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this is bbc world news, the headlines: the premier of ontario has declared a state of emergency, as covid demonstrations continue across the canadian province. he said protestors could face fines or even prison if they refused to disperse. nato allies have been meeting to discuss ukraine. the us has warned that a russian invasion could happen at any time — but says there is nothing yet to indicate vladimir putin has decided to do so. president biden has signed an executive order seizing seven billion dollars of afghan central bank assets held in the us. some of the money could be used to settle lawsuits brought by american victims of terror attacks. russia says the teenage figure skater kamila valieva should be allowed to compete at the winter olympics — despite a positive doping test. the fifteen year old won the team competition, and is due to compete as an individual.
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at ten o'clock clive myrie will be here with a full round up of the days news. first, though, here's newscast with chris mason. so today's news cast me bring you gloria and joe. welcome. so today's news cast me bring you gloria and joe. welcome.- gloria and joe. welcome. great to be here. we gloria and joe. welcome. great to be here- we have _ gloria and joe. welcome. great to be here. we have got _ gloria and joe. welcome. great to be here. we have got an _ gloria and joe. welcome. great to be here. we have got an upgrade. - gloria and joe. welcome. great to be here. we have got an upgrade. and l here. we have got an upgrade. and ou here. we have got an upgrade. and you brought — here. we have got an upgrade. and you brought your— here. we have got an upgrade. and you brought your beakers. - here. we have got an upgrade. and you brought your beakers. aren't i you brought your beakers. aren't they smart? _ you brought your beakers. aren't they smart? not _ you brought your beakers. aren't they smart? not as _ you brought your beakers. aren't they smart? not as good - you brought your beakers. aren't they smart? not as good as - you brought your beakers. aren't they smart? not as good as ours| you brought your beakers. aren't - they smart? not as good as ours but they smart? not as good as ours but the are they smart? not as good as ours but they are rrot — they smart? not as good as ours but they are not bad. _ they smart? not as good as ours but they are not bad. i _ they smart? not as good as ours but they are not bad. i think they - they smart? not as good as ours but they are not bad. i think they look. they are not bad. i think they look aood. so they are not bad. i think they look good. so gloria, _ they are not bad. i think they look good. so gloria, she _ they are not bad. i think they look good. so gloria, she was - they are not bad. i think they look good. so gloria, she was featured they are not bad. i think they look. good. so gloria, she was featured in the news courtesy _ good. so gloria, she was featured in the news courtesy of— good. so gloria, she was featured in the news courtesy of the _ good. so gloria, she was featured in the news courtesy of the new - the news courtesy of the new director of communications in downing street and gave an interview to welsh language magazine about the business of going to see the prime minister to get signed on the dotted line. �* , , ., ~' minister to get signed on the dotted line. �* , , ., ~ ., minister to get signed on the dotted line. �* , , ., ,., line. and they broke into song after she said to him _ line. and they broke into song after she said to him i _ line. and they broke into song after she said to him i am reporting - line. and they broke into song after she said to him i am reporting for. she said to him i am reporting for duty prime minister and then said will you survive borisjohnson? find
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will you survive boris johnson? and the prime will you survive borisjohnson? and the prime minister said i will survive and off they went to the two of them. flit survive and off they went to the two of them. . ., , survive and off they went to the two of them. u, , . survive and off they went to the two of them. _, , ., ., of them. of course later on in the interview. — of them. of course later on in the interview. he _ of them. of course later on in the interview, he said _ of them. of course later on in the interview, he said 9096 _ of them. of course later on in the interview, he said 9096 of- of them. of course later on in the | interview, he said 9096 of our time interview, he said 90% of our time was talking about the serious business of government but there was this rather? >> nine where he says in the prime minister is not a complete clown which is reassuring.— minister is not a complete clown which is reassuring. yes. 9096 of the time on politics _ which is reassuring. yes. 9096 of the time on politics life _ which is reassuring. yes. 9096 of the time on politics life as _ which is reassuring. yes. 9096 of the time on politics life as this story - time on politics life as this story was breaking... it time on politics life as this story was breaking. . ._ time on politics life as this story was breaking... it was irresistible not to was breaking... it was irresistible rrot to ask — was breaking... it was irresistible not to ask politicians _ was breaking... it was irresistible not to ask politicians the - was breaking... it was irresistible not to ask politicians the former i not to ask politicians the former first minister of northern ireland whether or not the prime minister had ever sung to them in the time into what she said. it had ever sung to them in the time into what she said.— had ever sung to them in the time into what she said. it made me think ofthe into what she said. it made me think of the time-dependent _ into what she said. it made me think of the time-dependent estate - into what she said. it made me think of the time-dependent estate saying of the time—dependent estate saying come on _ of the time—dependent estate saying come on arlene to me which of course is... , , ., . ., come on arlene to me which of course is... did you cringe at the time? that is right. — is... did you cringe at the time? that is right, the _ is... did you cringe at the time? that is right, the is _ is... did you cringe at the time?
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that is right, the is someone . is... did you cringe at the time? | that is right, the is someone who has a _ that is right, the is someone who has a sense — that is right, the is someone who has a sense of fun but he had enough history— has a sense of fun but he had enough history where he knows to get on with the — history where he knows to get on with the job. history where he knows to get on with the job-— history where he knows to get on with the job. with the 'ob. boris johnson has cut a whole with the job. boris johnson has cut a whole wedding _ with the job. boris johnson has cut a whole wedding playlist _ with the job. boris johnson has cut a whole wedding playlist it - with the job. boris johnson has cut a whole wedding playlist it would l a whole wedding playlist it would seem for every conceivable moment of state. d0 seem for every conceivable moment of state. ,. ~ seem for every conceivable moment of state. , ., ~ ., ., ., state. do you think he thought of a son: for state. do you think he thought of a song for everyone _ state. do you think he thought of a song for everyone he _ state. do you think he thought of a song for everyone he meets? - state. do you think he thought of a song for everyone he meets? i - state. do you think he thought of a - song for everyone he meets? i wonder what he would — song for everyone he meets? i wonder what he would sing _ song for everyone he meets? i wonder what he would sing to _ song for everyone he meets? i wonder what he would sing to you _ song for everyone he meets? i wonder what he would sing to you if _ song for everyone he meets? i wonder what he would sing to you if you - what he would sing to you if you came on politics life? i what he would sing to you if you came on politics life?— what he would sing to you if you came on politics life? i will dwell on that and _ came on politics life? i will dwell on that and get _ came on politics life? i will dwell on that and get back _ came on politics life? i will dwell on that and get back to - came on politics life? i will dwell on that and get back to you. - came on politics life? i will dwell on that and get back to you. no. came on politics life? i will dwell- on that and get back to you. no more sinrain , on that and get back to you. no more singing. we — on that and get back to you. no more singing, we promise _ on that and get back to you. no more singing, we promise in _ on that and get back to you. no more singing, we promise in the _ on that and get back to you. no more singing, we promise in the rest - on that and get back to you. no more singing, we promise in the rest of. singing, we promise in the rest of this edition of newscast. hello. it is chris in the studio. hello, it isjoe in the studio. and hello, it is joe in the studio. and it is lara in _ hello, it is joe in the studio. and it is lara in a _ hello, it is joe in the studio. and it is lara in a very _ hello, it isjoe in the studio. and it is lara in a very empty looking nato _ it is lara in a very empty looking nato headquarters in brussels. hello eve bod . nato headquarters in brussels. hello everybody- has _ nato headquarters in brussels. hello everybody. has everyone gone home? nato headquarters in brussels. hello i everybody. has everyone gone home? i think they have which given that we are in— think they have which given that we are in the _ think they have which given that we are in the middle of a big crisis that— are in the middle of a big crisis that we — are in the middle of a big crisis that we will be talking about on the show tonight it feels kind of like we are _ show tonight it feels kind of like we are the only people here so i hope _ we are the only people here so i houe you — we are the only people here so i hope you don't get locked in. it's
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nice to _ hope you don't get locked in. it's nice to have _ hope you don't get locked in. it's nice to have you with us. we would normatiy— nice to have you with us. we would normaity sit — nice to have you with us. we would normally sit next to each other in the studio— normally sit next to each other in the studio on wednesdays but very nice that _ the studio on wednesdays but very nice that you are with us on newscast tonight.— nice that you are with us on newscast tonight. you are used to deafinu newscast tonight. you are used to dealing with _ newscast tonight. you are used to dealing with people _ newscast tonight. you are used to dealing with people who - newscast tonight. you are used to dealing with people who have - newscast tonight. you are used to dealing with people who have got| dealing with people who have got lots to say about politics so you are very welcome and will be entirely at home on newscast. thank ou for entirely at home on newscast. thank you for that- — entirely at home on newscast. thank you for that. let's _ entirely at home on newscast. thank you for that. let's talk _ entirely at home on newscast. thank you for that. let's talk about - you for that. let's talk about international _ you for that. let's talk about international diplomacy. - you for that. let's talk about international diplomacy. the i you for that. let's talk about - international diplomacy. the focus on newscast for the last few weeks we've been talking politics has been all the domestic stuff and the parties and all of that and right now we're in the middle of this big discussion about ukraine and about russia and about what the west does is all of these trips start messing on the russian side of the border with ukraine and hugh have seen this diplomacy playing out today with the prime minister and cara starmer and we will come in a bit heading to nato and the prime minister hopping onto warsaw as well.— nato and the prime minister hopping onto warsaw as well. there has been tonnes of it — onto warsaw as well. there has been tonnes of it and _ onto warsaw as well. there has been tonnes of it and don't _ onto warsaw as well. there has been tonnes of it and don't forget - onto warsaw as well. there has been tonnes of it and don't forget the - tonnes of it and don't forget the defence — tonnes of it and don't forget the defence secretary ben wallace and
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needs _ defence secretary ben wallace and needs both are in moscow. it's really— needs both are in moscow. it's really been a day where he have seen uk leaders _ really been a day where he have seen uk leaders trying to get to grips with what's been building up for a lon- with what's been building up for a long time — with what's been building up for a long time now, that really worrying situation _ long time now, that really worrying situation. you have got more than 100,000 — situation. you have got more than 100,000 russian troops all parked up on the _ 100,000 russian troops all parked up on the border with ukraine and obviousiy— on the border with ukraine and obviously given the history and the tensions— obviously given the history and the tensions in— obviously given the history and the tensions in the region, massive nerves— tensions in the region, massive nerves about what that might mean for that— nerves about what that might mean for that country which is a partner although— for that country which is a partner although not a formal ally of nato and why— although not a formal ally of nato and why that matters is because nato is basicaiiy— and why that matters is because nato is basically make a big club where if one _ is basically make a big club where if one country is attacked or threatened everybody else pales in. that's _ threatened everybody else pales in. that's the _ threatened everybody else pales in. that's the deal. the ukraine is in this unusual _ that's the deal. the ukraine is in this unusual position where they are not a _ this unusual position where they are not a full— this unusual position where they are not a full member but they are a partner— not a full member but they are a partner so— not a full member but they are a partner so you have these western leaders _ partner so you have these western leaders ready to ring up to say to russia _ leaders ready to ring up to say to russia we — leaders ready to ring up to say to russia we are watching and we are taking _ russia we are watching and we are taking this — russia we are watching and we are taking this seriously and are doing things— taking this seriously and are doing things like — taking this seriously and are doing things like the uk announced today sending _ things like the uk announced today sending another thousand troops to be ready— sending another thousand troops to be ready in— sending another thousand troops to
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be ready in the region in case the worst— be ready in the region in case the worst happens and there's a big humanitarian crisis but if you listen — humanitarian crisis but if you listen to _ humanitarian crisis but if you listen to the prime minister today speaking — listen to the prime minister today speaking at a press conference this morning _ speaking at a press conference this morning he — speaking at a press conference this morning he sounded pretty clear that this is— morning he sounded pretty clear that this is reaching some kind of climax which _ this is reaching some kind of climax which might not be a happy one. let's _ which might not be a happy one. let's listen. our intelligence i'm afraid _ let's listen. our intelligence i'm afraid to — let's listen. our intelligence i'm afraid to say _ let's listen. our intelligence i'm afraid to say remains _ let's listen. our intelligence i'm afraid to say remains grim - let's listen. our intelligence i'm afraid to say remains grim and l let's listen. our intelligence i'm i afraid to say remains grim and we are seeing— afraid to say remains grim and we are seeing the— afraid to say remains grim and we are seeing the amassing - afraid to say remains grim and we are seeing the amassing of- afraid to say remains grim and we are seeing the amassing of huge i are seeing the amassing of huge numbers— are seeing the amassing of huge numbers of— are seeing the amassing of huge numbers of tactical— are seeing the amassing of huge numbers of tactical battalion - are seeing the amassing of huge i numbers of tactical battalion grips on the _ numbers of tactical battalion grips on the borders— numbers of tactical battalion grips on the borders of— numbers of tactical battalion grips on the borders of ukraine. - numbers of tactical battalion grips on the borders of ukraine. 70 - numbers of tactical battalion grips on the borders of ukraine. 70 or. on the borders of ukraine. 70 or more _ on the borders of ukraine. 70 or more this — on the borders of ukraine. 70 or more this is _ on the borders of ukraine. 70 or more. this is probably— on the borders of ukraine. 70 or more. this is probably the - on the borders of ukraine. 70 or more. this is probably the most| more. this is probably the most dangerous— more. this is probably the most dangerous moment _ more. this is probably the most dangerous moment i _ more. this is probably the most dangerous moment i would - more. this is probably the most dangerous moment i would sayl more. this is probably the most. dangerous moment i would say in more. this is probably the most- dangerous moment i would say in the course _ dangerous moment i would say in the course of— dangerous moment i would say in the course of the — dangerous moment i would say in the course of the next _ dangerous moment i would say in the course of the next today's _ dangerous moment i would say in the course of the next today's and - dangerous moment i would say in the course of the next today's and what . course of the next today's and what is the _ course of the next today's and what is the biggest — course of the next today's and what is the biggest security— course of the next today's and what is the biggest security crisis - course of the next today's and what is the biggest security crisis that. is the biggest security crisis that europe _ is the biggest security crisis that europe has— is the biggest security crisis that europe has faced _ is the biggest security crisis that europe has faced for _ is the biggest security crisis that europe has faced for decades. . is the biggest security crisis that. europe has faced for decades. what is interesting _ europe has faced for decades. what is interesting over _ europe has faced for decades. what is interesting over the _ europe has faced for decades. is interesting over the last few days particularly is this idea that the government would very much like everybody especially us in the media to focus on what's going on and what the government is doing in
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diplomatically russia and ukraine and forget to some extent what's going on at home. parties, events, metropolitan police investigations, this idea that actually two things can't be looked at the same time. yes, there's been tonnes of frustration in government from ministers — frustration in government from ministers publicly and privately. as i ministers publicly and privately. as i been _ ministers publicly and privately. as i been a _ ministers publicly and privately. as i been a lot— ministers publicly and privately. as i been a lot of irritation that they have _ i been a lot of irritation that they have not— i been a lot of irritation that they have not been able to get their public— have not been able to get their public appetite and public attention focused _ public appetite and public attention focused on something that is really, really— focused on something that is really, really serious. but of course, there is concern — really serious. but of course, there is concern in — really serious. but of course, there is concern in the conservative party about _ is concern in the conservative party about what's been happening and we've _ about what's been happening and we've been talking about that at length _ we've been talking about that at length and that is beneficial investigations and the police inquiry _ investigations and the police inquiry. it can't ignore things that are happening domestically and i wonder— are happening domestically and i wonder if— are happening domestically and i wonder if that's one of the reasons why the _ wonder if that's one of the reasons why the per— wonder if that's one of the reasons why the per minister decided to come here today— why the per minister decided to come here today and then to go on to portland — here today and then to go on to portland because his strip was arranged — portland because his strip was arranged at the last minute as i'm told and _ arranged at the last minute as i'm told and it's— arranged at the last minute as i'm told and it's a very difficult
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problem _ told and it's a very difficult problem for any leaders in the west to grapple _ problem for any leaders in the west to grapple with but i think downing street really does want people to pay attention to what's going on. i know— pay attention to what's going on. i know they— pay attention to what's going on. i know they felt that privately and that private frustration. ministers have _ that private frustration. ministers have been— that private frustration. ministers have been irritated by it but perhaps _ have been irritated by it but perhaps they could talk to their own party about who is responsible for the role _ party about who is responsible for the role of — party about who is responsible for the role of that's because as we talked _ the role of that's because as we talked about lots of times of tory mps are — talked about lots of times of tory mps are so cross with number ten about— mps are so cross with number ten about this — mps are so cross with number ten about this mess because they think it's their— about this mess because they think it's their mistakes that have not everybody — it's their mistakes that have not everybody has been able to talk about _ everybody has been able to talk about it — everybody has been able to talk about it for such a long time. but people _ about it for such a long time. but people in— about it for such a long time. but people in government might be thinking — people in government might be thinking they have been able to get more _ thinking they have been able to get more focus on towards a really serious — more focus on towards a really serious issue. but more focus on towards a really serious issue.— more focus on towards a really serious issue. but it's not 'ust the government. * serious issue. but it's not 'ust the government. the t serious issue. but it's not 'ust the government. the labor _ serious issue. but it's notjust the government. the labor leader - serious issue. but it's notjust the - government. the labor leader secular starmer has also been in town and you talk to him. i starmer has also been in town and you talk to him.— you talk to him. i did and it's a really fascinating _ you talk to him. i did and it's a really fascinating moment. - you talk to him. i did and it's a really fascinating moment. i. really fascinating moment. i newscast is to remember that for jeremy— newscast is to remember that for jeremy corbyn's leadership it was this running sore all the way between _ this running sore all the way between different sides of the labour— between different sides of the labour party of his attitudes of the fence _ labour party of his attitudes of the fence and — labour party of his attitudes of the fence and his attitude to nato and
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his membership for a long time for his membership for a long time for his support — his membership for a long time for his support and backing for a group called _ his support and backing for a group called stop— his support and backing for a group called stop the work has been very anti-the _ called stop the work has been very anti—the iraq war and very anti—conflict of a certain kind and actually— anti—conflict of a certain kind and actually a — anti—conflict of a certain kind and actually a group that jeremy corbyn is going _ actually a group that jeremy corbyn is going along to a ready to speak at tonight— is going along to a ready to speak at tonight and that running sore is something — at tonight and that running sore is something that cara starmer has not really— something that cara starmer has not really address because there's been other— really address because there's been other issues going on during his leadership in the pandemic and everything that's been happening in downing _ everything that's been happening in downing street and those things. he used today to come here not just to say i backed the government's approach — say i backed the government's approach and i'm worried about it and laid _ approach and i'm worried about it and laid -- — approach and i'm worried about it and laid —— labor stands with the government but also to build out a bil government but also to build out a big banner— government but also to build out a big banner that says by the way i did not— big banner that says by the way i did not agree with what jeremy corbyn said about all of this stuff and he _ corbyn said about all of this stuff and he could not have been plainer about that — and he could not have been plainer about that. the other thing he told me which— about that. the other thing he told me which alsojeremy about that. the other thing he told me which also jeremy corbyn used to not say— me which also jeremy corbyn used to not say what he would in certain circumstances be willing to press the nuclear button. he did not seem quite _ the nuclear button. he did not seem quite too _ the nuclear button. he did not seem quite too happy to talk about that
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which _ quite too happy to talk about that which was — quite too happy to talk about that which was interesting. let�*s quite too happy to talk about that which was interesting.— quite too happy to talk about that which was interesting. let's have a listen. which was interesting. let's have a listen- anybody — which was interesting. let's have a listen. anybody who _ which was interesting. let's have a listen. anybody who is _ which was interesting. let's have a listen. anybody who is serious - which was interesting. let's have a i listen. anybody who is serious about eating _ listen. anybody who is serious about eating our _ listen. anybody who is serious about eating our country _ listen. anybody who is serious about eating our country would _ listen. anybody who is serious about eating our country would not - listen. anybody who is serious about eating our country would not enter. listen. anybody who is serious about eating our country would not enter a| eating our country would not enter a discussion— eating our country would not enter a discussion about _ eating our country would not enter a discussion about the _ eating our country would not enter a discussion about the circumstances i discussion about the circumstances for using _ discussion about the circumstances for using a — discussion about the circumstances for using a nuclear— discussion about the circumstances for using a nuclear deterrent. - discussion about the circumstances for using a nuclear deterrent. it’s l for using a nuclear deterrent. it's a principle _ for using a nuclear deterrent. a principle here and with for using a nuclear deterrent- a principle here and with respect... i believe in the deterrence, of guest — i believe in the deterrence, of guest i — i believe in the deterrence, of guest i do _ i believe in the deterrence, of guest i do but _ i believe in the deterrence, of quest i do but i _ i believe in the deterrence, of quest i do but i think- i believe in the deterrence, of quest i do but i think getting. i believe in the deterrence, of- quest i do but i think getting drawn into a _ quest i do but i think getting drawn into a discussion _ quest i do but i think getting drawn into a discussion about _ quest i do but i think getting drawn into a discussion about the - into a discussion about the circumstance _ into a discussion about the circumstance in— into a discussion about the circumstance in which - into a discussion about the circumstance in which it i into a discussion about the i circumstance in which it could into a discussion about the - circumstance in which it could be used _ circumstance in which it could be used is _ circumstance in which it could be used is only— circumstance in which it could be used is only something - circumstance in which it could be used is only something that - circumstance in which it could bel used is only something that those who don't— used is only something that those who don't aspire _ used is only something that those who don't aspire to _ used is only something that those who don't aspire to be _ used is only something that those who don't aspire to be prime - who don't aspire to be prime minister— who don't aspire to be prime minister about— who don't aspire to be prime minister about the _ who don't aspire to be prime minister about the impact. who don't aspire to be prime i minister about the impact that who don't aspire to be prime - minister about the impact that would do. minister about the impact that would do~ bult— minister about the impact that would do. �* ., . minister about the impact that would do. �* ., , . . minister about the impact that would do. . ., _ minister about the impact that would do. �* .,, . ., _ do. but to be clear by saying you believe in _ do. but to be clear by saying you believe in a _ do. but to be clear by saying you believe in a deterrent _ do. but to be clear by saying you believe in a deterrent he - do. but to be clear by saying you believe in a deterrent he would l believe in a deterrent he would then in principle be willing to push the nuclear button and that's a question that many politicians have answered previously. i that many politicians have answered reviousl . , previously. i believe in the deterrent _ previously. i believe in the deterrent and _ previously. i believe in the deterrent and unable - previously. i believe in the deterrent and unable to i previously. i believe in the| deterrent and unable to for previously. i believe in the - deterrent and unable to for the deterrent— deterrent and unable to for the deterrent and _ deterrent and unable to for the deterrent and i— deterrent and unable to for the deterrent and i been— deterrent and unable to for the deterrent and i been clear- deterrent and unable to for the i deterrent and i been clear about that _ deterrent and i been clear about that. �* , ., deterrent and i been clear about that. �* i. ., �*, deterrent and i been clear about that. �* ., �*, , ., ., that. beyond what's been going on in brussels we — that. beyond what's been going on in brussels we have _ that. beyond what's been going on in brussels we have had _ that. beyond what's been going on in brussels we have had the _ that. beyond what's been going on in brussels we have had the promisee l that. beyond what's been going on in| brussels we have had the promisee in moscow so we had the foreign secretary out in moscow meeting love ralph her russian opposite number and what was fascinating i thought is inevitably for a to realistically we don't get to see first—hand the primacy behind closed doors. we can
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only ever see diplomacy and the cameras which is only part of what happens. but the feistiness between delays and love ralph, maybe it's a mutually beneficial but they both appear frosty in public but nonetheless given diplomacy is the art of trying to smooth things over eight did not feel very smooth. haifa. eight did not feel very smooth. now, he did not- — eight did not feel very smooth. now, he did not. sergei _ eight did not feel very smooth. now, he did not. sergei after— eight did not feel very smooth. now, he did not. sergei after their talks more _ he did not. sergei after their talks more or— he did not. sergei after their talks more or less said it had been a dialogue — more or less said it had been a dialogue like the deaf and dumb trying _ dialogue like the deaf and dumb trying to— dialogue like the deaf and dumb trying to understand each other suggesting that leyds has not risen to what— suggesting that leyds has not risen to what he — suggesting that leyds has not risen to what he said and he would leave her hanging at the lectern. it's very— her hanging at the lectern. it's very hard — her hanging at the lectern. it's very hard to tell what's really going — very hard to tell what's really going on— very hard to tell what's really going on especially something like russia, _ going on especially something like russia, uk because the briefings that come — russia, uk because the briefings that come out of both sides are from completely— that come out of both sides are from completely different universes. but it's a very— completely different universes. but it's a very perilous. | completely different universes. but it's a very perilous.— it's a very perilous. i agree actually — it's a very perilous. i agree actually i _ it's a very perilous. i agree actually i think— it's a very perilous. i agree actually i think they - it's a very perilous. i agree actually i think they had i it's a very perilous. i agree actually i think they had an important domestic audience on both
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sides. to look tough because boris johnson and lives with both rather enjoyed his idea that they said today, the uk has been so strong. we really very much appreciate the robust dance by borisjohnson and the uk government so maybe there was a little bit of metrics on both sides but laura, you are right, this is very much looking precipice at this stage. everyone is saying the russians, we're not going invade ukraine and nato and the uk and other allies more strongly saying perhaps the germans saying don't do it and if you do there will be terrible consequences. it is very hard to tell what's next.— hard to tell what's next. vladimir putin is a leader _ hard to tell what's next. vladimir putin is a leader and _ hard to tell what's next. vladimir putin is a leader and a _ hard to tell what's next. vladimir putin is a leader and a creation i hard to tell what's next. vladimir| putin is a leader and a creation of the early— putin is a leader and a creation of the early 21st century. he thought somebody who to any sort of traditional rules and that means western— traditional rules and that means western leaders are trying to patch
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together— western leaders are trying to patch together a united front on all of this with — together a united front on all of this with lots of find words on the dramatic— this with lots of find words on the dramatic stages but the real problem for them _ dramatic stages but the real problem for them is _ dramatic stages but the real problem for them is they've got no idea what he's really— for them is they've got no idea what he's really going to do next and he's _ he's really going to do next and he'siust— he's really going to do next and he'sjust enjoying it seems to be having _ he'sjust enjoying it seems to be having everybody dangling knowing if the danger and creating uncertainty and discord. | the danger and creating uncertainty and discord-— and discord. i think we have to let ou and discord. i think we have to let you go because — and discord. i think we have to let you go because i'm _ and discord. i think we have to let you go because i'm worried - and discord. i think we have to let you go because i'm worried they l and discord. i think we have to let i you go because i'm worried they will get locked in at nato and not re—emerge until monday morning or something. i’m re-emerge until monday morning or somethina. �* ., ., , , something. i'm worried about missing m train as something. i'm worried about missing my train as well _ something. i'm worried about missing my train as well so _ something. i'm worried about missing my train as well so i _ something. i'm worried about missing my train as well so i will _ something. i'm worried about missing my train as well so i will do _ something. i'm worried about missing my train as well so i will do but - my train as well so i will do but enjoy the rest of the show. goodbye. luckily we have david to shadow foreign secretary in the studio. thank you for coming on. we will start talking about ukraine picking up start talking about ukraine picking up the conversation we've been having with lara and the shadow foreign secretary, how do you reflect on where we are with the imminence of conflict, when you got a situation where you got russia saying we cannot possibly stomach
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the idea of our neighbour ukraine and we've got ukraine saying they are a sovereign country so we should have the right to do that if we want to and you wonder how i decide would climb down from that. it is to and you wonder how i decide would climb down from that.— climb down from that. it is a ma'or moment. i — climb down from that. it is a ma'or moment. i mean i climb down from that. it is a ma'or moment. i mean i d climb down from that. it is a ma'or moment. i mean i feeli climb down from that. it is a ma'or moment. i mean i feelvery �* moment. i mean i feel very privileged to have this role but as part of this will and issues a serious is this myself, cara starmer, john who shadows for us on defence, we get high—level briefings from the ministry of defence officials, foreign office officials and our intelligence services. and you are immediately impressed by the detail and the expertise and clarity when borisjohnson says the situation is pretty grim, he's right about that and it's very worrying
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because we had not seen anything like this since the end of the cold war. we all want the primacy to work and we have seen a lot of shovel diplomacy this week with russia and schultz in washington and boris in poland so there's a lot going on to try and de—escalate this but at the same time the truth is while we are speaking, that hundred thousand troops has grown. it's where the real view is on nato. is it troops has grown. it's where the real view is on nato._ troops has grown. it's where the real view is on nato. is it the view that was articulated _ real view is on nato. is it the view that was articulated going - real view is on nato. is it the view that was articulated going into - real view is on nato. is it the viewj that was articulated going into the last election on thejeremy corbyn where both of you are prominent in the party or is it that you now. there is a big change. there is no doubt there is a big change. we did have a commitment _ doubt there is a big change. we did have a commitment to _ doubt there is a big change. we did have a commitment to nato - doubt there is a big change. we did have a commitment to nato in - have a commitment to nato in our last manifesto but clearlyjeremy corbyn himself had a history and relation to nato and i understand he's at the event tonight where he's
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questioning nato and i think it's very dangerous playing into the russian framing of this. let's be clear, nato has effectively as an alliance of countries that set up after the second world war that we helped initiate labor that has broadly maintain peace in europe and it's a defensive alliance, that's the first thing. it's incredibly dangerous to give the impression that nato is responsible for this aggression but it's not nato that's moving troops it's vladimir putin that's moving troops of course a defensive alliance so we have to be really careful that we are not framing this in the way that vladimir putin is and driving the decision that assists him does not actually ultimately assist peace. i actually ultimately assist peace. i want to talk to you about what happened the other nights when you are walking, you are coming back from one of the briefings you are talking about in connection with
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what's going on in ukraine and there was this mob in the streets and antibiotics as originally but they latched on to you and to care starmer and their leader in the lords and i think we can hear some of what happened. let's have a quick listen. ., ., ., ., so of what happened. let's have a quick listen._ so there - listen. traitor! traitor! so there are shouts _ listen. traitor! traitor! so there are shouts of _ listen. traitor! traitor! so there are shouts of traitor. _ listen. traitor! traitor! so there are shouts of traitor. some - listen. traitor! traitor! so there i are shouts of traitor. some people were shouting jimmy saville, it's horrible. it's a busy horrible but tell us how it was to be surrounded by that mob shouting that kind of stuff. it by that mob shouting that kind of stuff. ., , ., by that mob shouting that kind of stuff. . , ., ., stuff. it was threatening that it was intimidating _ stuff. it was threatening that it was intimidating and _ stuff. it was threatening that it was intimidating and it - stuff. it was threatening that it was intimidating and it was - stuff. it was threatening that it l was intimidating and it was nasty and it was mean and it was febrile so that you worried it could get out, seriously get out of hand and what i want to underline is that there were not many police officers who were simply walking down the embankment they had been on the
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other side of the embankment so definitely between 50 politicians and the four police officers we were outnumbered. and the behaviour was very threatening indeed and is a chance of it took me back i think psychologically to being the odd football game in the late 70s, early 80s with my dad where you suddenly felt this is feeling scary and that sort of thuggish behaviour was very far from sort of thuggish behaviour was very farfrom my upbringing and you get a bit frightened and it also took me back i've got to say that every to walking the streets of my own constituency in the 2011 riots and knowing that moment when a crowd can turn very nasty and things can get out of hand and i don't want to say
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that to were under threat because the police were there, they guided us out but it was his son in the way they rushed him out. it was pretty tense. ., , ., they rushed him out. it was pretty tense. . , ., , ., they rushed him out. it was pretty tense. ., ., i. ., , ,, tense. has it made you really think an hint tense. has it made you really think anything in — tense. has it made you really think anything in terms _ tense. has it made you really think anything in terms of _ tense. has it made you really think anything in terms of what - tense. has it made you really think anything in terms of what you - tense. has it made you really think anything in terms of what you do . anything in terms of what you do around _ anything in terms of what you do around westminster? | get anything in terms of what you do around westminster?— anything in terms of what you do around westminster? i get so many threats now — around westminster? i get so many threats now and _ around westminster? i get so many threats now and i _ around westminster? i get so many threats now and i have _ around westminster? i get so many threats now and i have got - around westminster? i get so many threats now and i have got to - around westminster? i get so many threats now and i have got to use i around westminster? i get so many| threats now and i have got to use to this but it would be important for me to say does not mean my family get used to it. i am pretty, i said this before you can take the boy out of tottenham but you can't take that taught them out of the boy. so i'm quite impressed so how well behaved because that was not what was in my mind. what was in your mind? what mind. what was in your mind? what was in your— mind. what was in your mind? what was in your mind? _ mind. what was in your mind? what was in your mind? that's _ mind. what was in your mind? what was in your mind? that's say ready when you are under attack you want to rappel your opponents but i'm
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fine. when you heard over the last few days, kevin administered saying there was no connection between what there was no connection between what the pay minister said at the beginning of last week with his references to jimmy and care beginning of last week with his references tojimmy and care starmer and what was then shouting at you you say what?— and what was then shouting at you you say what? hand on hearts that's not the case- _ you say what? hand on hearts that's not the case. it's _ you say what? hand on hearts that's not the case. it's clear _ you say what? hand on hearts that's not the case. it's clear to _ you say what? hand on hearts that's not the case. it's clear to me - not the case. it's clear to me that the dark recesses of the dark web and the far right internet are full of nasty conspiracy theories and slurries in the whole thing is one of them. and i can't think of a time in living memory where a british pay minister has pulled something from that dark, nasty french place into the main street and the only example i can think of is donald trump when he would sometimes pull things into the mainstream in british politics
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and this is the danger of populism and this is the danger of populism and i'm afraid borisjohnson is hugely guilty of that and should have apologised straightaway and frankly why he's hanging out in a dark recesses of the far right lab i have no idea. it's pretty unsavoury and dangerous and we saw it was dangerous in the united states when you saw people try to sack r here and it's equally dangerous here. he as you know has tried to clarify his comments although no intention of apologising and denying there was any direct link but when you are sitting here today having outlined that experience it feels very different for you.— that experience it feels very different for you. populists never do apologise _ different for you. populists never do apologise and _ different for you. populists never do apologise and i _ different for you. populists never do apologise and i hate - different for you. populists never do apologise and i hate being - do apologise and i hate being unpopular. he is becoming unpopular. but the _ unpopular. he is becoming unpopular. but the point is this stuff usually ends _ but the point is this stuff usually ends badly empirically it's just u-ly ends badly empirically it's just ugly and — ends badly empirically it's just ugly and it's not generally speaking
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part of— ugly and it's not generally speaking part of our— ugly and it's not generally speaking part of our traditions are to me in the mainstream which is why i think people _ the mainstream which is why i think people are — the mainstream which is why i think people are turning away from it. i ought _ people are turning away from it. i ought to— people are turning away from it. i ought to say also that i think because _ ought to say also that i think because faceless antibiotics as well is that— because faceless antibiotics as well is that with all seriousness be nowadays a lot of mental health around — nowadays a lot of mental health around at — nowadays a lot of mental health around at the moment. people of the lockdown— around at the moment. people of the lockdown impressions in the economy mean _ lockdown impressions in the economy mean that— lockdown impressions in the economy mean that all sorts of people who might— mean that all sorts of people who might otherwise can get caught up in conspiracy— might otherwise can get caught up in conspiracy can obsess over things so it's dangerous when the mainstream feeds— it's dangerous when the mainstream feeds or— it's dangerous when the mainstream feeds or whips this up and there was something _ feeds or whips this up and there was something in that. you mentioned death— something in that. you mentioned death threats. how many death threats— death threats. how many death threats are you talking about that you are _ threats are you talking about that you are getting?— you are getting? certainly i think five or six a _ you are getting? certainly i think five or six a year. _ you are getting? certainly i think five or six a year. and _ you are getting? certainly i think five or six a year. and ones - you are getting? certainly i think five or six a year. and ones that l five or six a year. and ones that are sufficiently _ five or six a year. and ones that are sufficiently credible - five or six a year. and ones that are sufficiently credible or - five or six a year. and ones that l are sufficiently credible or serious that the police have gotten involved?— that the police have gotten involved? ., . ., ., , , involved? police are involved, yes and they're _
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involved? police are involved, yes and they're very — involved? police are involved, yes and they're very good _ involved? police are involved, yes and they're very good but - involved? police are involved, yes and they're very good but there i involved? police are involved, yes. and they're very good but there are and they're very good but there are a few of us that think have more than others and i am certainly one of them in the police do a good job of them in the police do a good job of investigating and dealing with them where they can.— of investigating and dealing with them where they can. some people have more than _ them where they can. some people have more than others, _ them where they can. some people have more than others, is - them where they can. some people have more than others, is there i them where they can. some people have more than others, is there a l have more than others, is there a racial element to that?— racial element to that? there is obviously clearly _ racial element to that? there is obviously clearly from - racial element to that? there is obviously clearly from me. - racial element to that? there is obviously clearly from me. but | racial element to that? there is | obviously clearly from me. but i think female mps can find themselves subjected to threats and very prominent members of parliament like the opposition so i don't think it's just specific to race. can i go back to what you are saying about bob —— borisjohnson. d0 to what you are saying about bob -- izeorisjohnson-_ boris johnson. do you think there are people _ boris johnson. do you think there are people out — boris johnson. do you think there are people out there _ boris johnson. do you think there are people out there who - boris johnson. do you think there are people out there who are i are people out there who are listening _ are people out there who are listening and thinking why haven't labor— listening and thinking why haven't labor got— listening and thinking why haven't labor got rid of him by now with all the stuff— labor got rid of him by now with all the stuff going on?— the stuff going on? absolutely trounced at — the stuff going on? absolutely trounced at the _ the stuff going on? absolutely trounced at the last _ the stuff going on? absolutely trounced at the last general i trounced at the last general election. the conservatives have an
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80 seat majority. in our system you've got to proceed conservative mps to vote with you if you were to bring about of no confidence to the house. i'm not sure we have got the numbers as an opposition so in the end and how assisting this would be down to the conservatives determining the typing of god leading them is not with them. if leading them is not with them. if borisjohnson is as bad as leading them is not with them. if boris johnson is as bad as you leading them is not with them. if borisjohnson is as bad as you guys think he is, wouldn't it be in your interest if he was still around at the next election so you could take him on whether than all the stuff about trying to get rid of him tomorrow? i about trying to get rid of him tomorrow?— about trying to get rid of him tomorrow? ~ , ., �* ., ., ., tomorrow? i think you've got to do the riaht tomorrow? i think you've got to do the right thing- _ tomorrow? i think you've got to do the right thing. people _ tomorrow? i think you've got to do the right thing. people have - tomorrow? i think you've got to do the right thing. people have got i tomorrow? i think you've got to do the right thing. people have got to j the right thing. people have got to see you doing the right thing. i don't think the public like that kind of crude political calculation and i am genuinely, his integrity matters to him and a sense of right and wrong matters to him. he is that kind of politician. d0
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and wrong matters to him. he is that kind of politician.— kind of politician. do you think he needs to show _ kind of politician. do you think he needs to show a _ kind of politician. do you think he needs to show a little _ kind of politician. do you think he needs to show a little bit - kind of politician. do you think he needs to show a little bit more i kind of politician. do you think he needs to show a little bit more ofj needs to show a little bit more of himself? — needs to show a little bit more of himself? his personality? what he does outside politics? so people get to know— does outside politics? so people get to know who he is beyond the dispatch — to know who he is beyond the dispatch box, beyond that as everybody says brilliantly sort of outlook? — everybody says brilliantly sort of outlook? | everybody says brilliantly sort of outlook? ~' ., everybody says brilliantly sort of outlook? ~ ., ., ., ., everybody says brilliantly sort of outlook? ~ ., ., ., , outlook? i know him to have a pretty wicked sense — outlook? i know him to have a pretty wicked sense of— outlook? i know him to have a pretty wicked sense of humour, _ outlook? i know him to have a pretty wicked sense of humour, to - outlook? i know him to have a pretty wicked sense of humour, to be i wicked sense of humour, to be fanatical about arceneaux and spur his. it's an authentic passion which you cannot fake. what can i say to you cannot fake. what can i say to you is the conversation we're having just as he came out of the ministry of defence was about football so the fact that he played on monday night i've got to tell you i know he paid for over the weekend as well. two games within a couple of days is the pretty good going. i run with my wife, we do a 5k once a week and to
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say i run is really stretching it. we shuffle. for about an hour. and he also actually we were meant to be going to the game. so he was giving me a hard time that plaintiff became going to come back on and then we saw the mob so he is all about football. ., ., saw the mob so he is all about football. . ,, , ., saw the mob so he is all about football. ., ~' , ., ., saw the mob so he is all about football. . ,, , ., ., .., football. thank you for coming on every newscast. _ football. thank you for coming on every newscast. it's _ football. thank you for coming on every newscast. it's been - football. thank you for coming on every newscast. it's been nice i football. thank you for coming on every newscast. it's been nice to | every newscast. it's been nice to have you. every newscast. it's been nice to have you-— have you. come on politics live ceilinu. have you. come on politics live ceiling- i— have you. come on politics live ceiling. i would _ have you. come on politics live ceiling. i would be _ have you. come on politics live ceiling. i would be happy i have you. come on politics live ceiling. i would be happy to i have you. come on politics live ceiling. i would be happy to do| ceiling. i would be happy to do that. ceiling. i would be happy to do that- nice _ ceiling. i would be happy to do that. nice to _ ceiling. i would be happy to do that. nice to have _ ceiling. i would be happy to do that. nice to have you - ceiling. i would be happy to do that. nice to have you as i ceiling. i would be happy to do that. nice to have you as well. thank you- _ that. nice to have you as well. thank you. thank _ that. nice to have you as well. thank you. thank you - that. nice to have you as well. thank you. thank you for i that. nice to have you as well. i thank you. thank you for listening. subscribe to us and we will talk to you all again soon. goodbye.
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tonight we will see in the way to bring the atlantic around this area of low pressure. you will notice some mild air moving in and around it. we will lose the blues with the high—pressure for the dry sunny day today. but the wind and the rainbow pick—up across northern and western areas of a night not reaching central and southern parts of england. here it stays dry but it feels chilly across the small northeast. a different feeling sort of day with clouds and wind outbreaks of rain and heavy across northern and western england and sunshine and showers. steam train
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tonight at ten — washington warns russia could launch an all out invasion of ukraine at any moment. as moscow continues manoeuvres on the border, the white house says an attack may begin with a large scale air assault. what we can say is that there is a credible prospect that a russian military action would take place even before the end of the olympics. nato allies held talks by phone this evening, as the diplomacy continues to avoid war. british citizens have now been advised to leave ukraine. we'll have the very latest from washington. also tonight... the metropolitan police has contacted boris johnson over what he knew of alleged
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