a re all. we also know that there are weaknesses to that. we can see that there _ weaknesses to that. we can see that there are _ weaknesses to that. we can see that there are weaknesses and trying to -et there are weaknesses and trying to get airborne troops into a place where — get airborne troops into a place where people are prepared to fight and are _ where people are prepared to fight and are using what limited weaponry they have _ and are using what limited weaponry they have -- — and are using what limited weaponry they have —— shock and awe. we do know _ they have —— shock and awe. we do know quite — they have —— shock and awe. we do know quite a — they have —— shock and awe. we do know quite a lot about russian military— know quite a lot about russian military doctrine. what we also know is that _ military doctrine. what we also know is that when — military doctrine. what we also know is that when you go after a city, he went— is that when you go after a city, he went straight for kyiv. a lot of people — went straight for kyiv. a lot of people thought he wouldn't. in the donbas, irr— people thought he wouldn't. in the donbas, in those more heavy russian speaking _ donbas, in those more heavy russian speaking parts of ukraine, but he didn't _ speaking parts of ukraine, but he didn't he — speaking parts of ukraine, but he didn't. he wanted the big prize and he wanted — didn't. he wanted the big prize and he wanted to topple the government in kyiv. _ he wanted to topple the government in kyiv. to _ he wanted to topple the government in kyiv, to break the morale of ukraine hy— in kyiv, to break the morale of ukraine by doing that. so it's not that we _ ukraine by doing that. so it's not that we have absolutely part perfect knowledge. but there are playbooks in conflict, _ knowledge. but there are playbooks in conflict, and what tends to happen— in conflict, and what tends to happen is— in conflict, and what tends to happen is they go with the ones they think they've tried out before. they

have troops — think they've tried out before. they have troops who fought in syria and chechnya _ have troops who fought in syria and chechnya and didn't exactly help the world _ chechnya and didn't exactly help the world but _ chechnya and didn't exactly help the world. but that's why we think we have _ world. but that's why we think we have a _ world. but that's why we think we have a great good idea. what we don't _ have a great good idea. what we don't think— have a great good idea. what we don't think they're good at is the surprise — don't think they're good at is the surprise tactics. we do know that when _ surprise tactics. we do know that when push — surprise tactics. we do know that when push comes to shove, it will go much _ when push comes to shove, it will go much more _ when push comes to shove, it will go much more ink discriminate and we could _ much more ink discriminate and we could see _ much more ink discriminate and we could see my being used to which might— could see my being used to which might be — could see my being used to which might be more shocking. fine could see my being used to which might be more shocking.- could see my being used to which might be more shocking. one of the tactics could — might be more shocking. one of the tactics could well _ might be more shocking. one of the tactics could well be _ might be more shocking. one of the tactics could well be what _ might be more shocking. one of the tactics could well be what we're - tactics could well be what we're seeing on the front page of the sunday times. concerned that there will be some form of infiltration, benjamin. is will be some form of infiltration, ben'amin. . ., will be some form of infiltration, ben'amin. , ., . ., . benjamin. is not the ma'or concern, and the sunday h benjamin. is not the ma'or concern, and the sunday times _ benjamin. is not the major concern, and the sunday times has _ benjamin. is not the major concern, and the sunday times has an - and the sunday times has an excellent report of what feels like on the streets of kyiv. one of the problems that they had is russian troops mimic ukrainians, they wore their uniforms and went up to a checkpoint, and at that checkpoint, they pretended to be the russians,

and then they shock to ukrainians and then they shock to ukrainians and gained entry. that is a war crime. that is not allowed even in war. it's revealing about putin's tactics and he has no regard for the most basic rules in these situations. as the sunday times reports, thousands upon thousands of regular ukrainians are now armed. many of them have little idea what to do with the guns they're holding. but they are taking to the streets, they are climbing onto the top of their buildings to check if they have the russian markets. of course, there are 150,000 russian troops and millions of ukrainians who will not accept this rule, and i think that is maybe one of the great assets that the you know crane —— ukrainians have. they have high were morale still. stiiiii ukrainians have. they have high were morale still-—

morale still. still talking about terrorist stalking _ morale still. still talking about terrorist stalking the _ morale still. still talking about terrorist stalking the streets, l morale still. still talking about i terrorist stalking the streets, but also, this idea that the west is now sending the weaponry in, and in terms of troops, the numbers are lower when it comes to ukrainian troops. we're not too sure about the text, but it looks as if they are going to get top tech coming their way. the us announcing $350 million in military assistance. we've got france, germany, unprecedented of course, and the netherlands also announcing shipments and weapons and fuel. . . . announcing shipments and weapons and fuel. crucial here is supply. of course, fuel. crucial here is supply. of course. it— fuel. crucial here is supply. of course, it would _ fuel. crucial here is supply. of course, it would be _ fuel. crucial here is supply. of course, it would be far - fuel. crucial here is supply. of course, it would be far betterl fuel. crucial here is supply. of. course, it would be far better to have _ course, it would be far better to have this — course, it would be far better to have this year earlier. that is what ukraine _ have this year earlier. that is what ukraine was— have this year earlier. that is what ukraine was pleading for, but it is better late — ukraine was pleading for, but it is better late than never, and the fact that you _ better late than never, and the fact that you have such a wide alliance of countries, you have nato, you can't put — of countries, you have nato, you can't put boots on the ground, you

can't _ can't put boots on the ground, you can't put _ can't put boots on the ground, you can't put soldiers into ukraine, but there's a _ can't put soldiers into ukraine, but there's a lot — can't put soldiers into ukraine, but there's a lot that you can do to supply— there's a lot that you can do to supply ukraine. everything is qualified as defensive. i think there — qualified as defensive. i think there was a concern in the minds of german— there was a concern in the minds of german politicians, when this argument was going on. it is now very clear— argument was going on. it is now very clear that this is defensive warfare, — very clear that this is defensive warfare, so the argument that if you send and _ warfare, so the argument that if you send and weapons, you willjust make things— send and weapons, you willjust make things worse, just seems to go by default and could not get much worse — default and could not get much worse as— default and could not get much worse. as my information... it is very— worse. as my information... it is very possible _ worse. as my information... it is very possible we'll see the use of weaponry— very possible we'll see the use of weaponry in the forms of bombs by the russian side, which we haven't seen _ the russian side, which we haven't seen in _ the russian side, which we haven't seen in recent conflicts. i think that— seen in recent conflicts. i think that really— seen in recent conflicts. i think that really has become the wake—up call for the — that really has become the wake—up call for the west. there is fantastic— call for the west. there is fantastic military capacity, but nonetheless, it has to be got to ukraine — nonetheless, it has to be got to ukraine i— nonetheless, it has to be got to ukraine. ithink nonetheless, it has to be got to ukraine. i think earlier in the programme, he showed a map and a lot of we _ programme, he showed a map and a lot of we focused a lot on kyiv, but a

lot of it _ of we focused a lot on kyiv, but a lot of it is — of we focused a lot on kyiv, but a lot of it is falling into russian hands. that makes life much more difficult _ hands. that makes life much more difficult if — hands. that makes life much more difficult if you're trying to supply the ukrainian army. it's better trained — the ukrainian army. it's better trained than it was in 2014. but it is not _ trained than it was in 2014. but it is not particularly battle hardened, it has— is not particularly battle hardened, it has not _ is not particularly battle hardened, it has not had that chance to work with allies — it has not had that chance to work with allies in terms of interoperability and in terms of integration. that will be the worry, but it— integration. that will be the worry, but it is— integration. that will be the worry, but it is far— integration. that will be the worry, but it is far better than to have access — but it is far better than to have access to — but it is far better than to have access to defensive weaponry now and shoot _ access to defensive weaponry now and shoot down _ access to defensive weaponry now and shoot down incoming russian aircraft~ — shoot down incoming russian aircraft. �* . shoot down incoming russian aircraft. 3 ., shoot down incoming russian aircraft. �*, ., ., ., aircraft. let's go to the front page ofthe aircraft. let's go to the front page of the observer. _ aircraft. let's go to the front page of the observer. being _ aircraft. let's go to the front page of the observer. being a - aircraft. let's go to the front page of the observer. being a pariah i of the observer. being a pariah might not bother him, but there's a lot of international reaction to vladimir putin.— lot of international reaction to vladimir putin. that's right, that mi . ht vladimir putin. that's right, that miaht be vladimir putin. that's right, that might be his _ vladimir putin. that's right, that might be his default _ vladimir putin. that's right, that might be his default by - vladimir putin. that's right, that might be his default by this - vladimir putin. that's right, that. might be his default by this point, but i think the russian people who could be on the end of some free a serious damage may feel differently.

the world has been overwhelmingly against russia's actions. this includes china, which abstained on the un security council motion to condemn russia. russia would have hoped china was on their side. even country like turkey, hungary, people have been sympathetic, they have come out. viktor orban said he completely endorses all the eu sanctions. he says a lunatic should be isolated. this is someone that many in europe might continue a bit of a little —— consider a bit of a lunatic. i think this poses a serious problem for putin because the economic damage will be severe. some of their banks have been taken out of swift. that's the banking mechanism, billions in losses. you've got turkey looking to stop

entry to the black sea. i think this could damage regular russians. i was listening to gabriel gavin on five live this evening, and he said that the people he's talking to in moscow have gone for not being sure what to think to feeling horror and shame and anxiety, and i think that shows that regular russians are not buying into this and the way that putin expected. into this and the way that putin exected. , , ., into this and the way that putin exected. , ., ., , expected. very quickly, how does the international — expected. very quickly, how does the international reaction _ expected. very quickly, how does the international reaction defer— expected. very quickly, how does the international reaction defer to - expected. very quickly, how does the international reaction defer to the - international reaction defer to the incursion into crimea? i international reaction defer to the incursion into crimea?— international reaction defer to the incursion into crimea? i think when it came to crimea, _ incursion into crimea? i think when it came to crimea, there _ incursion into crimea? i think when it came to crimea, there was - incursion into crimea? i think when it came to crimea, there was a - incursion into crimea? i think when l it came to crimea, there was a sense that this _ it came to crimea, there was a sense that this was — it came to crimea, there was a sense that this was very regrettable. you had a _ that this was very regrettable. you had a lot— that this was very regrettable. you had a lot more voices saying it's heavily— had a lot more voices saying it's heavily russian or ethic part of ukraine, — heavily russian or ethic part of ukraine, there were a lot more debates— ukraine, there were a lot more debates about whether it was ok or not. debates about whether it was ok or not i_ debates about whether it was ok or not. i wasn't making the policy. i not. iwasn't making the policy. i think— not. i wasn't making the policy. i think that — not. i wasn't making the policy. i think that point that those wavering powers. _ think that point that those wavering powers, and we've seen turkey sway very much _

powers, and we've seen turkey sway very much towards the ukrainian side, _ very much towards the ukrainian side, even — very much towards the ukrainian side, even before the conflict. to the great — side, even before the conflict. to the great chagrin of russia. seeing powers— the great chagrin of russia. seeing powers who are perhaps silent or even _ powers who are perhaps silent or even complicit in the annexation of crimea _ even complicit in the annexation of crimea. who might also be tempted to take a _ crimea. who might also be tempted to take a sit— crimea. who might also be tempted to take a sit on— crimea. who might also be tempted to take a sit on the fence view. i think— take a sit on the fence view. i think there's something about this all out _ think there's something about this all out war— think there's something about this all out war with putin that is unsettling to them. it's hard to say where _ unsettling to them. it's hard to say where the — unsettling to them. it's hard to say where the chinese position will end, but i where the chinese position will end, but i think— where the chinese position will end, but i think they probably knew this was coming. they didn't take the box for for— was coming. they didn't take the box for for putin — was coming. they didn't take the box for for putin. it shows that they are playing a bit of a waiting game. it are playing a bit of a waiting game. it doesn't _ are playing a bit of a waiting game. it doesn't look like they absolutely assume _ it doesn't look like they absolutely assume vladimir putin is going to win _ assume vladimir putin is going to win that— assume vladimir putin is going to win. that causes him some pain. we've _ win. that causes him some pain. we've got— win. that causes him some pain. we've got the front page of the telegraph, which talks about michael gove calling for seizure of pro—kremlin oligarchs. if you could

share our viewers that story. it is very nicely with her next front page, because it talks about another oligarchs, that is roman abramovitz. he said he's handing over stewardship of chelsea football club to its foundation, which means they will be making the decision on a day—to—day basis, but abramovich will remain the owner. his use of the word stewardship is the most notable thing about this statement, because that has no legal definition. it doesn't mean anything in a serious sense. i think this is something of a pr exercise, but also note that abramovich hasn't condemned russia or putin's war in ukraine. i think that is very noticeable, and what you have is a wealthy russian who is trying to separate himself and chelsea

football club should any sanctions come down the line, but he's made no serious contribution. taste come down the line, but he's made no serious contribution.— serious contribution. we have run out of time. _ serious contribution. we have run out of time, thank _ serious contribution. we have run out of time, thank you _ serious contribution. we have run out of time, thank you both. - serious contribution. we have run out of time, thank you both. i - out of time, thank you both. i apologise. nicely summarised by benjamin, and our second guest this evening for the papers is the cowboy. thank you both for this evening for the state on sunday morning's papers. —— me there's plenty more coming up at the top of the hour. you can get all the latest from this developing story on the bbc news website. do you stay with us. i should be back shortly.

saturday brought a largely dry and settled today across england and wales, a few showers at workloads across parts of scotland and northern ireland but this was the scene as the sun went down early on in norfolk. we will keep the clear skies through the rest of sitting to the north—west spelling and across northern ireland and scotland at times, down to a weather front slowly nudging in from the north—west but high—pressure to the east dominating our weather through the remainder of the weekend. for this evening and tonight, clear skies in england and wales and eastern scotland and a little more cloud across the north—west of the uk and by the end of the night summary and working on for northern ireland towards the some rain and working on for northern ireland towards the western isles as well. under clear skies with light winds, it is quite chilly across england and wales in

particular and we could see a touch of frost in the countryside with the temperatures below freezing. sunday, dry and settled weather once again the space once again, especially across england, wales and eastern scotland, a bit more cloud through the irish sea and down towards pembrokeshire in south—west england. a few showers towards the western isles. fairly light winds coming in from a southerly direction so reasonably mild for this time of year with the top temperature 8—11 on sunday. a fairly quiet and settled end to the weekend, but overnight into monday the next weather front moving in from the north—west. that will bring more cloud and rain compared to the front we have during the weekend so heading into monday morning, not as cold, with cloud and outbreaks of rain towards the west first wingback rain towards the west first thing. monday's weather will be a different sort of day with this frontal system slowly pushing across much of the uk. that's bringing a lot more cloud and outbreaks of rain for england and wales

and to southern scotland and north—west england, gales towards the western isles. sunshine across scotland and northern ireland in the afternoon. rain edging slowly eastwards into east anglia and south—east by the end of the day. high—pressure setting across much of the uk, high pressure setting across much of the uk, high pressure sits across much of the uk, but a lingering weather front to the south and could spell on some outbreaks of rain. looking towards the middle of the week, perhaps a bye— bye.

then i met a rocket hit an apartment block in ukraine's capital. this is what kyiv woke up to this morning. all of this destruction is in a residential area in a european city, and there is a real sense now that nowhere in the capital is safe. the exodus grows around 100,000 people have already fled to neighbouring countries. tougher sanctions on russia, the eu calls for a number of russian banks to be removed from the swift interbank

system. from the swift interbank s stem. �* .