hello, i'm maryam moshiri. you're watching context on bbc news. no let up in the bombardment of ukraine but britain says little sign of military progress. destruction continues, russia sheds parts of eastern ukraine should be allowed to break away in america says there no sign of moscow de—escalating. president putin suggests he's willing to hold a face—to—face meeting with president zelensky but can there be any progress? i could not remain on the sidelines. we hear from the russian journalist who protested against the war on life tv. i protested against the war on life

tv. ., , a, protested against the war on life tv. i really wanted to show the western audience that - tv. i really wanted to show the western audience that some i tv. i really wanted to show the - western audience that some russians are against war. after the russians, i wanted to show them your eyes exemplified by this propaganda. back toaether exemplified by this propaganda. back together again, a sign of wider shifts in global alliances. former director at the white house national security council. today the un has said it estimates 726 civilians including 52 children have been killed in ukraine since the russian invaded three weeks ago. the un estimates the number is likely to be much higher. intense

bombardment of ukrainian cities continues. in the northeast, russian missiles hit a street market that went up in flames. the city is looking forjust a few kilometres from the russian border and has been under constant shelling since the start of the war. fires are also raging in the capital where a large warehouse was bonds is evening. long lines of cars were filmed and trying to leave the city which is in fairfield by russian forces. on the diplomatic front, details are emerging from turkey this evening that revealed the outline of a peace agreement proposed by russia. apparently aimed at bringing a halt to the war in ukraine. they were discussed in a phone call today between putin and turkey's president. president putin's demands

are concise and according to him the four of them are fairly easy to reach agreement on. they include an acceptance by ukraine that it should be neutral in future and should not become a member of nato. ukraine's president zelensky has said as much just the other day. other demands which he's making include a denitrification clause which the offensive seems easy enough to accept according to the turkish side. there are undertakings as well to protect the russian language. that's where the easy part ends. he's also demanding parts of eastern ukraine and he wants ukraine's acceptance that's crimea which russia seized in 2014 is now a permanent part of russia. this president putin said can only be sorted out face—to—face with his

ukrainian opponent, president zelensky who was already said he's willing to talk. but, the turkish side thinks it could be weeks before it is in agreement. we also heard from the ukrainian ambassador to the us who gave her reaction to those reports coming from turkey to my colleague. reports coming from turkey to my colleauue. �* , reports coming from turkey to my colleauue. �*, ., ~ ., colleague. let's talk about the facts. if colleague. let's talk about the facts- if the — colleague. let's talk about the facts. if the 22nd _ colleague. let's talk about the facts. if the 22nd day - colleague. let's talk about the facts. if the 22nd day of - colleague. let's talk about the facts. if the 22nd day of the i facts. if the 22nd day of the defence of ukrainians of our freedoms, our homes, our lives, the rockets are still falling on our heads and the russian army were russian were criminal a's in the country kidding ukrainians and the city of my apple and not allowing people to get out. so, we always ready to negotiate when i think we will all see the end of successful negotiations with russian troops will stop shutting at us and get out of our country. fin

will stop shutting at us and get out of our country-— of our country. on this question could you -- could _ of our country. on this question could you -- could ukraine - of our country. on this question | could you -- could ukraine agree could you —— could ukraine agree that those areas recognise their crimea which russia seized in 2014 is russian, could ukraine agree to that to end the war? i'm surprised you are even asking me that. russia attacked us in 2014, illegally occupied crimea, illegally occupied part of donetsk and luhansk. this all is ukraine. we had all legal rights to take it back but we are a peaceful country, we never planned to do it militarily. we used all diplomatic solutions to do so. and it is not only ukrainian desire, it is not only something that we believe, the whole civilised world believes and knows that crimea is ukraine and donetsk and luhansk in full is ukraine. and territorial sovereignty is something that should be and is sacred for any civilised country.

we can now speak to the former us defence to russian federation and retired brigadier general gould. let me ask you first about to talk me briefly about what we have just heard. we heard coming out of this stand all that they could be some sort of peace deal that the russians are interested in brokering, do you believe that could be likely? i do because i think _ believe that could be likely? i if because i think the russian military which is the clout —— clever power that putin is using to try to get his calls the russian military is really stretched very thin and it may seem counterintuitive because we see the destruction and devastation on the means but the 90% of the advanced phrases are committed to this war and there's no place that

putin can get more soldiers this is further than they been able to get. i think putin is looking for an off mmp i think putin is looking for an off ramp and i think he's probably serious about stopping the firing but i would be on guard about whether or not he would continue to hold on to territory that he's already seized. it’s hold on to territory that he's already seized.— hold on to territory that he's already seized. it's been said by those who _ already seized. it's been said by those who have _ already seized. it's been said by those who have knowledge - already seized. it's been said by those who have knowledge of. already seized. it's been said by - those who have knowledge of military tactics that putin is has changed as has his calls, do you agree with that? �* , ,., , ~ has his calls, do you agree with that? ~ , . ., ~ ., ., that? absolutely. we all know now that? absolutely. we all know now that there is _ that? absolutely. we all know now that there is evidence _ that? absolutely. we all know now that there is evidence that - that? absolutely. we all know now that there is evidence that russia i that there is evidence that russia tried to mount a strike at the very beginning to go into kyiv and nicholas the government and decapitate the government and that failed and so what they had to do is go to plan b which meant invading and going into cities so they

swapped destruction for this lightning round and they are destroying cities and trying to destroying cities and trying to destroy the ukrainian military but so far got unsuccessful in that. how worried are — so far got unsuccessful in that. how worried are you _ so far got unsuccessful in that. how worried are you about the fear that some has talked about in regards to russia and potentially upping the ante like we did in syria because it's taken so much time because they need to get things done more quickly? ii need to get things done more cuickl ? , ., ., , quickly? if you mean they might increase the _ quickly? if you mean they might increase the biden's, _ quickly? if you mean they might increase the biden's, that's - quickly? if you mean they might i increase the biden's, that's always increase the biden�*s, that's always possible and so where the russian military is on that line we can expect to see more violence. but if you are talking about increasing advances sent to western ukraine or advances sent to western ukraine or a lot of areas that are not yet held by the russians i don't see that happening because as i said they are running out of trips so they are pretty much reconciled to adr. hoar?

pretty much reconciled to adr. how much damage _ pretty much reconciled to adr. how much damage has _ pretty much reconciled to adr. how much damage has been done to the reputation of the russian army globally? reputation of the russian army aloball ? ., ., globally? the deterrent value of the russian army. _ globally? the deterrent value of the russian army, the _ globally? the deterrent value of the russian army, the conventional- globally? the deterrent value of the | russian army, the conventional army has been damaged significantly. so those countries who were concerned that the military had reformed and modernised and was now a first—rate military, they can take a breath because the russian military is not that good. however, the russian military is big and strong and over time it can be found on smaller countries like ukraine and neighbouring countries around russia. let neighbouring countries around russia. , , ., , , russia. let us bring our panelists. i wanted to _ russia. let us bring our panelists. i wanted to bring _ russia. let us bring our panelists. i wanted to bring you _ russia. let us bring our panelists. i wanted to bring you both - russia. let us bring our panelists. i wanted to bring you both aimed l i wanted to bring you both aimed specifically for now, i wanted to ask you something. looking at what is happening in ukraine, some people

are saying is good and up escalating and in that being similar to what happened in syria in terms of the ratcheting up of violence and use of chemical weapons, ratcheting up of violence and use of chemicalweapons, do ratcheting up of violence and use of chemical weapons, do uc historical context for what's happening here and russia's game right now? it’s and russia's game right now? it's entirely possible actually that's cool in — entirely possible actually that's cool in pan a does not work out and it did _ cool in pan a does not work out and it did not _ cool in pan a does not work out and it did not work out very quickly as he saw— it did not work out very quickly as he saw in — it did not work out very quickly as he saw in other words their decapitation of the ukrainian regime, _ decapitation of the ukrainian regime, the blitzkrieg and so on, the standard method used in chechnya and georgia and syria has been to terrorise civilian populations, even to the _ terrorise civilian populations, even to the point— terrorise civilian populations, even to the point of using gas and chemical_ to the point of using gas and chemical weapons and absolutely reducing — chemical weapons and absolutely reducing cities to rubble. here is the difference. part of the impulse for this_ the difference. part of the impulse for this extraordinary and in some ways— for this extraordinary and in some ways not— for this extraordinary and in some ways notjust atrocious for this extraordinary and in some ways not just atrocious and inhumane but bizarre _ ways not just atrocious and inhumane but bizarre exercise is the kind of

mystical— but bizarre exercise is the kind of mystical attachments and the rush of the south, _ mystical attachments and the rush of the south, the black sea area, setting — the south, the black sea area, setting ukraine, which has brood and fermented _ setting ukraine, which has brood and fermented for a long time, notjust in the _ fermented for a long time, notjust in the head — fermented for a long time, notjust in the head of fannie mae putin, but in the head of fannie mae putin, but in is very— in the head of fannie mae putin, but in is very close to him like in particular— in is very close to him like in particular alexander who if you like i explained a very important person. and the _ i explained a very important person. and the issue is you're not going to want _ and the issue is you're not going to want to— and the issue is you're not going to want to actually attend the catastrophically destroy what you hope _ catastrophically destroy what you hope to _ catastrophically destroy what you hope to recover as part of the russian — hope to recover as part of the russian homeland. so, weirdly at the same _ russian homeland. so, weirdly at the same time _ russian homeland. so, weirdly at the same time we are dealing essentially with an _ same time we are dealing essentially with an act _ same time we are dealing essentially with an act of mystically saturated state terrorism. there is a disincentive to reduce it to a pile of smoking rubble. it's an extreme version of— of smoking rubble. it's an extreme version of the absurdity of saying russia _ version of the absurdity of saying russia and ukraine are indivisible

and inseparable and they are the same _ and inseparable and they are the same people and through the means of enforcing _ same people and through the means of enforcing that vision, you have actually — enforcing that vision, you have actually created an enormous chasm between _ actually created an enormous chasm between russia and ukraine. if ukraine — between russia and ukraine. if ukraine did not have a national identity— ukraine did not have a national identity before this idea and by the way it— identity before this idea and by the way it most certainly did, it one now _ way it most certainly did, it one now so. — way it most certainly did, it one now so. in _ way it most certainly did, it one now. so, in a way, and some of ways vladimir— now. so, in a way, and some of ways vladimir putin— now. so, in a way, and some of ways vladimir putin has actually been placed _ vladimir putin has actually been placed with his on and he's the victim — placed with his on and he's the victim of— placed with his on and he's the victim of his own delusion and he can strike — victim of his own delusion and he can strike out in peak and he can adhere to— can strike out in peak and he can adhere to their possibility that you can simply— adhere to their possibility that you can simply crush, poison, and incinerate _ can simply crush, poison, and incinerate whole cities and populations but that still will not deliver— populations but that still will not deliver the political and which he is seeing — deliver the political and which he is seeing. do deliver the political and which he is seeina. i. ., deliver the political and which he is seeina. ,, . ., is seeing. do you agree with what simon has — is seeing. do you agree with what simon has said _ is seeing. do you agree with what simon has said in _ is seeing. do you agree with what simon has said in essence - is seeing. do you agree with what simon has said in essence there l is seeing. do you agree with what| simon has said in essence there is is seeing. do you agree with what i simon has said in essence there is a difference between what's happened in syria and what could potentially

happen in ukraine because of those ties and potential endgame for russia, if not, how worried are you about that repeating itself here? i do believe that there is something to do— do believe that there is something to do with — do believe that there is something to do with dictator— do believe that there is something to do with dictator psychology- do believe that there is something to do with dictator psychology and| to do with dictator psychology and how dictators _ to do with dictator psychology and how dictators react _ to do with dictator psychology and how dictators react when - to do with dictator psychology and how dictators react when they're i how dictators react when they're faced _ how dictators react when they're faced with — how dictators react when they're faced with resistance. _ how dictators react when they're faced with resistance. my- how dictators react when they're - faced with resistance. my experience handling _ faced with resistance. my experience handling the — faced with resistance. my experience handling the first _ faced with resistance. my experience handling the first two years - faced with resistance. my experience handling the first two years of - faced with resistance. my experience handling the first two years of the i handling the first two years of the crisis _ handling the first two years of the crisis taught — handling the first two years of the crisis taught me _ handling the first two years of the crisis taught me a _ handling the first two years of the crisis taught me a lot— handling the first two years of the crisis taught me a lot of— handling the first two years of the crisis taught me a lot of lessons l crisis taught me a lot of lessons that i_ crisis taught me a lot of lessons that i think— crisis taught me a lot of lessons that i think policymakers - crisis taught me a lot of lessons that i think policymakers now. crisis taught me a lot of lessons . that i think policymakers now could really _ that i think policymakers now could really apply — that i think policymakers now could really apply to _ that i think policymakers now could really apply to our _ that i think policymakers now could really apply to our ukraine. - that i think policymakers now could really apply to our ukraine. some l that i think policymakers now could i really apply to our ukraine. some of them _ really apply to our ukraine. some of them being — really apply to our ukraine. some of them being for— really apply to our ukraine. some of them being for example _ really apply to our ukraine. some of them being for example that- really apply to our ukraine. some of them being for example that time i really apply to our ukraine. some of them being for example that time is not on _ them being for example that time is not on our— them being for example that time is not on our side _ them being for example that time is not on our side. it's— them being for example that time is not on our side. it's usually- them being for example that time is not on our side. it's usually on - not on our side. it's usually on side _ not on our side. it's usually on side of— not on our side. it's usually on side of the _ not on our side. it's usually on side of the aggressor, - not on our side. it's usually on side of the aggressor, or- not on our side. it's usually on side of the aggressor, or a - not on our side. it's usually on - side of the aggressor, or a dictator in this— side of the aggressor, or a dictator in this case — side of the aggressor, or a dictator in this case because _ side of the aggressor, or a dictator in this case because they— side of the aggressor, or a dictator in this case because they have - side of the aggressor, or a dictator in this case because they have no i in this case because they have no regard for— in this case because they have no regard for civilian _ in this case because they have no regard for civilian life _ in this case because they have no regard for civilian life and - in this case because they have no regard for civilian life and they i regard for civilian life and they will usually _ regard for civilian life and they will usually fight _ regard for civilian life and they will usually fight until- regard for civilian life and they will usually fight until the - regard for civilian life and they will usually fight until the last| will usually fight until the last man— will usually fight until the last man standing _ will usually fight until the last man standing if— will usually fight until the last man standing if it _ will usually fight until the last man standing if it means- will usually fight until the last man standing if it means they will usually fight until the last - man standing if it means they can win _ man standing if it means they can win and — man standing if it means they can win. and running— man standing if it means they can win. and running for— man standing if it means they can win. and running for president. man standing if it means they can. win. and running for president putin is critical— win. and running for president putin is critical because _ win. and running for president putin is critical because without _ win. and running for president putin is critical because without some - is critical because without some kind of— is critical because without some kind of wind _ is critical because without some kind of wind that _ is critical because without some kind of wind that he _ is critical because without some kind of wind that he can- is critical because without some kind of wind that he can bring i is critical because without some i kind of wind that he can bring back to moscow. — kind of wind that he can bring back to moscow. it— kind of wind that he can bring back to moscow, it could _ kind of wind that he can bring back to moscow, it could hurt _ kind of wind that he can bring back to moscow, it could hurt his- kind of wind that he can bring back to moscow, it could hurt his futurej to moscow, it could hurt his future political _ to moscow, it could hurt his future political career _ to moscow, it could hurt his future political career or— to moscow, it could hurt his future political career or his _ to moscow, it could hurt his future political career or his legacy. - to moscow, it could hurt his future political career or his legacy. so i political career or his legacy. so there _ political career or his legacy. so there are — political career or his legacy. so there are parts _ political career or his legacy. so there are parts of— political career or his legacy. so there are parts of what - political career or his legacy. so there are parts of what simon i there are parts of what simon said that i_ there are parts of what simon said that i agree — there are parts of what simon said that i agree with. _ there are parts of what simon said that i agree with. the _ there are parts of what simon said that i agree with. the difference ii that i agree with. the difference i believe _ that i agree with. the difference i believe the — that i agree with. the difference i believe the one _ that i agree with. the difference i believe the one difference - that i agree with. the difference i believe the one difference that i believe the one difference that gives _ believe the one difference that

gives me — believe the one difference that gives me hope _ believe the one difference that gives me hope in _ believe the one difference that gives me hope in this- believe the one difference that gives me hope in this war- believe the one difference that i gives me hope in this war versus believe the one difference that - gives me hope in this war versus the serious _ gives me hope in this war versus the serious situation _ gives me hope in this war versus the serious situation is _ gives me hope in this war versus the serious situation is the _ gives me hope in this war versus the serious situation is the unity - gives me hope in this war versus the serious situation is the unity of - serious situation is the unity of the ukrainians, _ serious situation is the unity of the ukrainians, their— serious situation is the unity of the ukrainians, their civic- the ukrainians, their civic resistance _ the ukrainians, their civic resistance. it's— the ukrainians, their civic resistance. it's incrediblyj the ukrainians, their civic- resistance. it's incredibly strong and incredibly— resistance. it's incredibly strong and incredibly inspirational. - resistance. it's incredibly strong and incredibly inspirational. thej and incredibly inspirational. the russian — and incredibly inspirational. the russian government— and incredibly inspirational. the russian government is - and incredibly inspirational. the russian government is aware i and incredibly inspirational. the russian government is aware ofj and incredibly inspirational. the - russian government is aware of that and i russian government is aware of that and i are _ russian government is aware of that and i are going — russian government is aware of that and i are going to— russian government is aware of that and i are going to write _ russian government is aware of that and i are going to write as— russian government is aware of that and i are going to write as much- russian government is aware of that and i are going to write as much as i and i are going to write as much as they can _ and i are going to write as much as they can to— and i are going to write as much as they can to undermine _ and i are going to write as much as they can to undermine it. - and i are going to write as much as they can to undermine it. and - and i are going to write as much asi they can to undermine it. and that's one of— they can to undermine it. and that's one of the _ they can to undermine it. and that's one of the reasons _ they can to undermine it. and that's one of the reasons why— they can to undermine it. and that's one of the reasons why i— they can to undermine it. and that's one of the reasons why i say- they can to undermine it. and that's one of the reasons why i say time i they can to undermine it. and that's one of the reasons why i say time is| one of the reasons why i say time is not on _ one of the reasons why i say time is not on our— one of the reasons why i say time is not on our side as— one of the reasons why i say time is not on our side as it _ one of the reasons why i say time is not on our side as it was _ one of the reasons why i say time is not on our side as it was not - one of the reasons why i say time is not on our side as it was not as- not on our side as it was not as well in — not on our side as it was not as well in the crisis. _ not on our side as it was not as well in the crisis. the - well in the crisis. the longer things— well in the crisis. the longer things go— well in the crisis. the longer things go on the _ well in the crisis. the longer things go on the more - well in the crisis. the longer- things go on the more complicated they become — things go on the more complicated they become more _ things go on the more complicated they become more of— things go on the more complicated they become more of they - things go on the more complicated they become more of they become things go on the more complicated - they become more of they become and they become more of they become and the more _ they become more of they become and the more options — they become more of they become and the more options that _ they become more of they become and the more options that government - the more options that government said they— the more options that government said they may— the more options that government said they may not _ the more options that government said they may not pursue - the more options that government said they may not pursue or- said they may not pursue or contemplate _ said they may not pursue or contemplate that _ said they may not pursue or contemplate that you - said they may not pursue or. contemplate that you consider said they may not pursue or- contemplate that you consider later on that they— contemplate that you consider later on that they become _ contemplate that you consider later on that they become more - contemplate that you consider later on that they become more difficultl on that they become more difficult to pursue — on that they become more difficult to pursue things _ on that they become more difficult to pursue. things like _ on that they become more difficult to pursue. things like a _ on that they become more difficult to pursue. things like a no—fly- on that they become more difficultl to pursue. things like a no—fly zone are still— to pursue. things like a no—fly zone are still on— to pursue. things like a no—fly zone are still on or— to pursue. things like a no—fly zone are still on or sending _ to pursue. things like a no—fly zone are still on or sending fighter- to pursue. things like a no—fly zone are still on or sending fighterjetsi are still on or sending fighterjets and things— are still on or sending fighterjets and things of— are still on or sending fighterjets and things of that _ are still on or sending fighterjets and things of that kind. _ are still on or sending fighterjets and things of that kind. i- are still on or sending fighterjets and things of that kind. i do - and things of that kind. i do believe _ and things of that kind. i do believe things— and things of that kind. i do believe things are _ and things of that kind. i do believe things are going - and things of that kind. i do believe things are going toi and things of that kind. i do i believe things are going to get uglier— believe things are going to get uglier unfortunately. _ believe things are going to get uglier unfortunately. the - believe things are going to get uglier unfortunately. the us i uglier unfortunately. the us secretary _ uglier unfortunately. the us secretary of _ uglier unfortunately. the us secretary of state _ uglier unfortunately. the us secretary of state today- uglier unfortunately. the us i secretary of state today shared uglier unfortunately. the us - secretary of state today shared the classified _ secretary of state today shared the classified intelligence _ secretary of state today shared the classified intelligence saying - classified intelligence saying russia — classified intelligence saying russia was _ classified intelligence saying russia was preparing - classified intelligence saying russia was preparing a - classified intelligence saying - russia was preparing a chemical weapons — russia was preparing a chemical weapons attack— russia was preparing a chemical weapons attack and _ russia was preparing a chemical weapons attack and they- russia was preparing a chemical weapons attack and they would i russia was preparing a chemical- weapons attack and they would blame on the _ weapons attack and they would blame on the ukrainian _ weapons attack and they would blame on the ukrainian government - weapons attack and they would blame on the ukrainian government to - on the ukrainian government to justify— on the ukrainian government to justify feeling _ on the ukrainian government to justify feeling further _ on the ukrainian government toi

justify feeling further aggression from the — justify feeling further aggression from the russian _ justify feeling further aggression from the russian side. _ justify feeling further aggression from the russian side. i- justify feeling further aggression from the russian side. i believel from the russian side. i believe that to — from the russian side. i believe that to happen, _ from the russian side. i believe that to happen, i— from the russian side. i believe that to happen, i don't- from the russian side. i believe that to happen, i don't see - from the russian side. i believe that to happen, i don't see why| that to happen, i don't see why that would _ that to happen, i don't see why that would not _ that to happen, i don't see why that would not come _ that to happen, i don't see why that would not come unfortunately - that to happen, i don't see why that would not come unfortunately and l would not come unfortunately and that is _ would not come unfortunately and that is again — would not come unfortunately and that is again another _ would not come unfortunately and that is again another reason - would not come unfortunately and that is again another reason why. would not come unfortunately and that is again another reason why i| that is again another reason why i say the _ that is again another reason why i say the main _ that is again another reason why i say the main lesson _ that is again another reason why i say the main lesson i— that is again another reason why i say the main lesson i learned - say the main lesson i learned handling _ say the main lesson i learned handling the _ say the main lesson i learned handling the syrian _ say the main lesson i learned handling the syrian crisis - say the main lesson i learned handling the syrian crisis is i say the main lesson i learned - handling the syrian crisis is tame is not _ handling the syrian crisis is tame is not on — handling the syrian crisis is tame is not on our— handling the syrian crisis is tame is not on our side. _ handling the syrian crisis is tame is not on our side. we _ handling the syrian crisis is tame is not on our side. we have - handling the syrian crisis is tame is not on our side. we have an. is not on our side. we have an opportunity— is not on our side. we have an opportunity to— is not on our side. we have an opportunity to beef— is not on our side. we have an opportunity to beef up - is not on our side. we have an opportunity to beef up and - is not on our side. we have an- opportunity to beef up and boasted ukrainian military— opportunity to beef up and boasted ukrainian military as _ opportunity to beef up and boasted ukrainian military as much - opportunity to beef up and boasted ukrainian military as much as - ukrainian military as much as possible _ ukrainian military as much as possible to _ ukrainian military as much as possible to create _ ukrainian military as much as possible to create this - ukrainian military as much as possible to create this strongj possible to create this strong military— possible to create this strong military threat _ possible to create this strong military threat against - possible to create this strong military threat against putin i possible to create this strong - military threat against putin while pursuing — military threat against putin while pursuing the — military threat against putin while pursuing the dramatic— military threat against putin while pursuing the dramatic talks - military threat against putin while pursuing the dramatic talks and i pursuing the dramatic talks and offering — pursuing the dramatic talks and offering plantings— pursuing the dramatic talks and offering plantings to _ pursuing the dramatic talks and offering plantings to help - pursuing the dramatic talks and offering plantings to help them| pursuing the dramatic talks and - offering plantings to help them step down _ offering plantings to help them step down. do— offering plantings to help them step down. , ., offering plantings to help them step down. ,, ~ offering plantings to help them step down. i. ~ , , offering plantings to help them step down. ,, ~ , , ., down. do you think the rest is doing enou:h down. do you think the rest is doing enough right — down. do you think the rest is doing enough right now — down. do you think the rest is doing enough right now to _ down. do you think the rest is doing enough right now to do _ down. do you think the rest is doing enough right now to do that - down. do you think the rest is doing enough right now to do that to - enough right now to do that to achieve that? —— the west? i enough right now to do that to achieve that? -- the west? i believe the west could _ achieve that? -- the west? i believe the west could do _ achieve that? -- the west? i believe the west could do more. _ achieve that? -- the west? i believe the west could do more. i _ achieve that? -- the west? i believe the west could do more. i think - achieve that? -- the west? i believe the west could do more. i think we i the west could do more. i think we should be facilitating the delivery of the aircraft and other air defence weapons systems and i think that something we could do. we may deliver on the defensive stance and missile—defense systems. i think the

rest is doing a lot to help ukraine. ukraine would not be having excess exits having right now if it weren't for the supply line of key weapons going in like anti—tank weapons and air defence systems so i think we could do more. i think they're doing a lot and i think there is a good argument about time not being on the side of the defender but putin is under a time crunch. he has terrible sanctions. he needs money. he needs equipment and none of those things are coming to him. and how long he can continue this case or a base level of violence without getting relief on those things is an open question. so putin also is under that gun timewise. iii

question. so putin also is under that gun timewise.— question. so putin also is under that gun timewise. if i may add it's not 'ust that gun timewise. if i may add it's not just families _ that gun timewise. if i may add it's not just families in _ that gun timewise. if i may add it's notjust families in russia, - that gun timewise. if i may add it's notjust families in russia, even i that gun timewise. if i may add it's notjust families in russia, even if| notjust families in russia, even if the conservative estimates of those soldiers _ the conservative estimates of those soldiers killed hicks 7000 it's a possibility a few thousand more but the bodies — possibility a few thousand more but the bodies will start coming back but also — the bodies will start coming back but also an enormous number of wounded — but also an enormous number of wounded and of course vladimir putin is an expert _ wounded and of course vladimir putin is an expert at this information and absolutely— is an expert at this information and absolutely trading hard on the possibility of an alternative narrative arising but that narrative will, in _ narrative arising but that narrative will, in my— narrative arising but that narrative will, in my view, it will certainly start— will, in my view, it will certainly start to — will, in my view, it will certainly start to appear in the form of family— start to appear in the form of family grief. start to appear in the form of family grief-— it's a time forjoy but also for the new challenge of re—adjusting to freedom for the british iranian woman, nazanin zaghari ratcliffe. she's been spending her first day in six years with her family, following her release

by iran yesterday. these pictures were released today of the moment nazanin was reunited with her husband richard and their seven—year—old daughter, gabriella, at the brize norton military airbase in oxfordshire. one person who knows something of what nazanin and her fellow captive anoosheh ashoori have been through is terry waite. as an envoy for the church of england in the 1980s, he travelled to lebanon to try to secure the release of four hostages, but was himself kidnapped and held captive from 1987 to 1991. he had this advice for nazanin as she re—adjusts: it's going to be enormous pressure on them, on all the family from the media and understand everybody in the country who's followed this would be deeply interested and want to see more of them but it's absolutely essential that after the first date take it easy and with jaw and i think richard has this

message, he realises that's important. message, he realises that's important-— message, he realises that's imortant. ., ~ ., ., , ., important. next talk to our senior olitical important. next talk to our senior political activists. _ important. next talk to our senior political activists. thank - important. next talk to our senior political activists. thank you - important. next talk to our senior political activists. thank you for l political activists. thank you for joining us stop first of all, obviously there is much happiness at their release of mezzanine but the last six years had an impact, why do you think it's happening now? i think certainly it probably has to do with the fact that we appear to be quite close to reviving the nuclear deal with iran and the united states has at least for us nationals in prison and iran and i think both the us and uk recognise theseissues think both the us and uk recognise these issues are going to go hand—in—hand in the prisoner release and hostage release and the nuclear deal together. and hostage release and the nuclear deal together-— and hostage release and the nuclear deal together. what the make up the way it happened? — deal together. what the make up the way it happened? this _

deal together. what the make up the way it happened? this is _ deal together. what the make up the way it happened? this is one - deal together. what the make up the way it happened? this is one of - way it happened? this is one of the most vexing — way it happened? this is one of the most vexing challenges _ way it happened? this is one of the most vexing challenges in - way it happened? this is one of the most vexing challenges in the - most vexing challenges in the international community. the government of iran has a track record of taking hostages and they said in the past they want their own prisoners released or they want financial compensation and on one hand if you give into that you are incentivising bad behaviour and paying ransom but if you don't get into that iran has no shame and it's willing to hold onto hostages for years as we saw in the case of mezzanine and i have a friend who has been hostage for almost seven years now. is has been hostage for almost seven ears now. , ., , has been hostage for almost seven ears now. , . , ._ has been hostage for almost seven ears now. , ., , ., years now. is there any way in or out of this? _ years now. is there any way in or out of this? will— years now. is there any way in or out of this? will this _ years now. is there any way in or out of this? will this be - years now. is there any way in or out of this? will this be seen as| years now. is there any way in or| out of this? will this be seen as a victory in iran or not? the revolutionary _ victory in iran or not? the revolutionary guards - victory in iran or not? the revolutionary guards in i victory in iran or not? he revolutionary guards in iran victory in iran or not? iie: revolutionary guards in iran will claim themselves the dictators because they say that their policy of hostage taking has borne fruit,

theyjust of hostage taking has borne fruit, they just got of hostage taking has borne fruit, theyjust got half $1 billion from theyjust got half $1 billion from the uk government when the american hostages are released in the coming weeks when the nuclear deal is revived they will claim they have gotten many more billions of their assets so the families are big losers, western governments, this is not at the way you're happy for these individuals being released by these individuals being released by the families being re—enacted but this is not something that western governments are happy about because they feel like they're paying ransoms. , they feel like they're paying ransoms— they feel like they're paying ransoms. , , ., , , ransoms. let us bring our panelists now. let ransoms. let us bring our panelists now- let me _ ransoms. let us bring our panelists now. let me ask _ ransoms. let us bring our panelists now. let me ask you, _ ransoms. let us bring our panelists now. let me ask you, some - ransoms. let us bring our panelists now. let me ask you, some are - ransoms. let us bring our panelists i now. let me ask you, some are asking why is it taking so long for this to happen? it usually takes long as you just mentioned unfortunately i have been on the other side and i was not on the negotiating side but was in

the us government when we were working on the iran theoretically had us citizens and others who were held hostage in iran. this had us citizens and others who were held hostage in iran.— held hostage in iran. this is a common _ held hostage in iran. this is a common tactic _ held hostage in iran. this is a common tactic by _ held hostage in iran. this is a common tactic by the - held hostage in iran. this is a common tactic by the iranian | common tactic by the iranian government and other authoritarian governments by the way to take foreign citizens as hostage and to use them as political ponds for future political negotiations and they will continue to do it. it takes a long time because it can be very sensitive because the authoritarian governments no they have something that the other side will want and they will use that as a bargaining chip as much as they can to get as much as they can out of an existing field, for example in the case of jason tearing that first—round and they will want to back paid and that's what happened. that government will say they're not

connected but the taming shows that there is a likely connection and that these governments would keep these bargaining chips so they can get something out of it and they will do it for as long as they can. they were milked as much as they can and unfortunately when it comes to international law and international human rights lawyers they hold very little weight in building these authoritarian governments to 80 feet individual at the end of the day it comes down to a political deal letter it's with iran, china, north korea, with many other countries that do the same thing. is there a difference between the way the us deals with these things and uk? bath deals with these things and uk? both the uk and the _ deals with these things and uk? both the uk and the rest have had numerous over the years imprisoned by virtue _ numerous over the years imprisoned by virtue of— numerous over the years imprisoned by virtue of the fact that the british— by virtue of the fact that the british have a presence, people may not know— british have a presence, people may not know this but britain right now has one _ not know this but britain right now has one of— not know this but britain right now has one of the most talented

ambassadors anyone since the revolution. the guy called sam and he speaks — revolution. the guy called sam and he speaks perfect persian and he knows _ he speaks perfect persian and he knows the — he speaks perfect persian and he knows the system very well so that is the _ knows the system very well so that is the advantage that they have, a presence — is the advantage that they have, a presence in — is the advantage that they have, a presence in tehran and iran are the dramatic— presence in tehran and iran are the dramatic presence in london whereas the us— dramatic presence in london whereas the us has— dramatic presence in london whereas the us has very little official contact _ the us has very little official contact with iran over the last few decades— contact with iran over the last few decades but at the end of the day you're _ decades but at the end of the day you're dealing with an authoritarian regime _ you're dealing with an authoritarian regime which does not care about that but— regime which does not care about that but they don't care about the fact that — that but they don't care about the fact that taking hostages is going to get— fact that taking hostages is going to get there a reason and deter a foreign _ to get there a reason and deter a foreign investment. he had been doing _ foreign investment. he had been doing this — foreign investment. he had been doing this for four decades and they're — doing this for four decades and they're willing to hold onto people for multiple years and so at the end of the _ for multiple years and so at the end of the day— for multiple years and so at the end of the day you either have to pay essentially what is a ransom or if

they— essentially what is a ransom or if they are — essentially what is a ransom or if they are iranian citizens imprisoned in the _ they are iranian citizens imprisoned in the uk _ they are iranian citizens imprisoned in the uk or— they are iranian citizens imprisoned in the uk or the us you try to swap them _ in the uk or the us you try to swap them. ., , . them. the uk foreign office apparently _ them. the uk foreign office apparently told _ them. the uk foreign office apparently told her - them. the uk foreign office apparently told her husband | them. the uk foreign office i apparently told her husband to them. the uk foreign office - apparently told her husband to keep quiet and not to speak out and let diplomats tablets, but he right not to listen to them? i did diplomats tablets, but he right not to listen to them?— to listen to them? i did not know that. the emotional— to listen to them? i did not know| that. the emotional concentration to listen to them? i did not know - that. the emotional concentration of these _ that. the emotional concentration of these whole — that. the emotional concentration of these whole issue _ that. the emotional concentration of these whole issue has— that. the emotional concentration of these whole issue has been- that. the emotional concentration of these whole issue has been so- these whole issue has been so intense — these whole issue has been so intense and _ these whole issue has been so intense and stay _ these whole issue has been so intense and stay difficult - these whole issue has been so intense and stay difficult to . intense and stay difficult to actually _ intense and stay difficult to actually blame _ intense and stay difficult to actually blame him - intense and stay difficult to. actually blame him for being undramatic— actually blame him for being undramatic but _ actually blame him for being undramatic but i _ actually blame him for being undramatic but i would - actually blame him for being undramatic but i would like i actually blame him for being. undramatic but i would like to actually blame him for being - undramatic but i would like to raise at different — undramatic but i would like to raise at different points. _ undramatic but i would like to raise at different points. i— undramatic but i would like to raise at different points. ithink- undramatic but i would like to raise at different points. i think the - at different points. i think the issue — at different points. i think the issue now— at different points. i think the issue now is _ at different points. i think the issue now is whether- at different points. i think the issue now is whether or - at different points. i think the issue now is whether or not i at different points. i think the i issue now is whether or not the iranian— issue now is whether or not the iranian government _ issue now is whether or not the iranian government feels - issue now is whether or not the iranian government feels it - issue now is whether or not the iranian government feels it has| iranian government feels it has the wind at _ iranian government feels it has the wind at its — iranian government feels it has the wind at its back— iranian government feels it has the wind at its back during _ iranian government feels it has the| wind at its back during negotiations to resurrect — wind at its back during negotiations to resurrect an _ wind at its back during negotiations to resurrect an arms _ wind at its back during negotiations to resurrect an arms agreement. i wind at its back during negotiationsi to resurrect an arms agreement. it's been _ to resurrect an arms agreement. it's been a _ to resurrect an arms agreement. it's been a mixture— to resurrect an arms agreement. it's been a mixture of— to resurrect an arms agreement. it's been a mixture of extortion - to resurrect an arms agreement. it's been a mixture of extortion with - been a mixture of extortion with negotiation _ been a mixture of extortion with negotiation or— been a mixture of extortion with negotiation or not _ been a mixture of extortion with negotiation or not and _ been a mixture of extortion with negotiation or not and is - been a mixture of extortion with negotiation or not and is it - been a mixture of extortion with| negotiation or not and is it going to be _ negotiation or not and is it going to be that — negotiation or not and is it going to be that much _ negotiation or not and is it going to be that much more _ negotiation or not and is it going to be that much more difficult? i negotiation or not and is it going -

to be that much more difficult? they have so _ to be that much more difficult? they have so much— to be that much more difficult? they have so much further— to be that much more difficult? they have so much further down - to be that much more difficult? they have so much further down the - have so much further down the road with the _ have so much further down the road with the enrichment _ have so much further down the road with the enrichment of— have so much further down the road with the enrichment of uranium - have so much further down the road with the enrichment of uranium and| with the enrichment of uranium and centrifuges — with the enrichment of uranium and centrifu:es. ., ., with the enrichment of uranium and centrifuges-— centrifuges. thank you for “oining us. we centrifuges. thank you for “oining we uni centrifuges. thank you for “oining us. we will be i centrifuges. thank you for “oining us. we will be back * centrifuges. thank you for “oining us. we will be back in _ centrifuges. thank you for “oining us. we will be back in a h us. we will be back in a few minutes. goodbye. the weather is looking try for pretty much the rest of this month. any areas of the uk not much room to come. we had a lot of dry weather on thursday particularly for england and wales with some sunshine. some sunshine for scotland, northern ireland and england but there were some shower clouds lurking. however as we look at the forecast through the rest of this week is not much rain around at all in the forecast and they would be lots of spring sunshine to look forward to the reason we see the weather setting is this the area of high pressure at a time we get to week and it will build around denmark because it's such a big area of high pressure

it's not going to move very far very fast hands to settled later. on friday morning going to be chilly with patchy frost across england and wales and cold with a widespread frost for scotland at northern england essentially a lovely day with spring sunshine and temperatures higher than they were on thursday peaking at 60 as well. as we head into friday night under the clear skies where the rain will fall it could be a few patches of mist and fog around and again some patches of frost as well to take us into saturday morning and saturday we've got more spring sunshine to look forward to high pressure standing charge. it will be windy around southwest england and gusty here and also windy for western scotland for a time but otherwise sunshine from many of us. with the wind coming in from the cold north see it across

eastern areas of england and scotland the temperatures will be back at the three types of 11 or 12 degrees. we will see some high temperatures 14 or 15 or birmingham and cardiff but some the highest temperatures will be across the northwest of scotland where 17 or 18 degrees but it could be the warmest day of the year so far. there is a change in the forecast on sunday. article area of low pressure around the big area of high pressure. it will bring my crowding and scattered showers. they could be softail across parts of east anglia and it will feel cooler. nine to 11 degrees for eastern areas of the uk. some low pressure works further north into the northern north sea on monday bringing cloudy t scotland and scattered showers here. it will be a dry picture from any areas with

lots of sunshine and early morning mist and fog patches have dispersed. temperatures reaching double figures. maybe some 11 or 12 degrees north. the later into next week this is the jet stream pattern very blocked by this area of high pressure with one branch of the jet stream going over scandinavia and the other in the mediterranean. these are where the weather systems will be in hundreds if not thousands of miles away from the uk. through most of next week even into the weekend and beyond it will be dry and it may be reached out to see the weather turned more unsettled but you'll have to wait early april to see that change. a lot of dry weather on the way.

tonight at ten — on the front line in the second city of kharkiv, devastated by russian shelling, but where local forces are holding out. explosion. pounded for weeks, kharkiv has been decimated, but the resistance of ukrainians holds firm. they've tried to punch through here, again and again and again, and they've failed. the ukrainian armed forces are keeping them at bay. meanwhile, in the south, rescuers search for survivors after a theatre is bombed, with hundreds sheltering in the basement. there are three other major stories to bring you a night including this news delivered by p&o ferries to 800 staff. i’m

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