage _ on importing low skilled, low—wage workers, - on importing low skilled, low—wage workers, say l on importing low skilled, - low—wage workers, say from eastern _ low—wage workers, say from eastern europe, _ low—wage workers, say from eastern europe, instead - low—wage workers, say from eastern europe, instead of. eastern europe, instead of investing _ eastern europe, instead of investing in _ eastern europe, instead of investing in that _ eastern europe, instead of| investing in that workforce, investing _ investing in that workforce, investing in _ investing in that workforce, investing in technology- investing in that workforce, investing in technology and | investing in technology and automation— investing in technology and automation to _ investing in technology and automation to make - investing in technology and automation to make the i investing in technology and - automation to make the business or product— automation to make the business or product if, _ automation to make the business or product if, then _ automation to make the business or product if, then the _ or product if, then the transition _ or product if, then the transition that- or product if, then the transition that we - or product if, then the transition that we are i or product if, then the i transition that we are in or product if, then the - transition that we are in at the — transition that we are in at the moment— transition that we are in at the moment in— transition that we are in at the moment in the - transition that we are in at i the moment in the economy transition that we are in at - the moment in the economy may be a _ the moment in the economy may be a good — the moment in the economy may be a good thing _ the moment in the economy may be a good thing because - the moment in the economy may be a good thing because that - be a good thing because that business _ be a good thing because that business may— be a good thing because that business may become - be a good thing because that business may become morei business may become more productive _ business may become more productive by— business may become more productive by investing - business may become more productive by investing in. business may become more| productive by investing in its future — productive by investing in its future and _ productive by investing in its future and the _ productive by investing in its future and the chancellor. productive by investing in itsi future and the chancellor has made — future and the chancellor has made available _ future and the chancellor has made available a _ future and the chancellor has made available a super- made available a super deduction— made available a super deduction to _ made available a super deduction to help - made available a super- deduction to help companies to invest— deduction to help companies to invest in— deduction to help companies to invest iniust _ deduction to help companies to invest in just what _ deduction to help companies to invest in just what sort - deduction to help companies to invest in just what sort of - invest in just what sort of technology _ invest in just what sort of technology-— invest in just what sort of. technology._ can invest in just what sort of - technology._ can i technology. crosstalk. can i -ush technology. crosstalk. can i ush ou technology. crosstalk. can i push you on — technology. crosstalk. can i push you on that _ technology. crosstalk. can i push you on that because - technology. crosstalk. can || push you on that because there is no automatic link between having lower immigration and having lower immigration and having more productivity. it sounds like a technical point but the prime minister keeps putting this forward as this new economic model and actually when you look at more productive countries they have often got similar levels of quite high immigration like the uk has and he is making the link and not necessarily the case. i link and not necessarily the case. ~' �* . link and not necessarily the case. ~ �* , ,., case. i think it's true in some arts of case. i think it's true in some parts of the _ case. i think it's true in some parts of the economy, - case. i think it's true in some parts of the economy, food i parts of the economy, food processing. _ parts of the economy, food processing, the _ parts of the economy, foodi processing, the construction sector— processing, the construction sector which— processing, the construction sector which could _ processing, the construction sector which could be -

processing, the construction- sector which could be embracing modern — sector which could be embracing modern methods— sector which could be embracing modern methods of— sector which could be embracingi modern methods of construction, instead _ modern methods of construction, instead of— modern methods of construction, instead of relying _ modern methods of construction, instead of relying on _ modern methods of construction, instead of relying on imported - instead of relying on imported labour — instead of relying on imported labour but _ instead of relying on imported labour. but it _ instead of relying on imported labour. but it will— instead of relying on imported labour. but it will not - instead of relying on imported labour. but it will not be - instead of relying on imported labour. but it will not be true | labour. but it will not be true across — labour. but it will not be true across the _ labour. but it will not be true across the whole _ labour. but it will not be true across the whole of— labour. but it will not be true across the whole of the - across the whole of the economy _ across the whole of the economy. the - across the whole of the economy. the way - across the whole of the economy. the way you| across the whole of the . economy. the way you do across the whole of the - economy. the way you do it sustainably— economy. the way you do it sustainably is _ economy. the way you do it sustainably is to _ economy. the way you do it sustainably is to increase i sustainably is to increase productivity _ sustainably is to increase productivity and - sustainably is to increase productivity and to - sustainably is to increase productivity and to do - sustainably is to increase . productivity and to do that, you — productivity and to do that, you need _ productivity and to do that, you need a _ productivity and to do that, you need a raft _ productivity and to do that, you need a raft of - productivity and to do that, you need a raft of pro— - you need a raft of pro— enterprise _ you need a raft of pro— enterprise economic. you need a raft of pro— - enterprise economic growth poticies _ enterprise economic growth policies and _ enterprise economic growth policies and we _ enterprise economic growth policies and we have - enterprise economic growth policies and we have many. enterprise economic growth i policies and we have many of those, — policies and we have many of those, is _ policies and we have many of those, is clearly _ policies and we have many of those, is clearly going - policies and we have many of those, is clearly going to - policies and we have many of those, is clearly going to be i policies and we have many of| those, is clearly going to be a bil those, is clearly going to be a big drive _ those, is clearly going to be a big drive now— those, is clearly going to be a big drive now on _ those, is clearly going to be a big drive now on skills - those, is clearly going to be a big drive now on skills and - big drive now on skills and education _ big drive now on skills and education. there - big drive now on skills and education. there is - big drive now on skills and education. there is an- big drive now on skills and - education. there is an increase in investment— education. there is an increase in investment in— in investment in infrastructure, i in investment in- infrastructure, including in investment in— infrastructure, including the basic— infrastructure, including the basic stuff— infrastructure, including the basic stuff that _ infrastructure, including the basic stuff that really - infrastructure, including the basic stuff that really drives| basic stuff that really drives productivity _ basic stuff that really drives productivity like _ basic stuff that really drives productivity like broadband | productivity like broadband orbitat _ productivity like broadband orbital local _ productivity like broadband orbital local roads - productivity like broadband orbital local roads or- productivity like broadband orbital local roads or bus . orbital local roads or bus services _ orbital local roads or bus services. when- orbital local roads or bus services. when i- orbital local roads or bus services. when i was- orbital local roads or bus services. when i was at. orbital local roads or bus . services. when i was at my former— services. when i was at my former department, - services. when i was at my former department, we - services. when i was at my. former department, we really tried — former department, we really tried to — former department, we really tried to increase _ former department, we really tried to increase the - former department, we really tried to increase the supply . former department, we reallyj tried to increase the supply of new— tried to increase the supply of new houses— tried to increase the supply of new houses because - tried to increase the supply of new houses because that's . tried to increase the supply of| new houses because that's the way of— new houses because that's the way of tackling _ new houses because that's the way of tackling the _ new houses because that's the way of tackling the cost - new houses because that's the way of tackling the cost of- way of tackling the cost of living _ way of tackling the cost of living and _ way of tackling the cost of living and helping - way of tackling the cost of. living and helping businesses to prosper— living and helping businesses to prosper with— living and helping businesses to prosper with a _ living and helping businesses to prosper with a simpler- to prosper with a simpler ptanning _ to prosper with a simpler planning system - to prosper with a simpler planning system so - to prosper with a simpler| planning system so those to prosper with a simpler- planning system so those are the sorts _ planning system so those are the sorts of— planning system so those are the sorts of policies - planning system so those are the sorts of policies that - planning system so those are the sorts of policies that are| the sorts of policies that are really — the sorts of policies that are really going _ the sorts of policies that are really going to _ the sorts of policies that are really going to make - the sorts of policies that are really going to make the - really going to make the difference. _ really going to make the difference. it— really going to make the difference. it will- really going to make the difference. it will not - really going to make the - difference. it will not happen immediately— difference. it will not happen immediately but _ difference. it will not happen immediately but it _ difference. it will not happen immediately but it will- difference. it will not happen immediately but it will starti immediately but it will start to feed _ immediately but it will start to feed through _ immediately but it will start to feed through in - immediately but it will start to feed through in the - immediately but it will start . to feed through in the months and years— to feed through in the months and years to _ to feed through in the months and years to come. _ to feed through in the months and years to come. i’m“ - and years to come. i'm struggling _ and years to come. i'm struggling but - and years to come. i'm struggling but you - and years to come. i'm struggling but you are l and years to come.“ struggling but you are still very loyal to the government so that's no surprise because you

were proud to serve on it and would have carried on have the prime minister asked you to but i wonder more broadly as we reflect on the conference season in the next few minutes, i wonder since you have left government are there particular things that now you are outside government you don't think they are getting right? i government you don't think they are getting right?— are getting right? i think the challenae are getting right? i think the challenge ahead _ are getting right? i think the challenge ahead as - are getting right? i think the challenge ahead as i - are getting right? i think the challenge ahead as i say - are getting right? i think the challenge ahead as i say will| challenge ahead as i say will be twofotd _ challenge ahead as i say will be twofold. the _ challenge ahead as i say will be twofold. the first - challenge ahead as i say will be twofold. the first thing . be twofold. the first thing will — be twofold. the first thing will be _ be twofold. the first thing will be laserlike _ be twofold. the first thing will be laserlike focus - be twofold. the first thing will be laserlike focus on. be twofold. the first thing| will be laserlike focus on a cost — will be laserlike focus on a cost of _ will be laserlike focus on a cost of living _ will be laserlike focus on a cost of living and - will be laserlike focus on a cost of living and we - will be laserlike focus on a . cost of living and we mustn't be complacent _ cost of living and we mustn't be complacent about - cost of living and we mustn't be complacent about that, l cost of living and we mustn't - be complacent about that, about inflation, — be complacent about that, about inflation, because _ be complacent about that, about inflation, because i— be complacent about that, about inflation, because i think- be complacent about that, about inflation, because i think the - inflation, because i think the economy— inflation, because i think the economy could _ inflation, because i think the economy could really - inflation, because i think the economy could really bite . inflation, because i think the economy could really bite us| inflation, because i think the i economy could really bite us if we don't — economy could really bite us if we don't tackle _ economy could really bite us if we don't tackle it. _ economy could really bite us if we don't tackle it. the - economy could really bite us if we don't tackle it. the second| we don't tackle it. the second thing — we don't tackle it. the second thing is — we don't tackle it. the second thing is delivering _ we don't tackle it. the second thing is delivering on - thing is delivering on tevetting _ thing is delivering on levelling up. - thing is delivering on levelling up. we've i thing is delivering on - levelling up. we've been an unusual— levelling up. we've been an unusual government - levelling up. we've been an. unusual government because levelling up. we've been an- unusual government because they came _ unusual government because they came in— unusual government because they came in and — unusual government because they came in and got— unusual government because they came in and got brexit _ unusual government because they came in and got brexit done - unusual government because they came in and got brexit done and i came in and got brexit done and then— came in and got brexit done and then we — came in and got brexit done and then we found _ came in and got brexit done and then we found ourselves - then we found ourselves immersed _ then we found ourselves immersed in— then we found ourselves immersed in the - then we found ourselves - immersed in the all—consuming nature — immersed in the all—consuming nature of— immersed in the all—consuming nature of the _ immersed in the all—consuming nature of the pandemic - immersed in the all—consuming nature of the pandemic but - immersed in the all—consuming. nature of the pandemic but now, we are _ nature of the pandemic but now, we are mid—term, _ nature of the pandemic but now, we are mid—term, we _ nature of the pandemic but now, we are mid—term, we have - nature of the pandemic but now, we are mid—term, we have to. we are mid—term, we have to deliver— we are mid—term, we have to deliver on— we are mid—term, we have to deliver on that _ we are mid—term, we have to deliver on that promise - we are mid—term, we have to deliver on that promise to - deliver on that promise to level— deliver on that promise to level up— deliver on that promise to level up att— deliver on that promise to level up all parts - deliver on that promise to level up all parts of- deliver on that promise to level up all parts of the i level up all parts of the country— level up all parts of the country and _ level up all parts of the country and i— level up all parts of the country and i think- level up all parts of the country and i think you | level up all parts of the - country and i think you heard more — country and i think you heard more about— country and i think you heard more about what _ country and i think you heard more about what it _ country and i think you heard more about what it means i country and i think you heard more about what it means atj more about what it means at this— more about what it means at this conference. _ more about what it means at this conference. it _ more about what it means at this conference. it means . this conference. it means better— this conference. it means better local _ this conference. it means better local like - this conference. it means better local like getting . this conference. it means - better local like getting more bears — better local like getting more bears and _ better local like getting more bears and powers _ better local like getting more bears and powers to - better local like getting more bears and powers to local - bears and powers to local

councils _ bears and powers to local councils and _ bears and powers to local councils and that - bears and powers to local councils and that means i councils and that means focusing _ councils and that means focusing on— councils and that means focusing on public- councils and that means . focusing on public services, health— focusing on public services, health and _ focusing on public services, health and equality - focusing on public services, health and equality and - focusing on public services, i health and equality and skills -- mayors _ health and equality and skills -- mayors— health and equality and skills -- mayors. that list of things caettin -- mayors. that list of things getting levelled _ -- mayors. that list of things getting levelled up _ -- mayors. that list of things getting levelled up is - -- mayors. that list of things getting levelled up is going . -- mayors. that list of things | getting levelled up is going to getting levelled up is going to get longer and longer every day. get longer and longer every da . . . get longer and longer every da . . , , . get longer and longer every da . , ., ., day. there has been a greater definition _ day. there has been a greater definition to _ day. there has been a greater definition to it _ day. there has been a greater definition to it but _ day. there has been a greater definition to it but i _ day. there has been a greater definition to it but i think - definition to it but i think now— definition to it but i think now that _ definition to it but i think now that is _ definition to it but i think now that is the _ definition to it but i think. now that is the fundamental chattenge~ _ now that is the fundamental challenge-— challenge. and housing presumably _ challenge. and housing presumably levelling i challenge. and housing | presumably levelling up challenge. and housing - presumably levelling up for a lot of — presumably levelling up for a lot of people is about getting onto— lot of people is about getting onto the property ladder and i know— onto the property ladder and i know you _ onto the property ladder and i know you were passionate in government about building more houses _ government about building more houses and we've seen bubbles within— houses and we've seen bubbles within conservative ranks about the numbers and the location of new houses. is there a danger that— new houses. is there a danger that the — new houses. is there a danger that the government sort of isn't — that the government sort of isn't as— that the government sort of isn't as committed to it as you think— isn't as committed to it as you think it — isn't as committed to it as you think it may be should be? i think it may be should be? hope it is think it may be should be? i hope it is not the case because i hope it is not the case because i don't — hope it is not the case because idon't think— hope it is not the case because i don't think the _ hope it is not the case because i don't think the government . i don't think the government will achieve _ idon't think the government will achieve its— i don't think the government will achieve its objectives - i don't think the government will achieve its objectives as| will achieve its objectives as a tax — will achieve its objectives as a tax housing _ will achieve its objectives as a tax housing seriously. - a tax housing seriously. housing _ a tax housing seriously. housing is _ a tax housing seriously. housing is a _ a tax housing seriously. housing is a huge - a tax housing seriously. | housing is a huge driver a tax housing seriously. i housing is a huge driver of a tax housing seriously. - housing is a huge driver of the cost _ housing is a huge driver of the cost of— housing is a huge driver of the cost of living. _ housing is a huge driver of the cost of living. young _ housing is a huge driver of the cost of living. young people i cost of living. young people are spending _ cost of living. young people are spending between- cost of living. young people are spending between 30 i cost of living. young people i are spending between 30 and cost of living. young people - are spending between 30 and 50% of their— are spending between 30 and 50% of their income _ are spending between 30 and 50% of their income on _ are spending between 30 and 50% of their income on rent— are spending between 30 and 50% of their income on rent so- are spending between 30 and 50% of their income on rent so you - of their income on rent so you really— of their income on rent so you really have _ of their income on rent so you really have to _ of their income on rent so you really have to increase - of their income on rent so you really have to increase the - really have to increase the supply— really have to increase the supply of— really have to increase the supply of homes _ really have to increase the supply of homes and - really have to increase the supply of homes and you i really have to increase the - supply of homes and you have to increase — supply of homes and you have to increase it — supply of homes and you have to increase it in _ supply of homes and you have to increase it in the _ supply of homes and you have to increase it in the places... - increase it in the places... crosstalk. _

increase it in the places... crosstalk.— increase it in the places... crosstalk. , ., _ , crosstalk. the planning system is the obvious _ crosstalk. the planning system is the obvious supply _ crosstalk. the planning system is the obvious supply side - is the obvious supply side reform _ is the obvious supply side reform that _ is the obvious supply side reform that is _ is the obvious supply side reform that is out - is the obvious supply side reform that is out there, i reform that is out there, successive _ reform that is out there, successive governments | reform that is out there, - successive governments have failed — successive governments have failed to _ successive governments have failed to tackle _ successive governments have failed to tackle it. _ successive governments have failed to tackle it. when - successive governments have failed to tackle it. when i - successive governments have| failed to tackle it. when i was in office. _ failed to tackle it. when i was in office. i_ failed to tackle it. when i was in office, i was— failed to tackle it. when i was in office, i was willing - failed to tackle it. when i was in office, i was willing to - failed to tackle it. when i was in office, i was willing to do . in office, i was willing to do that — in office, i was willing to do that it _ in office, i was willing to do that it was _ in office, i was willing to do that. it was difficult. - in office, i was willing to do that. it was difficult. it's . that. it was difficult. it's always— that. it was difficult. it's always contentious, - that. it was difficult. it's i always contentious, among that. it was difficult. it's - always contentious, among the most _ always contentious, among the most contentious _ always contentious, among the most contentious subjects. - always contentious, among the most contentious subjects. i. most contentious subjects. i think— most contentious subjects. i think the _ most contentious subjects. i think the government - most contentious subjects. i think the government would j think the government would regret— think the government would regret it. _ think the government would regret it, maybe _ think the government would regret it, maybe not- think the government would regret it, maybe not at- think the government would regret it, maybe not at the. regret it, maybe not at the next — regret it, maybe not at the next election _ regret it, maybe not at the next election but _ regret it, maybe not at the next election but if- regret it, maybe not at the next election but if we - regret it, maybe not at the next election but if we wasj regret it, maybe not at the - next election but if we was sat here _ next election but if we was sat here in— next election but if we was sat here in ten— next election but if we was sat here in ten or— next election but if we was sat here in ten or 15— next election but if we was sat here in ten or 15 years - next election but if we was sat here in ten or 15 years time, . here in ten or 15 years time, we would _ here in ten or 15 years time, we would regret _ here in ten or 15 years time, we would regret not - here in ten or 15 years time, we would regret not havingi we would regret not having tackled _ we would regret not having tackled housing. _ we would regret not having tackled housing.— we would regret not having i tackled housing.- do tackled housing. rostock. do ou tackled housing. rostock. do you think _ tackled housing. rostock. do you think with _ tackled housing. rostock. do you think with the _ tackled housing. rostock. do you think with the wobbling i tackled housing. rostock. do. you think with the wobbling on it they— you think with the wobbling on it they are being more cautious than _ it they are being more cautious than they— it they are being more cautious than they should be? we it they are being more cautious than they should be?- than they should be? we don't know et than they should be? we don't know yet is _ than they should be? we don't know yet is the _ than they should be? we don't know yet is the honest - than they should be? we don't know yet is the honest answer| know yet is the honest answer and michael— know yet is the honest answer and michael gove _ know yet is the honest answer and michael gove my- know yet is the honest answer| and michael gove my successor has considered _ and michael gove my successor has considered how— and michael gove my successor has considered how to - and michael gove my successor| has considered how to proceed, we have — has considered how to proceed, we have done _ has considered how to proceed, we have done in— has considered how to proceed, we have done in the _ has considered how to proceed, we have done in the last - has considered how to proceed, we have done in the last year. we have done in the last year or two— we have done in the last year or two some _ we have done in the last year or two some of— we have done in the last year or two some of the _ we have done in the last year or two some of the biggest . or two some of the biggest reforms _ or two some of the biggest reforms to— or two some of the biggest reforms to the _ or two some of the biggest reforms to the planning - or two some of the biggest - reforms to the planning system for the — reforms to the planning system for the past _ reforms to the planning system for the past ten _ reforms to the planning system for the past ten or— reforms to the planning system for the past ten or 20 _ reforms to the planning system for the past ten or 20 years, i for the past ten or 20 years, things— for the past ten or 20 years, things like _ for the past ten or 20 years, things like completely - things like completely reforming _ things like completely reforming the - things like completely reforming the use - things like completely. reforming the use class things like completely - reforming the use class orders so you — reforming the use class orders so you can _ reforming the use class orders so you can turn _ reforming the use class orders so you can turn a _ reforming the use class orders so you can turn a hairdresser. so you can turn a hairdresser into— so you can turn a hairdresser intoa— so you can turn a hairdresser into a cafe _ so you can turn a hairdresser into a cafe into _ so you can turn a hairdresser into a cafe into a _ so you can turn a hairdresser into a cafe into a home, - so you can turn a hairdresser. into a cafe into a home, unable people — into a cafe into a home, unable people to — into a cafe into a home, unable people to build _ into a cafe into a home, unable people to build upwards, - into a cafe into a home, unablel people to build upwards, enable people _ people to build upwards, enable people to — people to build upwards, enable people to demolish _ people to build upwards, enable people to demolish and - people to build upwards, enable people to demolish and rebuildi people to demolish and rebuild derelict — people to demolish and rebuild derelict properties, _ people to demolish and rebuild derelict properties, so- people to demolish and rebuild derelict properties, so we've . derelict properties, so we've done — derelict properties, so we've done some _ derelict properties, so we've done some big _ derelict properties, so we've done some big things- derelict properties, so we've done some big things in- derelict properties, so we've done some big things in the| done some big things in the last— done some big things in the last year— done some big things in the last year or— done some big things in the last year or two _ done some big things in the last year or two but - done some big things in the last year or two but we've . done some big things in the i

last year or two but we've also -ot last year or two but we've also got more _ last year or two but we've also got more proposals _ last year or two but we've also got more proposals and - last year or two but we've also got more proposals and the i got more proposals and the prime — got more proposals and the prime minister— got more proposals and the prime minister encourage l got more proposals and the - prime minister encourage those, his speech — prime minister encourage those, his speech at _ prime minister encourage those, his speech at the _ prime minister encourage those, his speech at the last _ his speech at the last conference _ his speech at the last conference was- his speech at the last| conference was build, his speech at the last - conference was build, build, build — conference was build, build, build a _ conference was build, build, build. a speech— conference was build, build, build. a speech about - conference was build, build, build. a speech about the i build. a speech about the central— build. a speech about the central importance - build. a speech about the central importance of- central importance of housebuilding - central importance of housebuilding to- central importance of- housebuilding to economic growth _ housebuilding to economic growth and _ housebuilding to economic growth and to _ housebuilding to economic growth and to helping - housebuilding to economic . growth and to helping people onto— growth and to helping people onto the _ growth and to helping people onto the housing _ growth and to helping people onto the housing ladder- growth and to helping people onto the housing ladder and. growth and to helping people i onto the housing ladder and of course — onto the housing ladder and of course i— onto the housing ladder and of course i am _ onto the housing ladder and of course i am a _ onto the housing ladder and of course i am a big _ onto the housing ladder and of course i am a big advocate - onto the housing ladder and of course i am a big advocate of. course i am a big advocate of that — course i am a big advocate of that it's _ course i am a big advocate of that. it's absolutely - course i am a big advocate of that. it's absolutely right - course i am a big advocate of that. it's absolutely right and i that. it's absolutely right and i hope — that. it's absolutely right and i hope we _ that. it's absolutely right and i hope we do _ that. it's absolutely right and i hope we do seize _ that. it's absolutely right and i hope we do seize this- i hope we do seize this opportunity— i hope we do seize this opportunity and - i hope we do seize this opportunity and not. i hope we do seize thisj opportunity and not let i hope we do seize this. opportunity and not let it i hope we do seize this- opportunity and not let it slip through— opportunity and not let it slip through our— opportunity and not let it slip through our fingers. - opportunity and not let it slip through our fingers. to- opportunity and not let it slip through our fingers.- through our fingers. to be precise. — through our fingers. to be precise, what _ through our fingers. to be precise, what is _ through our fingers. to be precise, what is the - through our fingers. to be| precise, what is the status through our fingers. to be i precise, what is the status of the big radical reforms to the planning system that you proposed last year? i've heard they have been paused orjumped or gone into reverse. what is happening?— happening? honestly i don't know, happening? honestly i don't know. we — happening? honestly i don't know, we will— happening? honestly i don't know, we will have - happening? honestly i don't know, we will have to - happening? honestly i don't know, we will have to wait i happening? honestly i don't. know, we will have to wait and see _ know, we will have to wait and see we — know, we will have to wait and see we did _ know, we will have to wait and see we did a _ know, we will have to wait and see. we did a lot _ know, we will have to wait and see. we did a lot of— see. we did a lot of those reforms _ see. we did a lot of those reforms over— see. we did a lot of those reforms over the - see. we did a lot of those reforms over the course i see. we did a lot of those| reforms over the course of see. we did a lot of those - reforms over the course of the last year— reforms over the course of the last year or— reforms over the course of the last year or sow _ reforms over the course of the last year or so. . ._ last year or so... crosstalk. they stopped _ last year or so... crosstalk. they stopped when _ last year or so... crosstalk. they stopped when you - last year or so... crosstalk. they stopped when you left i they stopped when you left office. _ they stopped when you left office, it is as simple as that _ office, it is as simple as that. ~ . office, it is as simple as that. , , that. we prepared the response to the white _ that. we prepared the response to the white paper _ that. we prepared the response to the white paper which - that. we prepared the response to the white paper which is - that. we prepared the response to the white paper which is the l to the white paper which is the next _ to the white paper which is the next set — to the white paper which is the next set of— to the white paper which is the next set of reforms _ to the white paper which is the next set of reforms and - to the white paper which is the next set of reforms and that i next set of reforms and that was — next set of reforms and that was ready— next set of reforms and that was ready to _ next set of reforms and that was ready to go. _ next set of reforms and that was ready to go. i— next set of reforms and that i was ready to go. i understand michael— was ready to go. i understand michael gove _ was ready to go. i understand michael gove is _ was ready to go. i understand michael gove is reading - was ready to go. i understand michael gove is reading that i michael gove is reading that and considering _ michael gove is reading that and considering what - michael gove is reading that and considering what he - michael gove is reading that l and considering what he wants to do— and considering what he wants to do and _ and considering what he wants to do and that's _ and considering what he wants to do and that's absolutely - to do and that's absolutely right, _ to do and that's absolutely right, it _ to do and that's absolutely right, it is _ to do and that's absolutely right, it is now— to do and that's absolutely right, it is now his - to do and that's absolutelyi right, it is now his decision how— right, it is now his decision how to _ right, it is now his decision how to proceed. _ right, it is now his decision how to proceed.— right, it is now his decision

how to proceed. hang on, hang on a minute- — how to proceed. hang on, hang on a minute. you _ how to proceed. hang on, hang on a minute. you out— how to proceed. hang on, hang on a minute. you out there - how to proceed. hang on, hang on a minute. you out there as i how to proceed. hang on, hang| on a minute. you out there as a cabinet minister, you did some pasting from people in your own party for quite a lot of powerful voices outside of government about the reforms that you wanted to press on, you are saying now that the government mustn't let this opportunity slip through their fingers. you must surely feel a bit sore about it, you are out there defending it, you got rid of the algorithm that was meant to be a part of it but there was controversial stuff that i think, i'm pretty sure you believed in at the time. and at the very least the government has pressed pause. i the very least the government has pressed pause.— has pressed pause. i am a reformer _ has pressed pause. i am a reformer by _ has pressed pause. i am a reformer by instinct. - has pressed pause. i am a reformer by instinct. i - has pressed pause. i am a - reformer by instinct. i believe that— reformer by instinct. i believe that going _ reformer by instinct. i believe that going to _ reformer by instinct. i believe that going to politics - reformer by instinct. i believe that going to politics to - that going to politics to achieve _ that going to politics to achieve things - that going to politics to achieve things and - that going to politics toi achieve things and your that going to politics to - achieve things and your time in government— achieve things and your time in government is_ achieve things and your time in government is always - achieve things and your time in government is always shorter i government is always shorter than — government is always shorter than you _ government is always shorter than you think _ government is always shorter than you think and _ government is always shorter than you think and you - government is always shorter| than you think and you should use it — than you think and you should use it to— than you think and you should use it to try— than you think and you should use it to try to _ than you think and you should use it to try to achieve - use it to try to achieve tasting _ use it to try to achieve lasting change - use it to try to achieve lasting change and - use it to try to achieve - lasting change and housing is one of— lasting change and housing is one of those _ lasting change and housing is one of those areas _ lasting change and housing is one of those areas where - lasting change and housing isi one of those areas where you can make _ one of those areas where you can make a _ one of those areas where you can make a huge _ one of those areas where you can make a huge difference l can make a huge difference helping _ can make a huge difference helping people _ can make a huge difference helping people onto - can make a huge difference helping people onto the - can make a huge difference - helping people onto the housing ladder. — helping people onto the housing ladder, reducing _ helping people onto the housing ladder, reducing the _ helping people onto the housing ladder, reducing the cost- helping people onto the housing ladder, reducing the cost of- ladder, reducing the cost of living, — ladder, reducing the cost of living, increasing _ ladder, reducing the cost of. living, increasing productivity and helping _ living, increasing productivity and helping small— living, increasing productivityl and helping small businesses. it cuts — and helping small businesses. it cuts across _ and helping small businesses. it cuts across all— and helping small businesses.

it cuts across all of— and helping small businesses. it cuts across all of the - it cuts across all of the government's- it cuts across all of the | government's priorities it cuts across all of the - government's priorities and so i strongly, _ government's priorities and so i strongly, strongly— government's priorities and so i strongly, strongly urge - government's priorities and so i strongly, strongly urge the l i strongly, strongly urge the prime — i strongly, strongly urge the prime minister— i strongly, strongly urge the prime minister to— i strongly, strongly urge the prime minister to stick- i strongly, strongly urge the prime minister to stick with| prime minister to stick with it. prime minister to stick with it of— prime minister to stick with it. of course _ prime minister to stick with it. of course there's - prime minister to stick with it. of course there's alwaysi it. of course there's always ways — it. of course there's always ways to _ it. of course there's always ways to refine _ it. of course there's always ways to refine and - it. of course there's always ways to refine and improve | ways to refine and improve proposals, _ ways to refine and improve proposals, listen _ ways to refine and improve proposals, listen to - ways to refine and improve i proposals, listen to people's perfectly— proposals, listen to people's perfectly legitimate - proposals, listen to people's. perfectly legitimate concerns, but don't _ perfectly legitimate concerns, but don't lose _ perfectly legitimate concerns, but don't lose heart _ perfectly legitimate concerns, but don't lose heart because ii but don't lose heart because i do think— but don't lose heart because i do think that _ but don't lose heart because i do think that it's _ but don't lose heart because i do think that it's something . do think that it's something that— do think that it's something that we _ do think that it's something that we will— do think that it's something that we will regret, - do think that it's something that we will regret, rather i that we will regret, rather like — that we will regret, rather like social— that we will regret, rather like social care _ that we will regret, rather like social care it's- that we will regret, rather like social care it's one . that we will regret, rather like social care it's one of| like social care it's one of those _ like social care it's one of those fundamental- like social care it's one of- those fundamental challenges facing — those fundamental challenges facing the _ those fundamental challenges facing the country _ those fundamental challenges facing the country and - those fundamental challenges facing the country and a - facing the country and a government— facing the country and a government equipped . facing the country and a i government equipped with facing the country and a - government equipped with an 80 strong _ government equipped with an 80 strong majority— government equipped with an 80 strong majority is _ government equipped with an 80 strong majority is an _ strong majority is an incredibly— strong majority is an incredibly fortunate i strong majority is an - incredibly fortunate position and should _ incredibly fortunate position and should be _ incredibly fortunate position and should be trying - incredibly fortunate position and should be trying to - incredibly fortunate position i and should be trying to tackle those — and should be trying to tackle those difficult _ and should be trying to tackle those difficult questions. - those difficult questions. politely. _ those difficult questions. politely, diplomatically, i those difficult questions. i politely, diplomatically, you are basically saying they've got to crack on with this. and not bottle it.— not bottle it. yes, that's my view. not bottle it. yes, that's my view- now _ not bottle it. yes, that's my view. now you _ not bottle it. yes, that's my view. now you are - not bottle it. yes, that's my view. now you are free - not bottle it. yes, that's my view. now you are free to l not bottle it. yes, that's my - view. now you are free to speak our view. now you are free to speak your mind _ view. now you are free to speak your mind and _ view. now you are free to speak your mind and tell— view. now you are free to speak your mind and tell us _ view. now you are free to speak your mind and tell us what - your mind and tell us what really goes on, did you witness an absolutely massive clock up at any point that you can tell us about what happened or is there anything that we have the wrong end of the stick about that sticks in your mind —— cock—up. that sticks in your mind -- cock-no—

that sticks in your mind -- cock-up. that sticks in your mind -- cock-u. �*, ., , ., cock-up. look, there's lots of cock-ops _ cock-up. look, there's lots of cock-ops in — cock-up. look, there's lots of cock-ups in government - cock-up. look, there's lots of cock-ups in government and l cock—ups in government and conspiracies _ cock—ups in government and conspiracies but _ cock—ups in government and conspiracies but i _ cock—ups in government and conspiracies but i think- cock—ups in government and conspiracies but i think you i conspiracies but i think you wiii— conspiracies but i think you will have _ conspiracies but i think you will have to _ conspiracies but i think you will have to wait _ conspiracies but i think you will have to wait for - conspiracies but i think you will have to wait for my- will have to wait for my memoirs _ will have to wait for my memoirs to— will have to wait for my memoirs to read - will have to wait for my memoirs to read that. i memoirs to read that. crosstalk. - memoirs to read that. crosstalk.— memoirs to read that. crosstalk. �* , ., , crosstalk. there's only three of us here! _ crosstalk. there's only three of us here! there's _ crosstalk. there's only three of us here! there's only - crosstalk. there's only three of us here! there's only three i of us here! there's only three of us here! there's only three of us here!— of us here! there's only three of us here! but did you keep a dia ? of us here! but did you keep a diary? are _ of us here! but did you keep a diary? are you _ of us here! but did you keep a diary? are you going - of us here! but did you keep a diary? are you going to - of us here! but did you keep a diary? are you going to writel diary? are you going to write memoirs?— memoirs? but the politician “oke. i memoirs? but the politician joke- i am _ memoirs? but the politician joke. i am only— memoirs? but the politician joke. i am only teasing. - joke. i am only teasing. definitely— joke. i am only teasing. definitely not. - joke. i am only teasing. definitely not. we - joke. i am only teasing. i definitely not. we would joke. i am only teasing. - definitely not. we would have you on if you wanted to plug it. ,, . , , you on if you wanted to plug it. shameless! shameless, shameless! _ it. shameless! shameless, shameless! if _ it. shameless! shameless, shameless! if it _ it. shameless! shameless, shameless! if it is only a i shameless! if it is only a sabbatical you will have plenty more chapters to write. robert, thank you so much for coming on. . �* , thank you so much for coming on. ., �*, ., , thank you so much for coming on. ., ., on. that's it for this addition of newscast. _ on. that's it for this addition of newscast. we _ on. that's it for this addition of newscast. we will - on. that's it for this addition of newscast. we will be - on. that's it for this addition j of newscast. we will be back with another one very soon and we are working on quite a special, unique television episode for next thursday night. stay tuned, as they say in proper showbiz. i. night. stay tuned, as they say in proper showbiz.— night. stay tuned, as they say in proper showbiz. i. so fancy. goodbye- _ in proper showbiz. i. so fancy. goodbye. newscast. _ in proper showbiz. i. so fancy. | goodbye. newscast. newscast. newscast _ goodbye. newscast. newscast. newscast. from _ goodbye. newscast. newscast. newscast. from the _ goodbye. newscast. newscast. newscast. from the bbc. -

hello again. thursday saw the arrival of some very warm air indeed across the uk, with temperaturesjumping by seven degrees celsius in places. many of us had quite a bit of cloud, but we had some sunshine — for example, in north wales in denbighshire and next door to this in flintshire — that was where the warmest place in the country was. 22 degrees celsius the top temperature. that is eight degrees celsius warmer than it should be at this time of the year — the october average is 14 degrees. now, we've had extensive cloud across the north—west for both scotland and northern ireland. here, a slow—moving weather front has been bringing rain through thursday. we've got more rain to come overnight into friday, friday night and into saturday as well for some across scotland and northern ireland because this front is barely budging. further southwards, well, we've got quite a bit of cloud reforming, some mist and fog patches turning quite dense. as well as that, there's a bit of drizzle around, so quite a murky start to the day for many in england

and wales with that mist and fog and low cloud slow to thin and break. but eventually, come the afternoon, we should start to get some brighter weather through. the exception — well, for northern ireland and scotland, there's more rain here, heaviest in argyll and highland, and we've got a very weak weather front moving into east anglia and south—east england. that willjust thicken the cloud up enough to bring occasional spots of light rain or drizzle as well. but otherwise, very mild again — temperatures running into the low 20s. now this weekend, this cold front will start to push its way southwards. it is a weak front. it will bring some fresher air in from the north and west with temperatures easing down a few degrees as we go through the weekend. now, saturday — again, mist and fog patches to start the day across england and wales but probably a better chance of seeing some sunshine through the afternoon. the rain in scotland and northern ireland actually starts to budge, so it should brighten up across the north—west of both later in the afternoon, but the rain heading into cumbria and northumberland. that same weather front is this stripe of cloud across east anglia and the south—east on sunday. might get an odd spit of rain but essentially,

a lot of dry weather on sunday, again with some sunny spells around, a few showers in northern scotland with strengthening winds here and the temperatures easing down — 14 or 15 degrees scotland and northern ireland, the far north of england, still 17—19 across england and wales. but it'll continue to get a little bit fresher — those temperatures coming back closer to average in the week ahead.

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