tv Breakfast BBC News March 12, 2022 6:00am-10:01am GMT
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good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: day 17 of the war in ukraine: russia targets more cities as its troops regroup around the capital kyiv. another attempt to evacuate people from the devastated towns of mariupol and sumy after so—called �*humanitarian corridors�* failed to hold. president biden again rules out direct action against russia, claiming it would lead to world war iii. disappointment for wales in the six nations. they're beaten 13—9 by france, who remain on course for the grand slam.
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in weather, it is a windy weekend, gail is at times, especially in the west and although there will be rain or showers around at times, it is not wet all the time. the weekend weather is on the way. —— gales. it's saturday 12th march. our top story: russian troops are pushing forward into new areas of ukraine, edging closer to kyiv. air raid sirens have sounded in the capital and there are reports that heavy shelling has been heard. the ukrainian government says that russian attacks have again prevented people from escaping the southern port city of mariupol, where conditions are becoming increasingly desperate. jon donnison reports. in the forests outside keefe, a firefight as ukrainian soldiers take on russian troops. in some areas, the enemy is less than ten miles from the centre of the capitalmacro
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three on the road to the town of bucha, the streets are almost deserted. but 72—year—old anatoly is risking his life, out looking for petrol. "everything is destroyed," he says. "there is no electricity or gas." "it is very cold in the house," he goes on. from the air, north—west of kyiv, you can make out houses on fire after coming under attack. as well as a small airport. dnipro, in the centre of ukraine, was previously considered safe but it is no longer the case. the city of almost i it is no longer the case. the city of almosti million people bombed for the first time since the conflict began. "we did not ask them to come and save us," irina says, as she cleans up some of the damage. "we were doing fine in our own
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country." some of the worst russian showing has come at night. this is the southern city of mecca live on the southern city of mecca live on the black sea. at a local hospital, many of the injured are too fragile to be moved to safety and doctors here say they want a no—fly zone. we here say they want a no-fly zone. we cannot here say they want a no—fly zone. - cannot work under the bombs, under the rockets. it's dangerous. you want a no-fly — the rockets. it's dangerous. you want a no-fly zone _ the rockets. it's dangerous. you want a no—fly zone enforced? the rockets. it's dangerous. you i want a no-fly zone enforced? yes, es, of want a no-fly zone enforced? yes, yes. of course- _ want a no-fly zone enforced? yes, yes, of course. further— want a no-fly zone enforced? yes, yes, of course. further east, - want a no-fly zone enforced? yes, yes, of course. further east, the l yes, of course. further east, the ci of yes, of course. further east, the city of mariunol_ yes, of course. further east, the city of mariupol continues - yes, of course. further east, the city of mariupol continues to - yes, of course. further east, the city of mariupol continues to be l city of mariupol continues to be besieged. overnight, resident zelensky said there will be another attempt to allow civilians to escape. translation: attempt to allow civilians to esca e. translation: ., ._ , , ., escape. translation: today, russian troo -s also escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted _ escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted the _ escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted the work- escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted the work of - troops also disrupted the work of most humanitarian corridors but despite everything, 711a people were saved from hostomel, costa bee gee, these are 711m reasons to try to organise evacuation for ukrainians from the besieged cities tomorrow
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and the day after tomorrow. ukraine's international allies are continuing to ramp up sanctions and there have been further warnings to russia about the use of chemical weapons. russia about the use of chemical wea ons. , . russia about the use of chemical weaons. , . ., ., ., weapons. direct confrontation between nato _ weapons. direct confrontation between nato and _ weapons. direct confrontation between nato and russia - weapons. direct confrontation between nato and russia is i weapons. direct confrontation - between nato and russia is world war iii. something we must strive to prevent. but we already know what a prudent�*s war against ukraine will never be a victory. we hope to dominant before he hoped to dominate ukraine without a fight. he dominant before he hoped to dominate ukraine without a fight.— ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, _ ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, the _ ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, the refugee - ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, the refugee crisis i all the while, the refugee crisis continues to grow as the russians widen their assault, less of ukraine is safe and more families feel they have no choice but to leave. jon donnison, bbc news. so far, more than 2.5 million refugees have fled ukraine with more expected to leave in the coming days. more than half of those who have left are now in poland, where local people are providing accommodation, food and other support.
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our reporter danjohnson is at krakow train station for us this morning, where a huge relief effort is under way. good morning. massive relief effort under way. dan, some of the larger cities are struggling to cope with the numbers of people arriving, aren't they? things are getting really difficult and we've come back to krakow relay station because it is the hub for the entire relief effort. this is where everybody arrives from the border, from ukraine, getting off trains and this is sort of the staging post. there are groups, charities, organisations trying to find people beds, eitherfor a night or a couple of nights, and trying to find longer term options so there is an enormous throughput of people here, an enormous turnover and although people are moving on and being found beds, whatever keep arriving so the scene keeps repeating itself so that's why the faces are different, the stories are remarkably similar. let's talk to
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allah, one of the co—ordinators here in charge of the off—spin who is trying to find people accommodation and beds. what is the level of pressure been like in the last 2a hours? pressure been like in the last 24 hours? . , pressure been like in the last 24 hours? ., , ., , ., , hours? the last 24 hours was quiet. quite, of course. _ hours? the last 24 hours was quiet. quite, of course. we _ hours? the last 24 hours was quiet. quite, of course. we were - hours? the last 24 hours was quiet. quite, of course. we were building l quite, of course. we were building the system — quite, of course. we were building the system of help. we find a place for people — the system of help. we find a place for people to sleep, a place where they can _ for people to sleep, a place where they can eat but we need the help of they can eat but we need the help of the country — they can eat but we need the help of the country-— the country. other countries? to move peeple _ the country. other countries? to move people long? _ the country. other countries? to move people long? to _ the country. other countries? to move people long? to move - the country. other countries? to i move people long? to move people the country. other countries? to - move people long? to move people on because this — move people long? to move people on because this place _ move people long? to move people on because this place is _ move people long? to move people on because this place is not _ move people long? to move people on because this place is not comfort - because this place is not comfort fold because this place is not comfort told them — because this place is not comfort fold them. of because this place is not comfort fold them-— because this place is not comfort fold them. , , ., fold them. of course, people have been sleeping _ fold them. of course, people have been sleeping in _ fold them. of course, people have been sleeping in the _ fold them. of course, people have been sleeping in the station, - been sleeping in the station, haven't they? how many more people are you prepared for? mats? haven't they? how many more people
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are you prepared for?— haven't they? how many more people are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 peeple _ are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 people and — are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 people and it _ are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 people and it is... _ are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 people and it is... it - are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 people and it is... it is - are you prepared for? now in krakow, 18,000 people and it is... it is a - 18,000 people and it is... it is a lot of peeple _ 18,000 people and it is... it is a lot of people for _ 18,000 people and it is... it is a lot of people for a _ 18,000 people and it is... it is a lot of people for a relatively - lot of people for a relatively small. thank you, we really appreciate your time. it is an enormous unintelligible and the scene kept repeating themselves and there are no monthly save images here, even though it is a hugely positive effort. inaudible attached to it, something like the trafford centre. you have british people staggering back from nights out and clubs. but this is the realfront line of this crisis and the expectation that even though these refugees might be found a bed tonight, they may move on, but no more will arrive on the trains turning up here all the time throughout the day. dan johnson there. throughout the day. dan johnson there- let's _ throughout the day. dan johnson there. let's go _ throughout the day. dan johnson there. let's go back— throughout the day. dan johnson there. let's go back to _ throughout the day. dan johnson there. let's go back to the - there. let's go back to the offensive itself now. one area where the russian advance
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on the ground has made progress is in the south of ukraine. russian forces have captured the city of kherson and are pushing west, but the city of mykolaiv stands in their way. while ukraine's forces are holding fast, the city has suffered extensive damage. andrew harding has this report. a snowstorm in the walls towards the ukrainian city that is blocking the russian advance. civilians gather on the outskirts of mykolaiv, fleeing the outskirts of mykolaiv, fleeing the madness. you're worried about the madness. you're worried about the bombs and artillery? yes. the madness. you're worried about the bombs and artillery?— the bombs and artillery? yes, yes, it's also very _ the bombs and artillery? yes, yes, it's also very loud, _ the bombs and artillery? yes, yes, it's also very loud, especially - the bombs and artillery? yes, yes, it's also very loud, especially at. it's also very loud, especially at night. it's also very loud, especially at ni . ht. ., it's also very loud, especially at niuht. ., ., ., , ,, ., , night. loud and deadly. the russians aret in: night. loud and deadly. the russians are trying to — night. loud and deadly. the russians are trying to blast — night. loud and deadly. the russians are trying to blast a _ night. loud and deadly. the russians are trying to blast a path _ night. loud and deadly. the russians are trying to blast a path through - are trying to blast a path through the city in order to seize the whole black sea coast. but mykolaiv is proving obstinate. wejust heard
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some artillery in the distance and an air raid siren so we will suit up. you too, in a cellar, volunteers follow the example set by millions of ukrainians nationwide, forming a diy army. it's plates for body arms what we made from our factory. it's really heavy but it's good. that defiance is echoed by the local governor, who tells us the russians are actually in retreat here, for now. we pulled the enemy back from the borders of our city, from about 15—20 kilometres in the southern and western part. for now, they are almost surrounded. we are attacking them. so, from your perspective, you are winning this war? you know, we are winning this fight, but not this war. not winning the war. at the local morgue, it's a struggle to keep up with the bodies — soldiers and civilians alike out in the cold.
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some survivors here are still too frail to be moved to safer ground. 250 casualties in under a fortnight. what would you say to the world? to the world? what is your message? close our sky, close our sky. we cannot work under the bombs, under the rockets. it's dangerous. you want a no—fly zone enforced by the west? yes, yes, of course. in the meantime, the russians stick to theirfamiliar routine — shock and horror, almost no weapons too gruesome, no target off limits. the fear in civilian neighbourhoods like this one is that this is just the start. that because russian ground troops are being blocked from sweeping through this city, they will now do what they have done in so many other parts of ukraine and simply intensify their aerial bombardments. and then what? this woman survived, but her
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city's fate remains unclear. andrew harding, bbc news, mykolaiv. as andrew said that was the situation in mykolaiv and there are a number of new names that we are hearing, it being affected so let's look at the map. this impression that russia is widening the offensive and now attacking previously unaffected cities such as dnipro. so at least one person when i was killed when air strikes hit a factory and damage —— damaged blocks of flats there. we can speak now to kateryna malofieieva, a journalist based there. thank you very much for speaking to us. you are a journalist in dnipro. what is happening? what does it look like? ., ._ what is happening? what does it look like? ., ., , ., like? today for the second day in a row we heard _ like? today for the second day in a row we heard the _ like? today for the second day in a row we heard the explosions, - like? today for the second day in a l row we heard the explosions, similar but these are much closer to me and much louder. but according to
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luminary information so far, there was no damage. it wasjust luminary information so far, there was no damage. it was just an interception of the two missiles by the ukrainian defence air system. until yesterday, we still did not believe that something could happen because dnipro was in a relatively safe zone, located, has very good geolocation so, you know, we were travelling around to the frontline areas but it was safe to here but unfortunately, yesterday's exchange and today, we can hear it, the situation is continuing. i assume in the short period of time, there might be another escalation, another bomb soon. figs might be another escalation, another bomb soon. �* , . might be another escalation, another bomb soon. ., ., , might be another escalation, another bomb soon-— bomb soon. as a “ournalist, i know we've bomb soon. as a “ournalist, i know we been _ bomb soon. as a journalist, i know we've been told obviously - bomb soon. as a journalist, i know we've been told obviously you - bomb soon. as a journalist, i know| we've been told obviously you have families in the donetsk region which is controlled by russia. how has that affected your reporting? it
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affected my reporting both positively and negatively. firstly, i know it sounds a little bit strange, weird, from my side but i got used to the shelling for two years, from 2014—16, i lived in the situation of the permanent shelling, living in donetsk, shelling from both sides of the conflict, so when this started ten days ago on the ground, i was in a way more prepared than other people so i know that that sounds terrible but actually, it sounds even worse for people like me who lost their home in 2014 so it kind of is a double trauma because i see the scenes over and over again so i leave —— see people leaving at the train stations to depart for a safe place and with damaged cars and people living in their sellers, shelters, so basically i have seen
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this before but what is difficult to comprehend and difficult to measure is that we have to deal with these things again so this is how it affects me and of course, i'm worried about my parents, especially when there is no connection, has been no connection with donetsk for four years. been no connection with donetsk for fouryears. i been no connection with donetsk for four years. i have not been in touch with my parents, even via skype, so it's difficult, especially considering the frontline in the donetsk area, luhansk is also moving. we are hearing about explosions and shelling in big cities like kharkiv, the outskirts of kyiv as the seizure of maria pole and explosions in dnipro but you need to understand those areas in the donetsk— luhansk region are in constant fighting —— mariupol. experience this over over again. this is mykolaiv, donetsk, they are
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under fire at the moment and the situation is bad as well there. you covered the _ situation is bad as well there. you covered the conflict in dom bess and have been since 2014. when you look now as to what is happening now, did you expect this? —— donbas. was this an eventuality that was inevitable? no, i did not expected. i mean, it's difficult, honestly, simply because you have started your life, you know, started your life and tried to build your life but then suddenly, the ground is going out of your feet and you understand that you need to start your life again because i could not imagine that it would happen. i mean, iassumed that ukraine could sacrifice donbas or crimea but i would not imagine that now, many cities in the whole ukraine would be under shelling and we will experience we have
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experienced back then in 2014— 2016. so, no, it's impossible to imagine that. �* ., , ., so, no, it's impossible to imagine that. �* ., , ., that. along will you stay you are? -- how long- _ that. along will you stay you are? -- how long. this is _ that. along will you stay you are? -- how long. this is my— that. along will you stay you are? -- how long. this is my job, - that. along will you stay you are? -- how long. this is myjob, i- that. along will you stay you are? -- how long. this is myjob, i am| -- how long. this is my “ob, i am prepared — -- how long. this is my “ob, i am prepared fort -- how long. this is my “ob, i am prepared for this, _ -- how long. this is my “ob, i am prepared for this, i _ -- how long. this is myjob, i am prepared for this, i know- -- how long. this is myjob, i am prepared for this, i know how - -- how long. this is myjob, i am prepared for this, i know how to l prepared for this, i know how to operate in the war zones, i have skills that can differentiate the sound of the shelling, what type of weapon is used, i know how to assess the risks as well, but what is more important, i know how to tell the story about people, ukrainian people, ukrainian people that speak russian. i know their background, i know what stories to cover and how to approach it, because it is also important that these people, they experience trauma right now, so it is very important to be sensible when you do interviews with them, not to harm them. so of course i
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don't have... i am a journalist and this is myjob and i will keep reporting from here. for this is my job and i will keep reporting from here. for that, we are grateful _ reporting from here. for that, we are grateful also _ reporting from here. for that, we are grateful also good _ reporting from here. for that, we are grateful also good luck - reporting from here. for that, we are grateful also good luck to - reporting from here. for that, we | are grateful also good luck to you, and thank you so much for talking to us here on bbc breakfast. that is kateryna malofieieva who is a journalist in dnipro. let's talk for a bit about those people who are leaving ukraine. further details about a sponsorship scheme to allow ukrainian refugees without family links to the uk to come here are expected to be announced on monday. the government has come under criticism for being too slow to put measures in place. jayne mccubbin has been to meet people in north yorkshire who are taking matters into their own hands to help those fleeing ukraine. we feel exactly as every other village, town and city in the uk feel. we want to help. i village, town and city in the uk feel. we want to help.- village, town and city in the uk feel. we want to help. i watch the news with absolute _ feel. we want to help. i watch the news with absolute horror. - feel. we want to help. i watch the news with absolute horror. just i feel. we want to help. i watch the l news with absolute horror. just over news with absolute horror. just over two weeks _ news with absolute horror. just over two weeks ago they were living in
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normal— two weeks ago they were living in normal circumstances like we are. i think— normal circumstances like we are. i think the _ normal circumstances like we are. i think the government's response has been woefully pitiful. it is practically _ been woefully pitiful. it is practically non-existent, | been woefully pitiful. it is practically non—existent, really, isn't _ practically non—existent, really, isn't it? — practically non—existent, really, isn't it? lt— practically non-existent, really, isn't it? , . , isn't it? it is pathetic. there is no response. _ isn't it? it is pathetic. there is no response, there _ isn't it? it is pathetic. there is no response, there is - isn't it? it is pathetic. there is no response, there is no - isn't it? it is pathetic. there is| no response, there is no active isn't it? it is pathetic. there is - no response, there is no active risk wants. m, , no response, there is no active risk wants. ~.,, , , no response, there is no active risk wants. ~ , , ., wants. most definitely there is more that could be — wants. most definitely there is more that could be done. _ wants. most definitely there is more that could be done. these _ wants. most definitely there is more that could be done. these are - wants. most definitely there is more that could be done. these are the i that could be done. these are the residents of _ that could be done. these are the residents of talk _ that could be done. these are the residents of talk with, _ that could be done. these are the residents of talk with, a _ that could be done. these are the residents of talk with, a small- residents of talk with, a small village in yorkshire which is supporting the ball down of milena backin supporting the ball down of milena back in poland which is a self—supporting roughly the same number of ukrainian refugees is the whole of the uk. the number of ukrainian refugees is the whole of the uk.— number of ukrainian refugees is the whole of the uk. the general public, god bless them, _ whole of the uk. the general public, god bless them, are _ whole of the uk. the general public, god bless them, are trying - whole of the uk. the general public, god bless them, are trying to - whole of the uk. the general public, god bless them, are trying to do - god bless them, are trying to do the right thing. we god bless them, are trying to do the rirht thin. ~ . god bless them, are trying to do the rirht thin. . ., , god bless them, are trying to do the rirrhtthin.~ . , . right thing. we are sending direct aid, cash directly _ right thing. we are sending direct aid, cash directly to _ right thing. we are sending direct aid, cash directly to poland, - right thing. we are sending direct aid, cash directly to poland, andl aid, cash directly to poland, and that seems— aid, cash directly to poland, and that seems to be the only way we, community— that seems to be the only way we, community to community, can help. introduce _ community to community, can help. introduce yourself, andrew. | community to community, can help. introduce yourself, andrew. i am andrew, introduce yourself, andrew. i am andrew. 55 _ introduce yourself, andrew. i am andrew, 55 years _ introduce yourself, andrew. i am andrew, 55 years old. _ introduce yourself, andrew. i am andrew, 55 years old. hi, - introduce yourself, andrew. i am andrew, 55 years old. hi, guys. i introduce yourself, andrew. i am i andrew, 55 years old. hi, guys. this
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is where doc — andrew, 55 years old. hi, guys. this is where doc with _ andrew, 55 years old. hi, guys. this is where doc with pollock _ andrew, 55 years old. hi, guys. this is where doc with pollock first - is where doc with pollock first £5,000 donation has gone. i just is where doc with pollock first £5,000 donation has gone. i 'ust got ermission £5,000 donation has gone. i 'ust got permission from i £5,000 donation has gone. i 'ust got permission from the h £5,000 donation has gone. i 'ust got permission from the family _ £5,000 donation has gone. ijust got permission from the family to - £5,000 donation has gone. ijust got permission from the family to film i permission from the family to film in the flat. this is a little one. a family of six kids and a mum and they have moved in. hi. family of six kids and a mum and they have moved in.— family of six kids and a mum and they have moved in. hi, angela. and he has taken — they have moved in. hi, angela. and he has taken a _ they have moved in. hi, angela. and he has taken a family _ they have moved in. hi, angela. and he has taken a family of— they have moved in. hi, angela. and he has taken a family of seven - he has taken a family of seven ukrainians into his flat. this group of expert friends are taking in more. ., , , ., , more. four big rooms and he is equipping _ more. four big rooms and he is equipping them _ more. four big rooms and he is equipping them with _ more. four big rooms and he is equipping them with bunk- more. four big rooms and he is equipping them with bunk bedsj more. four big rooms and he is i equipping them with bunk beds in every room with some of the money that was sent over. britain is not doing anything. britain as a country is not doing anything, enough. my friends have reached out.- is not doing anything, enough. my friends have reached out. around 900 rerrees friends have reached out. around 900 refugees are — friends have reached out. around 900 refugees are now _ friends have reached out. around 900 refugees are now housed _ friends have reached out. around 900 refugees are now housed in _ friends have reached out. around 900 refugees are now housed in the - friends have reached out. around 900 refugees are now housed in the town l refugees are now housed in the town with old effort co—ordinated by local volunteers at the local fire station. , ., , ., station. the phone is ringing all the time. they _ station. the phone is ringing all the time. they have _ station. the phone is ringing all the time. they have done - station. the phone is ringing all the time. they have done a - station. the phone is ringing all - the time. they have done a brilliant job. the time. they have done a brilliant 'ob. , , ~ the time. they have done a brilliant 'ob. , , ,, ., , job. this is the kind of help some here in the _ job. this is the kind of help some here in the uk _ job. this is the kind of help some here in the uk are _ job. this is the kind of help some here in the uk are eager and - job. this is the kind of help some j here in the uk are eager and able to provide. matthew, tell me about your business. we
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provide. matthew, tell me about your business. ~ . provide. matthew, tell me about your business. . ., ., business. we are based in rural oxfordshire _ business. we are based in rural oxfordshire and _ business. we are based in rural oxfordshire and we _ business. we are based in rural oxfordshire and we are - business. we are based in rural oxfordshire and we are 135 - business. we are based in rural- oxfordshire and we are 135 people. we make the most delicious ice cream and we _ we make the most delicious ice cream and we are _ we make the most delicious ice cream and we are 55 people. find we make the most delicious ice cream and we are 55 people.— and we are 55 people. and you want to hel? and we are 55 people. and you want to help? we — and we are 55 people. and you want to help? we are _ and we are 55 people. and you want to help? we are a _ and we are 55 people. and you want to help? we are a wealthy - and we are 55 people. and you want. to help? we are a wealthy nation and should stand — to help? we are a wealthy nation and should stand by _ to help? we are a wealthy nation and should stand by the _ to help? we are a wealthy nation and should stand by the people _ to help? we are a wealthy nation and should stand by the people of- should stand by the people of ukraine _ should stand by the people of ukraine. �* ., ., , should stand by the people of ukraine. ., , , , ,, , ukraine. both of these businesses have signed _ ukraine. both of these businesses have signed up — ukraine. both of these businesses have signed up to _ ukraine. both of these businesses have signed up to a _ ukraine. both of these businesses have signed up to a scheme - ukraine. both of these businesses have signed up to a scheme to - have signed up to a scheme to sponsor a refugees in the uk. stand have signed up to a scheme to sponsor a refugees in the uk. and if the government _ sponsor a refugees in the uk. and if the government policy _ sponsor a refugees in the uk. and if the government policy will- sponsor a refugees in the uk. and if the government policy will change sufficiently to allow people that are in _ sufficiently to allow people that are in desperate need to come into this country, then we stand ready to help in_ this country, then we stand ready to help in whatever way possible, whether— help in whatever way possible, whether that is employment, whether it is sponsorship, or whether it is 'ust it is sponsorship, or whether it is just being — it is sponsorship, or whether it is just being actually helping hand to some _ just being actually helping hand to some of— just being actually helping hand to some of these people that are coming over~ _ some of these people that are coming over~ we _ some of these people that are coming over. we stand ready.— over. we stand ready. imagine if we were in that — over. we stand ready. imagine if we were in that situation. _ over. we stand ready. imagine if we were in that situation. we _ over. we stand ready. imagine if we were in that situation. we would - were in that situation. we would want our neighbours to help and support, and i think that is the whole point of this. ukraine is our neighbour and we can help and we should. but neighbour and we can help and we should. �* , .. �* neighbour and we can help and we should. �* , �* i neighbour and we can help and we should-_ i call- neighbour and we can help and we should._ i call the i
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should. but they can't. i call the home secretary. _ should. but they can't. i call the home secretary. this _ should. but they can't. i call the home secretary. this was - should. but they can't. i call the home secretary. this was priti l should. but they can't. i call the - home secretary. this was priti patel 12 da s home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago- — home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago. making _ home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago. making a _ home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago. making a success - home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago. making a success of. 12 days ago. making a success of the new humanitarian _ 12 days ago. making a success of the new humanitarian success _ 12 days ago. making a success of the new humanitarian success pathway l new humanitarian success pathway will require a national effort from the entire — will require a national effort from the entire country. mr speaker, our country— the entire country. mr speaker, our country will — the entire country. mr speaker, our country will rise to that challenge. but the _ country will rise to that challenge. but the scheme still hasn't launched. yesterday the home secretary said more details would be given this monday stop give me... people like gavin are frustrated. i am the manager of the football club. what looking to do is provide accommodation, work to ukrainian nationals, pay forflights, visas, get people to safety. nationals, pay for flights, visas, get people to safety.— get people to safety. have you investigated _ get people to safety. have you investigated whether - get people to safety. have you investigated whether or - get people to safety. have you investigated whether or not. get people to safety. have you | investigated whether or not this is even feasible?— investigated whether or not this is even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it, _ even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it. it _ even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it, it was _ even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it, it was probably... - even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it, it was probably... to i looked at it, it was probably... to register to come out, a sponsor,
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which is will probably take a lot longer. they have to open up the doors to make it far easier and what they have done. they say all the right things but they are not doing it. in right things but they are not doing it. ., . ., right things but they are not doing it. in the face of desperation, the uk has been _ it. in the face of desperation, the uk has been accused _ it. in the face of desperation, the uk has been accused of - it. in the face of desperation, the uk has been accused of being - it. in the face of desperation, thej uk has been accused of being too slow, too hardhearted, too bureaucratic. but plenty of uk citizens are equally desperate to help. jayne mccubbin, bbc news. more coverage of events throughout the morning this morning. right now, it will bring us right up to date with the weather. good morning. changeable weather on the way, there will be showers around at times. it is going to be blustery this weekend, gales in western areas. there will also be some dry and sunny moments around at times as well. this is what we are dealing
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with this morning. cloud and rain and clearing northwards, this one coming into the south—west later with rain and stronger wind as well. for many, the weather improving through this morning because we will see this area of cloud and rain across much of uk at the moment, gradually pushing northwards. clearing from northern scotland. it brightens up in many places, sunny spells and scattered showers but the weather goes downhill later as the next wet and windy weather system moves into south—west england and south—west wales. as for temperatures, they are a nudge down on yesterday, nine to 13 celsius. let's focus on that area of wet and windy weather moving in towards the south—west and we could see the wind gust around the aisles of scilly, cornwall. 50 to 60, possibly disruptive gust of wind may be disrupting transport and travel for a time. wet weather will also move across northern ireland, wales into
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western scotland, leaving the eastern side of the uk overnight mainly drive with some clear spells. could wealthy an area of rain slowly pushing northwards. mild foremost, though northwest scotland, clear spells that could be a touch frost around here. for part two of the weekend, here is a wet and windy weather system pushing north across western areas where it will be windiest to tomorrow, but windy across the board. overnight rain clearing eastwards through the morning. showers following behind. in the morning this is where the overnight rain will be sitting. that has to clear through eastern england and scotland, beginning as it does so. back into sunny spells but also scattered heavy and possibly thundery showers. mainly northern ireland western scotland with some longer spells of rain, widely windy tomorrow. these other wind gusts. windiest in northern ireland and western scotland, still potentially 50 to 60 miles an hour. temperatures a nudge down in wales and england, but then again there are those sunny
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spells around occasionally along with those scattered heavy showers as we go through the afternoon. another touch of frost overnight and into monday across southern areas with some clear spells, and in the week ahead not much difference in the feel of the weather across the northern half of the uk, and certainly during the first half of the week there will be some areas of rain around. to the south and particularly the further south you are, it made us feel quite springlike for a time, very little rain reaching you. that is how we can look. the weekend, changeable, but importantly, not wet all the time. to you. —— back to you. it was a disappointing evening for wales in the six nations. they were beaten 13—9 by france at the principality stadium. it at the principality stadium. was tense. we were ch the it was tense. we were chatting about the atmosphere. it really is superb. it was friday night back to the six nations in cardiff, first time in five years it has been on a friday
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night encarta. a bit of disappointment for wales. they lost the match, and france otherform they held themselves really well. a disappointing night for wales in the six nations. they were beaten in a brilliant match. it's played four, won four for the french who remain on course for the grand slam. tomos dafydd was there. it may not have been full, but there is always an electric atmosphere at the prince about a stadium for the whales knew they couldn't start slowly, but they handed france the advantage within ten minutes cantering over in the corner. wales managed to stay in the game next to the accurate kicking of the captain, seemingly happy his team within a point of france at halftime. after the break, this edged france four points ahead. but the visitors did
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not have it all their own way stop frustrated by wales, france forced them to make errors. males were putting france under pressure, the biggest kick on the wing. jonathan davis with the try line invitingly close failed to get hold of the ball. frustration for wales, close failed to get hold of the ball. frustration forwales, france hung on. i ball. frustration for wales, france hunr on. . , ., ., ball. frustration for wales, france hunron. . , ., ., ., , hung on. i am so proud of the lads in terms of — hung on. i am so proud of the lads in terms of how— hung on. i am so proud of the lads in terms of how well— hung on. i am so proud of the lads in terms of how well they - hung on. i am so proud of the lads in terms of how well they stuck to | in terms of how well they stuck to it again probably the form team in world rugby at the minute, so we are really, really pleased with the effort. that is a bit more like us in terms of the attitude and probably something we didn't quite show against england and ireland in the last few games. ultimately, like you said, when you play against big teams and good teams and tight test matches, one or two moments, we didn't quite get on the right side of it. its. didn't quite get on the right side of it. �* ., . ., , didn't quite get on the right side ofit. �* ., . .,y ., didn't quite get on the right side ofit. ., ., .,. of it. a fourth victory for france. the are of it. a fourth victory for france. they are going _ of it. a fourth victory for france. they are going for— of it. a fourth victory for france. they are going for the grand - of it. a fourth victory for france. i they are going for the grand slam. standing in their way, england they are going for the grand slam. standing in theirway, england in paris next weekend. tomos dafydd, bbc news, cardiff.
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there are two more games today. later, england host ireland at twickenham and are hoping maro itoje recovers from illness. but first up are scotland, who'll be aiming for maximum points when they tackle wooden spoon specialists italy in rome. the scots' report so far reads "could do better" having beaten england on the opening weekend before losing to wales and then being thumped by france. an intriguing last day beckons in the first test between west indies and england in antigua. on another rain—interrupted day, zac crawley coped superbly with the elements and the west indies bowlers, and will return to the crease later on 117. he'll be accompanied by skipper joe root who's fast approaching a century of his own. the tourists are 217/1, a lead of 153. to football now, and chelsea have had their credit card facilities temporarily suspended while banks assess the implications of the sanctions imposed on owner roman abramovich this week. the club has been given a licence to operate on a day—to—day basis despite the russian billionaire having his assets frozen.
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but ba rclayca rd wants to make its own assessment of the licence criteria to ensure it doesn't breach the uk government's sanctions. chelsea don't know when the suspension will be lifted. the former chelsea midfielder and now everton manager, frank lampard, says he cares about the people who might lose theirjobs at stamford bridge. he admits the club and its fans are in "a tough moment", but played down talk of a friendship with abramovic. one of the questions earlier said i am close to roman abramovich. i can probably count on one hand how many times i have seen him in the last many years. i worked for chelsea foot ballclub which was an absolute measure for 13 years. and that is exactly where i want to leave that one. now to tennis, and a stunning win for britain's harriet dart who beat former world number three elina svitolina from ukraine. and emma raducanu has moved into the third round at indian wells. she said it "meant a lot" to come through a tricky tie against caroline garcia of france.
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raducanu raced into a 3—0 lead and took the first set, but garcia was more dangerous in the second set, she broke raducanu three times before levelling the sets at 1—1. but raducanu fought back, and took the third set 6—1. the us open champion will play world number 79 petra martic of croatia in the next round. there we go. a win for andy murray as well, and he is donating all his prize—winning is to the ukraine charitable elements. very good. we will see you later on. thank you very much. the headlines are coming up.
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hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. good morning. it is just after half past six. here's a summary of today's main stories from bbc news. ringing you the latest with ukraine and everything happening overnight. jon donnison is here to run through the details. morning, naga, morning, charlie. the thing i think we've really noticed in the last 24 hours is how this conflict is spreading across ukraine as russia widens its assault. let's, as ever, start with the map. you can see when it pops up in a moment... the areas in red are those we think are now in russian control. the areas in red and white stripes are where russian forces are advancing. now, you'll notice we've got a lot
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more towns and cities featured on the map — that is because, as i say, the assault seems to be widening. yesterday, we had the cities of dnipro in the east and lutsk and ivano—frankivsk much further west being bombed for the first time. the russians have made most progress in the south. mariupol here remains completely under siege. this city of mykolaiv, strategically important in terms of access to the black sea, fierce fighting there. really being hit hard but with the ukrainians putting up strong resistance. you might have seen andrew harding's report from their earlier in the programme. zooming in now. this is bucha, just outside kyiv. you can see the russian forces advancing, this is quiet but close to the frontline with a lot of destruction. i think in a moment we have some vision of some fierce
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fighting in the kyiv region, ukrainian soldiers here opening fire now on russian forces. we think in some parts the russians are less than ten miles from the centre of the capital. let's pull up more satellite images. here you can see an airport, some kind of refinery and residential here, some houses are on fire. this is all in the kyiv region and the fear is they could be some sort of assault on kyiv coming. all the while, the number of safe areas in ukraine shrink and the refugees and people leaving is increasing and you can see they are mostly heading west, holland taking the vast majority. 1.4 million so far. it's putting huge strain on both countries. president zelensky overnight was talking about the need for more ceasefires to set up these
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humanitarian corridors. especially down in the south—east in mariupol, the area we were talking little bit about later. now, sticking in mariupol, you will of course remember that alternative —— maternity hospital, ariana, heavily pregnant, and it is to get out alive but we have some good news, she has given birth yesterday to a little baby girl so charlie, naga, some good news. what a world to be born into, he? —— hey? now on breakfast, the bbc�*s world affairs editorjohn simpson examines how russia's military strategy
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in ukraine has fared. hello and thank you forjoining me for unspun world — the programme where we discuss the big questions with the bbc�*s large range of experts. what in ukraine grinds on and over russian forces have been pretty brutal, they haven't been all that successful so far. but let's think the unthinkable for a moment. if president putin actually seems to be failing, might he reach for his nuclear weapons? it is failing, might he reach for his nuclear weapons?— failing, might he reach for his nuclear weapons? failing, might he reach for his nuclear weaons? , ., . . nuclear weapons? it is a concern and it is a bigger — nuclear weapons? it is a concern and it is a bigger concern _ nuclear weapons? it is a concern and it is a bigger concern if _ nuclear weapons? it is a concern and it is a bigger concern if he _ nuclear weapons? it is a concern and it is a bigger concern if he feels - it is a bigger concern if he feels he is caged in and what might he do? in wartime governments usually get a boost from the public. this in wartime governments usually get a boost from the public.— boost from the public. this is particularly — boost from the public. this is particularly true _ boost from the public. this is particularly true of _ boost from the public. this is particularly true of the - boost from the public. this is | particularly true of the united states. ., , particularly true of the united states. ., _ ., particularly true of the united states. ., �* states. so, how is joe biden fearing? _ states. so, how is joe biden fearing? he _ states. so, how is joe biden fearing? he has _ states. so, how is joe biden fearing? he has assumed i states. so, how is joe biden fearing? he has assumed a| states. so, how is joe biden - fearing? he has assumed a mantle, states. so, how is joe biden _ fearing? he has assumed a mantle, he has cast himself _ fearing? he has assumed a mantle, he has cast himself within _ fearing? he has assumed a mantle, he has cast himself within this _ fearing? he has assumed a mantle, he has cast himself within this crisis - has cast himself within this crisis as the leader of the free world. stand as the leader of the free world. and while most —
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as the leader of the free world. and while most of _ as the leader of the free world. and while most of the world's countries have condemned russia's attack on ukraine, why have some african countries seen things vladimir putin's way?— countries seen things vladimir putin's wa ? ,, ., , ., , putin's way? russia is not 'ust the antithesis of i putin's way? russia is not 'ust the antithesis of the i putin's way? russia is not 'ust the antithesis of the west i putin's way? russia is not 'ust the antithesis of the west but i putin's way? russia is not just the antithesis of the west but it's - antithesis of the west but it's ringing a sort of... it's liberating african countries from western support or from western sort of dependency. support or from western sort of dependency-— support or from western sort of de-enden . �* ., , dependency. anyone who has seen russian troops _ dependency. anyone who has seen russian troops on _ dependency. anyone who has seen russian troops on the _ dependency. anyone who has seen russian troops on the battlefield i russian troops on the battlefield knows how terrifying they can be. bombing and shooting without discrimination. yet they may not be all that successful so far, despite the frightening weapons they can deploy. i thought the views of johnny beale, the bbc�*s defence correspondent. tsine johnny beale, the bbc's defence correspondent.— johnny beale, the bbc's defence corres-ondent. , ., ., ., correspondent. one explanation given to me b a correspondent. one explanation given to me by a senior— correspondent. one explanation given to me by a senior defence _ correspondent. one explanation given to me by a senior defence official - to me by a senior defence official was president putin thought he had
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the army he had seen on parade in red square, the victory day parade, and what he has got, in fact, is an army, a military that has been ill prepared for battle, so we have seen basic problems, logistics, convoys running out of fuel, troops not getting russians. ithink running out of fuel, troops not getting russians. i think more than that, we have seen, you know, questions about their morale, there will to fight. and, you know, there is, i have been told, evidence that lots of those russian forces really did think they were going on a military exercise only to be told at a later time, just before the invasion, that in fact they were going to be invading a country, a neighbour. and the other thing is, you know, they did not expect the resistance that they are facing. they did really believe that they would be welcomed, largely with open arms. ., ., “ would be welcomed, largely with open arms. ., ., ,., ~ , arms. how do you think putin is rroin to arms. how do you think putin is going to run _ arms. how do you think putin is going to run this _ arms. how do you think putin is going to run this campaign - arms. how do you think putin isj going to run this campaign from arms. how do you think putin is - going to run this campaign from now on? i mean, is it going to be heavy bombardment of the cities?-
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bombardment of the cities? we've seen that, haven't _ bombardment of the cities? we've seen that, haven't we? _ bombardment of the cities? we've seen that, haven't we? seen - bombardment of the cities? we've seen that, haven't we? seen the l seen that, haven't we? seen the indiscriminate bombing and let's remember all of those, you know, multiple rocket launchers, they have gotten huge numbers. one of the surprising things about this war is, you know, russia had outnumbered ukraine's air force three — one and they have not been able to dominate they have not been able to dominate the air yet. the expectation is that they will dominate the skies eventually. but they will bombard those cities and that there will be lots of civilian casualties. and president putin, does he care about civilian casualties? the president putin, does he care about civilian casualties?— civilian casualties? the evidence su~ rests civilian casualties? the evidence suggests not- — civilian casualties? the evidence suggests not. he's _ civilian casualties? the evidence suggests not. he's got, - civilian casualties? the evidence suggests not. he's got, of- civilian casualties? the evidence l suggests not. he's got, of course, both tactical and strategic nuclear weapons. both tactical and strategic nuclear wea rons. , �* both tactical and strategic nuclear wea-ons. , �* ~' , both tactical and strategic nuclear wea-ons. n ~ , ., , weapons. isn't putin likely to use them at some — weapons. isn't putin likely to use them at some stage? _ weapons. isn't putin likely to use them at some stage? if- weapons. isn't putin likely to use them at some stage? if he - weapons. isn't putin likely to use them at some stage? if he doesl weapons. isn't putin likely to use i them at some stage? if he does not get what he wants, could he do something irrational? immensely destructive? and because, you know, notjust panic in the region by panic in the world? i think it is
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hard to know. i think there is a concern that if this doesn't go his way, what would president putin is a caged animal who has been isolated internationally, you know, his economy is going south because of the sanctions, if the military operation does not go according to plan, signs are russians are regrouping and they are determined to make a go, according to plan, but if those all fail, then he has tactical weapons, if those all fail, then he has tacticalweapons, in if those all fail, then he has tactical weapons, in other words weapons that can be used on the battlefield and he has those strategic nuclear weapons. they have had good intelligence about what the russians up to on the ground so far in the west and they would have an indication if tactical nuclear weapons were being brought onto the battlefield and being prepared to be used, and they would certainly have an advance warning about the use of strategic long—range ballistic missiles, nuclear missiles. so i
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think that is a concern but i don't want to up the anti—on this either. because everybody knows that is a place most normal people do not need to go ——up the ante. lpigl’hazit place most normal people do not need to go "up the ante-— to go --up the ante. what about the su alies to go --up the ante. what about the su -lies of to go --up the ante. what about the supplies of weapons _ to go --up the ante. what about the supplies of weapons to _ to go --up the ante. what about the supplies of weapons to ukraine - to go --up the ante. what about the supplies of weapons to ukraine by i supplies of weapons to ukraine by western or nato countries? i mean, it's quite a difficult line to tread, that, isn't it?- it's quite a difficult line to tread, that, isn't it? you are providing — tread, that, isn't it? you are providing ukraine _ tread, that, isn't it? you are providing ukraine with - tread, that, isn't it? you are i providing ukraine with defensive weapons, that's what nato says. i think one thing struck me recently is the amount of weapons they are supplying. so we're talking about thousands and thousands of anti—tank missiles, weapons, thousands of, you know, tons of ammunition, rifles, anti—tank mines, as well as medical supplies and russians, so it could make a difference. and it certainly can make a difference if the fighting happens in an urban area. but you still need an army who knows how to use them. and ukraine is
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facing a much bigger enemy. you other bbc's _ facing a much bigger enemy. you other bbc's defence correspondent and you know what going on. you as a person, are you scared at the moment? what do you think "we will get through this, like we got through everything else"? i’ee get through this, like we got through everything else"? i've gone to, ou through everything else"? i've gone to. you know. _ through everything else"? i've gone to, you know, i've _ through everything else"? i've gone to, you know, i've done... - through everything else"? i've gone to, you know, i've done... many. i to, you know, i've done... many. i've been embedded in afghanistan, like you, i did them in most all and it was fierce fighting in the city. i remember. == it was fierce fighting in the city. i remember-— it was fierce fighting in the city. i remember. m, �* it was fierce fighting in the city. i remember. ~.,, ~ , i remember. -- mosul. and there is alwa s i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an — i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an element _ i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an element of _ i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an element of risk _ i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an element of risk but - i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an element of risk but it - i remember. -- mosul. and there is always an element of risk but it is i always an element of risk but it is something different with a war with russia. it's the weapons they use, the firepower they have, there's something scary about it. and, you know, it's scaring, frightening, putrefying people who live in ukraine the moment. —— putrefying. and you have to be honest, it would petrified me if i was there, too. in the united states, joe biden has not exactly had an easy presidency so
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far. he is always being accused of being doddery and his decision to pull his troops out of afghanistan last august was widely seen as a sign of american weakness. and yet, he has bounced back in this crisis and fewer people are questioning america's leadership of the west now. sarah smith, the bbc's north america editor.— america editor. broadly, american rublic are america editor. broadly, american public are supporting _ america editor. broadly, american public are supporting the - america editor. broadly, american public are supporting the fact - america editor. broadly, american public are supporting the fact that| public are supporting the fact that the us is standing up and taking some action, paired to pay the price of rising petrol prices as a result of rising petrol prices as a result of those functions —— prepared to plot pay. and the main problem that president biden will have with this is not only how to handle and absolutely tragic conflict but also, it means his domestic agenda has now been sidelined so his ability to deliver any meaningful change for american voters between now and the mid—term elections in november has been seriously limited by this but
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of course, the administration says its first priority is to try to do what they can for ukraine. but it seems, what they can for ukraine. but it seems. from — what they can for ukraine. but it seems, from a distance, as - what they can for ukraine. but it i seems, from a distance, as though what they can for ukraine. but it seems, from a distance, as though we have gone almost overnight from seeing president biden being portrayed as doddering to being a tough leader in a time of war. he has tough leader in a time of war. he: has assumed a mantle, cast himself within this crisis as the leader of the free world, basically. and his big pitch has been around unifying nato and the west. and he has put hours, weeks, days of work into the diplomacy to try to make that happen and nato, the uk, the eu, canada, australia, other allies are almost entirely united on their approach to ukraine— also than they have been for a long time. the us also quite carefully not going as far with the sanctions as they maybe were ready to until europe was ready to come with them as well and at the time of
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course when the previous administration, the trump administration, the trump administration, were not interested in nato, were more critical of it, and it does not mean there is not still criticism. i mean, a lot of people you speak to, and i've been out speaking to ordinary americans as well about how they feel and as well as saying they feel enormous compassion for people in ukraine, a lot of very quickly pointing to the chaotic us withdrawal from afghanistan. and saying that is your weakness on the world stage and probably gave putin the idea that america might not push back as hard as it has if he were to do something like this. so the last few weeks are very much been about recasting america's place on the world stage and showing that it is actually prepared to stand up in some fairly significant way. the one thing that the administration have been absolutely clear about is the direct us nato military involvement is not on the table because they can see very clearly that there is a
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possibility here of this escalating genuinely into a third world war. how much traction has donald trump that he would do so much better, they wouldn't have been an invasion in the first place, and so on if he had been president, do people listen to that? he had been president, do people listen to that? ., , had been president, do people listen to that? , had been president, do people listen to that? . , , , ., , , had been president, do people listen tothat? , , , to that? he has been emphasising as ou sa to that? he has been emphasising as you say that — to that? he has been emphasising as you say that he _ to that? he has been emphasising as you say that he would _ to that? he has been emphasising as you say that he would have _ to that? he has been emphasising as you say that he would have been i to that? he has been emphasising as you say that he would have been a i you say that he would have been a stronger leader, russia wouldn't take this action under him, pointing out that when president obama was president, russia invaded crimea, russia didn't take any action when he was president. in the former soviet union and now here we see what is happening here with ukraine under president biden. but that has been undermined by some of the other statements he made when he said this was a genius move from vladimir putin. ., , was a genius move from vladimir putin. . , .., was a genius move from vladimir putin. . , .. ., ., putin. finally, if it came down to the start of _ putin. finally, if it came down to the start of a _ putin. finally, if it came down to the start of a nuclear _ putin. finally, if it came down to the start of a nuclear exchange, | the start of a nuclear exchange, would biden have the backbone or whatever it would take to face down
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president putin?— president putin? they are taking very seriously — president putin? they are taking very seriously here _ president putin? they are taking very seriously here the _ president putin? they are taking very seriously here the threats i president putin? they are taking i very seriously here the threats that are being made, they are watching very, very carefully what is going on with brute involvement nuclear arsenal. as far as i can make out they do not actually consider that to be a serious threat at the moment, and the usa they have not changed their nuclear posture. they are ready for other kinds of attacks, though. they are definitely anxious about significant cyber attacks on the us, and starting to make very clear that that would be considered an attack. whether it would be met with a military response or cyber response, they are not prepared to say. the idea that putin is going to reach out beyond ukraine, whether it is to other nato countries on his western flank, whether it is an attack against the us, itself, that is being carefully played out every day here, and of course at the same time, we are seeing the world being remade in all sorts of ways as america responds to the sanctions raised, that it has
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instituted. of course everybody is worried about the price of oil as well as gas. there are talks going on with venezuela about supplying more oil. that is the country that the us was instituting economic sanctions against most recently, thatis sanctions against most recently, that is a country considered to be rush upon my fear of influence. there many, many ways in which this is breaking into the tentacles of global diplomacy. it is going to change the world in which we live, and that is before we even talk about the fact that of course one of the things they are most worried about here is that china feels involved at this moment to make a move on taiwan. has involved at this moment to make a move on taiwan.— involved at this moment to make a move on taiwan. as with many wars in recent times. — move on taiwan. as with many wars in recent times, there _ move on taiwan. as with many wars in recent times, there are _ move on taiwan. as with many wars in recent times, there are immense - recent times, there are immense amounts of disinformation and outright lies going the rounds about the war in ukraine. bbc 's monitoring service listens to it all, and keeps abreast of the bbc and other organisations up—to—date with what is being said. this is the
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head of the russian monitoring department. bill head of the russian monitoring department-— head of the russian monitoring de-artment. , ., , department. all these accusations that ukraine _ department. all these accusations that ukraine is _ department. all these accusations that ukraine is a _ department. all these accusations that ukraine is a source _ department. all these accusations that ukraine is a source of - department. all these accusations that ukraine is a source of many i that ukraine is a source of many evils, becoming more and more shrill and aggressive, they culminated in president putin's statement that ukraine is a state run by neo—nazis and drug addicts, which is a strange statement to make because president zelensky himself isjewish. it is a very good example of how words can kill. i am from eastern ukraine myself, i am a russian speaker and i don't think i have ever seen anything to suggest that russian speakers there were under threat from ukrainian speakers or any sort of right—wing extremist force. there of right-wing extremist force. there are --eole of right-wing extremist force. there are people in _ of right-wing extremist force. there are people in the — of right-wing extremist force. there are people in the west _ of right-wing extremist force. there are people in the west who - of right-wing extremist force. there are people in the west who do - of right—wing extremist force. there are people in the west who do point to extreme right—wing neo—nazi groups inside ukraine, but you are
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saying that they are of no consequence? it saying that they are of no consequence?— saying that they are of no consequence? saying that they are of no conseruence? , . ., consequence? it is crew that there were, or consequence? it is crew that there were. or have _ consequence? it is crew that there were, or have been _ consequence? it is crew that there were, or have been processions i consequence? it is crew that there i were, or have been processions that right—wing extremists exist in ukraine, but they exist in other places as well. i have been watching both russia and ukraine for more than 20 years. they don't exist as an organised force that can have an impact on the government. this is a force that has been invented by the kremlin was media machine to justify war in ukraine. kremlin was media machine to 'ustify war in ukraine.— war in ukraine. what are russians heafinr war in ukraine. what are russians hearing about _ war in ukraine. what are russians hearing about the _ war in ukraine. what are russians hearing about the losses - war in ukraine. what are russians hearing about the losses they i war in ukraine. what are russians hearing about the losses they are | hearing about the losses they are clearly suffering inside ukraine during the war? it is| computer-generated during the war? it 3 computer—generated footage, it is footage coming from computer games even. other military conflicts, nothing to do with russia and ukraine. so the messages, do not believe them. also, officials have been making efforts to undermine the very idea that civilians are being
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targeted in ukraine by saying that it is ukraine's fault. president putin himself said that it is western consultants particularly western co nsulta nts particularly american western consultants particularly american consultants who are telling the ukrainian military to place multiple launch rocket systems in city centres across ukraine to draw russian fire and then blame civilian casualties on russia stop you can see and hear uncensored information about the war in ukraine, but you have to be creative and resourceful and use various technical tools. is there a difficulty in being balanced, as the bbc should be? i am ve aware balanced, as the bbc should be? i am very aware of— balanced, as the bbc should be? i am very aware of the _ balanced, as the bbc should be? i am very aware of the fact _ balanced, as the bbc should be? i —n very aware of the fact that i am not paid to air my own personal views and grievances, so i do whatever i can to stay balanced, but my own personal knowledge of ukraine, i think it helps them understanding
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the reasoning and the purposes behind this messaging. what we have been seeing is clearly designed to undermine ukraine, all these claims are president is a lengthy being a drug addict or having fled or the ukrainian army about to surrender, let's face it, russian media messaging can be convincing, so unless you have lived in ukraine for a long time, you might be tempted to take it at face value. i got a long time, you might be tempted to take it at face value.— take it at face value. i got - that ou take it at face value. i got - that you have — take it at face value. i got - that you have got _ take it at face value. i got - that you have got a _ take it at face value. i got - that| you have got a ukrainian haircut, take it at face value. i got - that i you have got a ukrainian haircut, i see. it you have got a ukrainian haircut, i see. , ., you have got a ukrainian haircut, i see. , . ., ., ., ~ ., ., see. it is a traditional ukrainian cossack haircut. _ see. it is a traditional ukrainian cossack haircut. i— see. it is a traditional ukrainian cossack haircut. i am _ see. it is a traditional ukrainian cossack haircut. i am from - see. it is a traditional ukrainian cossack haircut. i am from the | see. it is a traditional ukrainian - cossack haircut. i am from the place where ukraine cossacks originated, and i am proudly wearing it. it is staying. when the united nations voted recently on whether to condemn russia's invasion of ukraine, the vote was pretty overwhelming. but some countries abstained, especially
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in africa stop true, nigeria and kenya voted against russia, but altogether, 18 other african countries refused to condemn russia, including south africa. why? i turned to beverly of bbc monitoring's africa service in nairobi. , , ., monitoring's africa service in nairobi. ,, ., monitoring's africa service in nairobi. ,, . , nairobi. russia has been making inroads in the _ nairobi. russia has been making inroads in the region, _ nairobi. russia has been making inroads in the region, whether. nairobi. russia has been making inroads in the region, whether it| nairobi. russia has been making i inroads in the region, whether it is through defence or diplomacy or media, and there was this fear of perhaps by diplomats of compromising the growing relationship. but perhaps by diplomats of compromising the growing relationship.— the growing relationship. but there is also the issue _ the growing relationship. but there is also the issue of— the growing relationship. but there is also the issue of gold, _ the growing relationship. but there is also the issue of gold, isn't - is also the issue of gold, isn't there? gold that russia is hoovering up there? gold that russia is hoovering up in various countries in africa and taking it back, which protects it against sanctions that the western countries are imposing? abs, western countries are imposing? lot of commentary does look at the fact that russia's relationship with various countries, whether it is sudan, whether it is naval base and
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also the goldmining industry, where it has established a presence in some of the gemstone mining sites, or even speculation in mali that russia could become getting concessions from some of the gold work that russia's relationship with african countries is exploitative. but there is some growing support in many urban areas. we have seen prior russia protest, pacifically at the time of the conflict breaking out in ukraine. part of it would be because of his perception that russia is not just the antithesis of the west, but it is bringing a sort of... it is liberating african countries from western support or from western sort of dependency, giving defence agreements, it is giving alms to african countries, the biggest purchase of arms from russia is africa, and much of this is coming without the peg of contents about women rights, it is very affordable, very available, and the arrangements that come with it are ultimately very questionable, but it's with
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some of the people in power, for instance incident where you have the general who has been a proponent of russia or russian presence in the mining industry, as well as in defence. �* , ., mining industry, as well as in defence. �* , . ., defence. and there is an element of anti- midwestern _ defence. and there is an element of anti- midwestern feeling, _ defence. and there is an element of anti- midwestern feeling, i- defence. and there is an element of anti- midwestern feeling, i sense i anti— midwestern feeling, i sense that russia is not a colonial power. technically, russia did not colonise any african states, and even during the time of the cold war and the dependents movement, russia was credited with being able to still give some sort of diplomatic economic as well as security support to emerging governments and what losses exchanges at a time, education exchanges, and above leaders if you look at mozambican leaders if you look at mozambican leaders or even in southern africa, key leaders did study in moscow and came back and have been embedded in government institutions for a long time. so there was a way that it played a positive role at that time and strengthening some of the elements that enabled governments in african countries, and at the same
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time, presenting a different force compared with the west. [30 time, presenting a different force compared with the west.- time, presenting a different force compared with the west. do you feel that the russian _ compared with the west. do you feel that the russian position _ compared with the west. do you feel that the russian position is - compared with the west. do you feel that the russian position is making i that the russian position is making progress in africa as a whole? or have the pictures that we have all seen from ukraine rather a given russia a push back? it seen from ukraine rather a given russia a push back?— russia a push back? it feels as thourh russia a push back? it feels as though putin — russia a push back? it feels as though putin is _ russia a push back? it feels as though putin is both _ russia a push back? it feels as though putin is both trying i russia a push back? it feels as though putin is both trying to i russia a push back? it feels as i though putin is both trying to show himself, notjust against though putin is both trying to show himself, not just against the west, but also to show that there is some influence within the african continent. it is a continuation of these historic links, the thought of sentimentalism that comes from postindependence, the cold war movement, and some sort of economic benefit even though it is seen to be exploitative, and also thought of entrenching a foothold whether it is in the defence sector, and showing that it in the defence sector, and showing thatitis in the defence sector, and showing that it is can be a reliable partner. the war in ukraine is currently by far the most intensively rip rorted conflict in the world. there are
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plenty of other wars going on, including one in myanmar, which scarcely being at all. this man of the bbc's burmese service. it started off as a peaceful protest, but when they are faced with this level forth by the military, they have the border areas where the joint with the ethnic arms groups. myanmar has set —— several ethnic arms groups operating on the border. these protesters have gone to the ethnic arms groups, got some training, military training, they are returned to their regions and they formed forces and started to fight back. so we couldn't say that this is close enough to topple the military in power, because military still possess heavy machinery, you know, weaponry is, but these civil defence forces have scored victories in the ground, so they are also gaining momentum, they are gaining
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better hardened. is it gaining momentum, they are gaining better hardened.— better hardened. is it reaching the level of gorilla _ better hardened. is it reaching the level of gorilla warfare _ better hardened. is it reaching the level of gorilla warfare in - better hardened. is it reaching the level of gorilla warfare in the - level of gorilla warfare in the cities? —— guerrilla. level of gorilla warfare in the cities? -- guerrilla.- level of gorilla warfare in the cities? -- guerrilla. those people after coming _ cities? -- guerrilla. those people after coming out _ cities? -- guerrilla. those people after coming out with _ cities? -- guerrilla. those people after coming out with the - cities? -- guerrilla. those people after coming out with the military j after coming out with the military training, they brought arms and ammunition, small arms. they asked people not to collaborate with the military in any form, though they started to target the village and level officials who were working for the military. they started assassinate them. they planted bombs in their homes or on the way out. and the battlefields, thejungles, they would face with the attacks, home—made bombs. previously this resistance started with these home—made bombs, but now they are a bit more sophisticated, they receive more sophisticated weapons troubled
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from the border. they are reaching the city streets.— the city streets. aung san suu kyi is now out — the city streets. aung san suu kyi is now out of _ the city streets. aung san suu kyi is now out of the _ the city streets. aung san suu kyi is now out of the whole _ the city streets. aung san suu kyi is now out of the whole thing. i i is now out of the whole thing. i mean, she is obviously injail, but politically, she has not got the support that she used to have, or has she? ., ., , has she? the whole thing about this resistance against _ has she? the whole thing about this resistance against the _ has she? the whole thing about this resistance against the military - resistance against the military started off with aung san suu kyi when she came in, people were... she came in with the idea that we need to be fearless, we need to oppose the justice. to be fearless, we need to oppose thejustice. so to be fearless, we need to oppose the justice. so she to be fearless, we need to oppose thejustice. so she is to be fearless, we need to oppose the justice. so she is very masked in the heart of the public. so in 2020 elections, people overwhelmingly voted for her party because of her. but you mention about aung san suu kyi is under detention, she is facing several charges. if she is convicted and sentenced, then she could spend a total sentence could be over 100 years. she is already 76. you can imagine that... this is also intended to keep her away, out of
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political life for life. still, people ask about whether aung san suu kyi will still have a role in the future of politics. i think she will still have it, but one of the bright things out of this military coup is that previously when aung san suu kyi was in power, everybody looked up to her and took the position from her. now she is kept away, so the energy has to be on their own. they are not making decisions by themselves. i their own. they are not making decisions by themselves. i want to rut ou decisions by themselves. i want to put you on — decisions by themselves. i want to put you on the _ decisions by themselves. i want to put you on the spot. _ decisions by themselves. i want to put you on the spot. will- decisions by themselves. i want to put you on the spot. will the - put you on the spot. will the military still be running the country in five years time? if you ask me that _ country in five years time? if you ask me that question _ country in five years time? if you ask me that question ten - country in five years time? if you ask me that question ten me i country in five years time? if you ask me that question ten me ten j ask me that question ten me ten years ago, then i would say, yes, they would still be. now things have changed. notjust the ethnic armies trying to fight against the military, but very much almost the whole country. the thing is the army chief understand that once he gives power, he will end up in the dock. so that will put him to hang onto
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power at any cost. that is a very dangerous kind of scenario for the country. 50 dangerous kind of scenario for the count . ., .,, �* �* dangerous kind of scenario for the count . . �* �* �* , country. so that was the bbc burmese news service- — country. so that was the bbc burmese news service. as _ country. so that was the bbc burmese news service. as for _ country. so that was the bbc burmese news service. as for the _ country. so that was the bbc burmese news service. as for the far _ country. so that was the bbc burmese news service. as for the far bigger i news service. as for the far bigger and are known ukraine, russia's strategy since it couldn't inflict some decisive defeat seems to be to drag things out and drive large numbers of the ukrainian population in exile and from the cities to rubble. that was russia's strategy in the area, and seems likely will see the same thing happening now in ukraine. well, that is it from this addition of unspun world. please join me in the bbc's experts right around the world next week.
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good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: day 17 of the war in ukraine: russia targets more cities as its troops regroup around the capital kyiv. another attempt to evacuate people from the devastated towns of mariupol and sumy after so—called humanitarian corridors failed to hold. president biden again rules out direct action against russia, claiming it would lead to world war iii. disappointment for wales in the six nations. i in the six nations. have been beaten 13—9 by franc who i have been beaten 13—9 by france who remain on course for the grand slam and a first title in over ten years. calls for action to tackle the cost of living crisis
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amid a warning that energy bills are set to increase at least 14 times faster than wages this year. in weather, it's a windy weekend. gales at times, especially in the west. and although there will be rain or showers around at times, it's not wet all the time. your weekend weather is on the way. it's saturday 12th march. our top story: russian troops are pushing forward into new areas of ukraine, edging closer to kyiv. air raid sirens have sounded in the capital and there are reports that heavy shelling has been heard. the ukrainian government says that russian attacks have again prevented people from escaping the southern port city of mariupol, where conditions are becoming increasingly desperate. jon donnison reports. gunfire. in the forests outside kyiv, a firefight as ukrainian solders take on russian troops. in some areas, the enemy is now less than ten miles from the centre of the capital. on the road to the town of bucha,
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close to the frontline, the streets are almost deserted. but 72—year—old anatoly is risking his life, out looking for petrol. "everything is destroyed," he says. "there is no electricity or gas." cries. "it's very cold in the house," he goes on. from the air, north—west of kyiv, you can make out houses on fire after coming under attack, as well as a small airport. explosion. dnipro, in the centre of ukraine, was previously considered safe but that's no longer the case. the city of almost a million people bombed for the first time since the conflict began. "we didn't ask them to come and save us," irina says, as she cleans up some of the damage. "we were doing fine in our own country."
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some of the worst russian shelling has come at night. this is the southern city of mykolaiv, on the black sea. at a local hospital, many of the injured are too fragile to be moved to safety and doctors here say they want a no—fly zone. we cannot work under the bombs, under the rockets. it's dangerous! you want a no—fly zone, enforced by the west? yes, yes, of course! further east, the port city of mariupol continues to be besieged. speaking overnight, president zelensky has said there will be another attempt to allow civilians to escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted the work— of most humanitarian corridors. but, despite everything, 7,114 people were saved from enerhodar, bucha, hostomel and kozarovychi, and these are 7,144 reasons to try to organise evacuation for ukrainians from the besieged cities tomorrow and the day
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after tomorrow. ukraine's international allies are continuing to ramp up sanctions and there have been further warnings to russia about the use of chemical weapons. direct confrontation between nato and russia is world war iii — something we must strive to prevent. but we already know putin's war against ukraine will never be a victory. he hoped to dominate ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, the refugee crisis continues to grow. as the russians widen their assault, less and less of ukraine remains safe and more and more families feel they have no choice but to leave. jon donnison, bbc news. so far, more than 2.5 million people have fled the war ukraine with more expected to leave in the coming days. more than half of those refugees are now in poland,
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where local people are providing accommodation, food and other support. let's see what it looks like on the ground. our reporter danjohnson is at krakow train station for us this morning. the numbers are staggering and the scale of the operation to try to help people, you are seeing firsthand. what are you seeing? absolutely, it is relentless pressure, a staggering effort and this is the railway station, krakow�*s main station. we have come back here because although the faces change here, the people move through, there is a rapid turnover and the scene keeps repeating itself with more and more people arriving daily and this is replicated in most of poland's big cities now and we have heard that some of the people across the board on trains have been redirected away from major cities to some of the smaller cities. these people are waiting to get a bed for the night and some onward transport
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and you can see the map on the wall, it's a map of poland with suggestions from the authorities of other smaller places that people can head to where the pressure is not so great. they are trying to spread the burden across the country. we can talk to anya, one of the volunteers here. can we interrupt briefly? i am gratefulfor here. can we interrupt briefly? i am grateful for your here. can we interrupt briefly? i am gratefulfor your time. here. can we interrupt briefly? i am gratefulforyourtime. can here. can we interrupt briefly? i am gratefulfor your time. can you here. can we interrupt briefly? i am grateful for your time. can you tell us the work you have been doing here? i us the work you have been doing here? ., us the work you have been doing here? . ., us the work you have been doing here? ., ., ., ., ., here? i am giving out food. i am hel-inr here? i am giving out food. i am helping to _ here? i am giving out food. i am helping to everyone _ here? i am giving out food. i am helping to everyone who - here? i am giving out food. i am helping to everyone who asks i here? i am giving out food. i am - helping to everyone who asks because i helping to everyone who asks because i speak— helping to everyone who asks because i speak little russian so it helps a lot. ., ., ., ., , lot. how do you feel, voluntary organisations _ lot. how do you feel, voluntary organisations and _ lot. how do you feel, voluntary organisations and the - lot. how do you feel, voluntary i organisations and the authorities are coping?— organisations and the authorities areco-inr? , ' ., are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million r-eole are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million people coming _ are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million people coming here. _ are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million people coming here. 1.5 _ are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million people coming here. 1.5 now- are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million people coming here. 1.5 now i - are coping? oh, my gosh. 1.2 million people coming here. 1.5 now i think. | people coming here. 1.5 now i think. yeah, within — people coming here. 1.5 now i think. yeah, within the _ people coming here. 1.5 now i think. yeah, within the last _ people coming here. 1.5 now i think. yeah, within the last few— people coming here. 1.5 now i think. yeah, within the last few weeks, i people coming here. 1.5 now i think. yeah, within the last few weeks, so | yeah, within the last few weeks, so we are _ yeah, within the last few weeks, so we are doing our best but organisationally, there is a lot to be done — organisationally, there is a lot to be done it— organisationally, there is a lot to be done. it is based still on volunteers and some people like me going _ volunteers and some people like me going out— volunteers and some people like me going out on a saturday morning just
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to help _ going out on a saturday morning just to help i_ going out on a saturday morning just to help. i am afraid that without our organisational framework, at some _ our organisational framework, at some point probably this will to support— some point probably this will to support will become less. you know, effective _ support will become less. you know, effective. �* , , effective. because the goodwill 'ust will not carry — effective. because the goodwill 'ust will not carry on fl effective. because the goodwill 'ust will not carry on forever? i effective. because the goodwilljust will not carry on forever? exactly. i will not carry on forever? exactly. and the space, presumably, the beds to house people. we and the space, presumably, the beds to house people-— to house people. we want to help, take people _ to house people. we want to help, take people in _ to house people. we want to help, take people in your— to house people. we want to help, take people in your house - to house people. we want to help, take people in your house but - to house people. we want to help, take people in your house but how| take people in your house but how lon- take people in your house but how long can _ take people in your house but how long can a — take people in your house but how long can a person live on your couch? — long can a person live on your couch? how comfortable will the person _ couch? how comfortable will the person who has run away from the country. _ person who has run away from the country, how comfortable is it? we need _ country, how comfortable is it? we need organisational backgrounds to support— need organisational backgrounds to support all of this.— support all of this. where do you think it should _ support all of this. where do you think it should come _ support all of this. where do you think it should come from, - support all of this. where do you think it should come from, the i think it should come from, the support? think it should come from, the su- aort? ., think it should come from, the su . port? ., ., think it should come from, the i suploort?_ your support? from government. your government? — support? from government. your government? ours _ support? from government. your government? ours but _ support? from government. your government? ours but the - support? from government. your government? ours but the eu i government? ours but the eu government. _ government? ours but the eu government, they _ government? ours but the eu government, they are - government? ours but the eu government, they are not i government? ours but the eu i government, they are not coming to poland _ government, they are not coming to poland because they liked poland so much _ poland because they liked poland so much, they are coming because we have _ much, they are coming because we have a _ much, they are coming because we have a common border. it is much, they are coming because we have a common border.— have a common border. it is the obvious place. _ have a common border. it is the obvious place. and _ have a common border. it is the obvious place. and probably i have a common border. it is the| obvious place. and probably due have a common border. it is the i obvious place. and probably due to the fact there _ obvious place. and probably due to the fact there is _ obvious place. and probably due to the fact there is a _ obvious place. and probably due to the fact there is a language - obvious place. and probably due to the fact there is a language a i obvious place. and probably due to the fact there is a language a bit i the fact there is a language a bit in common, maybe a bit easier at the
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beginning. _ in common, maybe a bit easier at the beginning, but i think many of these people _ beginning, but i think many of these people would like to go further or need _ people would like to go further or need to— people would like to go further or need to go further.— people would like to go further or need to go further. thank you, anya, we will let you _ need to go further. thank you, anya, we will let you get _ need to go further. thank you, anya, we will let you get on _ need to go further. thank you, anya, we will let you get on with _ need to go further. thank you, anya, we will let you get on with your i we will let you get on with your work and there are so many people and as i say, there is turnover, people are moving on and some going to other countries, buses taking people to brussels and berlin but every day they know other people will arrive and people get to leave ukraine who have not left home and started on the journey yet, there are desperately sad scenes out even though people are getting assistance and being moved on and getting beds and being moved on and getting beds and transport and in a sense, these are the more fortunate people. really interesting hearing people's stories and seeing how they are reacting. thank you so much. moldova has warned of a humanitarian catastrophe if its already overstretched resources are overwhelmed by refugee flows from ukraine. the government says it's watching closely for signs of a full—blown assault on ukraine's third city of odesa, which is 30 miles away. it says every eighth child in the country is now a refugee, as our europe correspondent
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lucy williamson reports. sometimes, the long, cold journey from ukraine ncr, and the emergency department of moldova's children hospital. in the last week, alexi has fled a war, left family and is living in a new country as a refugee. a high temperature almost counts as normal. a dozen refugee children arrive here every day. often they suffer from dehydration or breathing problems. tanya came straight here from the border. her daughter sofia caught pneumonia on theirjourney from dnipro in central ukraine. she spent two days in intensive care. translation: i am com-letel intensive care. translation: i am completely broken. _ intensive care. translation: i —n completely broken. they were bombing everywhere. now, iam reading in the news that they bombed a shoe factory and people's homes. it's horrible. it's why everyone is leaving. every ei r hth it's why everyone is leaving. every eighth child _ it's why everyone is leaving. every eighth child in _ it's why everyone is leaving. every eighth child in moldova _ it's why everyone is leaving. every eighth child in moldova is - it's why everyone is leaving. every eighth child in moldova is now i it's why everyone is leaving. every eighth child in moldova is now a refugee. and as the fighting creeps
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closer to moldova's border, the numbers keep rising. fewer than half the refugees arriving here actually stay but that's still enough to have increased moldova's population by 4% increased moldova's population by 4% in a fortnight. the equivalent of 2.5 million people arriving in the uk. government says they are running out of to house them. film uk. government says they are running out of to house them.— out of to house them. our only hope is that the wall. _ out of to house them. our only hope is that the wall. at _ out of to house them. our only hope is that the wall. at the _ out of to house them. our only hope is that the wall. at the frontline i is that the wall. at the frontline will stay where it is. this is what we hope. will stay where it is. this is what we ho re. ., ., , will stay where it is. this is what weho-e. ., ., ., . we hope. even without any dramatic chan r es of we hope. even without any dramatic changes of the _ we hope. even without any dramatic changes of the frontline, _ we hope. even without any dramatic changes of the frontline, we - we hope. even without any dramatic changes of the frontline, we are i changes of the frontline, we are approaching a breaking point but if there is a dramatic implosion and fighting around odesa, it will be a complete catastrophe for the humanitarian situation here and for that, you cannot plan or prepare, it will be completely overwhelming. charities say is already proving difficult to keep track of some children fleeing ukraine. fiur difficult to keep track of some children fleeing ukraine. our main concern is that _ children fleeing ukraine. our main concern is that we _ children fleeing ukraine. our main concern is that we have _ children fleeing ukraine. our main concern is that we have 100,000 i concern is that we have 100,000 children trapped in the orphanage system in ukraine itself and no
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tracking system to monitor where those children are at any one time. we have had verified by local authorities who have us to help receive 150 children through one of the border crossings. between them leaving that orphanage and the time that we anticipated they would be at the crossing, or 150 children have gone missing. we have no idea where they are. gone missing. we have no idea where the are. �* ., gone missing. we have no idea where the are. 1, . . gone missing. we have no idea where the are. . they are. border checks across the re r ion they are. border checks across the rerion are they are. border checks across the region are minimal— they are. border checks across the region are minimal for— they are. border checks across the region are minimal for those i they are. border checks across the i region are minimal for those fleeing the war. but protection rests on making sure the vulnerable are visible. because it is hard to protect them if they are not. lucy williamson, bbc news, moldova. as we've just heard, the west of ukraine has so far been relatively untouched by fighting but the russians have now targeted two towns in the area with shelling. the city of lviv has escaped direct fire but residents are preparing for the worst. let's speak to our correspondent yalda hakim. good to see you. looking behind you,
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there is blue sky and it looks calm and just like any other city in mainland europe. but obviously, that is so not the case. it mainland europe. but obviously, that is so not the case.— is so not the case. it really isn't, nara. is so not the case. it really isn't, naga- as — is so not the case. it really isn't, naga- as you — is so not the case. it really isn't, naga- as you say. _ is so not the case. it really isn't, naga. as you say, this _ is so not the case. it really isn't, naga. as you say, this is - is so not the case. it really isn't, naga. as you say, this is a i naga. as you say, this is a beautiful city, a world unesco heritage site and so, the people here are very, very worried that the russian bombs could impact their city. just to give you a sense, overnight and in the early hours of this morning, we spent the majority of the time in an underground bunker because of the air raid sirens. the war is moving west and overnight, the air strikes struck an area called lutsk and run in front of it, just north of here. they were targeting a military air base but nonetheless, people here are incredibly worried, there are workmen slowing on the western border coming into the country from the european union —— ivano—frankivsk. there are people crossing every single day so while
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it does feel relatively calm and peaceful, it is a city on edge. there is a tension here that is, frankly, palpable. pond there is a tension here that is, frankly, palpable.— there is a tension here that is, frankly, palpable. and we've seen re rorts frankly, palpable. and we've seen re aorts of frankly, palpable. and we've seen reports of people _ frankly, palpable. and we've seen reports of people who _ frankly, palpable. and we've seen reports of people who are - frankly, palpable. and we've seen | reports of people who are helping, helping those moving and those displaced who have had to leave their homes and it's amazing, the stories that come out of that. yes. stories that come out of that. yes, i mean, i stories that come out of that. yes, i mean. i was _ stories that come out of that. yes, i mean, i was at _ stories that come out of that. yes, i mean, i was at the _ stories that come out of that. yes, i mean, i was at the train - stories that come out of that. yes i mean, i was at the train station a few days ago and there were thousands of people emerging, looking absolutely bewildered, shocked. women, children, the elderly, mothers carrying multiple babies, shocked that they travelled for 18 hours away from the shelling and bombing. and there are people coming here, humanitarian coming, and among them was a labour mp, doctor alan khan who i metjust yesterday. she has arrived here in the vive on the humanitarian mission and i asked her why she has decided to come. i am desperately concerned
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about hospitals and medical facilities and staff being targeted. have seen the last few days and it appears nothing is off limits. again, this is following the playbook with or in syria when 900 doctors and nurses lost their lives, where saw endless, endless bombing and raising to the ground of hospitals, and again, that has been part of the training that we have been doing here with saying for example hospitals need to move patients from the top two floors and use them further down and try to create bunkers to keep people safe. it is a real worry, and sadly, as we have seen in the last few days, nothing appears to be off limits. that is a labour mp who is now in lviv trying to do what you can in her capacity. every aid workers arrived, but the most desperate places are places in the south, the
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east, the north that are coming under constant russian compartment and shelling, where civilians are trapped, unable to get out. back to you in the studio. thank you very much. details of a second visa scheme which will allow people in britain to take refugees into their homes is due to be announced on monday. the government is criticised for taking over a thousand ukrainian so far. our political correspondent jonathan blakejoins far. our political correspondent jonathan blake joins us far. our political correspondent jonathan blakejoins us now. what more can you tell us after this criticism has been building up for the last couple of weeks? goad the last couple of weeks? good morninr. the last couple of weeks? good morning- the — the last couple of weeks? good morning. the criticism - the last couple of weeks? (13mm morning. the criticism continues. there is no sign of the promised sharp increase in the number of visas issued to ukrainians fleeing the fighting, trying to come to the uk. it stood atjust over 1300 as of yesterday morning, and we await details of that second promised route for refugees who have no family ties here in the uk. people,
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individuals, households, businesses, charities will be able to make an offer of accommodation. they will need to be vetted and they will be matched with people trying to get to the uk coming from ukraine. but that system is not up and running yet, it is not even finalised yet. in the meantime, you have a bit of a scrappy blame game going on behind the scenes, government departments trying to blame between themselves about who is trying to be more generous and who was trying to hold this process up. step, there is no sign the government will change its approach. they clearly believe that due process is important in terms of people applying for and being approved visas to come to the uk. that requirement will not be lifted and there is also a stress on the need for security to be maintained with people fleeing a war zone and the potential risk that that could represent. but as you said, there is criticism from labour and other that westminster, also refugee groups and aid agencies who say if you want to help, live the requirements for
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visas and let people in on the basis of a passport or something less. thank you very much for that. jonathan blake. it is saturday morning. how is looking? nick has details of the weather for us. looking? nick has details of the weatherfor us. abs, looking? nick has details of the weather for us.— looking? nick has details of the weather for us. �* , , . weather for us. a very mixed picture out there this _ weather for us. a very mixed picture out there this morning. _ very changeable weather on the way. on my sunrise shots coming in this morning. a lot of cloud around, some outbreaks of rain, but as the day goes on it will brighten up on a few showers around. the focus for the weekend will be on quite strong winds that time, particularly across western areas. there are with met office wind warning is in place for the weekend, across western parts of the weekend, across western parts of the uk so it is worth checking it online if you have travel plans. the next wet and windy weather system bearing down on the south—west later today. the gap between them, that is where we see sunny spells with a few
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showers. many of us is cloudy, the rain pushing north across northern scotland and into the afternoon still there for the north and west and there are sunny spells, a scattering of hit and miss showers out there, but clearly the weather going downhill again towards the south—west as the rain and strong winds moving. temperatures are not down and where they have been, nine 13 degrees across much of the uk this afternoon. with that wet weather coming into the south—west, it will be picking up, but the cornwall for a time, gusts of 60 to 70 miles an hour, 50 to 60 elsewhere as a wet weather with heavier bursts of rain moves the afternoon, especially into this evening and extends northwards across the western side and the wind is picking up western side and the wind is picking up what widely through the irish sea towards northern ireland and western scotland as the night goes on. rain making inroads across england as well. a particularly cold tonight, but clear spells towards the north
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north—west of scotland and this could allow a touch of frost around. into part two of the weekend, it is dominated by low pressure to the west of us, a band of rain moving through, showers behind, windy for all tomorrow with gail that times towards the west. this is where the overnight band of rain will be first thing. that has to clear it was across the eastern side of england and scotland, behind you can see the cloud is broken, sunny spells and showers. if you catch one it could be heavy, maybe thundery, but they merge for longer spells of rain. more widely, windy day tomorrow. these other gusts gail through the irish sea. around 50 to 60 miles an hour. potentially disruptive gusts of wind. temperatures a nudge down particularly through wales and england as we go on through tomorrow afternoon. with clear spells across other areas on sunday night, don't be surprised if you get a touch of
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frost into monday morning. next week it stays fairly changeable project across scotland, northern ireland and northern england during the first half of the week as we see the rain pushing southward. the further south you are, it could turn springlike for temperatures had upwards. it does look like it is widely settled as we go through the later stages of next week. that is all for this weekend, rain and showers at times, it is not wet all the time. that is how your weather is shaping up. that document a story dominating many household energy bills, etc increase at least 14 times faster than wages this year. that is the tuc warning, the cost of living rises evening for many houses in the uk. let talk to kate who is the head of economics. good morning to you. how have you come in about this digger? brute
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good morning to you. how have you come in about this digger? we knew that bills were _ come in about this digger? we knew that bills were arriving _ come in about this digger? we knew that bills were arriving fast, - come in about this digger? we knew that bills were arriving fast, we i that bills were arriving fast, we can see that in our own home bills, wages are rising slowly but we couldn't realise how big the difference was. we looked at how much the energy price is set to go up much the energy price is set to go up in april, around £600, and we forecast micro up again in october. that isjust forecast micro up again in october. that is just based on april. we look at what the bank of england is predicting what will happen to wages this year and we were really shocked by that figure actually, the price of household bills is going up iii times faster than wages might be. and that means that basically increasing your bills could wipe out any increase you see in your pay packet this year, and that is before you take into account the rising cost of food.— you take into account the rising cost of food. ~ . , , ., ., cost of food. what is being asked of the government _ cost of food. what is being asked of the government in _ cost of food. what is being asked of the government in terms _ cost of food. what is being asked of the government in terms of- cost of food. what is being asked of| the government in terms of helping, and what is the government doing? we and what is the government doing? - have got the spring statement coming up. that is when the chancellor was
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set to give an update on what is happening to the public finance, but we think he has got to take the opportunity to act. it is going to get more money into families pockets. at the moment the universal credit as families will get an extra £120 a year, and that will not cut it. even if it increases it by inflation, 8%, they willjust get an extra £300 a year. again, that will not help. we need to do much more than that. we had to tackle the causes of this problem, our badly insulated homes. we think the chancellor should be imposing on gas companies and using to fund payments to keep houses warm. the government said it recognises _ to keep houses warm. the government said it recognises the _ to keep houses warm. the government said it recognises the pressures - said it recognises the pressures people are facing with the cost of living, with his wife has set out its words are generous £21 billion package of support, and includes
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£150 council tax rebate from april, a further £200 energy bill discount in october, which will be paid back to cut energy bills quickly for the majority of households. how much more can the government do or how much more should expand in your opinion? you are doing the sums, to help people who are going to struggle with energy bills? i am struggle with energy bills? i am afraid that government - struggle with energy bills? i:n afraid that government package just isn't enough. itjust feels stingy, . .. isn't enough. it 'ust feels stingy...._ isn't enough. it 'ust feels i amount the isn't enough. it 'ust feels - stingy,...h the £200 stingy,... that is alone. the £200 alone. stingy,... that is alone. the £200 alone- we — stingy,... that is alone. the £200 alone- we are _ stingy,... that is alone. the £200 alone. we are seeing _ stingy,... that is alone. the £200 alone. we are seeing energy - stingy,... that is alone. the £200 alone. we are seeing energy bills| stingy,... that is alone. the £200 i alone. we are seeing energy bills go up alone. we are seeing energy bills go up by alone. we are seeing energy bills go up by nearly £700 in april and expected to go up further in october. we could have that windfall tax on oil and tax brackets, but families struggling are not going to look at what the government has done so far and look at what the government has done so farand think look at what the government has done so far and think it is enough. they do need to act. you so far and think it is enough. they do need to act.— do need to act. you saw during their... how— do need to act. you saw during their... how much _ do need to act. you saw during their... how much more, - do need to act. you saw during i their... how much more, though? do need to act. you saw during - their... how much more, though? how much more money? we are already
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coming out of an economic crisis, coming out of an economic crisis, coming out of the pandemic, and the purse strings need to be tightened. so what gives if it is spent on that? h so what gives if it is spent on that? , ., ., ~ so what gives if it is spent on that? , ., w , ., , that? it is to make sure families have enough _ that? it is to make sure families have enough money _ that? it is to make sure families have enough money in - that? it is to make sure families have enough money in their - that? it is to make sure families - have enough money in their pockets to spend, the economy depends on consumer spending. to spend, the economy depends on consumerspending. it will to spend, the economy depends on consumer spending. it will be an economic problem. we saw during the pandemic was that support for families actually reject them. we saw the coronavirus job protection scheme, the up lifting credit, that is incredibly important. for many families right now this is a crisis. kate, head of economics at the tuc, thank you forjoining us on breakfast. thank you for 'oining us on breakfast.— thank you for 'oining us on breakfast. ., , ., ., breakfast. further details of a sponsorship — breakfast. further details of a sponsorship scheme - breakfast. further details of a sponsorship scheme to - breakfast. further details of a sponsorship scheme to allow. sponsorship scheme to allow ukrainians, ukraine refugees without family link to the uk to come here i expect it to be announced on monday.
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jane went to meet people in north yorkshire who are taking matters into their own hands to help the fleeing. we feel exactly as every other village, town and city in the uk feel — we want to help. i watched the news with absolute horror. just over two weeks ago they were living in normal circumstances like we are. i think the government's response has been woefully pitiful. it's practically non—existent, really, isn't it? _ it's pathetic. there is no response, there's no active risk wants. “ response. most definitely there is more that could be done. these are the residents of tockwith, a small village in yorkshire which is supporting the small town of milanowek in poland, which is itself supporting roughly the same number of ukrainian refugees as the whole of the uk. the general public, god bless them all, are trying to do the right thing.
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we are sending direct aid, we're sending cash directly to poland, and that seems to be the only way we, community to community, can help~ _ introduce yourself, andrew. hi, i'm andy, i'm 55 years old, i live in milanowek. hi, guys. and this is where tockwith's first £5,000 donation has gone. so, ijust got permission from the family to film in the flat. this is the little one. there's a family of six kids and a mum and they've moved in. hi, mum. angela. hi, angela. andy he has taken a family of seven ukrainians into his flat. his group of expat friends are taking in more. my mate steven, and he had four big rooms, and he's equipping them with bunk beds in every room with some of the money that was sent over by the tockwith crew. britain's not doing anything, yeah. britain as a country is not doing enough, yeah. but britain as people, as my friends, have reached out. we're in the fire brigade. around 900 refugees are now housed
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in the town with the whole effort co—ordinated by volunteers at the local fire station. people are offering houses and accommodation. the phone's ringing all the time. the ladies have done a brilliantjob. this is the kind of help some here in the uk are eager and able to provide. mathew, tell me about your business. so, we're based in rural oxfordshire and we employ 135 people. we're based just oustide winchester, we make the most delicious ice cream and we have 55 people doing that. and you want to help? we're a wealthy nation and should stand by the people of ukraine. both of these businesses have signed up to a scheme to sponsor refugees in the uk. and if the government policy will change sufficiently to allow people that are in desperate need to come into this country, then we stand ready to help in whatever way possible, whether that's employment, whether it's sponsorship, or whether it's just being actually a helping hand to some of these people that are coming
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over, we stand ready. imagine if we were in that situation. we would want our neighbours to help and support, and i think that's the whole point of this — that, you know, ukraine is our neighbour i call the home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago. making a success of the new humanitarian sponsorship pathway will require a national effort from the entire country. and, mr speaker, our country will rise to that challenge. but the scheme still hasn't launched. yesterday, the home secretary said more details would be given this monday. give me a wee bio... people like gavin are frustrated. i'm the owner of hospitality venues and i'm also the manager of the city's football club. what we're looking to do is to provide accommodation, work to ukrainian nationals,
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pay forflights, pay for any visas that happens, and get people over to safety. have you investigated whether or not this is even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it, it was probably around about three months for a business to register at the home office to come out, a sponsor, which is obviously too long — it will probably take a lot, lot longer. it has to be the humanitarian work, and they have to open up the doors to make it far easier than what they have done. they're saying all the right things but they're not doing it. in the face of desperation, the uk has been accused of being too slow, too hardhearted, too bureaucratic. but plenty of uk citizens are equally desperate to help. jayne mccubbin, bbc news. it is saturday morning. let's take you back to events happening over 19
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ukraine. good morning, john. there is a picture emerging when you look at the map, i think you will show us in a moment, of the places that have been struck now by missiles that weren't previously in parts of ukraine. j weren't previously in parts of ukraine. ~ . ukraine. i think the thing we have noticed is that _ ukraine. i think the thing we have noticed is that in _ ukraine. i think the thing we have noticed is that in the _ ukraine. i think the thing we have noticed is that in the last - ukraine. i think the thing we have noticed is that in the last 24 - ukraine. i think the thing we have | noticed is that in the last 24 hours noticed is that in the last 2a hours russia has expanded its operation, maybe not in size but expanse. areas previously considered safe are now very much not. let's start, as ever, looking at the map of ukraine. the areas in red are those we think are now in russian control. the areas in red and white stripes are where russian forces are advancing. we have highlighted many more towns and cities because they are now being targeted. lutsk and ivano—frankivsk
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were previously safe. dnipro, where sarah rainsford has been reporting, that's been heavily shelled. it's been most successful in the south, meri o'connell. —— mariupol. mykolaiv, strategically important in terms of access to the black sea, really being hit hard but with the ukrainians putting up strong resistance. you might have seen andrew harding's report from their earlier in the programme. —— from there earlier in the programme. let's just zoom in a bit further north. this is bucha, just outside kyiv. fighting there has been intense, it's on the outskirts of the city and you can see the roads there are pretty deserted. no—one is daring to leave their homes there, many people fled already and quite a lot of damage on the frontline, as i say.
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and fighting in the cave region and we think the russians are nine miles or ten miles or so from the centre of the capital and here you have ukrainian forces opening fire on russian soldiers in the forests in the outskirts of kyiv. and some new satellite pictures. you can see military equipment shifted further around the city, also some residential areas targeted and earlier you saw the airport that had been hit and seems to be on fire. meanwhile, all the while as fewer places remain safe, more and more people are fleeing and the united nations said 2.5 million people have now left ukraine, the vast majority heading west, actually to poland, where it is almost 1.5 million people. but people can only get out if people stop firing. president zelensky said overnight there would be fresh attempts today to establish
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ceasefires to set up humanitarian corridors, particularly in mariupol in the south which, as i say, has been besieged by russians for over a week and let's end with some pictures from there because you may remember the maternity hospital was hit in one of the women who was lucky to get out with her life, heavily pregnant, mariano, i'm pleased to report that yesterday she gave birth to a little girl. some good news, isuppose, i met a gave birth to a little girl. some good news, i suppose, i met a lot of bleak news but what a world to be born into. it is 34 it is 3a minutes past seven and gavin has the sport. a special moment in cardiff, wales against france, wales very much the underdogs. and then things got tight? it’s underdogs. and then things got ti ht? �* , ., underdogs. and then things got tiht? �*, ., ., , underdogs. and then things got tiht? ., , ., tight? it's one of those nights to sort of saver. — tight? it's one of those nights to sort of saver, friday _ tight? it's one of those nights to sort of saver, friday night - tight? it's one of those nights to sort of saver, friday night lights| sort of saver, friday night lights rugby is brilliant at the best of times but in the evenings, it's a great night out. everyone is in the
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zone for it and i think wales— france is such an iconic match, france is such an iconic match, france are the inform team, formidable right now. i do not know if they can be beaten right now but wales gave it a good go. it was a disappointing evening for wales in the six nations. they were beaten 13—9 by france at the principality stadium. it's played four, won four for the french who remain on course for the grand slam. tomos dafydd was there. it may not have been full, but there's always an electric atmosphere at the principality stadium. wales knew they couldn't start slowly, but they handed france the advantage within ten minutes with antonyjelonch cantering over in the corner. wales managed to stay in the game, thanks to the accurate kicking of dan biggar, the captain seemingly happy his team within a point of france at half—time. after the break, this edged france four points ahead. but the visitors did not have
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it all their own way. frustrated by wales, france were forced into making errors. commentator: many more errors than they usually make! _ wales were putting france under pressure. dan biggar�*s kick found on the wing. butjonathan davis, with the try line invitingly close, failed to get hold of the ball. frustration for wales, france hung on. i'm so proud of the [ads in terms of how well they stuck to it against probably the form team in world rugby at the minute, so we're really, really pleased with the effort and the — you know, that's a bit more like us in terms of the attitude and probably something that we didn't quite show in the first half against england and ireland in the last few games, so really, really pleased. but ultimately, like you said, when you play against big teams and good teams and tight test matches, one or two moments decide it and we didn't quite come on the right side of it. so, a fourth victory for france. they're going for the grand slam. standing in their way, england in paris next weekend. tomos dafydd, bbc news, cardiff.
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cannot wait for that! scotland take on italy in rome in the early afternoon game. after that, england host ireland at twickenham. they'll be hoping maro itoje recovers from illness. england say they're optimistic he'll start the game, despite missing friday's captain's run. ireland lost to france the last time they went on the road but are favourites today. an intriguing last day beckons in the first test between west indies and england. zac crawley scored an unbeaten century and skipperjoe root was fast approaching his tonne when bad weather brought an early end to proceedings. —— zak. england will resume on 217/1 — a lead of 153. our sports correspondentjoe wilson reports from antigua. test cricket is all about the challenge. do you accept it? did you relish it? england began their second inning 64 runs behind and alex lee is playing in his first match and was out for six, lbw. but zak crawley was getting into his stride. he is in the team to play
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shots like that. to express himself. yeah. there he goes again. fluent england batting. it can happen. confidence is such a precious but fragile commodity. it all seems to disappear in australia. but we are now fully agricultu rally disappear in australia. but we are now fully agriculturally filling the rays of a recovery. 0. some raindrop of delay. they blew in and they blew out. the butters remained. in benign conditions on a lifeless pitch, joe root as you would expect cashed in, england built their lead 153. zak crawley�*s england fortunes have fluctuated so his joy at making 100 he was real and meaningful in a match that this is in fact the simpler bit. to win, england must at some point bowler west indies out again. clouds will come and go. it could be a thrilling final day here. it could very easily not be. joe wilson, bbc news, antigua. chelsea have had their credit card facilities temporarily suspended
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while banks assess the implications of the sanctions imposed on owner roman abramovich this week. the club has been given a licence to operate on a day—to—day basis, despite the russian billionaire having his assets frozen. but ba rclayca rd wants to make its own assessment of the licence criteria to ensure it doesn't breach the uk government's sanctions. chelsea don't know when the suspension will be lifted. the former chelsea midfielder and now everton manager frank lampard says he cares about the people who might lose theirjobs at stamford bridge. he admits the club and its fans are in "a tough moment" but played down talk of a friendship with abramovich. one of the questions earlier said i am close to roman abramovich. i know roman abramovich, i would probably count on one hand how many times i have seen him in the last many years. when i worked for chelsea football club which was an absolute treasure work for chelsea football club for 13 years. and that's exactly where i want to leave that one. now to tennis and a stunning win for britain's harriet dart, who beat former world number three
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elina svitolina from ukraine to make the third round at indian wells. and emma raducanu is there, too. she said it "meant a lot" to come through a tricky tie against caroline garcia of france. raducanu raced into a 3—0 lead and took the first set but garcia was more dangerous in the second set. she broke raducanu three times before levelling the sets at 1—1. but raducanu fought back and took the third set 6—1, and the us open champion will play world number 79 petra martic of croatia in the next round. there was also success for britain's harriet dart, who reached the third round for the first time in her career with an eye—catching win over the former world number three elina svitolina. dart is ranked i22nd and took two hours 17 minutes to beat the 12th seed. she won 2—6, 6—3, 6—3. any murray came from behind to beat japan's taro daniel by two sets to one in the first round at indian wells. the 34—year—old lost the first set but battled back to take the second 6—2. the three—time grand slam champion then closed out a 3—set victory, winning the last 6—4 to seal his
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place in the second round. i was reading on social media that everyone is celebrating this win because you have to be behind him. 700th win. i did not know that. b, 700th win. i did not know that. landmark. i cannot imagine that many matches and especially his history with his hip and his health. we were saying three orfour with his hip and his health. we were saying three or four years ago it looked like he was set to retire before the australian open so to be playing and to make 700 is incredible.— playing and to make 700 is incredible. �* ., ., . ~ incredible. and another fight back. the aood incredible. and another fight back. the good thing _ incredible. and another fight back. the good thing is _ incredible. and another fight back. the good thing is amazing - incredible. and another fight back. the good thing is amazing the - incredible. and another fight back. | the good thing is amazing the prize money towards the children's fund for ukraine. the ukraine crisis, etc. it's phenomenal. one of the most deprived towns in britain will soon have one of the best swimming and diving facilities. the new commonwealth games aquatics centre is being built in smethwick in the west midlands. phil mackie reports. it is nearly ready, the commonwealth games aquatics centre will be in use
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really get a sense of the scale of the place from up here. it is going to be a world—class facility. the width of the pool here is the length of your local swimming baths and legacy is very important. this is an area where people have not traditionally taken up in great numbers and it's also one of the most deprived parts of the country. smethwick�*s one of the places that always features near the top of the bad league tables and the bottom of the good ones. having the aquatics centre here could be a game changer. one of the highlights will be the diving centre, the indoor diving centre, with the dry diving centre for people to learn how to dive and who knows, in ten years time, we could have a very own tom daley coming from smethwick, it would be wonderful. 50 coming from smethwick, it would be wonderful. , , y. wonderful. so basically... under18 is a allowed _ wonderful. so basically... under18 is a allowed on _ wonderful. so basically... under18 is a allowed on site _ wonderful. so basically... under18 is a allowed on site while _ wonderful. so basically... under18 is a allowed on site while the i wonderful. so basically... under18 is a allowed on site while the work| is a allowed on site while the work is a allowed on site while the work is going on so they have come to this academy to give a presentation on what is coming to their neighbourhood. kim, aryna and saibai liked what they saw.—
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it is struggling to this weekend, i have to say, signs later next week it may do more widely and we will look about in a moment. they are actually sunny spells are on the way although it may be rainy where you are at the moment, it's towards the south—west of england things are picking up first although it's here things will go downhill again, first later today. things will go downhill again, first latertoday. blustery, things will go downhill again, first later today. blustery, windy weekend, gail is at times especially in western areas and we will all get to see some sunshine at some stage, areas of rain, and showers around as well —— gales. low pressure is close by, one weather system clears northwards today but another pushes into the south—west and it will take over from tonight and indeed, into the south—west and it will take overfrom tonight and indeed, for the rest of the weekend. this is how it looks over the next few hours with a lot of cloud and bricks of rain, all gradually clearing northwards today which means in scotland you hold on to the longest and stausholm around the northern and stausholm around the northern and western isles by the end of the afternoon —— outbreaks.
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as for your temperature, around nine to 13 celsius. and look at the rain in the wind that pushes into the south—west later. we could be some dust around cornwall, 60 to 70 miles an hour, 50 to 60 elsewhere, heavy rain moving in. possibly disruptive gusts of wind this afternoon into this evening, stronger winds extending through the irish sea towards northern ireland overnight. a band of rain moves through into western scotland and gradually pushes a bit further to england later in the night. further east, they will be clear spells around. patsy patchy rain near the east coast. the skies towards the north—west of scotland where they could be a touch of frost going into tomorrow morning. this is part two of the weekend. low pressure to the west, the strongest winds especially in northern ireland and western scotland but it will be blustery across the uk tomorrow. band of rain sitting here first thing, pushes
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across the rest of scotland and england in the morning. behind that, it is brightening up again and there will be some sunshine. it thundery showers and longer spells of rain in northern ireland and western scotland. tomorrow is more widely windy than today. these are some of the gusts out there. strongest winds will be the irish sea on the coast, and into northern ireland and western scotland. possibly disruptive gusts of wind once again. temperatures may be down tomorrow compared with today, especially through parts of wales and england. later next week things may settle down more widely and initially across southern areas into next week whereas across northern england and northern scotland, some further occasional rain at times. that is how your weather is looking. time now for this week's edition of newswatch with samira ahmed. hello and welcome to newswatch, with me, samira ahmed.
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why did the bbc suspend its journalists' work in russia a week ago and then resume broadcasting from there on tuesday? and should we be hearing more of the russian point of view in this conflict or less of putin's false propaganda? impartiality is the cornerstone of bbcjournalism, but should it apply in reporting on a war where it's quite clear which side the uk and the west are on? spencer adams thinks we are being given too one—sided view of the conflict, e—mailing: but a number of viewers have expressed the opposite opinion, that too much air time has been given to guests defending the invasion. here are a couple of examples — an interview nick robinson conducted this week
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on radio 4's today programme with a russian mp, and, first, an encounter last week on the news channel between victoria derbyshire and a pro—putin supporter in moscow. ..a special operation which... crosstalk ..invaded an independent, sovereign country and is killing innocent men, women and children. that is what he is doing. what is the number of innocent men and women killed in ukraine? i'm asking you how does he justify that? no—one isjustifying the things that weren;t done, —— weren't done, because russia's military is not killing innocent people. russia's military is destroying the military infrastructure. oh, come on, this is nonsense! what evidence have you got to suggest that millions of people are fleeing their own cities, that thousands are dying because a country's bombing its own citizens? it's preposterous! well, as much as we see, we create humanitarian corridors.
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we actually... that wasn't the question. i asked you who fires the bombs, who fires the missiles that is killing ukrainian citizens and forcing millions to flee? john f murray gave that interview a thumbs up on twitter, writing: but michael had reservations: opinion was similarly divided about victoria derbyshire's interview. chris thought the presenter deserved approval. but sylvia had this concern: air time was also given on thursday to russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov,
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who gave a news conference which was carried at length on the news channel. bruce cowan thought claims like that should not have been shown in that form, writing: well, if there are tricky editorial decisions to be made in uk newsrooms about when and how to put kremlin sympathisers on air, the challenges facing journalists operating inside russia are greater still. it's never been an easy place to work independently, but when the russian parliament
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passed a new law last week threatening to jail anyone judged to have spread fake news on the armed forces, the bbc decided to suspend the work of its journalists and support staff within the country. four days later, though, steve rosenberg, promoted this week to be the bbc's russia editor, was back on air. the kremlin is doing everything it can at home to control the narrative about what's happening in ukraine. virtually all independent russian news outlets have been either blocked or shut down. and the new law has made it a criminal offence to spread what the authorities deem to be fake news about the russian armed forces, punishable by up to 15 years in prison. given that climate, marjorie morningstar was concerned about the resumption of reporting by the bbc in russia, wondering: and peter stewart had this advice:
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well, let's discuss all of this with jamie angus, senior controller for bbc news output and commissioning. thank you for coming on newswatch. let's start with why and how you have resumed broadcasting from russia. well, when the douma passed this emergency legislation a week ago, we had to suspend broadcasting from inside russia because we needed to assess the legal and ramifications for our staff within the country to continue to report on the news, and that advice to a number of days to come in and to see how the climate in moscow was settling down over the weekend and the early part of this week. we subsequently decided in the early part of this week that it was possible to resume broadcasting in english and operate within the law, but in a way that was editorially robust and independent,
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and so that's why you've seen steve and his colleagues back in air from moscow this week. calling is an invasion is now illegal in russia, so how are you working around that one? well, the moscow teams are working very elegantly and very cleverly, it seems to me, to be very careful about what they say to operate within the law, while making clear what is happening in the country. so you'll have heard steve refer to on air using a phrase like "what the kremlin insists on describing as a special military operation," because an important part of what that team is doing editorially is helping the audience understand how the war is being presented in russia to the population of russia. that's a really important part of understanding why the war is happening, and it's really important that where we are able to safely, we continue to provide the kind of information for our audiences. well, you understand that audiences here are concerned and they're thinking that if bbcjournalists are doing independent journalism, they are inherently at threat under these new russian laws? i mean, that is certainly true, and we would not wish to be operating under these laws, but let's be clear, it's not
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the first time the bbc has had to operate under these kinds of restrictions and our colleagues, including our russia editor, steve, are very experienced in doing so, and we would not be doing it if we genuinely felt we weren't able to broadcast independently and for the benefit of our audiences. are ordinary russians getting to hear bbc news? well, of course, our output in russia has been pretty comprehensively blocked in the last week. so we are a digital—only service in bbc russian, so audiences were getting our content through the bbc russian website and the app, and around about a week ago, that traffic was choked off and restricted very comprehensively by the russian state. however, we can see that some of that information is still going through and we've tried to communicate with russian audiences directly about how to circumvent those restrictions either by using the dark web, the so—called tor router, the different internet forum, and by other circumvention technology, including vpns, to be able to access the site still.
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we know that some of that is working. it is very difficult. but, again, it's something we've got experience of. ouraudiences in iran, for example, we have spoken about this before, we know that despite very strict restrictions on internet traffic, we get a lot of digital news into iran and indeed into mainland china. the bbc's says it is impartial and the bbc is covering kind of russian government statements, but you are not out there with russian troops, are you? we're not currently, no, no. should you be? it's very difficult to assess hypothetically whether that could happen. i think the decision we'd have to take was could we operate with editorial independence if we were on a military embed, as the phrase goes in the industry? we have been able to operate with editorial independence on the ukrainian side of the conflict, and you and others will have seen that extraordinary report from quentin sommerville, in particular, which ran from thursday night on bbc news
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right up at the front line. it's hard imagine we would be able to operate with that editorial independence were we embedded with russian forces, but of course we would assess it on a case—by—case basis. they haven't offered it to you, have they? no. we've seen interviews by nick robinson and victoria derbyshire with prominent putin supporters making false claims, although there's praise for how the presenters have handled it, many viewers question the wisdom of putting such people on air live. i understand that. and you've heard both sides of the argument in the setup clips that we've just listened to and watched. we do take this very seriously and we've no desire to give disproportionate amounts of air time to apologists for the putin regime whose arguments are not based in reality. having said that, of course, it's an incredibly important part of this story for audiences to understand why the war has happened, and you can't understand why the invasion has taken place without understanding what putin is telling his own people, and so in order to understand that
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to audiences, i think it is relevant and proportionate on occasion to put those voices on air and to expose them to the kind of independentjournalistic scrutiny that they don't get inside russia. the thing is, we know how people clip things, and it doesn't matter how much you argue with them, it can just be seen as giving them a platform and air time to spread lies. of course that's true, and we give it a lot of careful thought. but i don't think the kind of extreme version of saying that none of these voices could appear on air, that the raw material, for example, of the lavrov press conference, which one of your correspondents alluded to, it's not right to ban that completely from the airwaves, because that is part of the unfolding history of the war. the job of the live news channels in particular is to present live events as they happen, and then, over time, bbc news journalists, as you know, are able to put those events in context. and we take that seriously and we'll continue to work on that basis. jamie angus, thank you very much. thank you. you for all your comments this week. if you want to share your opinions on what you see,
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good morning welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today. day 17 of the war in ukraine. russia targets more cities as its troops regroup around the capital kyiv. another attempt to evacuate people from the devastated towns of mariupol and sumy after so called 'humanitarian corridors' failed to hold. president biden again rules out direct action against russia, claiming it would lead to "world war three" disappointment for wales in the six nations.... they're beaten 13—9 by france who remain on course for the grand slam — and a first title in over ten years. covid rates are on the rise again across the uk. chris and linda will be
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here to answer your questions. in weather, it's a windy weekend. gales at times, especially in the west. and although there will be rain or showers around at times, it's not wet all the time. your weekend weather is on the way. it's saturday 12th march. russian troops are pushing forward into new areas of ukraine — edging closer to kyiv. air raid sirens have sounded in the capital and there are reports that heavy shelling has been heard. the ukrainian government says that russian attacks have again prevented people from escaping the southern port city of mariupol, where conditions are becoming increasingly desperate. jon donnison reports. gunfire. in the forests outside kyiv, a firefight as ukrainian solders take on russian troops. in some areas, the enemy is now less than ten miles from the centre of the capital.
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on the road to the town of bucha, close to the front line, the streets are almost deserted. but 72—year—old anatoly is risking his life, out looking for petrol. "everything is destroyed," he says. "there is no electricity or gas. cries. "it's very cold in the house," he goes on. from the air, north—west of kyiv, you can make out houses on fire after coming under attack, as well as a small airport. explosion. dnipro, in the centre of ukraine, was previously considered safe but that's no longer the case. the city of almost a million people bombed for the first time since the conflict began. "we didn't ask them to come and save us," irina says, as she cleans up some of the damage. "we were doing fine
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in our own country. some of the worst russian shelling has come at night. this is the southern city of mykolaiv, on the black sea. at a local hospital, many of the injured are too fragile to be moved to safety and doctors here say they want a no—fly zone. further east, the port city of mariupol continues to be besieged. speaking overnight, president zelensky has said there will be another attempt to allow civilians to escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted the work of most humanitarian corridors. but, despite everything, 7,114 people were saved from enerhodar, bucha, hostomel and kozarovychi, and these are 7144 reasons to try to organise evacuation for ukrainians from the besieged cities tomorrow
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and the day after tomorrow. ukraine's international allies are continuing to ramp up sanctions and there have been further warnings to russia about the use of chemical weapons. direct confrontation between nato and russia is world war iii — something we must strive to prevent. but we already know putin's waragainst ukraine will never be a victory. he hoped to dominate ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, the refugee crisis continues to grow. as the russians widen their assault, less and less of ukraine remains safe and more and more families feel they have no choice but to leave. jon donnison, bbc news. let's get the latest on the developments in kyiv from our correspondent james waterhouse. james how much progress are the russians making?
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we understand that there has been shelling that has been heard. yes. we understand that there has been shelling that has been heard. yes, i don't know — shelling that has been heard. yes, i don't know if— shelling that has been heard. yes, i don't know if you _ shelling that has been heard. yes, i don't know if you can _ shelling that has been heard. yes, i don't know if you can hear- shelling that has been heard. yes, i don't know if you can hear that, i don't know if you can hear that, quite a sustained rumbling sound, almost like thunder, but look at the weather about paints the uneasy picture that so many people are experiencing. it is coming from the north and that very much is aligned with what the uk defence officials are saying in that they believe that the majority of russian forces now are around 15 miles on the outskirts of kyiv. we have been talking about this 40 mile long convoy in the north and we now believe, according to the satellite images that it has spread out and russian forces are moving armoured vehicles and soldiers and crucially artillery guns as well and spreading them into towns around the outskirts. you saw the images in the report of the fighting that is happening just half
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an hour away from where we are now. we are keeping an eye on it and it shows how this conflict can vary from city to city and district to district and people will be keeping an eye on what is happening in the north. what we saw yesterday with russian strikes on ivano—frankivsk in the south west and lutsk, it marks a widening of this russian assault on kyiv as it tries to take out what moscow claims our strategic sites. there has been heavy shelling in chernihiv in the north, which is mostly residential, there have been reports of a cancer hospital being struck by missiles in the south in an area being attacked by russian forces but we have to remind ourselves that only one major ukrainian city, kherson has fallen, two and a bit weeks into this war,
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but the cost of that for the people in the cities, the ukrainian forces and for the russian forces is getting greater by the day. james, we can hear— getting greater by the day. james, we can hear that _ getting greater by the day. james, we can hear that rumbling - getting greater by the day. james, we can hear that rumbling behind| we can hear that rumbling behind you. what are people in kyiv doing now? you and the teams there are spending the nights in bunkers and underground shelters. what are people doing, or they leaving, are they waiting? the people doing, or they leaving, are they waiting?— they waiting? the mayor thinks around half _ they waiting? the mayor thinks around half the _ they waiting? the mayor thinks around half the population i they waiting? the mayor thinks around half the population has| they waiting? the mayor thinks i around half the population has left kyiv and it does feel like that, when you walk the streets, it is empty. it feels like a movie set and i remember the first time we drove around after the war broke out and we saw the anti—tank devices, those sort of wielded spikes of iron in the road or mines along the road, it did not feel real, given what the city used to be, where people had
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been crossing the road at all the differentjunctions, going out, different junctions, going out, going differentjunctions, going out, going for a coffee or whatever. the further out you move in the city, the more defensive positions you see in the more you get a sense of this is a war zone, this is a large—scale attack. you have to keep reminding yourself of that and i think people are still taking the windows to go, but when you hear that rumbling, that distinct feeling, you can sometimes feel it in your chest when it does rumble, certainly when it is close, that is a reminder and also when you see what the officials here are same and they talk about the troop sizes and you see the satellite images of what is to come, no one is really relaxing and i think that is the impact of living under siege. think that is the impact of living undersiege. kyiv think that is the impact of living under siege. kyiv is not under siege or surrounded, supplies and people can get in and out, but the worry is that will change like in other cities. it is a testing time. i
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cities. it is a testing time. i wonder if we could take a moment just to hear that. it feels ever present as you have said. as we hear that, when people are going out, the timings of when they get supplies and go to shops, under curfew, is that changing? i and go to shops, under curfew, is that changing?— that changing? i feel bad saying this, ou that changing? i feel bad saying this. you sort — that changing? i feel bad saying this, you sort of _ that changing? i feel bad saying this, you sort of get _ that changing? i feel bad saying this, you sort of get used i that changing? i feel bad saying this, you sort of get used to i that changing? i feel bad saying this, you sort of get used to it l that changing? i feel bad saying i this, you sort of get used to it and you have to keep checking yourself when you do. we are talking casually as you can hear the rumbling of explosives going off in the same city or in towns on the outskirts, and we are sort of talking about it in this way and when the sirens go off cronau and you look out, as we head downstairs, looking on the street, you see people with shopping bags in hand or a solitary walk here or there, bags in hand or a solitary walk here orthere, getting bags in hand or a solitary walk here or there, getting on with their day, people get used to it in a strange way and every now and then you might
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hear the crackle of gunfire. for now, there seems to be this strange holding pattern, but people have learned to live with it, it does not mean it is a happy existence, it still takes energy to live with that uncertainty. we are on a car park and every time someone slams a corridor, you jump and it reminds you of the extraordinary times that people are in here. people are getting used to it in that sense, but then they have to go to either the outskirts of the city or to other cities around, where there are people dying in the streets and people dying in the streets and people are all too aware here of what that means and what that means four people there. they will have family members, people they care about and have been separated from, there are people with supplies cut off row, mariupol is getting more and more desperate, no running water and more desperate, no running water and electricity and no way in or out and electricity and no way in or out and it is a reminder of what could
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happen. the final point on that, this is what does not add up, what is the goalfor this is what does not add up, what is the goal for russia and kyiv, once they surround and advance? are they going to bombard it into submission? like we have seen in kharkiv where buildings have been reduced to rubble? does russia want to leave itself a capital to install a government of its choosing? that is one of the most popular theories. this is what is murky. i is one of the most popular theories. this is what is murky.— this is what is murky. i think what we should do _ this is what is murky. i think what we should do is _ this is what is murky. i think what we should do is say _ this is what is murky. i think what we should do is say goodbye, i this is what is murky. i think what we should do is say goodbye, just| we should do is say goodbye, just for your safety as well. is waterhouse, thank you for the reporting you are bringing us —— michaeljames waterhouse. we will be speaking to one of the residents of one of the cities we are learning more about, ivano—frankivsk and this is one of the cities that had
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previously not been struck, but we know in the last 24 are as it has been struck, we will be talking to someone who lives there. let us talk more about where those people are going, when they leave ukraine. moldova has warned of a humanitarian catastrophe, saying its already overstretched resources could be overwhelmed by the number of refugees arriving from ukraine. it says one out of every eight children in the country, is now a refugee — as our europe correspondent lucy williamson reports. sometimes, the long, cold journey from ukraine ends here — in the emergency department of moldova's ignatenko children's hospital. within the last week, alexei has fled a war, left family and is living in a new country as a refugee. a high temperature almost counts as normal. around a dozen refugee children
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arrive here every day, often suffering from dehydration or breathing problems. tanya came straight here from the border. her daughter sofia caught pneumonia on theirjourney from dnipro, in central ukraine. she spent two days in intensive care. "i am completely broken," she told me. "they were bombing everywhere. "now, i'm reading in the news that they bombed a shoe factory "and people's homes. "it's horrible. "it's why everyone's leaving. " every eighth child in moldova is now a refugee. and as the fighting creeps closer to moldova's border, the numbers keep rising. fewer than half the refugees arriving here actually stay on, but that's still enough to have increased moldova's population by 4% in a fortnight — the equivalent of 2.5 million people arriving in the uk. the government says they are running
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out of buildings to house them. our only hope is that the war will stop, the front line will stay where it is — this is what we hope. even without any dramatic changes of the front line, we are approaching a breaking point, but if there's a dramatic implosion and fighting around odesa, that will be a complete catastrophe for the humanitarian situation here and for that, you cannot plan, you cannot prepare. it would just be completely overwhelming. charities say it's already proving difficult to keep track of some children fleeing ukraine. our main concern is that we've got 100,000 children trapped in the orphanage system in ukraine itself and no tracking system to monitor where those children are at any one time. we've had verified by local authorities who have asked us to help receive 150 children through one of the border crossings. between them leaving that orphanage and the time that we anticipated they would be at the crossing, all 150 children have gone missing.
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we have no idea where they are. border checks across the region are minimalfor those fleeing the war but protection rests on making sure the vulnerable are visible, because it is hard to protect them if they are not. lucy williamson, bbc news, moldova. our reporter danjohnson is at krakow train station for us this morning, where a huge relief effort is underway. i was just watching the pictures and i was just watching the pictures and i am saying elderly people and long queues disappearing down the staircase, tell us what is happening there. , , ., ., ., there. this is one of the rail transport — there. this is one of the rail transport hubs, _ there. this is one of the rail transport hubs, one - there. this is one of the rail transport hubs, one of- there. this is one of the rail transport hubs, one of the i transport hubs, one of the processing points, one of the staging post on this journey, we are three hours form the ukrainian border but this is a real focal point of the pressure. people are coming through the whole time and as
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well as ukrainian refugees, commuters are passing through as well, it is quite a contrast insane and the message is that places like this, notjust the city but others in poland are getting overwhelmed. can you see that map, that is a map of poland with other smaller cities listed at the suggestion to refugees and ukrainianfamilies, listed at the suggestion to refugees and ukrainian families, that they actually try to move on to smaller places they may not have heard of. it says it may be easier to find accommodation and easier to find a job and cheaper to live. there are people coming through all the time and the turnover is phenomenal. people are offering lifts notjust in poland but to other countries. people like rico. what does your side say? we people like rico. what does your side sa ? ~ ., people like rico. what does your side sa ? ~ . ., people like rico. what does your sidesa 7~ . .,,, people like rico. what does your sidesa? . .,, side say? we have a bus organised. you are offering _ side say? we have a bus organised. you are offering transport. - side say? we have a bus organised. you are offering transport. we i side say? we have a bus organised. | you are offering transport. we could
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take 45 people- _ you are offering transport. we could take 45 people. we _ you are offering transport. we could take 45 people. we are _ you are offering transport. we could take 45 people. we are going - you are offering transport. we could take 45 people. we are going in i you are offering transport. we could take 45 people. we are going in one| take 45 people. we are going in one hour~ _ take 45 people. we are going in one hour. ., . , take 45 people. we are going in one hour. ., ., , ., , ., hour. you are here 'ust to see who wants to come. i hour. you are here just to see who wants to come. we _ hour. you are here just to see who wants to come. we had _ hour. you are here just to see who wants to come. we had some i hour. you are here just to see who i wants to come. we had some ukrainian relatives and — wants to come. we had some ukrainian relatives and we — wants to come. we had some ukrainian relatives and we collected _ wants to come. we had some ukrainian relatives and we collected them - wants to come. we had some ukrainian relatives and we collected them this i relatives and we collected them this morning _ relatives and we collected them this morning and we came with a big bus and we _ morning and we came with a big bus and we organised it with the city as well, _ and we organised it with the city as well, we _ and we organised it with the city as well, we have enough accommodation arranged _ well, we have enough accommodation arranged and we came here with a bus and thought. _ arranged and we came here with a bus and thought, we have 30 spaces left and thought, we have 30 spaces left and we _ and thought, we have 30 spaces left and we are _ and thought, we have 30 spaces left and we are just here to collect people — and we are just here to collect people and try to motivate them to come _ people and try to motivate them to come with— people and try to motivate them to come with us. we organised everything with the city. it is a little _ everything with the city. it is a little bit — everything with the city. it is a little bit crazy. it everything with the city. it is a little bit crazy.— little bit crazy. it is a slightly chaotic scene, _ little bit crazy. it is a slightly chaotic scene, what - little bit crazy. it is a slightly chaotic scene, what do i little bit crazy. it is a slightly chaotic scene, what do you | little bit crazy. it is a slightly i chaotic scene, what do you think of what you have seen of the stories you have heard?— what you have seen of the stories you have heard? people are very, i don't know — you have heard? people are very, i don't know how _ you have heard? people are very, i don't know how to _ you have heard? people are very, i don't know how to say _ you have heard? people are very, i don't know how to say it, - you have heard? people are very, i don't know how to say it, people i you have heard? people are very, i. don't know how to say it, people are overwhelmed or it is hard to explain _ overwhelmed or it is hard to
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exlain. �* , , overwhelmed or it is hard to exlain. �* , explain. are people taking up your offer? it is — explain. are people taking up your offer? it is hard _ explain. are people taking up your offer? it is hard to _ explain. are people taking up your offer? it is hard to motivate i explain. are people taking up yourj offer? it is hard to motivate them, the do offer? it is hard to motivate them, they do not — offer? it is hard to motivate them, they do not know _ offer? it is hard to motivate them, they do not know the _ offer? it is hard to motivate them, they do not know the town. i offer? it is hard to motivate them, they do not know the town. most l offer? it is hard to motivate them, | they do not know the town. most of them _ they do not know the town. most of them want — they do not know the town. most of them want to go to berlin or a big city and _ them want to go to berlin or a big city and it— them want to go to berlin or a big city and it is— them want to go to berlin or a big city and it is hard to motivate them to come _ city and it is hard to motivate them to come with us because they are afraid, _ to come with us because they are afraid, they have lost everything, they have — afraid, they have lost everything, they have to leave everything behind and they— they have to leave everything behind and they are afraid. it is hard just and they are afraid. it is hard just a short— and they are afraid. it is hard just a short time _ and they are afraid. it is hard just a short time to motivate those people — a short time to motivate those pe0pte to _ a short time to motivate those people to come with us. that is why we have _ people to come with us. that is why we have people speaking ukrainian with us_ we have people speaking ukrainian with us to — we have people speaking ukrainian with us to explain the situation and we are _ with us to explain the situation and we are going back soon.— with us to explain the situation and we are going back soon. thank you. we appreciate _ we are going back soon. thank you. we appreciate you _ we are going back soon. thank you. we appreciate you talking _ we are going back soon. thank you. we appreciate you talking to - we are going back soon. thank you. we appreciate you talking to us. - we appreciate you talking to us. that is the sort of thing on offer, most of it from community groups and also from the authorities, the polish fire service is setting up a network of buses crossing the country and others as well the triumph spread the pressure because although they have dealt with this very well for more than two weeks the feeling is that it cannot carry on and they cannot cope with the sheer numbers of people that keep on
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coming every day. sheer numbers of people that keep on coming every day-— the city of ivano—frankivsk in western ukraine was targeted by russian forces for the first time yesterday morning. there were explosions on the ground and a military airfield was bombarded with missile strikes. you can see the map and get a sense of what is happening and the picture thatis of what is happening and the picture that is emerging is that a number of cities that remained untouched are now being hit. olena ponomarenko is volunteering in ivano—frankivsk at the moment — using her translation skills to help people still in the city. good morning. give us a sense of how it is in the city this morning. goad it is in the city this morning. good morninu. it is in the city this morning. good morning- i — it is in the city this morning. good morning- i am _ it is in the city this morning. good morning. i am in _ it is in the city this morning. (13cm morning. i am in ivano—frankivsk and even at the moment we have an air strike alert and after this interview i will go to the corridor of the bathroom to be in a safer
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space and yesterday there were explosions. forsome space and yesterday there were explosions. for some reason, we did not hear an explosions. for some reason, we did not hearan airstrike explosions. for some reason, we did not hear an air strike alert at night, so here i feel much safer than in kharkiv.— night, so here i feel much safer than in kharkiv. you have 'ust told us that there is h than in kharkiv. you have 'ust told us that there is a h than in kharkiv. you have 'ust told us that there is a siren _ than in kharkiv. you havejust told us that there is a siren going - than in kharkiv. you havejust told us that there is a siren going off . us that there is a siren going off now, i think you need to be in a safe place and i am very conscious of our responsibility to you. if we can, we will catch up with you later and i think you should go and make yourself safe and we will catch up with you another time. my apologies, but i think it is the right thing to do. ., ~' , ., but i think it is the right thing to do. . ,, i. . ,, but i think it is the right thing to do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course. — do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course. we _ do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course, we are _ do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course, we are so _ do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course, we are so grateful- do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course, we are so grateful to - do. thank you. thank you, goodbye. of course, we are so grateful to all | of course, we are so grateful to all our contributors, but their safety is the ultimate priority and if we can get olena back later from a safer place we will talk to her to get an idea of what is happening in ivano—frankivsk.
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so what about the ukrainians who want to come to the uk. details of a second visa scheme, which will allow people in britain to take refugees into their homes, is due to be announced on monday. we know that britain will allow in more refugees following criticism for not doing so. around 1,000 have arrived so far. 0ur political correspondent jonathan blakejoins us now. jonathan, what's the latest? the pressure has built and there have been differences between what the eu has done and how the uk has gone about bringing people in who are fleeing this war. goad gone about bringing people in who are fleeing this war. good morning, the contrast — are fleeing this war. good morning, the contrast could _ are fleeing this war. good morning, the contrast could not _ are fleeing this war. good morning, the contrast could not be _ are fleeing this war. good morning, the contrast could not be clear, - the contrast could not be clear, with the scenes we were seeing in poland were down was reporting from a few moments ago, vast numbers of people coming in with minimal checks and minimal procedure, compare that to the uk, wherejust and minimal procedure, compare that to the uk, where just over 1000, something in the reason —— region of
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3000 phases have been approved. there are reasons for that, the uk is further away, there is the english channel to cross, people fleeing ukraine will have fewer links and fewer ties perhaps hear that they will in countries that are closer and they may want to stay in countries that are closer to ukraine in the hope that they will eventually be able to go back. nevertheless, there have been sustained criticism of the uk government approach and therefore we have seen in the face of that a slight relaxation of the rules and people can now apply from this coming week online, rather than in person, for a visa to come here and there will be a new sponsorship route, but that has yet to be finalised and put in place, where individuals, families and charities and businesses as well, we'll be able to offer up accommodation, rooms in their homes and elsewhere for people who do not have family ties in the uk and the government says that will be an unlimited scheme and no cap on the numbers who
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can come here and take advantage of that. the prime minister said security is important, we want to be generous, but we want to be careful, thatis generous, but we want to be careful, that is why the czechs and the requirements for the visa are still in place but there is no sign yet of what he says will be a sharp increase in the numbers approved in the coming days. increase in the numbers approved in the coming days-_ the coming days. thank you very much. i the coming days. thank you very much- i don't— the coming days. thank you very much. i don't know _ the coming days. thank you very much. i don't know what - the coming days. thank you very much. i don't know what you - the coming days. thank you very much. i don't know what you are j much. i don't know what you are doing today, but i am sure you will be worried about the weather. today, but i am sure you will be worried about the weather. here's nick with a look at this morning's weather. there will be lots of different types of weather, it will be sunny at times as well and quite often it is going to be windy out there and there will be gales at times especially in the west and there will be wind warnings around, quite large waves, so do have a look at thoseif large waves, so do have a look at those if you have got some travel plans, we have got this weather system clearing north today and this is the main one, the next one coming in and that is why it is going to be
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quite so windy, particularly in the west as that comes in. so far today west as that comes in. so far today we have seen a lot of cloud and outbreaks of rain, fog lingered in scotland, especially the north. elsewhere, there will be a lot of fine weather at this afternoon, sunny spells, scattering of showers, about 9—30 , you can clearly see what is coming into the south west from that area of low pressure, and the stronger winds as well as the afternoon goes on. for a time, the isles of scilly and cornwall could get gusts of up to 70 mph, some big waves on the coastlines. with that you have got the rain as well. this evening across more of wales through northern ireland into the west of scotland, then overnight edging further east into england. the strong winds will extend further up the west of the uk as long as the night goes on. nowhere is particularly cold, summer spells in
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the east will see rain. clear spells in the north west of scotland lasting longest, it could bejust a touch of frost here going into tomorrow morning. tomorrow, our weather is dominated by this area of low pressure but it is by no means a wash—out out there. it will be windy, a bit of rain and showers, but some sunny spells. there is an overnight band of rain, that is where it is sitting in the morning, that has to move east, through the east of england and scotland and then clearing to sunny spells. a scattering of showers, some of them heavy and possibly thundery and they may merge the longer spells of rain in northern ireland and the west of scotland. windy across the board, gusty southerly winds and we are going to see the strongest winds through irish sea coasts and northern ireland in the west of scotland, 50—60 mph, possibly disruptive and temperatures a degree orso disruptive and temperatures a degree or so down tomorrow compared with today. it is tomorrow night into monday morning across the south weather could be a touch of frost
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and clear spells around and we will have a sneak peek of what is going ahead next week and we will see spells of rain moving down to scotland, northern ireland, the north of england during the first part of the week, it is across the south, it will turn mild, potentially very mild for a time and that hence that things will settle down next week. that is the weather, it is very changeable, but there will be strong winds at times. let's get up to date with everything that has been happening overnight in ukraine. jon donnison is here to run through the details. in the last few moments we spoke to james waterhouse and he says he is hearing rumblings in the distance and then a moment ago, a city you will be talking about, this is ivano—frankivsk and olena there, the sirens are going off. it is an
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illustration of how things are going. ivano—frankivsk was hit yesterday and we think that was not the first time, but one of the first times it has been hit and it seems to be shifting across the country a bit more, the russian operation. let's as ever start with the map. the areas in red are those we think are now in russian control. the areas in red and white stripes are where russian forces are advancing. now you'll notice we'll got a lot more towns and cities featured on the map and that is because as i say the assault seems to be widening. ivano—frankivsk is in the west, there were some strikes yesterday and we heard from that young woman with the sirens going off. lutsk was also hit for the first time yesterday. yesterday we had the cities of dnipro in the east and lutsk and ivano frankivsk much further west being bombed for the first time. the shoe factory was completely flattened. the russians have made most progress in the south. mariupol here remains
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completely under siege and this city of mykolaiv, strategically important in terms of access to the black sea really being hit hard but with the ukrainians putting up strong resistance. you might have seen andrew harding's report from their earlier in the programme. let us zoom in a little bit north. there is a new front line there and you can see the forces coming in on the streets are pretty much deserted. this road goes out to the front line and there is quite a lot of damage by the side of the road and there has been very heavy fighting. elsewhere this is forests close to kyiv and a fierce fire fight as ukrainian forces take on russian troops. in some places the russians are now less than 10 miles from the centre of the capital.
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we've got more satellite images have come in too. you can see russian troops moving around the area around the capital, an airport was targeted there, these are residential buildings and some of them are on fire, also in and around the outer suburbs of kyiv. as the number of safe places in ukraine string, the number of refugees is expanding and you can see where they are heading, most of them heading west, the vast majority to poland and i saw a tweet from donjohnson in poland saying the number has now surpassed 1.5 million refugees who have gone to poland and those figures coming from the polish authorities. president zelensky has said that there will be fresh attempt today to try to establish ceasefires to set up these
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humanitarian corridors, particularly in mariupol in the south—east where the conditions are pretty desperate and there will be another attempt to get people out. let us end with a little bit of positive news, i guess, you will remember that maternity hospital that was hit in mariupol, awful scenes, this woman was heavily pregnant and you can see she was a bit injured, terrifying. 0n she was a bit injured, terrifying. on friday, she gave birth to a little baby girl. you can also see she has a few injuries on her face. lucky to be alive, i guess, but what a world to be born into. thanks very much. the time is 8:30am. one area where the russian advance on the ground has made progress is in the south of ukraine. asjohn wasjust asjohn was just explaining. russian forces have captured the city of kherson and are pushing west but the city of mykolaiv stands in their way. while ukraine's forces hold fast, the city has suffered extensive damage.
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andrew harding has this report. a snowstorm enfolds us as we head for the front lines, towards a ukrainian city that is blocking the russian advance. civilians gather on the outskirts of mykolaiv, fleeing the madness. you are worried about the bombs and the artillery? yes, yes. it's also very loud, especially at night. explosions. loud and deadly. the russians are trying to blast a path through this city in order to seize the whole black sea coast but mykolaiv is proving obstinate. air raid siren wails 0k, we just heard some artillery in the distance and then an air raid siren, so we are going to suit up. you, too, joe. in a cellar, volunteers follow the example set by millions of ukrainians nationwide, forming a diy army.
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it's plates for body arms what we made from our factory. it's really heavy but it's good. that defiance is echoed by the local governor, who tells us the russians are actually in retreat here, for now. we pulled the enemy back from the borders of our city, from about 15—20 kilometres in the southern and western part. for now, they are almost surrounded. we are attacking them. so, from your perspective, you are winning this war? you know, we are winning this fight, but not this war. not winning the war. at the local morgue, it's a struggle to keep up with the bodies — soldiers and civilians alike out in the cold. some survivors here are still too frail to be moved to safer ground. 250 casualties in under a fortnight. what would you say to the world? to the world? what is your message? close our sky, close our sky.
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we cannot work under the bombs, under the rockets. it's dangerous. you want a no—fly zone, enforced by the west? yes, yes, of course. in the meantime, the russians stick to their familiar routine — shock and horror, almost no weapons too gruesome, no target off limits. the fear in civilian neighbourhoods like this one is that this is just the start. that because russian ground troops are being blocked from sweeping through this city, they will now do what they have done in so many other parts of ukraine and simply intensify their aerial bombardments. and then what? this woman survived, but her city's fate remains unclear. andrew harding, bbc news, mykolaiv. the time is 8:33am. further details about a sponsorship scheme to allow
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ukrainian refugees — without family links to the uk — to come here are expected to be announced on monday. the government has come under criticism for being too slow to put measures in place. jayne mccubbin has been to meet people in north yorkshire who are taking matters into their own hands to help those fleeing ukraine. we feel exactly as every other village, town and city in the uk feel — we want to help. i watched the news with absolute horror. just over two weeks ago they were living in normal circumstances like we are. i think the government's response has been woefully pitiful. it's practically non—existent, really, isn't it? it's pathetic. there is no response, there's no active response. most definitely there is more that could be done. these are the residents of tockwith, a small village in yorkshire which is supporting the small town of milanowek in poland, which is itself supporting roughly the same number of ukrainian
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refugees as the whole of the uk. the general public, | god bless them all, are trying to do the right thing. we are sending direct aid, we're sending cash directly to poland, and that seems to be the only way we, community to community, can help. introduce yourself, andrew. hi, i'm andy, i'm 55 years old, i live in milanowek. hi, guys. and this is where tockwith's first £5,000 donation has gone. so, ijust got permission from the family to film in the flat. this is the little one. there's a family of six kids and a mum and they've moved in. hi, mum. angela. hi, angela. andy he has taken a family of seven ukrainians into his flat. his group of expat friends are taking in more. my mate steven, and he had four big rooms, and he's equipping them with bunk beds in every room with some of the money that was sent over by the tockwith crew.
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britain's not doing anything, yeah. britain as a country is not doing enough, yeah. but britain as people, as my friends, have reached out. we're in the fire brigade. around 900 refugees are now housed in the town with the whole effort co—ordinated by volunteers at the local fire station. people that are are offering houses and accommodation. the phone's ringing all the time. the ladies have done a brilliantjob. this is the kind of help some here in the uk are eager and able to provide. mathew, tell me about your business. so, we're a boat builder based in rural oxfordshire and we employ 135 people. we're based just oustide winchester, we make the most delicious ice cream and we have 55 people doing that. and you want to help? we're a wealthy nation and we should stand by the people of ukraine. - both of these businesses have signed up to a scheme to sponsor refugees in the uk. and if the government policy. will change sufficiently to allow people that are in desperate need to come into this country, - then we stand ready to help
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in whatever way possible, l whether that's employment, whether it's sponsorship, . or whether it's just being actually a helping hand to some of thesel people that are coming over, we stand ready. i imagine if we were in that situation. we would want our neighbours to help and support, and i think that's the whole point of this — that, you know, ukraine is our neighbour and we can help and we should. but they can't. i call the home secretary. this was priti patel 12 days ago. making a success of the new humanitarian sponsorship pathway will require a national effort from the entire country. and, mr speaker, our country will rise to that challenge. but the scheme still hasn't launched. yesterday, the home secretary said more details would be given this monday. give me a wee bio... people like gavin are frustrated. i'm the owner of hospitality venues
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and i'm also the manager of the elgin city football club. what we're looking to do is to provide accommodation, work for two ukrainian nationals, pay for flights, pay for any visas that happens, and get people over to safety. have you investigated whether or not this is even feasible? yeah, when we first looked at it, it was probably around about three months for a business to register at the home office to become a sponsor, which is obviously too long — it will probably take a lot, lot longer. it has to be the humanitarian route, and they have to open up the doors to make it far easier than what they have done. they're saying all the right things but they're not doing it. in the face of desperation, the uk has been accused of being too slow, too hard—hearted, too bureaucratic. but plenty of uk citizens are equally desperate to help. jayne mccubbin, bbc news.
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we're joined now by sue frank, who's been working in ukraine for the past four—and—a—half years, and was evacuated just two days before the war started. good to have you with us this morning. we will talk about the work you do out there at the moment but in four and a half year is out there, where were you? what was it like? you spend most time in donetsk? i like? you spend most time in donetsk?— like? you spend most time in donetsk? . , ., ~ donetsk? i mainly worked in donetsk but i worked — donetsk? i mainly worked in donetsk but i worked on _ donetsk? i mainly worked in donetsk but i worked on both _ donetsk? i mainly worked in donetsk but i worked on both sides _ donetsk? i mainly worked in donetsk but i worked on both sides of - donetsk? i mainly worked in donetsk but i worked on both sides of the - but i worked on both sides of the line of contact and most of my work was working in villages and towns close to the contact line so we were working with the local communities, monitoring ceasefire violations, basically looking at the human impact side of things. {ii’fli�* basically looking at the human impact side of things.- basically looking at the human impact side of things. give us an idea, it impact side of things. give us an idea. it is _ impact side of things. give us an idea, it is difficult, _ impact side of things. give us an idea, it is difficult, we _ impact side of things. give us an idea, it is difficult, we see - impact side of things. give us an idea, it is difficult, we see thesej idea, it is difficult, we see these people fleeing the country, families having to leave men behind, sons, fathers, brothers, husbands, what kind of life where they living there? what was donetsk like?
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donetsk is a fabulous city, very multicultural, it was a big help for industry, it was actually set up by a welsh guy called john hughes, he was taken there to set up the mining industry because it was a really big coal rich area, and as a result of that it became a really heavy industry area, industrialised area. people came from pretty much all over the world. there are small villages that are greek speaking because they came from greece originally. just walking around the city itself, it is full of heritage, there is a national ballet, national opera house, philemon eric house, a theatre, and there are a lot of amazing parks and public art, artworks, sculpture, really lovely. i'm really interested, because this is a country that you know well and i know you visited a number of other cities, concentrating on mariupol for a moment, we here have become
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familiar with this place because it is now being devastated by air strikes. i dare say on your phone you have pictures of the beautiful city. cafe culture, and the things we all associate, and when you see pictures, i think we can bring you some of the images now of what is happening there. it is heartbreaking. - happening there. it 3 heartbreaking. mariupol is a coastal city, again, it is quite industrialised, there is quite a bad problem with pollution there, but the actual city itself, there is what brand—new shopping centre there with an international supermarket. the city centre itself was being regenerated and they were putting in nice street areas ready for cafes and developing restaurants. there was quite a big international community there, people working for ngos. �* , ., community there, people working for ngos. �* i. community there, people working for ngos. ~ _, ., , ngos. and then you look at these street scenes. _ ngos. and then you look at these street scenes. it _ ngos. and then you look at these street scenes. it is _ ngos. and then you look at these street scenes. it isjust _ street scenes. it is 'ust unbelievable �* street scenes. it is 'ust unbelievable how h street scenes. it isjust i unbelievable how quickly street scenes. it isjust - unbelievable how quickly it has happened. the devastation isjust beyond belief. it is very difficult
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to understand it is the same place. i know this affects you, because you have friends and co—workers. are you 0k to have friends and co—workers. are you ok to carry on chatting? the work you are doing is important. tell us about the people who are still there and what they are doing. we about the people who are still there and what they are doing.— and what they are doing. we had a big international _ and what they are doing. we had a big international community - and what they are doing. we had a i big international community working through the organisation i work for, but we were supported by many local people, so we had language assistants, drivers, people in support positions in offices, waking in —— working in hr and finances and they have all been left behind. we had a mixture. but everybody is really well educated, really hard working, they are all multilingual, probably speak at least two or three languages. share probably speak at least two or three lanttuaes. �* i. probably speak at least two or three lanttuaes. �* languages. are you in contact with them all? i'm _ languages. are you in contact with them all? i'm able _ languages. are you in contact with them all? i'm able to _ languages. are you in contact with them all? i'm able to keep - languages. are you in contact with them all? i'm able to keep in - languages. are you in contact with | them all? i'm able to keep in touch with some of _ them all? i'm able to keep in touch with some of them _ them all? i'm able to keep in touch with some of them but _ them all? i'm able to keep in touch with some of them but with - them all? i'm able to keep in touch i with some of them but with mariupol it is difficult because there is no electricity so it is difficult but
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we have a network of people who are keeping in touch. the problem is we are managing to get some of the female staff and family members out, and female partners, but the men are not allowed to leave ukraine, and i've heard that in the non—government—controlled side in donetsk in the hotel where we used to stay that the male staff there have all been constricted to the army. i haven't had a verified but i have no reason to doubt that —— conscripted to the army. i’m have no reason to doubt that -- conscripted to the army. i'm trying to think about _ conscripted to the army. i'm trying to think about anything _ conscripted to the army. i'm trying to think about anything that - conscripted to the army. i'm trying to think about anything that you i to think about anything that you have seen that gives you hope. i know it is a desperate situation, no point pretending otherwise. there are elements we talk about a lot here in connection with people, and i mean people most generally, are trying to do to help. i think you are back in cheshire now. you have probably seen people handing over things to help out there. it has been incredible. _ things to help out there. it has been incredible. friends- things to help out there. it has been incredible. friends of- things to help out there. it has i been incredible. friends of mine things to help out there. it has - been incredible. friends of mine in cheshire are saying we will take
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somebody in, we will take somebody income and we have had so many offers and it has been replicated throughout the whole of the uk because we had a lot of people from the uk working in ukraine. we have set up a network, myself and a colleague called duncan, we set up a kind of informal network to support our national stuff. i kind of informal network to support our national stuff.— our national stuff. i think we should explain, _ our national stuff. i think we should explain, we - our national stuff. i think we should explain, we are - our national stuff. i think we i should explain, we are seeing our national stuff. i think we - should explain, we are seeing some of these images you probably know well. do you want to explain? this is some of— well. do you want to explain? this is some of the _ well. do you want to explain? this is some of the work. _ well. do you want to explain? ti 3 is some of the work. because we go to villages on regular basis and we are sitting on vehicles, standing around listening to the ceasefire violations, or meeting the local people to find out how they have been impacted by the line of contact, being basically across the gardens, so i got to know a lot of people and they were always pleased to see me. it'sjust people and they were always pleased to see me. it's just that kind of human touch, taking things in four young kids. human touch, taking things in four ount kids. , human touch, taking things in four young kids-— young kids. sorry, i rather interrupted _ young kids. sorry, i rather interrupted your _ young kids. sorry, i rather interrupted your flow - young kids. sorry, i rather. interrupted your flow because young kids. sorry, i rather- interrupted your flow because you were talking about things you have
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seen here and what people are doing. we have set up an informal network which is beginning to take momentum, really. and we have lots of support, we are getting people through to lviv. the difficulty is getting them to lviv, and getting them through the border. but then we have people networking to provide transport, we have got people throughout europe providing accommodation, we have got lots of people in the uk offering to provide accommodation for these people who are fantastic, they were hard workers, they don't want to come and scrounge from the benefits, they want to come and work and they don't really want to stay full—time, they are hoping to go back to their own homes if they have actually got one because their homes have been destroyed, apartment blocks have been destroyed. yes, i have a network of people who want to offer support and want to offer accommodation. the difficulty is getting people into the uk. i know there is due _ getting people into the uk. i know there is due to _ getting people into the uk. i know there is due to be _ getting people into the uk. i know there is due to be further- there is due to be further announcements on that from the
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government on monday and we will wait to see what they are. interesting to hear your thoughts and tapping into some of your experiences, so thank you. thank ou. it is experiences, so thank you. thank you. it is 8:45am. _ experiences, so thank you. thank you. it is 8:45am. gavin - experiences, so thank you. thank you. it is 8:45am. gavin is- experiences, so thank you. thank you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all- experiences, so thank you. thank | you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all over the sport- — you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all over the sport- we _ you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all over the sport. we start _ you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all over the sport. we start with _ you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all over the sport. we start with the - you. it is 8:45am. gavin is all over the sport. we start with the six i the sport. we start with the six nations. france remain unbeaten in this year's six nations after a tight 13—9 win over wales last night. france scored the only try of the game through anthonyjelonch in the first half. and despite wales staying within touching distance, theyjust couldn't breach the french defence. that's three defeats in four for last year's winners wales, while france head into next week's game against england — still in grand slam contention, having won all their matches so far. well, that hard—fought win for france means they are now on the verge of their first six nations title in 12 years. they will have to get past england to do that in what will surely be a great clash, but england first have to worry about beating a strong ireland side in twickenham today.
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and we can look forward to that now with former england international mark cueto. good to see you, thank you for joining us on breakfast. what is at stake for england? a lot has been said about how they want to respond from last year's fifth place in the six nations. can they go ahead and potentially win this championship this year? potentially win this championship this ear? , . ., potentially win this championship this ear? , .., ., ., potentially win this championship this ear? , ., ., this year? they could do on paper, certainl . this year? they could do on paper, certainly- i — this year? they could do on paper, certainly. i think from _ this year? they could do on paper, certainly. i think from a _ this year? they could do on paper, certainly. i think from a former- certainly. i think from a former point of view they have not looked fantastic, which isn't great, but essentially a win today against a very good ireland side, i'm expecting ireland to probably be the favourites, even though we are playing them at home, we get the win today and it is all set up for a championship play—off next week. potentially we go to paris to prevent them from a grand slam and to nick a championship ourselves. it is all on today and thankfully i think form goes out the window with games like this today, it is all on
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today and it is at home which gives us the edge. today and it is at home which gives us the edge-— us the edge. how worried should entland us the edge. how worried should england be _ us the edge. how worried should england be about _ us the edge. how worried should england be about ireland? - us the edge. how worried should england be about ireland? veryl england be about ireland? very worried. but _ england be about ireland? very worried. but i _ england be about ireland? very worried. but i think, _ england be about ireland? very worried. but i think, you - england be about ireland? , worried. but i think, you know, the opening game of the six nations, ireland looked very good. they probably haven't performed as well as that since then. the factjohnny sexton is back in the team today will give them a lot of confidence. but equally for our boys, again, we have a better balance today in our back line for sure with marchant and slade, and again games like today are all about concentrating on yourself. you have to respect your opponents and do your research on them and on the referee, but ultimately if we perform today, which eddiejones has been quite vocalin which eddiejones has been quite vocal in the press this week saying they are ready and going to take everything to the irish, then hopefully it will be a good day for
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us. hopefully it will be a good day for us. ., ., " ., ., hopefully it will be a good day for us. looking ahead, we saw france edte us. looking ahead, we saw france ed t e that us. looking ahead, we saw france edge that tight — us. looking ahead, we saw france edge that tight encounter - us. looking ahead, we saw france edge that tight encounter with - us. looking ahead, we saw france i edge that tight encounter with wales last night. how good are this french team? the best in world rugby at the moment? , ., team? the best in world rugby at the moment? , . . , moment? they are looking really good and it is great — moment? they are looking really good and it is great to _ moment? they are looking really good and it is great to see. _ moment? they are looking really good and it is great to see. when _ moment? they are looking really good and it is great to see. when i - and it is great to see. when i reflect back on my career, the french were always a topside and, you know, you got that french flair, thatjouez, but for a few you know, you got that french flair, that jouez, but for a few years they have may be lost that but certainly got that back at the moment and they do look the best team, certainly the best team in the northern hemisphere at the moment but they are only human, we saw them last night, it was a shaky performance in cardiff last night. the welsh could have and probably should have, nicked it but they held on, fair play to them, so they held on, fair play to them, so
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they will go into next week confident, at home in paris, no better place for them to seal the grand slam. better place for them to seal the grand slam-— better place for them to seal the grand slam. a, ,, ., . ,, i. grand slam. mark cueto, thank you very much- — grand slam. mark cueto, thank you very much- you _ grand slam. mark cueto, thank you very much. you have _ grand slam. mark cueto, thank you very much. you have to _ grand slam. mark cueto, thank you very much. you have to admire i grand slam. mark cueto, thank you i very much. you have to admire mark's camera work, the lactic acid build—up! he has a history of a strong arm. indeed! we will take a break from our coverage on events in ukraine and focus back on covid. covid—19 infections have risen in all four nations of the uk, with levels in scotland at a record high. the office for national statistics estimates that 2.6 million people had coronavirus last week — up from 2.4 million the week before. let's talk now with our regular covid panel — virologist, dr chris smith and professor of public health, linda bauld. good morning to you both. it has been a little while since we have spoken for obvious reasons. linda,
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could you kick us off with these statistics people may have picked up in the week in some kind of context about the infection rate? it in the week in some kind of context about the infection rate?— about the infection rate? it does seem to be _ about the infection rate? it does seem to be going _ about the infection rate? it does seem to be going up _ about the infection rate? it does seem to be going up around i about the infection rate? it does seem to be going up around the| about the infection rate? it does i seem to be going up around the uk, as you say, charlie. since we last spoke we have seen the full change in our testing regime where we are not using as much a symptomatic testing, and that means we do need to rely more on the ons infection survey which is probably along with react in england, the best source of overall infection data we have. what you can see they're up to the 26th of february it looked like things were improving in england, there are now more people infected and for the last number of weeks in scotland we have seen a rise in infections. on a more positive note, you are still seeing very few people needing intensive care, so we are dealing with infections in the community, we have had an increase in admissions to hospital, some of those people will be there because of covid and others will be there with covid because you have high rates of
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infection in the community about the disease is not causing any where near the harm it was previously. but of course, the thing with infections and re—infections it disrupts a lot of things, it not only causes health harms but lots of people are absent from the workplace or from school. we didn't want to be where we are now but we are and hopefully things will settle down soon. goad now but we are and hopefully things will settle down soon. good morning, chris. will settle down soon. good morning, chris- good — will settle down soon. good morning, chris- good to — will settle down soon. good morning, chris. good to see _ will settle down soon. good morning, chris. good to see you _ will settle down soon. good morning, chris. good to see you again. - will settle down soon. good morning, chris. good to see you again. as i chris. good to see you again. as these numbers are rising, there are various reports coming in now, it felt we almost stopped talking to you regularly a short while ago before the war in ukraine. we have seen reports now covid—19, for example, less of a threat than flu. how can that be put into context? the numbers that have been computed look the numbers that have been computed took at _ the numbers that have been computed look at what is called the infection fatality— look at what is called the infection fatality ratio and what that means you look— fatality ratio and what that means you look at a person who catches the flu you look at a person who catches the flu and _ you look at a person who catches the flu and you _ you look at a person who catches the flu and you ask how likely is a
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person— flu and you ask how likely is a person of— flu and you ask how likely is a person of that age to die of the flu and that— person of that age to die of the flu and that you can then make comparisons with other disorders. when _ comparisons with other disorders. when the — comparisons with other disorders. when the pandemic with coronavirus started _ when the pandemic with coronavirus started we _ when the pandemic with coronavirus started we were seeing mortality rates _ started we were seeing mortality rates between 1% and 10% depending on age. _ rates between 1% and 10% depending on age, but now when we do the same caicuiations— on age, but now when we do the same calculations we see that compared with the _ calculations we see that compared with the average flu we have a mortality— with the average flu we have a mortality rate, in other words of somebody— mortality rate, in other words of somebody catches covid, what is their— somebody catches covid, what is their chances of passing away, those rates _ their chances of passing away, those rates are _ their chances of passing away, those rates are lower at all ages now than they would — rates are lower at all ages now than they would be for the average flu. so what _ they would be for the average flu. so what that tells us is that we have _ so what that tells us is that we have downshift of the threat posed try covid _ have downshift of the threat posed by covid very significantly. this is a reflection — by covid very significantly. this is a reflection on several things. one is the _ a reflection on several things. one is the level— a reflection on several things. one is the level of immunity in the population, people have now either caught— population, people have now either caught the — population, people have now either caught the infection, but for the most _ caught the infection, but for the most part— caught the infection, but for the most part have been vaccinated very successfully, which is translating into infection protection and it is still persisting, so people are at much _ still persisting, so people are at much lower risk if they catch covid than the _ much lower risk if they catch covid than the flu. the other point is there _ than the flu. the other point is there will— than the flu. the other point is there will be unfortunately some people _ there will be unfortunately some people who are more vulnerable in society— people who are more vulnerable in society who did succumb the first
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a recombinant virus, bringing together features of delta and omicron, and if we look at the uk health security agency's technical briefings which are still published briefly you can see delta has not completely disappeared, it is at low levels in the uk, higher in other countries, but it is still with us globally, and what happens when you have two variants circulating they can infect the same person which is what we think is what happened in this case and i believe it was picked up first by colleagues in the institut pasteur in france, and has also been found in denmark and the us and there are some cases in the uk. at the moment there is no evidence to suggest that this new variant will challenge our vaccines, remember our vaccines are holding up well against both omicron and delta but of course we are going to continue to see variants. one of the reason why the who continues to say we need to push infection levels lower around the world and roll out vaccines at pace is because we want
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to avoid a variant in future that will cause real concerns. you will see them popping up. the final point from me on this new variant and others is we need to keep testing, particularly in lads like chris's and in hospitals and elsewhere so that we can sequence these pcr tests and look for these variants and identify whether they are a problem or not. as far as i understand, this one is no need to panic.— or not. as far as i understand, this one is no need to panic. picking up one is no need to panic. picking up on what linda _ one is no need to panic. picking up on what linda talked _ one is no need to panic. picking up on what linda talked about - one is no need to panic. picking up on what linda talked about in i one is no need to panic. picking up| on what linda talked about in terms of deltacron, there was speculation that omicron, or evidence, that omicron was less harmful, caused less severe symptoms than, say, delta, which was much earlier in the pandemic, which emerged much earlier in the pandemic. what do we know about this deltacron, the impact in terms of illness? it about this deltacron, the impact in terms of illness?— terms of illness? it was first detected. — terms of illness? it was first detected, initially _ terms of illness? it was first detected, initially people i terms of illness? it was first i detected, initially people thought it was— detected, initially people thought it was a _ detected, initially people thought it was a laboratory mistake, in cyprus — it was a laboratory mistake, in cyprus at _ it was a laboratory mistake, in cyprus at the beginning ofjanuary. and in— cyprus at the beginning ofjanuary. and in fact — cyprus at the beginning ofjanuary. and in fact it has now been confirmed by a number of
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laboratories, including the institut pasteur— laboratories, including the institut pasteur which linda just referred to. pasteur which linda just referred to~ a_ pasteur which linda just referred to. a number of countries have detected — to. a number of countries have detected this hybrid virus, and it is to— detected this hybrid virus, and it is to be — detected this hybrid virus, and it is to be expected. if you have got hi-h is to be expected. if you have got high levels — is to be expected. if you have got high levels of circulation of agents in the _ high levels of circulation of agents in the population and individual becoming infected with both viruses, many— becoming infected with both viruses, many microorganisms have the ability to do a _ many microorganisms have the ability to do a genetic pick and mix and you .et to do a genetic pick and mix and you get hybrids — to do a genetic pick and mix and you get hybrids emerging combining some of the _ get hybrids emerging combining some of the genetic elements of both. but what is _ of the genetic elements of both. but what is really reassuring is given how long — what is really reassuring is given how long it has been since we first started _ how long it has been since we first started to — how long it has been since we first started to pick this up, if it were to have — started to pick this up, if it were to have a — started to pick this up, if it were to have a significant advantage or a significant — to have a significant advantage or a significant impact over and above the impact of either delta or omicron _ the impact of either delta or omicron alone we would have registered it by now. so the fact that it _ registered it by now. so the fact that it has — registered it by now. so the fact that it has remained at very low levels _ that it has remained at very low levels argues it is probablyjust of academic— levels argues it is probablyjust of academic interest and low clinical impact, _ academic interest and low clinical impact, and for that reason it's not going _ impact, and for that reason it's not going to _ impact, and for that reason it's not going to be — impact, and for that reason it's not going to be a major problem. it is probably— going to be a major problem. it is probablyjust a reflection on the fact we — probablyjust a reflection on the fact we do have a good system for screening — fact we do have a good system for screening people and finding these variants _ screening people and finding these variants. it shows us reassuringly
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our system, _ variants. it shows us reassuringly our system, our biological radar screen — our system, our biological radar screen for— our system, our biological radar screen for finding these variants does _ screen for finding these variants does work. it doesn't mean it is going _ does work. it doesn't mean it is going to — does work. it doesn't mean it is going to be _ does work. it doesn't mean it is going to be a major threat, it is something _ going to be a major threat, it is something we keep our eye on but at the moment we don't think it is going _ the moment we don't think it is going to — the moment we don't think it is going to have the kind of impact delta _ going to have the kind of impact delta did — going to have the kind of impact delta did. ., ~ going to have the kind of impact delta did. . ,, , ., going to have the kind of impact delta did. ., ~' ,, ., going to have the kind of impact delta did. . ,, i. ., . delta did. thank you for that, chris. that's _ delta did. thank you for that, chris. that's the _ delta did. thank you for that, chris. that's the end - delta did. thank you for that, chris. that's the end of i delta did. thank you for that, chris. that's the end of the i chris. that's the end of the official questions. linda, chris has a laboratory. i haven't seen it. all i have seen is him sitting in that sort of control area. i have not seen his laboratory. have you seen his laboratory? ila. seen his laboratory. have you seen his laboratory?— his laboratory? no, i haven't had a chance to visit _ his laboratory? no, i haven't had a chance to visit but _ his laboratory? no, i haven't had a chance to visit but i _ his laboratory? no, i haven't had a chance to visit but i think- his laboratory? no, i haven't had a chance to visit but i think we i chance to visit but i think we should and it would be interesting to see what chris does in the lab, and his colleagues as well. we just see him with the clock is stuck in that little room but apparently he does have another life. we saw a tractor once, and apparently there is another life in the lab and the hospital. so when things settle down, obviously it is absolutely appropriate you are focusing on ukraine, and it is a situation everybody wants to avoid, but it is
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useful to see scientists continuing to do their work around the world, so let's flag that as a future possibility as a visit to chris in the lab. , . . , ., the lab. chris, what are you focusing — the lab. chris, what are you focusing on _ the lab. chris, what are you focusing on in _ the lab. chris, what are you focusing on in the _ the lab. chris, what are you focusing on in the lab? i i the lab. chris, what are you. focusing on in the lab? i help the lab. chris, what are you i focusing on in the lab? i help to run cambridge _ focusing on in the lab? i help to run cambridge university/ i run cambridge university/ addenbrooke's hospital diagnostics hospital, and our work isn'tjust on coronavirus. — hospital, and our work isn'tjust on coronavirus, it is on when you send in a sample — coronavirus, it is on when you send in a sample whether in hospital or primary— in a sample whether in hospital or primary care or go and see your gp, you send— primary care or go and see your gp, you send in— primary care or go and see your gp, you send ina— primary care or go and see your gp, you send in a sample for virus testing. — you send in a sample for virus testing, ultimately those samples come _ testing, ultimately those samples come to— testing, ultimately those samples come to us and we try and keep people — come to us and we try and keep people safe by working out either what they have had, what they could catch. _ what they have had, what they could catch. what — what they have had, what they could catch, what they are immune to. it is a sort _ catch, what they are immune to. it is a sort of— catch, what they are immune to. it is a sort of full gamut of microbiology. we process millions of samples _ microbiology. we process millions of samples a _ microbiology. we process millions of samples a year. microbiology. we process millions of samples a year-— samples a year. well, keep up the work, obviously! _ samples a year. well, keep up the work, obviously! it— samples a year. well, keep up the work, obviously! it is— samples a year. well, keep up the work, obviously! it is great - samples a year. well, keep up the work, obviously! it is great to i samples a year. well, keep up the work, obviously! it is great to see| work, obviously! it is great to see you both back and no doubt we will talk again soon. thank look after yourself. headlines are coming up injust a moment.
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good morning welcome to breakfast with charlie and naga. our headlines today. day 17 of the war in ukraine. russia targets more cities as its troops regrouped around the capital kyiv. another attempt to evacuate people from the devastated towns of mariupol and sumy after so—called humanitarian corridors failed to hold. president biden again rolls
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out direct action against russia, claiming it would lead to world war iii. defeat for wales in the six nations.... they're edged 13—9 by france who remain on course for the grand slam — and a first title in over 10 years. in weather, it's a windy weekend. gales at times, especially in the west. and although there will be rain or showers around at times, it's not wet all the time. your weekend weather is on the way. good morning. it's saturday 12th march. our top story. russian troops are pushing forward into new areas of ukraine — edging closer to kyiv. air raid sirens have sounded in the capital and there are reports that heavy shelling has been heard. the ukrainian government says that russian attacks have again prevented people from escaping the southern port city of mariupol, where conditions are becoming increasingly desperate. jon donnison reports. gunfire. in the forests outside kyiv, a firefight as ukrainian solders take on russian troops.
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in some areas, the enemy is now less than ten miles from the centre of the capital. on the road to the town of bucha, close to the front line, the streets are almost deserted. but 72—year—old anatoly is risking his life, out looking for petrol. "everything is destroyed," he says. "there is no electricity or gas." cries. "it's very cold in the house," he goes on. from the air, north—west of kyiv, you can make out houses on fire after coming under attack, as well as a small airport. explosion. dnipro, in the centre of ukraine, was previously considered safe but that's no longer the case. the city of almost a million people bombed for the first time since the conflict began. "we didn't ask them to come and save us," irina says,
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as she cleans up some of the damage. "we were doing fine in our own country." some of the worst russian shelling has come at night. this is the southern city of mykolaiv, on the black sea. at a local hospital, many of the injured are too fragile to be moved to safety and doctors here say they want a no—fly zone. mykolaiv is a border between russians and western civilisation. further east, the port city of mariupol continues to be besieged. speaking overnight, president zelensky has said there will be another attempt to allow civilians to escape. translation: today, russian troops also disrupted the work of most humanitarian corridors. but, despite everything, 7,114 people were saved from enerhodar, bucha, hostomel and kozarovychi, and these are 7144 reasons to try to organise evacuation
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for ukrainians from the besieged cities tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. ukraine's international allies are continuing to ramp up sanctions and there have been further warnings to russia about the use of chemical weapons. direct confrontation between nato and russia is world war iii — - something we must strive to prevent. but we already know putin's waragainst ukraine - will never be a victory. he hoped to dominate i ukraine without a fight. he failed. all the while, the refugee crisis continues to grow. as the russians widen their assault, less and less of ukraine remains safe and more and more families feel they have no choice but to leave. jon donnison, bbc news. let's get the latest on the developments in kyiv from our correspondent james waterhouse.
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in the last hour you were describing rumblings you were hearing on the outskirts of the city, tell us what is happening now. we outskirts of the city, tell us what is happening now.— outskirts of the city, tell us what is happening now. we have got an interestint is happening now. we have got an interesting blend _ is happening now. we have got an interesting blend of _ is happening now. we have got an interesting blend of noises. i is happening now. we have got an interesting blend of noises. we i is happening now. we have got an i interesting blend of noises. we have got workers repairing road surfaces, using a drill digger isjust down there, so you might be able to hear that and at the same time, we can hear a different kind of rumbling, a continuation, a continual sound of explosions happening to the north from where we are, which is where russian forces are said to be the most concentrated. the estimate from uk defence officials is that the majority of russian forces are now on the outskirts of kyiv, around ten miles on the outskirts. the concern for army chiefs here is that they are preparing to mount much further scale attack on the city and will
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try and encircle it. like we are seeing in other locations across ukraine, if you at kharkiv in the east and mariupol in the south, they are desperate situations facing people there who are unable to escape. it is not clear whether russian forces yet have the capacity to do that, here along with other cities, they are being met with stiff resistance as they try and penetrate, there is heavy mortar fire and there has been for the past few days on the western outskirts. last night, a factory, a storage building used to store frozen food was struck on the east of the city. rockets are still landing on the outskirts, but in this central area, is the sound of builders will tell you, there are some elements of normality, despite all the chaos happening around us.— normality, despite all the chaos happening around us. there is the speculation _ happening around us. there is the speculation as _ happening around us. there is the speculation as to _ happening around us. there is the speculation as to what _ happening around us. there is the speculation as to what end, i happening around us. there is the speculation as to what end, what l happening around us. there is the l speculation as to what end, what is the final goal, and with kyiv, you
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said earlier, that actually if, when, russian troops do approach and do have an impact, what is the ultimate goal in terms of if kyiv is left standing? l ultimate goal in terms of if kyiv is left standing?— left standing? i have got to be honest, this _ left standing? i have got to be honest, this is _ left standing? i have got to be honest, this is where - left standing? i have got to be honest, this is where it - left standing? i have got to be honest, this is where it does l left standing? i have got to be l honest, this is where it does not quite add up. a popular theory from some defence experts is that should ukraine fall, if you look at this objectively as possible, should the country with the deeper reserves, the bigger troops, succeed in this so—called special military operation and topple president zelensky�*s government, whether he is forced to escape or he is captured, this is where it gets murky. we do not know what will happen, does vladimir putin try and put in what is called a puppet government. install a president that is favourable to moscow and effectively give moscow a
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kind of self—control on the running of the country. we have to remind ourselves that eight years ago there was something called the revolution of dignity, where people protested, just in the centre there in a place called independence square and it was after the president at the time pulled ukraine out of a trade deal with the european union and at the time the country was moving towards the west and most of the country wanted to be a member of the european union and it wanted to be a member of nato european union and it wanted to be a member of nate and still does, there was a revolution which saw that president toppled and people died in the revolution and they protested in freezing temperatures. after that we have seen what russia was prepared to do to keep ukraine in control with the eight years of aggression sense, with crimea getting seized and militants being backed in the east. are we going to see a cycle? is russia going to attempt it again, to put in a pro gram presidents,
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something that most ukrainians will not buy? it is just not clear and it does not add up. not buy? it isjust not clear and it does not add up.— not buy? it isjust not clear and it does not add up. thank you for your anal sis. does not add up. thank you for your analysis- ltest _ does not add up. thank you for your analysis. best to _ does not add up. thank you for your analysis. best to you _ does not add up. thank you for your analysis. best to you and _ does not add up. thank you for your analysis. best to you and your - does not add up. thank you for your| analysis. best to you and your team. to give you a sense of some of the changes we are seeing, in terms of the strikes that have been taking place. you can see the map of ukraine here and the city of ivano—frankivsk, which we now know has been subject to a bombardment from russia overnight and over the past few days and it is significant, it is an area that had previously been deemed to be relatively safe and we can speak to olena now who is there. i knowjust a few minutes ago we were speaking to you and your having to deal with this everyday. the air raid sirens were going, we had to stop talking to you. this is
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just rooting for you, isn't it? you are right- — just rooting for you, isn't it? you are right- i— just rooting for you, isn't it? you are right- i am — just rooting for you, isn't it? you are right. i am used _ just rooting for you, isn't it? mm. are right. i am used to hearing sirens and i am used to regular air strike alerts. i was not surprised when i heard sirens. i cannot ignore them. i should get into a safer place. them. i should get into a safer lace. , ,. , ., ., place. describe for me what has been ha enin: place. describe for me what has been happening in — place. describe for me what has been happening in the _ place. describe for me what has been happening in the city _ place. describe for me what has been happening in the city in _ place. describe for me what has been happening in the city in terms - place. describe for me what has been happening in the city in terms of - happening in the city in terms of the damage done?— happening in the city in terms of the damage done? happening in the city in terms of the damaue done? , , . the damage done? yesterday, we heard liuht the damage done? yesterday, we heard light explosions — the damage done? yesterday, we heard light explosions near— the damage done? yesterday, we heard light explosions near the _ the damage done? yesterday, we heard light explosions near the airport. - light explosions near the airport. there is no damage in ivano—frankivsk. it is much safer here than in other regions in ukraine. l here than in other regions in ukraine. , ., ., ukraine. i 'ust wonder what the effect is ukraine. i just wonder what the effect is psychologically - ukraine. i just wonder what the effect is psychologically on - ukraine. i just wonder what the i effect is psychologically on people there. hearing the air raids, which i know, like a lot of other ukrainians, you say you're getting used to, but i am assuming that previously you thought your selves
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to be relatively safe there. it is to be relatively safe there. it is different for _ to be relatively safe there. it is different for me, _ to be relatively safe there. it is different for me, i _ to be relatively safe there. it is different for me, i am - to be relatively safe there. it 3 different for me, i am from kharkiv, i evacuated from there, and ifeel much safer in ivano—frankivsk. i can tell that other people here are nervous or worried. tell tell that other people here are nervous or worried.— tell that other people here are nervous or worried. tell us a little bit about regular _ nervous or worried. tell us a little bit about regular day-to-day - nervous or worried. tell us a little bit about regular day-to-day life i bit about regular day—to—day life where you are now. help bit about regular day-to-day life where you are now.— bit about regular day-to-day life where you are now. how are things workin: ? where you are now. how are things working? it — where you are now. how are things working? it seems _ where you are now. how are things working? it seems almost - where you are now. how are things working? it seems almost normal, | working? it seems almost normal, because some of the shops are open, sometimes it is difficult to buy something that you want to purchase. here in ivano—frankivsk, we can still get cash and pay by card, there are no food shortages. you can
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get help from locals. life seems normal here.— get help from locals. life seems normal here. . , ., ., ., normal here. families are having to make difficult _ normal here. families are having to make difficult decisions _ normal here. families are having to make difficult decisions at - normal here. families are having to make difficult decisions at the - make difficult decisions at the moment. tell us about your mother, who i understand it is in kharkiv, is that right? mi; who i understand it is in kharkiv, is that right?_ who i understand it is in kharkiv, is that right? my mother is in that reuion and is that right? my mother is in that region and l— is that right? my mother is in that region and i am _ is that right? my mother is in that region and i am very _ is that right? my mother is in that region and i am very worried - is that right? my mother is in that| region and i am very worried about her and trying to persuade her to evacuate. the other day there was an organised humanitarian corridor and i'm afraid that it might be the next target for russians. we i'm afraid that it might be the next target for russians.— target for russians. we have seen some of the _ target for russians. we have seen some of the damage _ target for russians. we have seen some of the damage that - target for russians. we have seen some of the damage that has - target for russians. we have seen| some of the damage that has been done and when you have these conversations with your mother and you say you are encouraging her to try and leave, what does she say to you? try and leave, what does she say to ou? ,, , ., , ., you? she repeats all the time, everything _ you? she repeats all the time, everything is — you? she repeats all the time, everything is going to - you? she repeats all the time, everything is going to be - you? she repeats all the time, everything is going to be all i you? she repeats all the time, i everything is going to be all right, you will come back one day,
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everything is going to be all right, don't worry about me. she is begging me to leave. she is afraid to go into nowhere, because if we go abroad, we do not have a place to stay and she repeats that. she has a job here, she wants to stay. i respect her decision, but i do not agree with her. i think that she should leave. this agree with her. i think that she should leave.— agree with her. i think that she should leave. ~ , ., ~ should leave. as you were talking, 'ust here should leave. as you were talking, just here in — should leave. as you were talking, just here in the _ should leave. as you were talking, just here in the studio, _ should leave. as you were talking, just here in the studio, for- should leave. as you were talking, just here in the studio, for our- just here in the studio, for our audiences, we are seeing, i think this is the train station in kharkiv and we are seeing the scale of the numbers of people who are either taking shelter or trying to leave. l taking shelter or trying to leave. i took the train myself. i evacuated from kharkiv to dnipro and then to
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lviv and then to havana, k. what lviv and then to havana, k. what about from _ lviv and then to havana, k. what about from i _ lviv and then to havana, k. what about you. i know _ lviv and then to havana, k. what about you. i know things - lviv and then to havana, k. what about you. i know things are i about you. i know things are changing from day to day, but what do you hope to do, i know you are working as a translator, that is a hugely important role, what do you hope to do? i hugely important role, what do you hope to do?— hope to do? i am on an emotional roller-coaster _ hope to do? i am on an emotional roller-coaster and _ hope to do? i am on an emotional roller-coaster and i _ hope to do? i am on an emotional roller-coaster and i change i hope to do? i am on an emotional roller-coaster and i change my i roller—coaster and i change my decision all the time, because one minute i want to stay here and work as a volunteer and translator and the next minute i want to leave or come back to kharkiv, to fight with our volunteers. come back to kharkiv, to fight with ourvolunteers. i come back to kharkiv, to fight with our volunteers. i am come back to kharkiv, to fight with our volunteers. iam not come back to kharkiv, to fight with our volunteers. i am not certain what i am going to do next. you are not the first — what i am going to do next. you are not the first ukrainian _ what i am going to do next. you are not the first ukrainian who - what i am going to do next. you are not the first ukrainian who we i what i am going to do next. you are not the first ukrainian who we have | not the first ukrainian who we have spoken to, you are a translator, thatis spoken to, you are a translator, that is yourjob, and you have just told me that you are considering going back to your home to fight. yes, sure. i know volunteers in
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kharkiv who are fighting with the armed forces and i would probably do the same or help in any possible way, because i cannot stay out of this, because kharkiv is my hometown and i love it and this, because kharkiv is my hometown and i love itand i this, because kharkiv is my hometown and i love it and i have friends and family there and i would rather die than give it to the russians. thank ou so than give it to the russians. thank you so much _ than give it to the russians. thank you so much for— than give it to the russians. thank you so much for talking _ than give it to the russians. thank you so much for talking to - than give it to the russians. thank you so much for talking to us. i i you so much for talking to us. i know it is a little complicated because we had an interruption, which for you i know is a constant concern every day. we really appreciate your time this morning. good luck and thank you very much. thank you very much.— thank you very much. olena left kharkiv, thank you very much. olena left kharkiv. her— thank you very much. olena left kharkiv, her mother _ thank you very much. olena left kharkiv, her mother is _ thank you very much. olena left kharkiv, her mother is still i thank you very much. olena left | kharkiv, her mother is still there. kharkiv, her mother is still there. kharkiv is the second largest city and it has suffered nightly russian air strikes and dozens of civilians have been killed and buildings have been decimated. someone who is still
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there... kharkiv, ukraine's second—largest city, has suffered nightly russian airstrikes and shelling which has killed dozens of civilians and decimated buildings. we're joined now by nargiz gurbanova a lawyer in kharkiv. she's been sheltering in the basement of a local hospital but says people cannot sleep due to the sounds of missiles. thank you for talking to us, where are you now?— thank you for talking to us, where are you now? now i am staying in a local hospital. _ are you now? now i am staying in a local hospital, bad _ are you now? now i am staying in a local hospital, bad is _ are you now? now i am staying in a local hospital, bad is the _ are you now? now i am staying in a local hospital, bad is the most i local hospital, had is the most appropriate place in my area to stay safe and survive and survive this crazy insane war that the russian government and russian army started against the ukrainian people. i do not understand what they are fighting for. kharkiv is the biggest city in ukraine. we use russian language everyday. i do not understand what they are fighting for. my area is formed totally. i do not understand where i will go after war ends. lots of my friends are
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refugees in european countries. i don't understand but the russian government is fighting for. citizens are dying, kids are in their basements, the last night was a terrible nightmare, because i stayed in the basement and a few blocks away from me the windows were broken and people in the hospital needed to go to the basement to survive. this situation is horrible. loath? go to the basement to survive. this situation is horrible.— situation is horrible. why have you sta ed? i situation is horrible. why have you stayed? i stayed _ situation is horrible. why have you stayed? i stayed because - situation is horrible. why have you stayed? i stayed because my i situation is horrible. why have you i stayed? i stayed because my mother works as a nurse _ stayed? i stayed because my mother works as a nurse in _ stayed? i stayed because my mother works as a nurse in the _ stayed? i stayed because my mother works as a nurse in the local- works as a nurse in the local hospital and she needs to protect people and to help them to keep their health normal in a normal condition. my father works there as a volunteer, he helps the national ukrainian army and their forces to protect and provide them with all
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the necessary stuff and that is why we decided to stay. i have a number of friends that lost their houses and they are now moving to european cities in order to find a better life. ~ ., , ,, cities in order to find a better life. ~ . , ., ., m life. what is your father doing? my father makes _ life. what is your father doing? my father makes it _ life. what is your father doing? my father makes it possible _ life. what is your father doing? my father makes it possible to - life. what is your father doing? my father makes it possible to provide the ukrainian forces with water and all the stuff they need, heaney —— he works as a volunteer, he helps hospitals, he brings food to people in the basements, the underground stations, he is bringing food and essential medicine to people in need. ~ ., ., ~' need. what do you think it will happen? what _ need. what do you think it will happen? what are _ need. what do you think it will happen? what are you - need. what do you think it will happen? what are you hearing need. what do you think it will i happen? what are you hearing in terms of russian advancement in the ukraine? obviously kharkiv has seen significant shelling and devastation.— significant shelling and devastation. , _ , , significant shelling and
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devastation. , ,~ , , ., ., , devastation. yes, my city is totally devastated — devastation. yes, my city is totally devastated from _ devastation. yes, my city is totally devastated from the _ devastation. yes, my city is totally devastated from the air, _ devastation. yes, my city is totally devastated from the air, so - devastation. yes, my city is totally| devastated from the air, so actually the bombs are thrown from the air, this is total bombardment of our local, peacefulareas. iam this is total bombardment of our local, peaceful areas. i am sure that we will win this crazy insane war that was started from nowhere and we will protect our lands, our cities, ourfamilies and citizens from this crazy attack of russian aggression. i guess we will win, it is 100%. aggression. i guess we will win, it is 10096. ., aggression. i guess we will win, it is 100%. ., ., , ., ~ is 10096. your mother is working in the hospital— is 10096. your mother is working in the hospital and _ is 10096. your mother is working in the hospital and your _ is 10096. your mother is working in the hospital and your father - is 10096. your mother is working in the hospital and your father is i the hospital and your father is helping with the military work, what are you doing? you are a lawyer. what are you doing today? in are you doing? you are a lawyer. what are you doing today? in the reuular what are you doing today? in the regular days _ what are you doing today? in the regular days i _ what are you doing today? in the regular days i was _ what are you doing today? in the regular days i was working i what are you doing today? in the regular days i was working as i what are you doing today? in the regular days i was working as a i regular days i was working as a criminal defence lawyer in a private company and now we are working under bombs, because we gather facts and pictures of ruined objects such as
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schools, kindergartens, all the establishments and we gather all these facts and materials to provide to the international criminal court, and the european court of human rights, because... we are helping people to gather the facts and pictures, so we can provide the officials of the international criminal court with this information.— criminal court with this information. ., ~ , ., , criminal court with this information. ., ~ , . ., information. thank you very much for our time. information. thank you very much for your time- do — information. thank you very much for your time. do take _ information. thank you very much for your time. do take care. _ information. thank you very much for your time. do take care. thank- information. thank you very much for your time. do take care. thank you i your time. do take care. thank you for telling us what is happening where you are. we are hearing the voices of the people choosing to stay. so what about the ukrainians who want to come to the uk. our political correspondent jonathan blakejoins us now.
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it is interesting. we are seen a number of images in hearing from those choosing to stay and we have seen many stories of those arriving in poland and the lengths those countries are going to to help them and then these question marks over just how it can work. these are for the relative small numbers wanting to come to the uk. it is the relative small numbers wanting to come to the uk.— to come to the uk. it is a different situation here _ to come to the uk. it is a different situation here and _ to come to the uk. it is a different situation here and a _ to come to the uk. it is a different situation here and a different i situation here and a different approach from the government which has come in for pretty harsh criticism since the war in ukraine broke out, but the prime minister and the government are stressing the need to maintain security and to have proper checks on those attempting to come here who are fleeing the fighting in ukraine, to safeguard against any potential attempts by criminals or others to take advantage of that process. there has been the odd tweak around the edges, slight change to the government approach, it is now possible for people to apply for a visa online if they have family
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links in the uk, in the hope it will speed up the process for some people who found it too arduous and too long—winded. there will be another route for people without family links, that was first promised a couple of weeks ago, we still do not have the details, we are promised those in the next day or so, whereby most people will be able to open up their homes, charities, businesses will be able to offer accommodation and sponsor people to come to the uk from ukraine who do not have family ties here. the prime minister has said that the numbers approved with a visa will rise sharply soon and there is no sign of thatjust yet, there is no sign of thatjust yet, the latest figure is just over 1300 being approved for phases in the uk fleeing the war in ukraine.— fleeing the war in ukraine. jonathan blirh, fleeing the war in ukraine. jonathan bligh. thank — fleeing the war in ukraine. jonathan bligh. thank you — fleeing the war in ukraine. jonathan bligh, thank you very _ fleeing the war in ukraine. jonathan bligh, thank you very much. - here's nick with a look at this morning's weather.
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iam i am talking about a changeable weather and the satellite picture, the most recent one gives an idea of what i'm talking about. this area of cloud is a weather system that has brought rain and it is pushing north and then you have got this gap where we have some sunshine and that will become more widespread as the morning goes on, but this next area of cloud, there is the next weather system coming in, moving towards the north west, with more rain later. a changeable picture, but there are those gaps between weather systems allowing sunshine and you may catch showers as well and it is looking like a windy weekend, one that gets windier particularly as we go through the night and into tomorrow and here is why. you saw on the satellite picture, the cloud in the south west, that is from that low pressure, with the rain, around that, strong winds and gales becoming widespread in the west. there are some warnings in place for the west this weekend. this is the picture through the rest of this morning, that area of cloud with the rain becoming confined to scotland
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on the north of scotland this afternoon whereas elsewhere there is the gap where you get to see the sunshine, might catch a shower, then the rain moving into the south west of england and south west wales. the temperatures 9—13 . it is notjust the rain moving into the south west, it is the strengthening wind. there could be some guts for a time, 60 or 70 mph as we see the rain move in. dangerous conditions around the coastlines and the gales will become more widespread through the rsa and parts of northern ireland and south west scotland on through the night. with the rain, it will make further progress into parts of england as the night goes on. east of that, clear spells, the night goes on. east of that, clearspells, right the night goes on. east of that, clear spells, right along the north sea coast, the chance of rain, the clearest weather in the north of scotland, it may allow for a touch of frost. into the second part of the weekend, that is where that area of low pressure will be sitting,
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thatis of low pressure will be sitting, that is why closest to that in the west, you get the strongest winds with the gales, big waves on the coastlines. in terms of the rain, it is sitting here first thing in the morning, but has to move east through the east of england and the east of scotland before clearing away, through the gap, sunny spells and showers, some could be heavy and thundery. mainly in northern ireland longer spells of rain. a windy day, these are some of the gas, they are strongest 50—60 mph around some irish sea coasts. it may feel a touch cooler as we go through tomorrow and even though there are sunny spells around, across the south, the chance of a touch of frost on monday morning. a quick look into next week, scotland and northern ireland seen rain at times during the first part of the way, it will push south through wales and england midweek and the further south you are before the arrival of eddie rain, though not very much, it may turn very mild for cooling off rule later in the wake and becoming
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hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. you may be aware, one of the things we trying to do is bring together the main stories of what has been happening in ukraine. jon donnison is going to run through the details. we are seeing attacks to the west of the country which is something we
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were not expecting to happen perhaps so soon considering the concentration by russian troops was definitely on the east and in donbas. one of the consequences of that is the areas in the west which were previously considered more safe, not safe any more, people having to flee and the numbers of refugees going up all the time, over 2.5 million. let's look at the map. the areas in red are those we think are now in russian control. the areas in red and white stripes are where russian forces are advancing. up up in kyiv and down there. now you'll notice we'll got a lot more towns and cities featured on the map and that is because as i say the assault seems to be widening. lutsk was hit for the first time yesterday and it has been targeted again overnight, the same with dnipro right there in the east. that was hit yesterday, that shoe factory got badly hit, and it has been targeted again. ivano—frankivsk, we had a young woman from their on
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today and the sirens going off. mariupol, we will have more on that in the south—east later. this place, mykolaiv, it is a gateway port to the black sea, we haven't had much on it yet. strategically important. we have some pictures from there we can look at now. it has been pretty heavily targeted and a lot of resistance is being put up by the ukrainians. the russians haven't got hold of it yet. let's go up north to bucha, north of the capital kyiv, there we have had a lot of heavy fighting. we have some pictures of the streets, pretty deserted now, heading out to bucha, to the front line, a bit of damage by the side of the road, and many people from that part of the country have cleared out. these actually are ukrainian
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soldiers just in the area around kyiv, and here you can see them engaging with russian troops in the forests. and that we think russian troops are now less than ten miles from the centre of the capital. let's look at some more satellite images we have got. you can see some military hardware the russians have shifted around the capital, some strikes close to an airport and also this residential area where you can see some fires still burning, where houses appear to have been targeted. we are going to have a look at the situation with refugees. as i was saying, all the while that these previously safe areas are now being targeted, the number of refugees is growing, the vast majority heading west, poland in particular, nearly 1.5 million have gone there. we have had president zelensky talking over saying there will be fresh attempts to try and establish ceasefires to
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set up these humanitarian corridors, particularly in mariupol in the south—east. they have had attempts before and ceasefires have not held. they will try again today. we are going to end in mariupol. you will remember that maternity hospital got hit last week, awful scenes, this young woman, marianna, is quite a well—known social media influencer. she was heavily pregnant, got caught in that ad was quite badly injured. on friday we can see she has had a baby girl. baga and charlie, a bit of good news, but what a world to be born into. thanks very much. the time is 9:33am. let's speak now to our security correspondent, frank gardner. good morning, charlie. frank is in london. lovely _ good morning, charlie. frank is in london. lovely to _ good morning, charlie. frank is in london. lovely to see _ good morning, charlie. frank is in london. lovely to see you. - good morning, charlie. frank is in london. lovely to see you. i i good morning, charlie. frank is in l london. lovely to see you. i wanted to bring up this image, the live shot of the key of this morning. it
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is one of these juxtaposition images, isn't it? the city, which is now day 17 of the russian invasion our correspondence telling as you can hear in the distance the sound of bombings, and we know so many other places in ukraine have already been subject to some form of attack. as you reflect on it now, how do you see putin's strategy? he as you reflect on it now, how do you see putin's strategy?— see putin's strategy? he is clearly im atient see putin's strategy? he is clearly impatient despite _ see putin's strategy? he is clearly impatient despite the _ see putin's strategy? he is clearly impatient despite the fact - see putin's strategy? he is clearly impatient despite the fact the i impatient despite the fact the russians are saying everything is going according to plan. if that's the case it wasn't a very good plan because it has taken them far longer to take the cities than they expected. but they are now moving into a new phase, no question, they will have mastered their artillery, rocket launchers, drones and missiles close to these cities and the standard russian playbook is if they meet resistance, pummel it with a lot of shellfire, without that
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much consideration for civilian casualties. we have seen the siege mentality around towns like mariupol and chernihiv, which have involved cutting of heating, electricity, water for the inhabitants are so they are suffering desperately in a place like mariupol, where people are looking up snow simply to boil water to drink. there are lots of cases of dehydration there, people are starving and fighting each other for food. are starving and fighting each other forfood. this is stuff are starving and fighting each other for food. this is stuff we thought we had left behind decades ago in the 20th century. when it comes to kyiv, the capital, this is obviously a big city, 3—4,000,000 people, about half of those residents have left but the other half have really dug in. and again it is almost medieval, the kind of very basic measures that people are taking to try and defend themselves, filling sandbags, getting provisions, making
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molotov cocktails out of crude bottles and fuses, ready to resist the assault when it comes. in the meantime, russia is reported to be using chechen fighters and has appealed to syrians to come and join the fight, those who fought in aleppo. i think the best indication of how russia is going to fight these final battles in the city is if you look at how they fought in grozny and in aleppo where it was street to street fighting, but absolutely decimating the city in the process. will putin do that to kyiv? it's difficult to say because kyiv? it's difficult to say because kyiv is historic. kyiv was the capital of the empire long before moscow existed. it is more ancient than moscow. and if he destroys kyiv, and news of that gets back to russia that will not be popular. but i think he will stop at nothing to
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subjugate ukraine to his will. id rather have a smouldering ruin next door to him in ukraine than have ukrainejoin western door to him in ukraine than have ukraine join western europe door to him in ukraine than have ukrainejoin western europe by joining the eu and nato. sorry about my croaky voice. [30 joining the eu and nato. sorry about my croaky voice-— my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? — my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? feel _ my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? feel free _ my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? feel free if _ my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? feel free if you - my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? feel free if you need i my croaky voice. do you need a sip of water? feel free if you need to. | of water? feel free if you need to. during the week this week people will have heard reports about the alarming suggestions that is the resistance in ukraine has proved successful in holding back what he may have thought was quite a quick process to take over the country, the real alarm that putin will resort to even more deadly weapons, what do you make of that? i resort to even more deadly weapons, what do you make of that?— what do you make of that? i wouldn't take it off the — what do you make of that? i wouldn't take it off the table _ what do you make of that? i wouldn't take it off the table because i what do you make of that? i wouldn't take it off the table because he i take it off the table because he will stop at nothing. the sort of doomsday weapons we are talking about here are the use of thermobaric vacuum bombs in built—up
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areas. they are not forbidden, these areas. they are not forbidden, these are bombs that create a massive fuel air explosion, supersonic shock wave of heat and pressure, which basically kills anybody in the building through pressure and heat. they are only bound if you use them in built—up areas, it isn't illegal to use them against formations of troops in the open. but he could choose to use those, there are reports they were used in syria. he could potentially, this is what the pentagon fears, resort to chemical weapons, poisoned gas, to simply break the will of the population. that would be a huge red line crossed. poison gas, chemical weapons were used extensively in syria. the organisation for the prohibition of chemical weapons says they were used at the 17 times in syria, others put it as high as 85 times. that's what broke the will of
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the residents of aleppo and other towns. they simply couldn't fight back against this mustard gas and chlorine that would come down the stairs and seep into the sellers and kill families. there is no indication he's going to do it, but it is one of the things that is possible. russia is supposed to have destroyed all of its stocks of chemical weapons by 2017, but then there was novichok, which was a lethal nerve agent which we know was administered to sergei skripal and his daughter in salisbury in 2018 and then again in 2020, russian agents poisoned, allegedly, there was no one else who could have done it, alexei navalny, inside russia on a flight between two russian cities. so that is a possibility. the final armageddon weapon is tactical nuclear warheads. these are very small almost any nuclear weapons fired from artillery shells and
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could be dropped from planes, enough to take out a football stadium not a whole city, still create a plume of radioactive smoke and ash and again it would be a massive red line crossed. but putin is an isolated, desperate, determined to get his will and he will not stop at anything less than surrender. in a anything less than surrender. in a wa ou anything less than surrender. in a way you have _ anything less than surrender. in a way you have just answered the question i was going to ask, which is some people, asking selves one way or another, how can this end? there is a phrase used a lot in diplomatic terms of an off ramp, what can it be that can get us of this pathway? notwithstanding what you just said, what are your thoughts on that?— you just said, what are your thouuhts on that? ,, , . , thoughts on that? russia's demands have not changed. _ thoughts on that? russia's demands have not changed. they _ thoughts on that? russia's demands have not changed. they are i thoughts on that? russia's demands| have not changed. they are adamant ukraine must give up all hope of joining the eu or nato. ukraine is a sovereign country, an independent sovereign country, an independent sovereign country, an independent sovereign country that voted overwhelmingly in 1991 in the break
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of the soviet union to be independent and it has chosen that it wants tojoin independent and it has chosen that it wants to join the eu and nato. independent and it has chosen that it wants tojoin the eu and nato. i don't think it's a good idea for it tojoin nato because that don't think it's a good idea for it to join nato because that ever happens that is a country that is essentially at war with russia. if a nato country is attacked then all members have to come to its defence and then you are into world war iii. butjoining the eu, they don't even want them to do that. the other demand is that ukraine accept russia's annexation of crimea and accepts the independence of those two republics, those self—declared breakaway russian backed republics. that is a luhansk and donetsk. they could possibly find a compromise on those two. russia already occupies crimea. of course it is historic and for ukraine that would be like cutting off their hand, but they already occupy it. if that's what it took to save the rest of the country
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it could be something they could look at. and i think there will come a point in this where ukraine's embattled, beleaguered leaders who been incredibly brave, there may come a point at which they say, look, the longer this goes on the list that is going to be left of our country. they may have to take a very bold step. but then you are into an insurgency situation were russian forces roll in, occupy the cities, enforce their rule on everybody and you have an insurgency, possibly fuelled by the west, and that could well be what the next phase is, the kind of long—term afghanistan with west supplying weapons to the insurgents making ukraine ungovernable. but an awful place to live in. it is tragically sad, it needn't have been this way. tragically sad, it needn't have been this wa . ., ~ ., ~ tragically sad, it needn't have been this wa . . ~ ., ~ tragically sad, it needn't have been this wa . . ~' . ~' i., ., tragically sad, it needn't have been this wa . . ~ ., ~ ., , this way. frank, thank you for this time this morning _ this way. frank, thank you for this time this morning and _ this way. frank, thank you for this time this morning and we i this way. frank, thank you for this time this morning and we will i this way. frank, thank you for this time this morning and we will let. time this morning and we will let you get away and have a glass of water or a cup of coffee. nice to see you. it is 9:42am, good morning.
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there is a game on today and there was a big game yesterday, i'm talking about the six nations and gavin is here again. it's the penultimate weekend of the six nations, always comes and goes quickly. big game last night and today. france remain unbeaten in this year's six nations. after a tight 13—9 win over wales last night. france scored the only try of the game through anthonyjelonch in the first half. and despite wales staying within touching distance, theyjust couldn't breach the french defence. that's three defeats in four for last year's winners wales, while france head into next week's game against england still in grand slam contention. heartbreakfor heartbreak for wales in that match, giving the favourites france a real run for their money in cardiff last night. two matches today to look forward to, england against ireland at twickenham, both of those sides in with a chance of winning the six nations but first up to scotland against italy in rome. former scotland international scott
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hastings joins us now. scotland international scott hastingsjoins us now. you'd expect scotland to come away from rome with a win today but after the opening weekend victory it has been a bit of a disappointment in this campaign. it is kind of one step forward and two back. scotland are going to have to focus in on this game. it could be a banana skin match for them, however, italy who have chalked up 100 losses in the six nations championship, are at home today, but scotland will be very wary that italy always look upon scotland as a potential victory. scotland just have to be patient in the build—up to this particular game, they need to this particular game, they need to manage the game well, adapt to the pressure that will be put on them, and they have try scoring abilities, great players, the captain stuart hogg, finn russell, loss of focus goes on those two players but if both of those players get it right the other players can spin off them and there is real quality in the scotland team but
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they have been like inconsistency in this championship. is it they have been like inconsistency in this championship.— this championship. is it a case of t in: to this championship. is it a case of trying to pick _ this championship. is it a case of trying to pick up _ this championship. is it a case of trying to pick up a _ this championship. is it a case of trying to pick up a bit _ this championship. is it a case of trying to pick up a bit of- this championship. is it a case of trying to pick up a bit of morale l trying to pick up a bit of morale after the heavy defeat to france two weeks ago? perhaps there was ill discipline in the scottish ranks. you could say that. scotland did well to get back into the game. they had an opportunity at the end of the first half to go into the changing rooms leading at half—time. however, they succumbed to a try from gael fickou on half time and there was a sucker punch just after half time so they have to eliminate the mistakes but they have a bit of experience backin but they have a bit of experience back in fagerson and hamish returns having been out through covid and that experience can stand scotland really well. but it's all about the consistency of performance are eliminating errors. they have an expansive game plan at their disposal but first and foremost it starts up front as all games of rugby. and quite frankly the scotland forwards have to react to this italian eight. you
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scotland forwards have to react to this italian eight.— this italian eight. you said a potential— this italian eight. you said a potential banana _ this italian eight. you said a potential banana skin i this italian eight. you said a potential banana skin with l this italian eight. you said a i potential banana skin with italy. we will see what happens later on, but looking at the french side at the moment, wejust saw looking at the french side at the moment, we just saw pictures of france beating scotland last time out. how good do they look for you? they beat wales last night in a tight encounter. could they go on to win the grand slam?— tight encounter. could they go on to win the grand slam? without a doubt, ou'd fan win the grand slam? without a doubt, you'd fancy them _ win the grand slam? without a doubt, you'd fancy them in — win the grand slam? without a doubt, you'd fancy them in their— win the grand slam? without a doubt, you'd fancy them in their own i you'd fancy them in their own backyard in the starter de france, super saturday, last day of the championship up against england. and of course how england go today against ireland is really important as well because england are still in with a shout in the championship, as are ireland, so it could all go down to the last game in paris next weekend but it will be an absolute thriller and of course the french just love to back their own horse in their own stadium. wonderful atmosphere next week in paris. looking to the england and ireland game as well, we should look at that one in terms of potential winners for the six nations too. they are both in with a chance, aren't they?
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every year the six nations comes around and there was always this debate, scotland got the championship after a fantastic start by beating their rivals england, france always looking dangerous right the way through this championship, they have their unity back, but ireland well coached by andy farrell, they have experience from johnny sexton who is back in fly—half, and it will be a humdinger of a game. it really is. i'm looking forward to the scotland— italy game and hope scotland do get a good confidence boosting win. but to follow on with england against ireland it will be magnificent today. looks to be a great day ahead. . ~' ,, today. looks to be a great day ahead. . ~' i” ., today. looks to be a great day ahead. ., ~ ., , ahead. thank you, scott hastings. scott brought _ ahead. thank you, scott hastings. scott brought the _ ahead. thank you, scott hastings. scott brought the word _ ahead. thank you, scott hastings. scott brought the word humdingerj scott brought the word humdinger onto the programme this morning which is always welcome. absolutely, what a word it is. it is nick's job in outer wave that seamlessly into the weather, humdinger, there you go.
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it is not a humdinger of a weekend, it is not a humdinger of a weekend, i will get it out of the way straightaway but we will all see some sunshine over the weekend but it will turn windy as the area of pressure moves in, making a mark on the south—west of the uk later this afternoon and move up the western side where gales are expected overnight and into tomorrow. it's an improving picture for many out there today after quite a damp start, still some outbreaks of rain in northern england and scotland, pushing its way northwards, still around the northern and western isles by the end of the afternoon, sunny spells, a chance of a shower before rain moves in in cornwall, devon, pembrokeshire through the afternoon with ever strengthening winds as well. let's look at the winds, we could see gusts in the isles of scilly into cornwall, 60, 70 mph, 50—60 elsewhere, as the rain moves in, so they could be dangerous conditions around the coastline, and there are some met office wind warnings for western areas of the uk this morning so have a look at those. though strong winds extend through the irish sea, northern
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ireland and western scotland overnight, this area of rain slowly slipping further eastwards as the night goes on, no are particularly cold as tomorrow starts. here is the area of low pressure settings to the west tomorrow, with a band of rain pushing through the eastern side of england and scotland, sunny spells and showers following on behind, strong winds with gales in the west, may be some longer spells of rain in northern ireland and western scotland. it will be a windy day more widely across the uk as we go on through tomorrow and it's going to feel a touch cool as well. that is your weekend weather. to feel a touch cool as well. that is your weekend weather. tomorrow's word is roller—coaster, nick. how about that? take care. the time is 9.49. they were one of the biggest bands of the 19805 with songs like everybody wants to rule the world and shout. after an 18 year hiatus tears for fears are back with new music.
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we caught up with curt smith and roland orzabal a little while ago to talk about their latest album tipping point. # who's that ghost knocking at my door # watch that shape climbing over my wall # shoes the trouble in the headline # shoes the trouble in the headline # shoes the devil you understand... # the rec shout, shout # let it all out # let it all out # these are the things i can do without # come on # come on # i'm talking to you # i'm talking to you # come on... # # come on... # # everybody wants to rule the world # everybody wants to rule the world # say that you'll never, never,
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never need it # everybody wants to rule the world... # delighted to say roland and kurt both here chuckling a bit, i'm thinking. always wonderful to see yourself in your prime. always wonderful to see yourself in your prime-— always wonderful to see yourself in your prime-_ 23. your prime. how old were you? 23, 24. your prime. how old were you? 23, 24- before — your prime. how old were you? 23, 24. before the _ your prime. how old were you? 23, 24. before the album _ your prime. how old were you? 23, 24. before the album was - your prime. how old were you? 23,| 24. before the album was released, ou're 24. before the album was released, you're making _ 24. before the album was released, you're making the _ 24. before the album was released, you're making the videos _ 24. before the album was released, you're making the videos before - 24. before the album was released, you're making the videos before the singles _ you're making the videos before the singles are — you're making the videos before the singles are released so we were 23 or 24 _ singles are released so we were 23 or 24 so _ singles are released so we were 23 or 24. , ., singles are released so we were 23 or 24. ,, ., ., or 24. so there you are, going fantastically, _ or 24. so there you are, going fantastically, you _ or 24. so there you are, going fantastically, you have - or 24. so there you are, going fantastically, you have the - or 24. so there you are, going - fantastically, you have the mullets going on, everything was good in the world. we going on, everything was good in the world. ~ ., ., world. we were never good with her, or were we? — world. we were never good with her, or were we? at _ world. we were never good with her, or were we? at least _ world. we were never good with her, or were we? at least i _ world. we were never good with her, or were we? at least i had _ world. we were never good with her, or were we? at least i had some - world. we were never good with her, | or were we? at least i had some then which was a — or were we? at least i had some then which was a plus. _ or were we? at least i had some then which was a plus. it _ or were we? at least i had some then which was a plus. it is _ or were we? at least i had some then which was a plus. it is still _ which was a plus. it is still lookin: which was a plus. it is still looking good. _ which was a plus. it is still looking good. you - which was a plus. it is still looking good. you were i which was a plus. it is still - looking good. you were saying that yourson looking good. you were saying that your son is... mr; looking good. you were saying that your son is- - -_ your son is... my youngest son is 27. your son is. .. my youngest son is 27- older— your son is... my youngest son is 27. older than _ your son is... my youngest son is 27. older than you _ your son is... my youngest son is 27. older than you were - your son is... my youngest son is 27. older than you were there. i your son is... my youngest son is - 27. older than you were there. when it comes to — 27. older than you were there. when it comes to their _ 27. older than you were there. when it comes to their hair, _ 27. older than you were there. when it comes to their hair, what - 27. older than you were there. when it comes to their hair, what does - 27. older than you were there. when it comes to their hair, what does he l it comes to their hair, what does he
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say? did you get it right? he actuall say? did you get it right? he: actually has a mullets now because they are back. actually has a mullets now because they are back-— actually has a mullets now because they are back. they are back, aren't the ? it they are back. they are back, aren't they? it is — they are back. they are back, aren't they? it is strange _ they are back. they are back, aren't they? it is strange for— they are back. they are back, aren't they? it is strange for me, - they are back. they are back, aren't they? it is strange for me, even - they? it is strange for me, even thou . h they? it is strange for me, even though he _ they? it is strange for me, even though he is _ they? it is strange for me, even though he is blonde _ they? it is strange for me, even though he is blonde like - they? it is strange for me, even though he is blonde like his - they? it is strange for me, even i though he is blonde like his mum, they? it is strange for me, even - though he is blonde like his mum, he looks like i did at that age which is crazy, but he is six foot. the story of tears for fears is strange in many ways but the dynamic between you, do you want to sort of fill in the gaps? for people who think there you were doing your thing, then there was a prolonged period of time, you tell me you there was a prolonged period of time, you tell me— there was a prolonged period of time, you tell me you didn't even seak, is time, you tell me you didn't even speak. is that _ time, you tell me you didn't even speak, is that right? _ time, you tell me you didn't even speak, is that right? for - time, you tell me you didn't even speak, is that right? for a - time, you tell me you didn't even speak, is that right? for a period| speak, is that right? for a period of about nine _ speak, is that right? for a period of about nine years, _ speak, is that right? for a period of about nine years, i _ speak, is that right? for a period of about nine years, ithink- speak, is that right? for a period of about nine years, i think what| of about nine years, i think what happens — of about nine years, i think what happens is — of about nine years, i think what happens is we grew up together and became _ happens is we grew up together and became successful together and by our mid—to—late 20s we had become this very— our mid—to—late 20s we had become this very big — our mid—to—late 20s we had become this very big band and for me personally, i was trying to find some — personally, i was trying to find some individuality. so i think especially when you are growing up in your— especially when you are growing up in your 20s — especially when you are growing up in your20s and especially when you are growing up in your 20s and you are known as
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that guy— in your 20s and you are known as that guy from tears for fears, you are not— that guy from tears for fears, you are not kurt — that guy from tears for fears, you are not kurt smith, you are the guy from _ are not kurt smith, you are the guy from tears — are not kurt smith, you are the guy from tears for fears and in your mid-20s — from tears for fears and in your mid—20s you want to become an individuat — mid—20s you want to become an individual. that's why i decided i needed — individual. that's why i decided i needed to— individual. that's why i decided i needed to get away from england and moved _ needed to get away from england and moved to— needed to get away from england and moved to new york and met my wife in new york— moved to new york and met my wife in new york and i've been there for 35 years _ new york and i've been there for 35 years i_ new york and i've been there for 35 years. i think ijust needed to disappear— years. i think ijust needed to disappear for awhile. years. i think ijust needed to disappearforawhile. | years. i think i just needed to disappear for awhile.- years. i think i just needed to disappear for awhile. i know we are zi -|n~ disappear for awhile. i know we are zipping through _ disappear for awhile. i know we are zipping through this _ disappear for awhile. i know we are zipping through this you _ zipping through this you reconnected. who made the call. how did that happen? we reconnected. who made the call. how did that happen?— did that happen? we reconnected by fax, so the reverse _ did that happen? we reconnected by fax, so the reverse of _ did that happen? we reconnected by fax, so the reverse of phil _ did that happen? we reconnected by fax, so the reverse of phil collins. i fax, so the reverse of phil collins. a load of people won't understand what you are saying.— a load of people won't understand what you are saying. facsimile, the o- osite what you are saying. facsimile, the opposite of— what you are saying. facsimile, the opposite of phil— what you are saying. facsimile, the opposite of phil collins's _ what you are saying. facsimile, the opposite of phil collins's divorce . opposite of phil collins's divorce so he divorced by fax but we reunited by fax.— so he divorced by fax but we reunited by fax. you sent the fax messa . e reunited by fax. you sent the fax message and _ reunited by fax. you sent the fax message and it _ reunited by fax. you sent the fax message and it popped - reunited by fax. you sent the fax message and it popped up - reunited by fax. you sent the fax message and it popped up on - reunited by fax. you sent the fax | message and it popped up on the printer? it message and it popped up on the rinter? ,:, , , , message and it popped up on the rinter? , , , :, , printer? it popped up on the printer and we had — printer? it popped up on the printer and we had these _
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printer? it popped up on the printer and we had these business - printer? it popped up on the printer and we had these business things i printer? it popped up on the printer| and we had these business things on the go, we bought stuff when we were in the 80s together, god knows why, but we did but we were always dealing with these things, plus signing off on songs for publishing and adverts and films and all of a sudden curt popped up, he said he was my number, it has been nine years, give me a call. i hadn't spoken to him for nine years and i was like, should i should i not? we had this conversation and by this time curt has been living in america so he has this kind of mid—atlantic way of talking, talking inspiration and motivation and direction and he thinks it's rubbish but this is a kid from the snow hill flats in bath. i kid from the snow hill flats in bath. :, �* ~' , kid from the snow hill flats in bath. :, �* ~ , :,, bath. i don't think i used those words! he _ bath. i don't think i used those words! he can't _ bath. i don't think i used those words! he can't remember. - bath. i don't think i used those words! he can't remember. hej bath. i don't think i used those - words! he can't remember. he changed a bit. he words! he can't remember. he changed a bit- he changed _ words! he can't remember. he changed a bit. he changed a _ words! he can't remember. he changed a bit. he changed a lot. _ words! he can't remember. he changed a bit. he changed a lot. clearly - words! he can't remember. he changed a bit. he changed a lot. clearly you - a bit. he changed a lot. clearly you still have a — a bit. he changed a lot. clearly you still have a thing _ a bit. he changed a lot. clearly you still have a thing because - a bit. he changed a lot. clearly you still have a thing because here - a bit. he changed a lot. clearly you still have a thing because here we. still have a thing because here we are all these years later. we still have a thing because here we are all these years later.- are all these years later. we do without question, _ are all these years later. we do without question, and - are all these years later. we do without question, and we - are all these years later. we do without question, and we have | are all these years later. we do - without question, and we have been working on this new album for seven years now, long time. who;
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working on this new album for seven years now, long time.— years now, long time. why is so lonu. years now, long time. why is so long- lots _ years now, long time. why is so long- lots of— years now, long time. why is so long. lots of reasons. _ years now, long time. why is so long. lots of reasons. the - long. lots of reasons. the additional _ long. lots of reasons. the additional reason - long. lots of reasons. the additional reason why - long. lots of reasons. the additional reason why we | long. lots of reasons. the - additional reason why we decided to make _ additional reason why we decided to make new— additional reason why we decided to make new music was we have been playing _ make new music was we have been playing live — make new music was we have been playing live every year since the early _ playing live every year since the early 2000s, and the live set was getting _ early 2000s, and the live set was getting better and better and we were enjoying doing it but we felt the only— were enjoying doing it but we felt the only way to improve on that would _ the only way to improve on that would he — the only way to improve on that would be to really write some music so the _ would be to really write some music so the initial idea was reallyjust to have — so the initial idea was reallyjust to have new music to play. you so the initial idea was really 'ust to have new music to play. you often see bands get _ to have new music to play. you often see bands get back _ to have new music to play. you often see bands get back together- to have new music to play. you often see bands get back together and - to have new music to play. you often | see bands get back together and they had a certain way of working together and drew on certain things in life together. did you slip back into the old routine? lute in life together. did you slip back into the old routine?— in life together. did you slip back into the old routine? we were not really allowed _ into the old routine? we were not really allowed to, _ into the old routine? we were not really allowed to, there _ into the old routine? we were not really allowed to, there was - into the old routine? we were not really allowed to, there was a - into the old routine? we were not| really allowed to, there was a kind of lack of trust, can you guys make a record? :, of lack of trust, can you guys makej a record?_ management a record? from who? management aren a record? from who? management agency and — a record? from who? management agency and record _ a record? from who? management agency and record company. - a record? from who? management agency and record company. we i a record? from who? management- agency and record company. we worked with a group of songwriters and it was weird to be in a room with a guy
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writing the top line. it was weird because i've been doing this all my life. eventually we let that go and we found ourselves early 2020 with no manager, no record company and i just said to curt, let's get together with just the guitars like we did in the early days and see what comes out and it worked really well. i what comes out and it worked really well. :, �* ~' :, what comes out and it worked really well. :, �* ~ :, , ~ well. i don't know if it is the la zen thing _ well. i don't know if it is the la zen thing but _ well. i don't know if it is the la zen thing but you _ well. i don't know if it is the la zen thing but you both - well. i don't know if it is the la zen thing but you both seem i well. i don't know if it is the la i zen thing but you both seem very kind of zen. zen thing but you both seem very kind of zen-— zen thing but you both seem very kind of zen._ earlyl kind of zen. swan... yeah. early da s, kind of zen. swan... yeah. early days. tears _ kind of zen. swan... yeah. early days. tears for— kind of zen. swan... yeah. early days, tears for fears, _ kind of zen. swan... yeah. early days, tears for fears, there - kind of zen. swan... yeah. early| days, tears for fears, there were quite mad times in pop, won't they? there were a lot of characters knocking around. top of the pops experiences, you hear these tales of dressing rooms and big egos. i think our dressing rooms and big egos. i think your ego--- — dressing rooms and big egos. i think your ego... that's _ dressing rooms and big egos. i think your ego... that's part _ dressing rooms and big egos. i think your ego... that's part and - dressing rooms and big egos. i think your ego... that's part and parcel. your ego... that's part and parcel of that— your ego... that's part and parcel of that growing up process, i think in your— of that growing up process, i think in your 20s — of that growing up process, i think in your20s your of that growing up process, i think in your 20s your ego tends to be higger~ — in your 20s your ego tends to be bigger. even if you look back to your— bigger. even if you look back to your late — bigger. even if you look back to your late teens, early 20s, i'm sure
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your late teens, early 20s, i'm sure you thought — your late teens, early 20s, i'm sure you thought that you knew you were i’i l ht you thought that you knew you were right on _ you thought that you knew you were right on everything and everyone older— right on everything and everyone older than— right on everything and everyone older than you was completely wrong and when _ older than you was completely wrong and when you get older you realise it's not— and when you get older you realise it's not the — and when you get older you realise it's not the case and you realise some _ it's not the case and you realise some of— it's not the case and you realise some of the things you were wrong about— some of the things you were wrong about and — some of the things you were wrong about and you have, perspective over the years _ about and you have, perspective over the years in— about and you have, perspective over the years. in this writing process for the _ the years. in this writing process for the album, we ended up listening to other— for the album, we ended up listening to other people and because we hadn't _ to other people and because we hadn't done it for a while it took us awhile — hadn't done it for a while it took us awhile to get back to our roots. who is— us awhile to get back to our roots. who is the — us awhile to get back to our roots. who is the album for? you will no doubt have fans from the 80s who will go great, tears for fears, they are back, that epitomised that time in my life, and then there will be new fans. :, in my life, and then there will be new fans. . ., , , new fans. there are new fans, every generation — new fans. there are new fans, every generation seems — new fans. there are new fans, every generation seems to _ new fans. there are new fans, every generation seems to discover - new fans. there are new fans, every generation seems to discover us. i new fans. there are new fans, every. generation seems to discover us. and our shows, as curt will agree, we have young kids down the front, 18, 19, who identify with our first album which was written when we were 18 and 19, struggling with
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adolescence. any music of meaning and emotion which is trying to say something, people will identify with it. ~ , , , :, we something, people will identify with it. ~ , ,, :, wesort something, people will identify with it-— we sort of. it. why tipping point. we sort of felt that way. — it. why tipping point. we sort of felt that way, the _ it. why tipping point. we sort of felt that way, the tipping - it. why tipping point. we sort of felt that way, the tipping point i it. why tipping point. we sort of. felt that way, the tipping point had a different meaning, roland's late wife, _ a different meaning, roland's late wife, but — a different meaning, roland's late wife, but the amount of things we have _ wife, but the amount of things we have been— wife, but the amount of things we have been through over the last six years. _ have been through over the last six years. in— have been through over the last six years, in america, the rise of the right— years, in america, the rise of the right wing — years, in america, the rise of the right wing in— years, in america, the rise of the right wing in america, trump being elected. _ right wing in america, trump being elected, the black lives matter movement, the metoo movement, the pandemic, _ movement, the metoo movement, the pandemic, climate crisis, need go on? so— pandemic, climate crisis, need go on? so we — pandemic, climate crisis, need go on? so we felt the word very much felt at _ on? so we felt the word very much felt at a _ on? so we felt the word very much felt at a tipping point and i think us even — felt at a tipping point and i think us even going through this experience together was a tipping point _ experience together was a tipping point for— experience together was a tipping point for us personally whether we would _ point for us personally whether we would end — point for us personally whether we would end up finishing this project because _ would end up finishing this project because there were so many false starts _ because there were so many false starts the — because there were so many false starts. the fact that we did, it 'ust starts. the fact that we did, it just seemed like an apt title. got
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there in the _ just seemed like an apt title. (exit there in the end, lots of fans will be very happy. lovely to see you. it is lovely, it is all very calm, lovely seeing you, thank you very much. :, lovely seeing you, thank you very much. . ~', :, lovely seeing you, thank you very much. . :, ., , lovely seeing you, thank you very. much-— thank much. thanks for having us. thank ou, much. thanks for having us. thank you. good — much. thanks for having us. thank you. good luck- — much. thanks for having us. thank you, good luck. curt _ much. thanks for having us. thank you, good luck. curt and _ much. thanks for having us. thank you, good luck. curt and roland i you, good luck. curt and roland orzabal who were with us a couple of weeks ago. they have a wonderful friendship, clearly, but along the way it has been a bit camp located. that's it for this morning, breakfast back from the sixa tomorrow. do take care. bye—bye. —— from 6am tomorrow.
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