this is bbc news, the headlines... fierce street fighting has been hampering efforts to reach hundreds of people still trapped beneath a bombed theatre in the ukrainian port of mariupol. civilians who have been able to escape mariupol say conditions in the city are terrible. rescuers in the port of mykolayiv are searching for survivors among the rubble of a military barracks that was hit on friday in a russian missile attack. dozens of people are thought to have died. the un human rights office says that at least 847 civilians have been killed in ukraine since the russian invasion began. most of the casualties were caused heavy artillery, missile and air strikes. two former british prime ministers join calls for a new nuremberg—style tribunal to investigate

vladimir putin for his actions in ukraine. the international criminal court is already investigating the kremlin leader for alleged war crimes in the region. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are kate maltby, columnist for the i newspaper and lucy beresford, broadcaster and psychotherapist. well, we only have a few of tomorrow's front pages in so far. the sunday telegraph leads with news of differences between borisjohnson and his chancellor over whether to push for a dramatic increase in nuclear power facilities. the sunday express

reports on russia's use of a hypersonic missile which travels at five times the speed of sound in its onslaught against targets in ukraine. and the independent�*s website carries the message from the prime minister delivered to his party's spring conference that the west must never "re—normalise" relations with vladimir putin. so let's begin... it is to you both and thank you very much forjoining me. let's start with the sunday telegraph. it says that the fall of mariupol is imminent. this war hasn't gone the way president putin might have hoped but he is still making games. lucy. yes, and actually _ but he is still making games. lucy. yes, and actually this _ but he is still making games. lucy. yes, and actually this evening - but he is still making games. lit}: yes, and actually this evening what the mayor of mariupol is saying is that they feel they are very outgunned and actually because putin

has put an enormous iran to have his resources, diminishing resources in this one city which has been a subject of the most incredibly brutal bombardment for the last few weeks now, it does seem as if the russian strategy for this particular city have defence strategists are saying that obviously it hasn't gone as well for vladimir putin as he might have hoped. he hasn't taken the cities as quickly as he wanted but even from a psychological point of view, to actually secure one of ukraine's major cities will be a real triumph for him.— ukraine's major cities will be a real triumph for him. realtriumph for him. kate, looking at the sunday _ realtriumph for him. kate, looking at the sunday express, _ realtriumph for him. kate, looking at the sunday express, it _ realtriumph for him. kate, looking at the sunday express, it is - realtriumph for him. kate, looking at the sunday express, it is talking | at the sunday express, it is talking about the fact that putin has now unleashed this invincible missile, talk to us about that. is that a sign of desperation, of escalation, is it a message to the western

allies? , , , ., , is it a message to the western allies? , ,, ., , , .,, allies? the express does sign it as allies? the express does sign it as a desnerate _ allies? the express does sign it as a desperate measure. _ allies? the express does sign it as a desperate measure. it _ allies? the express does sign it as a desperate measure. it says - allies? the express does sign it as a desperate measure. it says that| allies? the express does sign it as i a desperate measure. it says that he has desperate and has upped the ante, suggesting he has to throw everything at it. but i have to say that i actually find phrases like invincible missile really quite unhelpful in the way that they do the kremlin�*s work for them. the? the kremlin's work for them. they ma be the kremlin's work for them. they may be unhelpful _ the kremlin's work for them. they may be unhelpful but _ the kremlin's work for them. they may be unhelpful but are they true? well, are they true? invincible, i think very few things are invincible and my point is that this is the headline that constructs putin as somehow only powerful witches examine how he wants us see him. what the express gets absolutely right is that this is a missile that has landed in the west of ukraine,

not that far into ukraine, there has been some of the coverage elsewhere over the past day which a lot of security experts have condemned, which has in western papers suggested it got much further, right into the east, and i think all of that... and is false. but that relies me that we are very much a propaganda war here. for most of us, let's be honest, we can't be entirely sure about what is happening in ukraine and where exactly missiles are falling but we have to be really careful about talking up putin's invisibility when he was the world to be scared of him. . , ., ., , , him. that is a really interesting oint, him. that is a really interesting point. lucy. — him. that is a really interesting point, lucy, isn't— him. that is a really interesting point, lucy, isn't it, _ him. that is a really interesting point, lucy, isn't it, in - him. that is a really interesting point, lucy, isn't it, in terms. him. that is a really interesting j point, lucy, isn't it, in terms of the psychology of this war because both sides are trying to win support is over. and the information war is playing a key role. is over. and the information war is playing a key role-— playing a key role. yes, and you want to own _ playing a key role. yes, and you want to own your— playing a key role. yes, and you want to own your own _ playing a key role. yes, and you want to own your own narrative | playing a key role. yes, and you . want to own your own narrative and you want _ want to own your own narrative and you want to — want to own your own narrative and you want to be able to put your own analysis _ you want to be able to put your own analysis or— you want to be able to put your own analysis or your own spin on

whatever— analysis or your own spin on whatever happens. and this particular missile, it is regarded as an _ particular missile, it is regarded as an impressive piece of kit. there aren't— as an impressive piece of kit. there aren't really— as an impressive piece of kit. there aren't really any defence mechanisms against _ aren't really any defence mechanisms against it. _ aren't really any defence mechanisms against it. it— aren't really any defence mechanisms against it, it can change direction which _ against it, it can change direction which makes it really hard to hit it is super— which makes it really hard to hit it is super fast, it is five times the speed _ is super fast, it is five times the speed of— is super fast, it is five times the speed of sound. so it has got some really— speed of sound. so it has got some really strong things going for it but at — really strong things going for it but at the same time, why has vladimir— but at the same time, why has vladimir putin decided to launch this particular type of missile now, and as— this particular type of missile now, and as kate — this particular type of missile now, and as kate was alluding to, it is possibly— and as kate was alluding to, it is possibly because in fact he has run out of— possibly because in fact he has run out of other— possibly because in fact he has run out of other options, he is running out of other options, he is running out of— out of other options, he is running out of other— out of other options, he is running out of other munitions, and if that is the _ out of other munitions, and if that is the angle, even the fact that he is the angle, even the fact that he is using _ is the angle, even the fact that he is using such an impressive missile nevertheless speaks to the fact that he is struggling. we are saying this in the _ he is struggling. we are saying this in the context of mariupol perhaps falling _ in the context of mariupol perhaps falling but i think we should be careful— falling but i think we should be careful to see some of his excesses as purely— careful to see some of his excesses as purely successes because they are often _ as purely successes because they are often not. _ as purely successes because they are often not, they are actually signs that he _ often not, they are actually signs that he is— often not, they are actually signs that he is desperate. of course, that he is desperate. of course,

that is— that he is desperate. of course, that is quite dangerous for the west. — that is quite dangerous for the west, you don't want to be dealing with a _ west, you don't want to be dealing with a desperate enemy but that is probably— with a desperate enemy but that is probably the situation where we are. look at— probably the situation where we are. look at the _ probably the situation where we are. look at the front page of the independent, of course, there is a picture at their a ukrainian soldier being lifted out of the debris following the russian strike on the mikka live barix. but the front pages talk about the fact that western nation must never realise relations with that in a putin, how much of a prospect is that, that vladimir putin will not live out the rest of this situation for very long, kate? rest of this situation for very long. kate?— rest of this situation for very long, kate? rest of this situation for very lona , kate? ~ ~ , long, kate? well, i think very few of us know— long, kate? well, i think very few of us know what _ long, kate? well, i think very few of us know what is _ long, kate? well, i think very few of us know what is going - long, kate? well, i think very few of us know what is going on - long, kate? well, i think very few of us know what is going on in - long, kate? well, i think very fewj of us know what is going on in the kremlin at the moment and i mean those of my friends who are specific experts in the kremlin and have built careers as experts on russian politics say they are not sure so i'm not saying none of us are sure i am saying people who follow this

closely are finding it difficult to watch. they are clearly signs of dissent in russia. very senior resignations from television stations, recitals in putin the mac team, that i seem to be something wrong there. —— reshuffles in putin steam. in putin's team. if this war is to be ended while putin is still in charge, we need to give him to save face and that involves creative thinking from top minds of geopolitics. but that is the way that people are also talking, about how putin backs down and stays leader and is given a path to do that. �* , , ,.,, leader and is given a path to do that. �* , ., that. but i suppose we may not really understand _ that. but i suppose we may not really understand perhaps - that. but i suppose we may not really understand perhaps what that. but i suppose we may not - really understand perhaps what putin is thinking but do we understand what other people in russia are thinking, the people around him, the people who are supporting him in this? �* , .,

people who are supporting him in this? �* i. ., ., people who are supporting him in this? �* ., ., this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes, this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes. you. — this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes. you. kate- — this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes, you, kate. i— this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes, you, kate. ithink— this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes, you, kate. i think it- this? are you asking me, or lucy? yes, you, kate. i think it is- yes, you, kate. i think it is interesting how desperate russia seems to be. even at the same time as we are seeing russian astronauts wearing ukrainian colours and being brave enough to do that going into space. brave enough to do that going into sace. ., ,, ., , ., space. though the russians had said this is purely — space. though the russians had said this is purely a _ space. though the russians had said this is purely a coincidence _ space. though the russians had said this is purely a coincidence and - this is purely a coincidence and that the yellow is actually about their university attachment or something like that. it is important to be accurate _ something like that. it is important to be accurate and _ something like that. it is important to be accurate and that _ something like that. it is important to be accurate and that may - something like that. it is important to be accurate and that may well. something like that. it is important| to be accurate and that may well be true but i think it is clear that the putin regime is trying very, very hard to assert an image of a united russia, literally the name of his party, but he is sending out all of those images not into just his own country but into the west, those propaganda rallies and those people marching. it is pretty clear from the people i know who are still in

russia that if you have a vpn, you can see the news outside, and we are going to get a story about getting important information to russia, and all of that is possible, we are getting information to rush about the truth so i don't... i think it is interesting, this problem about normalising relations with russia. in many ways, i agree with boris, i think it is beyond the pale and it is important to confront people globally and refused to do business with them. but i think the west is getting to this problematic moment where the number of people we need to refuse business where there is growing and growing. there is a serious movement in the conservative party let by one nation tories who quite rightly say we should go into cold war situation with china. at the same time, borisjohnson has gone off to negotiate oil with saudi arabia. the real problem is how many

countries can we go into a cold war freeze with?— freeze with? and that is a serious ruestion, freeze with? and that is a serious question. even — freeze with? and that is a serious question, even with _ freeze with? and that is a serious question, even with president - freeze with? and that is a serious i question, even with president putin. lucy, what are your full sub out whether you can continue peace talks, for instance, with president putin, while also saying they must be no way back for him? in a putin, while also saying they must be no way back for him?— putin, while also saying they must be no way back for him? in a way, i don't think— be no way back for him? in a way, i don't think boris _ be no way back for him? in a way, i don't think boris johnson _ be no way back for him? in a way, i don't think boris johnson can - be no way back for him? in a way, i don't think boris johnson can really | don't think boris johnson can really say anything else. you want to be seen _ say anything else. you want to be seen to— say anything else. you want to be seen to he — say anything else. you want to be seen to be talking tough, and for all the _ seen to be talking tough, and for all the strategists who do talk about— all the strategists who do talk about the wisdom of giving vladimir putin an _ about the wisdom of giving vladimir putin an off ramp or a golden brooch or however— putin an off ramp or a golden brooch or however you want to describe it in order— or however you want to describe it in order to — or however you want to describe it in orderto enable or however you want to describe it in order to enable the man to perhaps— in order to enable the man to perhaps save some face, at the same time, _ perhaps save some face, at the same time, you _ perhaps save some face, at the same time, you want to rally your side around _ time, you want to rally your side around to— time, you want to rally your side around to this very clear sense of purpose — around to this very clear sense of purpose and unity that you are saying. — purpose and unity that you are saying, 0k, we are not actually going _ saying, 0k, we are not actually going to — saying, 0k, we are not actually going to cut vladimir putin any slack, — going to cut vladimir putin any slack, they must be no way back for him _ slack, they must be no way back for him of_ slack, they must be no way back for him. of course, what then happens in geopolitical— him. of course, what then happens in

geopolitical terms is that two years down _ geopolitical terms is that two years down the _ geopolitical terms is that two years down the line, five years down the line, _ down the line, five years down the line. ten— down the line, five years down the line, ten years down the line, you might— line, ten years down the line, you might might have to make very different— might might have to make very differentjudgment might might have to make very different judgment calls so leaders have tom — different judgment calls so leaders have tom i— different judgment calls so leaders have to... i think borisjohnson has one eye _ have to... i think borisjohnson has one eye to— have to... i think borisjohnson has one eye to the audience in ukraine and also _ one eye to the audience in ukraine and also in — one eye to the audience in ukraine and also in europe, to be seen to be standing _ and also in europe, to be seen to be standing firm, but we all know that when _ standing firm, but we all know that when the _ standing firm, but we all know that when the facts change that they will probably— when the facts change that they will probably have to be some different accommodations made. and, lucy, somethina accommodations made. and, lucy, something else _ accommodations made. and, lucy, something else boris _ accommodations made. and, lucy, something else boris johnson - accommodations made. and, lucy, something else boris johnson has l accommodations made. and, lucy, i something else boris johnson has his something else borisjohnson has his eye on, nuclear, to address the growing energy crisis. he and his chancellor rishi sunak aren't seeing eye to eye on that, you can stop with this one, lucy.— eye to eye on that, you can stop with this one, lucy. well, what a surrise. with this one, lucy. well, what a surprise- they — with this one, lucy. well, what a surprise. they kind _ with this one, lucy. well, what a surprise. they kind of— to eye on a lot of things because rishi sunak, in many people's eyes, is the air apparent to boris johnson, where there to be some kind of internal code. this story is actually quite fascinating because

it does speak to a number of different stories all blended into one. we've got one angle of it which is borisjohnson perfect passion for all things green, then you've got the current chronic cost of living crisis, not least because of the inflated prices of energy bills, which have also been exacerbated by war in ukraine and a real urgency for notjust the uk but other countries to wean themselves off russian gas, and what a perfect opportunity for that than to actually build some more nuclear reactors. but there is a problem of how much money there is to spend. rishi sunak doesn't want to spend too much money, was to catch —— cut taxes, that is his preferred stance, but at the moment with a spring statement coming around the corner on wednesday, he really has to be seen to be tightening the belt. that is causing quite a lot of friction and conflict within the tory party.

0k, we have got a quick minute left. kate, the uk is paying for adverts in russia to counter the lies. this is a treat in russia to counter the lies. this is a great story. _ in russia to counter the lies. this is a great story, this _ in russia to counter the lies. this is a great story, this is what i was talking _ is a great story, this is what i was talking about early, it is about getting — talking about early, it is about getting information into russia through— getting information into russia through odd little things, social networks — through odd little things, social networks that may be out the most famous _ networks that may be out the most famous ones but also places where people _ famous ones but also places where people go— famous ones but also places where people go for a different type of information, not news. and i am also aware _ information, not news. and i am also aware of— information, not news. and i am also aware of quite a few non—government organisations that are trying to do this _ organisations that are trying to do this one — organisations that are trying to do this. one of them i can talk about on the _ this. one of them i can talk about on the bbc — this. one of them i can talk about on the bbc. —— none. but it is very surprising — on the bbc. —— none. but it is very surprising some of the websites in russia _ surprising some of the websites in russia that are suddenly having pop-up — russia that are suddenly having pop—up ads put in there showing the horrible, _ pop—up ads put in there showing the horrible, horrible pictures from ukraine, — horrible, horrible pictures from ukraine, because that is what people need to— ukraine, because that is what people need to see — ukraine, because that is what people need to see if they are going to really— need to see if they are going to really believe that their army is committing atrocities.- committing atrocities. really, really interesting. _ committing atrocities. really, really interesting. thank- committing atrocities. really, really interesting. thank you | committing atrocities. really, . really interesting. thank you very much to you both forjoining us for a look at the papers, kate and lucy.

thank you very much to both of you and we will be seeing you a little later in just over half—an—hour. that is because we will be back again at 11:30pm. stay with us now. click is up next. in the shadow of battersea power station in london,

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