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to fleeing ukraine. —— long queues to enter. we are hearing from them there are hundreds of thousands more on the move. that they can see. find on the move. that they can see. and the queues — on the move. that they can see. and the queues are _ on the move. that they can see. and the queues are because people being checked at the borders? that's correct, everyone is being registered and received and, so far, there has been such tremendous openness and hospitality by all of the governments, but, also, iwould say by the communities. local communities are coming out, just rallying together, creating food banks, bringing all kinds of supplies that are needed to all of the families that are crossing throughout the region.- the families that are crossing throughout the region. what is your information about _ throughout the region. what is your information about which _ throughout the region. what is your information about which countries l information about which countries are seeing the biggest numbers and whether people will stay in those countries close to the border, may be hoping obviously to go back to ukraine or whether you think people will have to be dispersed, you know, through other nations in europe?
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well, right now, we would say about half of the arrivals are to poland. the other countries, such as moldova, romania and hungary are also receiving large numbers. i also have to say that there is very likely a large number of internal displacement. the figures on that, we can't account for, because of the military actions inside the country. it is very difficult for us, also, as a humanitarian agency to move and to assess the situation, but we do know that there are people in the side that have fled their homes but are still, for now, staying inside the country. altogether, we are estimating, and we are getting prepared for, up to 4 million people fleeing as refugees into neighbouring countries, but, again, we are trying very hard to start our humanitarian outreach within ukraine. we were able to deliver some aid items yesterday in central
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ukraine, but it is still incredibly difficult for us to access those people in need inside the country. one can understand that, of course. and within the country itself, within ukraine, where is the biggest need? is it around the major cities or are people going into the countryside areas and need help there? i countryside areas and need help there? ~' ., countryside areas and need help there? ~ ., ., there? i think, from what we understand. _ there? i think, from what we understand, people - there? i think, from what we understand, people are - there? i think, from what we i understand, people are moving there? i think, from what we - understand, people are moving in all directions. we do still have our entire presence of staff on the ground, so we have over 115 staff inside ukraine, a similar number in the neighbouring countries and, as soon as we are able to, even yesterday we tried to move out some supplies and some staff to do assessments, so we will hopefully be able to get a better sense, but this is why we are really calling for international human law guarantees
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that allow not only civilians but humanitarian agencies like unhcr to be able to move, so that we can ensure that humanitarian aid and protection is available for anyone in need inside the country, as well as outside. we in need inside the country, as well as outside-— as outside. we have had a bit of a olitical as outside. we have had a bit of a political row _ as outside. we have had a bit of a political row on _ as outside. we have had a bit of a political row on social _ as outside. we have had a bit of a political row on social media - as outside. we have had a bit of a political row on social media here| political row on social media here yesterday about whether, you know, refugees, migrants coming from ukraine would be allowed into the uk, on what basis they would be allowed. are you negotiating with countries now so that, if 4 million people or more do leave ukraine, they are able to travel across western europe? because countries obviously will have concerns about borders but also want to help. i think those negotiations may have to happen but it's very important to note that, right now, almost every family member that we've spoken to from ukraine has family members, loved ones, their home, their
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belongings that they have left behind in ukraine. they want to stay close to the country, they want to return as quickly as they are safely allowed to do so and i think it is important to note that people do not write now want to go further afield, from what they are telling us and, in fact, they are hoping that this will be finished quickly so that they can return, they can reunite with their loved ones and with their lives that are firmly held in ukraine. as you can imagine, if you andi ukraine. as you can imagine, if you and i were givenjust a ukraine. as you can imagine, if you and i were given just a few minutes to make a decision of whether or not to make a decision of whether or not to flee, it is an impossible choice to flee, it is an impossible choice to make so people really do want to stay close and be able to return home as soon as possible. absolutely, understood. joung—ah ghedini—williams, thank you very much indeed. let's go to moscow and speak tojenny hill. what is the information you are getting from the kremlin in terms of the military
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operation and about the offer of some sort of negotiations here? lats some sort of negotiations here? lots of different lines _ some sort of negotiations here? lots of different lines coming out here this morning. first of all, let's take the negotiations. the kremlin has said that a delegation of russians has arrived in belarus ready to negotiate with the ukrainian government. the kremlin knows full well that the ukrainian government does not want to negotiate on belarusian soil because it says it is not a neutral country in the russian invasion has been partly launched from there. at the same time, the kremlin announced that vladimir putin has spoken on the telephone to the president of azerbaijan. that is potentially significant because ukraine has, in recent days, welcomed proposals from azerbaijan and turkey to hold peace talks. having said that, we have had no other official suggestion that vladimir putin would participate in any kind of peace talks held in azerbaijan, so at the moment, it is
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a very confusing picture and it is a continuation of what we have seen from the kremlin in recent days, a lot of obfuscation and confusion around whether or not russia really is prepared to negotiate. vladimir putin has also issued a statement this morning thanking russian troops in ukraine, calling what they are doing their "courageous" and i want to bring you a little bit of breaking news because the internationaljudo federation has announced that the russian president is to be suspended or has been suspended as its honorary president. that might sound rather facile. suspended as its honorary president. that might sound ratherfacile. mr putin is a black belt enthusiast, he likes to show off his judo skills, but i think it is yet another illustration of how isolated he is increasingly becoming, notjust politically but also in terms of sport, in terms of culture, the disapproval coming in from around the world from all different sectors of society, notjust politics. it is
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really rather striking. we of society, notjust politics. it is really rather striking.— of society, notjust politics. it is really rather striking. we are also heafina really rather striking. we are also hearing reports — really rather striking. we are also hearing reports from _ really rather striking. we are also hearing reports from eu - really rather striking. we are also hearing reports from eu officialsl hearing reports from eu officials that an eu wide flight ban for russian flights could be part of a fresh sanctions on moscow. the question really is whether president putin has the support that he needs internally to continue with this operation and what sort of pressure he would likely to yield to, if any? this is the really difficult question, i don't think anyone can answer it. at the moment, mr putin is bullish about sanctions. this morning, state television has been saying that the central bank it is ready to make sure that everything will be ok, that citizens won't notice the impact of sanctions. but of course it is extremely unlikely, analysts around the world saying these will have a deep economic impact. whether that is going to be enough to potentially infuriate citizens to such a degree that they
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dare to rise up against vladimir putin seems extremely unlikely at this stage. this is a country that does not brook opposition. we learned this morning, well over 3,000 people arrested simply for protesting on the streets against the war in ukraine. i didn't answer your question there about how russia sees the progress of the invasion. of sees the progress of the invasion. of course, it doesn't call it an invasion and in fact the media here are not allowed to describe it as a war, an invasion or an attack, this is a "special military operation" as far as the kremlin is concerned and their narrative is they are simply going in to try and rescue, to come to the aid of the russian speaking population living in eastern ukraine from what the kremlin terms the aggression of the ukrainian government. we did have an update from the defence ministry here overnight. they focus largely on what is happening in eastern ukraine and accused ukrainian forces of attacking civilian residential areas. they say that ukrainian
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soldiers have been so ending in their hundreds. they did also say they have taken two cities in the south of ukraine near to the coast of the black sea. as far as russia is concerned, as far as what you see on state television here is concerned, this is all going according to plan, it's all going very well. i should also just tell you as well but today is an important day for russia, the seventh anniversary of the assassination of the leading opposition politician boris nets up, shot dead not far from the kremlin in 2015, a vociferous opponent of vladimir pugh chain and people have been using this anniversary today to go out on the streets in protest again and no doubt authorities will be keeping a close eye on what develops —— nemtsov boris nemtsov.
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we can speak to damien mcguinness now in berlin. we have seen further action from germany today. yes, and it has surprised a lot of people because what we are seeing right now in germany in front of our eyesis right now in germany in front of our eyes is arguably the biggest change in post—warforeign eyes is arguably the biggest change in post—war foreign policy eyes is arguably the biggest change in post—warforeign policy that germany has carried out for a long, long time, many decades. untiljust a few days ago, the consensus here in germany amongst mainstream politicians and left centre—right was really that you shouldn't send arms into ukraine, you shouldn't send arms into a conflict zone because it will exacerbate the conflict, that would be the traditional idea in germany. that has all changed. we saw last night, olaf scholz quite unexpectedly announced that germany would send quite substantial amounts of arms directly to ukraine and also would scrap a ruling that prevented third countries from sending german manufactured arms, because, traditionally, they were not allowed
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to send german—made arms to conflict zones. that has been overturned. quite a lot of swift action after some heavy criticism from western allies that germany wasn't doing enough and also some heavy criticism within germany. people on the streets demanding that the german government do more and i think what it is also interesting to note is the government parties that are carrying out these quite radical changes with how it regards russia, it is astounding because the spd, the leading centre—left party traditionally has a mantra and it is a deep—seated ideology, of talking to russia rather than fighting with russia. it is very important to that party �*s history. the greens are a pacifist party, their roots are in the peace movement of the 1960s, 70s and 1980s and the fact that these two parties are so hawkish with russia, it isjust two parties are so hawkish with russia, it is just evidence really of how much germany has suddenly shifted. we are going to see a parliamentary debate in about 15 minutes, olaf scholz, the
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chancellor, is going to speak to the nation there and what we are seeing right now is germany standing up to putin's russia and ditching some old ideas about how to keep peace in europe. no longerjust through trade and diplomacy but also a recognition that, in some instances, military might mightjust have to be used. and, you know, if germany comes out of the, or forces and, you know, if germany comes out of the, orforces rush and, you know, if germany comes out of the, or forces rush out of the swift exchange system, does that effect, for example, europe's ability to pay for gas or trade with any other business? that ability to pay for gas or trade with any other business?— any other business? that is of course a huge _ any other business? that is of course a huge debate - any other business? that is of course a huge debate here - any other business? that is of course a huge debate here inl any other business? that is of - course a huge debate here in germany because germany is dependent on a lot of its energy needs from russia. that has also been very controversial, not only with western allies, but also here in germany, for years it has been a big debate here. i think what we are seeing with the swift debate, again last night a sudden change of policy.
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until last night, the official policy was it was too brutal a measure and it would impact western economies to severely and would also be untargeted and affect russian people themselves too much, so there was a humanitarian argument. not only the idea that it would affect germany but it would affect russian people too much and that is why last night, the german government came up with this new idea of what they call targeted swift sanctions, targeting certain russia banks and —— certain russian banks and would avoid the collateral damage of affecting ordinary people too much on the way that vladimir putin pops my government is funded. whether that works is another matter and i think it is up for debate but i think we will see clarity over that. i think the key thing is it shows the shift in thinking in germany. even if, with swift, you have to go further, a breach has been broken, if you like. ithink a breach has been broken, if you like. i think we are now seeing a definite consensus within germany's
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government and political mainstream establishment really and with voters that germany needs to get more assertive with russia than it has been until now because people are frankly shocked and stunned by what they are seeing in ukraine. we will see that later today with more big protests, probably bigger than we have seen today in berlin and i am sure the parliamentary debate in just a few minutes here in berlin is going to reflect on some of that anguish about what we are seeing right now in ukraine. the anguish about what we are seeing right now in ukraine.— anguish about what we are seeing right now in ukraine. the change on military weapons — right now in ukraine. the change on military weapons seems _ right now in ukraine. the change on military weapons seems like - right now in ukraine. the change on military weapons seems like a - right now in ukraine. the change on military weapons seems like a huge| military weapons seems like a huge move, does it mean more code, and if i may ask one another, gerhard schroeder, obviously, links with putin, what is his position this morning and is he any sort of, you know, a person with leverage that could be useful at all in terms of trying to negotiate with putin? qm. trying to negotiate with putin? 0k, well, the go _ trying to negotiate with putin? oi, well, the go hard schroder question is a big one. first, with the idea of what is going to next, with such
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rapid action last night and relatively unexpectedly, i don't think people thought olaf scholz would move so quickly and decisively, i think it means everything is on the table. as far as schroder is confirmed, he has been a controversial figure as schroder is confirmed, he has been a controversialfigure in germany for many years. he is on the board of three companies, nord stream and no stream to and is due to take up a position in the summer at gazprom, and he has been under fire for some time and what we saw yesterday, suddenly, leaders of his party, the sdp, leading the government, he has many allies in that party and he was there chancellor for many years here in germany, they now regard him as a toxic figure and have called for him toxic figure and have called for him to be persona non grata, for him to publicly cut all ties with vladimir
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putin, who is a friend of schroeder�*s. he was at birthday parties with him and putin was at schroeder�*s birthday parties and people now view him as toxic. there were suggestions this week that possibly schroeder could negotiate with putin but i think those bridges were burned when schroeder posted something on social media saying that he condemned the war but mistakes have been made on both sides, and didn't name putin by name and i think, for many germans, that was a bridge too far and many are saying schroeder needs to cut all ties with russia and possibly even be sanctioned, so pretty tough words all round. damien mcguinness in berlin, thank you very much. well, here, the uk foreign secretary has urged the russian start to escalate the conflict and said the uk is looking at what more it can do to support ukraine. prime minister boris johnson has said the west is tightening the economic ligature around putin's russia as the allies
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unveiled new measures to hit its financial system. the uk, the eu, america and canada have agreed to exclude certain russian banks from the swift international payment system — among other new sanctions. chris mason has the details. anger at president putin's actions is growing around the world. this was westminster yesterday. late last night, further international action. some russian banks will be removed from an international payment system called swift, which acts like a financial artery, making payments around the world quicker and easier, and russia's central bank faces restrictions too. all of these measures will significantly harm putin's ability to finance his war. putin embarked on a path aiming to destroy ukraine. but what he is also doing, in fact, is destroying the future of his own country. meanwhile in the uk,
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a row has broken out about whether the government is doing enough to welcome refugees fleeing the war. responding to a labour mp, immigration minister kevin foster suggested ukrainians might want to apply for the seasonal worker scheme. the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, said many were in search of swift sanctuary, but the government were suggesting they picked britain's fruit and veg. mr foster's tweet was then deleted. of course we're going to take refugees, this country has had a historic and proud role in taking refugees from all conflicts. the uk is way out in front in our willingness to help with refugees. plenty will now press for more details about how many may be welcomed, when and to where. chris mason, bbc news.
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let's ta ke let's take another look at the refugees situation. nick thorpe is at the border where thousands of refugees have been crossing. i have just been speaking to the un agency, the un refugee agency this morning. so far, they estimate that 20,000 people have crossed to hungary. that compares to 200,000, that's the latest official figure, who crossed to poland. more than 40,000, as we've been hearing from lucy now, to moldova. i don't yet have the numbers for romania. slovakia, another 15—20,000 there, so ukraine is leaking in all directions. just to give you an image of what i can see here close to the hungarian— ukrainian border, i will try to pan slightly to the side here. so people here waiting at the roadside. most of the people here have crossed on foot this morning from ukraine, people telling me that they've waited about eight hours just to cross on foot this morning. they are also telling me, i was just speaking to a 14—year—old boy who said his father had
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dropped his mother and himself and himself and his sister off, he is rather obviously his father obviously having to stay and fight, and the rest of the family dropped off. and then they were waiting eight hours to cross the border to safety here on the hungarian side. the other thing to point out, these tents behind me here, there is obviously the red cross tent, this is new infrastructure built since yesterday. one of the biggest hungarian charities, the hungarian order of the maltese cross, that is that white tent there. so, finally, i think one of the stories from today from this long 2,000—kilometre border of ukraine with western europe, is that the response of aid agencies is now getting into gear, with a lot more support, even then there was yesterday. and what about the government's response to this, because hungary so often out of sync with the rest of europe. viktor orban, i understand, has been to the border and you have spoken to him. that's right, i spoke to him
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yesterday exactly at this position. he said that, until now, the response was his government officials had been touring the border area talking to local mayors, talking to the police and military about what was needed and, literally since his visit, even as he was here, within minutes of his arrival here, mobile toilets have been the biggest shortage, really, there were literally no toilets at all for these thousands of people streaming across the border, they arrived within minutes of his visit. also, you can see gas containers to warm up people during the night and a lot more food has arrived, so the refugee response is getting into gear. mr orban, i put it to him that hungary has been slow to defend hungary has been slow to condemn russia and he refuted that, he said his work had been for peace and he met vladimir putin himself in moscow a few weeks ago. he'd shared, he said, all the information that he got
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from putin with nato, with hungary's nato allies and basically i think there is a shift in the hungarian government position. they were reluctant to condemn russia, they have been very proud of their friendship with russia, despite their eu and nato membership and now, they are really falling into line, i would say, with other eu and nato countries, condemning the russian aggression and doing what they can on border crossings like this to help the people streaming across. nick thought there on the hungarian border. when russian media suggested that president zelenskyy had fled ukraine, he posted a video to show he hadn't and when america offered evacuation, he said i need ammunition and not a ride.
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ros atkins has more about ukraine's wartime leader. president zelenskyy addressed the nation. translation: the enemy has marked me as the number one target. _ my family is the number two target. they want to destroy ukraine politically by destroying the head of state. mr zelenskyy is facing down a nuclear power. four years ago, he was a comedian with a tv series. he played a character who becomes president. that became reality when, with no political experience, he ran for office and he won. it was a landslide victory. he promised to tackle corruption and promising something new. translation: | will vote _ for zelenskyy because there is hope that this man who comes from the people can better understand us and break the system that exists in the country. but, to his critics, this was a man without the necessary substance. translation: i don't think he or the other candidates l will stand up to putin. they willjust have a laugh, drop to their knees and give him ukraine. that has not happened. as the russian military gathered on ukraine's border, president zelenskyy was visiting his troops and sending this message.
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speaking about our independence, that is it. we are deciding what we want and we are deciding what we will do. days later, a man who once made people laugh was leading them against an invasion. while russia bombarded the capital on friday, for a time there was speculation about the president's whereabouts. russian state media claimed he fled the country. he had not. translation: we are all here. our soldiers are here, the citizens of our country are here. we are all here protecting our independence, our country and it will continue to be this way. this was outside the president's office in central kyiv on friday evening. he would warn — this night will be difficult, very difficult. but the morning will come. the night was difficult, the russian onslaught continued. morning would come too, and as it did we heard from the president again. translation: listen, i am here. we will not lay down our weapons. we will defend our state because our weapon is our truth. putin wants control
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of ukraine, president zelenskyy stands in his way and with danger all around, reports emerged that the americans had offered an evacuation to which mr zelenskyy replied "i need ammunition, not a ride." in the middle of all this, the president raised the stakes further, tweeting that it is a crucial moment to close long—standing discussion once and for all and decide on ukraine's membership in the european union. but as the president looks west, his capital city hosts an invasion by russia to the east. back in 2019, he was hosting a celebration. the new president told his supporters "i will never let you down." he can't have imagined that promise would be tested like this. ros atkins there. let mejust bring let me just bring you the latest live pictures coming into is from kyiv and our correspondent paul adams has said that the biggest concern for the ukraine government this morning is russian troops are
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mounting outside the second largest city kharkiv and explosions can be heard to the north—west. this is bbc news. hello. a lot of sunshine on the way for the uk today. perhaps, if anything, the sunshine more widespread than yesterday. yesterday, we had a weather front draped across scotland and northern ireland. today, that front will still be close by, but this big area of high pressure sitting across the continent, well, if anything, it will tend to push back on it somewhat. so i think across eastern scotland, for example, and perhaps to the east of northern ireland, there will be more brightness around, particularly through the afternoon, and we'll see the cloud eventually, hopefully shifting offshore, allowing some brightness into the western isles for a time — wind is picking up. across the northwest of scotland, we could see gusts up to a0 miles per hour
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through the second half of the day. in terms of the temperatures, perhaps the shade down on yesterday highs of nine to ii, the odd spot could get up to 12 degrees. through the evening and overnight, however, we will see some thicker, more meaningful cloud approaching from the west as another area of low pressure starts to take influence on our weather. it will mean a milder night for the majority of the uk. just a chance, i think, of a few spots in easternmost england catching a frost as we look at the start of monday. generally, though, under the cloud, lows of five to eight and obviously under the cloud, a much greyer start to monday and much wetter start as well. and this front is going to be waving away as it comes in from the atlantic. what does that mean? well, itjust means it's not very easy to plot its progress with high confidence. it looks like wet weather, certainly for northern england, wales and the south—west of england through the daylight hours on monday. southern scotland catching some rain as well. northern scotland, northern ireland hopefully seeing something a little bit brighter, though the rain could bother the east of northern ireland through the day, the wetter conditions
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at the moment, our forecast has them making their way through eastern england overnight into the small hours of tuesday, with the weather front then draping down towards the continent through the day on tuesday. but that position is subject to some question. if anything, it looks like there could be some heavier rain running in towards the south west of england, perhaps as far north as south wales and the south midlands later on in the day on tuesday. generally, as a rule of thumb for tuesday, the further north you are, the better your chances will be of being dry and bright. a more mixed story, though for wednesday and thursday generally more cloud for all parts of the uk and some outbreaks of rain at times too.
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the queues are because people being
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checked at the borders? this is bbc news broadcasting in the uk and around the globe. our top stories... fears of toxic fumes rise over ukraine — as russian missiles strike an oil terminal. reports russian troops have entered the country's second—largest city, kharkiv. russian vehicles have been seen driving through residential areas. this is the scene in the capital as the country enters the fourth day of its invasion. president zelensky has rejected negotiations with moscow in minsk and gave this update. translation: last night was brutal in ukraine. again, _ translation: last night was brutal in ukraine. again, the _ translation: last night was brutal in ukraine. again, the shelling, - in ukraine. again, the shelling, again the bombing of residential
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