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this is bbc news — welcome if you're watching here in the uk or around the globe. our top stories... the number of refugees who've fled their homes since since the start of the war in ukraine reaches 10 million. everything is ruined and i don't know will stay my house in safety? i don't know when i can come back to ukraine. ukraine's politicians warn the mass exodus of people from their homes will have a worsening affect on the deepening food crisis in the region.
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the world will face the shortage of all these produces in the next couple of months, and i don't have any idea of when it will be able to recover. i'm and james reynolds, i will bring you right _ i'm and james reynolds, i will bring you right up — i'm and james reynolds, i will bring you right up to date with events inside _ you right up to date with events inside this— you right up to date with events inside this country. in ukraine — the bombardment continues — russia bombs a school in mariupol where around 400 people were sheltering — president zelensky says moscow has committed war crimes in the city. translation: to do this to - a peaceful city that the occupiers did to it is a terror that will be remembered for centuries to come. the ukrainian president has also suspended ii pro—russia political parties and ordered the broadcast of a single stream of television news. also in the programme — exploring ways of boosting unity and morale for those who've chosen to stay in ukraine's capital.
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hello, and if you havejustjoined us, welcome. the united nations says ten million people have now fled their homes because of what it calls the devastating war in ukraine. it comes as the authorities in the beseiged city of mariupol have accused russia of bombing a school where around 400 people were sheltering. there's no word yet on casualties. president zelensky has described the russian blockade and bombardment of mariupol as terror that will be remembered for centuries to come. let's cross to lviv — and our correspondent james reynolds. hi, thanks very much and good to speak— hi, thanks very much and good to speak to — hi, thanks very much and good to speak to you. good evening from living _ speak to you. good evening from living here — speak to you. good evening from living here in western ukraine, which — living here in western ukraine, which is — living here in western ukraine, which is somewhat away from the front _ which is somewhat away from the front lines — which is somewhat away from the front lines but not away from the anxiety _ front lines but not away from the anxiety that many ukrainians here will feei~ — anxiety that many ukrainians here
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will feel. their families have been separated — will feel. their families have been separated and fractured. those figures — separated and fractured. those figures you are talking about just now, _ figures you are talking about just now. 10 — figures you are talking about just now, 10 million ukrainians about to leave _ now, 10 million ukrainians about to leave their— now, 10 million ukrainians about to leave their homes, in practical terms — leave their homes, in practical terms that means whenever you turn to people _ terms that means whenever you turn to people here in lviv and you ask where _ to people here in lviv and you ask where is _ to people here in lviv and you ask where is your family, they will often — where is your family, they will often say— where is your family, they will often say they are in different pieces — often say they are in different places. some in poland, some in the east fighting, and others here waiting — east fighting, and others here waiting. the attention of many people — waiting. the attention of many people here is turning to those events — people here is turning to those events in— people here is turning to those events in the east of the country, in particular— events in the east of the country, in particular to that besieged south eastern _ in particular to that besieged south eastern city of mariupol. it's on the land — eastern city of mariupol. it's on the land corridor that russia wants to take _ the land corridor that russia wants to take in — the land corridor that russia wants to take in order to link up the land inthe— to take in order to link up the land inthe east— to take in order to link up the land in the east with the land it is taken — in the east with the land it is taken in _ in the east with the land it is taken in the south. ukraine's president— taken in the south. ukraine's president has described what has happened as terror that will last down _ happened as terror that will last down the — happened as terror that will last down the centuries. he has accused russia _ down the centuries. he has accused russia of— down the centuries. he has accused russia of committing war crimes. with more. — russia of committing war crimes. with more, here is our colleague and corresponded.
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to look down on mariupol is to see the lie that is vladimir putin's "liberation" war. an important port city of a00,000, now a smoking ruin, with no clean water or power. from the local authorities come accounts of atrocities that we cannot independently verify. an art school that was sheltering 400, apparently destroyed from the air. in one part of town, it's claimed that advancing soldiers have forcibly taken thousands of ukrainians across the border into russia. translation: the besieged city. of mariupol will go down in history for the war crimes being committed. the terror the occupiers did to the peaceful city will be remembered for centuries to come. a staggering quarter of all ukrainians have been forced out of their homes during this war. about three million of those have left the country, leaving 6.5 million looking for safety inside ukraine, somewhere like here in lviv. those that have managed to escape
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mariupol bring harrowing stories. vadim is a pensioner and is now staying in a lviv apartment paid for by his daughter. when the home he shared with his wife irina came underfire, they sheltered for 12 days inside a theatre. irina says they burned the chairs to boil water for the 600 children there. two days after vadim and irina left, the theatre was bombed. it's still not clear what has happened to all the children. "those people were killed for nothing, they're civilians", irina says. "mariupol is a russian—speaking city, everyone has relatives in russia and russia is killing its own people." "i'm glad putin opened my eyes as to who i really am," says vadim. "we are ukrainians."
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that's the situation facing so many families— that's the situation facing so many families here, who have taken refuge in the _ families here, who have taken refuge in the city— families here, who have taken refuge in the city from the war elsewhere, 'ust in the city from the war elsewhere, just to _ in the city from the war elsewhere, just to recap — in the city from the war elsewhere, just to recap on those figures. more than 6 _ just to recap on those figures. more than 6 million ukrainians have left their homes to seek shelter elsewhere within this country's borders — elsewhere within this country's borders. those people including nrother— borders. those people including mother i— borders. those people including mother i spoke to this morning travelling — mother i spoke to this morning travelling with her seven—year—old daughter, — travelling with her seven—year—old daughter, and her own mother. they have left— daughter, and her own mother. they have left behind the male members of their families have left behind the male members of theirfamilies in have left behind the male members of their families in kharkiv, and she told me — their families in kharkiv, and she told me she had also left her heart behind _ told me she had also left her heart behind there. i also spoke to a 19—year—old who wants to be a professional violinist. 19—year—old who wants to be a professionalviolinist. he 19—year—old who wants to be a professional violinist. he carried to violence in his bag. this is where — to violence in his bag. this is where he _ to violence in his bag. this is where he sets up his new life. there are some _ where he sets up his new life. there are some of— where he sets up his new life. there are some of the 6.5 million ukrainians who have had to find shelter— ukrainians who have had to find shelter elsewhere in this country. more _ shelter elsewhere in this country. more than— shelter elsewhere in this country. more than 3 million have found shelter— more than 3 million have found shelter across the borders in
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neighbouring countries in the eu. my colleague _ neighbouring countries in the eu. my colleague tells the story of some of those _ colleague tells the story of some of those ukrainians in the country of romania — the river danube cuts ukraine in the north from romania to the south. so many people are fleeing ukraine, it's easy to miss the few returning by river ferry. you still need a ticket if you're going the wrong way. it's a romanian ship flying the ukrainian flag as a courtesy. irina is one of the passengers, a lawyerfrom kyiv. she's just taken her twin children to safety in germany. now she's on her way back to fetch her mother. ukraine was a great country but now everything is ruined and i don't know will stay my house in safety? i don't know when i can come back to ukraine. the ferry docks and a dozen
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or so people disembark. barely an hour later, the ferry fills with refugees. irina and her mother natalia are among them. many are from 0desa, but there are also some from mykolaiv, the city further east still blocking any russian advance along the coast. in romania, the ukrainians get a warm welcome. she was crying, she thinks that we will never see each other again. i will feel happy when i return to ukraine. i will be happy. as the sun sets, another ferry embarks from the romanian shore to bring more ukrainians across. nick thorpe, bbc news, in isaccea in the danube delta.
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let's try to analyse and understand that abstract figure of 10 million, which _ that abstract figure of 10 million, which is — that abstract figure of 10 million, which is perhaps quite difficult to understand. i'mjoined by matt which is perhaps quite difficult to understand. i'm joined by matt salt march _ understand. i'm joined by matt salt march from unhcr in geneva. has the un ever— march from unhcr in geneva. has the un ever dealt with anything on this speed _ un ever dealt with anything on this speed and — un ever dealt with anything on this speed and skill before? i un ever dealt with anything on this speed and skill before?— speed and skill before? i think in terms of speed, _ speed and skill before? i think in terms of speed, colleagues - speed and skill before? i think in terms of speed, colleagues i - speed and skill before? i think in| terms of speed, colleagues i have spoken to have worked in crisis for decades have said they have never seen this number of people moving so fast stuck certainly in terms of speed, i think if you talked about absolute numbers, you could talk about syria in recent memory, and obviously it is still ongoing. where the numbers are comparable. but of course, syria has been at war or conflict for many years now, so certainly in terms of the combination of speed and scale, it is quite unprecedented. what
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combination of speed and scale, it is quite unprecedented.— combination of speed and scale, it is quite unprecedented. what can you tell us about — is quite unprecedented. what can you tell us about the _ is quite unprecedented. what can you tell us about the un's _ is quite unprecedented. what can you tell us about the un's efforts - is quite unprecedented. what can you tell us about the un's efforts to - tell us about the un's efforts to find out — tell us about the un's efforts to find out what is going on in mariupol— find out what is going on in mariupol and get into marie apple? well. _ mariupol and get into marie apple? well, unhcr doesn't have a presence in the city at the moment. 0bviously in the city at the moment. obviously we are observing events very carefully. 0thers we are observing events very carefully. others in the un system are trying to negotiate what we call are trying to negotiate what we call a safe passage, to try to ensure that both civilians can leave it safely and get to safety, but also ensure that vitally needed humanitarian aid and assistance can get into the city. just humanitarian aid and assistance can get into the city-— get into the city. just looking at it, how get into the city. just looking at it. how much — get into the city. just looking at it, how much aid _ get into the city. just looking at it, how much aid to _ get into the city. just looking at it, how much aid to do - get into the city. just looking at it, how much aid to do 10 - get into the city. just looking at. it, how much aid to do 10 million people _ it, how much aid to do 10 million people need? it it, how much aid to do 10 million peeple need?— people need? it is very hard to auanti . people need? it is very hard to quantify- huge _ people need? it is very hard to quantify. huge amounts - people need? it is very hard to quantify. huge amounts of - quantify. huge amounts of assistance. i think the primary need right now a sports shelter. so to make sure that people have somewhere to stay, that they have a mattress,
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a blanket, food and water. it is really within the country we are talking about, very basic assistance. we have been running convoys, it has ever other agencies, across the border from the neighbouring countries stop in the case of poland, we have 35 trucks over the border so far. many more are planned. and these are bringing basic life—saving equipment to the country. as i say, within the country, it is finding safe areas where people can stay to shelter from the storm.— where people can stay to shelter from the storm. how difficult are the negotiations _ from the storm. how difficult are the negotiations that _ from the storm. how difficult are the negotiations that the - from the storm. how difficult are the negotiations that the un - from the storm. how difficult are the negotiations that the un has| from the storm. how difficult are i the negotiations that the un has to have with _ the negotiations that the un has to have with russia in order to secure safe passage to places that are coming — safe passage to places that are coming under russian assault? we are not directly involved, _ coming under russian assault? we are not directly involved, unhcr, - coming under russian assault? we are not directly involved, unhcr, but- coming under russian assault? we are not directly involved, unhcr, but i - not directly involved, unhcr, but i know from speaking to colleagues that organisations have been working in this, it is difficult, there are many factors i need to be taken into account. the two sides of conflict
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have to agree, they then have to find the roots, manage the logistics and security, and make sure that things are safe to proceed. looking back over the last week or weeks, there had been many attempts that have been unsuccessful. many have been unsuccessful so far. i have been unsuccessful. many have been unsuccessful so far.— have been unsuccessful. many have been unsuccessful so far. i know you have been out _ been unsuccessful so far. i know you have been out in _ been unsuccessful so far. i know you have been out in the _ been unsuccessful so far. i know you have been out in the field. _ been unsuccessful so far. i know you have been out in the field. where i have been out in the field. where did you _ have been out in the field. where did you go? i have been out in the field. where did you go?— have been out in the field. where did you go? i was in poland on the border, did you go? i was in poland on the border. and _ did you go? i was in poland on the border, and what _ did you go? i was in poland on the border, and what i _ did you go? i was in poland on the border, and what i saw _ did you go? i was in poland on the border, and what i saw when - did you go? i was in poland on the border, and what i saw when i - did you go? i was in poland on the| border, and what i saw when i first arrived was a huge number of people crossing. primarily the congestion was on the ukrainian side and things were moving much quicker on the polish side. in the last couple of days, the numbers declined, we were looking at maybe 40,000 coming across in the last few days. that is down on well over 100,000. but however there are certainly no
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complacency here. there is an expectation that numbers may well rise, and that depends very much on what happens around lviv, where we know that a number of people are hunkering down. it has been relatively calm recently, but if that changes, the situation on the polish border will change, too. does poland have — polish border will change, too. does poland have enough _ polish border will change, too. does poland have enough resources on its own? _ poland have enough resources on its own? ., , ., ., , ., ., own? the polish authorities are now callin: for own? the polish authorities are now calling for more _ own? the polish authorities are now calling for more support. _ own? the polish authorities are now calling for more support. a - own? the polish authorities are now calling for more support. a numberl calling for more support. a number of mayors in big cities have said they have reached saturation point. what they are doing now is looking to other regions and municipalities to other regions and municipalities to step up and to find reception centres. the mayday model has been working is that refugees crossing the border will generally stay a night or two around the border or the border, then they will recuperate, gather information, and then move on to a longer term
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accommodation somewhere else in the country. the country is managing very well now, but of course it does need support. it is calling for more support. and unhcr and its partners are ready to provide that. one of the things we are doing is providing cash to refugees. that is very important because it gives them flexibility, means that they can spend money on what is needed for them. ~., spend money on what is needed for them. ., , ., them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank ou them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank you for— them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank you forjoining _ them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank you forjoining us. _ them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank you forjoining us. it _ them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank you forjoining us. it is - them. matt salt marsh from unhcr, thank you forjoining us. it is now . thank you forjoining us. it is now early— thank you forjoining us. it is now early evening in western ukraine, there _ early evening in western ukraine, there is— early evening in western ukraine, there is some degree of normality. matt sait _ there is some degree of normality. matt salt marsh. you are able to buy coffee _ matt salt marsh. you are able to buy coffee and _ matt salt marsh. you are able to buy coffee and sit on the street, and for many— coffee and sit on the street, and for many ukrainians that will have been _ for many ukrainians that will have been a _ for many ukrainians that will have been a breather. they might have had to leave _ been a breather. they might have had to leave behind in the east, or male members _ to leave behind in the east, or male members of— to leave behind in the east, or male members of the family, who have been
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ordered _ members of the family, who have been ordered by— members of the family, who have been ordered by the government to stay and to— ordered by the government to stay and to fight. later on this evening, as the _ and to fight. later on this evening, as the sun — and to fight. later on this evening, as the sun goes down, church bells will as the sun goes down, church bells wiii tote _ as the sun goes down, church bells wiii tote as— as the sun goes down, church bells will tole as they will do in a number— will tole as they will do in a number of other countries. with that. _ number of other countries. with that. it — number of other countries. with that. it is — number of other countries. with that, it is now back to you. let me “ust brin: that, it is now back to you. let me just bring you _ that, it is now back to you. let me just bring you some _ that, it is now back to you. let me just bring you some pictures - that, it is now back to you. let me just bring you some pictures of. that, it is now back to you. let me just bring you some pictures of a l just bring you some pictures of a protest that has been taking place. demonstrators chanting, "go home, russians", were wearing ukrainian flags and the colours of the country, confronting russian military vehicles. military vehicles turning around and leaving. it is something we see in the course of these pictures, whether it is a temporary withdrawal away from a particular flashpoint or
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something more significant that that is farfrom clear at something more significant that that is far from clear at the moment. that is the picture a little early today. let's stay with the rows being played by various charities. there are also professionals among them. let's speak to christopher stokes who's the emergency co—ordinator for medecins sans frontieres and he's in lviv. thank you very much for being with us today and breaking off from what must be a very busy time. how would you characterise the picture at the moment in terms of those critical questions of available food and water and heating supplies? in some areas, the temperature has been dropping as far as —10 at night. yeah, when it comes to heating, that has been most critical in places
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like mariupol or in some of the towns in the north. we have had staff in mariupol tell us what it is like to live in buildings where the widows have been blown out and there is no heating available, but it is just one of a number of issues that they are having to deal with. we are more focused on medical supplies, and there are all sorts of problems around that issue. medical supply access to health care across the country as we speak. i access to health care across the country as we speak. i understand ou are country as we speak. i understand you are doing _ country as we speak. i understand you are doing quite _ country as we speak. i understand you are doing quite a _ country as we speak. i understand you are doing quite a lot - country as we speak. i understand you are doing quite a lot of - country as we speak. i understand you are doing quite a lot of work l country as we speak. i understand | you are doing quite a lot of work to try and prepare surgeons and others working in hospitals with them for the sort of trauma injuries they are likely to see from bombardment, but also the volume of cases that may come along at once, particularly if there is a significant attack on the city. there is a significant attack on the ci . r . ., , there is a significant attack on the ci . a . , , ., city. actually, yeah, we were discussing — city. actually, yeah, we were discussing this _ city. actually, yeah, we were discussing this in _ city. actually, yeah, we were discussing this in the - city. actually, yeah, we were discussing this in the team, i city. actually, yeah, we were i discussing this in the team, and what we have been seeing on the ground. you can look at it in three ways. you have the most extreme cases, there is that are the most
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pressing needs for humanitarian assistance but seemed merely beyond that. and that will beat mariupol and city is really under siege. there they are lacking even the most basic medical supplies, blood banks are empty, they have trouble with even the most basic emergency surgical supplies. and what you really need to do there is a evacuate the wounded, get some supplies in but it will be better to evacuate. we are talking about hundreds of people who need to be taken out, who have been wounded by shrapnel are snipers, etc. and then a second category, towns that are just behind the front line where they are already receiving wounded. and there we are doing mass casualty training, but it is already a little bit late because in some of these places there are 20, 30 wounded a day, something they have never seen before. very complex trauma. so we are trying to help them get ready
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but they are already in the midst of it, and we are bringing supplies. and a third group which is like here in the vivre, where there have been a few attacks, but hundred and 50 wounded with the missile attacks close to the border here. but generally they have been spared the worst of it and they are not close to the front line, but here is while there are problems in terms of supply running short. central warehouses no longer able to provide them with what they need. so it is a complex picture, the cracks are getting bigger throughout the country on the health care side. that country on the health care side. at the moment, are you able to fill the gaps with things like using other forms of transport like trains to get goods around the country? and if you are, how long do you think you will be able to keep that going? yeah, i wouldn't stay there that we are filling the gaps, but we are trying in some of the more critical areas. in mariupol, we cannot get
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in. and we are not able to send supplies in ourselves for the moment. but in other parts, like he have, other parts in the east, we are using trains, the national railway services still running, it hasn't been too badly hit so far. and that has been one of the most reliable ways to get supplies in. working with them quite closely and even considering using the trains to evacuate the wounded, which is something that has happened sporadically but something that we are looking at a bit more closely. for any medic are looking at a bit more closely. forany medic in are looking at a bit more closely. for any medic in a war zone, trying to sustain life until the point at which you can actually give the kind of attention that is needed. presumably we are not quite there yet. what sort of situation do you fear will follow for medical operations when the war gets into the cities, in terms of direct combat?— the cities, in terms of direct combat? ~ , , combat? well, it is there in parts of ukraine _ combat? well, it is there in parts of ukraine already, _ combat? well, it is there in parts of ukraine already, in _
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combat? well, it is there in parts of ukraine already, in mariupol, i of ukraine already, in mariupol, khakis. mariupol is the most critical case. we've had people in the hospitals there. they are talking up to 1000 wounded potentially that need to be evacuated out. but there are much bigger cities that are already being hit. khakis, he to some extent. and we will be looking at very significant numbers because unfortunately civilians are not being protected in this conflict. thank you very much for giving us your time. we know how busy you are. hopefully those messages are getting out loud and clear and all the work you and your colleagues are doing on the ground. thank you. now a more cheerful moment in ukraine. captured by my colleague, lyse doucet. in the heart of kyiv, in st sophia's square, thousands of tulips.
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a trident takes shape, a three—pronged spear. it's our symbol, the symbol of ukraine and once more symbol of peace and of our country. for one side, we want to stay in peace but for another, all of us are ready to stay and to defend our country. and so many people have left kyiv, especially women and children. why are you still here? i don't want to go anywhere. my grand—grand—grandfathers, mothers were born and died in my city and for me kyiv is my heart. i understand and i'm absolutely sure that people who have small children, they must leave because it's not possible to stay when bombs will come, i don't know, on the land.
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when you see what's happening to mariupol, to kharkiv, and so many other parts of the country, does it worry you this could happen here? it's a very big pain in my heart. daytime i am a restaurateur and in daytime we are cooking for our people. in the night time, i'm praying. it's my way how to support these people. also i do a lot of volunteer work with people who come from mariupol, from bucha, from irpin, from chernihiv, from kharkiv, everyone doing the best what they can do from their place. people from across the city are being drawn to this intriguing installation, including a very popular rock star, 0leg skrypka. why are you here? a lot of ukrainians left the country but i think we have to stay here to support our land, to support ukrainians
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and support our warriors and it's my country, it's my city and now we are in the war but mostly important is the culture, and it's the action installation with flower because the flower is the symbol of freedom. so are you fighting this war with your culture, with your music? i found the channel to support emotional for people. you try to inspire them? because music can't stop russian tanks. absolutely, we'll do it. he sings ukrainian national anthem # shche ne vmerla ukrainy # ni slava, ni volya # shche nam, brattya molodiyi # slava ukraini!
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that's the power of music. he claims it can stop russian tanks but certainly it does inspire ukrainians and they are looking for inspiration at this time of devastating war, now in its first month and no sign it's going to end any time soon. let us leave you with these pictures of tanks being turned around by people power. chanting, "go home to the russian soldiers." they watched as the vehicle was forced to reverse with the civilians on the streets. a small example of how determination to stand and resist can have a small impact, even if it is only temporary. you can see people draped in the flag of ukraine as they turn away there would be occupiers. those
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are the headlines on bbc news. more from us in the course of the next few minutes. and it's another fine day today brought by a large area of high pressure. 0n the satellite picture, you can see the clouds rotating around this big high. just fringing on western parts of the uk. and also a bit of cloud rotating into parts of the southeast and east anglia. not completely sunny everywhere, but i think sunny for most of us. the temperatures today will have maxed out at around ten degrees on the north sea coast — and still feels chilly in that wind out of the east. around western parts of the country, possibly no higher than 13. it will be a chilly evening this evening and a frost developing tonight. so here's the forecast. clear skies and light winds across many central areas of the uk. could be cloudy for a time along the north sea coast and maybe out towards the west.
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you can see the blue colours, that's where the frost is. even in central london it will be barely above freezing. 0nly there in tropical plymouth, around 6 degrees. here's the forecast for the next few days — it will become warmer, much warmer widely across the uk as this milder air sets in from the south and pushes away that colder air that we've had off the north sea. so a much warmer atmosphere spreading in across the uk. in fact, air coming all the way from portugal and spain, maybe even northern africa. here's the forecast for tomorrow. lots of sunshine around. a little bit of cloud building in the south. so i think we'll call it sunny spells rather than clear blue skies, but decent temperatures — 16 in london, a little bit better on that north sea coast. still a little on the chilly side in northern scotland — eight to ten degrees. then, from tuesday, a proper mild current of air coming in from the southern climes.
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i think temperatures will reach 20. we've already had 20 — in fact, that is what happened yesterday in western scotland. but i think the high teens up to 20, more widespread on tuesday. up to 20 in london, i think 17 or 18 in the north west of england and mid to high teens in central parts of scotland. and then this is wednesday — spot the difference? it's going to be another mild if not warm day. and with lighter winds, it really is going to feel fantastic. so the forecast into the week ahead. you can see that fine weather continues. a little bit of a dip in the temperature as we head into the weekend, in the saturday and sunday. but still decent enough. goodbye.
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this is bbc world news, the headlines... the number of refugees who've fled their homes since since the start of the war in ukraine reaches 10 million. ukraine's politicians warn the mass exodus
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of people from their homes will have a worsening effect on the deepening food crisis in the region. in ukraine, the bombardment continues — russia bombs a school in mariupol where around 400 people were sheltering. president zelensky says moscow has committed war crimes in the city. now it's time for talking business, which this week is looking at how the war in ukraine has shone a spotlight on europe's reliance on russian oil and gas. hello, everybody and welcome to talking business weekly with me, aaron heslehurst. let's go and take a look at what is on the show. can the west and its reliance on russia's vast oil and gas reserves? as putin continues a bombardment of ukrainian cities, europe continues to buy fossil fuels from moscow, but for how much longer? i will be discussing all of that with the head of the international energy agency, the iea, and the formal ——former boss of oil giant bp. also on the show, with energy prices on the up, the aviation industry is facing a another tough year. so, i speak to the bosses of delta air lines about the cost of flying in 2022.

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