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them and the people they between them and the people they serve and you will know a person who would be as worried as anybody about that potential outcome, sir david amess. , ~ that potential outcome, sir david amess. ,, ~ , a, that's it. on newsnight now — a special programme looking at today's events and the issues around mps�* safety. but now on bbc one, it's time for the news where you are. have a very good night.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the broadcaster, john stapleton and political editor of the sun on sunday, dave wooding. tomorrow's for pages today starting with the killing of sir david amess dominates every front page— with all of them carrying pictures of the mp with a broad smile. the times highlights his work in support of animal welfare. the daily star asks how it could happen again — only five years after the murder ofjo cox. the �*i' says the local community and politicians are in shock. the financial times reports that the killing has reignited the debate over politicians�* safety. the daily mirror points out he died serving the people.
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meanwhile, the daily telegraph highlights the home secretary ordering an urgent review of mps security. the daily mail says the killing comes just weeks after he gave away one of his four daughters. while the sun say police are investigating whether the suspect had terrorist motives. let's kick off. john, one of those days where there is no doubt about what the story is. there is no argument over how big it is news is. obviously, all of the papers have slightly different ways of treating it starting with the male. comparatives lead to a recent photograph of him and his daughter alex at her wedding. yes. photograph of him and his daughter alex at her wedding.— alex at her wedding. yes, i happily married man _ alex at her wedding. yes, i happily married man four— alex at her wedding. yes, i happily married man four daughters - alex at her wedding. yes, i happily married man four daughters and i alex at her wedding. yes, i happily married man four daughters and a | married man four daughters and a son, and i think his wife was a
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part—time caseworker as well, it's not known at this stage whether she was present in the church when this terrible incident took place. i've been watching the news to me or channel afternoon, quite frankly command msa i have been absolutely overwhelmed by the respect and love, have to say that's been expressed for this man, notjust from people in the streets, his constituents, but also his colleagues in the house of commons and former prime ministers, etc. he appears to be, i've never met him, but he appears to have a charming man who most people on both sides of the house, all political parties respected and actually admired for what he did. he had some strong political views, he was anti—abortion and pro— bragg said. that was probably driven by his catholic faith, but he also kind spirited. he campaigned on animal welfare, campaign for people who were suffering fuel poverty and other causes like that, which did for notjust his fellow colleagues but for those on the left and right
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of the house, and also to people in his constituency. he was come as one person said, quintessentially the constituency and be who cared about his community and particularly stop i don't want to talk more about the man, dave, you will have known him for a long time and your various incarnations at westminster, but picking up on the line of a terror police probe, suspected terrorist snake then ran into the church in a frenzied attack on at the end he was wounded 12 times dying at the scene. if it is a terrorist attack and we don't know that, there's nothing that says it is, it is just as the police have set committee passed it to counterterrorism and all the rest of it, get back gives them flexibility, subsequently they can be arrested and held him much longer on a terrorism legislation, but inevitably, when that kind of spectre is raised to make changes in some ways the nature of the debate, doesn't that? i some ways the nature of the debate, doesn't that?—
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doesn't that? i think the issue here is when something _ doesn't that? i think the issue here is when something like _ doesn't that? i think the issue here is when something like this - is when something like this happens, you have _ is when something like this happens, you have to— is when something like this happens, you have to wonder what can the possible — you have to wonder what can the possible motives be? and terrorism has to— possible motives be? and terrorism has to be _ possible motives be? and terrorism has to be a — possible motives be? and terrorism has to be a high motive because he has to be a high motive because he has a _ has to be a high motive because he has a politician. i mean, what's motive — has a politician. i mean, what's motive to— has a politician. i mean, what's motive to have anybody possibly have for walking _ motive to have anybody possibly have for walking into a church on in the npd's _ for walking into a church on in the npd's weekly surgery and stabbing him multiple times until he is dead. i him multiple times until he is dead. i mean. _ him multiple times until he is dead. i mean, there is no motive for that. no motive — i mean, there is no motive for that. no motive that could possibly be justifiable in any human brain. 50, you know. — justifiable in any human brain. 50, you know. it— justifiable in any human brain. 50, you know, it is obviously one that's -ot you know, it is obviously one that's got to— you know, it is obviously one that's got to be _ you know, it is obviously one that's got to be explored by the police whether— got to be explored by the police whether it is a terrorist motive or not _ whether it is a terrorist motive or not we — whether it is a terrorist motive or not we had _ whether it is a terrorist motive or not. we had the same with poorjoe when she _ not. we had the same with poorjoe when she was murdered five or six years— when she was murdered five or six years ago. — when she was murdered five or six years ago, and it is one that will clearly— years ago, and it is one that will cleariy be — years ago, and it is one that will clearly be at the forefront of the poiice's — clearly be at the forefront of the police's mind, yes, they are right to say— police's mind, yes, they are right to say that — police's mind, yes, they are right to say that they are keeping an open mind on— to say that they are keeping an open mind on this, but clearly they had to cali— mind on this, but clearly they had to call in— mind on this, but clearly they had to call in the terrorist police. this— to call in the terrorist police. this is— to call in the terrorist police. this is the _ to call in the terrorist police. this is the front page incident at
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the daily— this is the front page incident at the daily now, by the papers i've seen _ the daily now, by the papers i've seen so — the daily now, by the papers i've seen so far. _ the daily now, by the papers i've seen so far, that is the one which i think— seen so far, that is the one which i think has— seen so far, that is the one which i think has struck it all home to me more _ think has struck it all home to me more than anything else, you know, 'ust more than anything else, you know, just a _ more than anything else, you know, just a few— more than anything else, you know, just a few weeks ago, this father of five locked — just a few weeks ago, this father of five locked his young daughter down the aisle _ five locked his young daughter down the aisle and went well has been a gloriously— the aisle and went well has been a gloriously happy day with all of their— gloriously happy day with all of their family surrounding them, their children. _ their family surrounding them, their children. so— their family surrounding them, their children, so much love there among their famiiy. — children, so much love there among theirfamily, and at children, so much love there among their family, and at what has been a wonderfully happy day for them all. as you _ wonderfully happy day for them all. as you can — wonderfully happy day for them all. as you can see on the front of that picture _ as you can see on the front of that picture in — as you can see on the front of that picture in the daily mail commanded to parades— picture in the daily mail commanded to parades home to you what that family— to parades home to you what that family must be going through now. a newtywed _ family must be going through now. a newlywed pride, still glowing from after her— newlywed pride, still glowing from after her honeymoon to see her father— after her honeymoon to see her father killed in this way, and all that family turning from such joy to such painful grief. it really does bring _ such painful grief. it really does bring home the enormity of what has happened _ bring home the enormity of what has happened today. bring home the enormity of what has happened today-— bring home the enormity of what has happened today. david, you mentioned joe cox there — happened today. david, you mentioned joe cox there is — happened today. david, you mentioned joe cox there is an _ happened today. david, you mentioned joe cox there is an inside _ joe cox there is an inside photograph of her next to a large
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photograph of her next to a large photograph of her next to a large photograph of david amos on the front of the mirror, and it's picks up front of the mirror, and it's picks up on the phrase that was used by his catholic priest this evening in the service of thanksgiving where he died serving the people. she died serving the people as well. should the serving of people be such a risky profession —— are one. it’s risky profession -- are one. it's clear now _ risky profession -- are one. it's clear now that _ risky profession —— are one. it�*s clear now that mps are putting their lives at risk. we had another incident we had stephen thames, the farmer labour minister who was stabbed —— stephen timms. in 20 years ago now, he was attacked with a samurai sword, i think it was, and you know, not only have mps been threatened and we see it all the time, but their staff are being threatened to. so it's not a risk—free job. threatened to. so it's not a risk—freejob. so, yes, that is a big issue for all of them, and they are only doing their duty. this man was in his constituency. _ are only doing their duty. this man was in his constituency. he - are only doing their duty. this man was in his constituency. he was - are only doing their duty. this man | was in his constituency. he was not dealing _ was in his constituency. he was not dealing with brexit our big affairs
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upstate _ dealing with brexit our big affairs upstate or the budget. he was talking — upstate or the budget. he was talking to people who live in his community who are coming and complaining about perhaps not being on the _ complaining about perhaps not being on the housing list or a problem with their— on the housing list or a problem with their local gp or dental treatments, orthe with their local gp or dental treatments, or the roads having potholes. — treatments, or the roads having potholes, the day—to—day bread and trutter_ potholes, the day—to—day bread and butter issues which mps are paid to deal with. _ butter issues which mps are paid to deal with, and jo cox is exactly the same she — deal with, and jo cox is exactly the same. she was out there meeting her people _ same. she was out there meeting her people and _ same. she was out there meeting her people. and of course, if mps have to go— people. and of course, if mps have to go behind some kind of security screen, _ to go behind some kind of security screen, then thatjust ruins to go behind some kind of security screen, then that just ruins the whole — screen, then that just ruins the whole purpose of what democracy is about _ whole purpose of what democracy is about in _ whole purpose of what democracy is about. in the united kingdom, our mps are _ about. in the united kingdom, our mps are accessible by the people they serve, and that is right as it should _ they serve, and that is right as it should be — they serve, and that is right as it should be. this is an alarming development committee or member back in 1984. _ development committee or member back in 1984, when the brighton bomb went off, it _ in 1984, when the brighton bomb went off, it changed the whole the chair off, it changed the whole the chair of party _ off, it changed the whole the chair of party conferences, where people like journalists, like you and i, and of— like journalists, like you and i, and of course, members of the constituency party could walk into a bar and _ constituency party could walk into a bar and go— constituency party could walk into a bar and go and chat to a minister.
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that— bar and go and chat to a minister. that can't— bar and go and chat to a minister. that can't happen any more. there is a huge _ that can't happen any more. there is a huge security screen thrown around that, and _ a huge security screen thrown around that, and i_ a huge security screen thrown around that, and i fear that perhaps the way that— that, and i fear that perhaps the way that mps operate in their local communities may have to change after this. , , communities may have to change after this. ,, , this. this is i suppose committee serve the people, _ this. this is i suppose committee serve the people, how _ this. this is i suppose committee serve the people, how do - this. this is i suppose committee serve the people, how do you - this. this is i suppose committee i serve the people, how do you serve them more than by going face—to—face with them at their convenience on their doorstep. that with them at their convenience on their doorstep-— their doorstep. that is what democracy _ their doorstep. that is what democracy is _ their doorstep. that is what democracy is all _ their doorstep. that is what democracy is all about. - their doorstep. that is whatj democracy is all about. this their doorstep. that is what - democracy is all about. this has damage notjust this poorfamily, but damaging democracy is welcome and that is that mps are all about, they are there to represent our views and listen to our concerns. that is why they have these surgeries to listen to a people have got to say, and hopefully resolve the problems for them and if necessary raise issue in the house and get the lives changed her constitution changed. that's what it's all about. i was listening to jo cox's sister this afternoon, this has changed things dramatically. she said this has caused fear. she said
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she is frightened, that she is now, of course and of creston at the same constituency which jo cox represented until five years ago. she said that her partner had come home today and said to her i don't need to do this any more. the question is how do you resolve this? i don't think there is an easy answer. afterjo cox's stepped into several mps got advice from within the house about security, some of them i think had security people and their surgeries with them, some changed the format of that, so there was at least a desk between them in the present they were talking to. they had a door nearby to escape if necessary, but others refuse to do it, refused to do even that because they said that's not what we are all about. and i really don't know how you resolve this unless you have got a screen between nine and the people that they are talking to, or you have police marching outside their offices, surgeries and they are having these discussions, which is unrealistic, and let's not forget, you know, this poor man use to have his surgeries in the local tory party office but said, no, i want to go to the people, so that's why they had these meetings in this instance in the local church and other places
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like that where i presume there was next to no security, because he wanted to do hisjob properly and he wanted to do hisjob properly and he wanted to do hisjob properly and he wanted to be seen talking to the people. white necked anthony mentioned earlier this uncertainty about whether lady amess was there are not. they did have a kind of routine security measure which is the visitors were asked to give a name and address to this constituency staff at the door of the charge before they were allowed in and presumably this man had to do that, but it is a fairly obvious, you know, a fairly simple check, it's not really anything, the person who is going to do that is probably the present was not going to give you their real name and address, and anybody else gives their real name and address is probably not a threat. they said that we need to look at security and the stick of house at the same thing, and clearly they do. everyone needs to have a discussion about this, but possibly one of the things that they will suggest is that. they make sure that
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cimino, they know precisely who is coming into meetings, where they are from, what they are all about, they now address as, where they live and what they want to talk about because apparently some mps have been on the countryjust apparently some mps have been on the country just let anyone wander apparently some mps have been on the countryjust let anyone wander in, they don't even have to call before hand, they can just rock and address the np with their alleged concern. and as this poor man has pointed out, sir david, i think in his recent book, they do get people in those situations with mental health issues, and with all due respect without the sympathy in the world, thatis without the sympathy in the world, that is potentially a very dangerous situation, notjust for np, but the staff as well. it’s situation, not “ust for np, but the staff as wen.— staff as well. it's worth remembering - staff as well. it's worth remembering that - staff as well. it's worth remembering that the | staff as well. it's worth - remembering that the first staff as well. it's worth _ remembering that the first person to die in nice white neck situation was a constituency worker who was killed in an attack with a japanese sword on the night that david mentioned. i just want to pick up on the photograph of david amess. i don't know a photograph of him where he is
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and smiling command it's a big beaming smile, it's also him with dogs, animal welfare and payment the union frag —— union flag alexis wrapped around him, and if you wonder photograph that epitomised them, that would be it. and at least forjournalists, unlikejo cox it no disrespect her, she was quite a new np, my recollection from a sheet elected at that parliament, david amess is a very well—known figure. there is no shortage of material to illustrate and write about ten and feel quite lengthy obituaries. yes. feel quite lengthy obituaries. yes, he's been in _ feel quite lengthy obituaries. yes, he's been in house _ feel quite lengthy obituaries. yes, he's been in house since _ feel quite lengthy obituaries. is: he's been in house since1983, he he's been in house since 1983, he wanted that landslide victory of margaret thatcher which was before my time, you know, those first pictures of hand, i was looking at them today when he won and that landslide. he won by a very small margin, but it was only because of his personality, that big smile on the night — his personality, that big smile on the night wind over so many people
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over so— the night wind over so many people over so many years, and he is still in the _ over so many years, and he is still in the house — over so many years, and he is still in the house of commons now 38 years. _ in the house of commons now 38 years. he — in the house of commons now 38 years, he was still in the house of commons — years, he was still in the house of commons now 38 years on. a very popular— commons now 38 years on. a very popular man. i mean, it was one of those chaps— popular man. i mean, it was one of those chaps who you passed in the corridor— those chaps who you passed in the corridor and — those chaps who you passed in the corridor and he would always give you a _ corridor and he would always give you a big — corridor and he would always give you a big beaming smile and say good morning _ you a big beaming smile and say good morning or— you a big beaming smile and say good morning or say hello. always a pteasure — morning or say hello. always a pleasure to bump into, and that strange — pleasure to bump into, and that strange thing is, we talked about motives— strange thing is, we talked about motives before, you cannot think of a motive _ motives before, you cannot think of a motive for— motives before, you cannot think of a motive for doing this, but if he was, _ a motive for doing this, but if he was, for— a motive for doing this, but if he was, for instance, a former minister who had _ was, for instance, a former minister who had made some difficult decisions or if he was a controversial figure in the middle of one _ controversial figure in the middle of one of— controversial figure in the middle of one of these big debates like the war or— of one of these big debates like the war or brexit or something to me you can see _ war or brexit or something to me you can see why— war or brexit or something to me you can see why people would be angry about _ can see why people would be angry about ten, — can see why people would be angry about ten, you cannot think of anything — about ten, you cannot think of anything that the snp has done other than serve _ anything that the snp has done other than serve his community and to be a champion— than serve his community and to be a champion for— than serve his community and to be a champion for a south and down see. he was— champion for a south and down see. he was a _ champion for a south and down see. he was a great constituency np who 'ust he was a great constituency np who just did _ he was a great constituency np who just did nothing but dead. you may
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not agree _ just did nothing but dead. you may not agree with his politics but he was not — not agree with his politics but he was not a — not agree with his politics but he was not a controversial list by any stretch _ was not a controversial list by any stretch of— was not a controversial list by any stretch of the imagination. so it's difficult _ stretch of the imagination. so it's difficult to — stretch of the imagination. so it's difficult to know why anybody would target _ difficult to know why anybody would target ten. if he isn't safe, none of the _ target ten. if he isn't safe, none of the 650 — target ten. if he isn't safe, none of the 650 mp5 will be safe stop rather _ of the 650 mp5 will be safe stop rather think that fact may have occurred to them not least as we heard _ occurred to them not least as we heard from — occurred to them not least as we heard from john saying that misled peter's _ heard from john saying that misled peter's partner. ijust a heard from john saying that misled peter's partner. ijus_ peter's partner. i “ust a quote then the ft peter's partner. i “ust a quote then the tr story — peter's partner. ijust a quote then the ft story which _ peter's partner. ijust a quote then the ft story which focuses - peter's partner. ijust a quote then the ft story which focuses very - peter's partner. ijust a quote then i the ft story which focuses very much on np safety that says in that investigation set up afterjo cox was killed recalled dash recorded 678 crimes against mps including 46 cases of harassment and nine related to terrorism. on the a couple of weeks ago, the mp for north that ben was describing how she had been verbally harassed with some pretty crude sexual stop shouted at her when she was on the streets of her constituency town. i when she was on the streets of her constituency town.— constituency town. i don't know what's happened _ constituency town. i don't know what's happened to _ constituency town. i don't know what's happened to society, - constituency town. i don't know i what's happened to society, sean, constituency town. i don't know - what's happened to society, sean, it seems _ what's happened to society, sean, it seems to— what's happened to society, sean, it seems to have become acceptable to
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hatey _ seems to have become acceptable to hatey a _ seems to have become acceptable to hatey a bs _ seems to have become acceptable to haley a bs people for no apparent reason _

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