developing. it's been moving gradually south. wet and windy weather across the north—west of the uk, pushing southwards and eastwards overnight. it is the far south—east of england that stays with the clearer skies and it is here that temperatures will fall lowest overnight. most other places frost free, but from the word go, a windy day. the northerly winds driving in a mix of sunshine and blustery heavy showers. particularly across northern and central parts of scotland, that will be falling as snow. blizzard conditions when you add on the strength of the wind. it will be particularly windy across the east of scotland and the north—east of england where we have an amberwarning in north—east of england where we have an amber warning in force through into saturday morning, so the winds could reach 70 mph or more. storm arwenjust drifting could reach 70 mph or more. storm arwen just drifting south in the north sea, and we will see the strong northerly winds driving in further showers through friday night and on into saturday. so another really windy day, winds up to 50

mph, and some scattered, potentially wintry showers, so it won't be particularly warm. but when you add on the wind, it will feel really freezing out there this weekend. sarah, thanks. that's it. goodbye from me, now for the news where you are. have a very good evening. i can't stop thinking about those people and their families and their loved ones. they left their families hoping for a betterfuture. we'll talk to those in power on both sides of the channel, as they search for solutions to prevent further tragedies. if it needs more people on the ground and at sea to stop the crossings, then we've made that offer.

and we'll hear from the people who live and work here, on the front line of the cross—channel migrant crisis. a majority of them are seriously looking for somewhere to stay, but here... it's putting pressure on the governments here, local councils. we just can't say, "oh, yeah, another loss, another boat." i mean, it's people who are fleeing for their lives. good evening, and welcome to viewers from the bbc news channel. we're in dover, a town that looks out on the channel. you can see the coast of france from here, but that short, cold stretch of water has just claimed the lives of water has just claimed the lives of 27 people. three of them were children of seven were women, one of whom was pregnant, and 17 were men. two others are critically ill

in a french hospital. many times on this programme, we've described the journey that record numbers have taken this year in small inflatable boats as "dangerous" and "perilous", this but tragedy boats as "dangerous" and "perilous", but this tragedy has brought that fact into an awful, sharp focus. everyone agrees this should be a wake up call, but there's very little agreement on what should happen to stop more deaths. we are going to be exploring in the next half hour some of those options open to the british and french governments. but first, simonjones reports on a scale of tragedy the channel has bever seen since small boat crossings started to increase in 2018. new arrivals in dover this morning, people who had risked their lives in freezing temperatures and choppy seas in the early hours despite yesterday's tragedy in the channel. this man travelled to the uk

from afghanistan aged 12. he told me the deaths at sea have brought back painful memories. last night, i struggled to sleep because it reminded me of my own experience in the mediterranean back in 2007, about 1k years ago. and my boat was about to be capsized. and i know how that feels, coming face—to—face with death, and i can't stop thinking about those people and their families and their loved ones. they left their families, hoping for a better future. 0n dover seafront, a memorial to people who have lost their lives attempting to cross the channel. now, 27 more people to remember — 17 men, seven women and three children. it's beyond horrific. i can't even fathom how tragic it is. i mean, if you think how cold the water would have been, the chances are it would've been getting dark... the final moments would have been absolutely terrifying. but more boats arriving today? i think itjust goes to show, and these people would have known that 30 people died trying to make the crossing yesterday,

if that isn't enough of a deterrent, then nothing will be. last november, 757 people reached the uk by boat. this year, it's more than 6,000, bringing the arrivals for this year to around 26,000. the reality is this has now become an all—year—round route for the people smugglers organising the crossings, because it is so lucrative. it's thought migrants are paying around £3,000 each to get on board a boat, the smugglers accused of trading in human misery. there are now calls for images like these to bring about permanent change. some people, although sympathetic, will say, "why do people need to get in a boat in the first place when france is a safe country?" france is a safe country, and people do stay in france, double the number of people make a claim for asylum in france, three times more in germany, more in greece and spain than they do in the uk.

that is the reality. and what we need to do is do what we've done for generations, where we've always given people who have fled torture and persecution the opportunity to come to our country, to be refugees. and the fear is, as we approach winter, more lives will be lost at sea. simon jones, bbc south east today, dover. politicians on both sides of the channel have expressed their sorrow today. but they have continued to argue about what we should do next to prevent more deaths. the french president emmanuel macron says he won't allow the channel to become a cemetery, but he's resisting efforts for british officers to take part in beach patrols in northern france. 0ur political editor charlotte wright reports. my my worry is that as winter approaches, there will be deaths and

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crossings this year has passed 25,000. you can see it is significant higher than in previous years, and data released today shows more than 37,500 asylum plans are made in september, the highest in years. the uk has pledged £a million for france to patrol its coastline and it recently offered to staff these shifts too. recently offered to staff these shifts too-— recently offered to staff these shifts too. . ., ., shifts too. the french are doing these themselves, _ shifts too. the french are doing these themselves, we - shifts too. the french are doing these themselves, we have - shifts too. the french are doing - these themselves, we have offered financial support to do it. if it needs more people on the ground, we have made that offer. the needs more people on the ground, we have made that offer.— have made that offer. the french say the deal will — have made that offer. the french say the deal will not _ have made that offer. the french say the deal will not work. _ have made that offer. the french say the deal will not work. more - have made that offer. the french say the deal will not work. more money |

the deal will not work. more money or more police _ the deal will not work. more money or more police officers... _ the deal will not work. more money or more police officers... it - or more police officers... it will not change _ or more police officers... it will not change anything, because we have 200 km _ not change anything, because we have 200 km of— not change anything, because we have 200 km of sure to monitor 24/7 and it only— 200 km of sure to monitor 24/7 and it only takes — 200 km of sure to monitor 24/7 and it only takes the smugglers 20 minules— it only takes the smugglers 20 minutes to load a boat with migrants. minutes to load a boat with migrants-— minutes to load a boat with miarants. , , ., , migrants. the... this year, 'ust five people fl migrants. the... this year, 'ust five people have i migrants. the... this year, 'ust five people have been �* migrants. the... this year, just five people have been returned| five people have been returned compared to several hundred in previous years. the government says its new nationality and borders bill, with measures like a maximum life sentence for people smugglers, will help make the route unviable. critics say we should be making it easier to claim asylum in the uk, not harder. easier to claim asylum in the uk, not harder-— easier to claim asylum in the uk, not harder. ., , _, ., _, not harder. people coming are coming from or turn — not harder. people coming are coming from or turn zones, _ not harder. people coming are coming from or turn zones, and _ —— war—torn zones, an area captured by the taliban, there rushing over. we can cope with processing those people, but the government needs to put more resources towards doing that. ., , .,

put more resources towards doing that. . , ., ., . that. last night uk and france aareed that. last night uk and france agreed to _ that. last night uk and france agreed to step _ that. last night uk and france agreed to step up _ that. last night uk and france agreed to step upjoint - that. last night uk and france agreed to step upjoint efforts| that. last night uk and france i agreed to step upjoint efforts to agreed to step up joint efforts to stop the crossings, but as both keep coming, and asylum claims are rising, ora coming, and asylum claims are rising, or a government that campaigned for a brexit promising to secure britain's borders, political pressure to tackle this issue has never been higher. charlotte wright, bbc south east today. let's discuss some of that with the mp for dover natalie elphicke. thank you very much forjoining us this evening. that admission from the home secretary today that there is no fast fix to this problem, that is her admitting, no fast fix to this problem, that is heradmitting, is it no fast fix to this problem, that is her admitting, is it not, that her offer to shut down the route by 2020 was impossible?— offer to shut down the route by 2020 was impossible? what we heard today from the home _ was impossible? what we heard today from the home secretary _ was impossible? what we heard today from the home secretary is _ was impossible? what we heard today from the home secretary is that - was impossible? what we heard today from the home secretary is that she l from the home secretary is that she was talking about that long—term solution to deal with the international migration and she was also talking about shorter—term solutions to the situation, the small boat crossings, and that is about giving assistance to france. i very much hope we will see president macron taking that assistance up. we

have got to put an end to that dangerous route. what the government is changing the law and we have heard a lot about that today, but as we have just heard, one of the b problems is the slow we have just heard, one of the b problems is the slov_ we have just heard, one of the b problems is the slow pace at which we process — problems is the slow pace at which we process asylum _ problems is the slow pace at which we process asylum applications - problems is the slow pace at which | we process asylum applications and the lack of people we sent back to where they came from compared to other countries, like france. that needs fixing, does it not? it is vital we have _ needs fixing, does it not? it is vital we have quick _ needs fixing, does it not? it 3 vital we have quick processing, and it is vital, the changes coming forward, but we do notjust one quick processing, we do not want people arriving here illegally in the first place that is dangerous. the problem is, the government _ place that is dangerous. the problem is, the government has _ place that is dangerous. the problem is, the government has set _ place that is dangerous. the problem is, the government has set down - is, the government has set down routes to other people tonight. they are contemplating coming here this way because they have no other options. way because they have no other 0 tions. ., , way because they have no other otions. .,, , ., , way because they have no other otions. , ., , , options. people should be staying in france. options. people should be staying in france- they — options. people should be staying in france. they should _ options. people should be staying in france. they should not _ options. people should be staying in france. they should not be - options. people should be staying in france. they should not be making l france. they should not be making this perilous journey across the channel. it is dangerous, people are losing their lives, and people need

to ask for assistance in france and other countries before france. it is not safe to come across the channel and we need to make that clear. unfortunately, people have made that journey today, despite this huge tragedy that unfolded here last night. 0ne tragedy that unfolded here last night. one more question about the tone of this debate. the bishop of dover is one of the many people today saying it is time to change the war of words, and many, you and many of your fellow politicians, have been accusing the french are not doing enough. is it time to change the tone of this debate? we have change the tone of this debate? - have seen is time to take more action, and that action needs to start on the french side. they're coming from the french beaches. it is vital we work with france. we have offered that help and i very much hope france will take up the offer. make sure people are not entering the water in the first place.

entering the water in the first lace. ., ., , ., entering the water in the first lace. . ., , ., place. that does not quite sound like a change _ place. that does not quite sound like a change in _ place. that does not quite sound like a change in tone, _ place. that does not quite sound like a change in tone, natalie . like a change in tone, natalie elphicke, but thank you so much for joining us. so why is it so difficult to find a long—term solution to the migrant crisis, despite years of tough talk on both sides of the channel? amanda akass has been looking for the answers to some of the most frequent questions on cross—channel migration. one of the most regular questions we're asked is, why can't the government just send migrants straight back to france? but since brexit, we're no longer part of the eu scheme known as the dublin agreement, which sees migrants returned to the member state they first arrived in. and without help from other countries, government's options are limited. it's compelled, under the refugee convention, to hear asylum claims from people. it's compelled, under international law, to rescue people in distress at sea. some people, although they would like us simply to be able to apprehend these boats and dump the migrants back off in france, the only issue there is that that would entail invasion of france.

many people ask whether border force can turn migrant boats around in the channel. it's a tactic that has been authorised by the home secretary, but only if it's clear that lives won't be put at risk. it strikes me that it's potentially in breach of maritime law. and if i was a captain of a ship or a border force official trying to attempt this sort of manoeuvre, i'd be very worried that if a boat capsized and someone drowned, i'd be potentially gripping the brass rail in the dock. some people have questioned why the uk isn't processing asylum—seekers in another country, as is the case in australia. the home office has introduced new legislation to make this possible, but so far, no agreements have been made. all of these solutions take a lot of money, i land it would take a lot of money| to pay the receiving government, to build the infrastructure, - to staff it, but it's certainly not a quick fix, it's not an easy fix and it's not cheap. - 0thers ask why we don't set up new legal routes for people to reach the uk safely, without having to take

to the water at all. the government argues france is a safe country and says people should claim asylum there. that is a solution that the government does not support. if we look around the world, there are very few countries that do, and that's because they expect, quite reasonably, that that would lead to a substantial increase in asylum application. the final question is, what makes the uk so attractive for migrants? many are trying to meet up with family members or speak english, but some experts argue the appeal is also down to our slow asylum process and labour laws. right now, you can expectl to spend eight to ten years making your way through the system. and then even when you finish the system, you're still not. going to be arrested and moved in anything like a _ quick space of time. we don't have the infrastructure to know exactly who's in the country and where they are, in the same way that many european countries have. we don't have the same bureaucracy around labour laws

that we do in france, for example, and so there is a draw in that respect. we need to try and address the reasons why people are drawn to come to the uk in this way and to risk their lives in doing so. many questions and no simple solutions to the crisis which is costing so many lives. amanda akass, bbc south east today. let's get the view from france now. let's speak to christophe premat, who's a former politician for the french socialist party. thank you very much forjoining us this evening. first of all of this suggestion that's being made by the british that the french are resisting our offer of allowing our officials to patrol your beaches and stock these potentially fatal crossings. it stock these potentially fatal crossings-— stock these potentially fatal crossinus. . , . , , crossings. it always always been the same, this question _ crossings. it always always been the same, this question that _ crossings. it always always been the same, this question that the - crossings. it always always been the same, this question that the british | same, this question that the british government addressed with france regarding the situation of these people, of the refugees and migrants and so on. they say, yes, we send you money, and you have to patrol

your coast, and it is this discourse here, the french official should do theirjob, but it is impossible to patrol the coast and make sure that nobody takes the route, so this kind of obtuse kitchen won't lead anywhere. we could have morejoint cooperation on the ground, i agree with that, but we should ignore the other reasons that expend those tragedies —— should not ignore. another accusation levelled at the french authorities say is that they are standing by, watching, boats leaving, some with children on board, trying to make the journey to britain. i board, trying to make the “ourney to britain. , ., , board, trying to make the “ourney to britain. , . , , . , britain. i understand these pictures can be shocking. — britain. i understand these pictures can be shocking, and _ britain. i understand these pictures can be shocking, and i— britain. i understand these pictures can be shocking, and i know - britain. i understand these pictures can be shocking, and i know why i britain. i understand these pictures i can be shocking, and i know why they do that, but sometimes you think policeman just arrest people like that, trying to stop them. they have some instructions and sometimes you

have this feeling of frustration because they cannot do anything. it was the same thing when they came to the camp of calais, migrants, the refugees, those who depended on the dublin convention, who can have asylum and so on. it is very hard on the ground, because i must say, that is the most difficult task for police officers to do that. what is the solution _ police officers to do that. what is the solution from _ police officers to do that. what is the solution from your— police officers to do that. what is the solution from your point - police officers to do that. what is the solution from your point of. the solution from your point of view? ., . ' ~' , the solution from your point of view? ., ., , ,, , ., view? you have different kinds of solutions- — view? you have different kinds of solutions. you _ view? you have different kinds of solutions. you won't _ view? you have different kinds of solutions. you won't have - view? you have different kinds of solutions. you won't have a - view? you have different kinds of| solutions. you won't have a magic solutions. you won't have a magic solution for tomorrow for sure, but on the ground, you need to have more understanding on both sides of what is going on, how the situation is, you have to understand the refugees and the migrants and so on, because if you don't know what has happened, you won't be able to have any public policy that is sufficient, and the last one is to establish a joint

cooperation, a long—term perspective. that was the case when david cameron and nicholas r because he had this meeting in 2010 —— sarkozy. he had this meeting in 2010 -- sarko . ~ ., ., ., sarkozy. we will have to leave it there, sarkozy. we will have to leave it there. but _ sarkozy. we will have to leave it there, but thank _ sarkozy. we will have to leave it there, but thank you, _ sarkozy. we will have to leave it | there, but thank you, christophe premat, forjoining us this evening. people here in dover are at the front line of the cross—channel migrant crisis, and they've become accustomed to seeing migrants brought ashore here on a daily basis. my colleague sara smith is in the town centre. you have been getting reaction from people who live and work your to this awful tragedy yesterday. yes, and there's been nothing but sadness for the people involved, the individuals who lost their lives, the human tragedy, and a cry of as we have heard so many times over the past 2a hours for something to be done and also exasperation that it

seems that governments on either side of the channel are unable to stop people from making this deadly crossing. life goes on as normal here, as it must — a life so many have risked everything to share in a place they wanted to call home. in the barbers, david said he wanted to speak up for those lost. ijust feel the need to help people who are in desperate need, instead ofjust sending them back and letting them die in them dinghies. luke, here to get a haircut in preparation for his first professional boxing match, hadn't heard what had happened until we spoke. it's sad. it is sad. i mean, we're fortunate and very lucky to sort of be born in this country and things, you know? so i understand why people put their lives at risk... i mean, if it was me, i'd probably try and do the same, so it's sad, but then there must be another way, you know? compassion came first

from everyone we met today, solutions harder to find. what are your thoughts towards those who are trying to cross? i feel sorry for them. you know, a majority of them are seriously looking for somewhere to stay. but here... it's putting on pressure on the governments here, and local councils, putting people up and everything like that, but it's just a difficult one. i mean, i've got no solution for it. i mean, i don't think many people have. i mean, obviously the government haven't, so... 0n the ground, i don't feel i can do anything, but those that we voted for, they're the ones who need to do something. it does make it more urgent. i think that was the urgency, | i think, i got the impression. we can'tjust say, "oh, - another loss, another boat." it's people who are i fleeing for their lives. from a humanitarian point of view, terrible. it's desperate people and i think we're all very upset that

people are reduced to that kind of desperation. what's the solution? the solution is to have controlled migration routes, so that people don't have to make those routes to make their asylum claims. it is devastating. obviously, i know lots of people have their opinions on the situation, but you've just got to remember they are human beings, so honestly it is devastating to hear about it and something does need to be done. any idea what that should be? no, but as long as we make sure that we're keeping in mind that these are families, these are children, these are mothers, these are fathers... we just need to help them. of course that was just a snapshot of the town centre today, but there was this real feeling of sympathy and a feeling that people's overall thoughts about immigration, which have been so divisive, have been put completely to one side for now at

least. sara, thank you. bridget chapman of the kent refugee action network is here with me. thank you forjoining us this evening. we have heard this programme, people all upset about what happened yesterday, but the people saying the only answer is to get tougher on how we patrol our borders, to stop further tragedies like this. we borders, to stop further tragedies like this. ~ ., borders, to stop further tragedies like this. ~ . , , ., like this. we have been trying to net like this. we have been trying to get tougher _ like this. we have been trying to get tougher and _ like this. we have been trying to get tougher and tougher - like this. we have been trying to get tougher and tougher and - like this. we have been trying to - get tougher and tougher and tougher, we had one death and when a family die, now we have had 27 people at least that of lost their lives, so i do not think getting tougher is the answer. we have to find another if dealing with this. you answer. we have to find another if dealing with this.— answer. we have to find another if dealing with this. you also know the are ument dealing with this. you also know the argument against _ dealing with this. you also know the argument against allowing - dealing with this. you also know the argument against allowing more - dealing with this. you also know the | argument against allowing more safe routes to britain, that would increase the number of people risking her life to get here. i think people understand the difference between push factors and

pull factors. people are pushed from their homes. most people do stop in their homes. most people do stop in the first country, which is why country like lebanon have massive refugee populations. a number come to europe, a number of those come to france, a smaller number come to the uk. are we seriously saying that because we are surrounded by a body of water we don't have any response abilities to people? [30 of water we don't have any response abilities to people?— abilities to people? do you think the tragedy _ abilities to people? do you think the tragedy that _ abilities to people? do you think the tragedy that happened - abilities to people? do you think - the tragedy that happened yesterday, this is going to change things? this is a bit of a moment in the debate? i really hope so, because what has happened, it's unspeakable, it should never have happened, people warned... for me it is like watching a car crash in slow motion. you know it is going to happen, you are shouting and you cannot stop it from happening. i really hope soul—searching happens and we... but then

the mood music coming out of down the mood music coming out of down the street seems to be more tough talk. ,, ., , talk. -- downing street. that is all we have time _ talk. -- downing street. that is all we have time for. _ talk. -- downing street. that is all we have time for. bridget - talk. -- downing street. that is all. we have time for. bridget chapman, think ofjoining us. we are going to headed over tojohn for the weather. the weather one factor. ., . ., ., , , ., factor. one factor. it has been a calm year. _ factor. one factor. it has been a calm year, weather _ factor. one factor. it has been a calm year, weather equals, - factor. one factor. it has been a - calm year, weather equals, waters. it is calm out there at the moment and showers are already falling away quite sharply, a frost developing right now, but that won't last on it long. change is afoot. this storm is going to bring strong winds, strong rains but also some snow, the impacts first of all hitting the northern uk. it is relatively calm out there at the moment, cold, but those temperatures will be on the rise in the early hours. increasing cloud and some showery rain turning up, by which time temperatures will be above freezing. different sort of

day tomorrow. unsettled, rain around, heavy bursts, but dry spells as well. blustery winds, but despite that, temperatures a little but higher tomorrow, temporarily, because as you may have heard, winter arrives with a vengeance tomorrow night. do not take these areas of snow too literally, a lot to play for, but there is the potential saturday for some of the white stuff. some of us will not see any at all, so don't get too excited, kids. the ahead, after a winter reit weekend with some bitterly cold winds, things are set to turn my order eventually, later on next week, but probably financially, not soon enough for you. —— a wintry weekend. thank you very much indeed. another cold night in dover. simonjones is with us now. despite

the temperatures, people today have been making that crossing the you have been covering that issue for a long time. there does not seem to be an end in sight, does there? yes. an end in sight, does there? yes, an ethic what is — an end in sight, does there? yes, an ethic what is pretty _ an end in sight, does there? yes, an ethic what is pretty depressing - ethic what is pretty depressing about this, whatever your view on the migration debate, so many people have said it was only a matter of time before a tragedy happened out there in the channel and yesterday we saw such a tragedy —— and i think what is. we don't yet know the names of the 27 who died, we don't know much about their lives, but we know they were prepared to get on a flimsy boat in the cold yesterday because they were so desperate to get to the uk, and today even more crossing despite those deaths, those deaths in numbers. the politicians have been quick to point the figure at the people smugglers, but i think there are also some real questions for the politicians tonight, because what are they going to do about it? this is the roads busiest shipping lay out there, and the reality is that if they don't come up with that's it from us. have a very good evenir they about that's it from us. have a very good evenir they don't about that's it from us. have a very good solutions quickly, we are going to come here again, in the months to

evenir they don't come about come, talking about deaths. simon, thank ou come, talking about deaths. simon, thank you very much _ that's it from us. have a very good come, talking about deaths. simon, thank you very much indeed... - come, talking about deaths. simon, thank you very much indeed... as i come, talking about deaths. simon, i thank you very much indeed... as you just heard, temperatures dropping this evening, it is getting colder, in france, there will be people evenir the very much ie about thinking about making the journey. there may even be people out there be right now on the water. it is an awful thought, and assignment has just said, whatever your views about said, he a; ———777— 7 7.777— 7 7 77 immigration, about the politics of policing our borders, surely all of us hope and pray we are not going to a tragedy on the scale we saw yesterday, indeed anymore lives lost, making that dangerous journey. there is more coverage, as there has been throughout the day, on this story on the bbc news website. that's it from us. have a very good

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