in the prime minister, the former international minister, liam fox, says mps should wait for the outcome of the met police investigation. emergency workers in morocco inch closer to rescuing the five—year—old boy who's spent five days trapped in a well. and the queen hosts a reception at sandringham house for members of the local community ahead of the 70th anniversary of her accession to the throne. now on bbc news it's time for the media show. hello, iam ros hello, i am ros atkins, welcome to

this week's media show. we will talk about bbc three because it is back six years after the bbc decided it shouldn't be a linear channel. and we will talk about spotify and joe rogan. and people are saying should spotify be funding content like that. we will get into the issues that. we will get into the issues that raises. let me introduce you to our guests. you commissioned lots of opinion pieces, will you be commissioning something onjoe rogan? pieces, will you be commissioning something on joe rogan? absolutely. at newsweek — something on joe rogan? absolutely. at newsweek we _ something on joe rogan? absolutely. at newsweek we try _ something on joe rogan? absolutely. at newsweek we try to _ something on joe rogan? absolutely. at newsweek we try to represent - something on joe rogan? absolutely. at newsweek we try to represent the | at newsweek we try to represent the full breadth of opinion, relevant to americans and we will have pieces from that this information point of

view, we have pieces talking about how this story is about the culture war, the class four, the race for, we are trying to get at that story from all points of view. we we are trying to get at that story from all points of view.— from all points of view. we will return to spotify _ from all points of view. we will return to spotify and _ from all points of view. we will return to spotify and joe - from all points of view. we willi return to spotify and joe rogan from all points of view. we will i return to spotify and joe rogan in from all points of view. we will - return to spotify and joe rogan in a return to spotify and joe rogan in a moment, but let's spend a bit of time closer to home. bbc three is back as a traditional tv channel and its controller, fiona campbell has been explaining why. fix, its controller, fiona campbell has been explaining why.— its controller, fiona campbell has been explaining why. a channel is an additional signal, _ been explaining why. a channel is an additional signal, it _ been explaining why. a channel is an additional signal, it is _ been explaining why. a channel is an additional signal, it is a _ been explaining why. a channel is an additional signal, it is a really - additional signal, it is a really loud noise on which we can place our most successful shows and launch new talent from. it is a place from which we can shout and say, this is the place for you. you can switch it on, relax and see your world and struggles reflected. there is evidence in the industry after research that shows that tv is still used for watching cable and free to air services. used for watching cable and free to airservices. it used for watching cable and free to air services. it is still a real moment. the bbc has gathered 5

million people to watch green planet and bbc one. tv provides a moment for people to be together and drive conversation where people want to share things together at a specific moment in time, just look at strictly come dancing. fire moment in time, just look at strictly come dancing. are you convinced? _ strictly come dancing. are you convinced? good _ strictly come dancing. are you convinced? good afternoon. i strictly come dancing. are you i convinced? good afternoon. much strictly come dancing. are you - convinced? good afternoon. much like eatin: with convinced? good afternoon. much like eating with my — convinced? good afternoon. much like eating with my ex. _ convinced? good afternoon. much like eating with my ex, which _ convinced? good afternoon. much like eating with my ex, which was - convinced? good afternoon. much like eating with my ex, which was a - convinced? good afternoon. much like eating with my ex, which was a key i eating with my ex, which was a key show_ eating with my ex, which was a key show and _ eating with my ex, which was a key show and relaunch night yesterday, there _ show and relaunch night yesterday, there are _ show and relaunch night yesterday, there are some people who are quite happy— there are some people who are quite happy to— there are some people who are quite happy to see an old flame, others who are _ happy to see an old flame, others who are less thrilled, i think. it return— who are less thrilled, i think. it return is— who are less thrilled, i think. it return is an _ who are less thrilled, i think. it return is an an acknowledgement from the bbc_ return is an an acknowledgement from the bbc in _ return is an an acknowledgement from the bbc in that taking it off air in 2016— the bbc in that taking it off air in 2016 it _ the bbc in that taking it off air in 2016 it was a huge mistake. i am not sure bringing it back now will necessarily put that right, for various— necessarily put that right, for various reasons. other services, such_ various reasons. other services, such as — various reasons. other services, such as netflix have caught up and overtake _ such as netflix have caught up and overtake on the bbc in some areas.

given— overtake on the bbc in some areas. given the _ overtake on the bbc in some areas. given the arguments fiona campbell was making, if we accept they are persuasive, why weren't they persuasive, why weren't they persuasive six years ago when other people were making the same arguments for not getting rid of it in the first place.— arguments for not getting rid of it in the first place. what has changed is the bbc has _ in the first place. what has changed is the bbc has realised _ in the first place. what has changed is the bbc has realised it _ in the first place. what has changed is the bbc has realised it has - in the first place. what has changed is the bbc has realised it has a - is the bbc has realised it has a crisis _ is the bbc has realised it has a crisis in — is the bbc has realised it has a crisis in terms of young audiences. this is— crisis in terms of young audiences. this is its— crisis in terms of young audiences. this is its big — crisis in terms of young audiences. this is its big play to try and win them _ this is its big play to try and win them back— this is its big play to try and win them back in some respects. you can talk about— them back in some respects. you can talk about the mechanics of that and whether— talk about the mechanics of that and whether or— talk about the mechanics of that and whether or not it will work or not. fiona _ whether or not it will work or not. fiona campbell herself, the controller of bbc, has talked about it and _ controller of bbc, has talked about it and enhancing the content discovery ecosystem. in other words, that means _ discovery ecosystem. in other words, that means another screen through which _ that means another screen through which young people can engage with bbc content and hopefully that points — bbc content and hopefully that points them back to iplayer where they are _ points them back to iplayer where they are recommended shows they may enjoy _ they are recommended shows they may enjoy i_ they are recommended shows they may enjoy. i think one of the big criticisms— enjoy. i think one of the big criticisms of this decision is that bbc three — criticisms of this decision is that bbc three is coming back with a tower— bbc three is coming back with a lower budget than when it went dark.

that to _ lower budget than when it went dark. that to some think it shows that the bbc is _ that to some think it shows that the bbc is not _ that to some think it shows that the bbc is not as committed to young audience — bbc is not as committed to young audience as it should be. if it was committed — audience as it should be. if it was committed to young audiences, it would _ committed to young audiences, it would restore the budget and increase _ would restore the budget and increase it with inflation. you have the silicon valley _ increase it with inflation. you have the silicon valley corresspondentl the silicon valley corresspondent for the washington post, i wonder what your thoughts are when you listen to jake and i discussing the bbc bringing back a linear tv channel. presumably some people in silicon valley might raise an eyebrow at that? in silicon valley might raise an eyebrow at that?— silicon valley might raise an eyebrow at that? in silicon valley there is an _ eyebrow at that? in silicon valley there is an enormous _ eyebrow at that? in silicon valley there is an enormous amount - eyebrow at that? in silicon valley there is an enormous amount of. there is an enormous amount of experimentation on content models. we have traditional media which is very much suffering in the wake of streaming services and the proliferation of streaming services, but also the bbc is a huge brand.

when you are an enormous brand, a powerful brand you have the freedom to experiment and they get served in the end up following the start—ups. when you are a powerful brand you already have a built—in audience that may follow you to your next development and you should capitalise on that. the development and you should capitalise on that.— development and you should capitalise on that. the bbc is no doubt a powerful _ capitalise on that. the bbc is no doubt a powerful brand, - capitalise on that. the bbc is no doubt a powerful brand, but - capitalise on that. the bbc is no doubt a powerful brand, but it i capitalise on that. the bbc is no l doubt a powerful brand, but it has got less money and it is supposed to be saving money and closing services. we have heard from the director—general that some services will have to go. how does he squared that declaration with bringing a service like this back? i that declaration with bringing a service like this back?— service like this back? i don't think he does. _ service like this back? i don't think he does. i _ service like this back? i don't think he does. ithink- service like this back? i don't think he does. i think this - service like this back? i don't think he does. i think this is l think he does. i think this is awkwardly timed for the bbc. that is not necessarily a problem in its own making. but you are right, the bbc has had its licence fee frozen for the next two years, which will equate to a funding shortfall of around {1.4 billion over the next six years or so. and while doing

that, it is same channels are going to come under threat and it is doing that at the same time as launching a channel. the timing is definitely awkward. forthe channel. the timing is definitely awkward. for the bbc�*s say, i think supporters of the bbc have to keep in mind that the success of the organisation rely on it attracting new audiences and therefore new generations of licence fee payers. and that is why this bbc three play is important to the future of the bbc. ., ., ., is important to the future of the sac. ., ., ., , ., is important to the future of the sac. ., ., ., ., bbc. part of that play for young audiences is _ bbc. part of that play for young audiences is a _ bbc. part of that play for young audiences is a new _ bbc. part of that play for young audiences is a new programme | bbc. part of that play for young - audiences is a new programme called the catch up, three to four minute round—up of the news. this is some of the first edition. next up, several conservative mps have told _ next up, several conservative mps have told the bbc that they are unsure — have told the bbc that they are unsure whether or not to back the prime _ unsure whether or not to back the prime minister. it is after $00 great's — prime minister. it is after $00 great's initial report came out yesterday. she said during the pandemic there were failures of

leadership and judgment and excessive drinking at number ten and the cabinet _ excessive drinking at number ten and the cabinet office. that is where the cabinet office. that is where the prime — the cabinet office. that is where the prime minister's top team works. her format— the prime minister's top team works. her formal report will be released at any— her formal report will be released at any stage. the her formal report will be released at any stage-— her formal report will be released at any stage. the lead producer of the catchun _ at any stage. the lead producer of the catchun is _ at any stage. the lead producer of the catchup is with _ at any stage. the lead producer of the catchup is with us. _ at any stage. the lead producer of the catchup is with us. i _ at any stage. the lead producer of the catchup is with us. i know - at any stage. the lead producer of the catchup is with us. i know that before you even started putting a programme together, you did a lot of research about what younger people want from the news. i research about what younger people want from the news.— want from the news. i wonder what ou want from the news. i wonder what you found? — want from the news. i wonder what you found? we _ want from the news. i wonder what you found? we did, _ want from the news. i wonder what you found? we did, we _ want from the news. i wonder what you found? we did, we have - want from the news. i wonder what you found? we did, we have a - want from the news. i wonder what | you found? we did, we have a good team _ you found? we did, we have a good team in_ you found? we did, we have a good team in the — you found? we did, we have a good team in the audiences _ you found? we did, we have a good team in the audiences section - you found? we did, we have a good team in the audiences section of. you found? we did, we have a good| team in the audiences section of the bbc have _ team in the audiences section of the bbc have put— team in the audiences section of the bbc have put together _ team in the audiences section of the bbc have put together several - team in the audiences section of the bbc have put together several focusj bbc have put together several focus groups _ bbc have put together several focus groups they— bbc have put together several focus groups they found _ bbc have put together several focus groups. they found real— bbc have put together several focus groups. they found real people - bbc have put together several focus| groups. they found real people from across _ groups. they found real people from across the _ groups. they found real people from across the uk— groups. they found real people from across the uk most _ groups. they found real people from across the uk most importantly, - groups. they found real people from across the uk most importantly, in i across the uk most importantly, in that 16 _ across the uk most importantly, in that 16 to— across the uk most importantly, in that 16 to 24—year—old _ across the uk most importantly, in that 16 to 24—year—old age - across the uk most importantly, in that 16 to 24—year—old age group . that 16 to 24—year—old age group outside _ that 16 to 24—year—old age group outside of— that 16 to 24—year—old age group outside of london, _ that 16 to 24—year—old age group outside of london, outside - that 16 to 24—year—old age group outside of london, outside of. that 16 to 24—year—old age group| outside of london, outside of the metropolitan _ outside of london, outside of the metropolitan elite _ outside of london, outside of the metropolitan elite that _ outside of london, outside of the metropolitan elite that i - outside of london, outside of the metropolitan elite that i think- outside of london, outside of the metropolitan elite that i think we| metropolitan elite that i think we see on— metropolitan elite that i think we see on our— metropolitan elite that i think we see on our timelines, _ metropolitan elite that i think we see on our timelines, a - metropolitan elite that i think we see on our timelines, a certain . metropolitan elite that i think we i see on our timelines, a certain type of person — see on our timelines, a certain type of person. they— see on our timelines, a certain type of person. they found _ see on our timelines, a certain type of person. they found some - see on our timelines, a certain type of person. they found some real. of person. they found some real people _ of person. they found some real people and — of person. they found some real people and they _ of person. they found some real people and they did _ of person. they found some real people and they did a _ of person. they found some real people and they did a lot - of person. they found some real people and they did a lot of - people and they did a lot of research _ people and they did a lot of research and _ people and they did a lot of research and found - people and they did a lot of research and found they - people and they did a lot of - research and found they wanted things— research and found they wanted things explaining _ research and found they wanted things explaining to _ research and found they wanted things explaining to them - research and found they wanted things explaining to them in- research and found they wanted things explaining to them in a l things explaining to them in a slightly— things explaining to them in a

slightly more. _ things explaining to them in a slightly more, not _ things explaining to them in a slightly more, not a _ things explaining to them in a i slightly more, not a patronising things explaining to them in a - slightly more, not a patronising way but a _ slightly more, not a patronising way but a more — slightly more, not a patronising way but a more simplified _ slightly more, not a patronising way but a more simplified way _ slightly more, not a patronising way but a more simplified way unless i but a more simplified way unless assumption— but a more simplified way unless assumption they— but a more simplified way unless assumption they have _ but a more simplified way unless assumption they have been - but a more simplified way unless - assumption they have been following ongoing _ assumption they have been following ongoing stories — assumption they have been following ongoing stories and _ assumption they have been following ongoing stories and more _ assumption they have been following ongoing stories and more sense - assumption they have been following ongoing stories and more sense of. ongoing stories and more sense of content _ ongoing stories and more sense of content that — ongoing stories and more sense of content that is _ ongoing stories and more sense of content that is specifically - ongoing stories and more sense of content that is specifically for - content that is specifically for them — content that is specifically for them one _ content that is specifically for them. one quote _ content that is specifically for them. one quote even - content that is specifically for them. one quote even that. content that is specifically for - them. one quote even that stood outside _ them. one quote even that stood outside every— them. one quote even that stood outside every time _ them. one quote even that stood outside every time they- them. one quote even that stood outside every time they tuned - them. one quote even that stood outside every time they tuned inl them. one quote even that stood i outside every time they tuned in to the normal— outside every time they tuned in to the normal news _ outside every time they tuned in to the normal news of _ outside every time they tuned in to the normal news of the _ outside every time they tuned in to the normal news of the typical- outside every time they tuned in to i the normal news of the typical news, they felt _ the normal news of the typical news, they felt they — the normal news of the typical news, they felt they had _ the normal news of the typical news, they felt they had missed _ the normal news of the typical news, they felt they had missed a - the normal news of the typical news, they felt they had missed a million . they felt they had missed a million episodes _ they felt they had missed a million episodes since _ they felt they had missed a million episodes since they— they felt they had missed a million episodes since they last _ they felt they had missed a million episodes since they last tuned - they felt they had missed a million episodes since they last tuned in. i episodes since they last tuned in. and are _ episodes since they last tuned in. and are the — episodes since they last tuned in. and are the particular— episodes since they last tuned in. and are the particular stories - episodes since they last tuned in. | and are the particular stories they want you to cover, subject areas they didn't want to hear about, putting it another way? what they didn't want to hear about, putting it another way? what was the most interesting _ putting it another way? what was the most interesting during _ putting it another way? what was the most interesting during the _ most interesting during the research, _ most interesting during the research, you _ most interesting during the research, you would - most interesting during the. research, you would imagine most interesting during the i research, you would imagine a most interesting during the - research, you would imagine a really easy way— research, you would imagine a really easy way to — research, you would imagine a really easy way to attract _ research, you would imagine a really easy way to attract audiences - research, you would imagine a really easy way to attract audiences would i easy way to attract audiences would be easy way to attract audiences would he lets _ easy way to attract audiences would he lets put — easy way to attract audiences would he lets put in — easy way to attract audiences would be lets put in lots _ easy way to attract audiences would be lets put in lots of _ easy way to attract audiences would be lets put in lots of celebrity- be lets put in lots of celebrity stories. — be lets put in lots of celebrity stories, lets _ be lets put in lots of celebrity stories, lets put— be lets put in lots of celebrity stories, lets put in— be lets put in lots of celebrity stories, lets put in lots- be lets put in lots of celebrity stories, lets put in lots of- stories, lets put in lots of entertainment— stories, lets put in lots of entertainment stories. i stories, lets put in lots of entertainment stories. ai stories, lets put in lots of. entertainment stories. a lot stories, lets put in lots of- entertainment stories. a lot of the feedback— entertainment stories. a lot of the feedback was— entertainment stories. a lot of the feedback was overwhelmingly, - entertainment stories. a lot of the feedback was overwhelmingly, we| entertainment stories. a lot of the - feedback was overwhelmingly, we have already— feedback was overwhelmingly, we have already heard _ feedback was overwhelmingly, we have already heard about _ feedback was overwhelmingly, we have already heard about that _ feedback was overwhelmingly, we have already heard about that on _ feedback was overwhelmingly, we have already heard about that on social- already heard about that on social media _ already heard about that on social media so — already heard about that on social media so if— already heard about that on social media so if we _ already heard about that on social media so if we have _ already heard about that on social media so if we have heard - already heard about that on social media so if we have heard about i already heard about that on social. media so if we have heard about that 12 hours _ media so if we have heard about that 12 hours ago. — media so if we have heard about that 12 hours ago. the _ media so if we have heard about that 12 hours ago, the bbc— media so if we have heard about that 12 hours ago, the bbc is— media so if we have heard about that 12 hours ago, the bbc is not- media so if we have heard about that 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling i 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling us anything — 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling us anything new _ 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling us anything new. if— 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling us anything new. if there _ 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling us anything new. if there is - 12 hours ago, the bbc is not telling us anything new. if there is a - us anything new. if there is a reason — us anything new. if there is a reason to— us anything new. if there is a reason to do— us anything new. if there is a reason to do an _ us anything new. if there is a i

reason to do an entertainment us anything new. if there is a - reason to do an entertainment story because _ reason to do an entertainment story because it _ reason to do an entertainment story because it has — reason to do an entertainment story because it has broken, _ reason to do an entertainment story because it has broken, great. - reason to do an entertainment story because it has broken, great. but. reason to do an entertainment story because it has broken, great. but if| because it has broken, great. but if it is old. _ because it has broken, great. but if it is old. why— because it has broken, great. but if it is old, why would _ because it has broken, great. but if it is old, why would we _ because it has broken, great. but if it is old, why would we bother. - it is old, why would we bother. young — it is old, why would we bother. young people _ it is old, why would we bother. young people are _ it is old, why would we bother. young people are interested i it is old, why would we bother. young people are interested inj young people are interested in politics. — young people are interested in politics, international- young people are interested in politics, international stories. young people are interested in. politics, international stories and information— politics, international stories and information on— politics, international stories and information on things _ politics, international stories and information on things like - politics, international stories and information on things like the - information on things like the ukraine — information on things like the ukraine and _ information on things like the ukraine and if— information on things like the ukraine and if you _ information on things like the ukraine and if you know- information on things like the | ukraine and if you know about information on things like the - ukraine and if you know about the news _ ukraine and if you know about the news and — ukraine and if you know about the news and you _ ukraine and if you know about the news and you feel _ ukraine and if you know about the news and you feel informed, - ukraine and if you know about the news and you feel informed, you. ukraine and if you know about the i news and you feel informed, you can talk to— news and you feel informed, you can talk to your— news and you feel informed, you can talk to your friends _ news and you feel informed, you can talk to your friends or— news and you feel informed, you can talk to your friends or a _ news and you feel informed, you can talk to your friends or a colleague i talk to your friends or a colleague and feel_ talk to your friends or a colleague and feel smarter. _ talk to your friends or a colleague and feel smarter. but _ talk to your friends or a colleague and feel smarter.— talk to your friends or a colleague and feel smarter. but if all of that is true and _ and feel smarter. but if all of that is true and the _ and feel smarter. but if all of that is true and the bbc _ and feel smarter. but if all of that is true and the bbc were - and feel smarter. but if all of that is true and the bbc were to - and feel smarter. but if all of that is true and the bbc were to shape its news for this particular age group that you have described, why would you make a tv programme, why wouldn't you make digital content placed exactly where we know people of that age are spending a lot of time? 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channel, but let's turn now to what is definitely the biggest media squabble of the week. surely this is the first time we have had a story with neil young, joni mitchell and one of the well�*s most popular podcast host, joe rogan. elizabeth, help me out on this for people coming to the story fresh, what has happened in the last few days concerning those different characters?— concerning those different characters? ., ., ., ., characters? you have one of the most --oular characters? you have one of the most popular podcast _ characters? you have one of the most popular podcast is _ characters? you have one of the most popular podcast is in _ characters? you have one of the most popular podcast is in the _ characters? you have one of the most popular podcast is in the united - popular podcast is in the united states, i think he has an audience of 11 million, joe rogan. elite conservative and to the right and has some controversial guests who are very much out of mainstream thinking and have said some very offensive things as well and also promoted misinformation about covid. we can talk about what they have said, things like a prominent anti—vaccine that americans have been hypnotised into wearing masks and are duped into taking the

vaccine. he himself has questioned whether young people need to take the vaccine and said, he doesn't think you need to take it if you have already had covid, which is not what the medical experts have said. and on and on, there has been tonnes of offensive material. iie and on and on, there has been tonnes of offensive material.— of offensive material. he has put out a statement _ of offensive material. he has put out a statement insisting - of offensive material. he has put out a statement insisting he - of offensive material. he has put out a statement insisting he is i of offensive material. he has put. out a statement insisting he is not anti—vaccine. explain why concerns aboutjoe rogan and covid, which are not new, why have they escalated in the last few days?— the last few days? they started escalatin: the last few days? they started escalating a _ the last few days? they started escalating a couple _ the last few days? they started escalating a couple of- the last few days? they started escalating a couple of weeks i the last few days? they started l escalating a couple of weeks ago when there was a letter from 250 concerned scientists, worried about his comments. but then it really took off when neil young, who has a history of standing up against large institutions in the music industry, he said i am going to pull my music, it will be me orjoe rogan. and then joni mitchell followed him, and

other people followed. it has ballooned and internally, spotify�*s employee base which has been in crisis over rogan, they are having a town hall right now over the city. when neil young offered the option of spotify of young or rogan, so far, spotify have chosen rogan. he has millions of followers on social media and let me give you an idea of what his podcasts are like. sometimes conversations can be very long, over three hours. this is one with elon musk last year which drifted onto the question of the human race beyond earth. could you colonise the — human race beyond earth. could you colonise the galaxy _ human race beyond earth. could you colonise the galaxy in _ human race beyond earth. could you colonise the galaxy in a _ human race beyond earth. could you colonise the galaxy in a million - colonise the galaxy in a million years. — colonise the galaxy in a million years, absolutely you would build bases _ years, absolutely you would build bases on — years, absolutely you would build bases on mars and use malls tojump after these _ bases on mars and use malls tojump after these other set up places

there _ after these other set up places there and _ after these other set up places there and over thousands of years? you know. — there and over thousands of years? you know, from one solar system to the next _ you know, from one solar system to the next. ., , you know, from one solar system to the next. . , ., , the next. that is something for us to consider- _ the next. that is something for us to consider. jake, _ the next. that is something for us to consider. jake, media - to consider. jake, media correspondent at the times, can you explain why spotify, business initially based around music streaming would move so heavily into podcasting with an exclusive deal with joe rogan? podcasting with an exclusive deal withjoe rogan? first podcasting with an exclusive deal with joe rogan?— podcasting with an exclusive deal with joe rogan? first and foremost, odcastin: with joe rogan? first and foremost, podcasting is — with joe rogan? first and foremost, podcasting is booming _ with joe rogan? first and foremost, podcasting is booming at _ with joe rogan? first and foremost, podcasting is booming at the - with joe rogan? first and foremost, i podcasting is booming at the moment. joe rogan is perhaps spotify�*s biggest bet in this area. they have spent a reported £100 million, sorry $100 million tying him down into an exclusive deal. it speaks to the growing streaming and audio and spotify has determined that exclusivity over rogan is more valuable than the music of neil young. it is similar to what we have

seenin young. it is similar to what we have seen in television. television companies like netflix and disney are spending billions of dollars on original programming, exclusive shows that will bring audiences to their platform and make sure that they subscribe. we are seeing the same phenomenon in audio and that is whyjoe rogan is important to spotify, he is like a beacon. he is a huge figure in this area. find spotify, he is like a beacon. he is a huge figure in this area.- a huge figure in this area. and is art of a huge figure in this area. and is part of this _ a huge figure in this area. and is part of this as — a huge figure in this area. and is part of this as well, _ a huge figure in this area. and is part of this as well, elizabeth, i part of this as well, elizabeth, despite the fact spotify is one of the most popular streaming services in the world, it still struggles to make money off streaming music? exactly, the revenue, spotify went public— exactly, the revenue, spotify went public in _ exactly, the revenue, spotify went public in 2017 and is trying to transform _ public in 2017 and is trying to transform itself into a publisher. they— transform itself into a publisher. they are — transform itself into a publisher. they are a — transform itself into a publisher. they are a media company, it is the same _ they are a media company, it is the same when — they are a media company, it is the same when the washington post produces — same when the washington post produces a podcast, we have control over the _ produces a podcast, we have control over the content because it is

associated with our brand, it is our podcast _ associated with our brand, it is our podcast it— associated with our brand, it is our podcast it is— associated with our brand, it is our podcast. it is a transition from a platform — podcast. it is a transition from a platform to _ podcast. it is a transition from a platform to being a straight up media — platform to being a straight up media company and with that comes lots of— media company and with that comes lots of responsibilities. also, there — lots of responsibilities. also, there is— lots of responsibilities. also, there is revenue there right now, advertising — there is revenue there right now, advertising revenue is a small proportion of spotify's revenue, they make much more from subscriptions. when you look at the kind of— subscriptions. when you look at the kind of prices ads in an exclusive podcast — kind of prices ads in an exclusive podcast can— kind of prices ads in an exclusive podcast can generate, you start to understand also why they are going into it _ understand also why they are going into it not— understand also why they are going into it. notjust differentiation, because — into it. notjust differentiation, because streaming, any artist can stream _ because streaming, any artist can stream in — because streaming, any artist can stream in ten different places, that is why— stream in ten different places, that is why it _ stream in ten different places, that is why it is — stream in ten different places, that is why it is hard to make money. you make _ is why it is hard to make money. you make these — is why it is hard to make money. you make these exclusive deals with popular — make these exclusive deals with popular podcast as he will only post the content on your service and then you can _ the content on your service and then you can command really high ad prices _ you can command really high ad prices and — you can command really high ad prices and they are staking their future _ prices and they are staking their future on — prices and they are staking their future on that. you prices and they are staking their future on that.— prices and they are staking their future on that. ., ., , future on that. you get the money in return, future on that. you get the money in return. but — future on that. you get the money in return, but with _ future on that. you get the money in return, but with that _ future on that. you get the money in return, but with that comes - return, but with that comes responsibilities. let's speak about

that with marianna spring, bbc news's this information reporter. joe rogan has been accused of a range of things when it comes to covid misinformation, guide us through some of the areas he has got involved in? fine through some of the areas he has got involved in? ., through some of the areas he has got involved in?— involved in? one of the biggest concerns when _ involved in? one of the biggest concerns when it _ involved in? one of the biggest concerns when it comes - involved in? one of the biggest concerns when it comes to - involved in? one of the biggest - concerns when it comes to rogan's podcast _ concerns when it comes to rogan's podcast has — concerns when it comes to rogan's podcast has been _ concerns when it comes to rogan's podcast has been the _ concerns when it comes to rogan's podcast has been the fringe - concerns when it comes to rogan's podcast has been the fringe guestl concerns when it comes to rogan's i podcast has been the fringe guest he has a _ podcast has been the fringe guest he has a featuring — podcast has been the fringe guest he has a featuring on _ podcast has been the fringe guest he has a featuring on the _ podcast has been the fringe guest he has a featuring on the programmes i has a featuring on the programmes and that— has a featuring on the programmes and that they, _ has a featuring on the programmes and that they, in _ has a featuring on the programmes and that they, in many— has a featuring on the programmes and that they, in many ways, - has a featuring on the programmes i and that they, in many ways, become and that they, in many ways, become a gateway— and that they, in many ways, become a gateway into — and that they, in many ways, become a gateway into more _ and that they, in many ways, become a gateway into more extreme - and that they, in many ways, become a gateway into more extreme ways i and that they, in many ways, become a gateway into more extreme ways ofj a gateway into more extreme ways of thinking _ a gateway into more extreme ways of thinking and — a gateway into more extreme ways of thinking and more _ a gateway into more extreme ways of thinking and more can— a gateway into more extreme ways of thinking and more can spiritual- thinking and more can spiritual mentalities _ thinking and more can spiritual mentalities. recently- thinking and more can spiritual mentalities. recently he - thinking and more can spiritual mentalities. recently he had i thinking and more can spiritual mentalities. recently he had a| mentalities. recently he had a prominent _ mentalities. recently he had a prominent anti—vaccine - mentalities. recently he had a i prominent anti—vaccine influence, who has— prominent anti—vaccine influence, who has promoted _ prominent anti—vaccine influence, who has promoted a _ prominent anti—vaccine influence, who has promoted a number- prominent anti—vaccine influence, who has promoted a number of. prominent anti—vaccine influence, i who has promoted a number of false claims _ who has promoted a number of false claims about — who has promoted a number of false claims about the _ who has promoted a number of false claims about the vaccine _ who has promoted a number of false claims about the vaccine and - claims about the vaccine and suggesting _ claims about the vaccine and suggesting people _ claims about the vaccine and suggesting people should i claims about the vaccine andi suggesting people should not claims about the vaccine and - suggesting people should not have it or that _ suggesting people should not have it or that it— suggesting people should not have it or that it is— suggesting people should not have it or that it is causing _ suggesting people should not have it or that it is causing harm. _ suggesting people should not have it or that it is causing harm. and - or that it is causing harm. and people — or that it is causing harm. and people tuning _ or that it is causing harm. and people tuning into _ or that it is causing harm. and people tuning into the - or that it is causing harm. andl people tuning into the podcast, which _ people tuning into the podcast, which is — people tuning into the podcast, which is conversational, - people tuning into the podcast, which is conversational, like . people tuning into the podcast, i which is conversational, like you say and — which is conversational, like you say and they— which is conversational, like you say and they might _ which is conversational, like you say and they might find - which is conversational, like you say and they might find more i say and they might find more accessible _ say and they might find more accessible and _ say and they might find more accessible and interesting - say and they might find more i accessible and interesting than say and they might find more - accessible and interesting than some of the _ accessible and interesting than some of the accurate — accessible and interesting than some of the accurate and _ accessible and interesting than some of the accurate and slightly— accessible and interesting than some of the accurate and slightly more - 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follow up, googled this influencer and then find themselves brought into more — and then find themselves brought into more extreme _ and then find themselves brought into more extreme views. - and then find themselves brought into more extreme views. it - and then find themselves brought into more extreme views. it has i and then find themselves brought - into more extreme views. it has been the same _ into more extreme views. it has been the same when — into more extreme views. it has been the same when it— into more extreme views. it has been the same when it comes _ into more extreme views. it has been the same when it comes to— into more extreme views. it has been the same when it comes to different. the same when it comes to different topics _ the same when it comes to different topics from — the same when it comes to different topics from far— the same when it comes to different topics from far right _ the same when it comes to different topics from far right influence - the same when it comes to different topics from far right influence all. topics from far right influence all those _ topics from far right influence all those who— topics from far right influence all those who have _ topics from far right influence all those who have promoted - topics from far right influence all those who have promoted in- topics from far right influence all those who have promoted in cellj those who have promoted in cell -like _ those who have promoted in cell -like beliefs— those who have promoted in cell —like beliefs as _ those who have promoted in cell —like beliefs as well, _ those who have promoted in cell —like beliefs as well, about - those who have promoted in cell. —like beliefs as well, about women and so _ —like beliefs as well, about women and so on — —like beliefs as well, about women and so on. rogan's— —like beliefs as well, about women and so on. rogan's approach- —like beliefs as well, about women and so on. rogan's approach to - —like beliefs as well, about women i and so on. rogan's approach to this, i am and so on. rogan's approach to this, i am just— and so on. rogan's approach to this, i am just asking _ and so on. rogan's approach to this, i am just asking questions _ and so on. rogan's approach to this, i am just asking questions and - i am just asking questions and understand _ i am just asking questions and understand what— i am just asking questions and understand what different - i am just asking questions and i understand what different people think _ understand what different people think but — understand what different people think but it— understand what different people think. but it risks _ understand what different people think. but it risks pushing - understand what different people think. but it risks pushing people towards — think. but it risks pushing people towards these _ think. but it risks pushing people towards these extremes - think. but it risks pushing people towards these extremes that - think. but it risks pushing peoplel towards these extremes that they otherwise — towards these extremes that they otherwise would _ towards these extremes that they otherwise would have _ towards these extremes that they otherwise would have been - towards these extremes that they otherwise would have been aware j towards these extremes that they i otherwise would have been aware of. and i_ otherwise would have been aware of. and i guess _ otherwise would have been aware of. and i guess that— otherwise would have been aware of. and i guess that taps _ otherwise would have been aware of. and i guess that taps into _ otherwise would have been aware of. and i guess that taps into the - otherwise would have been aware of. and i guess that taps into the fact. and i guess that taps into the fact there are two interesting questions, one should these people even beat on his podcast in the first place? the second is, if they are going be there, how does he handle what they say? from newsweek, iwant to there, how does he handle what they say? from newsweek, i want to ask you about that. but this is a little of a toche joe rogan you about that. but this is a little of a tochejoe rogan put on instagram a few days into the story.

one of the things spotify want to do that i_ one of the things spotify want to do that i agree with is that at the beginning of these controversial podcast, — beginning of these controversial podcast, specifically one is about covid, _ podcast, specifically one is about covid, is — podcast, specifically one is about covid, is to— podcast, specifically one is about covid, is to put a disclaimer and say that— covid, is to put a disclaimer and say that you should speak with your physician _ say that you should speak with your physician and that these people and opinions _ physician and that these people and opinions they express are contrary to the _ opinions they express are contrary to the opinions of the consensus of experts _ to the opinions of the consensus of experts. which i think is very important. sure, have that on there, i am important. sure, have that on there, i am very— important. sure, have that on there, i am very happy with that. also, i think— i am very happy with that. also, i think if— i am very happy with that. also, i think if there is anything that i have _ think if there is anything that i have done that i could do better, is have _ have done that i could do better, is have more — have done that i could do better, is have more experts with differing opinions — have more experts with differing opinions right after i have the controversial ones. i would opinions right after i have the controversial ones. iwould most certainly— controversial ones. iwould most certainly be open to doing that. is certainly be open to doing that. [s that certainly be open to doing that. that good certainly be open to doing that. is that good enough for you? i have| certainly be open to doing that. is i that good enough for you? i have to correct a bit — that good enough for you? i have to correct a bit of _ that good enough for you? i have to correct a bit of the _ that good enough for you? i have to correct a bit of the disinformation i correct a bit of the disinformation we have heard. joe rogan is not a liberal, he voted for bernie sanders and promotes marijuana. he is to the left of the majority of the american

people. a lot of the people he has on our people who were very respected in the medicalfield until they fell foul of the reigning orthodoxy about covid. you know, what you have in the mainstream media is people who are redefining what science is and what the scientific method is. to me, you cannot change when they are changing their minds from week to week. let me give you an example, people who said that cloth masks don't work two years ago, had their accounts removed from social media. now it is the consensus of experts, because thatis the consensus of experts, because that is how science works. you float ideas, question them and then change your mind. and that is what has been under the definition of disinformation, literary science has been legislated out of social media. isn't the point that there is information being shared byjoe rogan's podcast which he doesn't label or challenge in any way as not

being backed up by the current evidence that is available. that is not helpful, is it?— not helpful, is it? what does that even mean. _ not helpful, is it? what does that even mean, he _ not helpful, is it? what does that even mean, he is _ not helpful, is it? what does that even mean, he is an _ not helpful, is it? what does that even mean, he is an entertainer, | not helpful, is it? what does that i even mean, he is an entertainer, he is giving an alternative point of view in the entire mainstream liberal media is giving the same view that gets disproven every week. that is interesting, you are comfortable with the idea that him as an entertainer is talking with the doctor who is out of sync with current scientific evidence and if they are saying things not backed up by evidence, that is why? abs, they are saying things not backed up by evidence, that is why? b. lat they are saying things not backed up by evidence, that is why?— by evidence, that is why? a lot of them have _ by evidence, that is why? a lot of them have been _ by evidence, that is why? a lot of them have been proven _ by evidence, that is why? a lot of them have been proven to - by evidence, that is why? a lot of them have been proven to be - by evidence, that is why? a lot of| them have been proven to be right over time. them have been proven to be right overtime. nobody them have been proven to be right over time. nobody is acknowledge that all of these things that we were told were true are no longer true. the science as we know, develops. i would like to say this is about science or politics, it is about class. the liberal mainstream media, like the democratic party is talking to the pyjama sets, white collar types who can work from home.

they are not going to him for medical advice, they want to hear how other people think.— medical advice, they want to hear how other people think. there are two er how other people think. there are two per separate _ how other people think. there are two per separate points, - how other people think. there are two per separate points, there i how other people think. there are two per separate points, there is l two per separate points, there is joe rogan speaking very effectively to a section of americans you don't feel is catered to by other sections of the media, then there is the other issue, how does he handle people coming onto his podcast and saying things that are not rooted in available sign to give evidence? hagar available sign to give evidence? how come nobody — available sign to give evidence? how come nobody is _ available sign to give evidence? firm come nobody is asking cnn that? available sign to give evidence? how| come nobody is asking cnn that? we do ask them those questions. marianna spring, how do you assess when something can be stated as categorically wrong or something stated as being unknown? fifteh categorically wrong or something stated as being unknown? often what we find his comments _ stated as being unknown? often what we find his comments can _ stated as being unknown? often what we find his comments can be - stated as being unknown? often what we find his comments can be made i we find his comments can be made that are _ we find his comments can be made that are misleading, for example, or something _ that are misleading, for example, or something that is partly true, will be then— something that is partly true, will be then misused to propagate something false. there have been a number—

something false. there have been a number of— something false. there have been a number of false claims about fertility. _ number of false claims about fertility, suggesting the vaccine will make you infertile, when there is a total— will make you infertile, when there is a total lack of scientific evidence. all kinds of doctors and experts _ evidence. all kinds of doctors and experts on — evidence. all kinds of doctors and experts on this topic say they don't understand — experts on this topic say they don't understand by what biological mechanism that could happen. we often _ mechanism that could happen. we often find — mechanism that could happen. we often find there is a lack of evidence _ often find there is a lack of evidence to back up some things and then something that is true in isolation _ then something that is true in isolation will be used to push false claims _ isolation will be used to push false claims about the vaccine, for example _ claims about the vaccine, for example. we see that in discussions on podcast _ example. we see that in discussions on podcast where people will go back and forth— on podcast where people will go back and forth and try to understand someone — and forth and try to understand someone else's perspective and it spirals _ someone else's perspective and it sirals. ., , someone else's perspective and it sirals. . , ., ~' spirals. elizabeth, do you think technology _ spirals. elizabeth, do you think technology companies, - spirals. elizabeth, do you think technology companies, which i spirals. elizabeth, do you think| technology companies, which is spirals. elizabeth, do you think - technology companies, which is what they were initially like spotify are geared up to handle these editorial challenges? oi geared up to handle these editorial challenues? _, , , geared up to handle these editorial challenues? .., , , , ., challenges? of course they should become a spotify _ challenges? of course they should become a spotify isn't _ challenges? of course they should become a spotify isn'tjust - challenges? of course they should become a spotify isn'tjust a - become a spotify isn't just a technology— become a spotify isn't just a technology company, - become a spotify isn't just a technology company, it - become a spotify isn't just a technology company, it is i become a spotify isn't just a technology company, it is a | become a spotify isn't just a - technology company, it is a media company— technology company, it is a media company and _ technology company, it is a media company and that _ technology company, it is a media company and that is _ technology company, it is a media company and that is what - technology company, it is a media company and that is what its - company and that is what its employees_ company and that is what its employees have _ company and that is what its employees have been - company and that is what its| employees have been asking company and that is what its - employees have been asking since the minute _ employees have been asking since the minute they— employees have been asking since the minute they signed _ employees have been asking since the minute they signed the _ employees have been asking since the minute they signed the deal— employees have been asking since the minute they signed the deal with - minute they signed the deal with rogan _ minute they signed the deal with

rogan, they— minute they signed the deal with rogan, they said, _ minute they signed the deal with rogan, they said, let— minute they signed the deal with rogan, they said, let have - minute they signed the deal with rogan, they said, let have some| rogan, they said, let have some editorial— rogan, they said, let have some editorial control. _ rogan, they said, let have some editorial control. just _ rogan, they said, let have some editorial control. just like - rogan, they said, let have some editorial control. just like any. editorial control. just like any other— editorial control. just like any other company— editorial control. just like any other company like _ editorial control. just like any other company like the - editorial control. just like any other company like the bbc. editorial control. just like any. other company like the bbc and editorial control. just like any- other company like the bbc and the washington — other company like the bbc and the washington post~ _ other company like the bbc and the washington post. i— other company like the bbc and the washington post.— other company like the bbc and the washington post. i have got to exert some control — washington post. i have got to exert some control on _ washington post. i have got to exert some control on this _ washington post. i have got to exert some control on this programme - some control on this programme because we are out of time. it has been fascinating talking to you, thank you very much. for me, and all of the media show team, goodbye. hello. there's lots of weather to talk about this weekend. rain for many, strong winds and also snow, particularly across scotland. it's all tied in with this frontal system. we have a cold front pushing its way southwards across the uk, colder air behind it, snow showers piling into scotland. notice the squeeze in the isobars, as well. we keep those strong winds as we head through tonight and into sunday. we'll see more frequent showers passing into scotland overnight. coupled with those strong and gusty winds brings a risk of blizzards.

further south, we have that band of rain continuing on its journey southwards, popping up through parts of wales, the midlands, south west england, some heavier rain here towards the end of the night, but much milder compared to last night, away from scotland where we will see temperatures close to if not below freezing, so a risk of ice here. also, we had a yellow warning from the met office across parts of northern and western scotland and through central belt for snow. 10 to 15 centimetres over higher ground, perhaps a couple of centimetres at lower levels — 3—5 centimetres, for example. we keep that risk of snow across scotland through tomorrow morning. some of those snow showers may push in to northern england. across the midlands, east anglia, south—east england, that morning rain will clear away to reveal some sunshine, but, really, it's a day of sunshine and showers for many of us, and those showers will be of snow for scotland and into northern england. still those gusty winds, so it's going to feel colder than these temperatures suggest, that colder air starting to push across much of the uk, may be 10 or 11 celsius across central and southern england. it may not feel that way given the strength of the wind. now, most of the showers will tend

to fade as we head through tomorrow evening and the risk of snow diminishes across scotland, so some clearer skies. cold, frosty night for many, ahead of more cloud, and something milderjust starting to push on monday. this is the bigger picture, if you like, on sunday — this warm front pushing across the uk, with high pressure just to the south. looks like we probably won't see much if any rain across central southern england and south wales and therain on monday perhaps across the north and west of scotland into northern england, maybe across north wales, some patchy rain for northern ireland. by and large, the further south and east you are should be drier, increasing cloud after a sunny, frosty start, and also a mild afternoon after that cold and frosty start. still some rain in the forecast on tuesday and wednesday, particularly the further north and west you are. further south, it stays dry for much of the week, and we'll all see something colder by the end of the week.

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