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a brazilian senate committee has recommend charging president bolsanaro for crimes against humanity — over his handling of the covid crisis. the pandemic has killed more than 600 thousand people in brazil. the uk health secretary has rejected calls to reintroduce covid sajid javid said infections might rise to a—hundred— thousand a day. rise to 100,000 a day. health leaders say the numbers are worrying and demand immediate action. russia is trying to combat a steep rise in the number of coronavirus cases by ordering people to go on one week's paid leave. the country earlier announced yet another record number of covid deaths. in a statement to the house of commons on wednesday evening, the uk home secretary has said the security threat level to mps is now deemed substantial. priti patel has urged her parliamentary colleagues to take the "change in risk seriously".
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are rachel cuncliffe, deputy 0nline editor at the new statesman, and joe twyman, co—founder and director of the public opinion consultancy deltapoll. welcome to both of you. lovely to have you with us again. let me bring you up—to—date with the headlines. the financial times�* headline — "act now or expect return to covid curbs this winter," warns the health secretary, sajid javid. the metro follows the story with a "call two arms", as millions are urged to get their boosterjab. in the telegraph, mrjavid tells the public to "play their part" to avoid fresh winter restrictions during christmas. the guardian leads with covid infection rates could hit a record 100,000 cases a day. and the i paper calls to wear masks indoors and meet
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outdoors to save christmas. let's plunge straight and. rachel, do you want to kick us off with the telegraph?— rachel, do you want to kick us off with the telegraph? yes, have your booster jab — with the telegraph? yes, have your boosterjab to _ with the telegraph? yes, have your boosterjab to save _ with the telegraph? yes, have your boosterjab to save christmas - with the telegraph? yes, have your boosterjab to save christmas was l boosterjab to save christmas was the message. it was kind of a mixed messaging or an awkward position for him to take, which is cases are rising, they could hit 100,000 a day. we're only midway through october, so we have to be 0ctober, so we have to be very careful and vigilant. but the government isn't going to implement plan bee. plan a was everyone getting theirjabs when called out. we plan b would involve mandatory masks indoors and possibly some form
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of vaccine passport. and also a return to the work from home guidance from the government, so health chiefs have been calling on the government, and the message from javid was very serious, but not seriously enough to do any of these things. interesting line for him to take.~ . things. interesting line for him to take. ~ ., ., .,~ ., things. interesting line for him to take. ~ . ., .,~ ., to take. what do you make of it? to have to cancel _ take. what do you make of it? to have to cancel one _ take. what do you make of it? to have to cancel one christmas - take. what do you make of it? to have to cancel one christmas is l have to cancel one christmas is unfortunate, to have to cancel two seems _ unfortunate, to have to cancel two seems careless. that's what the government desperately want to avoid~ _ government desperately want to avoid. with cases rising to nearly 50,000 — avoid. with cases rising to nearly 50,000 a — avoid. with cases rising to nearly 50,000 a day, they want to avoid a situation _ 50,000 a day, they want to avoid a situation where the nhs is overwhelmed and the virus gets out of control_ overwhelmed and the virus gets out of control again. the situation this time _ of control again. the situation this time is _ of control again. the situation this time is very— of control again. the situation this time is very different because the link between investment rates and deaths _ link between investment rates and deaths does appear to have been
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reduced — deaths does appear to have been reduced significantly. that means far fewer— reduced significantly. that means far fewer people are dying, though i they are _ far fewer people are dying, though i they are still dying. the question is, is _ they are still dying. the question is, is this— they are still dying. the question is, is this enough and is it moving fast enough? consistently, when you asked _ fast enough? consistently, when you asked the _ fast enough? consistently, when you asked the public, they have said that the — asked the public, they have said that the action the government has taken _ that the action the government has taken has _ that the action the government has taken has not been strong enough and has been _ taken has not been strong enough and has been introduced to late. i imagine — has been introduced to late. i imagine if— has been introduced to late. i imagine if the situation continues to deteriorate, the same judgment will be _ to deteriorate, the same judgment will be passed at this time around. but it— will be passed at this time around. but it wiii— will be passed at this time around. but it will all come down to those important — but it will all come down to those important days in december and whether— important days in december and whether we are once again locked down _ whether we are once again locked down are — whether we are once again locked down are not. i�*m whether we are once again locked down are not-— whether we are once again locked down are not. �* , ., down are not. i'm interested in what ou said down are not. i'm interested in what you said about _ down are not. i'm interested in what you said about the _ down are not. i'm interested in what you said about the public— down are not. i'm interested in what you said about the public saying - you said about the public saying that we have acid soon enough. there seems to be a paradox where the public to say we haven't acted soon enough, and then they complain when the government does act, about the government acting. but the government does act, about the government acting.— government acting. but in other cases, government acting. but in other cases. the _ government acting. but in other cases, the complaints _ government acting. but in other cases, the complaints are - government acting. but in other cases, the complaints are that l government acting. but in other i cases, the complaints are that not enough _ cases, the complaints are that not enough action has been taken rather than too _
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enough action has been taken rather than too many restrictions being in place _ than too many restrictions being in place that — than too many restrictions being in place. that doesn't mean that everyone _ place. that doesn't mean that everyone is on board. around two thirds _ everyone is on board. around two thirds of— everyone is on board. around two thirds of people support the principle of vaccine passport, but that still— principle of vaccine passport, but that still leaves a minority, a sizeabie _ that still leaves a minority, a sizeable number of people when you add them _ sizeable number of people when you add them all up, who can be very vocai— add them all up, who can be very vocal in _ add them all up, who can be very vocal in their opposition. similarly, boosterjabs and jabs for 12 to 15—year—olds are supported by nearly— 12 to 15—year—olds are supported by nearly two — 12 to 15—year—olds are supported by nearly two thirds of people, but it's by— nearly two thirds of people, but it's by no— nearly two thirds of people, but it's by no means overwhelming. so you do— it's by no means overwhelming. so you do have — it's by no means overwhelming. so you do have a division in british society— you do have a division in british society over whether we should move forward _ society over whether we should move forward or— society over whether we should move forward or not, and medical experts have said _ forward or not, and medical experts have said we should be moving now, the governments had not yet. really, they are _ the governments had not yet. really, they are both taking a pint in the government is hoping that by guarding against complacency with the first— guarding against complacency with the first covid press conference in five weeks. — the first covid press conference in five weeks, they will hope they can remind _ five weeks, they will hope they can remind people that it's not over yet. _ remind people that it's not over yet. we — remind people that it's not over
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yet, we aren't out of the woods, people _ yet, we aren't out of the woods, people should get their second jabs and wear— people should get their second jabs and wear masks if they can, and iet's_ and wear masks if they can, and let's hope — and wear masks if they can, and let's hope we can avoid a return or a change _ let's hope we can avoid a return or a change to— let's hope we can avoid a return or a change to plan b.— a change to plan b. rachel, the guardian- _ javid urges mps to lead by example. i don't know if he's been wearing a face mask. i did notice that the pictures that were released today of last night's dinner at windsor castle, there wasn't a mask insight. know, and those pictures from the house of commons as well, and he's crammed into the chamber. very few people wear a kate for which it was... it was a sort ofjoined up government message to not wear masks and show we had ourfreedoms. i get
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very nervous about the mask debate because i think it does have an impact as it can reduce transmission, but there are other things which are equally or argue more important like increasing distillations. and those booster jabs for teenagers, which i feel don't get talked about as much. it's very easy to signal what side of the coronavirus walls you're on with a mask, less so if you are trying to retrofit opening windows into your office block. the other issue is worth pointing out is a timing one, which is that the government obviously wants to act in time to save christmas. but it doesn't want to act too soon because from sunday, the uk is hosting cop26. it's aarti been delayed by one year, and all these world leaders are going to be
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coming to glasgow, and we are meant to be showing off our leaderless — — who leadership. if they impose restrictions now, that's going to dim the spotlight. my guess is that you might see restrictions coming inconveniently when that is over midway through november. will that be the right timing for them? that something the government will have front of mine. something the government will have front of mine-— front of mine. that's ending intriguing — front of mine. that's ending intriguing explanation. - front of mine. that's ending i intriguing explanation. maybe front of mine. that's ending - intriguing explanation. maybe it's nothing to do with politics at all. joe, about quarter past eight, we did this a discussion with scientist in all four parts of the uk, and whati in all four parts of the uk, and what i was struck with this question about the vaccinations, concerns and
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places like northern ireland that the take—up hasn't been big enough. some complaining the take—up boosters isn't fast enough in part because the government messaging is wrong. saying don't worry about covid, we've got to keep it, but we're basically over the worst. when we're basically over the worst. when we talked about face masks, someone from public health wales, said whatever the argument... it's a kind of symbol that we are reminded by the fact people are wearing face masks, that we still have a problem. ijust masks, that we still have a problem. i just wonder about these things about signalling and public reaction to that. that's what the government set up its node unit four. is it still nudging us? it set up its node unit four. is it still nudging us?— set up its node unit four. is it still nudging us? it is, but perhaps not the direction _ still nudging us? it is, but perhaps not the direction we _ still nudging us? it is, but perhaps not the direction we might - still nudging us? it is, but perhaps
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not the direction we might expect. j not the direction we might expect. all the _ not the direction we might expect. all the briefing we've seen about getting _ all the briefing we've seen about getting back to the office and how people _ getting back to the office and how people should be returning to work. that is _ people should be returning to work. that is intended to firstly rehydrate some parts of the economy that have _ rehydrate some parts of the economy that have really suffered during covid. — that have really suffered during covid, but it's also intended to send _ covid, but it's also intended to send us — covid, but it's also intended to send us and will — — send us and know— send us and will — — send us and know that — send us and will — — send us and know that redness is — — britain is back— know that redness is — — britain is back to business. wearing masks is important. — back to business. wearing masks is important, and there may be other ways— important, and there may be other ways and _ important, and there may be other ways and better ways of dealing with infection. _ ways and better ways of dealing with infection, but they do help, and there _ infection, but they do help, and there is— infection, but they do help, and there is overwhelming evidence to show— there is overwhelming evidence to show that— there is overwhelming evidence to show that they help. and it emphasises that this is still an ever_ emphasises that this is still an ever present concern, and people remain— ever present concern, and people remain concerned, two thirds of people — remain concerned, two thirds of people remain concerned about coronavirus, but young people disproportionately are more relaxed about— disproportionately are more relaxed about it _ disproportionately are more relaxed about it. they're less likely to be
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vaccinated — about it. they're less likely to be vaccinated. perhaps all of these things— vaccinated. perhaps all of these things combined can help to reinforce the idea that we really are not— reinforce the idea that we really are not out of the woods yet, and that it _ are not out of the woods yet, and that it will — are not out of the woods yet, and that it will be a messy and sometimes difficult road ahead. although we are moving in the right direction. _ although we are moving in the right direction, it's still a long journey _ direction, it's still a long journey-— direction, it's still a long “ourne . . ~ ., journey. talking about the nudge unit, journey. talking about the nudge unit. there's _ journey. talking about the nudge unit, there's an _ journey. talking about the nudge unit, there's an intriguing - journey. talking about the nudge unit, there's an intriguing insightj unit, there's an intriguing insight into some of its policies. meet the attacks on the table to encourage sustainable eating. yes. encourage sustainable eating. yes, this was published _ encourage sustainable eating. yes, this was published on _ encourage sustainable eating. yes, this was published on the government website. _ this was published on the government website, then swiftly unpublished. it is presented as a research paper rather— it is presented as a research paper rather than — it is presented as a research paper rather than official government policy. — rather than official government policy, and one thing they talk about— policy, and one thing they talk about is— policy, and one thing they talk about is at some form of tax on high carbon meet — about is at some form of tax on high carbon meet. to ensure that more is done _ carbon meet. to ensure that more is done to— carbon meet. to ensure that more is done to address the impact that meat
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eating _ done to address the impact that meat eating has _ done to address the impact that meat eating has on carbon emissions. at the same _ eating has on carbon emissions. at the same time, it also talks about things— the same time, it also talks about things like — the same time, it also talks about things like flights being increased and the _ things like flights being increased and the idea that business flights shouid _ and the idea that business flights should be seen as not acceptable any more. _ should be seen as not acceptable any more, particularly in the area of video— more, particularly in the area of video conferencing. and it's all about— video conferencing. and it's all about these ideas of changes that we need to— about these ideas of changes that we need to make, but it wasn't withdrawn — — was withdrawn and has been _ withdrawn — — was withdrawn and has been rejected as government policy. it been rejected as government policy. it will— been rejected as government policy. it will be _ been rejected as government policy. it will be interesting to see how the response to those policies are interpreted by the government, and then whether they are taken forward. ithink— then whether they are taken forward. i think particularly, the idea encouraging people eat less processed food, particularly around cheap _ processed food, particularly around cheap meat for instance, is perhaps a very— cheap meat for instance, is perhaps a very sensible idea, but selling
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that to — a very sensible idea, but selling that to the public is far from straightforward.— that to the public is far from straightforward. that to the public is far from strairhtforward. .. ., ., , ., straightforward. rachel, what do you make of this — straightforward. rachel, what do you make of this story? _ straightforward. rachel, what do you make of this story? i _ straightforward. rachel, what do you make of this story? i think _ straightforward. rachel, what do you make of this story? i think the - straightforward. rachel, what do you make of this story? i think the fact . make of this story? i think the fact that they put _ make of this story? i think the fact that they put it _ make of this story? i think the fact that they put it on _ make of this story? i think the fact that they put it on the _ make of this story? i think the fact that they put it on the website and j that they put it on the website and took it off immediately told you everything you need to know about some of the internal battles going on within downing street and whitehall. look, the suggestions made in that paper were mostly quite reasonable in terms of suggestion on way to encourage... the problem that the government has is that any kind of additional... is going to hit the lowest income artist. we're already facing a cost—of—living crisis with energy bills shooting up, with shortages potentially, with new taxes coming in. the government decided to increase inference — — insurance and people coming off her
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window. — — furlough. the government may have to rethink. with all of those factors which are really squeezing the very, very poorest in society the most, to then think about introducing a tax on food when many people can't afford the more expensive, highly processed plant —based alternatives, that's not a fight i think the government wants to have at this moment. it’s to have at this moment. it's difficult because _ to have at this moment. it's difficult because it's trying to get a message of how important this is and how important changes, but it doesn't want to find the horses. exactly. and i think there are ways to try and encourage a change in behaviour and diet. it's quite a blunt way of doing that and a lot of
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the conservative backbenchers who are serious about this, i think we have an issue with that one, even if the reasoning is very sound. the metro, a photograph of the queen looking in the course of health. this is to cancel a planned visit due to health reasons, and all kinds of speculation that i will go into. she's 95 and it's ok for her to slow down. but i think this combined with the story is the one a few days ago
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