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maria ressa of the philippines, and russia's dmitry muratov. the nobel committee praised their efforts to safeguard freedom of expression, which it said was vital for democracy and lasting peace. the organisation for economic co—operation and development has announced a major overhaul of the global tax system. 136 countries have agreed a corporation tax rate of 15%. as many as 50 people are feared to have been killed in a bomb attack on a mosque in afghanistan. the islamic state group said it carried out the attack in kunduz city, which is used by shia worshippers. a court in israel has begun hearing arguments in the custody battle for a six—year—old boy, who was the sole survivor of a cable car crash in italy in may. at 10pm, reeta chakrabarti will be here with a full
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round—up of the days news. first, it's time for newscast. blue cassette by friendly fires. hello, newscast! i love having some walk—on music, i might do that every week, insist on it. i always wonder, when politicians do that thing of picking someone, have they actually spotted someone they know, or...? no, of course not. it'sjust, like, "hi!" just to be clear, though, we did get permission from friendly fires to use that song, unlike borisjohnson who used it as his walk—on music at the tory party conference in manchester this week, and the band said, we didn't approve it. which is actually, laura, a staple of conference coverage, isn't it? that basically happens every year. it's a classic move. politicians' team picks popular tune, plays popular tune, hip band says, "i don't like this politician," gets cross about it.
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a standard story. was itjohnny marr saying, david cameron, stop saying you like the smiths! ijust don't like him. laughs. yeah, standard. but if you're going to have music every week, what kind of vibe? what kind of thing? "roar" by katy perry. that's my warm—up, i play that in my head before every episode anyway, why do you think i'm so full of beans? right, more beans and less music on this edition of newscast. hello, it's adam, in the studio. and chris in the studio. and it's laura not in the studio. and we're joined by former housing and local government secretary robertjenrick, who is now sadly no longer in that job, but it does mean he's free to come on weirdly—timed tv programmes and podcasts. hello, good evening. welcome. i see that you're dressing down these days, we're used to seeing you in a suit. you're in a much more casual mood now.
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there's definitely some advantages to not having to get up at 5am - in the morning to do - the morning media round. i can now have a few more lie—ins from now on. - you mean you didn't enjoy that? laughter. bbc more than piers morgan. 0k, well, i suppose it's all relative, isn't it. i mean, how are you, since the prime minister kind of said he didn't require your services any more? i'm good. i'm treating it as an| enforced sabbatical. it's an opportunity to see my kids more and concentrate _ on the issues that i care about. so you think you'll be back? i don't know. politics is a winding road. this may be a detour, but who knows? how was the whole process? how exactly does it work, when the prime minister has sort of grim news to impart? um, well, it's a very- boris—like conversation,
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where there's a lot of, - "you're brilliant, you're a great friend, i enjoy working with you," but then you kind of know - where the conversation is heading. but we continue to be friends, - and who knows what the future holds? we should also talk about what's happening with people's bills, i there's been more dramatic news in the energy markets, _ which could have a knock—on effect to how much people pay. - there's no—one who's better at totting up what people pay than martin lewis, the money—saving expert. hello. hello, and so martin, you're about to record the martin lewis money show live just after you've spoken to us? lam indeed. i've switched this morning - the subject from bank switching and getting money back- from your bank to talk energy prices, because even though i did a show on it two weeks ago, - things have just got so much worse in the last two - weeks, it is shocking. bring up to date, martin. where are we right now? this is moving pretty quickly, isn't it? let's do a contrast.
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a month ago, the energy price cap, the default tariff that you move - onto when your fix ends or if you've never switched, was at £1,138 - per year for someone with typical bills. - now that price cap is {1.277 peryear, up 12%, 13%, - for people on prepay. but here's the real shocker. this is all on the back of wholesale 965 prices going up. _ which of course remember feed into electricity prices too, - because so much of the uk's. electricity is generated by gas. the price cap was £1,138 per year on typical bills, j it's now £1,277 per year. from the 1st of april next year, that price cap is based - on the wholesale ratesl from august to january. so we are in that assessment period and the current estimate is, - on the 1st of april, _ the price cap will rise to £1,660, a 30% rise in the price cap.
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that is monumental, _ it is destructive for most people's bills, it means year—on—year they will be shouldering, - even if you're on the price cap, a £4—500 odd rise. l i'm going to use a technical fiscal term here, which is, ouch. martin, from time to time, there are these spikes and then they go away, and from time to time there is a real kind of frenzy of concern about energy bill hikes, and then it seems to fade. but this kind of seems different. i mean, thisjust seems like these prices are on a sort of escalator that's whizzing up. can you give us some kind of context? you have studied this stuff for years, what does this moment feel to you? i've never — i mean, firstly, - i never thought i'd be in a position where my advice to people was to do nothing, because it will put - you on to the default tariff. that default tariff, - i've always said, i'm not the biggest fan of the price cap, i i've always said, it might be a fair tariff but it isn't a good tariff. you can save hundreds by switching.
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well, that's gone, you can't. my show tonight, the questions are flooding in, people - are saying, should i do this? i keep saying, do nothing. which i can't believe. but you have to look- at the maths of this now. remember, let'sjust talk- about the next april price cap. it's a 6—month assessment period, we're two months through that, i a third of the way through that. for prices not to rise heavily i in april, they would have to fall tomorrow to below the lowest that they were in the - middle of the pandemic. that's the scale. i because it is an average over six. months, so unless the government changes the metrics, - unless the metric is changed, we absolutely have cast—iron certainty that it's going up. in april and almost certainly by a lot. i and even if, you know, i everything were to change and wholesale gas prices were to come down to i a more reasonable level, - they were to halve next week, they'd still be going up - by 15—20% come next april, and they've already gone up 12%. there's nothing like this, and i do find — i don't normally defend energy
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companies, myjob is to look. after the consumer, - but i do find it somewhat... i have a wry smile when, - what the government has said is, "we won't support failed business models," about all the energy - companies that are failing, - when the price cap is effectively forcing them to sell energy at 30% below their cost. i i'm not sure you can say that's a failed business model. - yes, some of them should have hedged and hedged better, - but not all of them. and what it's going to do is, the government believes . in a competitive market in energy, | well, you're absolutely destroying | the competitive market. there may be less than ten providers left, all the old big monopoly- ones where we wanted - to try to break their monopoly. so if this is short—term, - what the government is doing at the moment is effectively destroying the market - for the long—term. i think that's a bit short—sighted. you mentioned the government, let's bring robert back in. reflect on what you just heard from martin, and what your constituents in newark are saying about this, with the prospect on bills shooting up? well, i think the biggest issue in the months ahead is going to be the cost of living,
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and how does the economy responds to the growing pains of reopening and recovering after the pandemic? and energy prices are clearly going to be one part of that. but inflationary pressures are going to be there on all sorts of things across the economy. the bank of england and others would lead us to believe this is going to be transitory and it'll work its way out of the system quite quickly. my sense is that it's going to be with us for longer than that. and it's going to be very challenging for all of us, but especially for people on low incomes, so this is going to be the big political question of at least the next six months, possibly the next year or more, and the government needs to be responding to this. do you think they're taking it seriously enough, robert? because when we sat down with borisjohnson this week he said, "i'm not worried about this, i'm not worried because it'll work its way through." do you think to some people that
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sounds like a bit of a tin ear? well, ithink it will work its way through. it's not unique to the uk, it's happening all over the world... yeah, but if you can't pay your bills, you're not really bothered about whether it's going to work its way through in six months. that's right. i do think this is going to be with us for at least six months, maybe significantly longer, and if you're seeing inflation of 2% or 3% or 5%, maybe even higher, small businesses that i speak to are saying that they're having to put up their prices very significantly. you know, everything is rising, from the cost of labour, materials, shipment, containerised products from the far east, for example, going up, hundreds and hundreds of per cent. i think this is going to be extremely challenging. we're going to have to be really alive to this. i do think that the prime minister understands that. what in practical terms, though, can or should the government do? well, i think there is a question for the bank of england as to what it does, and i think it's let inflation get a little bit out of control.
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so we will have to see how they choose to respond in the months ahead. but the government is going to have to be extremely focused on the day to day costs that it's imposing on people. the energy price of course which we have just been discussing is one, further taxes is another one, as a former local government secretary i'm aware the next tax question will be council tax, and that will be settled at the spending review in a couple of weeks. that'll be a significant extra cost for a lot of low income and middle income families. are you calling for a council tax freeze then, robert? i don't think that's realistic, because council tax has to pay for social care and a lot of other important public services, but i would be nervous if you saw it rising by, say, 5%. it's likely to be a three—year settlement and so that could be a 15% increase over the course of this parliament. that would make me concerned. robert, we've got a bit more time with you, but martin, i know you've got to dash in a sec
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to do your own show. before you go, i just want to ask you, do you think the government actually have a clue about how serious this is going to feel for people? no, i don't. i mean, hearing about the bank of england doing something, i i'm not sure what tools the bank of england have to deal- with a supply—side squeeze - in the way we've got right now. i think — how long it will be? look, listen to what i'm saying. the price cap went upj on the 1st of october, that price cap lasts six months. on the 1st of april it's going to go up again by a huge amount, - that lasts until the 1st of october next year. | on energy at least we know this is lasting a year, - guaranteed this is lasting a year. i think ending the universal credit uplift in the midst of a cost- of living crisis was a tin ear - and will leave us with a poverty problem like we haven't seen for the last few years. - i think that was a disastrous move. i think it was short—sighted. i'm not saying it should have necessarily lasted forever, .
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but this is not the time to end that. _ and i think the fact - there was not a mention of it in the prime minister's speech, ifor me, of course i focus on it| all the time, this week was a real struggle. i the talk on energy prices — - you know, just take the warm home discount, the £140 that those on guaranteed element - of pension credit and some on lower incomes get, - the plan is to increasel that to £150 next april. well, you know, the price cap goes up 12% now, - potentially 30% next april, - and they're increasing the help for vulnerable people - by £10 from £140 to £150. it's too little too late, l and we're going to have people in real poverty, - and food banks are going to get a hell of a lot busier and something needs to be done now. _ and i understand physical. and prudent responsibility, but that is a very difficult - argument for people to make, to make to people, when they can't put food in their kids' mouths. - martin, thanks very much. i will let you go and do your other show, because you're speaking to us
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from the set of it before it starts, very meta, very newscast. thanks for your time when you're so busy. cheers, good luck to you. robert, just picking up on that point martin was making at the end there about universal credit and the end of the uplift, given the timing, given what else is happening economically, was it a mistake? i don't think so, but i think it's a very hard decision seeing - what we're now seeing happening in the economy _ it was obviously a short—term i measure introduced for the right reasons at the height _ of the pandemic, and it had to be retired at some point. i think the question that martin is raising is, - is that the point, or should it have been extended longer. _ i think those arguments will always be made, i even if the chancellor decided to extend it by another - six months or a year, - it's very difficult in politics to take a benefit away from people. successive governments have felt that. _ | but not to do so would then make it very hard for any future government |to respond to a crisis of any level, |
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certainly one of the scale of covid, by introducing something like this, | because they would be aware that| it'd be almost impossible to ever withdraw it. - i so i think it was probably the righti decision, but we have now got to be very careful about how we load further costs on members- of the public in terms - of taxation and other things, and how we try to increase wages in a sustainable way. _ wages are rising, that's extremely good news, i but it's got to be sustainable. that's about productivity rather than simply increasing costs, . because that willjust flow through into the prices . that we all pay for goods i and services in the shops. now, looking back at your old department, you were talking about some of the things the government can control, because of course the government can't control the global price of gas. are there other tools that you think the government could deploy? maybe in other departments other than your old one? or do you think we're going to have to invent some new stuff to help people through this? well, the heart of the governmentj strategy is creating jobs and trying
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to ensure that real wages rise, and as i say, on both of thosel fronts, there's good news. we are creating a lot ofjobs, there's a huge number- of vacancies, over one million in the economy right now. - and wages are rising. we need to make sure that's - a sustainable increase and there's some evidence that it is in some sectors, others, it's not. - if you pay somebody £80,000 a year ito drive an hgv vehicle but there's. no innovation or increasing output i or productivity, then that is justl going to flow through into the cost of those goods in the shops, - and so in the long—term, that's not going to be helpful to anyone. - there's no such thing as a free lunch here. | do you think their wages should go back down then? i don't think we'll see that. i think it will happen in the longer term but the problem is that - obviously, people have been paid too llittle and the conditions were poor, i so younger people did not want to go into it. - if the current situation -
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encourages those businesses to treat their employees better, to provide better terms - and conditions to ensure that the service stations| and so on are more attractive then that's a good thing, _ but we shouldn't kid ourselves - into thinking that necessarily means that the country gets wealthier, |that living standards can rise, i that we are a more i productive economy. crosstalk. that is basically the case that borisjohnson has been making all week, saying if wages go up, we will be a high—wage, much more prosperous country, high—skill, high—pay, it will be fine and actually, there's been a lot of questions from economists and businesses over the last 72 hours on whether or not from an economic point of view that does not necessarily stack up and it's certainly a gamble. i mean, you sound a bit like you are nervous about this. i think that's true in some sectors and some parts of the economy, i so if you are a food processing business that has been reliant| on importing low—skilled,
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low—wage workers, say . from eastern europe, insteadl of investing in that workforce, investing in technology— and automation to make the business more productive, then the transition that we are in at the moment - in the economy may be a good thing because that business may becomel more productive by investing i in its future, and the chancellor has made available a super deduction i to help companies to invest injusti that sort of technology. can i push you on that because there is no automatic link between having lower immigration and having more productivity. it sounds like a technical point but the prime minister keeps putting this forward as this new economic model and actually, when you look at more productive countries, they have often got similar levels of quite high immigration like the uk has and he is making the link and not necessarily the case. i i think it's true in some parts . of the economy, food processing, the construction sector _ which could be embracing modern
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methods of construction, instead of relying on imported labour. i but it will not be true _ across the whole of the economy. the way you do it sustainably is to increase productivity - and to do that, you need a raft - of pro—enterprise economic growth policies and we have many of those, i is clearly going to be a big drive . now on skills and education. there is an increase _ in investment in infrastructure, including the basic stuff that really drives productivity- like broadband or with local roads or bus services. - when i was at my former department, we really tried to increase _ the supply of new houses - because that's the way of tackling the cost of living and helping - businesses to prosper with a simpler planning system so those are the sorts of policies l that are really going. to make the difference. it will not happen immediately but it will start to feed - through in the months and years to come. i i'm struggling, but you are still very loyal to the government so that's no surprise because you were proud to serve
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on it and would have carried on have the prime minister asked you to, but i wonder more broadly as we reflect on the conference season in the next few minutes, i wonder since you have left government, are there particular things that now you are outside government you don't think they are getting right? i think the challenge ahead, as i say, will be twofold. - the first thing will be laser—like focus on the cost of living — - and we mustn't be complacent about that, about inflation, . because i think the economy could really bite us - if we don't tackle it. the second thing is- delivering on levelling up. we've been an unusual government | because we came in and got brexit| . done and then we found ourselves . immersed in the all—consuming nature of the pandemic but now, _ we are mid—term, we have to deliver on that promise to level up - all parts of the country and i think you heard more about what it means at this conference. _ it means better local like getting| more mayors and powers to local councils and that means focusing
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on public services, health - and equality and skills. that list of things getting levelled up is going to get longer and longer every day. there has been a greater definition to it but i think now that is- the fundamental challenge. and housing, presumably levelling up for a lot of people is about getting onto the property ladder and i know you were passionate in government about building more houses and we've seen rumbles within conservative ranks about the numbers and the location of new houses. is there a danger that the government sort of isn't as committed to it as you think it may be should be? i hope it is not the case _ because i don't think the government will achieve its objectives - unless it takes housing seriously. housing is a huge driver of the cost of living. - young people are spending _ between 30% and 50% of their income on rent so you really have to increase the supply- of homes and you have - to increase it in the places... the planning system -
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is the obvious supply side reform that is out there. successive governments have failed to tackle it. _ when i was in office, i i was willing to do that. it was difficult. it's always contentious — _ among the most contentious subjects. i think the government would regret i it — maybe not at the next electionl i but if we was sat here in 10—15. years' time, we would regret not having tackled housing. do you think with the wobbling on it, they are being more cautious than they should be? we don't know yet is the honest answer and michael gove, - my successor, is considering how to proceed~ _ we have done, in the last year- or two, some of the biggest reforms to the planning system for the past ten or 20 years — things _ like completely reforming the use class orders so you can turn - a hairdresser into a cafe into a home, enabling l people to build upwards, - enabling people to demolish and rebuild derelict properties — so we've done some big things. in the last year or two, _
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but we've also got more proposals and the prime minister encourages those — his speech at the last - conference was build, build, build. a speech about the central. importance of housebuilding for economic growth and for helping people onto the housing _ ladder and, of course, - i am a big advocate of that. it's absolutely right and i hope - we do seize this opportunity and not let it slip through our fingers. to be precise, what is the status of the big radical reforms to the planning system that you proposed last year? i've heard they have been paused orjumped or gone into reverse. what is happening? honestly, i don't know. we will have to wait and see. we did a lot of those reforms over| the course of the last year or so... crosstalk. they stopped when you left office, it is as simple as that. we prepared the response - to the white paper which is the next set of reforms and that was ready to go _ i understand michael gove is reading that and considering what he wants i to do and that's absolutely right — it is now his decision _ how to proceed. hang on — hang on a minute.
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you, out there as a cabinet minister, you got some pasting from people in your own party and quite a lot of powerful voices outside of government about the reforms that you wanted to press on. you are saying now that the government mustn't let this opportunity slip through theirfingers. you must surely feel a bit sore about it. you are out there defending it, you got rid of the algorithm that was meant to be a part of it but there was controversial stuff that i think, i'm pretty sure you believed in at the time. and at the very least, the government has pressed pause. i am a reformer by instinct. i believe you go into politics- to achieve things, and your time in government is always shorter - than you think and you should use it i to try to achieve lasting change, | and housing is one of those areas where you can make a huge difference — helping people| onto the housing ladder, l reducing the cost of living, increasing productivity- and helping small businesses. it cuts across all of- the government's priorities
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and so i strongly, strongly urge i the prime minister to stick with it. of course, there's always ways l to refine and improve proposals, listen to people's perfectly legitimate concerns, - but don't lose heart because i do think that it's something - that we will regret. rather like social care, - it's one of those fundamental challenges facing the country and a government equipped. with an 80—strong majorityi is in an incredibly fortunate position and should be trying - to tackle those difficult questions. politely, diplomatically, you are basically saying they've got to crack on with this and not bottle it. yes, that's my view. now you are free to speak your mind and tell us what really goes on, did you witness an absolutely massive cock—up at any point that you can tell us about what happened, or is there anything that we have the wrong end of the stick about that sticks in your mind? look, there's lots of cock—ups . in government and conspiracies,
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but i think you will have to wait for my memoirs to read that. l there's only three of us here! but did you keep a diary? are you going to write memoirs? that's a politician joke. i am only teasing. definitely not. we would have you on if you wanted to plug it. shameless! shameless, shameless! if it is only a sabbatical, you will have plenty more chapters to write. robert, thank you so much for coming on. that's it for this addition of newscast. we'll be back with another one very soon and we are working on quite a special, unique television episode for next thursday night. "stay tuned," as they say in proper showbiz. bye. so fancy. goodbye. newscast. from the bbc.
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hello, again. it was another very mild day on friday with temperatures in the warmest spots reaching the low 20s. and although there was quite a bit of cloud for some, others saw the sunshine come through, for example, in scarborough in north yorkshire. and just down the coastline in bridlington, this was one of the places where we saw temperatures reach 2! celsius. that's 7 degrees above where temperatures should be at this stage of october. so it has been very mild. as i say, there has been some sunshine, northern east wales, northern england, the far north of scotland, otherwise it's been pretty cloudy. notice we're starting to see some breaks in the cloud in kent. that's behind a very weak cold front. this stripe of cloud you can see here, that's important, because behind that, the air turns cooler and fresher. it will tend to kill off the cloud across east anglia, across parts of the midlands and central southern england overnight, leaving a few mist and fog patches across southwest england, wales and northern england.
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outbreaks of rain turning heavier for northern ireland and into western scotland where we could see some areas of localised surface water flooding, particularly in parts of highland. now, through saturday, this weather front that's been with us for ages is starting to pull away from northern ireland and scotland, eventually through the afternoon bringing a bit of rain to the far north of northern england and north wales. most of england having much more in the way of sunshine compared with recent days. and the weather improving certainty across northern ireland and western scotland as well. so those changes are behind this cold front that's going to be pushing its way southeastward through the weekend. yes, the air will get fresher, but it will be much more in the way of sunshine for many on sunday. so a few showers for scotland across northern and western areas, maybe one or two for the north coasts of northern ireland. here is our cold front, very weak, just bringing a few patches of cloud, maybe an odd spit of rain across east anglia and southern england, but most of the day will be dry and bright. plenty of sunshine elsewhere. temperatures about 14—16 celsius quite widely, so still a little above average. now, monday sees a bit more
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rain move into northern and western scotland. could be quite heavy for a time as well. temperatures here getting close to average. it will be a bit cooler than it has been. highs of 12 in aberdeen, but otherwise temperatures a little above average, bright or sunny spells, highs between around 15—17 degrees. but in the week ahead, those temperatures will continue to get a bit closer to normal as we get toward the middle part of the week. that's your weather.
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with solutions in the face of soaring gas costs for businesses. the price cap that covers consumers doesn't apply to them and the head of uk steel says he's baffled the government isn't helping. i think we are headed to a very dark place if the government does not step in now like other countries in the rest of europe have already stepped in. with the government so far resisting the pressure to intervene, we'll be looking at the economic challenges facing businesses and consumers. also tonight, staff shortages at abattoirs are leading to �*a human disaster�* say farmers, as healthy pigs are having to be destroyed. at least 50 people are killed in a suicide bomb attack in a mosque in the afghan city of kunduz. the nobel peace prize for 2021 to...

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