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the headlines... president macron and vladimir putin have been holding talks in moscow, the latest attempt to defuse the growing crisis over ukraine. as the talks began, russia said both sides had concerns about the security situation in europe. meanwhile, the new german chancellor has been meeting president biden on his first official visit to the white house. joe biden said the two allies were in lockstep. he later said diplomacy remained the best way to resolve the ukraine crisis — but the us and its allies would be ready if russia invaded uk opposition labour leader, sir keir starmer, has been escorted to safety by police, after he was targeted by a crowd near parliament. two arrests have been made after clashes between police and protesters. doctors in switzerland have used a spinal implant to enable a man whose nerves were completely severed in a motorbike accident to walk again. this is bbc news.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are broadcaster henry bonsu and lord digbyjones, former trade minister. —— it's actuallyjust henry, did be is not able to be gotten a hold up. oh, he has arrived, i think we've 0h, he has arrived, i think we've got him, i'vejust 0h, he has arrived, i think we've got him, i've just seen 0h, he has arrived, i think we've got him, i'vejust seen him waiting. thank goodness for that. lovely to see you both. butjust to warn you, we have had a mute button fitted if we have had a mute button fitted if we have had a mute button fitted if we have any trouble. the metro says borisjohnson is being accused of endangering sir keir starmer�*s
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life — after the labour leader was surrounded by a mob shouting allegations that he protected the likes ofjimmy savile. borisjohnson alleged the labour leader failed to prosecute jimmy savile when he was director of public prosecutions — which is a false claim. the guardian reports that mps from all sides angrily are rounding on borisjohnson, accusing him of whipping up political "poison" after the labour leader, keir starmer, was set upon by protesters. the �*i' predicts the next 48 hours could be crucial for the prime minister — as it suggests tory whips say mps can be absent from commons this week — in attempt to avoid a quick coup the financial times features emmanuel macron and vladimir putin at either end of a very long table in the kremlin, where they've been holding talks on ukraine today. meanwhile the daily telegraph claims six north sea oil and gas fields are expected to be approved later this year as number ten faces resistance over moves towards net zero. so let's begin...
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we like to keep everybody in suspense, don't be? including our guests. digby, thank you for persevering injoining us. it wouldn't have been the same without you. wouldn't have been the same without ou. . ~' wouldn't have been the same without ou. . ~ , ., y wouldn't have been the same without ou. . ~' , ., , . wouldn't have been the same without ou. . , . you. thank you very much, good evenin: , you. thank you very much, good evening. henry- _ you. thank you very much, good evening, henry. how— you. thank you very much, good evening, henry. how are - you. thank you very much, good evening, henry. how are we - you. thank you very much, good i evening, henry. how are we doing? that's why — evening, henry. how are we doing? that's why he _ evening, henry. how are we doing? that's why he speaking _ evening, henry. how are we doing? that's why he speaking german. - that's why he speaking german. that's why he speaking german. that's enough, now. find that's why he speaking german. that's enough, now.— that's enough, now. and i sat in . lorious that's enough, now. and i sat in glorious isolation _ that's enough, now. and i sat in glorious isolation for _ that's enough, now. and i sat in glorious isolation for a _ that's enough, now. and i sat in glorious isolation for a minute. i glorious isolation for a minute. will you be speaking another language? that is what we want. right, shall he do some papers? yes, let's. let's start with the metro. this is something that happened this afternoon, henry. the shadow foreign secretary david lanny and sir kier
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starmer have been to the main office and were set upon by protesters. wow, it appears that it was fuelled by the _ wow, it appears that it was fuelled by the prime minister's comments add to pmds _ by the prime minister's comments add to pmds last week, a group event have access, 4—h protesters surrounded kier starmer and started hurling _ surrounded kier starmer and started hurling all_ surrounded kier starmer and started hurling all kinds of slurs at the two of — hurling all kinds of slurs at the two of them was that they were in some _ two of them was that they were in some danger it would appear. they look at _ some danger it would appear. they look at the — some danger it would appear. they look at the aerial shot. these people — look at the aerial shot. these people got very close to them, thank goodness _ people got very close to them, thank goodness the police were there. it is important to say that the leader of the _ is important to say that the leader of the opposition in the shadow foreign— of the opposition in the shadow foreign secretary don't get the same kind of— foreign secretary don't get the same kind of protection as the prime minister— kind of protection as the prime minister and the foreign secretary, so they— minister and the foreign secretary, so they can — minister and the foreign secretary, so they can be vulnerable when walking — so they can be vulnerable when walking down the streets. you can understand why people got very angry with the _ understand why people got very angry with the prime minister for pouring fuel onto _ with the prime minister for pouring fuel onto this situation, because there's— fuel onto this situation, because there's not— fuel onto this situation, because there's not a lot of people out there — there's not a lot of people out there who don't need very much of an excuse _ there who don't need very much of an excuse or— there who don't need very much of an excuse or reason to attack, and it
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falls into — excuse or reason to attack, and it falls into insane conspiracy theories _ falls into insane conspiracy theories about kier starmer when he was director of public prosecutions, and reminds me of the loose tongue of boris _ and reminds me of the loose tongue of borisjohnson when and reminds me of the loose tongue of boris johnson when he was and reminds me of the loose tongue of borisjohnson when he was foreign secretary— of borisjohnson when he was foreign secretary and what he said wrongly about _ secretary and what he said wrongly about nazneen cigar a radcliffe, the british— about nazneen cigar a radcliffe, the british iranian women, six years nearly— british iranian women, six years nearly into — british iranian women, six years nearly into a sentence and iran, and he said— nearly into a sentence and iran, and he said at— nearly into a sentence and iran, and he said at the time, well, she was teaching _ he said at the time, well, she was teaching journalism as i understand it, completely wrong, and the iranians — it, completely wrong, and the iranians leapt on that, so loose lips iranians leapt on that, so loose libs sink— iranians leapt on that, so loose lips sink ships and our prime minister— lips sink ships and our prime minister should not be doing that. words _ minister should not be doing that. words matter, digby. xliter? minister should not be doing that. words matter, digby.— minister should not be doing that. words matter, digby. very much so. there is one — words matter, digby. very much so. there is one slight _ words matter, digby. very much so. there is one slight angle _ words matter, digby. very much so. there is one slight angle on - words matter, digby. very much so. there is one slight angle on this - there is one slight angle on this that henry has missed which we will come to a just one minute, but where i absolutely agree with the central theme of his argument is that he has theme of his argument is that he has the prime minister, and it is not a position nor a location everfor loose lips. many people could take
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the view, and this is the one point which is that it is right that kier starmer was the head of the crown prosecution service at the time, but he had no knowledge of it, he was not part of it in any way shape or form, but the concept of the overall responsibility between the captain on the bridge, if you like, it is apparent, but it's not fair prime minister to make in pm cues, and it is certainly not something that should be raised in any way shape or form when you know that you are in such a hostile atmosphere with so much hate and division, which is so sad in our society that you get something like that, it gets exploded, the nuances of what i've just said is completely ignored, probably not even acknowledged, and you get the challenge, and it is the challenge to democracy of the fact that two people in our democracy can have fundamentally different views
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and agreed to disagree. isn't that what decent proper politics is about? and for the leader of the opposition, it is irrelevant, the political view, opposition, it is irrelevant, the politicalview, it's opposition, it is irrelevant, the political view, it's irrelevant to their position, but to get attacked, really, and certainly threatened like this and need police protection is such an affront to the parliamentary debate and to the argument of serious issues, it is notjust saddening, it is so upsetting, and in that respect, i think the more people that can cover this in the way of this is an attack on democracy, the better. let’s this in the way of this is an attack on democracy, the better. let's look at the eye. — on democracy, the better. let's look at the eye. the _ on democracy, the better. let's look at the eye, the police _ on democracy, the better. let's look at the eye, the police rescue - on democracy, the better. let's look at the eye, the police rescue kier- at the eye, the police rescue kier starmer as the pm faces crunch 48 hours. after that slur, those allegations that borisjohnson made last week in the house of commons, he did not say that she did say he was not speaking of his personal record, he has nothing to do personally with those decisions, but some people want to have recognised
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or realised what that meant if they even heard it, and the problem is the initial statement that he made in the house of commons which got a lot of publicity is the thing that some people will have picked up and ran with. $5 some people will have picked up and ran with. �* , some people will have picked up and ran with. . , ., , ran with. as i said earlier, they don't need _ ran with. as i said earlier, they don't need much _ ran with. as i said earlier, they i don't need much encouragement, ran with. as i said earlier, they - don't need much encouragement, which is why— don't need much encouragement, which is why the _ don't need much encouragement, which is why the prime minister was seen by his— is why the prime minister was seen by his own — is why the prime minister was seen by his own side is completely irresponsible and by his own former head of— irresponsible and by his own former head of policy, it was a far. she stayed with him through thick and thin, she was considered to be _ thick and thin, she was considered to be his _ thick and thin, she was considered to be his brains, but she said you need _ to be his brains, but she said you need to— to be his brains, but she said you need to apologise. it's not too late for you _ need to apologise. it's not too late foryou~ it's— need to apologise. it's not too late for you. it's too late for me but not too — for you. it's too late for me but not too late _ for you. it's too late for me but not too late for you. and we saw him tweeting _ not too late for you. and we saw him tweeting earlier on today to say, no, this— tweeting earlier on today to say, no, this is— tweeting earlier on today to say, no, this is wrong, it's outrageous, whatever, — no, this is wrong, it's outrageous, whatever, but he did not apologise,, and a _ whatever, but he did not apologise,, and a number of very senior conservatives are infuriated by this, _ conservatives are infuriated by this, and — conservatives are infuriated by this, and it will add commit was stiff and — this, and it will add commit was stiff and the resolve of those people who think he is not fit for office and — people who think he is not fit for office and thinking, well, i will wait _ office and thinking, well, i will wait for— office and thinking, well, i will wait for the report before hand in
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my wait for the report before hand in nty letter— wait for the report before hand in my letter to the chairman of the 1922 committee. some of them well now look— 1922 committee. some of them well now look at the consequences of his words _ now look at the consequences of his words last— now look at the consequences of his words last week and say, actually, i really— words last week and say, actually, i really don't — words last week and say, actually, i really don't think he should be in downing — really don't think he should be in downing street a moment longer. they may downing street a moment longer. they nfay get— downing street a moment longer. they may get to _ downing street a moment longer. they may get to that 54 letters sooner than we — may get to that 54 letters sooner than we think. interestingly, it would — than we think. interestingly, it would appear at torrey mp has been told they— would appear at torrey mp has been told they do not need to be in the palace _ told they do not need to be in the palace of— told they do not need to be in the palace of westminster this week, they can — palace of westminster this week, they can go home because there are fears that _ they can go home because there are fears that if — they can go home because there are fears that if they see each other face—to—face, they will collude, they— face—to—face, they will collude, they will— face—to—face, they will collude, they will polite, and they well, you know, _ they will polite, and they well, you know. be _ they will polite, and they well, you know, be more like i said in those letters _ know, be more like i said in those letters. these whips have heard, and these _ letters. these whips have heard, and these guys _ letters. these whips have heard, and these guys do not need to see each other— these guys do not need to see each other face—to—face to plot. and these guys do not need to see each other face-to-face to plot.- other face-to-face to plot. and you can take an — other face-to-face to plot. and you can take an e-mail, _ other face-to-face to plot. and you can take an e-mail, you _ other face-to-face to plot. and you can take an e-mail, you know, - can take an e—mail, you know, doesn't have to be on vellum. the guardian, digby, angry mps blame borisjohnson after guardian, digby, angry mps blame boris johnson after anti—vector guardian, digby, angry mps blame borisjohnson after anti—vector is set upon kier starmer. david lemi saying it's no surprise that
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conspiracy theorists repeated slur is that we heard at the dispatch box last week, intimidation and harassment have no place in our democracy. borisjohnson agrees. do you thank you should not retract properly, he agrees that they should not be intimidation, elected members shouldn't be set upon like this, she what should he do to diffuse this? two things he could do, one would be, as he said, a form of apology. he's got to choose his words carefully, however. a lot of people are accusing him of being the captain on the bridge at the time that that things were done over which he had overall control, but did or didn't know. that is yet to be found out. and in that respect, you always have to understand that people can be accused of being knowledgeable of something where they are not but they are that person ultimately responsible, and ultimately carried the canned. there was no evidence _ ultimately carried the canned. there was no evidence that _ ultimately carried the canned. there
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was no evidence that kier _ ultimately carried the canned. there was no evidence that kier starmer was no evidence that kier starmer was involved at any point in the discussion over this, just to be absolutely clear. discussion over this, 'ust to be absolutely clear.— discussion over this, 'ust to be absolutely clear. no, no, and i said it earlier. you _ absolutely clear. no, no, and i said it earlier. you are _ absolutely clear. no, no, and i said it earlier. you are absolutely - it earlier. you are absolutely right. but he was the boss of the cps and he was the captain on the bridge at the time, and i think i'm right, henry will correct me if i'm wrong, that he did actually sign off the letter from the cps to say, sorry about this, ago, years ago, so... . , sorry about this, ago, years ago, so... . y , y sorry about this, ago, years ago, so... ., , , , ., so... really robustly, no, he apologised _ so... really robustly, no, he apologised on _ so... really robustly, no, he apologised on behalf - so... really robustly, no, he apologised on behalf of - so... really robustly, no, he apologised on behalf of the l apologised on behalf of the organisationjust as the apologised on behalf of the organisation just as the mets police commissioner... organisation just as the mets police commissioner. . ._ commissioner... that's what i'm sa inc. commissioner... that's what i'm saying- that's — commissioner... that's what i'm saying. that's what _ commissioner... that's what i'm saying. that's what i'm. .. - commissioner... that's what i'm| saying. that's what i'm... henry, that's what i'm saying. that's exactly what i'm saying. crosstalk. when he himself— exactly what i'm saying. crosstalk. when he himself says _ exactly what i'm saying. crosstalk. when he himself says i _ exactly what i'm saying. crosstalk. when he himself says i will, - exactly what i'm saying. crosstalk. when he himself says i will, i - when he himself says i will, i didn't— when he himself says i will, i didn't know there was a party. i was assured _ didn't know there was a party. i was assured that — didn't know there was a party. i was assured that there were no parties, and finally— assured that there were no parties, and finally he had to apologise can he's asking kier starmer to take
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responsibility for him to take response ability for something he had no _ response ability for something he had no responsibility for whatsoever. these parties, many of them _ whatsoever. these parties, many of them took— whatsoever. these parties, many of them took place in his house. let�*s them took place in his house. let's move on to — them took place in his house. let's move on to the _ them took place in his house. let's move on to the ft, _ them took place in his house. let's move on to the ft, digby. - them took place in his house. let�*s move on to the ft, digby. table talk. micron looks to avoid war, fantastic picture of president negron and putin sitting at that very long ivory coloured table, desperately trying to stop further escalations of tensions around ukraine. . . escalations of tensions around ukraine. , , , ., ukraine. yes, this is a newspaper review, ukraine. yes, this is a newspaper review. you _ ukraine. yes, this is a newspaper review, you know, _ ukraine. yes, this is a newspaper review, you know, that's - ukraine. yes, this is a newspaper review, you know, that's a - ukraine. yes, this is a newspaper . review, you know, that's a wonderful wonderful picture, to actually sum of 1000 words, which is if you want diplomacy, this is it, you know, it's a classic positioning by putin. here is my desk, and he sits down at my table, but he is so far away you are going to need binoculars. it diminishes micron, it makes him look small and it makes this huge weight
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expanse between the two of them, which is beautifully figuratively about the gap in the views of both sides. so if macron was going there to show off and say i'm going to brokered the peace all the typically french stuff that they do, i think it's backfired because putin has basically said you are sitting over there and it's my show. where macron might have done a good thing is that as churchill said all those years ago, more talks are already better than mark war. the more they talk, the better it is. i am pleased that western leaders are going to moscow and talking, i am pleased that president negron has eased his office to actually getting audience, but the visual effect of this is basically saying there is a gulf between us and what's more, you are over there and i'm in charge. that's not a good position to be photographed and.-
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not a good position to be photographed and. they will be car in: photographed and. they will be carrying on _ photographed and. they will be carrying on talking, _ photographed and. they will be carrying on talking, more - photographed and. they will be carrying on talking, more talks| photographed and. they will be i carrying on talking, more talks in photographed and. they will be - carrying on talking, more talks in a few days we are told, meanwhile, in washington, henry, as the daily telegraph is reporting, the us and germany threatened norton stream two, the pipeline as britain commits extra trips to poland. this is all off schultz and his first visit to the white house today. indeed, it's interestin: the white house today. indeed, it's interesting commenting _ the white house today. indeed, it's interesting commenting on - the white house today. indeed, it's interesting commenting on this - the white house today. indeed, it's. interesting commenting on this story from germany, where some of the newspapers have been saying where is alive mica _ newspapers have been saying where is alive mica it _ newspapers have been saying where is alive mica it took over from angela meri
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detach himself from nato policy, so he's trying — detach himself from nato policy, so he's trying to shore up the german position— he's trying to shore up the german position and show the americans that we are _ position and show the americans that we are in— position and show the americans that we are in lockstep with you, trying to ramp _ we are in lockstep with you, trying to ramp up — we are in lockstep with you, trying to ramp up his rhetoric. the big question— to ramp up his rhetoric. the big question is— to ramp up his rhetoric. the big question is what he says to put in when _ question is what he says to put in when he — question is what he says to put in when he goes to moscow next week be the same _ when he goes to moscow next week be the same as— when he goes to moscow next week be the same as is being said to president biden and tony blank from the secretary of state today. he's in a very— the secretary of state today. he's in a very uncomfortable position, and inexperienced chancellor. he was and inexperienced chancellor. he was a foreign— and inexperienced chancellor. he was a foreign ministerand and inexperienced chancellor. he was a foreign minister and a finance previously. _ a foreign minister and a finance previously, but people will be watching germany and their foreign policy— watching germany and their foreign policy very— watching germany and their foreign policy very closely indeed. just briefl , policy very closely indeed. just briefly, whatever _ policy very closely indeed. just briefly, whatever military manoeuvres nato makes, president putin surely can say see what i mean? the security of russia is once again being threatened. bond mean? the security of russia is once again being threatened.— again being threatened. and you see this throu . h again being threatened. and you see this through russian _ again being threatened. and you see this through russian eyes, _ again being threatened. and you see this through russian eyes, it's - again being threatened. and you see this through russian eyes, it's not i this through russian eyes, it's not just put in and put in place into the psyche of the russian people, they do see nato as a threat, you
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and i might sit here and see nato

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