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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are rachel shabi who's an author and journalist. and katy balls who's deputy political editor at the spectator. more from them in a moment, first the front pages starting with the telegraph looks ahead to the chancellor's annual budget announcement on wednesday, reporting that 5 million public sector workers are to receive a pay rise. the metro accuses borisjohnson of "trashing" recycling ahead
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of the cop26 climate conference, after he referred to it as a "red herring". the independent also leads on cop26, and says that a one hundred billion pound pledge to help poorer nations tackle climate change, has been pushed back to 2023. the ft is reporting that the uk's three spy agencies have contracted amazon's cloud computing arm to host top secret intelligence files. the i has an exclusive with a former top adviser, who warns the chancellor of a "lack of cash for schools" ahead of wednesday's budget announcement. and finally the sun says popular netflix series the crown will dramatise martin bashir�*s disgraced bbc panorama interview with princess diana. that evening to both of you. rachel, katie, thank you forjoining us. we will go to the daily telegraph. the pay rise for 5,000,000 public—sector
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workers. talk us through this one. that's right. after a decade of conservative imposed wage for the public sector, this has now been reported that ahead of wednesday's budget that the chancellor will scrap that. that will obviously affect millions of public—sector workers such as police, teachers, civil service commission on top of we are also looking at an increase in the minimum wage going up to £9 60 an hour, sorry, £9 50 an hour, thatis 60 an hour, sorry, £9 50 an hour, that is for people over 23. now, this has already been criticised as a kind of sleight—of—hand smoke and mirrors policy. when you factor in the cuts to universal credits, the rise in national insurance, the rise in the cost of living and inflation, it is not actually going to be making much of a difference to people's pay cheques week to week, and it is not going to really
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address the very real crisis that people are facing in terms of making ends meet from month to month. katie, what is your take on this, that they must represent all workers, including many who are burnt out during the pandemic. i burnt out during the pandemic. i think there are couple of ways of looking _ think there are couple of ways of looking at— think there are couple of ways of looking at it, as rachel touches on committees at this big gesture that will be _ committees at this big gesture that will be truly transformative? i think— will be truly transformative? i think if— will be truly transformative? i think if we factor in the cost of living — think if we factor in the cost of living crisis and expected to get worse _ living crisis and expected to get worse means it will have limited impact — worse means it will have limited impact is — worse means it will have limited impact. is it still the right step? yes, _ impact. is it still the right step? yes. in — impact. is it still the right step? yes, in essence that when you look at them _ yes, in essence that when you look at them in — yes, in essence that when you look at them in the public sector pay freeze — at them in the public sector pay freeze brought in and last year in terms _ freeze brought in and last year in terms of— freeze brought in and last year in terms of the pandemic, that was because — terms of the pandemic, that was because ultimately the chancellor was talking about private—sector pain public sector pay with a concern _ pain public sector pay with a concern that lots of people faced uncertainty in the private sector, furlough, — uncertainty in the private sector, furlough, potentially redundancy, so you need _ furlough, potentially redundancy, so you need to keep the two in check. now where — you need to keep the two in check. now where we are seeing private seclor— now where we are seeing private sector pay— now where we are seeing private sector pay rises, sol now where we are seeing private sector pay rises, so i think it's
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now— sector pay rises, so i think it's now the — sector pay rises, so i think it's now the right time to make sure the public— now the right time to make sure the public sector pay is held back a bit as private — public sector pay is held back a bit as private sector pay prospers to a degree. — as private sector pay prospers to a degree. so _ as private sector pay prospers to a degree. so i think that as a justification for it. i think the separate _ justification for it. i think the separate issue is, of course, have -- how— separate issue is, of course, have —— how substantial of a move as ed? ithink— —— how substantial of a move as ed? ilhink it's _ —— how substantial of a move as ed? i think it's remedying something rather— i think it's remedying something rather than moving things drastically.— rather than moving things drastically. this story, this element — drastically. this story, this element of _ drastically. this story, this element of the _ drastically. this story, this element of the budget - drastically. this story, this - element of the budget dominating drastically. this story, this _ element of the budget dominating to my�*s papers. if we turn to the guardian, i made cost of living crisis, public sector pay freeze. what is their take on this? site, which paper— what is their take on this? site, which paper are _ what is their take on this? site, which paper are you _ what is their take on this? 6 ite: which paper are you referring what is their take on this? s ite: which paper are you referring to? the guardian, sunak to scrap public sector pay freeze and made cost of living crisis. sector pay freeze and made cost of living crisis-— living crisis. they have been reporting — living crisis. they have been reporting over _ living crisis. they have been reporting over the _ living crisis. they have been reporting over the past - living crisis. they have been reporting over the past fewl living crisis. they have been - reporting over the past few days that, you know, there are criticisms over this. of grace, that, you know, there are criticisms overthis. of grace, every that, you know, there are criticisms over this. of grace, every time there is and the announcement of the end of the pay freeze or an increase to the national minimum wage, that is to be welcomed, but we do need to
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look at the context. we are looking at the same government to camino, imposed a decade of cuts, including a freeze to public sector pay. and it does seem to be sort of tinkering around with the edges now in terms of what it is putting on the table. now, we are looking at a workforce that has been squeezed for some time, even before the pandemic, and of course, now it is even worse. so you want to look at what the government will do notjust you want to look at what the government will do not just to address people's cost of living crisis, and the fact that so many people are worried about how to make ends meet, but also look at the quality of the work, so do we have enough people able to find full employment to want to? what are the employment to want to? what are the employment conditions that those people are in? what is happening with the zero—hour contracts? what is happening with job security? with the zero—hour contracts? what is happening withjob security? we are seeing a spike in union activity since the pandemic because of
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precisely on those terms, precisely because end has come under the hammer during the pandemic, big companies have used it as an excuse to drive through worse conditions for people. so i think that is something that we need to look at in the rounds, and that is not something that we see this government doing. just something that we see this government doing. something that we see this covernment doin-., , , a , ., government doing. just picking up on what ou government doing. just picking up on what you are — government doing. just picking up on what you are talking _ government doing. just picking up on what you are talking about _ government doing. just picking up on what you are talking about there, - what you are talking about there, rachel, with you kt in the guardian, the tc general secretary quote from him. this increase would come into effect until spring by which time many household budgets with has been hammered. , . ~ many household budgets with has been hammered. , . ,, ., hammered. yes, and i think there are lots of questions _ hammered. yes, and i think there are lots of questions and _ hammered. yes, and i think there are lots of questions and comments - hammered. yes, and i think there are lots of questions and comments to . lots of questions and comments to the cost _ lots of questions and comments to the cost of— lots of questions and comments to the cost of living crisis. i think none — the cost of living crisis. i think none of— the cost of living crisis. i think none of the measures that we are currently— none of the measures that we are currently discussing rather than the rise to _ currently discussing rather than the rise to the — currently discussing rather than the rise to the living wage or the end of the _ rise to the living wage or the end of the paper is well mean that people — of the paper is well mean that people don't feel the pinch when it comes— people don't feel the pinch when it comes to _ people don't feel the pinch when it comes to the cost of living, because it is down— comes to the cost of living, because it is down to — comes to the cost of living, because it is down to so many factors. i think— it is down to so many factors. i think that _ it is down to so many factors. i think that when it comes to what the
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government is doing here, getting public— government is doing here, getting public sector pay freeze is going to have to _ public sector pay freeze is going to have to come to an end politically because _ have to come to an end politically because ultimately, we keep hearing bryce johnson and rishi sunak talking — bryce johnson and rishi sunak talking about moving to a higher wage _ talking about moving to a higher wage economy and how they want to make _ wage economy and how they want to make sure _ wage economy and how they want to make sure workers on high wages —— workers _ make sure workers on high wages —— workers are — make sure workers on high wages —— workers are on high wages. i think when _ workers are on high wages. i think when you — workers are on high wages. i think when you are asking businesses to raise _ when you are asking businesses to raise their— when you are asking businesses to raise their wages, and there are professions where there is a shortage, it was very strange optics also be _ shortage, it was very strange optics also be saying if you are public sector— also be saying if you are public sector worker, you are not in line for an— sector worker, you are not in line for an increase in your salary. sol think— for an increase in your salary. sol think we _ for an increase in your salary. sol think we do— for an increase in your salary. sol think we do there, but i don't think anything _ think we do there, but i don't think anything that we are hearing is really— anything that we are hearing is really going to stop this cost of living _ really going to stop this cost of living crisis. i think for example, a living _ living crisis. i think for example, a living wage, if you where at the estimate — a living wage, if you where at the estimate of £1000 to the annual earnings. — estimate of £1000 to the annual earnings, well, ithink estimate of £1000 to the annual earnings, well, i think you look at the various— earnings, well, i think you look at the various costs affected by the universal— the various costs affected by the universal credit uplift, lots of things— universal credit uplift, lots of things like that from you not going to get— things like that from you not going to get that different based on the circumstances stop the timing of
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this and — circumstances stop the timing of this and trying to implement this given— this and trying to implement this given the — this and trying to implement this given the context of the pandemic and the _ given the context of the pandemic and the economy, i mean, how easy is it to and the economy, i mean, how easy is i! ., ., and the economy, i mean, how easy is |. ., ., well, and the economy, i mean, how easy is it— well. now _ and the economy, i mean, how easy is it— well. now is _ and the economy, i mean, how easy is i_ well, now is the - and the economy, i mean, how easy is i_ well, now is the time - it to do this? well, now is the time to do it, and _ it to do this? well, now is the time to do it, and that _ it to do this? well, now is the time to do it, and that is _ it to do this? well, now is the time to do it, and that is the _ it to do this? well, now is the time to do it, and that is the thing - it to do this? well, now is the time to do it, and that is the thing that i to do it, and that is the thing that this government doesn't seem to be embracing. it is actually out of kilter with a lot of governments around the world. see you look at, for instance, joe biden in the us, who is, you know, someone who he described himself as a matter introducing a huge economic stimulus package, orat least introducing a huge economic stimulus package, or at least trying to get that through in the last weeks through congress. now, that is because biden has grasped the urgency of the situation, the fact that it urgency of the situation, the fact thatitis urgency of the situation, the fact that it is not sustainable for people to be living in these conditions, but also that i need to grapple with huge issues like the climate emergency that we are now in. and these things require big systems changes rather than just playing around on the edges and throwing people a few crimes that actually day today won't make that
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much difference. and that is something that this government doesn't really have a handle on, and in a sense it's out of kilter with lot of other leading western countries at the moment. katy, do ou auree countries at the moment. katy, do you agree with _ countries at the moment. katy, do you agree with some _ countries at the moment. katy, do you agree with some of _ countries at the moment. katy, do you agree with some of what - countries at the moment. katy, do. you agree with some of what rachel is saying they are? if you agree with some of what rachel is saying they are?— is saying they are? if you compare to joe is saying they are? if you compare to joe biden _ is saying they are? if you compare to joe biden and _ is saying they are? if you compare to joe biden and what _ is saying they are? if you compare to joe biden and what the - is saying they are? if you compare to joe biden and what the us - tojoe biden and what the us president is doing, i don't think the uk — president is doing, i don't think the uk is — president is doing, i don't think the uk is anywhere near as big a vision _ the uk is anywhere near as big a vision are — the uk is anywhere near as big a vision are generous in that sense, i think— vision are generous in that sense, i think rishi — vision are generous in that sense, i think rishi sunak is incredibly worried — think rishi sunak is incredibly worried about inflation, so he doesn't — worried about inflation, so he doesn't feel able to take the track thatjoe _ doesn't feel able to take the track thatjoe biden is. at the time is going _ thatjoe biden is. at the time is going to — thatjoe biden is. at the time is going to tell who is correct on this also— going to tell who is correct on this. also pending the outcome if you look— this. also pending the outcome if you look at— this. also pending the outcome if you look at that, had it operated on a tletter— you look at that, had it operated on a better position to inflation then our economy, then i think the chancellor— our economy, then i think the chancellor has been whining about that inflation, it means higher rates, — that inflation, it means higher rates, it— that inflation, it means higher rates, it means you have to pay more to serve _ rates, it means you have to pay more to serve the _ rates, it means you have to pay more to serve the debt. since this time last year — to serve the debt. since this time last year. at which there were lots of popular — last year. at which there were lots of popular opinion saying this isn't something — of popular opinion saying this isn't something that is going to happen, don't _ something that is going to happen, don't expect it to and now we are getting _ don't expect it to and now we are getting warnings that inflation
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could — getting warnings that inflation could hit 5%. i think the chancellor is cautious— could hit 5%. i think the chancellor is cautious and i think we are seeing — is cautious and i think we are seeing some of the reason when it comes— seeing some of the reason when it comes to — seeing some of the reason when it comes to borrowing more or how much he wants— comes to borrowing more or how much he wants to _ comes to borrowing more or how much he wants to spend on day—to—day. cautious, — he wants to spend on day—to—day. cautious, katy, but he is quoted as using positive language with the economy firmly back on track, he is quoted as saying. we economy firmly back on track, he is quoted as saying-— quoted as saying. we also keeping the chancellor _ quoted as saying. we also keeping the chancellor talk _ quoted as saying. we also keeping the chancellor talk about - quoted as saying. we also keeping | the chancellor talk about restraint. so he's _ the chancellor talk about restraint. so he's talking about his response by way— so he's talking about his response by way of— so he's talking about his response by way of getting the economy back on track, _ by way of getting the economy back on track, and there is plenty of, you look— on track, and there is plenty of, you look at— on track, and there is plenty of, you look at the rate of growth and so forth _ you look at the rate of growth and so forth in— you look at the rate of growth and so forth in terms of the pandemic recovery— so forth in terms of the pandemic recovery and there is lots to plaintiff, _ recovery and there is lots to plaintiff, there is a point that the chancellor— plaintiff, there is a point that the chancellor does not want to go out on a limb — chancellor does not want to go out on a limb on some of these things. when _ on a limb on some of these things. when we _ on a limb on some of these things. when we get the chance are speaking on wednesday, we will hear about the fact that _ on wednesday, we will hear about the fact that inflation could be here for a _ fact that inflation could be here for a while. i suspect he will be talking — for a while. i suspect he will be talking about how he has to think about— talking about how he has to think about some of these risky scenarios, best case, _ about some of these risky scenarios, best case, and make sure that you do have something in the locker if it does _ have something in the locker if it does end — have something in the locker if it does end up being a risky scenario. rachel, _ does end up being a risky scenario. rachel, we're lots about what the chancellor will say on wednesday. a big preview to this. every return to this paper, sunak warned on it lack
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of cash for schools. it seems that that area may miss out. that of cash for schools. it seems that that area may miss out.— that area may miss out. that is riaht, that area may miss out. that is right. and _ that area may miss out. that is right, and that _ that area may miss out. that is right, and that is _ that area may miss out. that is right, and that is a _ that area may miss out. that is right, and that is a big - that area may miss out. that is right, and that is a big hole - that area may miss out. that is| right, and that is a big hole and that area may miss out. that is l right, and that is a big hole and a big concern for many. remember, the educations are to the conservatives, collins resigned over precisely this matter. he said that schools needed 15,000,000,000 in order to catch up at the huge loss of learning that children suffered during the pandemic. 0f children suffered during the pandemic. of course, there are huge inequities in that as well. so, schooling and the most deprived areas where children were already at areas where children were already at a disadvantage, that will be even, having an even worse impact. that was a resignation matterfor that then educations are ordered to catch up then educations are ordered to catch up sorry, you can see why this is such a big concern amongst schools and amongst parents. it doesn't seem like the government wants to pursue
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the recommendations that there has been so far about introducing perhaps longer school hours, which of course would be quite expensive and you would need to fund and also have special tutoring for pupils as well to allow them to catch up from this huge gap in their learning. to catch up sorry wanted 15,000,000,000, the government announced 1.4 billion extra, a sum he later described as feeble. so the paper is also picking up i'm what you mentioned, ruling out longer school days, would that be even possible because my talking about school teachers overworked, would that be possible, katy, even implementing longer school days? i implementing longer school days? i think it's a logistical issue. it is a question— think it's a logistical issue. it is a question about how you bring it in. i a question about how you bring it in ithink— a question about how you bring it in. i think there is also a question about— in. i think there is also a question about the — in. i think there is also a question about the focus of people if you keep _ about the focus of people if you keep them in for that long a period of time, _ keep them in for that long a period of time, and i think it was interesting that when rishi sunak was respeaking of the beacon, he was on the _ was respeaking of the beacon, he was on the times radio and was talking about— on the times radio and was talking about when it comes to catch up, and
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although— about when it comes to catch up, and although you often hear the chancellor on these budget interview saying _ chancellor on these budget interview saying i_ chancellor on these budget interview saying i cannot comment on this until— saying i cannot comment on this until wednesday, saying i cannot comment on this untilwednesday, so saying i cannot comment on this until wednesday, so it was a feudal process, _ until wednesday, so it was a feudal process, he — until wednesday, so it was a feudal process, he argued quite strongly against _ process, he argued quite strongly against extending school hours, saying _ against extending school hours, saying that ultimately he didn't think— saying that ultimately he didn't think this was effective, he didn't think— think this was effective, he didn't think it _ think this was effective, he didn't think it was backed up by evidence, for some _ think it was backed up by evidence, for some of— think it was backed up by evidence, for some of these logistical reasons, _ for some of these logistical reasons, but i think the cynic would say that— reasons, but i think the cynic would say that probably the biggest problem with extending school hours is is it _ problem with extending school hours is is it is— problem with extending school hours is is it is expensive. i think that's— is is it is expensive. i think that's one _ is is it is expensive. i think that's one reason why the treasury do want _ that's one reason why the treasury do want to— that's one reason why the treasury do want to stay away from it. lets ark that do want to stay away from it. lets park that for _ do want to stay away from it. lets park that for now. _ do want to stay away from it. let; park that for now. rachel, let's turn to the daily telegraph. vaccine passports could push people to the pubs. passports could push people to the ubs. , , ., �* , ., pubs. this is the government's on research, which _ pubs. this is the government's on research, which would _ pubs. this is the government's on research, which would be - pubs. this is the government's on research, which would be part - pubs. this is the government's on research, which would be part of. research, which would be part of their plan b of measures to be introduced or reintroduced if the situation with copan infection rates continues to be as worrying and climb in as worrying away as it is
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now. that thinking seems to be that if you have vaccine passport requirements for, say, large sports or music venues that already are sort of well ventilated and have preventative measures in place, it will drive people instead into the pubs, where you might not require dollars passports and where there is more laxity over such measures and therefore a higher potential rate of infection —— infection. i'm not sure about the logic of that and where that lies. i know that countries that lies. i know that countries that do have vaccine passports, we look at israel, where they have implemented vaccine passports quite thoroughly, they will have pcr tests as an alternative to him as a vaccine passport or a pcr test, and it's worth pointing out that they are much more affordable and in some cases free to have those tests. so, i'm not sure that the government has really been that thorough in its
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