tv Bloody Sunday BBC News January 23, 2022 8:30pm-9:01pm GMT
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this weather front, but supping from this weather front, but supping across the northern and western isles into the north—west highlands of scotland. we do have brakes elsewhere, and will see patchy fog, frost, neitherwill elsewhere, and will see patchy fog, frost, neither will be widespread. the fog could take a while at this time of year to clear, could be a little frosty, but by and large will be another gloomy day, albeit dry and southern parts and cold. 4—5. could see if you breaks in the cloud, but later more likely across the north of scotland, behind the weak weather front, the odd spot of rain as it drifts its way southwards. hello this is bbc news. the headlines: a former ukrainian mp linked by britain to an alleged russian plot to take control of ukraine says his country needs
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new political leaders. ukraine's ambassador to britain urges allies to stand with them. that urges allies to stand with them. is our message to parties, that is our message to international parties, if you would like to help us and you can find the nerve and this point, we are fighting ourselves anyways. the world health organization's european director says it's plausible the region's moving towards "a kind of pandemic endgame". former british conservative party government minister nusrat ghani says she was sacked from herjob because of her muslim faith. the government chief whip says the claims are false. the taliban meet civil society groups and women's rights activists in norway, in an attempt to access to billions of dollars frozen in us banks. 50 years ago this month, paratroopers shot dead 13 innocent civil rights marchers in northern ireland. it is forever known as bloody sunday. peter taylor analyses what happened. this programme contains scenes some
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viewers may find distressing 50 years ago this month, on the day forever known as bloody sunday, paratroopers shot dead 13 innocent civilians on a civil rights march in londonderry, derry. ida mckinney�*s husband was one of the victims. he was in this jacket, and ijust put my fingers, you know, through the holes, where the bullets went. the paras' commanding officer was colonel derek wilford. we were under attack. lord saville, who headed the inquiry into the killing, did not believe the paras' account. he couldn't let his soldiers down. i don't agree with his. view of what happened. explosions
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30th january, 1972 — the day that forever became known as bloody sunday — is one of the darkest stains on britain's record in ireland. it was the day when british paratroopers shot dead 13 innocent catholics and nationalists during a civil rights march. they were protesting against internment without trial. that was 50 years ago. today, the names of the victims are commemorated on the bloody sunday memorial here in the heart of the bogside, the nationalist enclave beneath the city walls. it's a day that i will never forget. it was my first ever visit to northern ireland, and the day that i came face—to—face for the first time with a shocking reality of the conflict. at the time, i knew very little
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about the so—called troubles. the epic inquiry into what happened, an inquiry that took 12 years and cost almost £200 million, was conducted by lord saville. he's given newsnight a rare interview. how did you first hear about bloody sunday? well, i first heard of it, i remember on the radio as i was driving back from the south coast having been hang—gliding. i thought, oh, yet another awful event in northern ireland. but it didn't much go further than that, because there was unremitting bad news coming out of northern ireland in that period. did you know anything about northern ireland at the time? more or less nothing at all. i had never been there. bloody sunday casts its long shadow
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today with relatives still fighting for the justice they believe they have been denied. no soldier has been prosecuted. john kelly lost his brother, michael. murder is murder. no matter how long ago it is. the fact of the matter is, justice has to be seen to be done. almost 50 years on, the officer commanding the first battalion the parachute regiment, col derek wilford, still believes his soldiers were justified in opening fire. we thought in fact that we were under attack. we remain convinced of that until the end of our days. sunday dawned a glorious if chilly day, with the sun shining out of a cloudless sky. there was an almost carnival atmosphere. a group of seven friends went together on this civil rights march. dennis was one of them. we felt the whole of derry were marching.
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there was going to be that big of a number that they were just going to march straight into the centre of town and let the world know that no amount of batons would keep us off the streets. there are grievances here, and they have to be solved. the paras were awaiting beyond the barricade to move in and arrest the rioters. they were briefed on what to expect. the battalion's company sergeant major remembers being warned about the potential threat from snipers in the giant tower block overlooking the bogside. our orders were to go in there and make arrests. arrest the rioters. what did you expect? i expected when we went into the flats to be fired at. colonel wilford was briefed too. he was under strict orders to arrest the rioters and not to pursues them
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into the heart of the bogside in a running battle. the paras, stationed in a derelict building on the fringe of the bogside, fired first with five rounds, just before four o'clock. two innocent men were wounded. the paras claimed one of them was a petrol bomber. lord saville says he was not. minutes later, there was a second shot fired by an official ira gunman at the paras in the building. what was the significance of that? the significance was there was at least one weapon on the other side, and if there was one weapon, there were probably others. the paratroopers were, one assumes, pretty hyped up. does that help explain something of what happened? yes, i think it does. but they should've realised that the chances of an outbreak of firing and innocent people being shot in an exchange of fire was such that he shouldn't send his troops down into the bogside.
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you say in your report on the shootings by the paratroopers, none of those shot was armed with a firearm, none was posing any threat, no warning was given before the soldiers opened fire — how can you be sure of that? because this is what it meant we spent some 12 years doing. we looked at every conceivable piece of evidence that we could find. i arrived in derry late in the evening of bloody sunday. early the following morning, with some trepidation, i came down here into the bogside. there was an eerie silence, pools of blood on the ground, and flowers lying beside them. it was here that i did the first
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ever interview i did in northern ireland. it was with a former british soldier called jack chapman. he lived here in one of those flats. his balcony gave him a grandstand view of what happened. derry, state one, - take one, mr chapman. what did you see happen? the troops got out of their armoured cars, followed by 100 paratroopers, and they immediately got down into fighting positions and fired indiscriminately into the fleeing crowd running past my house. colonel wilford was interviewed in the bogside when the shooting was over. the facts are we were fired at first, and we retaliated in the only way possible to us, which was to return fire. jack chapman was a crucial eyewitness. all the shooting was done by the army, every bit of it, no doubt whatsoever at all. i interviewed derek wilford
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in 1992 on the 20th anniversary of bloody sunday. i wanted my soldiers to stay alive. i actually said to them, you will not get killed. if someone starts shooting at you, you can behave in a variety of ways — you can run away, which on the whole soldiers don't, and certainly my battalion would never run away. you could take cover behind your shields and sit in an area until it all passed over. or you could do what my battalion were trained to do, to move forward and seek out the enemy. you start looking for targets. i went from an ordinary scoop—up, arrest operation, to, hey, someone is trying to kill me, let's find out who, and do the job back. that is very much the attitude you'll get from a parachute regiment soldier. he doesn't go for cover, he doesn't crawl on the ground. he looks for targets. look for them, started identifying them, started dropping them.
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started dropping them? shooting them. dennis and one of his friends were caught in the shooting. as the bullets flew, dennis and one of his friends took cover around there. his friend said it wasn't safe and he was getting out. just got whacked and the face just disintegrated. you could see all the blood on his face and you could see his teeth and his tongue. he was laying, trying to breathe. his teeth was protruding. his facial colours was starting to turn. at that time, quite frankly, i thought we were all gonna be shot. dr raymond mclean, a derry gp, was on the march and helped some of the victims. the first reaction i wanted, i thought, i wish i had a rifle. and that wasjust a natural reaction. if we were going to be shot,
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i need something to defend myself. but you're a doctor. yeah, but i thought i was going to be shot. when we were getting the bodies into the ambulances, someone had a small radio, and we heard that five people had been shot dead in londonderry. my first reaction was, we've already put seven in an ambulance, that can't be right. and when we got the bodies in the ambulance and away, we stood around smoking cigarettes and the whole place was hushed. we still couldn't believe what had happened. the next day, the postmortems were being held. it was a very gruesome day. during the postmortem, a lot of the stomachs were opened and the young boys, mostly young boys who had been shot, they had had roast meat, peas and potatoes for dinner in them. it had not had time to be digested. we had roast meat and peas and poteatoes for dinner before we left that day. and i thought, "that could be me."
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it's pure chance i'm standing here and those boys are lying there. and that brought it home to me and probably more than anything. the fact that we had roughly the same dinner before the march. quite honestly, i owned the bogside. i occupied it — you keep using the word innocent. there is no innocence in a riot. if you get into an enormous crowd which is out to make mischief, - you are in the first instance a party to it _ i if you are on the receiving end, . which we were, you have to assume that they were all. out to make trouble. you don't sign your death warrant by taking part in a demonstration. some people do. the sergeant wishes to remain anonymous. the mood between the blokes, it was not elation. at the same time, it wasjob well done. we had been sent in to do the operation.
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we were in the middle of doing it. job well done with 13 dead? yes, a job well done. if someone is firing at you and you kill them, you stopped him killing you. that's a job well done. one of the 13 dead wasjerry mckinney. his wife ida thought he was going to enjoy a sunny day out. making sandwiches and a cup of tea before he left. he gave me a kiss and said, see you at six. the clothes were brought back to me or sent back. i can't remember how they came back to me. it was a jumper that i bought him for christmas,
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and he'd worn it a few times. the holes were in it, and in hisjacket. in his shirt. ijust put my fingers in them. where the bullets went. how was he shot? with his hands in the air. in order to save a boy that was already shot. he saw the soldier and he put his hands up, and said, "don't shoot." and they shot him. might he have been carrying a gun? no. how can you be sure? i knew him, i was married to him. one of the paras known as soldier f
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opened fire around here. he was aiming at a rebel barricade right in front of jack chapman's balcony. four young men were shot dead around that barricade. one of them wasjohn kelly's 17—year—old brother, michael. michael was hit in the stomach. bullet in his spine. forensically, lord saville's inquiry traced the bullet back to soldier f's rifle. like the other paras, he has never been prosecuted. all the evidence appears to be there. the evidence that soldier f gave could not be used to incriminate him. there was an undertaking that they wouldn't use any evidence given in our inquiry to incriminate the people who gave that evidence. we concluded that he shot,
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knowing it was notjustified. we concluded that he had seriously lied about what he was doing. lord saville's conclusion on solider f is damning. there was one voice amongst the paratroopers i spoke to, the company sergeant major, that dissented. he wished to remain anonymous. he came close to breaking ranks. how would he describe the military operation that day? chaos. after the initial— deployment, it was chaos. did you see any gunmen? no. did you see any gunmen or weapons? no. do you believe 20 years on, they were gunmen, those killed? not at all.
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i think the proof could been that there may have been l two or three individuals, i but i feel in my own heart that those people were innocent. did bloody sunday achieve anything? nothing at all except tragedy. nothing. i think that has to be - the worst thing about it. it was a tragedy and nothing good came out of that. - ironically, the only beneficiary was the ira. what did bloody sunday do for the ira? as far as the provisionals were concerned, it served as a very efficient recruiting sergeant. and a lot of people who joined
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the provisional ira as a result of what was felt to be the tragedy of bloody sunday. one of them was dennis, who had seen his best friend shot dead in front of his eyes. it wasn't a straightforward thing. about getting even. it broke up that barrier of conscience. doing damage to another person. bloody sunday, for me,... i went down that route. dennis got 16 years for trying to murder seven british soldiers. on bloody sunday, he set out with six friends, all of them joined the ira, all went to jail. in the end, in 1998,
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after years of relentless pressure from victims' families and the irish government, prime minister tony blair finally announced from the inquiry to be conducted by lord saville. do you think in the end, you are able to establish the truth of what happened on bloody sunday? i very much hope so. - the time it took was immense. firstly because we wanted to do a thorough job. secondly because it had to be fair to everybody — soldiers, families, allthe rest. in nationalist derry, there is no greater expectation there was no great expectation that the report would give deliver the verdict hoped for. in 2010, thousands gathered in the square to listen to the then prime minister addressed
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the house of commons. what happened on bloody sunday was both unjustified and unjustifiable. the government is ultimately responsible for the conduct of the armed forces. on behalf of the government and the country, i am deeply sorry. cheering. i do admire david cameron for that. he made a very moving speech. and the result was quite astonishing because you've got a nationalist audience cheering a tory prime minister. that was something that has never happened before and probably will never happen again! he did the right thing. it was david cameron's finest moment. do you accept what lord saville said? no, i don't. - because i was there. we thought we were under attack | and we remain convinced of that. j until the end of our days. colonel wilford does not accept your findings. he insists that his men
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did come underfire, and he says you weren't there. "l was." indeed he has said that. i wasn't there, but thousands of other people were. and we talked to them. has he simply got it wrong? yes, i believe he has. he was very loyal to his soldiers. he was extremely popular. and he obviously came to the conclusion that he couldn't let his soldiers down, but i don't agree with his view on what happened. 50 years on, derek wilford is 88, and now suffers from parkinson's disease. what has bloody sunday done to you? destroyed my world.
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and it destroyed the world of families like ida mckinney�*s. ijust couldn't understand, when we were so happy and we had so many wee ones. i realised it wasn't god's doing at all. it was just the soldier. what is the legacy of bloody sunday? it was a catastrophe for northern ireland. quite apart from being dreadfulfor the people, for the bereaved and those wounded. the plans that the british government were making before bloody sunday, to try and negotiate a peaceful settlement,
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but we haven't picked up much rain, and so far this january, we've only had about 50% of the rainfall we would normally see by this time. that dry theme continues for at least another day or two, because of this area of high pressure. we do have some weather fronts, but as they come southwards into the high pressure, they tend to get squeezed out. not much sunshine. we had a little in the southwest, more in the northeast, and the skies will persist for the evening and overnight. where we do have some breaks, we will see some patchy fog, a little bit of frost, but neither will be widespread. the rain in the north won't be particularly heavy, but that will bring cloudier skies in and some hill fog told the isles. it will sink southwards, so coming into the first area. further south, i think it will be quite gloomy and cold,
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and where any fog lingers, perhaps [i or 5 degrees. we should see some sunshine coming through. in the northern isles. that weather front pivots back on itself, not much rain around on it. still just patchy frost and patchy fog further south as we don't really change much at all. there's very little wind to move things. monday less windy than sunday and not very windy on tuesday either. weather front still in close proximity to the northwest of scotland. and again, where we've got that morning mist that high pressure is trapping the cloud, and there's no wind to move in on. just the chance that things may change, particularly toward the north, and there'sjust enough wind to start to mix the air up a little bit.
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