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this is bbc news with the latest headlines. ministers are strengthening a bill that will force social media companies to take down harmful content more quickly. as another former minister, submits a letter of no—confidence in the prime minister, the former international minister, liam fox, says mps should wait for the outcome of the met police investigation. this is a time where we actually need to give our full focus to the issues affecting the country and it's not a time for the conservative party to indulge in one of its bouts of navel—gazing. the former us vice president, mike pence, says he had no right to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election, and that donald trump was wrong to claim otherwise. and the queen hosts a reception at sandringham house for members of the local community ahead of the 70th anniversary
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of her accession to the throne. and coming up during a special programme at 14:30... we follow three nurses over the course of a night shift in one of the busiest intensive units in the west midlands. the government is strengthening the law to force social media companies to take down illegal content without waiting for it to be reported by users. under the online safety bill, firms will have to remove a number of categories of illegal material — with several more now being added, including drugs and arms dealing, and forums that encourage suicide. sanchia berg reports the online world can seem like a lawless space.
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this bill — a first attempt to regulate it — is expected before parliament soon. tech companies had already been told they'd face fines of up to 10% of turnover if they didn't take down child abuse material and terrorism content. now that will apply to drugs and arms dealing, encouraging suicide, fraud, and revenge porn. the government says it will be able to bring the full weight of the law against people using the internet as a weapon to ruin other people's lives. those who send threatening messages — like the racist abuse of england's footballers last year — will face prosecution, as will people at the companies themselves. the organisations will have to name individuals who will be responsible within those organisations for complying with the legislation. if they continue to flout that legislation, those named individuals will be responsible and could face up to five years�* imprisonment. labour's welcomed the bill, but warns it may not be enough. the whole point here
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is that we are really going to have a regulator in ofcom and the big tech companies, who are massive international mammoths — you've really got a david—and—goliath situation when it comes to being able to hold these companies to account. many say children need specific protection. what we need is a statutory code i that protects children whereverl they are online and we need privacy—preserving age - assurance, so we make sure that we know who the kids l are and we treat them accordingly. lawyers to say this is one of the most important and most complicated pieces of legislation of the last 20 years. no surprise that it's been delayed before — they wonder whether the culture secretary will be able to get it through as fast as she's promised. because balancing these new protections with freedom of speech can be extremely difficult. sanchia berg, bbc news. joining me now isjudy thomas who's
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daughter, frankie took her own life in 2018 after accessing inappropriate content, online. judy, thanks so much forjoining us. we really appreciate it. do tell us about your daughter please. frankie had secial about your daughter please. frankie had special needs. _ about your daughter please. frankie had special needs. she _ about your daughter please. frankie had special needs. she had - about your daughter please. frankie had special needs. she had a - had special needs. she had a diagnosis at the age of five of high functioning autism so i was her carer 21w. functioning autism so i was her carer24/7. forthat functioning autism so i was her carer 21w. for that reason, she had no access to any computer at home. she didn't have a computer and i was were password protected. we also tracked her phone. in 2018, dropped september the 25th, i collected her from school, brought her home. she was at a special school. and we had a bit of time before i took a vow to her music lesson and when the time came to leave i called upstairs at about five o'clock in the afternoon and there was no answer and i went
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upstairs and she looked like she was sitting in the cupboard and i thought she was messing around so i went to tickle her and she had... she had hung herself. so i quickly put her down and phoned 999 and was given instructions over the phone unfortunately the neighbour was there to help me as well and the evidence —— ambulance arrived, police arrived, helicopter and everything and in trying to resuscitate her and my husband and i went up in the hospital with frankie and she was in an ambulance obviously and the police were searching the house which was absolutely fine and we've got nothing to height. they found a note, a goodbye note from frankie which indicated to me that she meant to do that and unfortunately the hospital were unable to business as a frankie and she died that day and she was 15! i can't say what i was like. i hadjust she was 15! i can't say what i was like. i had just finished. that's it. you never see them again and
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that lie. that's it, final, just like that, and we had no idea it was coming. we found out after a couple of days she had been out of lessons that mining at school because she found it quite difficult to going to lessons. they had agreed that she could access a music lesson in the covered on an ipad and the school centres over conversations and what was the ipad that they stop they sent it to the police as well. —— what was on the ipad that day. they actually made very little about what was on the ipad but when i looked carefully frankie had access for over two hours stuff about self—harm, very heavy duty pornography, horrible, actually, and also a website called what pad which the last stories were about her favourite band and four out of the five last of easy access that day involved a suicide and the last story involved two suicides with
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people in that van —— wattpad. and she copied the last one at home later that day. so that tells you our story. the other thing i would like just to say is that the school were unaware. they had any safety system but it wasn't connected —— e—safety system. we had her laptop forensically checked which was kept at school and realised that back earlier in the year 2018 she had been accessing sites about self—harm, suicide, appalling stuff, all sorts of other sites, and we had no idea and the school had absolutely no idea. that's how it was for us. absolutely no idea. that's how it was for ve— absolutely no idea. that's how it was for us— absolutely no idea. that's how it was for us. . , ~ , ., was for us. really, i think everyone watchin: was for us. really, i think everyone watching would _ was for us. really, i think everyone watching would want _ was for us. really, i think everyone watching would want to _ was for us. really, i think everyone watching would want to join - was for us. really, i think everyone watching would want to join me - was for us. really, i think everyone watching would want to join me in l watching would want tojoin me in saying we have really come for loss and from what you describe frankie sounds like she was a really beautiful person. she was. i
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wondered if i may ask you if action by social media companies might help vulnerable teams today just by social media companies might help vulnerable teams todayjust make vulnerable teams todayjust make vulnerable teenagers today because meant i vulnerable teenagers today because mean- ., ., ., meant i have written to all the sites accessed _ meant i have written to all the sites accessed early _ meant i have written to all the sites accessed early in - meant i have written to all the sites accessed early in 2018 i meant i have written to all the | sites accessed early in 2018 on meant i have written to all the - sites accessed early in 2018 on that laptop at school. every single one of them, i've listened to them saying why, as a 14—year—old at that time, was she able to access that material and it is still available? i haven't heard back yet. michael gove also covering letter. he is our mp. ifigured there had been age restrictions and age verification she wouldn't have been able to access it and also the score story she's accessed the day she died were quite important and they didn't actually have the word suicide in there. it was quite clear what they were doing and in the word suicide in there. it was quite clear what they were doing and in a sense it
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was glorified so i think online ham safety bill must not only introduced age verification and doesn't matter whether it is going to vet people trying to do their shopping or whatever. this is talking about human lives and nothing... you can't excuse any, anything that doesn't prevent that. what i was going to say was the word suicide wasn't in those last stories but it was quite clear that was what they were doing, so i think any check for contents needs to include material which glorify suicide or portray suicide and doesn't necessarily have that word. i think also it is very important that companies are not left to self regulate voluntarily because that hasn't worked. it is known it is not worked. and the government need to bring in criminal liability, notjust vines. vines are a joke! they are so... actual criminal liability are notjust let criminal liability are not just let see
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criminal liability are notjust let see if they comply but it needs to be mandatory. how do you know if they fail? is it because more children have committed suicide? we don't want any more failures. we don't want any more failures. we don't want any more failures. we don't want any more families to go what we have been through. i think those were the main things. just having a thing. yes, also, but we don't need to wait two or three years. how many more lives are going to be lost? i'm sorry that sounds dramatic but i can't convey what thatis dramatic but i can't convey what that is like. that is eight. final. and i'm sorry to say this but i've never seen a dead body before and to find your child staring at you, heavy, cold and limp, i can't even convey. a still have that everyday. —— | convey. a still have that everyday. —— i still live with that everyday. so it is urgent and lasting, also, algorithms which i know is a popular thing today to say but some of what frankie access back in early 2018 she went on to access other things because they were suggested sites. i saw that from the search we had done. that she had access one thing
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and then it said how about looking at this and was even worse? so companies must not put algorithms into what children access and i'm sorry there is one more thing. i know the baroness has been a champion with this. we discovered that frankie had set up an instagram account at school. we didn't allow her to go onto instagram because she was quite vulnerable. and... i... in her note she suggested, she names somebody who we didn't know and because i was her care the 24/7 i was totally involved in her life, seemingly. this person wasn't anybody that we need. and i have contacted instagram numerous occasions, e—mails, recorded delivery written to the people in the states. not a big horrible letter but saying please could you help us? we need to know who this person is. we're very happy to find nothing malicious, very happy. that would be wonderful and it would help
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us find closure. what is... instagram have if used by the way because of data privacy and all this. we have probate but we are not allowed to access her data online and what if it is the same with other children, not only if algorithms are suggesting terrible things to other children and their not being found, but what if there was someone, not necessarily the person in the note but anybody else that was malicious? they are laughing! because they know they will never be discovered. we are not allowed to access the data. this has to beat changed. this is one. this is a long balance. those are the main things. is a long balance. those are the main things-— is a long balance. those are the main thins. , , ., .,, ., , main things. judy thomas, we really do appreciate _ main things. judy thomas, we really do appreciate you — main things. judy thomas, we really do appreciate you coming _ main things. judy thomas, we really do appreciate you coming in - main things. judy thomas, we really do appreciate you coming in and - do appreciate you coming in and speaking to us. thank you so much. thank you very much for having me. if you been affected by any of these issues will be discussing information is available from the bbc action line at bbc.co.uk for the action line. time now is 12 minutes per stay. you're watching bbc news.
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-- 12 per stay. you're watching bbc news. —— 12 minutes past two. senior conservatives have insisted that the majority of their party's mps support the prime minister. it comes as another conservative politician called for borisjohnson to resign. former schools minister nick gibb is the latest to submit a letter of no confidence in the row over parties held at number 10 during lockdown. 0ur political correspondent helen catt is here..... helen, we have got another letter, then. i have almost lost count. you haven't. wear valley? we then. i have almost lost count. you haven't. wear valley?— then. i have almost lost count. you haven't. wear valley? we can never sa for haven't. wear valley? we can never say for sure — haven't. wear valley? we can never say for sure where _ haven't. wear valley? we can never say for sure where we _ haven't. wear valley? we can never say for sure where we are. - haven't. wear valley? we can never say for sure where we are. we - haven't. wear valley? we can never say for sure where we are. we know that nine mps have publicly said that nine mps have publicly said that they had submitted a letter. it is a secret process so it is entirely up to an mp to say whether they have they haven't. there is also no way of checking whether someone actually has, just knowing that it never is well so this is a secret process. we know nine mps have said that they had. the threshold for triggering a vote of confidence is 54,, 15% of the
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conservative parliamentary party, 15% of conservative mps. we know that hasn't yet been reached or announced it has been reached because they haven't told us that we know we not there yet but, said, what we have seen over recent days as a trickle of people coming forward and saying i've put of income of income of the latest of which is nick gibb and he is quite interesting and a former schools minister who served under david cameron, theresa may and boris johnson until he was sacked in a reshuffle last year and he is not exactly known as a firebrand rebel in westminster, he is quite quiet and not in the papers all the time, so the fact that he has chosen to make it public feels quite common sort of, significant in itself and he has also written an article in the daily telegraph which is pretty blunt in which he says it was inaccurate of the prime minister to tell the house of commons there was no party in downing street. he says his constituents in bognor regis and littlehampton are furious about the double standard asking can we trust him and he end this article with to restore trust we must remove the
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prime minister. we know that some of his other colleagues are mulling over whether they agree with that analysis. plenty of conservative mps do not. either they want to keep borisjohnson in place or certainly don't want to get video of him now. have a listen to liam fox, the former cabinet minister. —— don't want to get rid of him now. yes, you've got some unhappy mps but yet, they've not even reached the 15%. in other words, 85% of my colleagues are still willing to give the prime minister the benefit of the doubt. the fact we've lost some of these officials from downing street is actually an opportunity for a reset. liam fox there. helen, what happens on a weekend like this? it was a breakneck four or five days during the week. is this a breather? at the whatsapp groups going crazy? talk as though this kind of weekend. it make you do often get this pose movement when everything is gone away from westminster and yes i imagine the whatsapp groups are being pinging and he will be thinking about these things of the former minister stephen hammond is talking to bbc today and he will be thinking carefully about what he does next
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over the weekend. he has suggested some of his colleagues would be wrestling with their consciences. there is that sort of thinking time before everyone is back in the white heat of westminster again next week and then we will see whether that trickle is turning into more of a momentum or if actually they are waiting to see if the prime minister can do that they set liam fox was talking about and he can make the changes he has promised and see if they will keep him imposed. helen catt, our political correspondent, thank you so much. borisjohnson has held a telephone call with the french president emmanuel macron about the situation in ukraine. downing street says the two leaders updated each other on their discussions with other international partners, including the prime minister's visit to kyiv last week. they also agreed that nato must be united in the face of russian aggression — and a diplomatic solution to the current tensions must remain the overriding priority. a greater manchester police officer has been charged with sexual assault. pcjames holt, who's 32, has been placed on restricted duties. he's due to appear
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in court next month. donald trump's vice president, mike pence, says he had no power to overturned the result of the 2020 us presidential election, and that mr trump was wrong to think he could have done so. the former president, who has falsely claimed the election was stolen from him, recently insisted again that mr pence could have blocked certification of the results. 0ur north america correspondent, david willis reports. mike pence was renowned for his almost filial sense of loyalty to donald trump, never publicly disagreeing with him and staunchly defending even the former president's most controversial actions. but there was one area in which the two men have not seen eye to eye. donald trump maintains the former vice president could have used his authority to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election as they were being presented to congress.
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and following renewed assertions to that effect from mr trump in recent days, mike pence has now decided to speak out. president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. but president trump is wrong. i had no right to overturn the election, the presidency belongs to the american people and the american people alone. the former vice president was one of a number of lawmakers who were rushed to safety after a mob of donald trump supporters smashed their way into the us capitol as the election results were being certified on january the 6th last year. some in the crowd called for mike pence to be hanged. senior republicans continue to regard the insurrection as a peaceful rally. and shortly before mike pence spoke,
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the party's governing body voted to censure two lawmakers who agreed to serve on a congressional committee looking into the events of that fateful day. liz cheney, the daughter of another former us vice president, dick cheney and adam kinsinger, both voted along with eight other republican lawmakers to impeach donald trump for inciting the insurrection. in a tweet, liz cheney said afterward she didn't recognise those in her own party, who she said had abandoned the constitution in order to embrace donald trump. "history will be their judge," she wrote. all this comes as mike pence appears to be laying the groundwork for a possible presidential run of his own in 2024. that could put him in direct competition with his former boss, who has also been teasing a comeback. much of the republican party remains loyal to donald trump and a former republican suggested that if he were to be re—elected, he would consider pardoning those who carried out the attack on the us capitol.
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david willis, bbc news, los angeles. from today, most adults in austria have to be vaccinated against covid—19. the measure applies to everyone over the age of 18 except pregnant women, people who've had covid in the past six months, and the medically exempt. the comedianjimmy carr is facing criticism for a joke he made about europe's traveller communities being murdered during the holocaust. he made the joke in a comedy special released on netflix. travellers groups, mps and the �*holocaust memorial day trust�* are among those to express their disgust. tomorrow is a landmark in royal history. it will be the first time a monarch has reached 70 years on the british throne. the queen will spend the day privately at sandringham in norfolk — the place where her father king george the sixth died in 1952. his death at the age ofjust 56 came as a huge shock to the nation, his family and friends. 0ur royal correspondent sarah
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campbell went to meet lady glenconner, a childhood friend and maid of honour at the queen�*s coronation, about that momentous time seven decades ago. this is my drawing room, and there is a photograph i want to show you. lady glenconner�*s childhood memories include play dates with the future queen. the royals were family friends and neighbours. princess elizabeth was a few years older. she�*s seen here with younger sister margaret, who�*s staring down enviously at lady anne�*s silver shoes. what would a typical day down at the beach with princess elizabeth, princess margaret and you and your sister... ? we were ensconced with our nannies in the children�*s hut. and, you know, we all had our spades and buckets, but i was so lucky to have had that sort of a wonderful time. the 31st of january 1952. after waving his daughter off on a tour of the commonwealth, king george vi returned back to sandringham. about three days before he died,
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he was shooting with my father — they were shooting hare — and nobody expected the king to die. the king was part of the community, wasn�*t he? so although this was worldwide, global news, it would have been felt much more personal here in norfolk. yes, i mean, the king was very special to everybody in norfolk because he... i think sandringham was one of his most favourite places to be. and i remember that my sister and my mother and i went to wolverston station and saw the king�*s coffin being put on the train. and it was so moving because the train went very, very slowly and there was so many people. most of us didn�*t have television sets in those days, but one or two people did. and i remember, they were like postage stamps, and we went to someone who had one to watch the queen coming back from africa. and it was so moving — her standing at the top of the stairs in her black coat.
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and suddenly, somebody, you know, we�*d known — i�*d known — since she was a child was queen. of course, the queen every year comes here — this is where she wants to remember him. absolutely. as the queen... i think it means a lot to her. they all love her, they love... i mean, she�*s a country woman, too, the queen. i mean, she loves how she�*s got her horses up here. she loves taking her dogs for walks. so no doubt she�*ll take her corgis for a walk... on the day the king died. i mean, iwonder whether, 70 years on, the queen knows how much she means to every generation. yeah, i don�*t know — well, i long to tell her. i might tell her, actually, when i get to next see her! sarah campbell reporting. 0ur royal correspondent daniela relph is at sandringham, where the queen has been hosting a reception, ahead tomorrow�*s milestone.
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daniela, keeping us up—to—date with what events are taking place this weekend, then.— what events are taking place this weekend, then. , ., weekend, then. yes, and the event we have seen this — weekend, then. yes, and the event we have seen this afternoon _ weekend, then. yes, and the event we have seen this afternoon is _ have seen this afternoon is particularly important, james, because we haven�*t seen much of the queen in recent months only time we do get to see her now in an event like this which is chatting to people are moving around is particularly significant. it was good to see her today. she met with a number of people from organisations she has had a connection with over the years here in west norfolk. she does look a little frailer than perhaps she did a few months ago. she is now, of course, in her mid—90s. having said that, she is using a stick to steady herself, quite a significant walking stick, but despite some physical frailty she was an exceptionally good spirits. she was very chatty. the mood in the room was very relaxed. herspirits the mood in the room was very relaxed. her spirits were clearly very good today. she clearly enjoyed being part of this event this afternoon. i�*ve had a chance to go to the bowling where it was hosted
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at the main house here in sandringham and talk to a few people over the past hour he met the queen today and all of them have told me the same thing, that she seemed very happy, very chatty, has an amazing memory. a number of people told me that, that she remembered meeting them over the years and remembered their name, remembered the organisation they represented. they said that she seemed in good spirits. 0ne said that she seemed in good spirits. one man told him how she tells him she loved the sea views from having him at sandringham in the cold being able to watch her father hear king george vi police pigeons out over the channel here and that was a great childhood memory she had —— police pigeons. i spoke to some women from the women�*s institute who had talked of queen today and they said she had been speaking to them about coded and the restrictions covid—19 are put on everybody and ask them whether that had had a impact on the what the women�*s institute had been doing. and that she also, would you believe, met the woman who invented the recipe for coronation chicken which is made up and invented back
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in 1983 for the queens coronation. they chatted about that particular recipe in the queen told her she so loved it to this day so if you little insights into the conversation and what it does just give you a sense of the queens mood, how she was and what is clearly quite a difficult weekend, weekend of mixed emotions for her. you mention coronation _ of mixed emotions for her. you mention coronation chicken and i cannot help noticing that there is a competition going on for plasse and putting! is platinum pudding going to be as popular as tasty as coronation chicken?- to be as popular as tasty as coronation chicken? that is what the are coronation chicken? that is what they are hoping. _ coronation chicken? that is what they are hoping, james. - coronation chicken? that is what they are hoping, james. you'll i coronation chicken? that is what. they are hoping, james. you'll have they are hoping, james. you�*ll have to get your recipe and. tea they are hoping, james. you'll have to get your recipe and.— to get your recipe and. too late! daniela ralph — to get your recipe and. too late! daniela ralph in _ to get your recipe and. too late! daniela ralph in sandringham, l to get your recipe and. too late! - daniela ralph in sandringham, thanks very much. i�*m not much of a cook! this week the government published its eagerly awaited levelling up white paper, setting out plans to reduce regional inequality. its aim is to revitalise communities in places like rhyl — but critics claim lessons aren�*t being learnt from previous efforts — saying the focus should be on people rather than "shiny new buildings". 0ur social affairs correspondent michael buchanan reports. we�*ve got the best seaside resort
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in wales, haven�*t we? we�*ve got a lovely community living here in rhyl. there's this sense of hopelessness amongst the people and you can see it in people's eyes. the ebb and flow of debate about rhyl can mask a simple consensus. the town needs improving. florist, carol parr is fully aware of the town�*s reputation. not many people say a lot of good things about rhyl, which i can sort of understand based on crime, and there�*s a lot of trouble. but when she had to relocate her business three years ago, she chose rhyl high street, an act of faith. over the last, say, two or three years, i have seen a change in rhyl. i think it�*s an upcoming town again. i�*m very optimistic about rhyl, yeah. seagulls cry. that optimism can be hard to see at times, but plans are afoot to regenerate the high street to use the government�*s levelling—up fund to revitalize the town centre. there have been some decisions in the past locally that perhaps haven�*t been the best ones
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in terms of aiming for a very down—market approach. the local mp says a £10 million bid to update rhyl�*s shopping precinct won�*t simply make the town look better. just building something, bricks and mortar is not the answer. it needs to be a cleverly thought—through scheme that�*s going to boost economic activity. and do you think that�*s going to happen here? well, that�*s definitely the... that�*s definitely the plan. levelling up should mean lower crime, better health outcomes and more prospects. all are needed in rhyl, as is much more. there�*s nowhere here to buy anything any more, really, is there? there�*s charity shops and chip shops, and that�*s it. i'm not quite sure how to put this. it's appalling. that's the only word i can use. shops closing, shutting arcades — rhyljust isn't what it used to be. we don't want any i more negative press. rhyl is growing. rhyl is going to boom. we're going to have...
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you wait till all of. these stores go up. over the years, tens of millions of pounds have been invested in rhyl, but it remains one of the poorest towns in the united kingdom. the lesson from previous regeneration projects across the country is that if you don�*t invest in the people, you won�*t see meaningful and lasting change. you need to inspire people to believe in their own potential. markjones runs one of seven food banks in rhyl. a christian pastor, too, he says the levelling—up efforts need to feed the soul as well as the body. those plans need to show the people of rhyl that there is a hope and a future for them, that the plans actually give them an opportunity for betterjobs, for example. it�*s ok to invest, but you�*ve also got to inspire. for decades, it was known as "sunny rhyl" — a place where memories were made.
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but the town needs a future, not a past. reawakened, as much as regenerated. michael buchanan, bbc news, rhyl. the boy, named by local media as rayan, was reportedly playing near the well in the town of tamorot, 100km (62 miles) from chefchaouen on tuesday. he is believed to have fallen about 32m we are receiving an alert from the afp news agency saying rescuers have entered the tunnel to rescue the boy who felt and that morocco well. he fell down on tuesday and it was too narrow for rescuers to get down themselves so over the last few days they have been digging parallel to they have been digging parallel to the well in which the boy has been stuck in the hope is that they will be able to go across horizontally to extract him they have provided oxygen for him over recent days and there has been a report they have also been able to get him water. his family have been waiting along with that crowd hoping for good news and you can see just how many people

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