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tv   The Papers  BBC News  March 13, 2022 10:30pm-10:46pm GMT

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this is bbc news. the headlines: the international red cross says time is running out to prevent a worst—case scenario in the besieged southern ukrainian port of mariupol. russia has claimed it was targeting what it called foreign arms and mercenaries when it fired dozens of missiles at a military training base, near the border with poland. ukraine's president zelensky has been visiting some of his country's injured troops — his officials say ukraine has lost 1,300 soldiers in battle, but the figures can't be independenly verified. the us journalist brent renaud
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is shot dead in the town of irpin — the first foreign reporter to die in the conflict. and here, the government announces more details of a scheme to allow those fleeing the war in ukraine to come to the uk — people are to be offered £350 a month to take in refugees. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the broadcaster lucy beresford and joe twyman, director of the polling organisation deltapoll. good of you both to join us on this sunday evening. let's start with some of the front pages we have already got in to the building.
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the guardian leads with russia's attack on a military base near poland, which is thought to have killed at least 35 people. the same story makes the front page of the telegraph. the newspaper says the us has warned russia it would face nato�*s "full force" if attacks on ukraine strayed beyond the border. war has reached the nato border. so says the times, which carries a picture of the aftermath of the attack on the yavoriv base. the express calls the attack a "significant escalation" of the war, taking place so close to the border of poland — a nato member. and the metro reports that volunteers in the uk are being urged to take ukrainian refugees into their homes. and that is indeed the paper we are going to start with, so both of you, it warm, warm welcome for lucy, let's start with you. the metro focusing on refugees need to use the metro's front page, the image is, as we see time and time again, women
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and children coming across the borderfrom ukraine into border from ukraine into neighbouring borderfrom ukraine into neighbouring countries. and this is the call for help of people in the uk, a new scheme where they will be able to register in order to give a refugee a home.— able to register in order to give a refugee a home. yes, the headline is artl refugee a home. yes, the headline is partly deliberately _ refugee a home. yes, the headline is partly deliberately reminiscent - refugee a home. yes, the headline is partly deliberately reminiscent of - partly deliberately reminiscent of that very famous 1914 recruitment poster of "your country needs you". this is an instruction now, really, to encourage as many people as can offer space in their homes to ukrainian, mainly women and children, because of course the men are prevented between a certain age from leaving the country because they need to fight, but the idea that if we can encourage as many people to take in a refugee or maybe a family, that that might not only ease the refugee crisis that is looming over europe, but it would also do something to maybe change
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the impression that there's been a bit of a shambles by the government, particularly the home office, in its handling of the ukrainian refugees. certainly, psychologically, we are emotive creatures and if we see something, we can often feel very motivated to do the same things ourselves. if you get an instruction like this one on the front page of a newspaper, the government may be hoping that it is encouraging us to do things, because everyone else might be doing it too. jae. do things, because everyone else might be doing it too.— might be doing it too. joe, i want to focus on _ might be doing it too. joe, i want to focus on you _ might be doing it too. joe, i want to focus on you now, _ might be doing it too. joe, i want to focus on you now, because - to focus on you now, because given how many refugees poland has been taking in, the largest number of people coming across the border, we are going to have a look at a polish paper, focusing on that attack on the border with poland, but they want to look at is its focus on the refugees. great britain finally
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opening its doors to refugees, and just focusing in on that figure, the amount, £350 a month. given how money people in poland have opened their doors, ijust wonder, in terms of comparison, how other countries have been dealing with it, how are you feeling about the uk having to pay people to take in a family in need? �* , , . pay people to take in a family in need? ,, ., , need? and public opinion terms, there is a majority _ need? and public opinion terms, there is a majority in _ need? and public opinion terms, there is a majority in the - need? and public opinion terms, there is a majority in the country| there is a majority in the country that believes that as many ukrainians who want to come here should _ ukrainians who want to come here should be — ukrainians who want to come here should be allowed to do so, and there's— should be allowed to do so, and there's also recognition that the government should be doing more and a belief_ government should be doing more and a belief that, up until this point, it has_ a belief that, up until this point, it has been— a belief that, up until this point, it has been dragging its feet. and so among — it has been dragging its feet. and so among the british people, there is indeed _ so among the british people, there is indeed a — so among the british people, there is indeed a recognition that, compared to other countries, we could _ compared to other countries, we could do— compared to other countries, we could do more, and among many people in eumpe, _ could do more, and among many people in europe, there is a similar recognition for stubby question is,
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how successful will this scheme actually — how successful will this scheme actually be? when you ask people in the artificial construction of a survey— the artificial construction of a survey instrument if they would be want to _ survey instrument if they would be want to take in a refugee to their home: _ want to take in a refugee to their home, about one in ten people says yes, but_ home, about one in ten people says yes, but that is the principle of taking — yes, but that is the principle of taking someone in. it may be that when _ taking someone in. it may be that when it— taking someone in. it may be that when it comes to reality, people are far less _ when it comes to reality, people are far less able — when it comes to reality, people are far less able to do so, and if this scheme — far less able to do so, and if this scheme it's— far less able to do so, and if this scheme it's advised people to consider— scheme it's advised people to consider it when perhaps they previously would not have done, then that is— previously would not have done, then that is good _ previously would not have done, then that is good for resettling, but of course _ that is good for resettling, but of course it — that is good for resettling, but of course it is — that is good for resettling, but of course it is also the money sent to local_ course it is also the money sent to local authorities, to help resettling as well, that is all part of this— resettling as well, that is all part of this process. as lucy said, it is very— of this process. as lucy said, it is very important that... michael gove and keir— very important that... michael gove and keir starmer have said they will be registering in the scheme and hoping _ be registering in the scheme and hoping to— be registering in the scheme and hoping to host people at their homes, — hoping to host people at their homes, and vanity cumberbatch at the battes— homes, and vanity cumberbatch at the baftas tonight said the same thing. —— benedict cumberbatch. if this produces — —— benedict cumberbatch. if this produces a — —— benedict cumberbatch. if this produces a change of public behaviour, i think i will be viewed
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very positively across europe. we are very positively across europe. are going to very positively across europe. - are going to talk about benedict cumberbatch in a moment, because as you say, joe, he has as, "i will house a refugee" is how he put it earlier on, but lucy, i was at the border at the turn of the war between poland and ukraine and you continuously heard messages from polish authorities about the kind of things you need to think about if you are going to take in a refugee family, given the amount of trauma, the unimaginable experiences, that they have had. just from your professional perspective, lucy, what are the kind of things that a family needs to think about if they're going to open their doors? it is even basic stuff like, when do you use the kitchen? how are all those things, the pulitzer tories were talking about —— polish authorities were talking about... if talking about -- polish authorities were talking about. . ._ talking about -- polish authorities were talking about... if you want to work clinically _ were talking about... if you want to work clinically with _ were talking about... if you want to work clinically with people - were talking about... if you want to work clinically with people who - were talking about... if you want to | work clinically with people who have
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beenin work clinically with people who have been in traumatic situations of war zones, school shootings, whatever it might be, there might be certain verticals you follow, yet finally enough, the therapeutic alliance been one person and another is often way more powerful than anything that could be written down clinically, so there could be some quite important ground rules set around, yes, do you want to have free access to my kitchen, would you like me to cook for you, something quite basic like that, actually knowing summit has opened their house up to you, knowing that people are perhaps really supportive of you can be enough. you may not even to share that story, but it's knowing that someone might be available to listen to you can be therapeutic enough, and therefore i don't it we should worry too much about whether we have got the right checks and whether we have got the right skill set, but actuallyjust have got the right skill set, but actually just as have got the right skill set, but actuallyjust as human beings, opening our arms, which is what you
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witnessed on the border in particular in poland and countries like germany, where people have literally been going to the border, holding up signs, saying, how money runs they've got available. it has been done on a local level, not under really big stage, government level, and i do worry that in this country we are imposing too much of a state in this and not letting people get on with the really human interaction and just saying, please come, share our homes, we want to make a difference for you.— come, share our homes, we want to make a difference for you. there was such an overwhelming _ make a difference for you. there was such an overwhelming outpouring - make a difference for you. there was such an overwhelming outpouring of| such an overwhelming outpouring of people just turning up with a sign saying, i can house an amount of people, free transport to this and this place, but as the daily telegraph is suggesting, the uk is talking about checks on people who are opening their homes, but is ultimately these people are extremely vulnerable and weak talk us through what the uk government is talking about when it comes to
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looking at those people who want to open their doors. the looking at those people who want to open their doors.— open their doors. the british government _ open their doors. the british government is _ open their doors. the british government is talking - open their doors. the british government is talking about| open their doors. the british - government is talking about caring 0utback— government is talking about caring outback projects on people who are offering _ outback projects on people who are offering houses for accommodation, but also _ offering houses for accommodation, but also linking into specific names of people _ but also linking into specific names of people in ukraine, and so it is beyond — of people in ukraine, and so it is beyond the — of people in ukraine, and so it is beyond the kind of thing that we are seeing, _ beyond the kind of thing that we are seeing, as— beyond the kind of thing that we are seeing, as you said, in poland. of course, _ seeing, as you said, in poland. of course, there are good reasons for this, _ course, there are good reasons for this, and _ course, there are good reasons for this, and unfortunately everyone who offers _ this, and unfortunately everyone who offers up _ this, and unfortunately everyone who offers up a _ this, and unfortunately everyone who offers up a room to a refugee will be doing — offers up a room to a refugee will be doing it — offers up a room to a refugee will be doing it with the best of intentions. it will be a tiny minority— intentions. it will be a tiny minority that are not, but those people — minority that are not, but those people must be prevented from doing so quite _ people must be prevented from doing so. quite wrinkly, you carry out background checks before you adopt a cat, so _ background checks before you adopt a cat, so there is an argument to be made _ cat, so there is an argument to be made that— cat, so there is an argument to be made that it would be very sensible from a _ made that it would be very sensible from a safeguarding point of view —— quite frankly. make sure they were going _ quite frankly. make sure they were going to _ quite frankly. make sure they were going to a — quite frankly. make sure they were going to a place of safety. that's part of— going to a place of safety. that's part of the — going to a place of safety. that's part of the issue, but at the same time, _ part of the issue, but at the same time, that— part of the issue, but at the same time, that means the whole process will take _ time, that means the whole process will take longer, will be more
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complicated and may benefit those people _ complicated and may benefit those people with existing contacts in the uk who— people with existing contacts in the uk who may not be the most vulnerable people in need of housing _ vulnerable people in need of housina. , ., housing. lucy, one thing i definitely _ housing. lucy, one thing i definitely noticed - housing. lucy, one thing i definitely noticed and - housing. lucy, one thing i definitely noticed and wel housing. lucy, one thing i - definitely noticed and we were commenting on with our colleagues is just the quietness of the children coming through. if we burn might have any women and children predominately ukrainian nationals, the men having to stay behind to fight, but i'm of the women and children, last figures that i saw a million or so children coming through, they were extremely quiet as they crossed the border. we have beenin as they crossed the border. we have been in a pandemic — a lot of these children had to be home—schooled. yes. but we know is that children pick up so much from their environment, in particularfrom the grown—ups around them, and if they can sense that the grown—ups are afraid, there's a lot of fear, then they become much more confined. as any parent who has ever tried to
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discipline a child will know, actually, there are certain moments when you can genuinely convey that you are really scared about something they're about to do and they can pick up on that instantaneously, become much more compliant, and it is actually rather worrying because it does speech how much fear and trauma they themselves have probably witnessed, and there is so much research that is done on children who have been in very traumatic situations, that actually they become overwhelmed, oversensitive and as a result they don't cry, they don't whimper, they become, as i say, incredibly compliant, because they know there's too much at stake.— too much at stake. yes, 'ust hunting scenes, too much at stake. yes, 'ust hunting huntingh too much at stake. yes, 'ust hunting scenes, hunting scenes,j_ too much at stake. yes, just hunting scenes, hunting scenes, seeing - too much at stake. yes, just hunting l scenes, hunting scenes, seeing those women and children, predominantly, khmer crossed the borderjust absently shattered and exhausted —— haunting. the independent has an image that is showing the absolute devastation, joe, on this military
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base, after the attack by russia. putin's deadly missile strike on nato plus my doorstep. this is the devastation and also the times and showing as well, and the times picking up onjust how showing as well, and the times picking up on just how close, 50 miles, the space is from the border with poland. joe, it is right on nato's doorstep.— with poland. joe, it is right on nato's doorstep. yes, and it is entirely deliberate. _ nato's doorstep. yes, and it is entirely deliberate. it's - nato's doorstep. yes, and it is entirely deliberate. it's a - nato's doorstep. yes, and it is| entirely deliberate. it's a move nato's doorstep. yes, and it is i entirely deliberate. it's a move by vladimir— entirely deliberate. it's a move by vladimir putin to make it clear that there _ vladimir putin to make it clear that there are _ vladimir putin to make it clear that there are no — vladimir putin to make it clear that there are no areas ukraine that are off-limits— there are no areas ukraine that are off-limits as — there are no areas ukraine that are off—limits as far as his military action— off—limits as far as his military action is— off—limits as far as his military action is concerned. and also to determine — action is concerned. and also to determine there are no safe areas coming into the country. and it is also _ coming into the country. and it is also a _ coming into the country. and it is also a way— coming into the country. and it is also a way to, he hopes, one assumes, _ also a way to, he hopes, one assumes, raise the tension of the nato _ assumes, raise the tension of the nato members and to focus their attention, — nato members and to focus their attention, if indeed that were needed — attention, if indeed that were needed even further on the
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situation. where things go from here is the _ situation. where things go from here is the really — situation. where things go from here is the really important question, and as— is the really important question, and as has— is the really important question, and as has been mentioned in newspapers, the us were very quick to point— newspapers, the us were very quick to point out— newspapers, the us were very quick to point out that even an accidental fire into _ to point out that even an accidental fire into a _ to point out that even an accidental fire into a nato partner, poland lreing _ fire into a nato partner, poland being the most close in this case, would _ being the most close in this case, would result in retaliatory action, and so _ would result in retaliatory action, and so will— would result in retaliatory action, and so will vladimir putin risk that? — and so will vladimir putin risk that? it— and so will vladimir putin risk that? it remains to be seen, and i don't _ that? it remains to be seen, and i don't think— that? it remains to be seen, and i don't think anyone will want to second—guess him after the actions of the _ second—guess him after the actions of the last two weeks. we second-guess him after the actions of the last two weeks.— of the last two weeks. we have all learned a lesson _ of the last two weeks. we have all learned a lesson there, _ of the last two weeks. we have all. learned a lesson there, haven't we? 0ne learned a lesson there, haven't we? one thing the paper is also picking up one thing the paper is also picking up on, lucy, is that russia is reported to have been asking for chinese military assistance. so, properly showing that this is turning into a world event here, a geopolitical scenario, if rush is now having to talk to china or support. now having to talk to china or su ort. , ., ., now having to talk to china or suuort. , ., ., ,, ., ., support. yes, although russia and china have — support. yes, although russia and china have been _ support. yes, although russia and china have been mutually- support. yes, although russia and i china have been mutually supporting each other and quite vocally, even
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as recently as last month for quite some time, and what i find fascinating about this story is that russia can ask all that once, but that does not mean that china is willing to actually give them what they want, as the ukrainians have been begging for a no—fly zone for weeks and they have not got that, so just because russia wants something does not mean china will comply. and china is in a very difficult situation itself, trying to work out which side to gamble on, doesn't necessarily want to back a loser, and there's an argument to say that if vladimir putin is actually asking for military support, maybe that is a tacit acknowledgement that his military operations are not going so well, that he needs to co—opt china into this equation. as i say, china will be wanting to support russia inasmuch as they seem to be standing, they want to be seen to be standing, they want to be seen to be standing up to, let's say, the west
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or america, standing up to, let's say, the west oramerica, but standing up to, let's say, the west or america, but in the same time

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