tv The Data Guardian BBC News December 30, 2021 6:45pm-7:01pm GMT
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of political influence on the scale of the investigation was completely unprecedented for a data protection authority anywhere in the world. one element of your investigation was the eu referendum. can you remind us what your conclusion was on that specifically? we what your conclusion was on that specifically?— specifically? we were looking at more than _ specifically? we were looking at more than 30 _ specifically? we were looking at more than 30 organisations - specifically? we were looking ati more than 30 organisations that specifically? we were looking at - more than 30 organisations that were part of data enabled political campaigning so that's what it was really important to look at the political parties and he needed to let at the data brokers who provide a lot of this data and the platform particularly facebook and a company that was the centre of face crises and these questions which was cambridge analytical. fix, and these questions which was cambridge analytical.— cambridge analytical. a british com an . cambridge analytical. a british company. something - cambridge analytical. a british company. something that - cambridge analytical. a british. company. something that some cambridge analytical. a british - company. something that some people who have ambient awareness of this company may not know is that you concluded that in the end it will be wrong to assume that data from cambridge analytical played any role in influencing people to vote leave.
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we could not find the evidence and as a regulator we have to be driven by the evidence that we found and we did find that cambridge analytical had flirted with having a contract, relationship with the campaigns and we have known there were some trials done with the use of data but what we discovered which was more important than anything was we were able to pull back the curtain so that the public, media, civil society, and our legislators understood about the power of data and political campaigning and i think we stop the train from leaving the station so if we had not done that investigation, if we had not proven that all of these companies operating in an ecosystem needed to slow down in the use of that data or else we would feel the impact on our democracy. sell
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else we would feel the impact on our democra . ,, . , else we would feel the impact on our democra . ,, ., , else we would feel the impact on our democra . ,, ., else we would feel the impact on our democracy-— democracy. sell as part of your investigation _ democracy. sell as part of your investigation into _ democracy. sell as part of your investigation into cambridge i investigation into cambridge analytical value found what was the maximum fine at your disposal which is half £1 million in facebook appealed and it got quite legally complex because the option was an agreement was reached at facebook agreed to pay the half—million but they did not admit liability, there is no admission of liability. was it a source of frustration to you at the time that your armoury was so limited that you could ask the company now for half £1 million? it was deeply frustrating because the signal i was trying to send is that we have never issued a fine for the maximum amount under our old regime and if i had had semi—significant fines than i would've used against facebook because i think the intervention was serious. facebook made huge — intervention was serious. facebook made huge changes _ intervention was serious. facebook made huge changes to _ intervention was serious. facebook made huge changes to how- intervention was serious. facebook made huge changes to how they i made huge changes to how they operate. they made their ads much
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more transparent and that change the policy set —— settings and privacy settings to users. what's your assessment of whether or not facebook is a safe place now. i think the platform is safer. we also know that he has made some commitments to protect children on the platform and that's definitely been a focus of my office so yes, facebook is a safer place to go for people but some of the commitments feel like they are sticking plaster as opposed to real changes in the data governance and how the business model works. the data governance and how the business model worke— model works. the accusation of one form of facebook _ model works. the accusation of one form of facebook employee - model works. the accusation of one form of facebook employee is - model works. the accusation of one| form of facebook employee is going further than what you're saying is actually for facebook ultimately interview the bottom line is what counts and they put profits before people. she used to work on the company's algorithmic products and she was very damning in her evidence
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to the senate committee.— to the senate committee. facebook hides behind _ to the senate committee. facebook hides behind walls _ to the senate committee. facebook hides behind walls that _ to the senate committee. facebook hides behind walls that keeps - hides behind walls that keeps regulators from understanding through— regulators from understanding through dynamics of the system. facebook— through dynamics of the system. facebook will tell you that means they can't— facebook will tell you that means they can't give you data, this is not true — they can't give you data, this is not true. , , ., , they can't give you data, this is not true. , i. , ., ., not true. let me put you up to what mark zuckerberg _ not true. let me put you up to what mark zuckerberg said _ not true. let me put you up to what mark zuckerberg said in _ not true. let me put you up to what mark zuckerberg said in response. i not true. let me put you up to what l mark zuckerberg said in response. he says i think most of us presuming facebook employees don't recognise the picture of the company being painted and he said at the heart of these activations is this idea we prioritise profit of a safety and well—being. that'sjust prioritise profit of a safety and well—being. that's just not true. we well-being. that's 'ust not true. we are well—being. that'sjust not true. - are looking really closely at what is publicly available right now from francis plus plus testimony and we are looking at that publicly available information but i've also written to her to ask her for access to the full reports of her allegations and the full reports that she made to the securities and exchange commission because what i want to do with that evidence is analyse it from the uk perspective. are these harmonies applicable in
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the uk? especially through the lens of children? so as you know we have rolled out a new children's code which specifies design consideration to protect kids online. and i want to protect kids online. and i want to see if these allegations point two any contravention of uk law and then i will take action. i two any contravention of uk law and then i will take action.— then i will take action. i guess the enforcement _ then i will take action. i guess the enforcement of _ then i will take action. i guess the enforcement of that _ then i will take action. i guess the enforcement of that dovetails - then i will take action. i guess the| enforcement of that dovetails with the general data protection regulation which came into effect on the air watch. how valuable and effective has gdp are being as a legal framework? the effective has gdp are being as a legal framework?— effective has gdp are being as a legal framework? effective has gdp are being as a le . al framework? , ., legal framework? the strength of the gdp are is that _ legal framework? the strength of the gdp are is that because _ legal framework? the strength of the gdp are is that because there - legal framework? the strength of the gdp are is that because there were i gdp are is that because there were high fines and new enforcement tools for the regular to companies paying attention to it and data protection instead of being just an it issue became a board level issue. and so i think companies to data protection seriously for the first time in 20 years. i seriously for the first time in 20 ears. . ., seriously for the first time in 20 ears, ., ., ., ., " seriously for the first time in 20 ears. . ., ., ., ~ .,
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seriously for the first time in 20 ears. . ., ., ., years. i want to look at how the criminaljustice _ years. i want to look at how the criminaljustice system - years. i want to look at how the criminaljustice system is - years. i want to look at how the criminaljustice system is being| criminaljustice system is being influenced during a time as commissioner. last year he released an investigation into the use of mobile phone extraction by police forces conducting criminal investigations in england and wales. those safeguards will be enshrined and many people called it a big success for your office. what were you concerned about and what will this work meaning practice? the mobile phone — this work meaning practice? he mobile phone extraction investigation in our work across the uk is one of the most important files and ever dealt with when police forces started to require victims of sexual assault to upload everything on their mobile phones and put it in the hands of police and put it in the hands of police and prosecutors and that created a chair on winning and then reporting sexual assault and i think that was such a serious issue so we needed to
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intervene and find a way to work with police said that there are lines of inquiry had to be clear before the uploaded data from victims phones. abs, before the uploaded data from victims phones.— before the uploaded data from victims phones. a lot of people think that _ victims phones. a lot of people think that pandemic _ victims phones. a lot of people think that pandemic has - victims phones. a lot of people think that pandemic has led - victims phones. a lot of people think that pandemic has led to | victims phones. a lot of people | think that pandemic has led to a massive beta landgrab by central government. how confident are you that that is necessarily proportionate?- that that is necessarily --roortionate? ., , ., . ., proportionate? data protection did not stand in _ proportionate? data protection did not stand in the _ proportionate? data protection did not stand in the lay _ proportionate? data protection did not stand in the lay of _ proportionate? data protection did not stand in the lay of the - proportionate? data protection did not stand in the lay of the kind - proportionate? data protection did not stand in the lay of the kind of. not stand in the lay of the kind of reasonable public health surveillance measures that needed to be put in place. so he became very used to approximate the app that was tracing and advising who we were coming in contact with. we got used to the idea of faxing passports which are important if you want to travel or attend lab defence. so we know that. on the other hand they be commissioning of the systems is something that will be looking at really carefully and i'm draughting a report to parliament on covid—i9
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measures and the importance of the commissioning or ensuring that when the systems are no longer needed they're not going to be fluid and are not going to be continued by the government. that are not going to be continued by the government-— government. that me and by asking our cuick government. that me and by asking your quick questions. _ government. that me and by asking your quick questions. are _ government. that me and by asking your quick questions. are you - government. that me and by asking your quick questions. are you on . government. that me and by asking | your quick questions. are you on any of the following social media platforms? facebook? nell? snapped at mel, tick tock, now, any social media platforms? no. what forms of communications do you use, are you on whatsapp? no. search engines, which search engines do you use? google search? yes. microsoft being? yes? . big fan of thought that goal. i think it was the first search engine that will about their services in a privacy by design ray. have you ever had anyone deny your information by saying they can't give it to you do to data protection reasons? always. happens all the time. it's complete clap. i called
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him out on it. you've been outspoken about specific proposals. what are you worried about?— you worried about? some of the ro osals you worried about? some of the proposals in _ you worried about? some of the proposals in the _ you worried about? some of the proposals in the government - you worried about? some of the l proposals in the government data reform in consultation i agree with. the new powers that are being suggested for the aco the new powers that are being suggested for the ac0 to deal with calls and texts and fines for companies that get it wrong absolutely agree with that. i also agree with the review of the law. but an independent regulator is really important to the trust and confidence and if a regulator can be learned on politically or if government directs the work of the regulator and i think that undermines the trust that other countries are going to have with us and doing trade deals and that people have and whether someone is truly standing up for their rights
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and i think my work on data and political campaigns would have been almost impossible to do if i had to take my marching orders from government. take my marching orders from government-— take my marching orders from covernment. ., ~ , ., , . government. thank you very much. it's been government. thank you very much. it's been very _ government. thank you very much. it's been very mild _ government. thank you very much. it's been very mild today. - government. thank you very much. it's been very mild today. like - it's been very mild today. like yesterday temperatures reach 16 degrees. this time around cambridge helped by some sunshine. we stay in this mild airfor the next few helped by some sunshine. we stay in this mild air for the next few days into the new year and it will be accompanied by rings. the window coming from a long way south all the way from madeira bringing mild air up way from madeira bringing mild air up to the uk and bringing in moisture in the form of cloud and they're still been around as well. we have wet weather it this evening across northern and overnight it will push into central scotland and we will see rain sleeping east across other parts of england. it will be helped along by winds which will be helped along by winds which will be helped along by winds which will be mild. temperatures will not follow much for most of us except in
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northern scotland where the wind will be lighter. we have got cascais and it's colder here. the rain in east anglia for many parts of the uk it will turn dry and bright with some sunshine. we have got the cody's owned with outbreaks of rain which will become a knight and patchy into the afternoon. it will be mild in the central belt. 13 degrees here. 60 and possibly even 17 degrees in east anglia on the southeast of england. the previous wire mesh new year's eve was in 2011 with temperatures reach 111.8 degrees in rails so it will possibly be that figure. and it stays mild into the evening if you will see the new year. this is the letter we are expecting. patchy rain for northern and western parts of the uk accompanied by a strong southern rain. it will keep mild air going. and it will be able to day for new year's day. we have got rain speaking east and it will be followed by bright leather with sunshine. also showers for less than
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scotland and northern ireland. still very mild for new year's day the temperatures 1a to 16 degrees. after saturday the weather will change because that really mild air will get pushed away from the uk and instead the wind direction is more of a left to southwestern ring. it will be mild but not as mild. we have got wet weather developing on sunday as well. across southern and western parts of the uk showers were long spells of rain could turn heavy as well. temperatures will be a few degrees lower on sunday but it's still mild for this time of year.
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