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will be matched by that words will be matched by actions, especially between the developed world and the developing world? you are watching bbc news. you're watching bbc news in the uk and around the world. welcome to glasgow and the cop26 negotiations — which are now in overtime, as negotiators from nearly 200 countries try to strike a deal on tackling climate change. a new draft agreement was published this morning. the cop president, alok sharma, had wanted the plenary session — that's when all nations give their verdict on the document — to start about 30 minutes ago, but it still hasn't. so what's in the latest draft agreement? here are some of the main points. most crucially, the reference to phasing out inefficient fossile fuel subsidies is still in the agreement. even after some countries reportedly
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wanted to remove it. the deal also asks all countries to upgrade their climate pledges next year, and rich countries are asked to double their climate adaptation finance by 2025 from 2019 levels. with more, here's our science and environment correspondent, rebecca morelle. from wildfires thatjust kept on burning, to devastating droughts as temperatures soared, and floods that destroyed homes and lives, extremes have become the new normal. so, at the climate talks in glasgow, can a deal be done to stop things getting worse? the talks in here have now gone into overtime, and negotiators have had yet another sleepless night. and this morning a third draft
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of a possible agreement has been published. the question is, can enough be done in the next few hours to finally push this over the line? so, we are on the third draft now of this cover agreement, and when the first draft came out we all said, oh, its got lots of things in it we haven't seen before, including reference to fossil fuels for the first time, reference to phasing out coal, reference to 1.5 degrees, reference to the challenge in 2030. it's all still in there in this third draft, and i have to say it's looking really positive for a strong conclusion at the end of glasgow. there are still some sticking points, though. one is whether countries should come back next year with better emissions cutting plans. some here want to delay this until 2025. what has been a real problem at this cop is we've arrived and we have an implementation gap, not enough has happened before, and so people are going, ok, it's a pledge, what does that really mean and are you going to actually deliver on it? so i think the next year has to be about delivery, delivery, delivery. there are also some issues for developing
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countries like bangladesh. they are facing the worst impacts of climate change, but it's not their greenhouse gases that have caused the problem, and they want richer nations to pay. rich countries created it, so they owe money. and they have actually promised money, they have promised $100 billion a year. and they haven't delivered it. in fact, they have inserted language, which is most peculiar language, saying they apologise that they haven't delivered it. what are they coming here to do? with the talks now well into extra time, the shutters are already going down on the conference centre. delegates are packed and ready to go home. everyone is hoping an agreement will be reached today, but there's still a lot of work to do. let's just take a look back inside
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the conference hall to see whether thatis the conference hall to see whether that is any sign of those delegates sitting down. a few people in their seats perhaps, it looks like we might be moving towards the speeches. this is the opportunity were the delegates from all the nations are able to make a short, time—limited speech, because there are a lot of people to get through. from those speeches we may get a sense, after all the hurdles in these holes, after all those conversations, trying to hammer out the final sticking points, have they reached a conclusion? i canjust see at the president of cop, alok sharma, saying they will start in one minute. we were expecting the plenary session to begin at that point, but he said there were still issues that people wanted to talk
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about, and he felt it was important to give them more time at this stage to give them more time at this stage to continue their discussions. his hope, obviously, that some final wrinkles in any agreement could be ironed out. but he was very clear that he wanted this deal to be done today. just because he said that, of course, it doesn't mean it will happen. but we well know more once we hear these speeches. we are already in overtime, this was supposed to have been done it yesterday, that was the official deadline for the end of cop26. but as with every previous cop, this has taken extra time. so we await to see whether the draft agreement which came out earlier today can now translate into a deal for the almost 200 countries gathered here. i have been discussing this afternoon that, really, thrust is a big thing at
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this point. we know that representatives of the developing world, disproportionately affected by climate change, although probably having done the least to contribute to it, they have wanted more from the wealthier nations, the more developed world, on finance. finance notjust going forward to deal with, to adapt to the consequences of climate change, but also something called loss and damage, a sum of money to do with the impacts of climate change that have already happened. as one might guess earlier so to me, money to allow people to get back on their feet so they can deal with whatever climate change might bring in the future. —— my guests said earlier to me. not everyone is going to get everything they want, there will be bits they
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will disagree with, but alok sharma said that there was something collectively in this package that moves things forward for everyone. well everyone agree with him? we are going to get a sense of up momentarily. i think we are already past that one minute. i know he has been trying to marshal people in this hall today to sit down so we can find out what they have to say. he wants to move this process forward, that is part of his job as the president of cop26. but, still, those huddles continue. wejust don't know whether there are some relatively minor things to be sorted out at this stage. when i say relatively minor, by that i mean the process of sorting them out. are we
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talking about some really big fundamental and tricky issues still to be sorted out? that may take a while yet before any agreement. we will keep a very close eye on whether that is going to start soon. let me bring in my next guest. i am joined now by ramon cruz, of the us environmental organisation the sierra club. we have seen a few images ofjohn carey, the us climate envoy, in various huddles in the hall layer. ——john kerry. no various huddles in the hall layer. —— john kerry. no think people various huddles in the hall layer. ——john kerry. no think people in the us have been communicated to enough about what the key issues
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here at cop26, especially for countries and the less developed world and what they want from countries like the us? i world and what they want from countries like the us?- world and what they want from countries like the us? i think in the us, countries like the us? i think in the us. peeple _ countries like the us? i think in the us, people definitely - countries like the us? i think in the us, people definitely don'tl the us, people definitely don't understand this issue, otherwise we would have passed very sorrowfully the build back better agenda of president biden last week. we are looking at this coming week to pass that. that is the biggest package of climate mitigation and actions that we have seen in history. that is very much connected here, because the us of course plays a big role, as the us is trying to regain the trust of the global community. that is of course also very important for the future of the paris agreement. we have seen here how the united states is back in the game, it is negotiating. but of course in terms
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of the global community, we are not nearly as far as we should be. people drowned in their basements in new york a few months ago after a hurricane. 0ur climate editor has been reporting on the wildfires that have decimated entire towns and let people homeless. i guess four people in the us they are very much front and centre dealing with the climate crisis at home. to what extent do they wantjohn kerry, and whatever deal emerges here, to focus on them rather than the rest of the world? i don't think it's a question of either or, it is and. this is a global issue, it is not only an issue in the us. a month ago, there was an article in the nature magazine that estimated 85% of the world population has already experienced the consequences of
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climate change. what we are seeing in the us, the wildfires, all these headway is, the effect of stronger hurricanes, we see it all over the world. it is important to do it domestically in the us, to be aggressive about it, but it is equally important to provide the resources for the rest of the global community, especially at the most vulnerable countries that should have not only a way to mitigate the problem, but also to adapt and have certainly the loss and damage issue thatis certainly the loss and damage issue that is such a big deal for many vulnerable communities. to what extent do you — vulnerable communities. to what extent do you think— vulnerable communities. to what extent do you think at _ vulnerable communities. to what extent do you think at this - vulnerable communities. to what extent do you think at this cop . vulnerable communities. to what i extent do you think at this cop the real pressure is coming from the people, not from the politicians? we have people, not from the politicians? - have seen all over the world, with the young generation, the new generation, how clear their thinking is. how urgent they are expressing,
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with their fridays for the future. we saw last week in glasgow, over 100,000 people in the rain. the call is clear, the ngo community, the civil society is very much present here and putting pressure especially on those countries that have produced this hollow problem for humanity. produced this hollow problem for humani . ., ~ ,, produced this hollow problem for humani . ., ~' . produced this hollow problem for humani . ., . �* humanity. thank you so much, i'm auoin to humanity. thank you so much, i'm going to wind _ humanity. thank you so much, i'm going to wind up — humanity. thank you so much, i'm going to wind up our _ humanity. thank you so much, i'm going to wind up our conversation | going to wind up our conversation now because it looks like less plenary session is getting under way. here is alok sharma. let’s plenary session is getting under way. here is alok sharma. let's get on with the — way. here is alok sharma. let's get on with the informal _ way. here is alok sharma. let's get on with the informal stock-taking i on with the informal stock—taking plenary. friends, we have had months of vital discussions. we have had
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two incredibly intense weeks of negotiation in glasgow, and we arrive at what i believe is the moment of truth. this is the of truth for our planet and it's a moment of truth for our children and our grand children. you all know that the world is willing is willing is on to be bold, to be ambitious, and so much rests on the decisions that we collectively take today. but you know that already. so let me start first by thanking you, once again, from the bottom of my heart for your hard work, which for some is the culmination of several years of efforts. i am deeply grateful to the facilitators who have helped us to shift gears and make progress this week. i would also like to thank my team for their intense efforts to convert the fruits of
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yesterday's discussions into revised texts overnight issued under my authority as president. these texts are now clean and we believe that they are the product of a transparent, inclusive and party driven process, and has been founded on listening and a search for consensus. they had been co—created with you, they have been revised, they have been tested, and they have been revised once again. can ijust say, france, very candidly that you all know the nature of these negotiations. as presidency, we have effectively had to take into account and balance the views of almost 200 parties. i completely understand that parties sometimes have different priorities. and yet we all ultimately have to sign up to the same agreement. i hope, however, that you share my view that taken
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together, these latest iterations represent the comprehensive, and set of outcomes that you collectively called for in yesterday's in yesterday's informal plenary, and indeedin yesterday's informal plenary, and indeed in the intense discussions which ran into the early hours of this morning. outcomes that serve to keep within the reach of the paris temperature goal, of limiting global warming to well below 2 degrees and pursue efforts to limit warming to 1.5 within reach. outcomes that will facilitate the rapid scale above action and support on adaptation, that lay the ground for mobilising the increase climate finance needed to achieve the goals of the paris agreement, and that elevate the importance of other outing, minimising and addressing loss and damage, including through strength and institutional arrangements. we are all well aware that, collectively, our climate ambition and action to date have fallen short
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of delivering on the promises made in paris. unfortunately, these texts recognise this and set out a clear response. —— importantly, these techs. whilst many will call for acts was to go even further, these decisions i believe set out tangible neck steps and very clear milestones to get us on track and to meet the goals of the paris agreement. across each of the free policy of this process, mitigation, adaptation and finance. they are guided by equity and common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities in the light of different circumstances. importantly, different circumstances. importa ntly, these different circumstances. importantly, these texts also provide a way forward on the three outstanding elements of the paris rule book, common timeframes, the enhance transparency framework and article six. consensus on these issues, friends, have evaded is far,
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far too long. the days text reflects the compromise reached through the effort, collaboration and civil discourse of each and every of you. once adopted, they will facilitate the full and effective implementation of the paris agreement. these texts, along with decisions already adopted, respond to the unprecedented agenda that we faced coming into this conference and demonstrate that parties came to glasgow to deliver on their mandates, leaving no issue behind. we have reached a criticaljuncture, where we must come together and bring our hard work to a successful conclusion. you are all skilled negotiators and you are committed champions of us national interests, and i respect that. of course we are at that stage in negotiation with you and your delegations may be
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asking yourself whether you can leveraged this moment to deliver more for your country, your region or your group. more for your country, your region oryourgroup. i more for your country, your region oryour group. i implore you not more for your country, your region or your group. i implore you not to. please do not ask yourself what more you can seek, but ask instead what is enough? is this package balanced? does it provide enough for all of us? you have to ask yourself whether taken together these texts represent a third balance for your government, for all parties, and with the progress being made on all issues. most importantly, please ask yourselves whether ultimately these texts deliver for all our people and our planet. we know that the climate crisis is a truly global challenge,
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and ensuring the cop26 outcomes much of the scale and urgency of the situation as our shared responsibility. as i said at the start of this confidence, we will succeed orfail as one. so i propose that we will shortly adjourn this informal plenary to enable the finalisation of documents, and that we meet again this afternoon for the final closing plan of the kop, the cmp and the sea as i said earlier, we do want to conclude this cop this afternoon. friends, the world is watching us. they are willing us to reach an agreement here for the sake of our planet and for present and future generations. i believe that the text before you deliver on the expectations and the priorities that you have communicated to my team and to me over the past two years, and
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they do so in a balanced manner, leaving no issue and no party behind. i invite you tojoin together this afternoon to bring this collective effort to a successful conclusion. to demonstrate that unity of purpose that our leaders at the start of the summit and people across the world demand. so what i would like to propose is that we now adjourn this meeting. i see that there are a number of parties that would like to make interventions. could i please request colleagues to keep the interventions brief. i know that there are important issues that everybody wants to raise, but i think the time for the general
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statements are over, and i say that very respectfully. of course we will take interventions that are being requested, but please do so recognising that we want to try and finish today. with that, i see that guinea wants to take the floor. i invite guinea to take the floor. thank you mr president, secretary, colleagues — thank you mr president, secretary, colleagues. the republic of guinea has the _ colleagues. the republic of guinea has the honour of speaking in behalf of g7~ _ has the honour of speaking in behalf of g7. thank you, mr president, for presenting — of g7. thank you, mr president, for presenting your draft text. with respect — presenting your draft text. with respect to the cma and cop decision, we appreciate the recognition that
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action— we appreciate the recognition that action on— we appreciate the recognition that action on this critical decade is on the basis — action on this critical decade is on the basis of— action on this critical decade is on the basis of the best available scientific— the basis of the best available scientific knowledge and equity, reflecting common but differentiated responsibilites and respective responsibilities in light of different national circumstances in the context of sustainable development. this is consistent with paris agreement and the convention. on article _ paris agreement and the convention. on article six, share of proceeds for the _ on article six, share of proceeds for the abdication, this has been a very important issue, with parties having _ very important issue, with parties having spent much time and energy on trying _ having spent much time and energy on trying to— having spent much time and energy on trying to find a solution that can work_ trying to find a solution that can work for— trying to find a solution that can work for all. the g 77 and china members — work for all. the g 77 and china members have consulted at ministerial level. it is important
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for the — ministerial level. it is important for the entire group that all concerns— for the entire group that all concerns are appropriately reflected. on a loss and damage, we are pleased — reflected. on a loss and damage, we are pleased with the progress in terms _ are pleased with the progress in terms of— are pleased with the progress in terms of agreement on the functions of the _ terms of agreement on the functions of the santiago network. this is a solid _ of the santiago network. this is a solid outcome of cop26 in terms of loss and _ solid outcome of cop26 in terms of loss and damage issues. the spirit of solidarity, flexibility and compromise showing by all parties in the negotiating room to move the issues _ the negotiating room to move the issues forward in solidarity with the people and the community suffering loss and damage from the adverse _ suffering loss and damage from the adverse effect of climate change is the spirit _ adverse effect of climate change is the spirit that we must maintain. however. —
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the spirit that we must maintain. however, the group expresses its extreme — however, the group expresses its extreme disappointment with paragraph 73 and a 74, on a dialogue related _ paragraph 73 and a 74, on a dialogue related to _ paragraph 73 and a 74, on a dialogue related to loss and damage. this is very far— related to loss and damage. this is very far from the concrete call for a toss _ very far from the concrete call for a toss and — very far from the concrete call for a loss and damage facilities that the group came together to seek here in glasgow _ the group came together to seek here in glasgow. but in the spirit of compromise, we will be able to live with these — compromise, we will be able to live with these paragraphs with the understanding that it does not reflect — understanding that it does not reflect or— understanding that it does not reflect or prejudge the inequitable outcome _ reflect or prejudge the inequitable outcome that we seek and finance for finance _ outcome that we seek and finance for finance and _ outcome that we seek and finance for finance and damage to reach the most vulnerable _ finance and damage to reach the most vulnerable. the group of 77 and china _ vulnerable. the group of 77 and china will— vulnerable. the group of 77 and china will continue to pursue. to this end. — china will continue to pursue. to this end, we understand that the dialogue — this end, we understand that the dialogue referred in paragraph 73
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and 74— dialogue referred in paragraph 73 and 74 has the end goal of the establishment of a facility. we are also duck— establishment of a facility. we are also duck present at the loss and damage — also duck present at the loss and damage paragraph in the cop... on finance, _ damage paragraph in the cop... on finance, as— damage paragraph in the cop... on finance, as we have stressed before. a cop _ finance, as we have stressed before. a cop without a complete outcome on finance _ a cop without a complete outcome on finance cannot be deemed a success. we appreciate the balance that has been achieved in this text with respect — been achieved in this text with respect to the process for our continued _ respect to the process for our continued work on the issues of finance — continued work on the issues of finance. we also... in the fulfilment of the existing 100 bittion— fulfilment of the existing 100 billion commitment to developing
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countries — billion commitment to developing countries in work in relation to the global— countries in work in relation to the gtohal goat— countries in work in relation to the global goal adaptation, we appreciate the text logically to your work programme on the global -oal your work programme on the global goal adaptation that we have called for. goal adaptation that we have called for~ what _ goal adaptation that we have called for. what on this issue has been too lon- for. what on this issue has been too long delayed and this needs to be fast tracked to insert a work programme. on transparency, we appreciate _ programme. on transparency, we appreciate the hard work that has been _ appreciate the hard work that has been done to arrive at the balance that reflects the views of various parties — that reflects the views of various parties. thank you very much, distinguished chair. thank you, guinea, for your intervention. china 64. i give the floor to china. —— china seeks the
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floor. translation: we have come with all sincerity, _ translation: we have come with all sincerity, based on the science, based _ sincerity, based on the science, based on — sincerity, based on the science, based on the rules and mandate of the conventions of the paris agreement. we have fully consulted with all— agreement. we have fully consulted with all parties, put forward constructive views and opinions and have showing great flexibility. in this final— have showing great flexibility. in this final phase, china is willing to spare — this final phase, china is willing to spare no effort to work with all the parties — to spare no effort to work with all the parties to move in at the same
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direction, — the parties to move in at the same direction, build convergence, jointly— direction, build convergence, jointly support the conference, jointly— jointly support the conference, jointly support the conference, jointly support the conference, jointly support the president to reach _ jointly support the president to reach the conference so that the conference can reach a balance, inclusive — conference can reach a balance, inclusive and strong outcome that will strengthen the implementation of the _ will strengthen the implementation of the convention and the paris agreement. in order to promote the success— agreement. in order to promote the success of— agreement. in order to promote the success of the conference, we would like to _ success of the conference, we would like to offer— success of the conference, we would like to offer a few constructive points — like to offer a few constructive points. first, maintain balance. we thank— points. first, maintain balance. we thankthe _ points. first, maintain balance. we thank the president for listening to the views— thank the president for listening to the views and consultations of parties — the views and consultations of parties yesterday and are coming up with a _ parties yesterday and are coming up with a new_ parties yesterday and are coming up with a new text today, which is improved — with a new text today, which is improved and upgraded over the previous— improved and upgraded over the previous version. we appreciate the president _ previous version. we appreciate the president for his efforts. china believes— president for his efforts. china believes that we should continue to
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deal with— believes that we should continue to deal with mitigation, adaptation and assistance _ deal with mitigation, adaptation and assistance in a balanced manner. but here too— assistance in a balanced manner. but here too the — assistance in a balanced manner. but here too the principles of moderation, pragmatism and balance, and fully— moderation, pragmatism and balance, and fully listen to the views of all parties _ and fully listen to the views of all parties. second, focus on the key points _ parties. second, focus on the key points we — parties. second, focus on the key points. we noted that there are still differences on some issues. currently. — still differences on some issues. currently, this text is by no means perfect _ currently, this text is by no means perfect but— currently, this text is by no means perfect. but we have no intention to open _ perfect. but we have no intention to open the _ perfect. but we have no intention to open the text again. we believe there _ open the text again. we believe there should be edits in small ways, m paragraph number22, for instance. we advise _ m paragraph number22, for instance. we advise in— m paragraph number22, for instance. we advise in this paragraph, which clearly— we advise in this paragraph, which clearly add — we advise in this paragraph, which clearly add more explanations, for instance. — clearly add more explanations, for instance, we noted the report of the
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ipcc instance, we noted the report of the ipcc so _ instance, we noted the report of the ipcc so that — instance, we noted the report of the ipcc so that the expression of the text can _ ipcc so that the expression of the text can be — ipcc so that the expression of the text can be more accurate. about paragraph — text can be more accurate. about paragraph 36, china suggests that certain— paragraph 36, china suggests that certain expressions can follow the china-us— certain expressions can follow the china—usjoint certain expressions can follow the china—us joint declaration certain expressions can follow the china—usjoint declaration in china—us joint declaration in glasgow _ china—usjoint declaration in glasgow. the joint declaration last month— glasgow. the joint declaration last month and — glasgow. the joint declaration last month and the related expressions from the _ month and the related expressions from the 620 conference, so that all parties _ from the 620 conference, so that all parties can— from the 620 conference, so that all parties can accept these expressions. third, we should meet each other— expressions. third, we should meet each other halfway. we have noted that all— each other halfway. we have noted that all parties have their own concerns— that all parties have their own concerns in core issues. china hopes that all— concerns in core issues. china hopes that all parties, will show maximum flexibility— that all parties, will show maximum flexibility and constructive nurse at this— flexibility and constructive nurse at this final stage. the final outcome _ at this final stage. the final outcome should be acceptable to all
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