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this is bbc news, the headlines... the united states has reopened its land and air borders to travellers from much of the world, 20 months after a ban was first imposed because of the pandemic. fully vaccinated visitors will be allowed in. poland says thousands of migrants are preparing to cross illegally into the country from belarus. it comes a authorities released released video which appears to show a group of migrants trying to force their way across the border with polish troops using pepper spray to force them back. the former us president, barack obama, has told the cop 20 six summit that the world isn't doing anywhere near enough to fight climate change. he called on people to pressure governments and companies to take stronger action. the british prime minister has been accused of running scared from a parliamentary debate about the rules that govern mps. it follows the furore over the government's handling of a former minister, found guilty of breaking lobbying rules.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me arejonathan walker, political editor of the birmingham post and mail and sam lister, deputy political editor of the daily express. here are the front pages if you are watching at home and want to catch up on what they're going to talk about in a few minutes. the financial times leads on the different approaches any politicians and businesses to try and get them to do more. they warned about the impact different countries approaches were having to the problems.
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the independent continues to focus on the parliamentary standards row and borisjohnson�*s absence from the commons today. the metro has the same headline having the headline and the prime minister, get me out of here. the guardian splash on keir starmer his criticism of the prime minister. the telegraph has figures suggesting as many as 11,000 people may have died from covid which they caught in hospital while they were there for other treatments. hospital while they were there for othertreatments. nai hospital while they were there for other treatments. nai has a lack of apology for the way that the government has handled. batch bench conservative mps for the prime minister to apologise and show some leadership. right. let us plunge in. sam, do you want to kick us off the evening with the front of the telegraph? does from covid, this is a story that the telegraph is six describing as an exclusive. yes. describing as an exclusive. yes, that carrying — describing as an exclusive. yes, that carrying out _ describing as an exclusive. yes, that carrying out in _ describing as an exclusive. yes that carrying out in investigation with the freedom of information request. from that they've worked out around 11,000 people died, well
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their deaths were linked to called to not covid, let's put it that way. it's understood they contracted covid after being admitted to hospital with other illnesses was obviously incredibly concerning that you go into a hospital to be treated for wanting and then catch covid and with tragic consequences. they quote a couple of mps including the former health secretary who says this actually strengthens the case for mandatory tax occasion to the mass vaccination for front line staff at the nhs bosses are incredibly concerned about the impact of that. it may be led to staff shortages. if you are a patient or a relative of a patient going to the hospital you won't be absolutely to certain that your loved one or yourself is getting care from somebody who is less likely to pass it on to you. jonathan, i should
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less likely to pass it on to you. jonathan, ishould imagine less likely to pass it on to you. jonathan, i should imagine the freedom of information cases are used, request sunak request rather, are used a lot byjournalism nowadays is it relatively easy to get information of this kind or is it something that takes quite a lot of time? it it something that takes quite a lot of time? . . it something that takes quite a lot of time? u, . ~ . it something that takes quite a lot of time? u, ., ~ ., ., ., of time? it can take a lot of time. there is legislation _ of time? it can take a lot of time. there is legislation in _ of time? it can take a lot of time. there is legislation in place - of time? it can take a lot of time. there is legislation in place which i there is legislation in place which means_ there is legislation in place which means if— there is legislation in place which means if you submit a request the organisation that you're speaking to should _ organisation that you're speaking to should provide you with the information and some of them do that _ information and some of them do that some — information and some of them do that. some organisations either play around _ that. some organisations either play around with the rules a little bit or simply— around with the rules a little bit or simply don't provide the information and kind of dare you to make _ information and kind of dare you to make a _ information and kind of dare you to make a complaint about them. it is a very valuable tool that journalists can usa — very valuable tool that journalists can usa i— very valuable tool that journalists can use. i think this is a an example— can use. i think this is a an example of the freedom of information working the way it's intended — information working the way it's intended. it seems the telegraph but it together some very important information this way. information that miaht information this way. information that might be _ information this way. information that might be useful— information this way. information that might be useful when - information this way. information that might be useful when we - information this way. information i that might be useful when we finally get the promised public inquiry
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started. do you want to take us onto the eyes? i suppose as a political editor this is a story that has been taking most of your time. yes. editor this is a story that has been taking most of your time.- taking most of your time. yes. to some extent _ taking most of your time. yes. to some extent they _ taking most of your time. yes. to some extent they have _ taking most of your time. yes. to some extent they have focused i taking most of your time. yes. to i some extent they have focused and taking most of your time. yes. to - some extent they have focused and in fact we _ some extent they have focused and in fact we will_ some extent they have focused and in fact we will see this in other papers — fact we will see this in other papers too, a lot of focus today on the debates that took place this afternoon in the house of commons on sleaze _ afternoon in the house of commons on sleaze and _ afternoon in the house of commons on sleaze and expenses and outside interests — sleaze and expenses and outside interests. which follows of course the ragged two resignation of owen patterson _ the ragged two resignation of owen patterson who resigned after it was found _ patterson who resigned after it was found he _ patterson who resigned after it was found he had lobbied on behalf of organisations that he was also receiving — organisations that he was also receiving payments from. the reason this particular debate took place this particular debate took place this afternoon has but lynette got some _ this afternoon has but lynette got some quite so much attention is he stayed _ some quite so much attention is he stayed away he had pressing in north cumberland hospital and failed to
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turn out — cumberland hospital and failed to turn out. npi reports a great deal of anger— turn out. npi reports a great deal of anger and criticism that has come the prime _ of anger and criticism that has come the prime ministers way. they quote keir starmer saying johnson has damaged — keir starmer saying johnson has damaged himself, dormant two damages party. damaged himself, dormant two damages party~ a _ damaged himself, dormant two damages party. a chief web reference to mark harper _ party. a chief web reference to mark harper who — party. a chief web reference to mark harper who says the prime minister should _ harper who says the prime minister should apologise. the fact that the pm failed _ should apologise. the fact that the pm failed to confront the issue head on, pm failed to confront the issue head on. he _ pm failed to confront the issue head on. he is _ pm failed to confront the issue head on, he is facing a bit of a crisis over— on, he is facing a bit of a crisis over this — on, he is facing a bit of a crisis over this issue and he seems to have made _ over this issue and he seems to have made a _ over this issue and he seems to have made a decision to stay away and not appear— made a decision to stay away and not appear in_ made a decision to stay away and not appear in the house of commons or champion— appear in the house of commons or champion himself not provide support for his— champion himself not provide support for his own _ champion himself not provide support for his own mps and ministers who are trying — for his own mps and ministers who are trying to deal with this mass. it's are trying to deal with this mass. it's really— are trying to deal with this mass. it's really made him and his behaviour the focus of attention today~ _ behaviour the focus of attention today. and that's what the cop26 is doing _ today. and that's what the cop26 is doing and _ today. and that's what the cop26 is doing and a — today. and that's what the cop26 is doing and a lot of people at west minister— doing and a lot of people at west minister are doing to. they're asking — minister are doing to. they're asking why they failed to turn up to this debate today. ? i. i�*m asking why they failed to turn up to this debate today. ? i.— this debate today. ? i. i'm sure ou've this debate today. ? i. i'm sure you've heard — this debate today. ? i. i'm sure you've heard of— this debate today. ? i. i'm sure you've heard of gordon - this debate today. ? i. i'm sure you've heard of gordon brown | you've heard of gordon brown sometime when he was chancellor that it was never there when the flock
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appeared. he was a bit like ts eliot it's may cavity. the prime minister would be slightly daft to stand up a4 opposition debate, is not that uncommon for prime ministers not to be there for our position day debates was up what is your reading of the criticism of borisjohnson, the government over the last seven days? the government over the last seven da s? ~ ., ., , ., days? what i found interesting today was obviously _ days? what i found interesting today was obviously there _ days? what i found interesting today was obviously there was _ days? what i found interesting today was obviously there was a _ days? what i found interesting today was obviously there was a lot - days? what i found interesting today was obviously there was a lot of - was obviously there was a lot of heat and rhetoric from the opposition side. but actually there was an awful lot of criticism within the tory ranks itself. asjonathan mentioned, mark harper the former chief web for the conservative party said that borisjohnson it really should have been there. you also had mark fletcher who is one of the 2019 errors, the so—called red bollards, one of the new intake and he stood
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up one of the new intake and he stood up and made a very powerful speech, i thought. he's actually a member of the standards committee. he talked about how important that committee is and how difficult it is to sit on that committee because you are sitting injudgement on that committee because you are sitting in judgement on your fellow mp. it's quite a task and not everybody wants to do it. some mps did a bit today. he said look, this is a really important process, you have to do it. he said that 0wen patterson would've begged to rise evenif patterson would've begged to rise even if it was a different system in place. even though he's only been there for two years and he's been told by some fellow mps only been here two years, you don't really know how this plays work. he said two years is long enough to know right from wrong. i thought it was a incredibly powerful intervention. very powerful probably won't have made him a lot of friends. ijust want to pick that point up, actually with you jonathan, do you have a
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sense yet of how this is playing in birmingham and maybe in the west midlands, black country and stuff like that? and some of the towns they turned in 2019, we talk a lot about the red wall in the north of england but there was some in the midlands. i think of a place like dudley when announced they would back, conservative. nota constituency that back, conservative. not a constituency that you back, conservative. nota constituency that you would not have thought of his tory leaning in the past. thought of his tory leaning in the ast. �* , ,., , thought of his tory leaning in the ast. ~,, , .,�* thought of his tory leaning in the ast. , , ., �* ., thought of his tory leaning in the ast, �* , , ., �* ., ., ., past. absolutely. you've heard a lot of marginal — past. absolutely. you've heard a lot of marginal seats _ past. absolutely. you've heard a lot of marginal seats which _ past. absolutely. you've heard a lot of marginal seats which have - past. absolutely. you've heard a lot of marginal seats which have been l of marginal seats which have been changing _ of marginal seats which have been changing hands. not all of a sudden has the _ changing hands. not all of a sudden has the 2019 but slowly switching from labour to tory sense 2005 or so, really — from labour to tory sense 2005 or so, really. including places like dudley— so, really. including places like dudley and warsaw too. the big question— dudley and warsaw too. the big question with an issue like this is weather— question with an issue like this is weather it's going to cut through as the saying — weather it's going to cut through as the saying goes, whether or not
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people — the saying goes, whether or not people are going to take an interest outside _ people are going to take an interest outside west minister, outside people — outside west minister, outside people involved injournalism and politics _ people involved injournalism and politics. but i suspect that they are, _ politics. but i suspect that they are, the — politics. but i suspect that they are, the feedback we get it from our readers _ are, the feedback we get it from our readers is _ are, the feedback we get it from our readers is there is a sense that there _ readers is there is a sense that there is— readers is there is a sense that there is some real soda sleaze and people _ there is some real soda sleaze and people even using languages snouts in the _ people even using languages snouts in the trough and all the language mps hate — in the trough and all the language mps hate to hear. it doesn't take a lot to _ mps hate to hear. it doesn't take a lot to get _ mps hate to hear. it doesn't take a lot to get people to use these phrases— lot to get people to use these phrases into talking this way. i think— phrases into talking this way. i think this _ phrases into talking this way. i think this is cutting through and i think— think this is cutting through and i think one — think this is cutting through and i think one of the questions that mps are going _ think one of the questions that mps are going to be asking themselves is is this— are going to be asking themselves is is thisjust _ are going to be asking themselves is is thisjust adding are going to be asking themselves is is this just adding to a sense that the sort — is this just adding to a sense that the sort of— is this just adding to a sense that the sort of sleaze amongst mps, west minister— the sort of sleaze amongst mps, west minister are generally witches if you many— minister are generally witches if you many mps that makes them think they're _ you many mps that makes them think they're all— you many mps that makes them think they're all in it together, so to speak — they're all in it together, so to speak 0r— they're all in it together, so to speak. orare we they're all in it together, so to speak. or are we getting into a situation — speak. or are we getting into a situation like we did back in the late 1990s and the last conservative
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government where it came to be seen as specifically a tory issue, an issue — as specifically a tory issue, an issue of— as specifically a tory issue, an issue of tory sleaze that labour is able to _ issue of tory sleaze that labour is able to capitalise on. i think people _ able to capitalise on. i think people are paying attention to this. sam, _ people are paying attention to this. sam, you're correct me if i'm wrong. is it my memory you grew up in doncaster?— is it my memory you grew up in doncaster? . , . , , ., doncaster? that is correct yes. you remember — doncaster? that is correct yes. you remember the _ doncaster? that is correct yes. you remember the government - doncaster? that is correct yes. you remember the government sleaze i doncaster? that is correct yes. you - remember the government sleaze rows that enveloped the late party. is keir starmer taking a risk when he says borisjohnson is leading the tory party to the sores? in the sense that every political party has individuals that do stuff that they may regret, present and eventually condemn. that is always the rest, isn't it? certainly you only have to look at last week to the former mp claudia webb for the labour party who was sentenced for quite an unpleasant threat to throw acid and
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somebodies face. it's not a comparable case, it's a different case but the point being that parliament is a microcosm of society and so you do get wrong on all sides. it's quite difficult for any party to stand up and be confident that none of the heirs have done anything wrong. nevertheless, he still had to get out there and capitalise on this was up is a leader of the opposition and that is hisjob. i think he had to go hard on this today. his job. i think he had to go hard on this today-— on this today. we've got another lovely story _ on this today. we've got another lovely story on — on this today. we've got another lovely story on the _ on this today. we've got another lovely story on the front - on this today. we've got another lovely story on the front of - on this today. we've got another lovely story on the front of the i lovely story on the front of the guardian. we will all feel some slight nervesjust guardian. we will all feel some slight nerves just reading, i think. the story about how we all need to go to bed a bit earlier.— the story about how we all need to go to bed a bit earlier. sam, do you want to tell — go to bed a bit earlier. sam, do you want to tell us _ go to bed a bit earlier. sam, do you want to tell us about _ go to bed a bit earlier. sam, do you want to tell us about that? - go to bed a bit earlier. sam, do you want to tell us about that? i'm - want to tell us about that? i'm really concerned about this because i did try to go to bed earlierfor a
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few years and actually it made my sleep far worse. so going to bed later actually helps me sleep better. it turns out reading the story that actually might be part damned if you do, damned if you don't. ., , , ., , damned if you do, damned if you don't. .,, , .,, ~ ., don't. problem is, as we know, correlation _ don't. problem is, as we know, correlation is _ don't. problem is, as we know, correlation is not _ don't. problem is, as we know, correlation is not necessarily i correlation is not necessarily causation. lots of correlations that sometimes feel like you're almost contradictory. the odd joke that have a glass of wine at night or certain number of glasses a week will make your heart stronger and then several glasses of wine a week will shorten your life. this is similar because they are saying — this is similar because they are saying to — this is similar because they are saying to go to bed too late but actually — saying to go to bed too late but actually also according to this story the _ actually also according to this story the devices don't go to bed too early — story the devices don't go to bed too early. so there's the magic time, — too early. so there's the magic time, the — too early. so there's the magic time, the time to go to bed is between _ time, the time to go to bed is between ten o'clock at 11 o'clock according to the study. but don't go to bed _ according to the study. but don't go to bed before ten or don't get too much _ to bed before ten or don't get too much beauty sleep because i might be bad for—
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much beauty sleep because i might be bad for you _ much beauty sleep because i might be bad for you too. not much beauty sleep because i might be bad for you too-— bad for you too. not that it's any use for either _ bad for you too. not that it's any use for either of _ bad for you too. not that it's any use for either of us _ bad for you too. not that it's any use for either of us being - use for either of us being here tonight. 0r indeed if you are watching us at home. stay with us if you possibly can. but if you really tired, perhaps you think about going to bed a bit earlier. if you do you can always watch us again online at hours to suit you better when you're up hours to suit you better when you're up bright and fresh in the morning. if you're staying with us, i'm very grateful. jonathan, do you want to take us to the ft? it's a tiny story but a story that has huge ramifications, potentially. according to the financial times talks— according to the financial times talks of— according to the financial times talks of the eu of a post brexit arrangements are basically not going as they— arrangements are basically not going as they should be. and the attention is turning _ as they should be. and the attention is turning to — as they should be. and the attention is turning to article 16 of the northern— is turning to article 16 of the northern island protocol. which would _ northern island protocol. which would basically mean that the uk breaks— would basically mean that the uk breaks away from so many agreements that it's _
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breaks away from so many agreements that it's made in terms of the brexit— that it's made in terms of the brexit agreement when we first left the elk _ brexit agreement when we first left the eu. now the uk and the eu, this is been— the eu. now the uk and the eu, this is been going on basically sense brexit — is been going on basically sense brexit. and the status of northern ireland _ brexit. and the status of northern ireland what can happen with northem— ireland what can happen with northern island, neither side seems able to— northern island, neither side seems able to agree. the only thing they can agree — able to agree. the only thing they can agree on is that there is potential— can agree on is that there is potential for disaster there if the protocol — potential for disaster there if the protocol breaks down. a lot of talk which _ protocol breaks down. a lot of talk which we _ protocol breaks down. a lot of talk which we hope and it may be overblown that this could threaten the peace — overblown that this could threaten the peace process in northern ireland — the peace process in northern ireland. but even if that doesn't happen, — ireland. but even if that doesn't happen, even if that's not true, the question— happen, even if that's not true, the question we — happen, even if that's not true, the question we just don't seem to be able to— question we just don't seem to be able to agree with the eu is what the final— able to agree with the eu is what the final status of northern ireland really— the final status of northern ireland really should be and whether the arrangements that are currently in place _ arrangements that are currently in place should be there permanently. or whether something needs to replace — or whether something needs to replace them. the trouble is that the two _ replace them. the trouble is that the two sides in this debate are
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