tv Dateline London BBC News November 5, 2021 7:30pm-8:01pm GMT
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hello and welcome to the programme, which brings together bbc specialists and the foreign correspondents who write, blog and broadcast for audiences in their own countries from the dateline: london. this week: is china putting power before the planet? a fishy end to the british—french stand—off; and sleepyjoe just biding his time? to discuss that, we're joined by... the american journalist ned temko writes for the christian science monitor. david shukman, the bbc�*s science editorjoins us from, where else this week, glasgow.
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here in the studio, stefanie bolzen, uk and ireland correspndent for the german news site, welt. welcome to you. let's begin with china. we knew that china's president xijinping wouldn't attend cop26, the climate change conference in glasgow. what we didn't know was that his country would absent itself from many of the key agreements, too. a pledge to cut methane by 2030? not there. a pledge to phase out coal? not there. as for agreeing that global temperatures should be allowed to triose no more than 1.5 degrees above pre—industrial levels, forget it. you're in the heart of things up in glasgow. tell us what china has and has not signed up to?— has not signed up to? china is the bi est has not signed up to? china is the biggest polluter. _ has not signed up to? china is the biggest polluter. any _ has not signed up to? china is the biggest polluter. any effort - has not signed up to? china is the biggest polluter. any effort to - biggest polluter. any effort to tackle climate change has to involve
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the chinese. so far, they have actually stuck to their guns in terms of existing policy. there were high hopes, especially from the uk presidency of this process, in the run—up to it, they might be some breakthrough in chinese initiative. that didn't happen. there were some minor concessions. for example, the president said they would no longer fund coal outsiders china —— outside of china. they planned to be carbon neutral outside of 2050, later than many western countries. they —— there were hopes that they would do more. they continue with the line, which they always have had to be honest, which is other countries industrialised first, notably the united states. they've been tracking carbon emissions into the atmosphere for 150 years or so and the chinese
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like to point out so much current emissions, of which they are number one, but historical accumulative emissions, and enter that reckoning, the us is the number one with about one quarter of emissions in the air at the moment is coming from us soil. so, with that in mind, they say the richest nations, the western nations that industrialised first, they have got to move first when it comes to climate change.— they have got to move first when it comes to climate change. now, china as we heard — comes to climate change. now, china as we heard made _ comes to climate change. now, china as we heard made this _ comes to climate change. now, china as we heard made this argument. - comes to climate change. now, china as we heard made this argument. i i as we heard made this argument. i can imagine it's quite a seductive argument. it is shared presumably by argument. it is shared presumably by a lot of countries in the global south. in the end, the west cause this problem and in historical reasons, they are mostly western countries, many western european. your country as well. it is their problem first to solve. how would you rebut that argument if you are face to face with a chinese
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deployment tonight? well, i think the cist of deployment tonight? well, i think the gist of the _ deployment tonight? well, i think the gist of the argument - deployment tonight? well, i think the gist of the argument is - the gist of the argument is absolutely true and i think one of the ironies — absolutely true and i think one of the ironies is that it is increasingly acknowledged by the united _ increasingly acknowledged by the united states, certainly post the trump _ united states, certainly post the trump administration again and by the west. — trump administration again and by the west, who have redoubled their efforts _ the west, who have redoubled their efforts in_ the west, who have redoubled their efforts in the last six years since paris _ efforts in the last six years since paris to— efforts in the last six years since paris to try— efforts in the last six years since paris to try and cut emissions, try and develop — paris to try and cut emissions, try and develop new technologies. as climate _ and develop new technologies. as climate scientist will tell you however, far too slowly and far too little _ however, far too slowly and far too little. recently, there has been a new focus— little. recently, there has been a new focus on making good on a commitment of several years now to port something like $100 billion a year into— port something like $100 billion a year into developing economies precisely— year into developing economies precisely as a way of subsidising a greener— precisely as a way of subsidising a greener transition without forcing developing economies to sacrifice economic— developing economies to sacrifice
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economic growth. but the chinese line economic growth. but the chinese tine here — economic growth. but the chinese tine here is — economic growth. but the chinese line here is essentially a political, and i think david alluded to, is— political, and i think david alluded to, is from — political, and i think david alluded to, is from an old playbook. what i would _ to, is from an old playbook. what i would say — to, is from an old playbook. what i would say is — to, is from an old playbook. what i would say is that that playbook has become _ would say is that that playbook has become gradually less credible in the last— become gradually less credible in the last ten or 15 years. that is to say hack— the last ten or 15 years. that is to say back then it could be argued that china — say back then it could be argued that china was a big economy but it was essentially a developing economy. now it is the second—largest economy in the world. it is second—largest economy in the world. it is a _ second—largest economy in the world. it is a modern economy, it's a fully industrialised economy, and as david says. _ industrialised economy, and as david says. is— industrialised economy, and as david says, is responsible for more than a quarter— says, is responsible for more than a quarter of— says, is responsible for more than a quarter of all— says, is responsible for more than a quarter of all global emissions in and i_ quarter of all global emissions in and i think— quarter of all global emissions in and i think more than half of coal emissions — and i think more than half of coal emissions and it's pretty clear that without— emissions and it's pretty clear that without active chinese participation, it even tighter western— participation, it even tighter western targets are not going to be sufficient _ western targets are not going to be sufficient to meet the aspirations of the _ sufficient to meet the aspirations of the paris conference. stefanie,
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the eu delegation _ of the paris conference. stefanie, the eu delegation is _ of the paris conference. stefanie, the eu delegation is united - of the paris conference. stefanie, the eu delegation is united on - of the paris conference. stefanie, | the eu delegation is united on the challenge. even countries like poland for example are signing up to things that are difficult for them, not least because poland is so dependent on coal still. in china, there isn't one voice. it's a dilemma is how best to influence china. when countries like germany are reluctant to challenge it on human rights and other countries have beenjumping up and down on issues like that. this have been jumping up and down on issues like that.— issues like that. this is not only when it comes _ issues like that. this is not only when it comes to _ issues like that. this is not only when it comes to climate - issues like that. this is not only | when it comes to climate change issues like that. this is not only - when it comes to climate change but on many— when it comes to climate change but on many other— when it comes to climate change but on many other issues, _ when it comes to climate change but on many other issues, it's _ when it comes to climate change but on many other issues, it's a - on many other issues, it's a challenge _ on many other issues, it's a challenge for— on many other issues, it's a challenge for the _ on many other issues, it's a challenge for the europeanl on many other issues, it's a - challenge for the european union, due to _ challenge for the european union, due to investment— challenge for the european union, due to investment that _ challenge for the european union, due to investment that china - challenge for the european union, due to investment that china hasl challenge for the european union, i due to investment that china has in europe _ due to investment that china has in europe. generally, _ due to investment that china has in europe. generally, the— due to investment that china has in europe. generally, the eu - due to investment that china has in europe. generally, the eu is- due to investment that china has ini europe. generally, the eu is leaving in the _ europe. generally, the eu is leaving in the fight — europe. generally, the eu is leaving in the fight against _ europe. generally, the eu is leaving in the fight against climate - europe. generally, the eu is leaving in the fight against climate change i in the fight against climate change and rightly— in the fight against climate change and rightly so _ in the fight against climate change and rightly so because _ in the fight against climate change and rightly so because it _ in the fight against climate change and rightly so because it is - in the fight against climate change and rightly so because it is a - in the fight against climate change and rightly so because it is a very. and rightly so because it is a very powerful— and rightly so because it is a very powerful continent _ and rightly so because it is a very powerful continent and _ and rightly so because it is a very powerful continent and also - and rightly so because it is a very powerful continent and also the i powerful continent and also the europeans— powerful continent and also the europeans understood - powerful continent and also the europeans understood that - powerful continent and also the europeans understood that the | europeans understood that the pandemic— europeans understood that the pandemic can _ europeans understood that the pandemic can be _ europeans understood that the pandemic can be an— europeans understood that the i pandemic can be an opportunity, europeans understood that the - pandemic can be an opportunity, so when _ pandemic can be an opportunity, so when they— pandemic can be an opportunity, so when they adopted _ pandemic can be an opportunity, so when they adopted this _ pandemic can be an opportunity, so when they adopted this massive - when they adopted this massive recovery— when they adopted this massive recovery package _ when they adopted this massive recovery package plus _ when they adopted this massive recovery package plus the - when they adopted this massive i
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recovery package plus the budget until 2026. — recovery package plus the budget until 2026, which— recovery package plus the budget until 2026, which is— recovery package plus the budget until 2026, which is 1.8— recovery package plus the budget until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion i until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion euros, — until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion euros, a — until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion euros, a third _ until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion euros, a third of— until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion euros, a third of this - until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion euros, a third of this is - until 2026, which is 1.8 trillion - euros, a third of this is earmarked for investment— euros, a third of this is earmarked for investment into _ euros, a third of this is earmarked for investment into the _ euros, a third of this is earmarked for investment into the fight - for investment into the fight against _ for investment into the fight against climate _ for investment into the fight against climate change, - for investment into the fight against climate change, so i for investment into the fight - against climate change, so there is against climate change, so there is a big _ against climate change, so there is a big wheel— against climate change, so there is a big wheel to _ against climate change, so there is a big wheel to do _ against climate change, so there is a big wheel to do this _ against climate change, so there is a big wheel to do this on— against climate change, so there is a big wheel to do this on paper- against climate change, so there is a big wheel to do this on paper butj a big wheel to do this on paper but as you _ a big wheel to do this on paper but as you say, — a big wheel to do this on paper but as you say, poland, _ a big wheel to do this on paper but as you say, poland, hungary... - as you say, poland, hungary... poland — as you say, poland, hungary... poland might _ as you say, poland, hungary... poland might have _ as you say, poland, hungary... poland might have pledged - as you say, poland, hungary... poland might have pledged to. as you say, poland, hungary... . poland might have pledged to the phasing _ poland might have pledged to the phasing out — poland might have pledged to the phasing out of _ poland might have pledged to the phasing out of coal— poland might have pledged to the phasing out of coal but _ poland might have pledged to the phasing out of coal but actually. poland might have pledged to the phasing out of coal but actually in| phasing out of coal but actually in brussels — phasing out of coal but actually in brussels there _ phasing out of coal but actually in brussels there are _ phasing out of coal but actually in brussels there are a _ phasing out of coal but actually in brussels there are a lot _ phasing out of coal but actually in brussels there are a lot of- phasing out of coal but actually in brussels there are a lot of rows . brussels there are a lot of rows about _ brussels there are a lot of rows about this — brussels there are a lot of rows about this because _ brussels there are a lot of rows about this because these - brussels there are a lot of rows i about this because these countries are saying. — about this because these countries are saying. we _ about this because these countries are saying, we depend _ about this because these countries are saying, we depend on - about this because these countries are saying, we depend on coal, - about this because these countries are saying, we depend on coal, we have _ are saying, we depend on coal, we have massive _ are saying, we depend on coal, we have massive economic— are saying, we depend on coal, we have massive economic problemsl are saying, we depend on coal, we i have massive economic problems are because _ have massive economic problems are because of— have massive economic problems are because of the — have massive economic problems are because of the pandemic, _ have massive economic problems are because of the pandemic, we - have massive economic problems are because of the pandemic, we cannotl because of the pandemic, we cannot spend _ because of the pandemic, we cannot spend more — because of the pandemic, we cannot spend more money— because of the pandemic, we cannot spend more money on— because of the pandemic, we cannot spend more money on this. - because of the pandemic, we cannot spend more money on this.- because of the pandemic, we cannot spend more money on this. david, you outline some — spend more money on this. david, you outline some of _ spend more money on this. david, you outline some of the _ spend more money on this. david, you outline some of the things _ spend more money on this. david, you outline some of the things that - outline some of the things that president xijinping has outline some of the things that president xi jinping has said. outline some of the things that president xijinping has said. you could argue that a lot of this, we talked about the old playbook, is exactly that, it is the official chinese institutional pathological view of the west as the humiliate of china on many occasions, most notably during the opium wars will stop how the british is the kind of
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chair of this event handling this? do you get a sense as you talk to officials of the record that they have a strategy in engaging china on this issue? it’s have a strategy in engaging china on this issue? �* , ., have a strategy in engaging china on this issue? �* , . ., , ., this issue? it's a great question and it's very — this issue? it's a great question and it's very sensitive _ this issue? it's a great question and it's very sensitive and - this issue? it's a great question and it's very sensitive and very| and it's very sensitive and very difficult. howeveryou and it's very sensitive and very difficult. however you look at it, relations between the uk and china are not brilliant. you could pick a long list of topics that cause tension. hong kong for example. the fact that the royal navy has just sailed its new aircraft carrier from the south of china. these are all issues that create a difficult atmosphere in the run—up to this event, and the fact is that the man chairing got 26, the british minister, only managed to get to beijing once in the run—up to the summit, whereas on previous occasions, for example be head of the paris summit in 2015, there were multiple visits by all kinds of
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world leaders to beijing. clearly covid—19 is a factor but i think it illustrates how difficult it has been for the uk to have any influence and they can't really control. i think they are trying to look at other parties like the eu, perhaps the americans, to bring some influence. there has been a phone call between borisjohnson and president xijinping but call between borisjohnson and president xi jinping but there is limited influence in the hope is that others can bring some influence to bear on china. who that others can bring some influence to bear on china.— that others can bring some influence to bear on china. who knows, maybe some of those _ to bear on china. who knows, maybe some of those countries _ to bear on china. who knows, maybe some of those countries that - to bear on china. who knows, maybe some of those countries that benefit| some of those countries that benefit from china could have a quiet word in that year. it was donald trump, who nicknamed his democrat rival for the presidency "sleepyjoe". some in mr biden's own party may be wondering whether the president has been asleep on the job. as congressional democrats continued to squabble amongst themselves over how to pass the president's signature infrastructure reform,
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the results in gubnatorial elections in two states suggest voters may be losing patience. the democrats lost virginia and came petrilously close to defeat in newjersey. just on virginia, mared, i think i'm right in saying thatjoe biden when that state a year ago by 10%. on wednesday night, they lost all three state offices. what is the explanation and why does that result, why does it matter? why is it causing such jitters? the result, why does it matter? why is it causing such jitters?— it causing such 'itters? the first thin to it causing such 'itters? the first thing to say — it causing such 'itters? the first thing to say is _ it causing such jitters? the first thing to say is that _ it causing such jitters? the first thing to say is that the - it causing such jitters? the first thing to say is that the two - it causing such jitters? the firstl thing to say is that the two given at oriel— thing to say is that the two given at 0riel results probably matter less, _ at 0riel results probably matter less, including us in the press have suggested — less, including us in the press have suggested. if you go back to the i980s. — suggested. if you go back to the 19805, since then, every 5ugge5ted. if you go back to the 19805, since then, every new president, republican or democrat ha5 president, republican or democrat has lost _ president, republican or democrat
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has lost the5e president, republican or democrat has lost these two state governor offices _ has lost these two state governor offices in — has lost these two state governor offices in the first year in office. you could — offices in the first year in office. you could argue that democrats and biden— you could argue that democrats and biden didn't do well but they did le55 terribly then the historical parameter would suggest but that doesn't _ parameter would suggest but that doesn't mean it's good news and the reason _ doe5n't mean it's good news and the reason it— doesn't mean it's good news and the reason it matters is this... festival, _ reason it matters is this... festival, as you say, it wasn't reason it matters is this... festival, as you say, it wa5n'tju5t the governors office, it was other offices _ the governors office, it was other offices around the state as well. but more — offices around the state as well. but more seriously for the long term, _ but more seriously for the long term, well, for the next year because _ term, well, for the next year because this is all about the mid—term elections for both houses in congress, almost exactly a year from _ in congress, almost exactly a year from now. — in congress, almost exactly a year from now, and the bad news in that context— from now, and the bad news in that context is— from now, and the bad news in that context is the polling and it seemed to suggest that while the democratic base held _ to suggest that while the democratic base held up pretty well in both new jersey— base held up pretty well in both new jersey and _ base held up pretty well in both new jersey and virginia, two key constituencies that the democrats had peeled away during the four years— had peeled away during the four years of— had peeled away during the four years of the trump administration because _ years of the trump administration because of— years of the trump administration because of the toxic that he
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generated in these areas and that is to say— generated in these areas and that is to say the _ generated in these areas and that is to say the suburbs of major cities and independent voters, in both those _ and independent voters, in both those areas, it seems that the democrats are losing their appeal, and without being able to reinstate that connection and perhaps build on it, it that connection and perhaps build on it. it is _ that connection and perhaps build on it. it is hard — that connection and perhaps build on it, it is hard to see how things look— it, it is hard to see how things look good _ it, it is hard to see how things look good for the midterms and the democrats. historically, the trend is that— democrats. historically, the trend is that first—term presidents of either— is that first—term presidents of either party almost always lose the seats _ either party almost always lose the seats in _ either party almost always lose the seats in the midterms. joe either party almost always lose the seats in the midterms.— seats in the midterms. joe biden ho -e to seats in the midterms. joe biden hope to arrive — seats in the midterms. joe biden hope to arrive in _ seats in the midterms. joe biden hope to arrive in glasgow- seats in the midterms. joe biden hope to arrive in glasgow with i seats in the midterms. joe biden| hope to arrive in glasgow with its safely signed and sealed. it didn't turn out that way. how did the us credentials look? the best you could
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say was, well, the market is transitioning. presumably, all the scientist would say, yes, but not fast enough. i scientist would say, yes, but not fast enough-— fast enough. i think that's true. there was _ fast enough. i think that's true. there was a _ fast enough. i think that's true. there was a very _ fast enough. i think that's true. there was a very neat - fast enough. i think that's true. there was a very neat narrative | there was a very neat narrative earlier this year. president trump gets elected, comes into office, very quickly reinstate america's membership of the paris agreement, which donald trump had taken american out of. on that day, in april, announces his own plan for america to halve its emissions by 2030, extremely ambitious, absolutely in line with the latest climate science in terms of what's needed to stop the worst of global warming and then the hope is that he would turn up here and having got everything sorted out in congress, and of course, that hasn't happened and of course, that hasn't happened and i think it has raised the question here. people talk about this summit as a delivery summit.
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it's summit, where people have made all of promises to do all kinds of stuff, net zero x 2015 all that kind of thing, but actually, what everyone is looking for, what the science is looking for, is action very soon in the coming years and until the building blocks are in place in washington, it's hard to see howjoe biden can deliver. i see there are ways and mechanisms and so forth but at the moment, and picking up forth but at the moment, and picking up in the corridors here questions about how america can deliver. there is no question that it's serious about the agenda but can it deliver? stefanie, this must seem strange.
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i was iwas in i was in glasgow at the beginning of the week, _ i was in glasgow at the beginning of the week, when— i was in glasgow at the beginning of the week, when the _ i was in glasgow at the beginning of the week, when the head _ i was in glasgow at the beginning of the week, when the head of- i was in glasgow at the beginning of the week, when the head of state . i was in glasgow at the beginning of. the week, when the head of state and government— the week, when the head of state and government with _ the week, when the head of state and government with there, _ the week, when the head of state and government with there, and _ the week, when the head of state and government with there, and as - the week, when the head of state and government with there, and as david i government with there, and as david says. _ government with there, and as david says. there _ government with there, and as david says. there was _ government with there, and as david says. there was a _ government with there, and as david says, there was a lot _ government with there, and as david says, there was a lot of— government with there, and as david says, there was a lot of tension - says, there was a lot of tension around — says, there was a lot of tension around joe _ says, there was a lot of tension around joe biden— says, there was a lot of tension around joe biden because - says, there was a lot of tension i around joe biden because america says, there was a lot of tension - around joe biden because america is back, _ around joe biden because america is back, that _ around joe biden because america is back, that is — around joe biden because america is back, that is what _ around joe biden because america is back, that is what was _ around joe biden because america is back, that is what was promised - around joe biden because america is back, that is what was promised andj back, that is what was promised and now there _ back, that is what was promised and now there is — back, that is what was promised and now there is so _ back, that is what was promised and now there is so little _ back, that is what was promised and now there is so little time _ back, that is what was promised and now there is so little time left - back, that is what was promised and now there is so little time left to - now there is so little time left to deliver. — now there is so little time left to deliver, especially— now there is so little time left to deliver, especially in _ now there is so little time left to deliver, especially in climate - deliver, especially in climate change _ deliver, especially in climate change if— deliver, especially in climate change if you _ deliver, especially in climate change. if you follow - deliver, especially in climate change. if you follow the - deliver, especially in climate i change. if you follow the cop26 deliver, especially in climate - change. if you follow the cop26 in glasgow. — change. if you follow the cop26 in glasgow. you _ change. if you follow the cop26 in glasgow, you know— change. if you follow the cop26 in glasgow, you know that _ change. if you follow the cop26 in glasgow, you know that every - change. if you follow the cop26 in . glasgow, you know that every pledge makes _ glasgow, you know that every pledge makes a _ glasgow, you know that every pledge makes a massive _ glasgow, you know that every pledge makes a massive difference - glasgow, you know that every pledge makes a massive difference but- glasgow, you know that every pledge makes a massive difference but theyl makes a massive difference but they also have _ makes a massive difference but they also have to — makes a massive difference but they also have to deliver— makes a massive difference but they also have to deliver it, _ makes a massive difference but they also have to deliver it, and - makes a massive difference but they also have to deliver it, and by- makes a massive difference but they also have to deliver it, and by this. also have to deliver it, and by this time _ also have to deliver it, and by this time next — also have to deliver it, and by this time next year. _ also have to deliver it, and by this time next year, maybe _ also have to deliver it, and by this time next year, maybe joe - also have to deliver it, and by this time next year, maybe joe bidenl time next year, maybe joe biden can't _ time next year, maybe joe biden can't decide _ time next year, maybe joe biden can't decide and _ time next year, maybe joe biden can't decide and legislate - time next year, maybe joe biden can't decide and legislate for- can't decide and legislate for anything _ can't decide and legislate for anything anymore. _ can't decide and legislate for anything anymore. you - can't decide and legislate for anything anymore.— can't decide and legislate for anything anymore. can't decide and legislate for an him an more. ., ., ., anything anymore. you may not have the votes. anything anymore. you may not have the votes- yes. _ anything anymore. you may not have the votes. yes, so _ anything anymore. you may not have the votes. yes, so coming _ anything anymore. you may not have the votes. yes, so coming back - anything anymore. you may not have the votes. yes, so coming back to i the votes. yes, so coming back to germany. — the votes. yes, so coming back to germany. they — the votes. yes, so coming back to germany, they promised - the votes. yes, so coming back to germany, they promised the - the votes. yes, so coming back to. germany, they promised the voters the votes. yes, so coming back to - germany, they promised the voters to come _ germany, they promised the voters to come back— germany, they promised the voters to come back for— germany, they promised the voters to come back for christmas _ germany, they promised the voters to come back for christmas with - germany, they promised the voters to come back for christmas with a - germany, they promised the voters to come back for christmas with a new. come back for christmas with a new government— come back for christmas with a new government has— come back for christmas with a new government has a _ come back for christmas with a new government has a christmas - come back for christmas with a newl government has a christmas present but things— government has a christmas present but things are — government has a christmas present but things are not _ government has a christmas present but things are not looking _ government has a christmas present but things are not looking very - but things are not looking very rosy~ _ but things are not looking very rosy~ two _ but things are not looking very rosy. two weeks _ but things are not looking very rosy. two weeks ago, - but things are not looking very rosy. two weeks ago, they. but things are not looking very i rosy. two weeks ago, they were but things are not looking very - rosy. two weeks ago, they were doing selfies _ rosy. two weeks ago, they were doing selfies of— rosy. two weeks ago, they were doing selfies of themselves _ rosy. two weeks ago, they were doing selfies of themselves but _ rosy. two weeks ago, they were doing selfies of themselves but now - rosy. two weeks ago, they were doing selfies of themselves but now they. selfies of themselves but now they are starting — selfies of themselves but now they are starting to _ 5elfie5 of themselves but now they are starting to bicker— selfies of themselves but now they are starting to bicker and - selfies of themselves but now they are starting to bicker and that's - are starting to bicker and that's not a _ are starting to bicker and that's not a good _ are starting to bicker and that's not a good thing _ are starting to bicker and that's not a good thing but _ are starting to bicker and that's not a good thing but i - are starting to bicker and that's not a good thing but i hope - are starting to bicker and that's not a good thing but i hope by.
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not a good thing but i hope by christmas _ not a good thing but i hope by christmas we _ not a good thing but i hope by christmas we will— not a good thing but i hope by christmas we will have - not a good thing but i hope by christmas we will have a - not a good thing but i hope by christmas we will have a newl christmas we will have a new government— christmas we will have a new government in— christmas we will have a new government in germany- christmas we will have a new government in germany and i christmas we will have a new i government in germany and i'm christmas we will have a new - government in germany and i'm sure we are— government in germany and i'm sure we are going— government in germany and i'm sure we are going to— government in germany and i'm sure we are going to talk— government in germany and i'm sure we are going to talk about _ government in germany and i'm sure we are going to talk about that - government in germany and i'm sure we are going to talk about that in - we are going to talk about that in quite _ we are going to talk about that in quite a _ we are going to talk about that in quite a hit — we are going to talk about that in quite a hit it— we are going to talk about that in quite a bit-— quite a bit. it will be over by christmas. _ quite a bit. it will be over by christmas, where _ quite a bit. it will be over by christmas, where have - quite a bit. it will be over by christmas, where have i - quite a bit. it will be over by l christmas, where have i heard quite a bit. it will be over by - christmas, where have i heard that before? " ., , . , before? until the 19th of december, if it's afterwards, _ before? until the 19th of december, if it's afterwards, angela _ before? until the 19th of december, if it's afterwards, angela merkel- if it's afterwards, angela merkel will he _ if it's afterwards, angela merkel will he a — if it's afterwards, angela merkel will be a historic— if it's afterwards, angela merkel will be a historic decorative. - if it's afterwards, angela merkell will be a historic decorative. that is so upside- _ will be a historic decorative. that is so upside. on _ will be a historic decorative. that is so upside. on that _ will be a historic decorative.- is so upside. on that negotiation, part of biden's pitch is look, i've spent my life time in congress. i'm the man, i walked across the aisle or my political life. i'm the man who can deliver. he hasn't been able to get it on his own side. the idea that anyone crossing the arm to vote with him. . ,, ., ., ,, with him. hearing stefanie talk, i 'ust wish with him. hearing stefanie talk, i just wish from — with him. hearing stefanie talk, i just wish from an _ with him. hearing stefanie talk, i just wish from an american - just wish from an american perspective that politicians could hicker~ _ perspective that politicians could bicker. they barely talk to each other— bicker. they barely talk to each other or— bicker. they barely talk to each other or look at each other these days _ other or look at each other these days the — other or look at each other these days. the short answer is, this
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isn't _ days. the short answer is, this isn't biden's old congress and certainly— isn't biden's old congress and certainly not the senedd any more but if— certainly not the senedd any more but if i _ certainly not the senedd any more but if i could come back to the significance... this is a wake—up call for— significance... this is a wake—up call for the — significance... this is a wake—up call for the democratic party. we will see — call for the democratic party. we will see whether this works among a will 5ee whether this works among a critical— will see whether this works among a critical mass of democrats in congress. _ critical mass of democrats in congress, will see if they can get anything — congress, will see if they can get anything done and they have broadly -ot a anything done and they have broadly got a core _ anything done and they have broadly got a core agenda on which they agree. _ got a core agenda on which they agree, they had better do it now because — agree, they had better do it now because even with the majority, narrow — because even with the majority, narrow that they are, in congress that they— narrow that they are, in congress that they now process, the reason of the current _ that they now process, the reason of the current party is stalemate and if the _ the current party is stalemate and if the republicans were to hold or take back— if the republicans were to hold or take back control of congress, basically. _ take back control of congress, basically, biden should turn out the lights. _ basically, biden should turn out the lights, because in terms of modern or major—
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lights, because in terms of modern or major infrastructure getting through— or major infrastructure getting through congress, it'5 or major infrastructure getting through congress, it's going to be a tough _ through congress, it's going to be a tough call — through congress, it's going to be a tough call. find through congress, it's going to be a tou~h call. �* ., tough call. and the nightmare scenario briefly _ tough call. and the nightmare scenario briefly as _ tough call. and the nightmare scenario briefly as he - tough call. and the nightmare scenario briefly as he finds . tough call. and the nightmare - scenario briefly as he finds himself in that position, he can't legislate, he tries to regulate that he's by the supreme court, which has a conservative majority and then he is facing donald trump again in three and a half years' time. anything is possible. i am for my sins quite — anything is possible. i am for my sins quite the optimist in the sense that the _ sins quite the optimist in the sense that the alternative is worse, and i like to— that the alternative is worse, and i like to think — that the alternative is worse, and i like to think there is enough institutional fibre left in american democracy that we will get through this. democracy that we will get through this lt— democracy that we will get through this. . . democracy that we will get through this. , , �* , this. it will be tested, i'm sure over the next _ this. it will be tested, i'm sure over the next few _ this. it will be tested, i'm sure over the next few years. - this. it will be tested, i'm sure over the next few years. i - this. it will be tested, i'm sure | over the next few years. i can't help thinking about gershwin song, i'm biding my time. that's the kind of guy i am. let's move on. what diplomats call a "brush past" at the g20 summit at the weekend. perhaps brush off would be more accurate. the two leaders were at
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loggerheads over fishing. unless the uk issued licences to french boats which had been denied them post—brexit, declared president macron, from tuesday british boats would be banned from landing their catch. the british government warned this would breach its trade and cooperation agreement with the eu. yet on monday night, paris backed off. stefanie, i was in the studio monday night, when i suddenly saw that the lec palace had announced it was suspending the deadline and there won't be any action on tuesday. what is the explanation that lies behind that, do you think? is is the explanation that lies behind that, do you think?— that, do you think? is not quite clear. there _ that, do you think? is not quite clear. there have _ that, do you think? is not quite clear. there have been - that, do you think? is not quite | clear. there have been briefings that, do you think? is not quite - clear. there have been briefings and canterbury— clear. there have been briefings and canterbury things _ clear. there have been briefings and canterbury things —— _ clear. there have been briefings and canterbury things —— canterbury- canterbury things —— canterbury things — canterbury things —— canterbury things not _ canterbury things —— canterbury things not only— canterbury things —— canterbury things. not only they _ canterbury things —— canterbury things. not only they would - canterbury things —— canterbury things. not only they would ban british— things. not only they would ban british ships _ things. not only they would ban british ships from _ things. not only they would ban british ships from french - things. not only they would ban i british ships from french waters, but also — british ships from french waters, but also they _ british ships from french waters, but also they might _ british ships from french waters, but also they might make - british ships from french waters, but also they might make trade l
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but also they might make trade between — but also they might make trade between calais _ but also they might make trade between calais and _ but also they might make trade between calais and dover, - but also they might make trade i between calais and dover, where but also they might make trade - between calais and dover, where most of the _ between calais and dover, where most of the trade _ between calais and dover, where most of the trade goes — between calais and dover, where most of the trade goes between _ between calais and dover, where most of the trade goes between britain - of the trade goes between britain and ireland — of the trade goes between britain and ireland and _ of the trade goes between britain and ireland and tours _ of the trade goes between britain and ireland and tours the - of the trade goes between britain . and ireland and tours the continent. they might — and ireland and tours the continent. they might not _ and ireland and tours the continent. they might not block _ and ireland and tours the continent. they might not block it _ and ireland and tours the continent. they might not block it would - and ireland and tours the continent. they might not block it would make | they might not block it would make it more _ they might not block it would make it more difficult. _ they might not block it would make it more difficult. also— they might not block it would make it more difficult. also have - they might not block it would make it more difficult. also have to- they might not block it would make it more difficult. also have to see . it more difficult. also have to see not only— it more difficult. also have to see not only from _ it more difficult. also have to see not only from the _ it more difficult. also have to see not only from the british - it more difficult. also have to see not only from the british side - it more difficult. also have to see not only from the british side but| not only from the british side but also from — not only from the british side but also from the _ not only from the british side but also from the german, _ not only from the british side but also from the german, slovak, . also from the german, slovak, hungarian. _ also from the german, slovak, hungarian. they— also from the german, slovak, hungarian, they all— also from the german, slovak, hungarian, they all sell - also from the german, slovak, hungarian, they all sell their. also from the german, slovak, i hungarian, they all sell their stuff to britain— hungarian, they all sell their stuff to britain and— hungarian, they all sell their stuff to britain and that _ hungarian, they all sell their stuff to britain and that was _ hungarian, they all sell their stuff to britain and that was quite - to britain and that was quite something _ to britain and that was quite something that _ to britain and that was quite something that raised - to britain and that was quite something that raised some| to britain and that was quite - something that raised some eyebrows out there _ something that raised some eyebrows out there so: — something that raised some eyebrows out there. 1, , something that raised some eyebrows out there. 1, _ ., ,., out there. so, borisjohnson, he kind of had _ out there. so, borisjohnson, he kind of had a _ out there. so, borisjohnson, he kind of had a word _ out there. so, borisjohnson, he kind of had a word with - out there. so, borisjohnson, he kind of had a word with ursula i out there. so, boris johnson, he i kind of had a word with ursula von der leyen. do you think you may have been pushing an open door to a certain extent?— been pushing an open door to a certain extent? yes, to a certain extent but _ certain extent? yes, to a certain extent but what _ certain extent? yes, to a certain extent but what i _ certain extent? yes, to a certain extent but what i hear _ certain extent? yes, to a certain extent but what i hear in - certain extent? yes, to a certain l extent but what i hear in brussels as well— extent but what i hear in brussels as well is— extent but what i hear in brussels as well is that _ extent but what i hear in brussels as well is that the _ extent but what i hear in brussels as well is that the europeans - extent but what i hear in brussel5| as well is that the europeans have shown— as well is that the europeans have shown their— as well is that the europeans have shown their tool— as well is that the europeans have shown their tool box _ as well is that the europeans have shown their tool box and - as well is that the europeans have j shown their tool box and because, as well is that the europeans have i shown their tool box and because, i think— shown their tool box and because, i think will— shown their tool box and because, i think will talk— shown their tool box and because, i think will talk about _ shown their tool box and because, i think will talk about it _ shown their tool box and because, i think will talk about it in _ shown their tool box and because, i think will talk about it in minutes, i think will talk about it in minutes, because _ think will talk about it in minutes, because of— think will talk about it in minutes, because of the _ think will talk about it in minutes, because of the northern - think will talk about it in minutes, because of the northern ireland i because of the northern ireland protocol. — because of the northern ireland protocol, there _ because of the northern ireland protocol, there was _ because of the northern ireland protocol, there was a _ because of the northern ireland protocol, there was a kind - because of the northern ireland protocol, there was a kind of. protocol, there was a kind of thinking _ protocol, there was a kind of thinking that— protocol, there was a kind of thinking that maybe - protocol, there was a kind of thinking that maybe the - protocol, there was a kind of. thinking that maybe the french overdid — thinking that maybe the french overdid it— thinking that maybe the french overdid it but— thinking that maybe the french overdid it but in— thinking that maybe the french overdid it but in a _ thinking that maybe the french overdid it but in a way, - thinking that maybe the french overdid it but in a way, the - thinking that maybe the frenchl overdid it but in a way, the brits also _ overdid it but in a way, the brits also need — overdid it but in a way, the brits also need to— overdid it but in a way, the brits also need to know— overdid it but in a way, the brits also need to know what - overdid it but in a way, the brits also need to know what could i overdid it but in a way, the brits - also need to know what could happen if they— also need to know what could happen if they don't _ also need to know what could happen if they don't stick— also need to know what could happen if they don't stick to _ also need to know what could happen if they don't stick to the _ also need to know what could happen if they don't stick to the agreement i if they don't stick to the agreement that they— if they don't stick to the agreement that they have _ if they don't stick to the agreement
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that they have signed. _ if they don't stick to the agreement that they have signed. so, - if they don't stick to the agreement that they have signed.— if they don't stick to the agreement that they have signed. so, there may be some value _ that they have signed. so, there may be some value in _ that they have signed. so, there may be some value in it. _ that they have signed. so, there may be some value in it. david, _ that they have signed. so, there may be some value in it. david, you - that they have signed. so, there may be some value in it. david, you have | be some value in it. david, you have been diplomatic editor of the bbc. your science editor now. the science of fishing and the politics of the fish industry are really complicated. why is it something that provokes such passions given that provokes such passions given that it's a tiny industry in global terms and in european terms as well. well, the first thing it provokes in me as a shiver down my spine because when i was based in brussels, the worst things any of us ever had to cover just worst things any of us ever had to coverjust before christmas was the annual fish tours. they oise went through the night, they were highly sensitive, highly... the details were incredibly complicated, as you say. which fish type, which species,
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which area. it came down to high politics. every minister, every fishery minister wanted to leave with victory. they wanted to be able to go on camera on their own national tv networks and say, i have one. i have secured a small fish. almost every year, with almost every species, the agreement amongst the politicians for the quotas was always greater than the marine conservationist would advise. there would be a numberfrom the scientists about what we think is safe, and then, the politicians during the fraught early hours of the morning would always grant each other as it were office to take. i think you have just got a number of proud fishing nations. it has become a political touchstone in the uk. it was a key issue in the brexit referendum. it remains an issue now. i think it's very easy for politicians from either side of the channel to light the blue touch
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paper over it, rightly or wrongly, and get some good headlines and i wonder if that's what we're seeing now? �* . wonder if that's what we're seeing now? �* , ., now? ned, the british government were very sensitive _ now? ned, the british government were very sensitive not _ now? ned, the british government were very sensitive not to - now? ned, the british government were very sensitive not to appear l were very sensitive not to appear triumphant on this and the temperature has lowered accordingly. would you think the best way forward is now quite? 0ne would you think the best way forward is now quite? one could almost argue let's give licences to the boats... is a finite number, is there a way through this do you think? even the french were saying, could you let us know what the criteria used were please? know what the criteria used were lease? ., , , ., , please? your suggestion is fantastic- _ please? your suggestion is fantastic. the _ please? your suggestion is fantastic. the problem - please? your suggestion is fantastic. the problem is, l please? your suggestion is| fantastic. the problem is, it please? your suggestion is - fantastic. the problem is, it makes much _ fantastic. the problem is, it makes much too _ fantastic. the problem is, it makes much too much sense for it to happen — much too much sense for it to happen. this is essentially a political— happen. this is essentially a political row in and on the british side we — political row in and on the british side we have a highly ideological government, who is —— shoes powering
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ideas _ government, who is —— shoes powering ideas brexit— government, who is —— shoes powering ideas brexit and making britain great _ ideas brexit and making britain great again and we must not forget that emmanuel macron runs has an important _ that emmanuel macron runs has an important pre—election date early next year— important pre—election date early next year with the voters of france and he _ next year with the voters of france and he does not want to appear weak all basically _ and he does not want to appear weak all basically taken advantage of. so, all basically taken advantage of. so. there — all basically taken advantage of. so, there is relatively narrow scope for manoeuvre. neither side wanted a blow-up _ for manoeuvre. neither side wanted a blow—up now. just for manoeuvre. neither side wanted a blow-up now-— blow-up now. just in the last 45 seconds or— blow-up now. just in the last 45 seconds or so. _ blow-up now. just in the last 45 seconds or so. this _ blow-up now. just in the last 45 seconds or so. this could - blow-up now. just in the last 45| seconds or so. this could almost blow-up now. just in the last 45 - seconds or so. this could almost be a warm up act for the main event? yes, it'sjust to be a warm up act for the main event? yes, it's just to be continued. a warm up act for the main event? yes, it'sjust to be continued. now, yes, it'5ju5t to be continued. now, they'll— yes, it'5ju5t to be continued. now, they'll talk — yes, it'5ju5t to be continued. now, they'll talk about— yes, it'5ju5t to be continued. now, they'll talk about fish _ yes, it'5ju5t to be continued. now, they'll talk about fish and _ yes, it'5ju5t to be continued. now, they'll talk about fish and next - they'll talk about fish and next week— they'll talk about fish and next week they— they'll talk about fish and next week they will— they'll talk about fish and next week they will talk _ they'll talk about fish and next week they will talk about - they'll talk about fish and next week they will talk about the i week they will talk about the northern— week they will talk about the northern ireland _ week they will talk about the northern ireland protocol, i week they will talk about the - northern ireland protocol, where the british— northern ireland protocol, where the british side _ northern ireland protocol, where the british side once _ northern ireland protocol, where the british side once the _ northern ireland protocol, where the british side once the european - northern ireland protocol, where the british side once the european court| british side once the european court ofjustice _
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british side once the european court ofjustice to — british side once the european court ofjustice to be — british side once the european court ofjustice to be taken— british side once the european court ofjustice to be taken completely - ofjustice to be taken completely out of— ofjustice to be taken completely out of the — ofjustice to be taken completely out of the picture _ ofjustice to be taken completely out of the picture and _ ofjustice to be taken completely out of the picture and that - ofjustice to be taken completely out of the picture and that is - out of the picture and that is impossible. _ out of the picture and that is impossible, legally- out of the picture and that is impossible, legally for- out of the picture and that is impossible, legally for the i impossible, legally for the europeans _ impossible, legally forthe europeans. the _ impossible, legally forthe europeans. the cause - impossible, legally forthe europeans. the cause of. impossible, legally for the - europeans. the cause ofjustice decides — europeans. the cause ofjustice decides on _ europeans. the cause ofjustice decides on matters _ europeans. the cause ofjustice decides on matters of - europeans. the cause ofjustice decides on matters of the - europeans. the cause ofjusticel decides on matters of the single market— decides on matters of the single market in— decides on matters of the single market in northern _ decides on matters of the single market in northern ireland - decides on matters of the single market in northern ireland is. decides on matters of the single. market in northern ireland is part of the _ market in northern ireland is part of the single _ market in northern ireland is part of the single market, _ market in northern ireland is part of the single market, so - market in northern ireland is part of the single market, so the - of the single market, so the suspicion _ of the single market, so the suspicion is _ of the single market, so the suspicion is that _ of the single market, so the suspicion is that the - of the single market, so the suspicion is that the brits i of the single market, so the i suspicion is that the brits put it in there — suspicion is that the brits put it in there because _ suspicion is that the brits put it in there because they- suspicion is that the brits put it in there because they know - suspicion is that the brits put it| in there because they know that suspicion is that the brits put it- in there because they know that you can't solve _ in there because they know that you can't solve it — in there because they know that you can't solve it and _ in there because they know that you can't solve it and it's _ in there because they know that you can't solve it and it's a _ in there because they know that you can't solve it and it's a political- can't solve it and it's a political game — can't solve it and it's a political game for— can't solve it and it's a political game for the _ can't solve it and it's a political game for the domestic- can't solve it and it's a political. game for the domestic audiences. watch _ game for the domestic audiences. watch this— game for the domestic audiences. watch this space. _ game for the domestic audiences. watch this space. i'm _ game for the domestic audiences. watch this space. i'm glad - game for the domestic audiences. watch this space. i'm glad you - watch this space. i'm glad you mentioned next week. that could well be a subject on next week's programme. we don't decide until the week of the transmission. from everyone, have a lovely week. goodbye.
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hello. eastern england saw the sunshine today after a frosty start. milder air has been pushing in across the west of the uk. in northern ireland, it has been mainly cloudy, although there hasn't been much in the way of rain out of this cloud but things are now about to change as we get into the weekend. there is an area of low pressure heading our way, which has notjust some rain but some stronger winds with it. it will turn windy across the uk but particularly in northern scotland. by the end of saturday, saturday night and into sunday morning. rain will move across the uk but it will weaken as it does so. it is largely dry for bonfire night with just it is largely dry for bonfire night withjust a it is largely dry for bonfire night with just a few spots of rain into the west. more persistent rain overnight and into the morning across north—western scotland. it is across north—western scotland. it is
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a milder night. weather was frost today. the rain tomorrow is going to move its way south across scotland through northern ireland into northern england, where it is persistent into the west of the pennines and into wales as well. there will be a few splashes of rain, especially in the evening, where there will be increasingly light and patchy rain moving through. scotland and northern ireland brightening up in the afternoon. temperatures around ten to 14 afternoon. temperatures around ten to m degrees. fireworks displays tomorrow evening, take note of the wind, especially in northern scotland. the gusts in the evening with severe gales developing on the coast of northern scotland with gusts of 60 to 70 mph, coupled with high tides could bring some big waves and dangerous conditions along the coastline and into sunday morning as well. in a few of the
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showers across mainly western areas on sunday. it may trickle a little further east. there will be sunny spells to, especially in eastern parts. sunday is looking to be drier and brighterfor the parts. sunday is looking to be drier and brighter for the weekend. temperatures on the mild side on the weekend and into next week as well.
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this is bbc news i'm shaun ley. the headlines at eight. three board members including the chairman of yorkshire county cricket club have resigned over the club's handling of racism experienced by former player azeem rafiq. what i've seen is a culture that's locked in the past, a culture that finds it difficult to accept challenge and change. former england capatin michael vaughan was accused of making a racist comment to players — something he denies — the bbc says he won't be presenting his cricket programme next week. greta thunberg leads thousands of young activists through the streets of glasgow to demand action on climate change at c0 p26. we have had 26 cops, they have had decades of blah blah blah and where has that led us?
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