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this is bbc news — welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. our top stories... russia offers to temporarily stop attacks to allow ukrainian civilians to escape from some cities — but ukraine says the plan is �*immoral�* as most routes lead to russia or belarus. meanwhile, ukrainian authorities say rocket attacks have continued on residential areas in several cities. the head of the international atomic energy agency tells the bbc of his fears over fighting your power plants in ukraine. i
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fears over fighting your power plants in ukraine.— plants in ukraine. i am very worried- — plants in ukraine. i am very worried- i — plants in ukraine. i am very worried. i very _ plants in ukraine. i am very worried. i very worried - plants in ukraine. i am very - worried. i very worried because what we had last week was a close call. something like this should never happen again. oil prices hit a 13 year high, after the us said it was discussing a potential ban on russian supplies with other countries. more than a million and a half people have fled ukraine so far, a million of them have gone to poland in the 12 days since the russian invasion began. the british prime minister, borisjohnson, meets his canadian and dutch counterparts, as western powers prepare to agree more sanctions on russia clearly what is happening now is that putin is doubling down on his aggression and he is deciding to attack any pretty way. that is
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producing huge waves of people. we have to respond to that and we will. hello and welcome to bbc news live from lviv in western ukraine — on day 12 of the war here. ukraine has rejected moscow's idea that ukrainian civilians fleeing russian attacks should use humanitarian corridors to seek refuge in russia or in its ally belarus. the government in kyiv said the proposal was "completely immoral" and that people should be allowed to escape to territory held by the ukrainian military. two attempts to evacuate civilians over the weekend
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ended in failure — with russia and ukraine accusing each other of violating a humanitarian ceasefire. ukraine authorities say rocket attacks have continued on residential areas in several cities. this map shows the areas — here in red — where the russians are now said to be in control. the port of mariupol — where tens of thousands of civilians are trapped — is especially important as it ensures ukraine's access to the black sea. but the main concentration of russian forces is still around kyiv and there are fresh warnings from ukraine authorities of an all—out assault on the capital. our first report is from james waterhouse in kyiv. a city and regional dropping its guard. the russians were not geting the red carpet treatment. while the defender slip outwards, citizens are going the other way towards the centre, escaping russian mortarfire on the western outskirts of the city.
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moscow try to also present this as an opportunity. they announced a temporary ceasefire is to let people evacuate surrounding cities across ukraine, including kyiv. the eventual destinations, belarus or russia, the facilitator and architect of this brutal invasion. will people at the capitol station be tempted to go the other way? going to russia, no. it is better here or the european countries but not to russia. they never say the truth, you cannot trust them, either. this is where the vast majority of people are heading, west, to cities like lviv. what ukrainians tell you if they do not want to be under russian control, let alone in it. other locations listed on the humanitarian corridors are kharkiv, which has enjoyed days of heavy fighting. look at this university!
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mariupol in the south—east is another location. there are two attempted ceasefires at the weekend in they lasted less than an hour. ukraine has described these proposals as immoral. there is a feeling this is happening in another country but it is happening in our country, not anywhere else, in our country which always wanted peace most of all. how many more losses and deaths we need? the invaders continue to blame so—called ukrainian nationalists will break infighting. detailed information about the humanitarian corridors was given to the ukrainian side in advance, as well as dedicated entities of the united nations and international committees of the red cross. today has been a continuation of russia claiming to be
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the liberator in the school, a conflict which is pushing people either underground or out of the country they call home. we have an update from the united nations which has released its latest figures for confirmed civilian casualties full stop the office of the un high commissioner for human rights says since the russian invasion began, 406 civilians have been killed in ukraine with an additional 801 injured is that they say the figures are like significantly higher. let's go now to our chief international correspondent whojoins go now to our chief international correspondent who joins us live from the capital kyiv. we have seen some horrific images over the past 24 hours, it is difficult to look at them but it is also difficult to look away. the civilians who were killed who are trying to get away, especially those images of the mother and her two children. yes. mother and her two children. yes, sor , mother and her two children. yes, sorry. i'm — mother and her two children. yes, sorry. i'mjust_
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mother and her two children. yes, sorry, i'm just listening _ mother and her two children. yes, sorry, i'm just listening to - motherand hertwo children. 13; sorry, i'm just listening to the sound of explosions on the rim of the city. there has been a constant barrage, like rolling thunder in the last hour and earlier today. yes, north—west of the city, there was a dreadful scene yesterday, the town which seems like a charming town on the edge of this capital has been the edge of this capital has been the scene of heavy shelling for many days, that shelling came ever closer to areas. there were mortars landing on both sides of a makeshift bridge where hundreds of people have trying to flee and in that casualty toll yesterday of an entire family, four people were killed in the russian shelling. now we've just had an update which was given to ukrainian media by the male who said this morning that he was able to evacuate —— they were able to evacuate about 1000 civilians which went off easily
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but the russian shelling on that city continues and he also said ukrainian forces have unable to repel the attack in russia and they push them to the edge of the city but there is no doubt that russian forces will continue to try to drive forward and they already control towns which are also on the approach route to the capital kyiv.— route to the capital kyiv. there's been this attempt _ route to the capital kyiv. there's been this attempt for— route to the capital kyiv. there's been this attempt for the - route to the capital kyiv. there's been this attempt for the last i route to the capital kyiv. there's i been this attempt for the last three days now including today to evacuate people to create a humanitarian corridor with both sides now blaming the other for why that has not been successful although you are telling us some people have been able to get out but that was not because of a humanitarian corridor being created. yes, there were initially two corridors, one in the east of ukraine and also from mira paul, a
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strategic port city. —— miropol with vladimir putin saying he had agreed to those procedures after a phone call with. there is a route to leave from kyiv and people of irpin would have to go through that, but they russia has said four of the six routes would go to belarus in the north, a key ally of russia, or to russia in the east, and ukraine has condemned this as morally unacceptable because you simply cannot have people who are coming under russian shelling to
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then go to russia to seek a refuge. thank you so much for that update there and those latest developments for us. the latest british military assessment of the fighting says russian forces are deliberately targeting ukraine's communications systems, to prevent people getting access to reliable information. american military sources have said the russians are still meeting strong resistance, and that they haven't secured full control of ukrainian airspace. 0ur correspondent caroline hawley has this update on the advance of russian forces. so, let's have a look now at the latest map of how things look on the ground. the red areas in the east, south and north of ukraine are controlled by russia and the striped areas are where russian forces are still advancing — still meeting strong resistance. here you can see some of the key cities — the capital, kyiv, where
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as you've heard there's been intense fighting north of the city. and then here in the south, russia now controls significant areas as it's pushed east and north out of crimea, which it occupied in 2014. president zelensky has warned that russian forces are now close to the historic black sea port of odessa and that he's preparing to bomb. for the ukrainian government and aid agencies the urgent priority is now to get civilians to safety as the humanitarian situation worsens by the hour. the port of mariupol has been under siege for several days now under what's been described as relentless bombardment. hundreds of thousands people are trapped in the city, with no water, no electricity, very little food. it's too dangerous for people even bury their dead or get the wounded out for treatment. two ceasefires
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over the weekend failed. this is one of the proposed evacuation route for civilians to leave mariupol. but most of humanitarian corridors that the kremlin is offering lead to either russia or its ally belarus — into enemy hands. and the ukranian govt that described as immoral. russia has been targeting the city of kharkiv with air strikes that president zelensky has called war crimes. i'm joined now by nataliya zubar, whose family has lived in kharkiv for at least six generations. she's there on the ground documenting any war crimes committed. thank you so much forjoining us here on the programme. tell me what you're doing there and khaki. —— what you are doing there in kharkhiv. what you are doing there in kharkhiv-— what you are doing there in kharkhiv. , , . ., , kharkhiv. yes, acoustic terrorism that has not _ kharkhiv. yes, acoustic terrorism that has not been _ kharkhiv. yes, acoustic terrorism that has not been document - kharkhiv. yes, acoustic terrorism that has not been document it i kharkhiv. yes, acoustic terrorism that has not been document it asj kharkhiv. yes, acoustic terrorism i that has not been document it as a war crime before. there is a mass...
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the architecture of a city allows for the noise of bombs, missiles hitting the ground, to pass through the city, so basically hundreds of thousandsif the city, so basically hundreds of thousands if not a million people are hearing it constantly. i experience it myself. 0ne are hearing it constantly. i experience it myself. one big historical building was hit, a blast of one kilometre away from me and i can tell you it is terror, everything is shattering all around. the historic area... and they are all victims of a war
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crime. there are partners which have been documented as a mass scale, mass crime, it is genocide. tells inhosrt a mass crime, it is genocide. tells ighosrt a bit _ mass crime, it is genocide. tells ighosrt a bit more _ mass crime, it is genocide. tells ighosrt a bit more about - mass crime, it is genocide. tells ighosrt a bit more about how you are documenting it because it is so dangerous. the shelling just continues and doesn't seem to stop. they are bombing the city, the way that they are and we have assembled a team of scientists to try to figure out how to present it with some evidence. pare
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figure out how to present it with some evidence.— figure out how to present it with some evidence. �* , ., ., ., .. , , some evidence. are you having access to food, some evidence. are you having access to food. water— some evidence. are you having access to food, water and _ some evidence. are you having access to food, water and heating? _ to food, water and heating? personally, me, yes, but there are hundred or maybe thousands of people, it is hard to say how many. we are also hearing horrific stories of people, bodies lying under the rubble and in the street, and no one is able to go and retrieve those bodies. i is able to go and retrieve those bodies. ., , , , bodies. i did not see it myself, personally- _ bodies. i did not see it myself, personally. you're _ bodies. i did not see it myself, personally. you're not - bodies. i did not see it myself, personally. you're not seeing l bodies. i did not see it myself, i personally. you're not seeing that. is there some _ personally. you're not seeing that. is there some kind _ personally. you're not seeing that. is there some kind of _ personally. you're not seeing that. j is there some kind of humanitarian corridor that has been created or have you seen that every few days? yesterday, i've been to a local supermarket and they said that i wasn't able to get any —— they were not able to get a shipment of food for seven days stop yesterday they got some. find for seven days stop yesterday they not some. �* ., ., ,., for seven days stop yesterday they not some. �* ., ., ., , , .,
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got some. and what about attempts to net out of got some. and what about attempts to get out of the — got some. and what about attempts to get out of the city? _ got some. and what about attempts to get out of the city? how _ got some. and what about attempts to get out of the city? how are _ got some. and what about attempts to get out of the city? how are people i get out of the city? how are people managing to get out? the people i spoke to some residents of kharkhiv. a lot of people are getting out by train but they are —— the rail station is overcrowded. people are getting out by cars and by bus, but it's very dangerous. find getting out by cars and by bus, but it's very dangerous.— it's very dangerous. and what will ou do it's very dangerous. and what will you do now? _ it's very dangerous. and what will you do now? will— it's very dangerous. and what will you do now? will you _ it's very dangerous. and what will you do now? will you stay - it's very dangerous. and what will you do now? will you stay there l it's very dangerous. and what will i you do now? will you stay there and continue? i you do now? will you stay there and continue? , ._ ., continue? i will stay here and continue? i will stay here and continue until— continue? i will stay here and continue until the _ continue? i will stay here and continue until the very - continue? i will stay here and continue until the very end. l continue? i will stay here and. continue until the very end. so continue? i will stay here and i continue until the very end. so the russians cannot... continue until the very end. so the russians cannot. . ._ continue until the very end. so the russians cannot... sorry, go ahead. we are going _ russians cannot... sorry, go ahead. we are going to _ russians cannot... sorry, go ahead. we are going to document - russians cannot... sorry, go ahead. we are going to document the i russians cannot... sorry, go ahead. i we are going to document the crimes. i'm not alone, i'm here with my team and we will documented so the russians cannot get away with it, like to document the crimes they are committing right now. aha,
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like to document the crimes they are committing right now.— committing right now. a resident of kharkhiv you _ committing right now. a resident of kharkhiv you is _ committing right now. a resident of kharkhiv you is they _ committing right now. a resident of kharkhiv you is they are _ committing right now. a resident of. kharkhiv you is they are documenting what the situation and the bloodshed, and she said it is turning into an amount of work crimes. thank you for joining us. the russian chess grandmaster and world champion, garry kasparov has been a political activist against vladimir putin's government. he's a former chairman of the new york—based human rights foundation and he played an active role in the anti—kremlin opposition protest movement when he lived in moscow. he is now based in the us. hejoins me now from new york. thank you forjoining us here in the programme. you are hearing from a resident in kharkhiv. everyday we are seeing arrive here in lviv who are seeing arrive here in lviv who are fleeing the horror, fleeing the bloodshed. are you satisfied with the response from the west? ihla. the response from the west? no. absolutely not. _ the response from the west? iirm absolutely not. the west has the response from the west? i157. absolutely not. the west has always been one or two steps behind and
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many things have been done now that could have probably saved these lives, and saved us from this horse six months ago, and instead of helping ukraine, preparing, and imposing part of the sanctions while us intelligence made clear that an invasion was imminent, they continually use the discussions with vladimir putin and ukraine was unprepared. now we need more. the sanctions are fine but it's not enough to throw russia back into the stone age, we need a blockade, technological, financial. and ukraine needs more help. i understand the argument of those who say that it is a huge risk of being involved in a direct war with russia but if you're afraid of confrontation, how will you defend the eastern flank of the organisation, how will you defend
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lithuania, poland or latvia if russia attacks? i don't think anyone has doubts that have vladimir putin, god forbid, succeeds in ukraine, bombarding this country into submission, though it should not happen, but if it does, then we will definitely test nato and any hesitation of responding to vladimir putin's new provocations will mean the end of nato and total dominance of a russian dictator across not just the former soviet union but the entire eastern europe. what just the former soviet union but the entire eastern europe.— entire eastern europe. what do you think? should — entire eastern europe. what do you think? should a _ entire eastern europe. what do you think? should a no-fly_ entire eastern europe. what do you think? should a no-fly zone - entire eastern europe. what do you think? should a no-fly zone be i think? should a no—fly zone be imposed? think? should a no-fly zone be imposed?— think? should a no-fly zone be imosed? ~ , ., ., ., , imposed? absolutely, and already boldly iate- _ imposed? absolutely, and already boldly late- it _ imposed? absolutely, and already boldly late. it had _ imposed? absolutely, and already boldly late. it had to _ imposed? absolutely, and already boldly late. it had to be _ imposed? absolutely, and already boldly late. it had to be earlier i boldly late. it had to be earlier and ukraine could be offered more supply, notjust stingers. the us and nato, they have sophisticated weapons that could have saved ukraine from the latest horrors, it
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is the helicopters, apache a10 that destroy russian tanks. there are many options but the problem is with those still having the us administration and european nations trying to find not common ground with some sort of compromise and they are still talking about face—saving operations for vladimir wootton. we are missing war crimes on industrial scale. never seen in europe since world war ii and there is no indications, you talked a lot in this programme about humanitarian corridors but that is another attempt to compromise a ukrainian defence system because they are trying to... russian pillars. like mick vladimir putin and the kremlin has said that the humanitarian corridor should only be two words russia and belarus, which the ukrainians have said is complete immoral. absolutely. that is another
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fake... they pretend they care about these people but they know that very few of them if any will ever accept going to russia or belarus, lying is one of the main traits of vladimir putin was my character so the moment he says something, you should assume the opposite. d0 he says something, you should assume the opposite-— the opposite. do you think he is surrised the opposite. do you think he is surprised that _ the opposite. do you think he is surprised that the _ the opposite. do you think he is surprised that the resistance i the opposite. do you think he is. surprised that the resistance with which the ukrainian people and president zelensky has shown? yes. president zelensky has shown? yes, he did not expect _ president zelensky has shown? yes, he did not expect the _ president zelensky has shown? yes he did not expect the war would president zelensky has shown? 12: he did not expect the war would go for so long, it is looking at their behaviour and propaganda machine in the first few days of war and we could indicate the plan was take over kyiv, two or three days, and still a government with a vladimir putin stooge and then the free world would accept the results of his aggressive war if he could succeed
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by destroying ukrainian resistance in a few days and the... ibias by destroying ukrainian resistance in a few days and the. . ._ in a few days and the... was he wron: in a few days and the... was he wrong though — in a few days and the... was he wrong though to _ in a few days and the. .. was he wrong though to think- in a few days and the... was he wrong though to think that? i in a few days and the... was he i wrong though to think that? because if you think to estonia in 2007, georgia in 2008, the annexation of crimea in 2014 and then we had the world cup in russia in 2018, there was the signing in 2015, so it is not as though there has been any kind of signal sent to russia that they could have punishment for actions like this stop absolutely, that's what i'm saying so that was his plan, and i can bet you that if he could have succeeded by taking over kyiv and having president zelensky on the run, americans and europeans will be back at the negotiating table. it did not work because ukrainian succeeded in repelling the first
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advanced and volodymyr zelensky did well at keeping morale high. but there is 04 the population which is not what was expected so we know the outcome of this war would be a disaster for outcome of this war would be a disasterfor vladimir outcome of this war would be a disaster for vladimir putin's regime but then you mean time, they can kill more people because failing to take over kyiv and kharkhiv and failing to destroy the ukrainian army, he is now attacking civilians. it is not indiscriminate, it is intentional. lets talk about russia because we have had demonstrations as far as siberia where we've seen thousands of people over 4000 people arrested and detained but do you think the russian people will continue to speak up about this
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ongoing conflict?— ongoing conflict? 4000 people arrested yesterday. _ ongoing conflict? 4000 people arrested yesterday. and - ongoing conflict? 4000 people i arrested yesterday. and according to new laws made by vladimir region's fascist dictatorship, you could end “p fascist dictatorship, you could end up with three years in jail and spreading the so—called fake news about ukraine, the real loss of russian army could only 15 years in jail and still thousands, i'm very proud of the people who want to save their pride and their owner, and saving the honour of our country but it not enough to overthrow the regime. we need very tough sanctions to make sure the russian economy is in tatters, the financial system is broken and then we will see not tens of thousands but millions of people and also putin should not having access to any financial resources to pay for his release and propaganda machine. hopefully soon.-
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pay for his release and propaganda machine. hopefully soon. thank you for bein: machine. hopefully soon. thank you for being on — machine. hopefully soon. thank you for being on the _ machine. hopefully soon. thank you for being on the programme. - machine. hopefully soon. thank you for being on the programme. thank| for being on the programme. thank ou for for being on the programme. thank you for inviting _ for being on the programme. thank you for inviting me. _ chernobyl nuclear disaster. there are concerns about communication difficulties between the ukrainian regulator and nuclear sites under russian control. earlier my colleague maryam moshiri spoke to rafael grossi, the director—general of the international atomic energy agency about these concerns it is part of a mission we are in permanent contact with the ukrainian nuclear regulator who is normal and natural counterpart. and also with some of the operators in chernobyl
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and also zaporizhzhia and other parts of the country. and yes we are aware that for example, the shifts are not being regularly exchanged as it should be the case. we have beenin should be the case. we have been in contact with the russian side as well, indicating that this is not something that should be happening. as you know, i have launched an initiative to come personally to chernobyl or to other places in order to some logicalfunction other places in order to some logical function ordering to what is going on. on the one hand in terms of safety and security of the plants, of course i want to look into other things that would be overstepping my mandate. we are looking to safety and security
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of the nuclear plants. we have indicated we would be ready to agree on a framework of a number of fundamental actions that should be observed when it comes to the safety and security of the nuclear power plants and other facilities and we are in consultation at the moment of course with ukraine first and foremost but also with the russians since they are there. i have contacted a number of world leaders who are taking this up with russia and the ukraine and we are trying to establish some sort of direct communication and possibility to come there. unlike others who might be leaving the area, i want to be there and help.— leaving the area, i want to be there and help. you want end but how likely _ there and help. you want end but how likely is _ there and help. you want end but how likely is that - there and help. you want end but how likely is that the i but how likely is that the russians were late un? i do not think that is _ russians were late un? i do not think that is impossible - russians were late un? i do not think that is impossible at i think that is impossible at all. —— will let you in? we
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have had contacts which are public or i would not be revealing them. president macron has been talking to both presidents and i know there is interest in our initiative so we're going to try and it up. how worried are you about the state of affairs right now? i am very worried. i am very worried because what we had last week especially at zaporizhzhia was a close call in something like this should never happen again. i said that we've seen what happened, luckily the situation was contained but we cannot be expecting this to be the case every time so we know what needs to be avoided.- every time so we know what needs to be avoided. that was rafael grossi, _ needs to be avoided. that was rafael grossi, the _ rafael grossi, the director—general of the iaea speaking to my earlier.
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more than 5000 people were arrested at anti—war protests across russia yesterday, according to the monitoring group 0vd—info. protests were held in more than 60 cities. videos on social media show protestors chanting "no to war" and "ukraine is not our enemy". it's thought more than 12,000 russian protesters have been detained since the conflict began. the united nations says more than 1.5 million people have now left ukraine since the russian invasion began. more than a million are now in poland. hungary and slovakia have each received over 100,000 refugees. and moldova, romania and also russia have seen more than 50,000 people cross their respective borders. i'm joined now by our correspondent nick thorpe, who is in budapest and has been watching refugees arriving at one of the main train stations.
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it hasn't been quite extraordinary thing people from these countries arrive at the train station to help these refugees settle in?- refugees settle in? that's ri . ht. refugees settle in? that's right- item _ refugees settle in? that's right. item you _ refugees settle in? that's right. item you might i refugees settle in? that's. right. item you might been standing here outside the west station here. this side, we started earlier this morning on a platform and then we were in the room behind me which is a warm room where they first arrive and out this area just outside, this is by the transport onto other places in europe and other places in hungary that have been organised or around 50% of those staying here, many hungarians offering accommodation in their own homes and otherflats, that accommodation in their own homes and other flats, that is all coordinated at that desk over there and then the people who are going to provide that accommodation come to this point to pick up the people are offered to take in. it is a
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massive effort to people. interestingly, listening to these numbers and the numbers are going up all the time, many of the people arriving here, the 40% or 50% who don't stay in the country are travelling on. one example, a family from in the south western corner of ukraine this morning telling me they crossed by ferry across they crossed by ferry across the river danube and make their way to bucharest, the capital of romania and got the train here and are now travelling on to the czech republic. another family from kew, a family i was speaking tojust now family from kew, a family i was speaking to just now who have four children and two adults, they have come from kyiv, they are now trying to get to berlin. an interesting factor in that family was the young woman's family was also with them because under one of the rows in ukraine at the moment, if you have three children or more with you, some men are
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being allowed out. three of your own children, that is. we have seen a sea of women and children fleeing. that is something that has been quite extraordinary to see these families absolutely torn apart. see these families absolutely torn a art. :, , see these families absolutely torn a art. ., , , apart. that is right. the sheer number of _ apart. that is right. the sheer number of children. _ apart. that is right. the sheer number of children. just i apart. that is right. the sheer. number of children. just behind apart. that is right. the sheer- number of children. just behind me, on the station platform are all those trains are coming in every hour or so, as the train comes in, one sees all the faces, helping them onto the platform and the children looking completely amused. handed a bowl of soup and then sometimes, as their mothers and older sisters or brothers try to sort out accommodation or travel on, then we see the
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children left alone for a while and hopefully one of the many volunteers here, many of them speaking the language, are coming over and checking that the small children can open their bowls of hot soup and so on. but yes, the women and children, this is an sea of women and children at this station and all the stations up and down this lengthy border with ukraine and to the west. we will have to leave it there, thank you forjoining us from that train station in budapest. i'm joined byjan egeland, who is the secretary general of the norwegian refugee council, which was originally founded forfor world war ii refugees in europe. you aren't out in the past few months have been mainly speaking about afghan refugees and here another conflict, a mass exodus, and already 1.5 million people forced out of
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this country and it appears every day that number is going to continue to increase. it every day that number is going to continue to increase.- to continue to increase. it is. it's a to continue to increase. it is. it's a couple _ to continue to increase. it is. it's a couple of _ to continue to increase. it is. it's a couple of hundred i it's a couple of hundred thousand people leaving the ukraine per day now and we don't really have the figure for how many people have crossed over into russia, which is also a considerable number from the east, going into russia. it is beyond belief. i was myself in ukraine last month, i saw then an exhaustive population in the eastern part of the country, where there was a one line with an exchange of fire every week for eight years. now the war has engulfed all of this country, with more then 40.5 million residents, it is in the heart of europe, it is in the heart of europe, it is something we haven't really understood the magnitude of and indeed, it is overshadowing all the other crises we are dealing
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with, from afghanistan to yemen, syria, colombia, venezuela, etc.— yemen, syria, colombia, venezuela, etc. just a few days a . o, venezuela, etc. just a few days aao, i venezuela, etc. just a few days ago. i was _ venezuela, etc. just a few days ago. i was on — venezuela, etc. just a few days ago, i was on the _ ago, i was on the poland/ukraine border, i was also at the lviv train station, the number of mothers who had to go on their own because they men have to stay, that in itself has been so extraordinary. itself has been so extraordina . ~ , , itself has been so extraordina . , �*, extraordinary. absolutely, it's the women. _ extraordinary. absolutely, it's the women, children, - extraordinary. absolutely, it's| the women, children, families with children who are fleeing. 0ne with children who are fleeing. one group that has little attention now are the elderly. i've could been to so many places, including recently afghanistan, iran and so on, but typically, 60% of the refugees would be children. in the eastern part of ukraine, there is fewjournalists reporting from there, 60% to many of these areas are
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elderly, disabled, they cannot flee. some of the people i met in these villages that are now engulfed in the fighting, some have been now taken over by the russian forces, they are there, they couldn't leave, they had no opportunity to leave. let's talk about — no opportunity to leave. let's talk about the _ no opportunity to leave. let's talk about the humanitarian l talk about the humanitarian corridors we keep hearing about over the last few days. i remember when the humanitarian corridors were created in syria, you were there trying to coordinate on the ground. just compare that to the situation now, because of course, the last three days we have been hearing about humanitarian corridors and theyjust have not been successful. irlat corridors and theyjust have not been successful. not yet, they have- — not been successful. not yet, they have. let's _ not been successful. not yet, they have. let's remember. they have. let's remember that... we seem to have some technical
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difficulties there. we have lost jan in there difficulties there. we have lostjan in there but difficulties there. we have lost jan in there but he was talking about humanitarian corridor and the exodus of people who have left this country, over1.5 people who have left this country, over 1.5 million people, the united nations is saying that, and every day, they say hundreds of thousands of people are on the move out of people are on the move out of this country. earlier, i spoke to the former us national security adviser, john bolton. i asked him how he thought the us government and the west in general has handled the conflict. i think we're suffering from a basic failure and every day this war goes on reflects that failure. you can talk about the unity of nato all you want, that's not doing ukraine any good and not teaching vladimir putin — or xijinping, while we're on the subject — the right lesson. the objective of the policy before 11 days ago was to deter russia from attacking ukraine. that failed, it failed
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because the west wasn't credible after not doing anything serious to russia when it invaded georgia in 2008, not doing anything serious when it invaded crimea the first time in 2014 and after the catastrophic us and nato withdraw from afghanistan last summer, so our threat wasn't credible and not nearly strong enough. putin's calculus was that he would simply not face debilitating sanctions and so he went ahead. that's failure, let's get that straight, let's start right there. you can talk about unity, we are united in failure and as the days go on we can applaud the heroism of ukraine's forces, which have done far etter than anybody expected and we can see the failures of russia at a strategic and operational
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level but it doesn't disguise the fact that in ukraine... but, ambassador, what could the west have done differently? you have often spoken about the fact that president trump, and you were his national security adviser, has spoken about wanting to exit nato and in many ways emboldening vladimir putin. just a few weeks ago, he said what putin had done was genius. i agree entirely with what you said, you may have noticed donald trump is not president now. what trump did was impair the development of a sound bilateral us/ukrainian relationship and impeded our ability to provide, back in those days, the kind of assistance that might have borne fruit in subsequent times. but donald trump has not been president in the past year so let's talk about president biden. he did not do what was
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necessary to deter putin. if anything, right now, putin is deterring the west. you can celebrate nato unity but right now, the sanctions being imposed on russia will not halt this military activity. the president took american military force completely off the table in early december and didn't get anything for it. if you believe the objective was to stop the war, we failed. wasn't that the objective? or am i wrong? well, should nato employ a no—fly zone? president zelensky continues to ask for it and in fact, he said, if the west doesn't enforce a no—fly zone, the west will have the blood of innocent ukrainians on its hands. the president of the united states is flatly ruled it out. the prime minister of great britain has flatly ruled it out. the secretary general of nato
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has flatly ruled it out. what do you want me to do? if you were national security adviser, would you have advised differently? yes, indeed. you're asking me what to do now in move 25 of the chess game when, in my view, about 20 of the past moves have been erroneous. it is irrelevant to create unity if the unity isn't achieving anything and the fact that we didn't deter putin earlier and indeed the failures of the russian military, i think, have caused him to double down. he now has to try to show military victory. i don't think there's a negotiated way to end this, so i think the united nato will jsut sit by and watch ukraine get ground into the dust. we are supplying intelligence now, if putin wanted a pretext to say that nato was committing
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aggression against russia in this conflict or that nato was party to the conflict, he's already got it. people are trying to feel good about this, i wonder how long that will last. you've met him, just based on the calculus and the way he has led foreign policy in places like syria as well, what is the end game here, in your opinion? i know are a lot of theories and speculation going around that putin has a screw loose now and i'm not a shrink, i don't do that sort of analysis. maybe he does, i don't know. i think he's a cold, hard, calculating mind and right now, he's partly quite irritated at the performance of the russian military but i don't think that will make him back away. i think he is a man who understands force.
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we didn't deter him before the invasion, we're not deterring him now and the leaders of the alliance have said we're not going to use force, so what does that leave us? you've got to get through — and i am not speaking about you personally, of course, but in the media generally and in elite circles in the west, we have to get past the euphoria that seems to have engulfed us. when we watch what's actually happening on the ground, what's to be happy about? should we be looking to china, then? the eu foreign policy chief said that if anyone can work out and mediate a deal here, it's china. that statement, i saw that, that statement confirms what winston churchill once called the confirmed unteachability of mankind. bringing china into mediate this or to try and resolve it is like figuring out how to enhance china's power in europe. i don't see the logic to that at all. russian and ukrainian foreign
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ministers are scheduled to meet today in turkey, that's not a lot better but certainly better than china. you also said that had donald trump been re—elected in 2020 that he would potentially have pulled out of nato. how do you think, then, things would have panned out now? you're saying unity seems to be not be making much difference? i think if trump had won things would be worse now, the russians might have captured kyiv almost six months ago. ambassadorjohn bolton, the former security adviser of the united states to donald trump. the price of oil has risen to its highest level in 14 years as the us and europe discuss banning imports of russian oil. there are also warnings about food prices — the head of one of the world's largest fertiliser companies has told the bbc the war is threatening globalfood supplies.
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our business correspondent theo leggett has more. as russian weapons pound ukrainian cities, western nations have been trying to cripple russia's economy through sanctions. they're taking effect. the currency has crumbled and western businesses have moved out. those consequences, the severity of the economic sanctions and other measures that have been taken, are well beyond what i think many people anticipated and are certainly unprecedented. and they're having a dramatic impact already. we see the rouble going through the floor. we see russia's credit rating come basically to zero, to junk status, as we would call it. we see the stock market shut down, we have seen an exodus of basically every leading company from russia. those things are happening, they're happening in real time. but there's a problem, russia is still making hundreds of millions of pounds every day from exports of oil and gas.
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now the usa is talking to its european allies about banning imports of russian oil and, as a result, prices on global markets are shooting up. this is what's been happening. if you look here, a couple of weeks ago, before the conflict in ukraine began, the price of oil is around $90 a barrel. today, it went above $130 a barrel, that's a huge increase in a very short time. and we're seeing the same thing on the gas markets. a couple of weeks ago, the price of wholesale gas in the uk was about 200p a therm. today, it went up to nearly 800p a therm, that's a massive increase. and high energy prices really matter, the cost of petrol and diesel is already at record level but that may just be the start. if we're talking about here in the uk, it has consequences for household energy bills, for your gas, it has consequences for the electricity we generate, a lot of which comes from gas, and it has consequences for heavy industry, which makes,
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again, a significant use of natural gas for high—temperature processing. so, it really does ripple through multiple sectors of the uk. but energy isn't the only problem — russia and ukraine are major wheat exporters. now, the supplies are cut off, driving up food prices. and russia is also a key supplier of fertiliser products. without them, food production elsewhere will fall and people within the industry say that would be a catastrophe for the world's poor. those are hardest hit by climate, by covid and now this comes on top of it. it is a catastrophe on top of a catastrophe. for western nations, sanctions are the best tools available for putting pressure on russia without taking military action. but their effect certainly don't come for free and it's the poor who are likely to pay the highest price. among the 1.5 million people who've fled ukraine since the russian invasion are a family who had been separated.
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rita miles and herfour children left the north of ukraine for romania, where they were reunited with her partner andy, who travelled there from england. sima kotecha went to meet them. a family that was separated by war. rita and the children were in the north of ukraine. andy was in the south of england. several days of intense bombardment meant rita and the family hunkering down in their basement. we have food in here... but, after days of planning their escape, it was time. were there any moments when you thought this could end in the worst case scenario? i think it was probably from the second night. because on the second night, we again woke up from this horrible noises. and that was scary. they ploughed through cold weather and heavy traffic and made it across the border
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to moldova. walking across the bridge. we are not in ukraine any more. the heartbeat was faster and faster and i couldn't believe actually that we managed to do all this way without. .. ..actually some big trouble from soldiers, or from anybody else. when do you think you will see your mum again? i even... ..it�*s very difficult to answer this question, but when i was hugging her my and brothers, isaid, "i'm not going to say goodbye, i'm going to be back very soon and be annoying as much as possible!" i really hope it can finish quite soon. it can't be like this. it's not right. and then across another border. the family reunited in romania.
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a moment they envisaged through the dark times. this is really quite the moment, the family has been separated for days now and, after a lot of worry, a lot of panic, a lot of anxiety, they have finally come together. now a new life awaits in hampshire, away from the war, but memories still linger on. let's bring you up—to—date on the continuing diplomatic efforts under way. a third round of talks between ukrainian and russian delegations have been conducted in belarus. presidentjoe biden is due to hold a video conference with borisjohnson. are 0micron and 0laf scholz spoke this afternoon as
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pressure continues to bring an end to this fighting. elsewhere, the turkish foreign minister has said that russian and ukrainian foreign ministers will meet in turkey on friday. contact between the two cites are so far come to nothing with russia singer will only stop the invasion if ukraine meets all its demands. let's show these live pictures now from 10 downing street, where uk prime minister borisjohnson will be holding a news conference with the canadian prime minister justin trudeau and the dutch prime minister mark rutte. as it is that press conference begins, we will be bringing that to you live. as we have said, the diplomacy continues, as does the fighting. and in the midst of all the chaos for millions of people in ukraine, two people on the front line have decided they will not let a good way to get in the way of their own wedding plans.
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meet this bride and groom, defenders of ukraine. address, no tuxedo but still there were flowers, a and confetti. the ceremony taking place at a checkpoint in kyiv. if they have been together for 20 years and never saw any reason to tie the knot but a military invasion does tend to focus the mind. translation: ~ . ., translation: we decided to get married because _ translation: we decided to get married because we _ translation: we decided to get married because we live - translation: we decided to get married because we live in - married because we live in challenging times and you never know what he's going to happen to you tomorrow. we know what he's going to happen to you tomorrow.— to you tomorrow. we must live in a moment- _ to you tomorrow. we must live in a moment. many— to you tomorrow. we must live in a moment. many people i to you tomorrow. we must live | in a moment. many people talk about— in a moment. many people talk about it — in a moment. many people talk about it butjust a in a moment. many people talk about it but just a few people live according to this rule. to remain— live according to this rule. to remain sane, we need to live in the moments. remain sane, we need to live in the moments-— remain sane, we need to live in the moments. both are members of ukraine's— the moments. both are members of ukraine's territorial _ of ukraine's territorial defence unit at this service was carried out by a military chaplain. there was champagne, a wedding breakfast and even a cake. one imagines not much chance of a honeymoon and an
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uncertain fate for them and their country. but despite it all, a day they will never forget. some celebration in these grim times here in this country. borisjohnson is just times here in this country. boris johnson is just about to meet the prime minister of canada and the netherlands in a 10 downing street as the west prepares to agree to further sanctions on russia. meanwhile, a law allowing more action to be taken against companies and individuals with links to vladimir putin sets to be passed by the house of commons today. we'll bring you that live event since it started but in the meantime, our political correspondent ben wright has this look at the uk's latest response to the conflict. western forces were not sent their own forces to fight for ukraine but had authorised severe sanctions on russia. borisjohnson said further steps could be taken to try to
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clobber russia's economy and put pressure on vladimir putin. i think we've got to recognise that we need to do more and sanctions and there is more we can do and more that we should do. so, on swift, there is more of the world can do. and banking, there is more the world can do. and i think there is more to be done on sanctioning individuals, so that's why we are bringing in measures out of economic crime bill today and targeting individuals. 50 bill today and targeting individuals.— individuals. so far, consternation i individuals. so far, i consternation sanctions individuals. so far, - consternation sanctions and military support for ukrainian fighters has not reversed russia's invasion but governments everywhere are trying to force the kremlin to stop. here, that is involved clamping down on people close to president putin reviews the uk and the city of london to hide their wealth. today, new laws being rushed through parliament that aims to reveal the names of people behind foreign—owned companies and
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property. mps are expected to pass the economic crime bill in a single day as the government scrambles to respond to the russian invasion. labour has said ministers should go faster on sanctions as the fallout from the crisis in ukraine forces a rethink on other policies too. more than a million ukrainians have already fled their country since russia attacked. europe's fastest growing refugee crisis since world war ii. the government has made it easierfor ukrainians with thesis and family links here to come to the uk. there's sponsorship scheme too. now home office sources are set a third route for ukrainian refugees is being considered. to for ukrainian refugees is being considered.— considered. to keep changing the rules. _ considered. to keep changing the rules, the _ considered. to keep changing the rules, the stories - considered. to keep changing the rules, the stories of i the rules, the stories of what's happening underground contradict what the home office is saying. need to sort this out, a simple route to century. we can all see the images of desperate people fleeing for their lives, we have got to play our part. fist
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their lives, we have got to play our part-— their lives, we have got to play our part. at this crisis has brought _ play our part. at this crisis has brought western i play our part. at this crisis i has brought western countries together but as people flee the chaos in ukraine, borisjohnson has warned of darker days ahead. we're waiting for that press conference with the british prime minister, his canadian and dutch counterparts to begin at 10 downing street. we will be going to that as soon as it arrives, so don't go anywhere, we will have more updates on the diplomacy as well as the ongoing conflict here in ukraine. in the meantime, you can get in touch with me on twitter but stay with us. a quiet start to our new working week but it will not last. it was also a cold start this morning, —7 in glasgow, a hard frost widely in scotland but accompanied by beautiful blue sky and sunshine. there was a little more cloud across england and wales
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and one or two nuisance, fairly light showers, they are drifting steadily north and west as we go through the day but the emphasis is with that dry and settled story, some breaks in the cloud giving sunny spells, the best sunshine into scotland. in the afternoon the wind will strengthen along west—facing coasts down through the irish sea and with the wind direction coming from a cooler south—easterly source those temperatures will struggle for the time of year, highs between seven and nine celsius. tonight winds will strengthen out to the west, more cloud tending to develop, cloud across england and wales continues to push north and that means the coldest weather as we go through the night is likely to be through central and eastern areas and that is where we are likely to see a frost first thing on tuesday, but again lots of sunshine to start the day, a beautiful start. as we go into the afternoon
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cloud will thicken and the winds will strengthen further with rain, some of it have heavy pushing into northern ireland and western fringes by the end of the afternoon. by the end of it we might see temperatures returning back to double figures. as we move out of tuesday into wednesday that front clears away but will be replaced by another and we will continue to see winds strengthen further so gale force gusts are likely but the good news is the wind direction changing to more of a south—westerly, a milder source so temperatures will return to where they should be for the time of year but gale force gusts along west facing coast of scotland, some of the rain heavy as it continues to drift east but from east yorkshire down to east anglia and the south—east it should stay dry with some sunshine and highs around 13. that front has to clear its way through wednesday and into the early hours of thursday, it will allow
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for a dry day on thursday before more wet and windy weather returns by friday. take care. why should this is bbc news — welcome if you're watching here voted to refer putin to impose my actions to the criminal court. this is the largest such action the court
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has ever seen and we will allow the chief prosit to to open an investigation to ensure putin cannot commit these crimes with impunity. as ukraine resist russia's onslaught with courage and tenacity, the international community must aid their struggle in every way that we can. we will only succeed if the whole international community moves together with the same spirit of unity that we've seen in recent days. justin and mark and i have been discussing that today and later this afternoon, i will be speaking to the leaders of the united sates, france and germany further to coordinate our actions. to a these efforts, today, the uk isjoining our dutch and canadian friends to mobilise more practical and sustained support for ukraine. our
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ukraine support will coordinate the efforts of the international community to provide long—term and unwavering assistance now and in the future and we will be encouraging more countries to join us. this is the moment for ukraine's friends of humanitarian, economic and defensive military is what to ensure that vladimir putin fails. million of uk aid for ukraine, $100 million of which will be provided directly to the ukrainian government. this brings the total uk subordinates during this crisis to around 412 in pounds. after 12 days, it is already clear that putin has made a miscalculation. he has underestimated the ukrainians, their heroic resistance, he has
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underestimated their leader and he has underestimated the unity of the west. we will continue as colleagues to do everything we can to strengthen that unity in the days ahead to ensure that putin fails in his catastrophic invasion of ukraine. thank you very much. thank you for hosting. it is great — thank you for hosting. it is great to— thank you for hosting. it is great to be here. it has been a very— great to be here. it has been a very productive day of my first trip to — very productive day of my first trip to europe, i will focus on solidarity— trip to europe, i will focus on solidarity with partners and allies. _ solidarity with partners and allies, stronger economic ties, jobs _ allies, stronger economic ties, jobs and — allies, stronger economic ties, jobs and growth and also obviously for standing up for democracy against authoritarianism and standing with— authoritarianism and standing with ukraine every step of the way — with ukraine every step of the way this _ with ukraine every step of the way. this morning i was able to have _ way. this morning i was able to have an — way. this morning i was able to have an audience with queen elspeth— have an audience with queen elspeth the second and we congratulated her obviously on the platinum jubilee.
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congratulated her obviously on the platinumjubilee. —— congratulated her obviously on the platinumjubilee. -- queen elizabeth— the platinumjubilee. -- queen elizabeth ii. we talked about the situation we are facing and drew— the situation we are facing and drew on— the situation we are facing and drew on her long experience, having — drew on her long experience, having seen much of it in the past — having seen much of it in the past decades. when we met earlier— past decades. when we met earlier with boris we discussed stronger— earlier with boris we discussed stronger security ties and continuing to defend our shared values — continuing to defend our shared values. increasing trade and increasing jobs and creating a sustainable future. we talked about — sustainable future. we talked about the intense importance of nato _ about the intense importance of nato continuing to work together to fight disinformation in protecting freedom of the press, continuing to work strongly with— continuing to work strongly with her— continuing to work strongly with her friends in the european union. but of course throughout, the focus is on the people — throughout, the focus is on the people of— throughout, the focus is on the people of ukraine and our solidarity with ukraine, pushing back against illegal russian invasion of ukraine and standing — russian invasion of ukraine and standing up for democracies around _ standing up for democracies around the world.
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translation: canada, uk and the netherlands and are close defence partners are working together to mobilise the international support ukraine and will continue to support the values which underpin the democracy and ensure that putin is held accountable. canada is announcing new and —— sanctions on ten individuals involved in this unjustified invasion, this includes former government officials, oligarchs and supporters of the russian government. the list has been provided byjailed opposition leader navalny. this is of
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course in addition to all the other sanctions we have announced, including massive tariffs on russian and belarusian infrastructure. the bela rusian infrastructure. the work belarusian infrastructure. the work we are doing together is punishing putin and his enablers, particularly by crippling their financial systems and sanctioning the central bank. so far in aid to ukraine canada has sent about $1 billion of financial and humanitarian aid but we have more to do. he speaks french. today we continue to stand with ukraine united in the struggle. we are here today as close transatlantic allies. through our history, our countries have always— our history, our countries have always been closely linked and in times— always been closely linked and in times of crisis, in times of
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war, _ in times of crisis, in times of war. we _ in times of crisis, in times of war, we stand shoulder to shoulder. so today as war environments once again cast a dark— environments once again cast a dark shadow over europe, we are working _ dark shadow over europe, we are working together for peace and security— working together for peace and security of the european continent and i would like to thank— continent and i would like to thank prime ministerjohnson thank prime minister johnson for thank prime ministerjohnson for bringing us together today at this— for bringing us together today at this time. because it has been — at this time. because it has been another weekend of horrific violence in ukraine. in horrific violence in ukraine. in recent _ horrific violence in ukraine. in recent days it has been confirmed that putin remains unmoved. we are dealing with an aggressor— unmoved. we are dealing with an aggressor who keeps crossing new boundaries. civilians and civilian — new boundaries. civilians and civilian targets, and even a nuclear— civilian targets, and even a nuclear power plant have been attacked — nuclear power plant have been attacked recently. and we know now that — attacked recently. and we know now that putin has used cluster bombs — now that putin has used cluster bombs. we can only guess what he plans— bombs. we can only guess what he plans to do next. but one thing — he plans to do next. but one thing is _ he plans to do next. but one thing is certain, russia's aggression. an dinner meeting
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this morning we again stressed the importance of unity. —— at our— the importance of unity. —— at our meeting. to all kenyans we see this, — our meeting. to all kenyans we see this, your courage and your resistance — see this, your courage and your resistance exemplified by president zelensky deserves our utmost— president zelensky deserves our utmost respect. —— to all ukrainians. the resolve is our resolve and we will continue to stand _ resolve and we will continue to stand by— resolve and we will continue to stand by you. the past few days aid and — stand by you. the past few days aid and military supplies have been — aid and military supplies have been sent to the uk —— to ukraine— been sent to the uk —— to ukraine from the netherlands as well as— ukraine from the netherlands as well as the uk and canada and well as the uk and canada and we will— well as the uk and canada and we will continue to do everything we can to help. the nether— everything we can to help. the nether and is prepared to consider all possible sanctions that can — consider all possible sanctions that can help put pressure on russia — that can help put pressure on russia -- _ that can help put pressure on russia. —— the netherlands. obviously— russia. —— the netherlands. obviously there is a lot of debate _ obviously there is a lot of debate going on about energy sanctions. we should not make a mistake. — sanctions. we should not make a mistake, we have to ensure they do not _ mistake, we have to ensure they do not generate unmanageable risks— do not generate unmanageable risks to — do not generate unmanageable risks to energy supplies to
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european countries and beyond, including — european countries and beyond, including ukraine, as stated today— including ukraine, as stated today by— including ukraine, as stated today by the german chancellor. so that _ today by the german chancellor. so that means we still need european companies to continue their— european companies to continue their work— european companies to continue their work towards russia and that this — their work towards russia and that this is important. what they— that this is important. what they need to do is make sure we reduce _ they need to do is make sure we reduce dramatically our energy dependency on russia. finally i am pleased that there is a broad _ am pleased that there is a broad international agreement on the — broad international agreement on the fact that possible war crimes— on the fact that possible war crimes must be investigated. we must _ crimes must be investigated. we must document everything that points— must document everything that points towards human right violations now so that when the time _ violations now so that when the time comes we can prosecute and try those — time comes we can prosecute and try those responsible. peace and justice must win out over violence _ and justice must win out over violence and injustice.- violence and in'ustice. thank ou violence and in'ustice. thank youvery_ violence and injustice. thank you very much- _ violence and injustice. thank you very much. this - violence and injustice. thank you very much. this goes i violence and injustice. thank you very much. this goes to | you very much. this goes to media. : , :,
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you very much. this goes to media. ., i. ., ., ., media. can you elaborate more about energy — media. can you elaborate more about energy discussions, i media. can you elaborate more | about energy discussions, where they are going? the us secretary of state said there were active discussions for an oil ban from europe, this is like you do not feel that is the case, prime minister, and your views are characterised in the newspaper this morning that the newspaper this morning that the west should have out climate change pass, should rebus through the gas for a while in order to insulated europe from russia whether it is going to supply —— time supplies of oral rio cut down on taking them? and also whether the numbers are still going up a little for refugees, isn't that embarrassing? before i brin: isn't that embarrassing? before i bring in colleagues _ isn't that embarrassing? before i bring in colleagues on - isn't that embarrassing? before i bring in colleagues on the i i bring in colleagues on the hydrocarbons issue, there are
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different dependencies in different dependencies in different countries. we have to be mindful of that and can simply close down use of oil and gas overnight, even from russia. that is obviously not something that every country around the world can do. we can go faster in the uk, other countries can go fast but there are different dependencies. we need to make sure we are all moving in the same direction, we all share the same assumptions and that we accelerate that move. that is what, you heard that from leaders around the world. actually i see no inconsistency in moving away from dependency on russian hydrocarbons and moving away from hydrocarbons altogether. you can see how this will encourage the world to go for green solutions
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wherever possible. but clearly there is going to be a transitional period, we are going to have to look at supplies and look at substitute supplies and look at substitute supplies from elsewhere and we will have to do together across the entire coalition of countries that is now condemning putin's actions. on your point about the uk's reception of refugees, we are absolutely determined to be as generous as we possibly can and as i speak to you all, we are processing thousands of applications. clearly as the situation got worse, we are going to have to make sure we do even more and the roots that we have, the family reunion unit offers the prospect of hundreds of thousands coming here, the humanitarian sponsorship route is also uncapped and we are putting
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people out into all the surrounding countries, into poland, bulgaria and romania as well as into france to make sure we receive people and we help people to come. do not forget, the uk since 2015 has been the most generous... we have been the most generous of all european countries in settling vulnerable people. we took a large number of afghan refugees as you remember, 104,000 of chinese applied and we will be very generous as the people of this country would expect and would want for people fleeing the war in ukraine. i know that will be the feeling of the british people. on the hydrocarbons. the painful reality is we are very much dependent on russian gas and oil. if we forced
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european companies to quit doing business with russia, that will have enormous ramifications around europe, including ukraine and also around the world so we dramatically reduce our dependency on gas and oil from russia and that will take time. the statement earlier today by the chancellor of germany was in the same direction. the painful reality is there and it means we have to be very clear and make no mistakes here, this is a step—by—step approach and it means we have to make sure the energy supplies and is part of the world again including ukraine but also the rest of the world are not hindered. and that will take time. what is clear that many countries realised continued reliance on russian oil and gas is a problem for the future. what we see with the solidarity and
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unity, notjust of countries in democracies across europe and north america but around the world, looking at trying to secure more reliable sources of energy, particularly green sources, what we are seeing is a shift in europe and elsewhere to understand that russia is no longer a reliable partner. vladimir putin has broken the trust, it is too bad we are dependent on russian oil but we will not make that mistake again and they are moving away from that. canada imports negligible amounts of russian oil and petrochemicals and we have banned that but we are self sustainable in oil and energy and we will be able to support the world as it moves beyond russian fuels. thank you so much.
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he speaks in french. what canada do with regard to his military spending right now? —— will canada do. he speaks french.
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as you know, a number of years ago we put forward the defence plan that included increasing our defence spending by 70% but we also recognise that the context is changing rapidly around the world and we need to make sure that the people serving in the canadian forces have all the equipment necessary to stand strongly as we always have as members of nato, we will continue to look at what more we can do. thank ou ve at what more we can do. thank you very much. _ at what more we can do. thank you very much, justin. - at what more we can do. thank you very much, justin. i - at what more we can do. thank you very much, justin. i have i at what more we can do. thank you very much, justin. i have a | you very much, justin. i have a question _ you very much, justin. i have a question for — you very much, justin. i have a question for prime _ you very much, justin. i have a question for prime minister- question for prime minister johnson _ question for prime minister johnson. last week there was a journalist — johnson. last week there was a journalist in poland that asked you why— journalist in poland that asked you why do ukrainians have to leave — you why do ukrainians have to leave their homes, why are their— leave their homes, why are their children being attacked in this— their children being attacked in this war while putin's friends _ in this war while putin's friends and inner circle are still— friends and inner circle are still living in london's most beautiful houses and taking their— beautiful houses and taking their children to private
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schools? i wondered their children to private schools? iwondered if their children to private schools? i wondered if anything has changed since i question was — has changed since i question was asked. has changed since i question was asked-— has changed since i question was asked. . ~' , ., , . was asked. thank you very much. yes, it certainly _ was asked. thank you very much. yes, it certainly has. _ was asked. thank you very much. yes, it certainly has. if— was asked. thank you very much. yes, it certainly has. if you - yes, it certainly has. if you look at what we have done just today with the economic crime bill. we are taking steps to ensure that we witness either available anonymity that obscures the ownership of the properties that you describe, they can no longer use bogus company to conceal your ownership of a property. we are making sure have new powers to restrain and take people's assets and we think that will have, the whole package of measures we are putting forward today, will have royal assent in just a few days' time so we are moving very fast on that. but i hope our viewers and jewel all recognise that is in addition to the huge work that
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the uk has done together with mark and with justin the uk has done together with mark and withjustin on the big package of international sanctions. if you look at what we did together on swift and the russian central—bank, it has already had a profound effect. i am has already had a profound effect. iam right has already had a profound effect. i am right in saying that even today the russian stock market is not opening. it is not a testimonial i necessarily seek but i observe that the russian foreign minister said the uk had not been entirely helpful in this regard towards their own economic situation. you will have seen what they said. we will continue to work with colleagues to ensure that we tighten device around president putin's regime. what is happening now is that the
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president of russia is doubling down, he has decided he will continue with an all—out onslaught on centres of habitation in a way that we think is utterly repugnant. it is clear we are going to have to do more and as friends and partners that is what we are going to do. let us go to the daily mail. going to do. let us go to the daily mail-— going to do. let us go to the daily mail. thank you. you're sanctions _ daily mail. thank you. you're sanctions are _ daily mail. thank you. you're sanctions are squeezing - daily mail. thank you. you're i sanctions are squeezing russia but are also having an impact here, we are seeing gas prices treble. what tuc that we desperately want to help but i worried about that. will there be more help on the way? mr trudeau, is canada ready to increase its oil and gas output to help others wean themselves off russian gas. how is the
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queen, is she fighting fit? these are really important questions. everybody has seen what has happened to the price of oil. this matters which is why what mark had to see earlier on about the need to proceed in steps is correct. we must do everything we can to protect consumers and the public. there will be impacts but i think it is the right thing to do. it is completely the right thing to do, to move away from russian hydrocarbons and dependence on them but we have to do it step—by—step. so far the success of the west has beenin far the success of the west has been in the unity that we have shown. we are all increasingly united, we have to move away from russian hydrocarbons and we have to do it together and make sure we have substitutes
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supply and that is what we are working on as well. we will do everything that we can to ensure that we have substitutes supplies. one of the things we are looking at is the possibility of using more of our own hydrocarbons. you will have heard already what the business secretary said about licences for uk own domestic production. that does not mean we are in anyway abandoning our commitment to reducing co2, you can do that but we have to reflect the reality that there is a crunch on at the moment. we need to intensify herself relies. as a transition with more hydrocarbons but we also need to go for more nuclear and
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much more use of renewable energy. i will be setting out an energy strategy for the country in the days ahead so people have a sense of how we will meet the needs of people over the short, medium and long—term. sorry, justin. over the short, medium and long-term. sorry, justin. what we learnt _ long-term. sorry, justin. what we learnt over _ long-term. sorry, justin. what we learnt over the _ long-term. sorry, justin. what we learnt over the past - long-term. sorry, justin. what we learnt over the past couple | we learnt over the past couple of years is that global challenges have impacts domestically. the covid crisis was a perfect example, disrupting supply chains that lead to significant inflation challenges around the world. we made a promise to canadians top and that is what we have been focused on. the challenge right now of russia's illegal invasion of ukraine is having ripple effects around the world, notjust in energy prices for canadians and people in europe but for people globally. description of the un
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food programme, disruptions that are happening which we will have to adjust to and we will have to adjust to and we will have to make sure we are therefore each other. that is therefore each other. that is the focus we have as partners but it is why we have all been reaching out around the world to talk with fellow leaders about the challenges we are facing, the challenges that people are facing because what we are learning about russia's unreliability a trading partner needs to be remembered but we also have to work together to provide substitutes and alternatives. of course we need to move forward, decarbonising our economies and doing that in a way that supports people through that process and we will continue doing that. in regards to her majesty, i have the particular privilege of knowing her majesty for about 45 years no and i can tell you in my conversation with her this morning she was insightful
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and perspicacious as ever, very interested in what was going on, as the ulcers of questions about canada. we had a very useful for about canada. we had a very usefulfor me about canada. we had a very useful for me anyway. —— all sorts of questions. usefulfor me anyway. -- all sorts of questions.— usefulfor me anyway. -- all sorts of questions. thank you, justin. sorts of questions. thank you, justin- the _ sorts of questions. thank you, justin. the global _ sorts of questions. thank you, justin. the global mail. - sorts of questions. thank you, justin. the global mail. good l justin. the global mail. good afternoon. — justin. the global mail. good afternoon, thank _ justin. the global mail. good afternoon, thank you. - justin. the global mail. good afternoon, thank you. a - justin. the global mail. good afternoon, thank you. a few | afternoon, thank you. a few questions _ afternoon, thank you. a few questions for all three you're talking — questions for all three you're talking about the humanitarian coalition, — talking about the humanitarian coalition, what exactly is that i what — coalition, what exactly is that i what good will it do for the people — i what good will it do for the people of ukraine? regarding sanctions, prime minister trudeau _ sanctions, prime minister trudeau is announcing more today— trudeau is announcing more today but— trudeau is announcing more today but we have not seen it change — today but we have not seen it change the behaviour of russia in ukraine _ change the behaviour of russia in ukraine so is it enough being— in ukraine so is it enough being done on that and prime minister— being done on that and prime ministerjohnson, you spent minister johnson, you spent more — ministerjohnson, you spent more than the 2% target on nato and canada spent less, is that acceptable for you? do and canada spent less, is that acceptable for you?— and canada spent less, is that acceptable for you? do you want to have a go _
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acceptable for you? do you want to have a go at _ acceptable for you? do you want to have a go at that _ acceptable for you? do you want to have a go at that first. - acceptable for you? do you want to have a go at that first. go - to have a go at that first. go on. thank you very much. yes, it's true we have spent about 2.4%. i think that canada is a fantastic ally and partner and i'm not going to make any comment on canada's approach except to say i do think the world is clearly changing and i think what we cannot do poster you invasion of ukraine is assume we can go back to a kind of status quo, a new normalisation, in the way we did after the invasion of crimea in 2014 or the seizure of crimea and the area around it. we have to recognise things have changed and we need to focus on collective security. that is kind of increasingly understood by everybody. on yourfirst
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understood by everybody. on your first point about the humanitarian coalition, the whole world is coming together to try and help avert a total catastrophe in ukraine. it is already very, very grim indeed, we are doing everything in our power to prevent it from getting worse. one of the most important things is to look after people fleeing the war zone. all of us are different ways are doing a lot. you have heard the sums we announce today to help the immediate vicinity and what we are doing. i know that myself and the countries with me here today have a fantastic record on humanitarian help. fin humanitarian help. on defence sendin: humanitarian help. on defence spending we — humanitarian help. on defence spending we decided _ humanitarian help. on defence spending we decided in - humanitarian help. on defencej spending we decided in january spending we decided injanuary to ramp — spending we decided injanuary to ramp up defence spending by billions — to ramp up defence spending by billions of euros and that will bring — billions of euros and that will bring us _ billions of euros and that will bring us close to the 2% and we will probably need to do more
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particularly in the light of what _ particularly in the light of what happened in the last two weeks — what happened in the last two weeks. we will spend a lot of extra — weeks. we will spend a lot of extra money on defence. regarding the coalition, it is crucial— regarding the coalition, it is crucial this is not only nato and — crucial this is not only nato and the _ crucial this is not only nato and the european union but it is the — and the european union but it is the whole world coming together to defend base values and the — together to defend base values and the international legal order— and the international legal order as has been established after— order as has been established after the _ order as has been established after the second world war which — after the second world war which is _ after the second world war which is now being challenged lry which is now being challenged by one — which is now being challenged by one country invading the second _ by one country invading the second biggest european nation, the ukraine, being invaded by the ukraine, being invaded by the biggest european nation. this— the biggest european nation. this is— the biggest european nation. this is a _ the biggest european nation. this is a huge event and has a huge — this is a huge event and has a huge impact on the whole and we have _ huge impact on the whole and we have to _ huge impact on the whole and we have to bring together africa, latin — have to bring together africa, latin america, asia, everyone who— latin america, asia, everyone who is— latin america, asia, everyone who is part _ latin america, asia, everyone who is part of humanity will be part of the humanitarian coalition. i agree with you that— coalition. i agree with you that sanction so far have not had — that sanction so far have not had the _ that sanction so far have not had the desired effect. we are not against the russians but
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against _ not against the russians but against the russian leadership but they— against the russian leadership but they will have effect unavoidably on russians, we cannot— unavoidably on russians, we cannot prevent this. in the longer— cannot prevent this. in the longer term it will have impact on russia _ longer term it will have impact on russia and also on how they will move — on russia and also on how they will move forward batshuayi wright, _ will move forward batshuayi wright, in the short—term it has — wright, in the short—term it has not _ wright, in the short—term it has not had the results at the stop— has not had the results at the stop the — has not had the results at the stop the invasion. —— but you are _ stop the invasion. —— but you are right _ stop the invasion. -- but you are right-— stop the invasion. -- but you are right. that is why we have resolved being _ are right. that is why we have resolved being there - are right. that is why we have resolved being there for - are right. that is why we have resolved being there for the l resolved being there for the long—term. the courage of the ukrainian standing up to the russian blazers has inspired and humbled us all and we need to show ourselves as determined to show ourselves as determined to push back against putin, against the kremlin as hardest we can and as effectively as we can. that's where from the beginning boris and diana others have been pushing so hard on swift and the central bank of russia and going after
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their ability to draw in their reserves. something even a week ago we did not think would be on the cards and yet seeing just how strongly democracies around the world had student responded as a surprise to putin, perhaps a bit of a surprise to all of us as well that we actually can stand and push back really hard for the principles that drive us. quite frankly the unprecedented display of support, 141 nations at the united nations supporting this resolution means that as we move forward, this is of course about ukrainians and ukraine but it is also a bit more than that. it is about standing up for the rules —based order and has lied unprecedented peace and stability and growth around the world over the past many decades and the pushback, like
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russia and putin specifically cannot overthrow the 75 plus years of peace and stability and still benefit from the economic largesse and growth that comes with that. and that firmness is notjust western democracies like us, that is something that we have heard inner conversations, all three of us, with partners around the world who do not have the same kind of ties to ukraine but are very concerned about the violation of the rule of law, the principle that suddenly might might be right again. the principle of territorial integrity, respect for sovereignty, the kind of neocolonialism vladimir putin is trying to impose on ukrainians, but is not going to fly and the strength and resolve of countries around the world to say no, this is the moment to stand for democracy
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against disinformation, misinformation propaganda. and to stay true to those values that have led to respect and prosperity around the world and that we continue to need to fight for, including in many different parts of the world whether it is afghanistan or elsewhere. he speaks french.
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thank you very much, justin. last question, please. you have all stressed _ last question, please. you have all stressed the _ last question, please. you have all stressed the importance - last question, please. you have all stressed the importance of. all stressed the importance of unity— all stressed the importance of unity in — all stressed the importance of unity in the _ all stressed the importance of unity in the western _ all stressed the importance of unity in the western response | unity in the western response to russia _ unity in the western response to russia but _ unity in the western response to russia but when _ unity in the western response to russia but when it- unity in the western response to russia but when it comes i unity in the western response i to russia but when it comes to energy— to russia but when it comes to energy sanctions, _ to russia but when it comes to energy sanctions, there - to russia but when it comes toj energy sanctions, there seems to be _ energy sanctions, there seems to be a — energy sanctions, there seems to be a big _ energy sanctions, there seems to be a big difference - energy sanctions, there seems to be a big difference between| to be a big difference between your— to be a big difference between your petition _ to be a big difference between your petition and _ to be a big difference between your petition and the - to be a big difference between your petition and the positionl your petition and the position of the — your petition and the position of the united _ your petition and the position of the united states - your petition and the position of the united states with - of the united states with secretary _ of the united states with secretary of _ of the united states with secretary of state - of the united states with secretary of state blink. of the united states with . secretary of state blink and coming _ secretary of state blink and coming out _ secretary of state blink and coming out in _ secretary of state blink and coming out in favour- secretary of state blink and
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coming out in favour of - secretary of state blink and coming out in favour of an i secretary of state blink and i coming out in favour of an oil pan— coming out in favour of an oil panand— coming out in favour of an oil pan and also _ coming out in favour of an oil pan and also saying - coming out in favour of an oil pan and also saying there - coming out in favour of an 0in pan and also saying there are advanced _ pan and also saying there are advanced discussions- pan and also saying there are advanced discussions with . advanced discussions with europeans— advanced discussions with europeans about - advanced discussions with europeans about this. - advanced discussions with i europeans about this. what advanced discussions with - europeans about this. what is the american _ europeans about this. what is the american secretary - europeans about this. what is the american secretary of - europeans about this. what is i the american secretary of state wronq _ the american secretary of state wrong to — the american secretary of state wrong to say— the american secretary of state wrong to say there _ the american secretary of state wrong to say there are - the american secretary of state | wrong to say there are advanced discussions _ wrong to say there are advanced discussions and _ wrong to say there are advanced discussions and prime _ wrong to say there are advanced discussions and prime minister. discussions and prime minister britton. — discussions and prime minister britton. can— discussions and prime minister britton, can you _ discussions and prime minister britton, can you elaborate - discussions and prime minister britton, can you elaborate on i britton, can you elaborate on what — britton, can you elaborate on what discussions _ britton, can you elaborate on what discussions you - britton, can you elaborate on what discussions you are - britton, can you elaborate on i what discussions you are having in the _ what discussions you are having in the european _ what discussions you are having in the european union - what discussions you are having in the european union context. in the european union context about— in the european union context about this? _ in the european union context about this? let— in the european union context about this?— about this? let me 'ust say cuickl about this? let me 'ust say quickly that. h about this? let me 'ust say quickly that, no, _ about this? let me 'ust say quickly that, no, i_ about this? let me just say quickly that, no, i don't - about this? let me just say i quickly that, no, i don't think antony blinken was wrong in the sense that we're all together moving a very fast and seeing something that perhaps three or four weeks ago we would never have considered is now very much on the table looks it we have to consider how we can all move as fast as possible from reliance on russian hydrocarbons and everybody is doing that, everybody is on the same journey. doing that, everybody is on the samejourney. some countries same journey. some countries will find samejourney. some countries will find it faster and easier than others but we're going to
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do it together and cross i'm going to work together making sure we have substitutes and supplies that we need. j sure we have substitutes and supplies that we need. i agree. and in that _ supplies that we need. i agree. and in that sense, _ supplies that we need. i agree. and in that sense, it _ supplies that we need. i agree. and in that sense, it is - supplies that we need. i agree. and in that sense, it is a - and in that sense, it is a step—by—step process and we have to make sure to deleverage our dependency on russian gas and oil while acknowledging that that dependency is still to a certain extent still there. and if we force companies to quit to doing business with russia in that realm, that would have enormous consequences because it would basically undermine supply chains the world over, particularly in europe, but also have an impact on ukraine itself and therefore my plea is to do this diligently and not overnight and making sure that we speed up the programmes in all of our countries to decarbonise, to green our
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economies. it makes it more important to do that.- important to do that. thank ou, important to do that. thank you. everybody. _ important to do that. thank you, everybody, thank- important to do that. thank you, everybody, thank you | important to do that. thank. you, everybody, thank you for your time. studio: that's the end of the joint press conference between the three prime ministers and the three prime ministers and the main subjects were the ukraine, a lot of spoken by all three of unity and working together and particularly the prime minister of the united kingdom think this is a moment for ukraine's friends to create a coalition of humanitarian, economic and defensive military support to ensure that putin fails. borisjohnson announced fails. boris johnson announced another fails. borisjohnson announced another £175 billion of uk aid for ukraine, bringing the total to £400 million. also talking about further sanctions, though prime minister of canada justin trudeau announcing a further ten russian citizens would have sanctions implemented onto them, and a list compiled by
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them, and a list compiled by the russian opposition leader alexei nell found. mark rutte of the netherlands talking about respect and bravery for ukrainians, also talking about war military aid and supplies being sent to ukraine by the netherlands. and we also had a lot of talk about energy supply and dependence on energy supply from european countries and that comparison by one, made by the dependence of certain european countries compared to america in the united in particular. our political correspondent ben wrightjoins me now. that sounded like a set of
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political leaders taking stock after a tiring few days. there has been sanctions put in place to put pressure on vladimir putin and all three agree there will probably be further sanctions to come. i thought one of most interesting lines from that press conference was from that press conference was from mark rutte who said that clearly the sense it had not yet had the effort to and that president putin remains on moved. he kept crossing new boundaries. and i thought this was the line that mark rutte said, we can only guess at what he does next. we can only guess that they know what is happening in ukraine currently in terms of the military action being taken, the shelling of cities, the killing of citizens, that is something they cannot do very much about because the red line the west has put down in the sand is that there will not be direct involvement by western forces involvement by western forces in this conflict stands. it wasn't even talked about at that press conference, the
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focus is on sanctions, humanitarian aid and building this coalition that they were talking about. by, this coalition that they were talking about.— talking about. a couple of questions _ talking about. a couple of questions put _ talking about. a couple of questions put to - talking about. a couple of questions put to the - talking about. a couple of. questions put to the british prime minister in particular about ukrainian refugees in the number of those refugees that have been allowed into this country compared to many other countries and why there's so little. , , ., little. yes, the uk government is under some _ little. yes, the uk government is under some pressure - little. yes, the uk government is under some pressure to - is under some pressure to whiten the number of refugees that could eventually come from ukraine it to the united kingdom. there are two roots and currently, one for ukrainians who hold visas into a family members already in the uk, there is also a sponsorship route which will enable charities and others to sponsor visas for people who want to come to the uk. nearly a million people have crossed the border into poland, this is a refugee crisis such is growing and there is a discussion about how that scheme might be expanded. borisjohnson said expanded. boris johnson said they expanded. borisjohnson said they were currently going through thousands of applications for the existing visa scheme but i think a
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strong hint there that is the situation worsens, the policy will have to change too. looking at what the three men were talking about in terms of energy supply and dependence on energy supply and dependence on energy supply, it was interesting the way that we heard from the canadian prime minister saying, we don't depend as much as countries in europe on the energy supply from the united states but there was this feeling that they were unwilling to change. to they were unwilling to change. 'r. ., they were unwilling to change. t. ., ., they were unwilling to change. to we have a suggestion from antony blinken, _ to we have a suggestion from antony blinken, the - to we have a suggestion fromj antony blinken, the secretary of state in washington, there could be a move to try and ban the oil imports from russia. mark rutte very cool on that idea and he said, echoing what borisjohnson said as well that, yes, this crisis will probably accelerate a move away from fossil fuels and clearly, within europe, which has several countries are very dependent for energy supplies on russian oil and gas, they
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want to wean themselves off that as fast as they can but mark rutte said that it is not going to be a quick process. thank you very much indeed for joining us from westminster. let's talk to our security correspondence now, you are also watching that press conference, what do you think are the key points to take from it? j are the key points to take from it? “ are the key points to take from it? 4' , , ., it? i think the focus is on humanitarian _ it? i think the focus is on humanitarian support - it? i think the focus is on | humanitarian support and it? i think the focus is on - humanitarian support and more sanctions but you get the sensor is very little these tweeters feel they can do to change the calculus behind vladimir putin's plans, that sense of him being unmoved, as the dutch prime minister said. i think that's one of the key messages and you can sense western leaders trying to calibrate, what can we do? is it about heavier sanctions and just like there is a bit of that but how far do you go on energy, which would have implications for domestic audiences as we could hear any questions being asked of boris
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johnson of. but there is pressure to do something about ukraine and so the question is, we are doing what we can in terms of humanitarian aid and more sanctions but none of that feels like it was going to change the fundamental dynamics, particularly when it comes to moscow. find dynamics, particularly when it comes to moscow.— dynamics, particularly when it comes to moscow. and did you aet a comes to moscow. and did you get a sense — comes to moscow. and did you get a sense from _ comes to moscow. and did you get a sense from that - comes to moscow. and did you get a sense from that press . get a sense from that press conference as to where the international community is willing to go from here? j willing to go from here? i think that's so question at the moment. to try and ban or restrict heavily russian oil and gas but then what of the knock—on implications for some european countries which are very dependent on it? you can see in some of the other diplomacy going on, how much military aid to data from countries go to ukraine? for instance, just the us give fighterjets to poland so poland can give some of its fighterjets to ukraine? would russia interpret that as nato becoming in the conflict? similar problems to putting on a no—fly zone. you can see that
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nato is trying to work out how far it can go, how far it can push sanctions on russia before russia somehow says, you are now engaged in the conflict with us or not i'm going to hit you back, which may be bluff and a threat but that is the kind of thing that nato is trying to work out. how far can it go to do something which is effective but without risking escalation themselves or a significant domestic fallout. and it was an interesting question from one reporter saying that all of these sanctions on iran but what difference have they made. there is very little evidence of a history that sanctions lead to a sudden change in policy, often governments, even when put under very heavy sanctions, simply retrench, blame the rest of the world or whoever is imposing the sanctions for the hardship, and it doesn't necessarily lead to an immediate change in policy, sometimes not one at all. so it's hard to know whether the sanctions will bite. i think
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that scale of economic sanctions against moscow different from anything we're seen before, particularly against the central bank, and there is a sense this will hurt there is a sense this will hurt the russian economy quite significantly. the question is then, which is vladimir putin do about that? does it then seek to de—escalate the conflict or does he look for some other move on his part to change the calculus? that's it ever will be thinking at the moment as the sanctions to begin to bite which i think they are already.- begin to bite which i think they are already. and many --eole they are already. and many people are _ they are already. and many people are wondering - they are already. and many people are wondering what | they are already. and many i people are wondering what is going on inside russia as well. it is hard to know, the bbc amongst others have to suspend reported within russia because of some of the new laws there and there has clearly been a crackdown both in the media space, and people being arrested, so it is hard to know how much information is getting through to people in russia about what's going on in ukraine and what their reaction is, who they will blame as the sanctions bite and see the economic pain such hit them.
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thank you very much. united nations says more than 1.7 million people have now left ukraine since the russian invasion began. more than a million are now in poland. hungary and slovakia have each received over 100,000 refugees and moldova, romania and also russia have seen more than 50,000 people across their prospective borders. let's talk now to one refugee who has fled mariupol with her child and is currently in moldova. thank you for taking the time to talk to us on bbc news. can you describe to me what you left behind in mariupol because we are hearing so much from there and itjust sounds horrendous. hello. i would like to describe the situation in mariupol, it's really awful. the temperature
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is about three below zero. paper loot left without electricity or food, they live in basements, in ruined buildings and there are a lot of children and newborns. people are under constant shelling and our ukrainian authorities and local authorities, including the heads of mariupol, they don't control the situation, they don't give a corridor, please, give innocent people a green corridor. today, he refused it so, why? russia gave us a green corridor. these people are not guilty in some confrontations between the leaders. you have family still—
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between the leaders. you have family still in _ between the leaders. you have family still in mariupol, - between the leaders. you have family still in mariupol, don't i family still in mariupol, don't you? family still in mariupol, don't ou? , , ., , family still in mariupol, don't ou? , , . , , ., you? yes, my mum and my brother and a lot of— you? yes, my mum and my brother and a lot of relatives, _ you? yes, my mum and my brother and a lot of relatives, they - and a lot of relatives, they are still in mariupol under schelling. i don't know whether she is alive or not because i don't have any mobile connection with her and my relatives for a week or so. it's too much. a lot of people are around in search of their relatives, some are unable to find people. it is really scary. please, give people... it must be extremely worrying for you not to know what's happening to your relatives? i still don't know if my mum is alive or dead, and i can't find her. ~ ., , alive or dead, and i can't find her. . . , ., her. we have been here and there is no _ her. we have been here and there is no electricity, -
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her. we have been here and there is no electricity, no i there is no electricity, no food and the temperatures are freezing. food and the temperatures are freezina. , �* , freezing. yes, it's freezing out a lot — freezing. yes, it's freezing out a lot of _ freezing. yes, it's freezing out a lot of people - freezing. yes, it's freezing out a lot of people just - freezing. yes, it's freezing l out a lot of people just died from cold and a chronic disease. it's like a genocide, it looks like this. people are stuck in their basements, small children and even men, our men are not allowed to cross the border because the don't want to fight. the situation in mariupol is critical, the city is dying. it is dying under our eyes and the eyes of the ukrainian authorities. the head of the city, please, help people. of the city, please, help people-— of the city, please, help --eole. ,, . people. russia has said it will 0 en u- people. russia has said it will open up your _ people. russia has said it will open up your corridors - people. russia has said it will open up your corridors for - open up your corridors for people to escape into belarus and russia, do you know anyone who would want to do that? yes. who would want to do that? yes, russia gave _ who would want to do that? yes, russia gave us — who would want to do that? yes, russia gave us a _ who would want to do that? yes, russia gave us a green _ who would want to do that? ye: russia gave us a green corridor to belorussia or russia, and it
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just a couple of hours ago, she just a couple of hours ago, she just refused to give it, i don't know why. maybe she could explain. don't know why. maybe she could exlain. ~ ., don't know why. maybe she could exlain. ~ . ,, don't know why. maybe she could exlain, . ., i, ., , don't know why. maybe she could exlain.~ ., ., ,~ explain. what you worry about most now? — explain. what you worry about most now? know _ explain. what you worry about most now? know you - explain. what you worry about most now? know you have - most now? know you have travelled with your child, i believe the?— travelled with your child, i believe the? , ., ., believe the? yes, i have moved with my child. _ believe the? yes, i have moved with my child. you _ believe the? yes, i have moved with my child. you are - believe the? yes, i have moved with my child. you are in - with my child. you are in moldova. _ with my child. you are in moldova, what _ with my child. you are in moldova, what is - with my child. you are in moldova, what is next i with my child. you are in| moldova, what is next for with my child. you are in - moldova, what is next for you? we don't know, we are waiting for the war to stop and we can come back. now we are living in a shelter that was given to us from the government of moldova and we don't know about our future. we are in the middle. what message do you have to
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international leaders right now? ~ , ., now? message? i 'ust want you can now through _ now? message? ijust want you can now through the _ now? message? ijust want you can now through the bbc- now? message? ijust want you can now through the bbc to - now? message? i just want you l can now through the bbc to some sources for information, i want to influence the situation, i want people to leave not only mariupol, perhaps kharkiv as well, the situation is similar. but mariupol, just try to vanish. it but mariupol, 'ust try to vanish. , ., ., ,, ., vanish. it is good to talk to ou, vanish. it is good to talk to you. thank— vanish. it is good to talk to you, thank you _ vanish. it is good to talk to you, thank you very - vanish. it is good to talk to you, thank you very much i vanish. it is good to talk to l you, thank you very much for talking to us under what must be extreme circumstances. poland has now taken on more refugees than any other country and that have been humbling moments of love and welcome as those fleeing the conflict in ukraine join those fleeing the conflict in ukrainejoin new those fleeing the conflict in ukraine join new communities. in particular, it's police scoter and helping refugee children by donating toys and supporting them in the classroom. this is the water
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where ukraine meets poland. on one side, a country at the wedding, and the other, there's peace. when i standing here is poland and just behind me, pass those barriers, is ukraine. this is one of the points on the border where people have been queueing up for days in cars and buses to make it out over this point and into safety in poland. and just a few minutes away is an welcome centre where many of the people arriving in poland by bus will stop first. it's safe here but it's absolutely packed with people and it's not somewhere you'd want to stay for very long. this is one of the reception points where people come just after crossing the border, often on the buses you can see over here. imagine the biggest shopping centre you know, that is a brave what this big a building used to be and inside, we can't film out to give people privacy, just rows and rows and rows of camp beds
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and rows and rows of camp beds and people sitting on them, waiting. some have know where to go, others are trying to sort out and people sitting on them, waiting. some have nowhere to go, others are trying to sort out an onward journey to safety. there are lots of worries and questions here but whatever there are ukrainian refugees are needing it, help is neverfar away in poland. as it says on the big screens outside, poland will help you. and one of the helper is a 17—year—old martyr, a school student from warsaw, she's been sleeping on campus next to refugees and working long hours. i’m next to refugees and working long hours— long hours. i'm a translator because — long hours. i'm a translator because i— long hours. i'm a translator because i know _ long hours. i'm a translator because i know four- long hours. i'm a translator - because i know four languages, polish, ukrainian, russian and english. were doing whatever we need to do in the moments. truth? need to do in the moments. why do ou need to do in the moments. why do you want _ need to do in the moments. why do you want to — need to do in the moments. why do you want to help? i _ need to do in the moments. why do you want to help? i want - need to do in the moments. why do you want to help? i want to l do you want to help? i want to help because _ do you want to help? i want to help because i _ do you want to help? i want to help because i needed - do you want to help? i want to help because i needed to - do you want to help? i want to | help because i needed to help. my help because i needed to help. my family all over ukraine and my friends, i'm obligated to do something. my friends, i'm obligated to do something-— something. this school has turned into _ something. this school has turned into a _ something. this school has turned into a place - something. this school has turned into a place for- turned into a place for
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donations. here are some that have already been chopped off, a teddy bear, nappies and upstairs, the children are busy sorting things like clothes and toys and all sorts of useful things that people coming here might need. white you want to help? translation: i help? translation: , , , translation: i help because these things _ translation: i help because these things are _ translation: i help because these things are needed - translation: i help because these things are needed for l these things are needed for children from ukraine. there is a war there, it makes me sad. if this had happened to us, we wouldn't — if this had happened to us, we wouldn't be very happy, that is why we — wouldn't be very happy, that is why we help, so that these children— why we help, so that these children won't be sad. and whether— children won't be sad. and whether children - children won't be sad. and whether children will - children won't be sad. fific whether children will show me what they had collected, something unexpected happens — teacher ran over to tell us about nine—year—olds boy, his family escaped from the city of the fifth place on the day that russia invaded ukraine. if they have now settled on a house nearby with their cat and he even started school here on wednesday. he is a ready made friends with this boy who speaks ukrainian and translates for him. tell me about starting
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school here in krakow, watches have been like?— school here in krakow, watches have been like? transition back i have a good — have been like? transition back i have a good teacher _ have been like? transition back i have a good teacher and - have been like? transition back i have a good teacher and good | i have a good teacher and good friends and am looking forward to lessons. ifeel good here in my school in live earth. but! my school in live earth. and ou are my school in live earth. and you are translating, - my school in live earth. and you are translating, you - my school in live earth. and you are translating, you have obviously formed a friendship, what a site been like? translation: what a site been like? tuna/mom- what a site been like? translation: ~ , ., translation: we sit together, i translate for _ translation: we sit together, i translate for him _ translation: we sit together, i translate for him and _ translation: we sit together, i translate for him and if— translation: we sit together, i translate for him and if he - translate for him and if he doesn't _ translate for him and if he doesn't know something, i show him what — doesn't know something, i show him what he has to learn. we are friends, we help each other _ are friends, we help each other. ~ ., ., are friends, we help each other. ~ . ., , ., are friends, we help each other. . ., , ., other. what are your plans for the future _ other. what are your plans for the future for _ other. what are your plans for the future for you _ other. what are your plans for the future for you and - other. what are your plans for the future for you and your . the future for you and your family? are you hoping to stay here? , , here? yes, we will stay until the war in — here? yes, we will stay until the war in ukraine _ here? yes, we will stay until the war in ukraine stops - here? yes, we will stay until the war in ukraine stops and j here? yes, we will stay until. the war in ukraine stops and we have peace. the war in ukraine stops and we have peace-— have peace. when i went to the school, have peace. when i went to the school. i _ have peace. when i went to the school, i wasn't _ have peace. when i went to the school, i wasn't expecting - have peace. when i went to the school, i wasn't expecting to i school, i wasn't expecting to find ukrainian children who are just escaped already starting
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lessons. but not only that, the boy has found friends in normality here too. before we 90, normality here too. before we go, let's take you live to independence square in kyiv, this is the scene right now. quite a lot of diplomacy, really, is the key today. we have had that press conference, the three prime ministers of great britain, canada and the netherlands, joe brighton will be on the phone with the leaders of britain, germany and france imminently and a third round of peace talks between the ukrainians and russians is taking place today. however, russian shelling is still preventing the evacuation of civilians from some besieged cities, according to the latest from ukrainians. there have been ceasefire attempts in various areas that haven't worked. in other news, from the uk, we've had news from the foreign office that britain's
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ambassador to ukraine has now left the country because of the serious security situation. ambassador melinda simmons had previously moved from kyiv to a live earth but has now moved out of the country completely because of security concerns. we will of course bring you all the very latest from kyiv from on the ground and around the world here on bbc news but for me in the centre, thanks for watching, bye—bye. a quiet start to our new working week but it will not last. it was also a cold start this morning, —7 in glasgow, a hard frost widely in scotland but accompanied by beautiful blue sky and sunshine.
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there was a little more cloud across england and wales and one or two nuisance, fairly light showers, they are drifting steadily north and west as we go through the day but the emphasis is with that dry and settled story, some breaks in the cloud giving sunny spells, the best sunshine into scotland. in the afternoon the wind will strengthen along west—facing coasts down through the irish sea and with the wind direction coming from a cooler south—easterly source those temperatures will struggle for the time of year, highs between seven and nine celsius. tonight winds will strengthen out to the west, more cloud tending to develop, cloud across england and wales continues to push north and that means the coldest weather as we go through the night is likely to be through central and eastern areas and that is where we are likely to see a frost first thing on tuesday, but again lots of sunshine to start the day,
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a beautiful start. as we go into the afternoon cloud will thicken and the winds will strengthen further with rain, some of it have heavy pushing into northern ireland and western fringes by the end of the afternoon. by the end of it we might see temperatures returning back to double figures. as we move out of tuesday into wednesday that front clears away but will be replaced by another and we will continue to see winds strengthen further so gale force gusts are likely but the good news is the wind direction changing to more of a south—westerly, a milder source so temperatures will return to where they should be for the time of year but gale force gusts along west facing coast of scotland, some of the rain heavy as it continues to drift east but from east yorkshire down to east anglia and the south—east it should stay dry with some sunshine and highs around 13. that front has to clear its way through wednesday and into the early hours of thursday, it will allow
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for a dry day on thursday before more wet and windy weather returns by friday. take care.
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this is bbc news. ukrainian cities remain under attack from russian forces. the latest attempt at a ceasefire fails, but some people manage to escape through other means. it's as ukraine says rocket attacks and missile strikes continue to hit residential areas across the country. the wave of people fleeing the fighting shows no sign of slowing — the un says 1.7 million people have now left ukraine since the russian invasion began. the british prime minister meets his canadian and dutch counterparts to outline further sanctions and aid measures, with borisjohnson defending the uk's refugee policy. we are absolutely determined to be as generous as we possibly can and as i speak to you all, we are processing thousands.
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clearly, as the situation has got worse, we are going to have to make sure that we do even more. the head of the international atomic energy agency tells the bbc of his fears over fighting around nuclear power plants in ukraine. i am very worried. i am very worried, because what we had last week, especially at zaporizhzhia, was a close call, and something like this should never happen again. oil prices hit a 13—year high, after the us said it was discussing a potential ban on russian supplies with other countries. welcome to bbc news.
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ukraine has rejected moscow's idea that civilians fleeing russian attacksuse humanitarian corridors to seek refuge in russia or in its ally belarus. the government in kyiv said the proposal was "completely immoral". ukraine authorities say rocket attacks have continued on residential areas in several cities. the russians are now said to be in control of these areas shown in red. the port of mariupol — where tens of thousands of civilians are trapped — is especially important, as it ensures ukraine's access to the black sea. western nations have promised to step up their economic and military support for ukraine, saying they're determined to make sure that vladimir putin fails. i'm joined now by our chief international correspondent lyse doucet live from kyiv. what is the last 24 hours been like? well, the last 24 of us
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have been a time of intensifying attacks by russian forces as intensifying attacks by russian force ., , , intensifying attacks by russian force , intensifying attacks by russian force ., ., . forces as they continue advance from the north, _ forces as they continue advance from the north, the _ forces as they continue advance from the north, the south - forces as they continue advance from the north, the south and i from the north, the south and the east. we have been reporting, in the past 12 days on bbc news, as russian forces try to encircle areas, in some places successfully, but today began with the good news, what should have been good news, that six new routes, humanitarian corridors, regimes of quiet, as the russians call them, would allow people to escape from several besieged areas, including towns on the outskirts of this capital, kyiv. but no sooner did they start than controversy began. it seems that four of these six roads, not to areas to the west, where ukrainians have been fleeing in their hundreds of thousands, but would go east to russia, north to belarus, and yet again, for the third day running, shelling prevented people from escaping what has
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been a growing hardship in areas like mariupol, where people are running out of food and water, where there is no electricity or heating, where the dead uncollected in the streets. but the reports both from mariupol and irpin, just west of here, say that some people manage to escape. and at this hour, a third round of talks is under way between russian and ukrainian forces at the belarusian border. there is not much hope for those negotiations, but at this hour, everyone is hoping for an end to this hardship and bloodshed. let's look at the latest developments with this report from our kyiv correspondence james waterhouse. —— kyiv correspondent. a city and region not dropping its guard. army chiefs are thought to be launching an all—out offensive on kyiv, and they are not going
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to get the red carpet treatment. while the defenders look outwards, citizens are going the other way, towards the centre, escaping russian mortarfire on the western outskirts of the city, the most pointed part of russia's advance here, which moscow tried to also present this as an opportunity. they announced a temporary ceasefire is to let people evacuate surrounding cities across ukraine, including kyiv. the eventual destinations — belarus or russia, the facilitator and architect of this brutal invasion. will people at the capital station be tempted to go the other way? to poland. going to russia, no. it is better here or the european countries but not to russia. they never say the truth, you cannot trust them, ever. this is where the vast majority of people are heading — west, to cities like lviv.
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what ukrainians tell you is they do not want to be under russian control, let alone in it. other locations listed on the humanitarian corridors are kharkiv, which has enjoyed days of heavy fighting. look at this university. mariupol in the south—east is another location. there were two attempted ceasefires at the weekend and they lasted less than an hour. ukraine has described these proposals as immoral. translation: there's a feeling this is happening in another- country but it is happening in our country, not anywhere else, in our country which always wanted peace most of all. how many more losses and deaths we need to incur? the invaders continue to blame so—called ukrainian nationalists for break outs in fighting. detailed information about the humanitarian corridors was given to the ukrainian side in advance, as well as dedicated entities of the united nations and international committees of the red cross. today has been a continuation of russia claiming to be the liberator in the war, a conflict which is pushing people either underground or out of the country they call home.
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there are fears that another ukranian port city, odesa on the black sea, could be next to come under heavy russian fire. president zelensky warned today that the russian military was preparing to bomb the city. so what's the situation like there now? i'm joined now by the mayor of odesa, gennadiy trukhanov. thank you so much for being on bbc news. how bad is the situation there? translation: thank you very much. , ., ., , much. the situation in this ci is much. the situation in this city is very _ much. the situation in this city is very tense. - much. the situation in this city is very tense. we - much. the situation in this
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city is very tense. we are i city is very tense. we are expecting the attack from the aggressive. we are expecting the attack from the sea and also from the city near odesa, they have heavy fighting there, and we are also watching the movement of russian vessels in the black sea. in movement of russian vessels in the black sea.— the black sea. in the last few da s, the black sea. in the last few days. you _ the black sea. in the last few days, you could _ the black sea. in the last few days, you could actually - the black sea. in the last few days, you could actually see l days, you could actually see russian warships on the horizon. what preparations are you making?
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let me ask the question again, because i know it is being translated to you- translated to you what preparations _ translated to you what preparations are - translated to you what preparations are you i translated to you what - preparations are you making there in odesa? translation: odesa is being - re ared translation: odesa is being prepared to — translation: odesa is being prepared to oppose _ translation: odesa is being prepared to oppose the - translation: odesa is being | prepared to oppose the enemy, we have been preparing on a daily basis barricades, all the residents united in defending our city. all the issues which need to be resolved, we are getting ready, we are getting prepared to defend our city. [30 prepared to defend our city. do ou prepared to defend our city. do you think you can hold odesa?
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translation: i believe that we will be defending _ translation: i believe that we will be defending our— translation: i believe that we will be defending our city, - translation: i believe that we will be defending our city, and l will be defending our city, and we won't let the enemy in. odesa is a great city, a city with glory, with acts of history, and we won't allow anyone to come here without our invitation, not being invited, and i am confident that we will defend our city.— defend our city. how big, though. _ defend our city. how big, though. a _ defend our city. how big, though, a strategic- defend our city. how big, though, a strategic blow| defend our city. how big, - though, a strategic blow would it be for ukraine if it was taken? because it is crucial for your country's economy, isn't it? translation: yes, it is important _ translation: yes, it is important not _ translation: yes, it is important not only - translation: yes, it is important not only for. translation: yes, it is| important not only for the economy of ukraine, it is important, and we believe so, and we consider it at the
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southern capital of our state. and secondly, we say in odesa that odesa is not city number one, but it is not city number two. we are aware how important we are, how important we are as an image for ukraine. fiur an image for ukraine. our --eole an image for ukraine. our people still— an image for ukraine. our people still able _ an image for ukraine. our people still able to - an image for ukraine. our people still able to get out of odesa? translation: , , , translation: yes. the residents are able to — translation: yes. the residents are able to leave _ translation: yes. the residents are able to leave odesa. - translation: yes. the residents are able to leave odesa. they - are able to leave odesa. they leave, but not on a massive scale. odesa is functioning at the moment as a transit city for those who have left other cities. we are assisting, we are assisting those who arrive, those are women and children.
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it is difficult to say, it is hard to say that what i saw yesterday at the railway station in odesa, when people come up with their young kids, they have nothing, no clothes to put on. we gave them clouds, send them off, and they are going to nowhere, because they don't really know where they will wake up tomorrow with their kids come up with their pets, dogs, cats. those people left their towns wearing only one pair of clothes, that is eight. one pair of clothes, that is ei . ht. one pair of clothes, that is eiaht. ., , ~ one pair of clothes, that is eiaht. ., i. ., one pair of clothes, that is eiaht. ., , eight. let me ask you a couple of final questions. _ eight. let me ask you a couple of final questions. the - eight. let me ask you a couple of final questions. the kremlin spokesman said today that it was ready to halt its military action if conditions were met. they talked about crimea being
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recognised as russian, lohan scanned donetsk being recognised as independent territories. —— luhansk and donetsk. would you ever accept conditions like that? he speaks ukrainian let mejust as let me just as do a final thought, because we saw this with kherson only a couple of days ago, with the mayor ultimately having to accept the overwhelming russian forces. are you prepared, in the coming days, if the attack comes, to actually understand that you
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may reach a point where you will have two surrender to save many, many lives? translation: do you mean i should surrender? _ translation: do you mean i should surrender? if - translation: do you mean i should surrender? if i - should surrender? if i personally surrender? i didn't really catch your question. apologies, i didn't catch your question. apologies, i didn't catch your question-— question. don't worry, iwill ask it again. _ question. don't worry, iwill ask it again. in _ question. don't worry, iwill ask it again. in kherson, . ask it again. in kherson, ultimately, we saw the mayor having to surrender. do you recognise potentially you might have to do the same to save many lives? translation: you know, i
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wouldn't — translation: you know, i wouldn't even _ translation: you know, i wouldn't even think- translation: you know, i wouldn't even think that . translation: you know, i wouldn't even think that a i wouldn't even think that a situation like this might happen in odesa, but it is an important and hard decision. at the moment, i am ready to stand and defend, we will see how the situation develops, but we're not going to leave the city, we are not going to surrender. we will see how situation develops. eitherto will see how situation develops. either to work or surrender. you know what is happening in ukraine now, the victims, the lives perished, of civilians, you know, each day we are moving, it is difficult for me to say anything. we will
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leave it there, _ for me to say anything. we will leave it there, i _ for me to say anything. we will leave it there, i know - for me to say anything. we will leave it there, i know the - for me to say anything. we will leave it there, i know the line i leave it there, i know the line is difficult with a simultaneous translation of my questions to you. thank you so much forjoining us on bbc news and giving us what is happening there in your city as we speak. thank you so much forjoining us. let's go from odesa to another part of ukraine, because maria avdeeva is a ukrainian journalist in kharkiv and is waiting to talk to me now. thank you forjoining us on the programme. we have seen kharkiv have some of the most intensive bombardment over the last few days. what is the last couple of days been like? hello, thank you for having me, but i'm not a journalist, i am actually a research director of actually a research director of a ukrainian think tank, but since the aggression started, there are almost no international journalist there are almost no internationaljournalist in our area, so i try to do my best to reveal russian war crimes and give as much information as possible to the world. so situation in kharkiv is getting
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worse with every day, the bombardment of residential areas by russian aircraft continues on a daily basis, and a star usually in the evening, when it is dark outside, and the bombardment goes through out the night. and every morning we have got new reports of new losses amongst civilians and new destroyed residential areas here in kharkiv. and just today i got the footage from a find of mine, living in one of these residential areas, who lives near the kindergarten, which was shut down, bombarded on the night by russian aircraft. and, you know, yet at the same time, the talks of russian officials saying that they will not target civilian infrastructure, but that looks like a cynical way of how russia behaves now. what are
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ukrainian _ russia behaves now. what are ukrainian soldiers _ russia behaves now. what are ukrainian soldiers saying - russia behaves now. what are ukrainian soldiers saying to i ukrainian soldiers saying to you? i ukrainian soldiers saying to ou? ., ukrainian soldiers saying to ou? . . . , you? i have had a possibility yesterday — you? i have had a possibility yesterday to _ you? i have had a possibility yesterday to speak - you? i have had a possibility yesterday to speak to i you? i have had a possibility yesterday to speak to the i yesterday to speak to the territorial defence unit, and they are ready to fight, and they are ready to fight, and they are ready to fight, and they are fighting fires. and even now they can do a counteroffensive on the ground, and it is very effective, so they managed to push back russian troops from the territory that russia already controls, in the territory of ukraine, so pushing them back to the border with russia. and they do not fight, they are not able to fight back, russian troops, because their morale is low. they lack supplies for their military vehicles. they also like food supplies, and that kind of thing. and the most important one, what they never thought they would see here in the intensive fighting from ukrainian side, because probably russian propaganda
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works so intensively in russia. they were thinking that they would not see here in ukraine this major resistance, also from military and civil society, just ordinary citizens, because citizens go to russian soldiers and demand them to go home. that is what putin did not expect to see here in ukraine.— putin did not expect to see here in ukraine. tell me how ordinary people _ here in ukraine. tell me how ordinary people are - here in ukraine. tell me how ordinary people are actually. ordinary people are actually living through all of this. we have pictures on our screen at the moment from overnight, some of the heavy bombardment you were describing. where are people going? how are they living through this?- people going? how are they living through this? they go to the shelters, _ living through this? they go to the shelters, or _ living through this? they go to the shelters, or the _ living through this? they go to the shelters, or the use i the shelters, or the use underground in the shelter, but many people try to leave kharkiv, and a major problem for now is that russia does not allow to organise corridors so that people can leave
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peacefully and safely. because now, if you get into the car, you become an instant target for russian missiles, and that is why you cannotjust go safely where you want to go. people usually try to use railway stations, but of course the demand is much more higher than the railway facilities are in hockey. that means that people are stuck here and that putin does it deliberately, deliberately targeting residential areas so to threaten people and not allow them to live their normal lives, because there are shortages of supplies, especially it is difficult for families with children, because they need to spend holidays in they need to spend holidays in the shelters, in the basement, hiding for 11 days now. it sounds terrifying. it i hiding for 11 days now. it sounds terrifying. it is l sounds terrifying. it is terrifying. _ sounds terrifying. it is terrifying, it _ sounds terrifying. it is terrifying, it is - sounds terrifying. it is l terrifying, it is terrifying sounds terrifying. it is i terrifying, it is terrifying to be in this situation, and you
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probably know that kharkiv, as well as other ukrainian cities, is asking for international help in air defence, to close the sky over ukraine, to help ukraine, to help protect ukraine, to help protect ukraine from the sky, because thatis ukraine from the sky, because that is what putin is now doing. he understands he cannot doing. he understands he cannot do it through on the ground operations, he cannot get control over kharkiv, and that is why he is terrorising the whole city, through night bombardment. haste whole city, through night bombardment.— whole city, through night bombardment. ~ ., bombardment. we will leave it there, thank _ bombardment. we will leave it there, thank you _ bombardment. we will leave it there, thank you so _ bombardment. we will leave it there, thank you so much i bombardment. we will leave it there, thank you so much for i there, thank you so much for speaking to us live from kharkiv, thank you so much for joining us on the programme. the united nations says more than 1.5 million people have now left ukraine since the russian invasion began.
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let's hear about the people still inside ukraine but who've had to flee their homes. yalda hakim is in the western city of lviv, where many people have escaped to. she's visited a refugee shelter. i'm here at this arts centre, and just 12 days ago the space was used for cultural events, and now it's home to the thousands of people who are coming to western ukraine looking for relative safety, relative peace, away from the fighting in the north, east and south of the country. you can seejust behind me and some of the elderly people who have fled their homes, fled the bombings, the shellings, the fighting that took place. many of them tell me that they were staying in underground bunkers without any food, water, heating. it is freezing conditions here in the ukraine, and these people were suffering, but they tried to get away, and frankly they're the lucky ones. there are so many others
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who are trapped waiting for some kind of humanitarian corridor to be created. in the other rooms, there are newborn babies, small children who, their parents say, are completely traumatised by what they heard, what they witnessed. for them, they're now trying to get to other countries along the borders. they're trying to get away. they don't know when they'll be able to come back, if they'll be able to come back, and what sort of country they'll come back to. this afternoon, the uk prime minister, borisjohnson, met with his canadian counterpart, justin trudeau, and the dutch premier, mark rutte. at a downing street press conference, mrjohnson said the three countries "stand shoulder to shoulder against russia's barbaric invasion of ukraine." let's hear more of what they had to say. in the 12 days since russia launched this illegal and brutal assault, the world has come together in solidarity with the indomitable people of ukraine. last week, 141
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countries, nearly three quarters of the entire membership of the united nations, voted to condemn putin's war. and 39 countries, including the uk, canada and the netherlands, voted to refer putin's actions to the international criminal court. this is the largest such action the court has ever seen and will allow the chief prosecutor to open an investigation to ensure putin cannot commit these crimes with impunity. when i met earlier with boris, we discussed stronger security ties, _ we discussed stronger security ties, continuing to defend our shared — ties, continuing to defend our shared values, continuing our work— shared values, continuing our work together on advancing free trade _ work together on advancing free trade and — work together on advancing free trade and creating more middle—classjobs, and also on climate — middle—classjobs, and also on climate action, where we need to build — climate action, where we need to build a _ climate action, where we need to build a sustainable, secure future — to build a sustainable, secure future i— to build a sustainable, secure future. i also had a bilateral meeting _ future. i also had a bilateral meeting with margaret, where we talked _ meeting with margaret, where we talked about the enhanced
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importance of nato, continuing to work— importance of nato, continuing to work together to protect the freedom — to work together to protect the freedom of the press and work strongly— freedom of the press and work strongly with our friends in the european union. but of course _ the european union. but of course throw out the focus is on the — course throw out the focus is on the people of ukraine and our solidarity with ukraine, pushing back against the illegal russian invasion of ukraine _ illegal russian invasion of ukraine and standing up for democracies around the world. the netherlands is prepared to consider all possible sanctions that can help put pressure on russia. obviously, there is a lot of debate going on about energy sanctions, and here we should not make a mistake. we have to make sure that they don't generate unmanageable risks to energy supplies in european countries and beyond, including ukraine, as has also been stated today by german chancellor olaf scholz, and rightly so. so we still need
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european countries to continue their work towards russia, and thatis their work towards russia, and that is important. and of course what we need to do overtime is to make sure that we reduce dramatically our energy dependency on russia, thatis energy dependency on russia, that is clear. we are going to take a short break, we will have more from the borders, the exodus of up more on sanctions, and more on potential war crimes. all of that in the next few minutes. good evening, high pressure at this time of year can quite the weather down but it was minus seven celsius this morning in glasgow with sunshine but also hard but further south, some cloud in south—east england and that drifted its way steadily northwards across the midlands into northern england. it pushed its way north. this was the
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story and the west facing coastal prevent those temperatures from falling too far through the night tonight but we have the clearest of the skies through central and eastern... with a touch of frost the first thing in the morning but at least there will be some sunshine around as well. as we go through the day, the winds continue to strengthen and cloud will thicken because as we go through the morning and afternoon, we see rain pushing into northern ireland, gradually into northern ireland, gradually into western fringes of scotland and parts of wales with the wind strengthening two gusts in excess of 45-40 strengthening two gusts in excess of 45—40 mph. the best of the sunshine further east sea temperatures king at... with the wind and rain feeling cool and disappointing. that where the front will ease away as we close out tuesday into wednesday. but it allows more front grecian across the
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atlantic with a spell of wet and windy weather set to... three windy part of the week. a south—westerly flow brings mild air with it as though winds start to shrew. i suspect as we go through wednesday, a spell of wet and increasingly windy weather with gale—force gusts at times and the best of the brighter weather to the east of the pennines where we could see some sunshine clouding over across the midlands with that rain to the us and highs of 13 celsius. once we leave wednesday and go into thursday, that front will bump into the high pressure. so a bit of light, patchy rain free ridge of high pressure building in. not a bad day, but sunday before more wet and windy weather returns by friday.
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welcome back to bbc news. ukraine has rejected moscow's idea, that civilians fleeing russian attacks — use humanitarian corridors to seek refuge in russia or in its ally belarus. the government in kyiv said the proposal was "completely immoral". ukraine authorities say, rocket attacks have continued on residential areas in several cities. western governments have been outlining more sanctions against russia. let's go to the humanitarian crisis in particular, the tidal wave of people that flows over the borderfrom ukraine into
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poland. every day the numbers keep on growing. those are the latest pictures. my colleague mishal husain is on the border — and sent this report — on the sheer scale of the numbers. there are refugees who have come by train and also those who have crossed the border on foot and in vehicles, who have also come here because this is where they get transport, if they are going to go by train to other parts of poland and then on to destinations elsewhere in europe. let me show you what it is like, absolutely packed, because at every hour people are coming and going from here, and i was here before five o'clock this morning, the middle of the night, essentially, and it was the same scene. people are right here and they are looking
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for trains, the platform where the trains from lviv come in and they are uncertain because you can imagine what the conflict has done to the chances of a train arriving on time, but there is a special platform where those trains arrive and then those are the ones that go out from here to crack off and beyond. the numbers i really staggering —— krakow. we have this number from the polish government of more than a million arrivals from ukraine in the last 11 days. but in the last couple of days, saturday and sunday, days when there were well over 100,000 people who crossed at the various border crossing points nearby, and even between midnight and seven o'clock this morning, there were more than 40,000 arrivals, so i think you can get a sense of the scale of this and that is why there are so many places like this where there are volunteers who are giving out food, taking the
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women and children and people who need special assistance, into certain areas, trying to direct people on their way, asking where they have family and friends. but the main issue here is that this is an operation which is almost completely dependent on volunteers, and the mayor here has said there is more than a thousand volunteers working in and around this particular hub every day. it is hard to see how that can be sustained over the long run. that is the concern now, whether they will still be this many volunteers to help next week and the week after, possibly for that period of time, but next month and after that, that is a difficult and different situation. the high commissionerfor and different situation. the high commissioner for refugees has also been talking about what happens when there are more arrivals from ukraine who come over the border with less means, without the names and
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addresses of relatives and friends elsewhere in europe to get to, that is when this becomes even more complex than it is now. in becomes even more complex than it is now. ., becomes even more complex than it is now. . ., , it is now. in a few moments we will be talking _ it is now. in a few moments we will be talking to _ it is now. in a few moments we will be talking to another i it is now. in a few moments we will be talking to another of i will be talking to another of our correspondence who is on the border. she has been speaking to indian students who have been struggling to get out of the country —— correspondents. the latest lines coming out of ukraine, the interior minister there says that 4000 people still need to be evacuated from the outskirts of the capital kyiv and they say that russia is doing everything it can to prevent humanitarian corridors. earlier in the day russia suggesting six humanitarian corridors but four of them taking people potentially both to russia and belarus which was dismissed by kyiv as immoral, but the ukrainian interior
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minister official saying 4000 people still need to be evacuated from the outskirts of kyiv and says that russia is doing everything it can to prevent those humanitarian corridors. more on that in a few moments. now we can have a look at the business news. let's get a check on how global markets have been absorbing the latest developments related to the war in ukraine — tieg enright is here. and oil prices have spiked higher. that is right. the price of oil remains the focus of the financial markets during this crisis, the british prime minister has been speaking. the british prime minister borisjohnson has said that europe cannot simply shut down its use of russian oil and gas. at meeting with his dutch counterpart, mark rutte they warned it would take time to reduce the continent's dependency on russian energy. today has seen another huge spike in oil and gas prices after moves by the united states to ban russian imports, at one point hitting $139 a barrel for brent crude.
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us secretary of state anthony blinken said the us and europe had been having "having a very active discussion" about a ban. the european union will publish a plan tomorrow to reduce the bloc�*s reliance on russian imports but for now, the german chancellor olaf scholz has said they are essential to european's daily lives. russian exports account for around 8% of the total global oil supply. according to reports, the us — which imports 10% of its oilfrom russia — is planning to hold discussions with venezuela and saudi arabia to make up for the russian shortfall. and it's notjust oil that's been surging — wholesale gas prices here in the uk were up 60% earlier to 789 pence per therm. that's the next day delivery price and a new record high. and the financial markets as you can see...
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they are still a source of turbulence. the ftse pretty much flat on the day but the price of brent crude currently at 5.5% higher than yesterday's price at just at 5.5% higher than yesterday's price atjust under $125 per barrel but it did hit $139 in trading earlier today. for more on the us perspective, we're nowjoined from new york by our business correspondent samira hussain. thanks forjoining us. what do we know about the overtures from washington to other oil producers? like venezuela and saudi arabia. ., like venezuela and saudi arabia. . ., , arabia. there are even rumours that there _ arabia. there are even rumours that there may _ arabia. there are even rumours that there may be _ arabia. there are even rumours that there may be a _ arabia. there are even rumours that there may be a trip - arabia. there are even rumours that there may be a trip in i arabia. there are even rumours that there may be a trip in the i that there may be a trip in the works for us presidentjoe biden to go to saudi arabia and directly make this play. domestically the president is facing difficulties this year because you are already seeing the soaring prices in the uk and in other parts of europe,
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and in other parts of europe, and in other parts of europe, and in the us you are also seeing a lot of that, it has to do with the residual impact of the pandemic, but also we are seeing about gasoline prices here, hitting their highest levels not seen since 2008, and it is expected to further climb, so in this wayjoe biden, although politically and geopolitically, is looking at trying to eliminate any purchases the us makes of russian oil and gas, at the same time he doesn't want to see more economic impact for people in the us so there are those overtures being made both to venezuela and saudi arabia to venezuela and saudi arabia to try and alleviate some of that pressure on everyday americans. in that pressure on everyday americans.— americans. in the case of venezuela. _ americans. in the case of venezuela, that - americans. in the case of venezuela, that would i americans. in the case of- venezuela, that would require the unwinding of other sanctions applied to their oil exports? sanctions applied to their oil exorts? ~ , ., exports? absolutely. so that -oses exports? absolutely. so that poses quite _ exports? absolutely. so that poses quite a _ exports? absolutely. so that poses quite a bit _ exports? absolutely. so that poses quite a bit of- exports? absolutely. so that poses quite a bit of a - poses quite a bit of a challenge for the us but such
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are the geopolitical realities that exist at the moment. what is interesting about that trilateral meeting which was held in the uk with boris johnson and his counterpart from the netherlands, and also the canadian prime minister justin trudeau, and he was pointedly asked if canada would be increasing their oil supplies globally to try and alleviate some of the pressures that we already are seeing but the prime minister cleverly skirted the question. is there sco -e to skirted the question. is there scope to boost _ skirted the question. is there scope to boost us _ skirted the question. is there scope to boost us produced i skirted the question. is there i scope to boost us produced oil? is there scope to increase supplies coming out of canada? there is scope to do that. we saw earlier on in the pandemic that the president of the us had opened up some of america's oil reserves to ease the financial pressure and you could certainly see that. it would take for that increase in
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production to make its way into the marketplace and i think thatis the marketplace and i think that is what some people are worried about. and don't forget the environmental impact, you have seen a lot of countries had made these commitments to reduce their dependency on fossilfuels and so reduce their dependency on fossil fuels and so it is a challenge for countries to say, ok, in the short term it we are going to increase how much we are putting into the global market but also still respecting the limitations they have already set on themselves as a result of the environmental damage these fossil fuels environmental damage these fossilfuels are environmental damage these fossil fuels are creating. for now, fossil fuels are creating. for now. thanks _ fossil fuels are creating. for now, thanks for _ fossil fuels are creating. for now, thanks forjoining us. the boss of one of the world's biggest fertiliser companies has told the bbc that the war in ukraine is a threat to globalfood supplies. yara international operates in more than 60 countries and sources many raw materials from russia — which is a major supplier of nutrients. its chief executive was speaking to our business correspondent, emma simpson, just hours before the russian government urged its producers to halt fertiliser exports.
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if you look at europe, around 25% of the key nutrients, nitrogen, phosphate, they come from russia. so, obviously, that would have a significant impact. and we are also sourcing some of these raw materials into our production and that would have an impact on our ability to maintain production at the level we have done. but at the same time, we are doing whatever we can at the moment to find additional sources. but with such short timelines, it is limited, what we can do. this could cause a fertiliser shortage? there is certainly a risk for that. these are integrated global
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supply chains and trade flows, and any disruption to that could delay deliveries, and then not be available at the right time for the farmers. that in turn would have a direct impact on the coming harvest. this is something that we're concerned about and we're consequently looking at alternative sources of nutrients. presumably this situation could push food prices up even further, couldn't it? that has already happened. we saw the un food price index hit an all—time high back in early february. half of the world's population gets food as a result of fertiliser. that is it for now.
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we could now go back to the ukrainian border. many people are still trying to flee ukraine, among them 700 indian students, but other have managed to cross the border to poland and some have made their way back to india. the bbc coresspondat divya arya has been speaking to them shejoins me now from poland. some of the students, what they have been saying to you, can you take me through it? there is a lot of— you take me through it? there is a lot of trauma _ you take me through it? there is a lot of trauma amongst i you take me through it? there is a lot of trauma amongst the i is a lot of trauma amongst the students and we met one who could barely speak and barely say his name and barely recall anything. he was not able to communicate in any way and said he has been hallucinating and he has been hallucinating and he feels constantly under threat and we had to tell him repeatedly that he was safe, in a country where there is no war, and that he will be taken back home eventually. there were other students who constantly said they felt they were completely on their own in ukraine, so they may have got information about which borders to get to, especially in the western part of the country, which is poland, hungary and romania, but how to get those
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borders. they were left to fend for themselves, that is what they said. walking for many kilometres on foot, and it his very cold, it has been snowing, and they said they walked along in a —3, minus four degrees. they tried to get buses and trains but they were hard to find and then taxes, they had to pay a really high fare, but once they were at the border they said they did get support from embassy officials and they have been taken on flights back to india. there are still around 700 indian students and they were also asked to pack their bags today and we reported some horrible stories of being without electricity for hours on end. they did not have water or heating and they did not have food. they have been asked to pack their bags because russia has announced it will allow a corridor for civilians and will allow a corridorfor civilians and indian authorities are in touch with them. whether that will
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actually happen, the students keep oscillating between hope and despair, is one of them told us. i and despair, is one of them told us. ., ., , told us. i heard one student sa inc told us. i heard one student saying that _ told us. i heard one student saying that the _ told us. i heard one student saying that the corridor i told us. i heard one student saying that the corridor thati saying that the corridor that was being offered was parachuted into russia and they were dubious about accepting that and were staying put. —— being offered was into russia. that work is still being done on the ground in terms of those who are left, but in terms of the broader politics, the uk foreign secretary earlier today said that there was a level of dependency for india on russia and said that she had encouraged her counterpart to actually stand against russia. there was a vote in the united nations where india did not vote against russia last week.
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what efforts are being made to put more pressure on the indian government?— government? india is taking the middle way. _ government? india is taking the middle way. if— government? india is taking the middle way, if i _ government? india is taking the middle way, if i can _ government? india is taking the middle way, if i can put - government? india is taking the middle way, if i can put it i middle way, if i can put it that way. the indian prime minister narendra modi spoke to vladimir putin and also president zelensky and he said he thinks the issue needs to be resolved bilaterally through dialogue but that is where he stopped. he thanked the ukrainian president for all the cooperation in evacuating indian students and the 20,000 number is what the indian government has also given to us and he also thanked the russian president putin by declaring the ceasefire twice, but as far as the diplomacy goes, there are still only guarded statements that are coming from india. ., statements that are coming from india. . ., ., ,
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india. thanks for 'oining us. apologiesh india. thanks forjoining us. apologies because - india. thanks forjoining us. apologies because we i india. thanks forjoining us. apologies because we lost i india. thanks forjoining us. i apologies because we lost the line there occasionally. ukraine's president volodymr zelensky has accused russian troops of the "deliberate murder" of civilians after a family with two children was killed by shelling in the street while trying to flee the town of irpin, on the outskirts of kyiv. today, borisjohson described president putin's tactics in ukraine as "an illegal and brutal assault" and said that additional sanctions will follow. i'm joined now by david crane, a former chief prosecutor of the un special court, who is working with a group of academics and lawyers to compile evidence of war crimes in ukraine. tell me you —— how you are collecting the evidence? haste tell me you -- how you are collecting the evidence? we are seeinu collecting the evidence? we are seeing incredible _ collecting the evidence? we are seeing incredible international i seeing incredible international crimes committed by vladimir
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putin, he is committing the crime of aggression, what crimes are crimes against humanity. global accountability network set up a task force on the day of the invasion but began a crime based matrix on a map, cataloguing the war crimes and the crimes against humanity that are being committed by vladimir putin and his commanders and his henchmen. we do this, very similar to the way we did this when we were in west africa, compiling evidence against president charles taylor and his henchmen, and the global accountability network is made up of over a dozen universities and several hundred law students and graduates who are focused on bringing justice for atrocity crimes in syria, yemen, venezuela and now with the ukrainian people.— ukrainian people. clearly so many eyewitness _ ukrainian people. clearly so many eyewitness accounts i ukrainian people. clearly so i many eyewitness accounts and we are now in the world of social media and all those videos that
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we have seen over the last 12 days, so how encouraged are you by the fact that the icc launched an investigation and have sent a already to the region? have sent a already to the reuion? ., , , have sent a already to the reuion? . , , ., region? that is very important. -- have wrote _ region? that is very important. -- have wrote sent _ region? that is very important. -- have wrote sent teams i —— have wrote sent teams already. -- have wrote sent teams already-— -- have wrote sent teams alread . ~ ., ., ., already. we have to vladimir putin, already. we have to vladimir putin. and — already. we have to vladimir putin, and other _ already. we have to vladimir putin, and other strong i already. we have to vladimir putin, and other strong men | putin, and other strong men around the world are watching how the world is reacting to the international crimes that vladimir putin is committing, and so it is encouraging to see around the world, people stepping forward, saying that justice must be done, and i have to make sure that your listeners understand that truly, and this is from somebody who has been doing this now for 20 years, the rule of law is more powerful than the rule of the gun. vladimir putin has committed war crimes and there is no statute of limitations on those crimes, and sunday he will be held accountable, so it's encouraging to be seeing the un
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standing shoulder to shoulder —— and some day he will be held accountable. it's encouraging to see the world's democracies standing shoulder to shoulder, it is a good weapon against tyrants. i it is a good weapon against rants. ., , , ., ~ it is a good weapon against rants. . , , , ., ,, ., it is a good weapon against rants. ., , , ., ,, ., . tyrants. i was speaking to bill clinton and _ tyrants. i was speaking to bill clinton and he _ tyrants. i was speaking to bill clinton and he made - tyrants. i was speaking to bill clinton and he made the i tyrants. i was speaking to bill| clinton and he made the point that once an indictment is laid, the sanctions that we see stay in place until those individuals are actually handed over, and that is significantly leverage, isn't it? it over, and that is significantly leverage, isn't it?— leverage, isn't it? it is incredible. _ leverage, isn't it? it is incredible. and - leverage, isn't it? it is incredible. and he i leverage, isn't it? it is. incredible. and he knows leverage, isn't it? it 3 incredible. and he knows this, we tend to think that these tyrants don't worry about this kind of thing where we have trained professionals who have been doing this now for a long time, especially someone like myself who has taken down a sitting head of state, and he knows we have the experience and the rules and evidence to take him before an appropriate court for holding him
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accountable for war crimes crimes against —— and crimes against humanity. in crimes against -- and crimes against humanity.— crimes against -- and crimes against humanity. in terms of the targets — against humanity. in terms of the targets it _ against humanity. in terms of the targets it so _ against humanity. in terms of the targets it so far, - against humanity. in terms of the targets it so far, you i against humanity. in terms ofj the targets it so far, you have seen the pictures, is it evident to you that crimes have already been committed? clearly, we are even documenting it, we are in possession of over 700 pieces of evidence and civilians have got to be absolutely protected. if you intentionally target civilians you are committing a war crime and we are seeing this every minute of every day. since the invasion began. you think, finally. _ since the invasion began. you think, finally, that _ since the invasion began. you think, finally, that one day somebody will be in a dock as a result of this?— result of this? trust me on this. i have _ result of this? trust me on this. i have been _ result of this? trust me on this. i have been doing i result of this? trust me on| this. i have been doing this result of this? trust me on l this. i have been doing this a long time, charles taylor never thought he would be held accountable to what he did to west africa and he is sitting in a maximum security prison in the uk for the rest of his life. time will tell, there
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will be a political moment and a time when vladimir putin will be held accountable, for what he is doing to the people of ukraine. . ., ukraine. david crane, thanks forjoining — ukraine. david crane, thanks forjoining us. _ ukraine. david crane, thanks forjoining us. my _ ukraine. david crane, thanks forjoining us. my pleasure. i the russian chess grandmaster garry kasparov has been a political activist against vladimir putin's government. he's a former chairman of the new york—based human rights foundation and he played an active role in the anti—kremlin opposition protest movement when he lived in moscow. he is now based in the us. and told my colleague yalda hakim that he is dissatisfied with the response from the west. no, absolutely not. the west has always been a couple of steps behind, and many things have been done now, but they could have saved lives and save us from this horror at six months ago. instead of helping ukraine, and preparing for the war and imposing the
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sanctions, while us intelligence made clear that invasion was imminent, they continued to have discussions with putin and ukraine was not prepared. now we need more. sanctions are fine but it is not enough to throw russia back in the technological stone age. we need a full blockade, technological and economic and also ukraine needs more military help and i understand the argument of those who say that a no—fly zone is a huge risk of being involved in a direct or with russia, but if they are afraid of the confrontation, how are they going to defend lithuania and poland or latvia, if russia tax? i don't think anyone has doubts, if vladimir putin succeeds in bombarding ukraine into submission, and i don't think it should happen, but if, then he would definitely test
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nato, and any hesitation or responding militarily to putin's new provocations will mean the end of nato and the total dominance of the russian dictator across notjust total dominance of the russian dictator across not just the former soviet union but the entire eastern europe. 50 former soviet union but the entire eastern europe. so what do ou entire eastern europe. so what do you think — entire eastern europe. so what do you think that _ entire eastern europe. so what do you think that a _ entire eastern europe. so what do you think that a no - entire eastern europe. so what do you think that a no fly i entire eastern europe. so what do you think that a no fly zone | do you think that a no fly zone should be imposed? absolutely. it is already _ should be imposed? absolutely. it is already late. _ should be imposed? absolutely. it is already late. it _ should be imposed? absolutely. it is already late. it should - it is already late. it should have been imposed early. ukraine could be offered more supplies, notjust stingers supplies, not just stingers because supplies, notjust stingers because nato supplies, notjust stingers because nate and the us have sophisticated weapons and they could have saved ukraine from the latest wars, they have got helicopters that could destroy russian tanks, there are many options, but the problem with having the us administration and european nations trying to find, if not common ground, but
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some sort of compromise, and they are still talking about a operation from putin, but we are witnessing war crimes on an industrial scale, are witnessing war crimes on an industrialscale, never are witnessing war crimes on an industrial scale, never seen in europe since world war ii, and there are no indications it will stop. you talk about the humanitarian corridor but that is another attempt to compromise ukrainian defence system because they are trying to actually turn the people into... . into... putin and the kremlin has said _ into... putin and the kremlin has said that _ into... putin and the kremlin has said that the _ into... putin and the kremlin l has said that the humanitarian corridors should only be towards russia and belarus, which the ukrainians have said is completely immoral. absolutely. that is another fake... they pretend they care about these people but they know that very few of them, if any, will ever accept going to russia or belarus, and lying is one of the main traits of
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putin's character and so that is what he says something, you should assume this opposite —— so that is why when he says something, you should assume the opposite. something, you should assume the opposite-— the opposite. that is it for now. the opposite. that is it for nova we _ the opposite. that is it for now. we will _ the opposite. that is it for now. we will be _ the opposite. that is it for now. we will be back - the opposite. that is it for now. we will be back at i the opposite. that is it for. now. we will be back at the the opposite. that is it for - now. we will be back at the top moral business until two 11 to three high pressure can quiet the weather story down. aha, 11 to three high pressure can quiet the weather story down.— 11 to three high pressure can quiet the weather story down. a and frosty ni . ht. it the weather story down. a and frosty night- it was — the weather story down. a and frosty night. it was minus _ the weather story down. a and frosty night. it was minus seven _ the weather story down. a and frosty night. it was minus seven celsius - night. it was minus seven celsius first thing this morning in glasgow with some sunshine but a hard frost. further south we had early morning cloud in south—east england and that drifted across into northern england and it will continue to push its way north over the next few hours. this is the story through the course of the day and in actual fact that cloud along with a freshening across the south—west through the irish sea will prevent those temperatures from
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falling too far to the night to we have the clearest of the skies to central and eastern areas where the lowest empties are likely to be. some sunshine around as well. as a guest of the day the winds will continue to strengthen and cloud will thicken because as we go through the morning and into the afternoon we see rain pushing through into western fringes of scotland and parts of wales. the winds are strengthening with gusts in excess of 50 mild an hour. the sunshine further east we may well see temperatures peaking at 11 degrees. underthe see temperatures peaking at 11 degrees. under the cloud, wind and rain feeling cold and disappointing. 708 at the very best. the weather front will ease away as we close out tuesday into wednesday but it is going to allow more fronts to pushing off the atlantic. wet and windy set to continue that the middle part of the week. the good news is a south—westerly flow will actually bring some milder air with
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it as those front start to push through. i suspect as we go through wednesday there is a spell of wet and windy weather with gale force gusts of wind at times. the best of the brighter weather perhaps on wednesday will be to the east of the pennines. here we could see some sunshine clouding over across the midlands with that rain out in the highs of 13 celsius. once we leave wednesday and go into thursday that front will bump into the high pressure of rain at the near continent and we can. a little bit of light patchy rain with a ridge of high pressure building behind. overall on thursday not a bad day. dry, settled and sunny before more wet and windy weather returns by friday.
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this is bbc news — ukrainian cities remain under attack from russian forces. plans for escape routes for civilians fail. ukraine says the plan is 'immoral�* as most routes lead to russia or belarus. but police say thousands of people in one beseiged town on the outskirts of kyiv have been ta ken to safety. it comes as ukraine says rocket attacks and missile strikes have continued to hit residential areas across the country. the wave of people fleeing the fighting shows no sign of slowing — the un says 1.7 million people have now left ukraine since the russian invasion began. the british prime minister meets his canadian and dutch counterparts to outline further sanctions and aid measures — with borisjohnson defending the uk's refugee policy.

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