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this is bbc news. welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. i'm geeta guru—murthy. our top stories: officials in the besieged city of mariupol say the evacuation of up to 200,000 civilians has been postponed because russian forces are not observing a planned ceasefire. they continue to destroy mariupol. we decided to move our citizens back because it is not safe to be on the streets. just to know that they are alive. like, every time i close my eyes i can see and hear my mum and hear the voice of my dad, and i don't know if i will hear them again. sorry...
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the city authorities say talks are under way with the russian side to establish a secure humanitarian corridor. i'm yalda hakim live in ukraine's western city of lviv where tens of thousands of people continue to arrive, fleeing the fighting elsewhere. protests against russian occupation have broken out in kherson — the only big city to have been captured so far. ukraine's president, volodymyr zelensky, has been addressing the us senate by video link to appeal for more help. poland warns of a refugee crisis on an unimaginable scale — as thousands of people continue to flee the fighting in ukraine. and i'm kasia madera live on the poland— ukraine border. the numbers keep growing as the thousands and thousands of people entered this
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country. hello, thanks for joining hello, thanks forjoining us. authorities in the southern port city of mariupol say the evacuation of up to 200,000 civilians has been postponed because russian forces are not observing a planned ceasefire. officials have asked citizens to �*disperse, and head for shelter�*. two humanitarian corridors had been announced to allow civilians to leave both mariupol and the nearby city of volnovakha. it comes as ukraine's president has strongly criticised the west for ruling out a no—fly zone over his country — while russian attacks continue. he said nato members would have blood on their hands. ukraine's president zelensky is currently addressing the american senate by video link to appeal for more help.
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let's get the very latest now. death, dangerand destruction in chernihiv. this once peaceful european city has descended into a dystopian world. civilians struggle to survive amidst the onslaught of russian attacks. translation: yesterday, - there were bodies everywhere. there was a queue in front of a pharmacy and then they were all lying there dead. what the hell are those scumbags doing? translation: my heart has been blown up because my children didn't _ manage to leave in time. my grandchildren are here and i came walking through the entire town so we can think about getting out of here. air strikes, artillery and missiles are reducing some of ukraine's cities to rubble as the country continues to resist russia's invasion. those who can have been leaving the capital before it is surrounded.
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but in the coastal town of mariupol, a ceasefire to allow residents to escape collapsed amidst repeated shelling. ukraine's president volodymyr zelensky says civilians must be allowed to leave. translation: surrounded cities are being destroyed. and experiencing the worst days. humanitarian corridors must work today. mariupol and volnovakha, to save people, women, children, the elderly, to give food and medicine to those who remain. and the ukrainian military is fighting back, armed with stinger missiles and other weapons from the west, it has been inflicting serious losses on the invaders. but russia still has the numerical advantage. it has more tanks, planes and troops then ukraine can muster. its forces are expected to encircle and besiege kyiv.
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president putin has said the operation will continue. russian officials deny targeting civilians and blame ukraine for the failure of peace talks so far. round three of these negotiations, the future rounds of negotiations, it is difficult to comment on them. it also does not really add some optimism, all these, so to speak, angry statements of mr zelensky. for ukraine's civilians trapped in this war, there is a desperate need for humanitarian corridors. 0veri million people have now fled the country, the fastest exodus of refugees in recent history. they don't know when they will return, or how much of their country will be left. frank gardner, bbc news. ijust want i just want to bring you ijust want to bring you some of the lines being reported on the diplomatic front by reuters, the state department in the us saying antony blinken, us secretary of state and chinese foreign minister, have spoken about the situation over
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ukraine. 0bviously china is a big ally potentially of russia and lots of interest as to whether they can exert any influence on vladimir putin. the russian foreign ministry seems to have been briefing as well, some lines coming out from the. the report from reuters say the russian foreign ministry said london has chosen to move towards more open confrontation with russia and promise tough response measures against london over this, this is reported by reuters and we will confirm it as soon as we can. also being reported by reuters that the russian foreign ministry is talking about us inaction over senator graham because my comments about putin will further damage ties, and thatis putin will further damage ties, and that is referring to lindsey graham's comments this week are calling for someone basically to take out putin. those diplomatic lines coming in on a day when the
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humanitarian corridors have failed. but there are still hopes for some sort of diplomatic outcome here, even though the military action seems to be stepping up. and yalda joins us now live from lviv in western ukraine. thank you. and as you say, on day ten of this conflict, it seems to be intensifying. there was some hope this morning when the russian defence ministry announced that they would have a partial ceasefire and create a humanitarian corridor for the people who were stuck in the southern cities of mariupol and volnovakha. we spoke to the deputy mayor of mariupol, sergei 0rlov, who said to me that actually the shelling and fighting continued there and the people hadn't received any kind of respite from the fighting. he called on people there to stay where they could, to seek
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shelter and disperse, and that there would be more advice given about a potential evacuation and that talks were continuing with the russians. let's have a listen. our people told us the shelling stops for a little time but then it continues. and they continued to use hard artillery and rockets to bomb mariupol. that's why people are very scared. but anyway, they go to three specific points from which we will go in to evacuate them by municipal buses. but we had another situation that it was confirmed that all the road, and they told us the road from mariupol to zaporizhzhia is safe. but we received information that there are hard fights on this road — it's on the road to zaporizhzhia —
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and it's not safe to go by this road because of these fights. so we have two objections — first of them the continued shelling of mariupol and next the fights. so we understand it was not true from the russian side and they continue to destroy mariupol. we decided to move our citizens back because it is not safe to be on the streets. so at the moment people are unable to evacuate mariupol because the shelling continues? at the moment people are unable to evacuate for two reasons. first of all, continuous shelling in mariupol and the other one, fights en route to zaporizhzhia, and it's impossible to evacuate people. has the central government, the ukrainian government,
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spoken to the russian side about this? have they told them that the shelling continues? because this is obviously a breach of the ceasefire, the humanitarian corridor that was agreed to. we communicate with the governor of the donetsk region pavlo kyrylenko. he takes responsibility to communicate with that side. so we received information from the governor of the donetsk region. that was the deputy mayor of mariupol telling me that they were not able to safely evacuate their citizens from the city because the shelling and fighting continued. all of today i have spent time speaking to volunteers who were at an arts centre where they were making camouflage nets for the military. at least 200 volunteers had gathered there and they make about a0 nets a day and the army comes and picks it up day and the army comes and picks it up and takes them where they are
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needed most. while i was there i met a young woman who came to us in tears devastated because she doesn't know where her husband is now. they were residents of the capital kyiv, and she said our life has been completely turned upside down. she then showed me a video of her young daughter. they are now living in a bunker underground. this was a video she shared of them celebrating her birthday, and she said our life is now this, where we are having celebrations and trying to continue some kind of normalcy in this life thatis some kind of normalcy in this life that is now underground. the video you are seeing is of that little girl's birthday party. we also have with us here in lviv a young man who has come here in the last few days from kyiv. he fled the shelling and fighting and made his way to kyiv. hejoins me now on the programme. thank you
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forjoining us. tell us about your journey from kyiv to lviv and why you left. it journey from kyiv to lviv and why ou left. . , journey from kyiv to lviv and why ou left. ., , ., , journey from kyiv to lviv and why ouleft. , ._ ' you left. it was february 21 when this started _ you left. it was february 21 when this started and _ you left. it was february 21 when this started and we _ you left. it was february 21 when this started and we heard - you left. it was february 21 when this started and we heard a - you left. it was february 21 when this started and we heard a huge explosion in the centre next to my street and i heard a huge two or three explosions, we packed our stuff, and went from the city. there was just chaos on the roads. so stuff, and went from the city. there wasjust chaos on the roads. so me and my mother decided to stay in a small village next to kyiv. we had been there for three days. before that, before we got there, there were huge explosions right above my head when we were driving in the car. it was like the sky turned yellow for a brief second and it was a very, very powerful explosion. we stayed in that village for three days and then decided to leave because every night we heard huge bonds and we just couldn't sleep there. i took my mum and my cat we
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drove through the south next to lviv. we drove to the border. i said goodbye to my mum, she went to poland and now i'm here alone. so ou poland and now i'm here alone. so you have to stay and fight? yeah, l poland and now i'm here alone. soj you have to stay and fight? yeah, i cuess, you have to stay and fight? yeah, i guess. there _ you have to stay and fight? yeah, i guess. there is _ you have to stay and fight? yeah, i guess, there is no _ you have to stay and fight? yeah, i guess, there is no way _ you have to stay and fight? yeah, i guess, there is no way back- you have to stay and fight? yeah, i guess, there is no way back for- you have to stay and fight? yeah, i | guess, there is no way back for me. you said you send your child with your mother as well? hat you said you send your child with your mother as well?— you said you send your child with your mother as well? not my child, m cat. your mother as well? not my child, my at my — your mother as well? not my child, my at my mum — your mother as well? not my child, my cat. my mum and _ your mother as well? not my child, my cat. my mum and my _ your mother as well? not my child, my cat. my mum and my cat - your mother as well? not my child, my cat. my mum and my cat went l your mother as well? not my child, | my cat. my mum and my cat went to your mother as well? not my child, - my cat. my mum and my cat went to my sister in the netherlands. and also i have another sister, she lives in moscow, she also left two days ago because there is just nothing to do there. because there is 'ust nothing to do there. ., ' . ., , because there is 'ust nothing to do there. ., , . .,, _ there. how difficult was it saying aoodb e there. how difficult was it saying goodbye to _ there. how difficult was it saying goodbye to your _ there. how difficult was it saying goodbye to your mum? - there. how difficult was it saying goodbye to your mum? it - there. how difficult was it saying goodbye to your mum? it was i there. how difficult was it saying i goodbye to your mum? it was quite difficult but — goodbye to your mum? it was quite difficult but i _ goodbye to your mum? it was quite difficult but i was _ goodbye to your mum? it was quite difficult but i was prepared - goodbye to your mum? it was quite difficult but i was prepared for- difficult but i was prepared for that. i actually told her to leave two hours before the explosions started. i saw this announcement by
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an american minister who said war will start today at aam. i said, mum, we have got to get out of here. but she decided to sleep. but i'm glad that i had the chance to take her out of here. she glad that i had the chance to take her out of here.— her out of here. she must be so worried about _ her out of here. she must be so worried about you. _ her out of here. she must be so worried about you. she - her out of here. she must be so worried about you. she is. - her out of here. she must be so worried about you. she is. but i her out of here. she must be so - worried about you. she is. but what can ou worried about you. she is. but what can you do? — worried about you. she is. but what can you do? what _ worried about you. she is. but what can you do? what are _ worried about you. she is. but what can you do? what are you _ worried about you. she is. but what can you do? what are you going - worried about you. she is. but what can you do? what are you going to l worried about you. she is. but what l can you do? what are you going to do now? are you — can you do? what are you going to do now? are you going — can you do? what are you going to do now? are you going to _ can you do? what are you going to do now? are you going to prepare - can you do? what are you going to do now? are you going to prepare to - now? are you going to prepare to fight? what exactly have you been asked to do? i’m fight? what exactly have you been asked to do?— fight? what exactly have you been asked to do? i'm probably going to 'oin the asked to do? i'm probably going to join the territorial _ asked to do? i'm probably going to join the territorial guard _ asked to do? i'm probably going to join the territorial guard and - asked to do? i'm probably going to join the territorial guard and the i join the territorial guard and the people who guard ukrainian territory. i have no experience with arms. actually, i'm a film director. ifilm arms. actually, i'm a film director. i film shoot with a drone but now i need to be prepared for war. iuntimely i film shoot with a drone but now i need to be prepared for war. when do ou think need to be prepared for war. when do you think you — need to be prepared for war. when do you think you will— need to be prepared for war. when do you think you will see _ need to be prepared for war. when do you think you will see your— need to be prepared for war. when do you think you will see your mum i you think you will see your mum again? it
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you think you will see your mum auain? , ., ., ., ~ you think you will see your mum auain? , ., ., again? it is hard to make any cuesses again? it is hard to make any guesses but _ again? it is hard to make any guesses but i _ again? it is hard to make any guesses but i think _ again? it is hard to make any guesses but i think it's i again? it is hard to make any guesses but i think it's going | again? it is hard to make any i guesses but i think it's going to last a few months. find guesses but i think it's going to last a few months.— guesses but i think it's going to last a few months. �* ., ., , , last a few months. and what does she sa to ou last a few months. and what does she say to you when _ last a few months. and what does she say to you when she _ last a few months. and what does she say to you when she speaks _ last a few months. and what does she say to you when she speaks to - last a few months. and what does she say to you when she speaks to you? i say to you when she speaks to you? she just says, stay safe, . .. say to you when she speaks to you? she just says, stay safe,... d0 say to you when she speaks to you? she just says, stay safe,...- she just says, stay safe,... do you think ou she just says, stay safe,... do you think you will _ she just says, stay safe,... do you think you will be _ she just says, stay safe,... do you think you will be safe? _ she just says, stay safe,... do you think you will be safe? i _ she just says, stay safe,... do you think you will be safe? i hope i she just says, stay safe,... do you think you will be safe? i hope so. l think you will be safe? i hope so. sarver, thank— think you will be safe? i hope so. sarver, thank you _ think you will be safe? i hope so. sarver, thank you for _ think you will be safe? i hope so. sarver, thank you forjoining i think you will be safe? i hope so. sarver, thank you forjoining us. | sarver, thank you forjoining us. this is the story of so many men in this country because of martial law. they are forced to stay here and fight, men between the ages of 18 and 60 who have been forced to say goodbye to their mothers, their sisters, their wives, their daughters, heartfelt goodbyes, heartbreaking scenes. we witnessed those on the polish— hungarian border and we saw the devastation that the families were going through as they said goodbye to one another, unsure of when they will be reunited. back to you. studio: it is
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incredibly difficult to cover this, everybody incredibly moved by what we are seeing and the heartbreak of it all. thank you for your time and work out there in lviv. in the ukrainian capital, there is still a sense of trepidation. 0ur correspondent there — james waterhouse — has been giving us the latest. it's been a picture of calm, to be honest with you. we've had three air raid sirens but it's been a morning where it's still. there are even fewer people that we can see from our vantage point here on the street. you see armed volunteers stood next to professional soldiers on checkpoints and barricades and streets across the city. and you can't help but wonder, do they know what awaits them on the outskirts of the city? that a0—mile long armoured convoy 30 kilometres north remains in situ. army chiefs expect it to be joined by russian reinforcements working their way down. but equally, you wonder if the invaders know what awaits them if or when they arrive here in the capital city,
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because what is happening across ukraine is that the ukrainians are fighting back. this is why we talk on the tenth day of this conflict where one city so far, only one major city has fallen. that said, there is intense fighting continuing. certainly in mariupol in the south—east. that is the last major location that separates advancing russian forces from crimea and separatist—held territories in luhansk and donetsk regions in eastern ukraine. and the worry is, is that those forces will then link up. also, uk officials reckon other cities are also falling under siege to russian troops. kharkiv in the east, another day there of intense fighting and shelling. chernihiv and sumy to the north—east as well. and the worry is that these forces will link up and more cities
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will fall, allowing russian troops to then enclose on their ultimate prize in this so—called special military operation, the capital. james, we keep hearing about the potential strength of the russians. is it clear yet why that convoy is still stuck, why they haven't brought stronger forces in and haven't used more air power? western officials say part of russia's planning in this invasion has been poor, they say. they are talking about supply lines, replenishing food and fuel to troops as they move in. it is a sizeable country and it needs that kind of infrastructure. the other suggestion is that some of the equipment has failed. so vehicles are getting stuck in the mud. but what we have to remember here is that russia has far deeper military reserves than the ukrainian defenders. and what we are seeing, and army chiefs reckon, russian troops are moving south
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from the direction of the border with belarus, bypassing cities that have seen heavy fighting, and just because that convoy is remaining in situ, no—one is relaxing. the worry is, is what we are seeing in these other ukrainian cities will soon happen here. now, president zelensky has asked nato for a no—fly zone. he wants western allies to police the skies and help him repel this russian advance, this sizeable russian advance. but what western leaders are saying is if that was to happen, if you had german, french or british jets in the sky shooting on russian planes, then you would have a much larger conflict, notjust in ukraine, but across the whole of europe. and interestingly, the uk defence secretary said actually a no—fly zone, he made the point, or the case, that that would actually play into russia's hands because of its superior artillery. but president zelensky has got a big zoom meeting with the us senate today to ask for more help.
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he is going to talk about limiting the supply of russian gas, so he's trying to pull out all the stops, as he has done for the last few days in this unprecedented conflict. james waterhouse there in kyiv for us speaking to me a little while ago. nearly1,000 indian students are trapped in a number of hostels in sumy, one of ukraine's conflict zones. they say they have nowhere to go, no food and no water and are fearing for their lives. they have sent a desperate plea to the indian government to help save them. let's just show you some of that video. translator: in order to go i we will need to exit the hostel. there are snipers outside everywhere. every 30 minutes to one hour there is shelling and air strikes. it is freezing outside. sub—zero temperatures outside. how do we step out when it is freezing outside? we have been requesting the indian
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government to rescue us from here. we fear we will die here, we will die if we step out. please help us, government of india. we don't have food or access to water. please help us. and mahtab raza, who you just saw now, spoke to me earlier from his hostel in sumy. right now the situation is not good. from sumy we are very far from the eastern side. we are in ukraine, sumy, the eastern part of ukraine. sumy is the eastern part of ukraine. we are in a hostel right now. you are very near the border with russia. yes. have you tried to leave or been given any advice in terms
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of how to leave the area? no, not any advice from the government. 0ur embassy told us to stay in hostel, don't move from there. without any permission. without any confirmation. we were trying to... have you heard any fighting where you are? yes, all the time. fighting, blasts outside. every one hour or two hours there are blasts outside. there are also air strikes. big explosions outside. through the window.
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you have seen it through the window, air strikes? yes. have you had food or water at all? what, ma'am? have you managed to get hold of any food or water, supplies? yeah. right now we have a water crisis. we don't have water. we don't have a water supply for use, orto we don't have a water supply for use, or to make food or to go to toilet. no water supply right now. how long has it been since you had water? since two days. so you have not drunk any at all? no, we only have a little bit of water to drink. 0nly only a little bit of water to drink. a department member came to provide us water to drink. but for daily use, toilets,
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washrooms, making food, no water supply. no water supply since two days. you cannot get out to the poland or romania side because it is too dangerous. is it too dangerous for you to try to leave and go into russia? we cannot, we cannot go. we cannot go from here. it is very far from here. if we were to go from here, we might get shot on the way. some international people who left to go to the airport they got shot. we cannot go without any security or safety, without government permissions. we cannot leave hostels. have you been given any help at all from anyone in india or ukraine?
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both sides, the president of ukraine and prime minister of india. we want to leave here. we are requesting help from india as well as ukraine. 0ur daily life... day by day we are suffering, big and critical situations. we cannot exist anymore here. you are from all over india. i assume? there are 800, 900 international students here. stuck here in sumy right now. you must be fearful that you are not going to be able to leave. we cannot leave, ma'am. no—one can leave hostel. we cannot go outside. we have no cash, the atm is closed, the bank is closed.
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that was mahtab raza speaking to my earlier from that was mahtab raza speaking to my earlierfrom his hostel in that was mahtab raza speaking to my earlier from his hostel in sumy on the eastern side of ukraine very near the russian border where there is fierce fighting, we understand, at the moment. and about 1000 indian students are trapped there. let's go live to kyiv now where we can speak to 0lena sotnyk who is an adviser to deputy prime minister of ukraine. thank you forjoining us. i don't know whether you were able to hear that interview. if i can pick up on that. i that interview. if i can pick up on that. ., that interview. if i can pick up on that-_ there _ that interview. if i can pick up on that._ there are - that interview. if i can pick up on that._ there are lots i that interview. if i can pick up on that._ there are lots ofj that. i heard it. there are lots of --eole that. i heard it. there are lots of people trapped. _ that. i heard it. there are lots of people trapped, international i that. i heard it. there are lots of- people trapped, international people and your own people trapped in cities with this fighting intensifying. can you offer them any hope at all?— hope at all? they are in the same osition hope at all? they are in the same position as _ hope at all? they are in the same position as ukrainians. _ hope at all? they are in the same position as ukrainians. there i hope at all? they are in the same position as ukrainians. there is i hope at all? they are in the same | position as ukrainians. there is no difference. we are trying to save both international and ukrainians.
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the problem is the humanitarian situation, of course. we are trying to negotiate these green corridors, safe corridors, to evacuate people, and maybe you have been reporting about the preliminary agreement of the russians to give a green corridor from the russians to give a green corridorfrom mariupol the russians to give a green corridor from mariupol to evacuate children and women. and then after this agreement theyjust immediately ignored the ceasefire, and we couldn't get a ceasefire so we can get people from those territories. the same with kherson and the same with khakis. we had 50 or 60 children in devastating, problematic circumstances and conditions. it is true there is a huge lack of basic
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resource —— kharkiv. a lack of municipal services like heating, water and sometimes even electricity. problems with connection. we are really trying to push hard but even the red cross are telling us, guys, we can help you to provide humanitarian corridors but you need to get some approval from the russian side. what is my main worry and what hurts me a lot that the main target and the main strategy of putin and the russian federation is not military, it is not army, it is our civilians. mainly they are just committing genocide of the population, because the main strategy what they are doing, they are surrounding cities with military forces and then they don't let us get in in order to
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evacuate people and in order to just deliver them basic needs, basic products. and one more thing which is also very important, they are hitting both humanitarian infrastructure, so hospitals, for example, and also they are trying to destroy our critical infrastructure, so nuclear plants, you have heard i think about, and now we expect the same attack in a region not far away from 0desa, which is not far away from 0desa, which is not far away from mariupol, sorry, 0desa and kherson. and we expect that if they are going to control both nuclear plants than 35% of electricity
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supply could be blocked, it means a blackout for a third of our population. and one more thing which is awful. i don't know how to say it. now more than i is awful. i don't know how to say it. now more thani million is awful. i don't know how to say it. now more than 1 million children in ukraine arejust it. now more than 1 million children in ukraine are just trapped with military actions. so they are on the territories which are either controlled or blocked with russian military and we can't get them out. we don't know how to evacuate them. so answering your question, yes, we want to do this, we are ready to do this, we are ready to provide full support for international people who want to leave, we are ready to provide, of course, and first of all to our children and women, and also people with heavy disease because we
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also have this problem, but there is no movement from the russian side. they don't want to provide us with a ceasefire and we can't get them safely from these territories. this is the main problem. it is is the main problem. it is absolutely _ is the main problem. it is absolutely awful - is the main problem. it is absolutely awful to i is the main problem. it is absolutely awful to hear. is the main problem. it is absolutely awful to hear this and see this unfolding in front of us in the last few days. we are all incredibly impressed by the resilience of your country. can i ask you a difficult question? there are these talks going on, the possibility of a third round. do you think that any territory should be offered to moscow in order to try and end their invasion, if that would do it? putin has said he wants to take the whole country. but should there be even a thought of a political negotiation here to save lives? yes, it is a very difficult question
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because we are talking about giving land with people who are living in those territories. those are also lives. and secondly, why do you think that if you offered putin something that he will not feel that he is powerful enough to move on? there is no faith in any agreement with russians, this is the problem. i think the main mistake of europe, sorry, all of the whole civilised world is that you think you can talk to him or negotiate with him or trade with him. he is not a normal quy- trade with him. he is not a normal guy. he does not have values. if you are not going to show him power and strength, he is not going to stop. in ukrainian we have a very good pro
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verb —— proverb i will try to translate it, he understandsjust the language of —— he just understands the language of strength. if you want to stop him you have to show him you are strong, brave and you are not going to give up. and what i can see from the west is first of all about sanctions, they are not united enough, i would say. some countries like great britain imposed harsh sanctions, but some countries, they are trying to trade. so we did not see sanctions. swift was switched off to many russian banks, but there is a bank
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in russia still operating and they can trade with european countries. we saw also embargoes on oil and gas. today we received information that it seems there is a company that it seems there is a company thatis that it seems there is a company that is thinking about trading with russia because they are ready to give huge discounts on oil. it is about the double standards, but today, somebody is trying to trade and earn money on this war, but tomorrow other countries, not ukraine, if he is not going to stop in ukraine, then it will be another country and obviously it is not going to be a country out of europe, but it will be a country in the european union.— but it will be a country in the european union. you are talking about expansionism. _ european union. you are talking about expansionism. i— european union. you are talking i about expansionism. i completely
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hear your plea for more help and assistance. everybody massively, massively sympathises with that plea. can ijust ask massively sympathises with that plea. can i just ask you massively sympathises with that plea. can ijust ask you one other point as well? because we saw a huge level of fear ratcheted up with the attacks on the nuclear power plant. do you know whether as far as you can the ukrainian authorities are trying to close down the other nuclear power plants because they also are attacked? 0r nuclear power plants because they also are attacked? or would that mean you would lose too much of your electricity and your power supply? first of all, we are not deep experts in how nuclear plants operate, but even for my general understanding and i have been briefed by the energy minister, you cannotjust briefed by the energy minister, you cannot just switch off a nuclear plant. also one more danger if nuclear plants, of course, the
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storage of nuclear waste and it is also very dangerous if for example this nuclear waste storage is attacked. it will be the same risk of a huge, attacked. it will be the same risk ofa huge, huge attacked. it will be the same risk of a huge, huge ecological collapse of a huge, huge ecological collapse of all of europe, notjust ukraine or part of ukraine. it will be a huge problem for all of europe. let's imagine we will shut off and switch off a nuclear power plant, it does not mean they are not dangerous because nuclear waste is there. that is the first problem and the second problem is for example there is a nuclear plant that is operating, and it is surrounded with the military, but they gave opportunity to our staff of the nuclear plant to enter
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and to continue to operate and administrate everything. and i hope they are not going to refuse in the future because otherwise we will all be in a huge danger.— be in a huge danger. adviser to the deu be in a huge danger. adviser to the deputy prime _ be in a huge danger. adviser to the deputy prime minister— be in a huge danger. adviser to the deputy prime minister in _ be in a huge danger. adviser to the deputy prime minister in ukraine, | deputy prime minister in ukraine, thank you very much for your time. do stay safe. residents of irpin, just west of kyivtry to escape the metropolitan area. we are getting these pictures showing picture trying to scramble through the rubble as you can see. they also crossing a river with young families. elderly people. the infirm having to be carried to safety. i presume that is the
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military helping some of these people try and get out of that area. this is just west of give each tree. this is just west of give each tree. this shows the difficulties of people trying to if evacuate an area. it is the built up areas towns and cities that are often being targeted. you can get a sense there that if you are infirm or young it is difficult sometimes just to make basic crossings to try to get to a safer place. we are seeing huge movements of people, displaced people as the attacks are
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increasing. being launched by the russian forces. those pictures have just come into us. were going to go to the pole in ukraine border. my colleague is there. wejust ukraine border. my colleague is there. we just saw some people moving around within ukraine. you are seeing older people trying to get out, people coming to safety, they must be utterly traumatised. it they must be utterly traumatised. it is a huge movement of people. to put it into context how many people are travelling in such a short space of time. this is another bus that has just come from the border. these people have made the crossing into poland and now they are being asked to come off the bus so they can go inside and get a little bit warmed up. bear in mind what these people have gone through. they have just crossed the border into poland and
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theirjourneys have been long and exhausting and uncertain. so the first arrival, the first time that they can come off and just reassess their situation. the children, the over number whelming —— the overwhelming number of children being greeted by volunteers. there are hundreds and hundreds of volunteers doing this across the length of this chain... this area, which was once a car park and has been turned into an emergency situation, a meeting point where people can get off and think about what it is that they do next. next to us is a huge warehouse and it is where they have arranged an emergency place where people can get a bit of sleep. the us secretary of state anthony blinken who has been in warsaw talking to the polish prime ministerjust a short time
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ago, he was here, he went inside this enormous warehouse to see for himself how the people that have just crossed over from himself how the people that have just crossed overfrom ukraine, how they are. we are seeing just this overwhelmingly emotional scene, the children are exhausted. predominantly mothers of course because the men had to stay and fight. ukrainian nationals have to stay and fight. exhaustion and bewilderment. anthony blinken was here. he said about his visit that it was one of the most urgent moments in the long history between our two countries. and the us secretary of state added that the deployment of us soldiers to poland would continue. and he came here to see for himself what these people have been experiencing. this is the first part of their gnowjourney in poland and the next step is what do they do next? because such a huge
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number of people coming into this one country, bearing in mind how many people have been displaced from ukraine. there was a massive effort, an enormous effort about how these people then take the nextjourney. continuously, we hear people with questions with walkie—talkies saying to have places, to have transport to go to warsaw or krakoff? these people are being moved on because there is an understanding that more are coming. there are more people on the border and more will be coming. they will be brought here, they will be brought to various different places like this crossing and then they will be moved into other parts of poland. just have a look. they have just crossed, they are now in the safety of poland. poland is consistently saying that everybody, all nationalities who have to flee ukraine are welcome. all
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nationalities are welcome into this country. everybody will have the protection now that they are in the safety of this eu country, but of course with such a huge number of people on the move all the time, their uncertainty is in norma's. there is a tremendous effort from all of the eu supporting this country given that a large amount of people will be coming just here. 0ur correspondent kasia madera, is on the poland—ukraine border. thank you so much for that. no end to the number of people trying to flee the violence in ukraine. 0ne city that has been blasted is mario pole. it was supposed to be humanitarian corridor to help people out of there and it has failed today. —— mario a short time ago i spoke to kyiv resident alexandra arkhrery. she's lost contact with her family in mariupol.
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the city has about a half a million people. half of them are cut off from any kind of connection. no internet, no mobile, no messaging, sms, nothing in general. we cannot connect, we cannot check if they are safe. we cannot know if our houses are still there in general. also i know that most part of people are cut off from water, electricity. they have no supplies, no food. also looting has started and i'm afraid that my family cannotjust be killed by a bomb, but killed by people who are hungry and they need water. i don't know if they are able to protect themselves. and their defenders are very, very... excuse me. very weak there. they are not protected at all. i have no idea. i know that my father four days ago,
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last time i heard from them, they tried to reach a nearby drugstore just to have some... equipment for injections for my granny because she needs insulin all the time. like half a year ago, i was taking care of her because she was after a very hard injury and we saved her life and now i don't know what will be... when my father was returning, a shell felljust two houses from him and it was i don't know, it was luck that it didn't detonate. that was the last news that i heard. that he was safe. since then i have not heard anything from them. i know that it was super close to my house, i know that it was less than 500 metres from my house
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and if they are bombing there, i don't know who is still safe. and a lot of my friends are calling now their families. they are my classmates who are looking for their families. they all are there and no connection. like for the past four days, all of us like crazy are trying to make everything possible to find our families, to find our homes and just to know that they are alive. every time i close my eyes, eyes see and hear my mum and i hear the voice of my dad and i don't know if i will hear them again. sorry, that's much harder than i thought. she was speaking to me a little earlier today. she lives in kyiv, but is obviously distressed and understandably terrified. because
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she has not heard from herfamily. residents of kherson — the only big city to have fallen to the russian army so far — have been holding a loud protest in central square against the occupiers. videos on social media show russian soldiers firing into the air to deter the approaching crowd. my colleague yalda hakim has been speaking to yevhen, a resident in kherson in southern ukraine — the first major city to be taken by russia, after heavy fighting, since it invaded. we're just using his first name to protect his safety. i want to say they said kherson is on the edge of humanitarian catastrophe because the city is running out of food and medicine. he wants a humane corridor for aid but that was rejected.
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instead of that they are using it for propaganda purposes. they went to the senti it —— they went to the centre of the city and they were pretending that they were person citizens who were taking eight and saying thank you to the russian troops. it was a small group. and the real citizens were around and they did not take anything. they said we need nothing for the occupants. and they said to the russian troops, go away. today the second part of russian propaganda because russian troops
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were in the centre of kherson. they are going... at the moment, is the fighting in kherson? 0ur ukrainian forces trying to take the city back? every night we hear about six or ten explosions. it sounds like mortars because we know how mortars sound from the first day. we don't know who is bombing. today russian troops were firing in the air but not on the people. about 2000 people. 0n the centre square.
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tell us a little bit more about the people who gathered at the square. what did they say and how did the russian troops respond? the people on the centre square, normal people with the russian flag. they are recording for russian propaganda. real citizens were on the centre square. they were surrounded. they are demanding from the russian soldiers that they leave and saying that they are not the liberators. they are occupying kherson. they said they are occupying and they are not the liberator.
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after some time, a huge amount of people will go across from the city. we call it the march of freedom, of independence for ukrainian people. are you currently able to go back to your home or are you staying in some kind of underground bunker? what are the living conditions like? we were in the underground bunker when the russians were bombing kherson. now they are in kherson. they are not bombing themselves, but every night we here in the mortar shells. we don't know why. now we are in our homes because we are trying not to go outside. russian groups are stopping cars, they are checking even phones. they are looking on the gallery and searching evidence for help for the ukrainian army. that was the interview
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with a resident in kherson. just to let you know in terms of the number of people fleeing ukraine, we are hearing that more than 800,000 have now fled to poland according to the polish border guard agency. and the polish border guard agency. and the un refugee agency said they thought about 1.3 million have fled the country completely to neighbouring nations. that could go up neighbouring nations. that could go up to one and a half million just by this weekend. and millions more in the coming days and weeks if this does not end. protests about the conflict are taking place around the world. 0ur correspondent phil bodmer is at one of them in manchester. we can see a lot of people behind you. we can see a lot of people behind ou. . , ., ., ':: z: z: you. that is right, around 1000 eo - le you. that is right, around 1000 people turned _ you. that is right, around 1000 people turned out _ you. that is right, around 1000 people turned out this - you. that is right, around 1000. people turned out this afternoon you. that is right, around 1000 i people turned out this afternoon in support of people in ukraine. let's
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get some reaction. were going to talk to this man. what do you make of this turnout in solidarity today? i think it is fantastic, itjust shows_ i think it is fantastic, itjust shows you the strength of the people of manchester. we've got ukrainians, georgians, _ of manchester. we've got ukrainians, georgians, a — of manchester. we've got ukrainians, georgians, a lot of eastern europeans and people here from hong kong's, _ europeans and people here from hong kong's, so— europeans and people here from hong kong's, so a _ europeans and people here from hong kong's, so a big thank you to them. you have _ kong's, so a big thank you to them. you have greek heritage as well. you've got people who are in ukraine as well who are trying to get here. yes, we managed to get some family members _ yes, we managed to get some family members out — yes, we managed to get some family members out of— yes, we managed to get some family members out of greece, _ yes, we managed to get some family members out of greece, but - yes, we managed to get some family members out of greece, but not i members out of greece, but not everyone — members out of greece, but not everyone unfortunately. - members out of greece, but not i everyone unfortunately. hopefully the visa _ everyone unfortunately. hopefully the visa conditions _ everyone unfortunately. hopefully the visa conditions will— everyone unfortunately. hopefully the visa conditions will be - everyone unfortunately. hopefully the visa conditions will be waived i the visa conditions will be waived so i the visa conditions will be waived so i can— the visa conditions will be waived so i can bring— the visa conditions will be waived so i can bring some _ the visa conditions will be waived so i can bring some family- the visa conditions will be waived so i can bring some family and i the visa conditions will be waived i so i can bring some family and look after— so i can bring some family and look after them — so i can bring some family and look afterthem here. _ so i can bring some family and look afterthem here. harar— so i can bring some family and look after them here.— after them here. how is it trying to contact people _ after them here. how is it trying to contact people back _ after them here. how is it trying to contact people back in _ after them here. how is it trying to contact people back in ukraine? it is intermittent and then sometimes you can _ is intermittent and then sometimes you can and — is intermittent and then sometimes you can and then— is intermittent and then sometimes you can and then you _ is intermittent and then sometimes you can and then you realise - is intermittent and then sometimes you can and then you realise you i you can and then you realise you can't _ you can and then you realise you can't because _ you can and then you realise you can't because i_ you can and then you realise you can't because i been— you can and then you realise you can't because i been in- you can and then you realise you can't because i been in bomb i can't because i been in bomb shelters _ can't because i been in bomb shelters is— can't because i been in bomb shelters. , ., can't because i been in bomb shelters. , . ., shelters. is a uk government doing enou:h?
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shelters. is a uk government doing enough? firstly _ shelters. is a uk government doing enough? firstly big _ shelters. is a uk government doing enough? firstly big support - shelters. is a uk government doing enough? firstly big support for- shelters. is a uk government doing enough? firstly big support for the| enough? firstly big support for the uk government _ enough? firstly big support for the uk government for _ enough? firstly big support for the uk government for what _ enough? firstly big support for the uk government for what it - enough? firstly big support for the uk government for what it has i enough? firstly big support for the | uk government for what it has done up uk government for what it has done up to— uk government for what it has done up to now _ uk government for what it has done up to now. secondly, i think we are at a crossroads. what ukraine wants desperately is a no—fly zone and as president _ desperately is a no—fly zone and as president zelensky said if you cannot— president zelensky said if you cannot give us that, give us some planes _ cannot give us that, give us some planes we — cannot give us that, give us some planes we have pilots, we will control— planes we have pilots, we will control the skies. the planes are killing _ control the skies. the planes are killing people indiscriminately in ukraine, — killing people indiscriminately in ukraine, bombing civilian targets and causing mayhem.— ukraine, bombing civilian targets and causing mayhem. thank you for talkin: to and causing mayhem. thank you for talking to us — and causing mayhem. thank you for talking to us today, _ and causing mayhem. thank you for talking to us today, i _ and causing mayhem. thank you for talking to us today, i know - and causing mayhem. thank you for talking to us today, i know this i talking to us today, i know this rally is about to wind up in about ten minutes. as you can see a pretty decent turnout here today.— ten minutes. as you can see a pretty decent turnout here today. thank you very much- — decent turnout here today. thank you very much- you _ decent turnout here today. thank you very much. you might _ decent turnout here today. thank you very much. you might have _ decent turnout here today. thank you very much. you might have heard i decent turnout here today. thank you very much. you might have heard my| very much. you might have heard my voice come up there, but i wanted to let you know that the state department in the united states has said that the us government has approved a flight chartered by the russian government to facilitate the departure of a russian un personnel who were expelled for abuse of their
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privileges. that has just come in to us. there is much more coming up on ukraine. all the very latest with my colleague in a few minutes. we wanted to let you know about a piece of news in afghanistan. a very feared leader from the taliban with links to al-qaeda a global designated terrorist, sirajuddin haqqani has been seen and photographed openly for the first time in a public event in kabul. he is currently the taliban interior minister. he is want to —— he is wanted for a number of terrorist attacks. that is sirajuddin haqqani photographed for the first time.
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much more on ukraine and events there on the ground for my colleagues. hello. where you had the coldest, frosty start this is where you are seeing most of the saturday sunshine so far today. here is a view from wales. northern ireland, much of scotland seeing the sunshine as well. but it's a very different story across much of the eastern side of england. this cloud giving a little light rain and drizzle in places too from a weather front which is hanging around through the rest of today and only very gradually moving westwards over the weekend and weakening as it does so. as you can see elsewhere where we are getting all of the sunshine most places are looking dry. though the chance ofjust catching the odd shower and some patchy cloud around the northern half of scotland. but this is the cloudier zone, through much of the eastern side of england, the east midlands and down into southern england, a bit of patchy light rain and drizzle.
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the further west you are in south—west england and you've got some sunshine through wales, northern ireland and into scotland. it is chilliest where you have the cloud today, just six or 7 degrees. this is where you have the strongest north—easterly breeze as well, so adding an extra chill proceedings. some of the cloud will nudge a little bit further west overnight into parts of wales, the west midlands, more of south—west england. where you have the thickest cloud, and still some drizzle, just a chance of a patchy frost but the lowest temperatures will be under clearest skies, particularly across scotland and northern ireland. —5 to —8 in the coldest spots here, but with plenty of sunshine. it is across southern england, parts of wales too and the midlands that we are most likely to continue with some cloud and the chance of some drizzle tomorrow. and the strongest, coldest wind as well. although a few brighter spells coming through, most of the sunshine will be in northern ireland, northern england and scotland. still feeling quite chilly, particularly where you have the wind and cloud and may be a bit chillier in scotland and northern ireland compared with today. and with a less in the way
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of cloud around, overnight and into monday morning, seeing more widespread frost setting in but the clearest skies are likely to be in northern england and scotland by monday morning. this is where we will see the lowest temperatures and the sharpest frost. the likelihood on monday that most places will be dry but the cloud shifting a little further north during the day into more of scotland and northern ireland, more sunny spells developing in england and wales, still feeling chilly, and particularly in the wind. the story of the week ahead is of high pressure giving plenty of dry weather. it will gradually give way to low pressure from the atlantic, so turning wetter, still windy, but milder later in the week.
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this is bbc news — welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. our top stories — officials in the besieged city of mariupol say the evacuation of up to 200,000 civilians has been postponed because russian forces are not observing a planned ceasefire. they continue to destroy mariupol. we decided to move our citizens back because it is not safe to be on the streets. just to know that they are alive. like, every time i close my eyes i can see and hear my mum and hear the voice of my dad, and i don't know if i will hear them again. sorry... city authorities say
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