whether or not they come in and out of the uk. i'm ben brown, live in lviv. as the conflict enters its second month, the ukrainian military says diplomatic efforts continue for an emergency meeting in brussels as they double the number of troops in countries bordering ukraine. vladimir putin has already crossed the red line into barbarism, and i think it is now up to nato to consider together the appalling crisis in ukraine, the appalling suffering of the people of ukraine, and to see what more we can do to help the people of ukraine protect themselves. as the conflict enters its second

month, the ukrainian military says it's destroyed a russian landing ship in the port of berdiansk, which could have been carrying several tanks and hundreds of marines. president zelensky has called for a show of support around the world. come from your offices, your homes, your schools and your universities. come in the name of peace. come with ukrainian symbols to support ukraine, to support freedom. to support life. i'm joanna gosling. in the uk, the chancellor defends his spring statement — saying he's taken action to support households affected by the rise in the cost of living. it comes as one think tank says more than a million people will be pushed into poverty from april. mr sunak said the tax cut would save employees £330 a year — it comes as the uk's public finance watchdog said living standards are set to take the biggest hit since records began in the 1950s. my tax plan delivers the biggest net

cut to personal taxes in over a quarter of a century, and i commend it to this house! the truth is, mr speaker, people can no longer afford the conservatives. working families can't, pensioners can't, and businesses can't. welcome to bbc news — i'm ben brown, in lviv. it is one month today since russia invaded this country and began this devastating war — a war that is certainly not going as president putin had hoped or planned.

there are estimates that some 10,000 russian troops have died, with between 30,000 and 40,000 injured. western intelligence agencies suggest russian troops are increasingly demoralised, and some of them even risk being encircled near the capital, kyiv, where ukrainian forces have been counter attacking. ukraine claims to have recaptured territory in makariv and irpin. the uk is promising to send another 6000 missiles to replenish ukraine's dwindling stocks of weaponry. today, us presidentjoe biden is in brussels meeting eu g7 and nato leaders, and he's expected to announce a new raft of sanctions on russia, seeking to put more pressure on the kremlin to end this war. nato chiefjens stoltenberg welcomed leaders to the summit.

he outlined what nato sets out to achieve in today's meeting and paid tribute to both ukrainian people and those in russia speaking out against the war. welcome to this extraordinary nato summit. we gather at a critical time for our security. we are united in condemning the kremlin�*s unprovoked aggression and in our support for ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. we are determined to continue to impose costs on russia to bring about the end of this brutal war. we pay tribute to the great courage of the ukrainian people and the ukrainian armed forces fighting for their freedom and their rights. we also recognise those in russia who are bravely speaking out against the war. we hear their voices, they matter.

today we will discuss allied support to ukraine, we will also address nato's efforts to strengthen our defences now and for the years to come. we are all doing more — on land, at sea, and in the air. this is necessary to respond to the new security reality in europe. british prime minister borisjohnson has also arrived at the summit. he indicated what leaders would be discussing today. i think the reality is that vladimir putin has already crossed the red line into barbarism. and i think it's now up to nato to consider together the appalling crisis in ukraine, the appalling suffering of the people of ukraine and to see what more we can do to help the people of ukraine to protect themselves, see what more we can do to tighten the economic base around

the economic vice around the putin regime and that's what we are going to be... some of the things we are going be talking about. do you think there could i potentially be a recession as a result of this invasion? should europe and the rest - of the world be prepared for that? i think it's very important that we work together to get this thing done as fast as possible. the harder our sanctions, the tougher our economic vice around the putin regime and the more we can do to help the ukrainians, i think the faster that this thing can be over. thank you all very much. it comes as president volodymyr zelensky has urged people worldwide to demonstrate their support for ukraine as the war with russia enters its second month. in his latest video address, he appealed in english for rallies to be held in the cause of peace. show you are standing, come from your offices, your homes, your schools and your universities.

come in the name of peace. come with ukrainian symbols to support ukraine, to support freedom, to support life. come to your squares, your streets, make yourselves visible and heard. say that people matter, freedom matters, peace matters, ukraine matters. the ukrainian military says its forces have destroyed a russian landing ship in the occupied port of berdiansk, on the azov sea, west of mariupol. according to unverified reports, two more ships are on fire. ukraine's deputy defence minister said the 0rsk azov seacould transport 20 tanks,

45 armoured personnel carriers and 400 marines. the destruction of the ship represents another setback to russia's attempt to establish a land corridor between the occupied territories of crimea and the donbas. on monday, with much fanfare, russia's defence a large beachable landing support ship, ministry announced the docking of the 0rsk — a large beachable landing support ship in the port of berdyansk. it said it was one of ten ships deployed to supply the southern flank, which has seen the fiercest fighting in the war so far. the destruction of the 0rsk is likely to come as a blow to the morale of russian troops who've been trying for weeks to take the key port of mariupol. now that russian morale is low. there is a reporter russian thrust

by amongst russian troops an inability to repatriate their dead. let's speak to zhanna bezpiatchuk from the bbc�*s ukrainian service who is also in lviv what are ukrainians what are ukrainians expecting from nato today? ukrainians are expecting unity of the alliance and further measures which might help stop the war. unfortunately, some people think nato members might be influenced by russia, this includes hungary. but ukraine also expects mental might help out with protective equipment against biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. against biological, chemical and nuclearweapons. —— against biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. —— expects nato might. unfortunately, these measures are taken very seriously in ukraine at the current stage of this war.

also, ukraine expects new deals on the supply of anti aircraft and anti—missile warfare systems. they are very much needed by the ukrainian army. there are russian air raids against ukrainian towns and cities continuing. they target residential blocks. all across the country. also, ukraine asks for the full closure of all international ports for russian ships and what more severe economic sanctions on russia. we more severe economic sanctions on russia. ~ ., ,., more severe economic sanctions on russia. ~ ., ., ., , russia. we also heard from president zelens . russia. we also heard from president zelensky- we — russia. we also heard from president zelensky. we have _ russia. we also heard from president zelensky. we have heard _ russia. we also heard from president zelensky. we have heard a _ russia. we also heard from president zelensky. we have heard a lot - russia. we also heard from president zelensky. we have heard a lot from i zelensky. we have heard a lot from him in the last few weeks, of course. but this was an address in english, he was speaking notjust to the ukrainian people, but to people

all over the world, telling them to come out and protest against the russian invasion. what kind of impact do you think that speech will have made? i impact do you think that speech will have made?— have made? i can speak about the exnectations _ have made? i can speak about the expectations ukrainians _ have made? i can speak about the expectations ukrainians have, - have made? i can speak about the | expectations ukrainians have, they do expect starting from today, the day which marked the first month of this war which continues, more and more people from different countries around the world will take to the streets to protest against this war. for ukraine, it is absolutely clear that this is a war against humanity, a war against europe, at least. the reason why the ukrainian president appeals to the whole world, to people from different countries, to get out of their offices, universities and homes and to protest against the war. thank you ve much protest against the war. thank you very much indeed. _

let's speak to lord peter ricketts, the former uk permanent representative to nato and the former chair of the joint intelligence committee. a nato summit today, a nato emergency summit. what more can nato do to help ukraine in this existential struggle against the russian military?— existential struggle against the russian military? first of all, this is an enormous _ russian military? first of all, this is an enormous display _ russian military? first of all, this is an enormous display of - russian military? first of all, this | is an enormous display of strength and solidarity with ukraine by nato leaders. it is part of an extraordinary day in brussels, where you have notjust nato, but an eu summit with president biting and a meeting of g7 leaders including the japanese prime minister. really, the western world coming together in support of ukraine. i'm sure there will be more practical decisions, arms and equipment that others will be providing, more economic support

i'm sure, and most an infilling of night so around the border with russia to make an unmistakable signal that he should not come and mess with nato, that any escalation of this crisis would be devastatingly bad news for russia. so i think it is an important day of consolidating the unity that has been created over the last month and thinking how we will will sustain that in the months to come. that will be the next big issue. {iii that in the months to come. that will be the next big issue. of cost president zelensky _ will be the next big issue. of cost president zelensky wants - will be the next big issue. of cost president zelensky wants more . will be the next big issue. of cost i president zelensky wants more than that, he wants a no—fly zone imposed by nato. that is not going to happen. but what can nato do in practical terms to help the ukrainian military effort. for example, lots of anti—tank missiles pouring into the country from countries like britain. but what more can nato do?— countries like britain. but what more can nato do? first of all, i

don't see _ more can nato do? first of all, i don't see president _ more can nato do? first of all, i don't see president zelensky - don't see president zelensky pressing and what he said today for a no—fly zone. i think he has accepted that isn't going to happen. also, i think the russians have learned even in territory they have occupied, they are not safe. the sinking of this russian vessel today in occupied ukraine signals that the russians are safe nowhere. i think we have got to continue to help the ukrainian armed forces in this magnificent resistance they have been mounting with the most modern weapons, possibly other sorts of weapons, possibly other sorts of weapons, anti aircraft and so on, and also protection against any chemical or biological weapons attack. i think that is also vital given that there is this real risk that putin will be driven into using the most terrible of these weapons. we are one month into this horrific

war. how do you see it going from here? yes, the ukrainian appear to be counterattacking some areas, but the russian forces may dig in for a war of attrition. we have seen these long—range bombardments in places like mariupol, where they have just targeted residential areas and driven out the population. they think that is going to continue? mariupol shows us that it has taken russia to weeks and weeks to get to this level in one city. i do not think an outright victory is possible for the russians, i don't think it is possible for the ukrainians either. i would love to think a negotiated settlement was on the horizon and this war could be over by negotiation. i honestly don't see that either, i don't think either side is prepared to make concessions that the other wants. so a gradual stagnation, a war of

attrition, in which ukraine will be successful in defending large parts of the country, russia will dig in and settle in others. 0ver of the country, russia will dig in and settle in others. over the months we will have a long conflict, and then probably an angry stalemate with the two sides glaring at each other over a zone of separation. that is a very bad outcome for all concerned, it means a continuing crisis and conflict in the middle of europe, but that seems to be the most likely outcome at the moment given i oh neither side can score a knockout victory.— knockout victory. that stalemate effectively ending, _ knockout victory. that stalemate effectively ending, or— knockout victory. that stalemate effectively ending, or meeting i knockout victory. that stalemate effectively ending, or meeting a | effectively ending, or meeting a partition of this country. is that how you see it with the russian occupied territory in the east and the self and ukrainian territory in the self and ukrainian territory in the west? i the self and ukrainian territory in the west? ., ,., , the self and ukrainian territory in the west? ., , ., , ., the west? i fear so. it is really a return to — the west? i fear so. it is really a return to the _ the west? i fear so. it is really a return to the cold _ the west? i fear so. it is really a return to the cold war, - the west? i fear so. it is really a return to the cold war, except . the west? i fear so. it is really a i return to the cold war, except the line of division would pass across ukraine. it means continued

hostility in the longer term between the west and russia, which means having sanctions. it means a decoupling europe from russian energy supplies. some very far—reaching consequences for supper and of course a terrible outcome for the people of ukraine. but i think they have showing front their courage and resistance that it is impossible for russia to subdue the whole country. i think we will continue to have an independent ukraine in a large parts of the country. i wish i could be more optimistic but that is how i see at the moment. optimistic but that is howl see at the moment-— the moment. finally, how do see president putin's _ the moment. finally, how do see president putin's position? - the moment. finally, how do see president putin's position? he i president putin's position? he staked a lot on this war. it is definitely not going as he originally planned or hope for. today symbolises that. in brussels we have a very large collection of the world's leaders, perhaps 35 leaders gathering together. in moscow, we havejulian isolated with

no allies, unless you can't belarus. and china in a very ambivalent position but certainly not giving wholehearted support to russia. —— in moscow, we have putin mike isolated. we are not about to have a coup d'etat in russia and have putin mike depose, but russia is in a very difficult situation now facing long—term economic pain as a result of what putin mack has done, and who knows what that means in the longer term. )today marks a month since the russian invasion of ukraine began. more than 3.5 million people have now fled ukraine, more than two million of them crossing into poland. mark lowen reports. it's been a month of lives ripped up, a generation driven out, certainty torn apart. a month that we've been here seeing

the heartbreak of the sick forced to flee. but compassion, too, of hearts and homes opened. of the democratic world standing up to the aggressor. four weeks on, the only change is warmer weather. the arrivals keep coming, seeking safety from a war some don't understand. welcomed where poland can put them. this, a school, a smile for the kids at the ready. inside, volunteers bring comfort after an exhausting journey. yulia kirilenko and her sons fled kyiv, her husband staying to fight. translation: children were killed and teenage girls were raped. - we had to leave. they were shooting at the cars as we tried to escape. we prayed as we drove. it's good here, but we want to go home. i just want this to end.

the trauma on the youngest could take years to show and last a lifetime. 0lga's little ones already feel it. translation: they were asking why helicopters were flying, _ why there were sirens, why people were dying. i had to explain it in a way that didn't hurt them. at the start of the invasion, we watched as panic prompted the immediate first rush to escape. but these are the people who didn't want to leave, thinking they could stick it out, that the bombs might stop. but they didn't stop and more than 3.5 million refugees later, there's a growing feeling of the long term about this, with all the challenges that that will entail. destination warsaw, whose population is up by almost a fifth. new arrivals given id numbers and school places. they have a journey to safety, but their country still has no passage to peace. mark lowen, bbc news,

on the poland—ukraine border. as mark was saying there, 3.5 million people have left ukraine because of this war, but altogether 10 million people have been displaced from their homes, many of them seeking refuge not abroad but in the safer parts of ukraine, like live with, whether we are. 10 million people, that is roughly a quarter of the entire population of this country, really staggering numbers of people on the move. that is itfrom leave for it now. i will hand you back tojoanna in the studio. britain's chancellor has defended his spring statement, after critics said he'd not done enough to help households facing soaring energy costs and rising bills due to increasing inflation. rishi sunak insisted he'd taken action to help people by cutting fuel duty and raising the income threshold for national insurance contributions.

the spring statement is a response to the cost of living crisis which the country is experiencing and is about to get worse. it's not me saying it, it's the people the government employs to do the economic forecasts are suggesting we could see the biggest fall in living standards in any one year since the 1950s when current records began. they are also saying prices could go up at their fastest rate for 48 years. against that kind of backdrop, the chancellor has been doing some things to help hard—pressed families, but questions have been raised as to whether he is doing enough. the resolution foundation looks at the effect on lower paid workers, they are suggesting that more than1 million people could be forced into poverty. the opposition are saying too that they believe the chancellor has not quite grasped the full scale of the crisis. even some of his own

conservative mps who like some of the measure he is introducing including the prospect of a tax cut before the next general election are nonetheless worried about the effect on the most disadvantaged, state benefits will rise at half the level currently of the increase in prices. they may not be able to keep up. the chancellor was asked about this this morning and he said he is helping families under difficult economic conditions. those are all tax—cutting measures. we also _ those are all tax—cutting measures. we also cut — those are all tax—cutting measures. we also cut taxes for businesses to make _ we also cut taxes for businesses to make it _ we also cut taxes for businesses to make it cheaper for them to employ staff _ make it cheaper for them to employ staff. across the board. we also cut vat on _ staff. across the board. we also cut vat on people who want to install solar _ vat on people who want to install solar panels and heat pumps at home. i have _ solar panels and heat pumps at home.

i have always been honest, these are global— i have always been honest, these are global challenges that we face. we are not_ global challenges that we face. we are not alone in experiencing them. it is the _ are not alone in experiencing them. it is the hardest part of thisjob, not being — it is the hardest part of thisjob, not being able to do everything people — not being able to do everything people would like you to do. but i can't _ people would like you to do. but i can't make — people would like you to do. but i can't make every problem go away. but where — can't make every problem go away. but where we can make a difference, we want _ but where we can make a difference, we want to _ but where we can make a difference, we want to and that is what you said it was— we want to and that is what you said it was all— we want to and that is what you said it was all about.— it was all about. rishi sunak think that is what _ it was all about. rishi sunak think that is what his _ it was all about. rishi sunak think that is what his spring _ it was all about. rishi sunak think that is what his spring statementl that is what his spring statement yesterday was all about, but his critics say he is only cutting taxes by a fraction of the amount he has already raised. some of his own mps saying he should go further and faster on tax cuts and they are down on inflation. there is a political dividing line growing between the government and opposition. the liberal democrats are common for a one of tax on energy companies, something the chancellor is resisting. the labour spokesperson,

rachel reeves, suggested the chancellor was indulging in alice in wonderland economics. at the end of this parliament seven out of— at the end of this parliament seven out of eight workers will be paying more _ out of eight workers will be paying more in _ out of eight workers will be paying more in taxes, because during the course _ more in taxes, because during the course of— more in taxes, because during the course of the two years rishi sunak has been _ course of the two years rishi sunak has been chancellor taxes have been at least _ has been chancellor taxes have been at least 15 _ has been chancellor taxes have been at least 15 times. the cut in income tax the _ at least 15 times. the cut in income tax the year— at least 15 times. the cut in income tax the year after next year is not making _ tax the year after next year is not making up — tax the year after next year is not making up for the multiple tax increases _ making up for the multiple tax increases that this government has imposed _ increases that this government has imposed on ordinary working people up imposed on ordinary working people up and _ imposed on ordinary working people up and down our country.— imposed on ordinary working people up and down our country. rachel the race for the — up and down our country. rachel the race for the opposition _ up and down our country. rachel the race for the opposition labour - up and down our country. rachel the race for the opposition labour partyl race for the opposition labour party there making clear... she said the tax cuts should be done now. critics

say there is not enough being done to help people put bread on the tables right now. some of those critics are inside rishi sunak�*s own party. that was a hint from the chancellor in the various broadcast interviews he has done that if we see a further increase in energy prices, we are told that these could rise by 40% in the autumn, then he is prepared to do more. the chancellor yesterday announced a 5p cut in fuel duty — but has that filtered through to customers as yet? let's speak to rod dennis, who's a spokesperson for the rac. has it filtered through? not yet unless you _ has it filtered through? not yet unless you go _ has it filtered through? not yet unless you go to _ has it filtered through? not yet unless you go to one _ has it filtered through? not yet unless you go to one of - has it filtered through? not yet unless you go to one of the - has it filtered through? not yet unless you go to one of the big| unless you go to one of the big supermarkets, you're not likely to see the impact of fuel duty cuts just yet. the reason for that is because fuel duty is applied to the wholesale cost, the price that we tell products in four. if you perhaps visit a filling station that has only had a recent delivery, that

retailer needs to buy the product in at the lower rate in order for you to benefit from it. i'm afraid not many drivers will be noticing huge cuts at the pumps today. in many drivers will be noticing huge cuts at the pumps today.- cuts at the pumps today. in the scheme of _ cuts at the pumps today. in the scheme of things, _ cuts at the pumps today. in the scheme of things, how - cuts at the pumps today. in the scheme of things, how much i cuts at the pumps today. in the scheme of things, how much of cuts at the pumps today. in the i scheme of things, how much of a difference will it make? i was looking at a graph on your website which shows how petrol and diesel prices are tracked over time. looking back at my 2020, and the price of petrol was 100 and 6p a litre, it is not 160 7p a litre. diesel is nearly £180 p. five points of a litre, what difference will that make? hat points of a litre, what difference will that make?— will that make? not a lot, if i'm honest. will that make? not a lot, if i'm honest- the _ will that make? not a lot, if i'm honest. the driver _ will that make? not a lot, if i'm honest. the driver could - will that make? not a lot, if i'm honest. the driver could have . will that make? not a lot, if i'm i honest. the driver could have done nothing at all for drivers, we know how dependent many drivers are using their vehicles. how dependent many drivers are using theirvehicles. but how dependent many drivers are using their vehicles. but really it was a drop in at the ocean. a 5p cut, plus

1p drop in at the ocean. a 5p cut, plus 1p coming of vat, would in reality only take 6p of the average cost of petrol and diesel, about the same as about a week and a half ago. a week and a half ago people already felt prices were extremely high. they have gone up further since then and obviously there is a chance they will go up and coming days as well. if that happens, drivers are unlikely to see any benefits, they will be cancelled out in the coming days. again, it is better than nothing. this days. again, it is better than nothinu. r �* ., ., nothing. as i've mentioned, on the rah, it nothing. as i've mentioned, on the graph. it is — nothing. as i've mentioned, on the graph, it is virtually _ nothing. as i've mentioned, on the graph, it is virtually a _ nothing. as i've mentioned, on the graph, it is virtually a vertical- graph, it is virtually a vertical line going upwards since the start of the year. line going upwards since the start of the year-— of the year. what would you anticipate? _ of the year. what would you anticipate? i— of the year. what would you anticipate? i think _ of the year. what would you anticipate? i think it - of the year. what would you anticipate? i think it is i of the year. what would you | anticipate? i think it is likely we'll see some price increases in the coming days but hopefully not too much. if we look at what's happening on the wholesale market, that has gone up a little bit in recent days. it has settled a bit in the last 2a hours or so. we have got

to monitor this extremely closely. we obviously hope drivers to serial benefit from what the drop chancellor announced. but there is the risk of the cuts would not get passed on in any meaningful sense. if you are filling up your car today, unless you go to one of the big supermarkets, it is unlikely you are going to see a great difference. what will we would have liked the chancellor to have done is to do something with vat. if he had done something with vat. if he had done something there, that can actually help protect drivers from the future into decreases by reducing the overall vat at the treasury makes. he chose not to do that. i don't think that will go far enough to help the many families struggling. are people cutting down on car use because of the cost of petrol and diesel? brute because of the cost of petrol and diesel? ~ ,., , ., . ., because of the cost of petrol and diesel? ~ , ., . ., ., ~' diesel? we did some research to work out to what extent _ diesel? we did some research to work out to what extent the _ diesel? we did some research to work out to what extent the high _ diesel? we did some research to work out to what extent the high prices i out to what extent the high prices are affecting drivers. people saying

they are cutting back on tricks, recreational trips, perhaps arguably the less essential ones. but it has become clear during the pandemic how vital the car was in terms of keeping touch to the people. i think thatis keeping touch to the people. i think that is likely to increase again but it is dependent on the income of a household. i think the concern is that many lower income households who are lucky enough to have cars, because that are older, less efficient, perhaps they don't take the new petrol that came in last summer. the costs for those households will be going up to a very great extent. i think what the chancellor are notjust a day is welcomed, but it is not enough to help people who are still dependent on there because and afraid. also getting reaction to the spring statement is our business reporter, ben boulos, is at a market in west london.

well, here at the western international market they sell all sorts of fresh produce. we've got avocados here. down here, have a look, we've got some raspberries, really nice and fresh. and some clementines, some oranges as well. and it will not have escaped your attention that the cost of everything that we buy in the shops feels like it's been going up. 0ranges, apples, pasta, bread. inflation at the highest rate we have seen now for about 30 years. the chancellor announced plenty of measures yesterday, but is it enough to help? let's speak to some of the traders here. we will start with paul smith, and this is his warehouse, his stall. paul, the 5p cut in fuel duty, how much of a difference does that make to your business? in essence, in itself, not a great deal. it's a lovely gesture. i think everybody appreciates the gesture of it. we are finding major issues with transport and the cost of transport. there are fuel surcharges being levied on us all the time. there are major strikes in spain. that is affecting the logistics

of getting the produce to us here in the uk. and the consequence of that is rising prices. unprecedented rise in prices in the short term at the moment. so the long and short of it, as a business, do the measures announced by the chancellor mean you can bring prices down for your ultimate customers? hopefully, uk based, yes, we try every way we can because we are a very price—sensitive industry. 0k, paul, thank you very much. now, bob also is a trader here and came over to have a chat as i was speaking to paul. bob, you sell, what? prepared foods? prepared fruit, yes. so that is going to shops, to supermarket shelves and so on? correct, restaurants, hotels. so what are you finding in terms of cost and price pressures? it's very, very difficult. three, four months have been exceptionally difficult and as you said earlier, the price rises are unprecedented. inflation now is really kicking into our industry. what does the national insurance rise mean that is coming in april? again, it's another add—on that realistically we could do

without at the moment. you know, i understand the situation has happened and we have realistically got to pay the money back into the nhs and everything. but it'sjust coupled with everything else that's going on, it'sjust very, very hard. the fuel cut, the duty cut, it's great and in any other year, we'd all be thinking, fantastic, oh and that this is a really great incentive. but we've got so many other cuts at the moment that it isjust such a small part. it helps, yes. does it help enough? no, not really. bob, thank you very much. and let's speak to sarah from royal london who has done some number crunching. sarah, what do you make of the chancellor's announcements and do they go far enough? i think the chancellor is under huge pressure to do some direct help to help with energy bills because that's a real concern. so we talked to 4000 people about what they felt about the cost of living rises. and energy bills was the number one concern. 95% were really worried about those. 90% were going to take some action.

but i think what he announced yesterday, although it is going to help some people, some people will definitely be better off, i'm not sure it was targeted enough at the right people and at the direct costs. so with the national insurance change that's coming in injuly, for example, we find that some people were not even aware that the national insurance rate was rising in april. so if you give something back that you take away that people aren't aware of, it doesn't necessarily make them feel better. and although there are also 6 million people who do not pay national insurance, people who do not earn enough, so that change does nothing to help them. and i think as well there was a lot of pressure for him to do more, for example, with the warm home discount. now, that scheme is being expanded anyway this year, but i think there was more he could have done there with direct cost. people are getting those letters and e—mails now saying how much their energy bills are going up and i think that people aren't going to necessarily translate these, the fuel duty cut and the national insurance threshold rising into more money in their pockets to pay for those because they are having to pay now. 0k, sarah, thank you very much.

something just caught my eye over her shoulder as we were chatting, i know we are talking about the spring statement, but have a look at these lovely strawberries. a little sign that, perhaps, summer isn't all that too far off. nato leaders are discussing the situation in ukraine and what more people can do. president lenski has been talking to them via video link. this is what he said.— this is what he said. gave matt has been fighting _ this is what he said. gave matt has been fighting for— this is what he said. gave matt has been fighting for months _ this is what he said. gave matt has been fighting for months already i this is what he said. gave matt has| been fighting for months already as the rest of our state. indeed, we are not in the alliance, not in the mightiest defence alliance of the world. not one of the 30 countries under the umbrella ofjoint defence and article five. we have a feeling

that we are in a grey zone between the west and russia, we are defending all ourjoint values with us. and we are protecting all the values for months already. 0ne us. and we are protecting all the values for months already. one month of heroic defence, terrible dark months of destruction of a peaceful state and the whole architecture and safety. all of this the world is watching. fortens safety. all of this the world is watching. for tens of years, russia has been investing vast resources of bombs, missiles, and the army, they were investing crazy money in death but ukraine is holding on bravely. unfortunately, at the cost of thousands of lives ruined cities, and almost 10 million of relegated

people. 3.5 million refugees are already in nato countries. i am grateful for the support of these people. people unfortunately we'll keep leaving their homes, saving themselves from the terror. in the first hours of the invasion, there were missile attacks of russia against our cities, thousands of rockets, hundreds of air strikes, i spoke to you with it very clear appeal to help shield our sky. to give our people protection against the russian bombs and missiles. ukraine does not have powerful anti—aircraft defence. the russian advantage is using weapons of mass

destruction. you can see the consequences, the number of people killed. the number of peaceful city is we are in not equal terms for over one month. i keep repeating this, to save people and our towns, ukraine needs military support without limitation because russia uses all its arsenal against us without limitation. they have destroyed every residential town, building, from hospitals to bridges and ukraine was appealing to you for aeroplanes, for us not to lose so many people. and so far, we have not received a single aeroplane. we asked for tanks in order to defend our cities which are now dying.

mariupol, many patrol and others, russia holds thousands of hostages and has created artificial hunger there. you have at least 20,000 tanks. ukraine asked for 500. from all of your tanks, just 500. give them to us. sell them to us. so far we have not got a clear answer. there is the most terrible time in the war, there are no clear answers. we as the west for help. ukraine did not want this war. ukraine does not want to wage war for years and years. we want to survive to savour people. any people have the right to life, i do not want to blame. i understand this is not new, this is

not your missiles or bombs destroying our cities, from the morning, we had bombs, russian bombs, children were dying, people were dying. i want you to know, the alliance can prevent ukrainian deaths from russian strikes, from russian occupation by providing us with the munitions we are asking for. we are not part of the alliance, i am for. we are not part of the alliance, iam not for. we are not part of the alliance, i am not putting any blame here, the alliance and the state of the alliance, that is different. it is a question of life and death will stop nato can't be worried about what russia will do but i am convinced you already understand russia is not thinking of stopping in ukraine, it is not thinking about it and it is not going to do it because it wants to be there against nato countries. please, think about

it. who can be sure of that? are you sure that it will work to the end for us? budapest agreements have not worked for us, the memorandum has not worked for us to achieve peace in ukraine. i will be honest, even today, the budapest agreement is not working to achieve peace in ukraine. yes, we are receiving help from some. members of the alliance. i am very grateful, all the ukrainians are grateful, each and every one of you supporting us, but what about the alliance? what about article five? it is the fundamental question. i want to —— you to know we are thinking about it. i hope with all my heart we are mistaken in our doubts and you indeed will have

a very strong alliance because if we are mistaken, then the world is safe. if we are not mistaken, even by 1%, | safe. if we are not mistaken, even by 1%, i want you to reconsider your attitude, your own evaluation of reality. think about safety in europe and the world. you can give us 1% of all your aeroplanes, 1% of all your tanks, 1%, we cannotjust buy it because such supply depends only on nato and the political decision. the anti aircraft system, anti—naval system, decision. the anti aircraft system, anti—navalsystem, if decision. the anti aircraft system, anti—naval system, if all of that was available to us, that will give us 100% safety, the same as it would

for you. us 100% safety, the same as it would foryou. i us 100% safety, the same as it would for you. i only ask from you,, after one month of war, i plead with you for the sake of our military, after such a war with russia, please never ever tell us that our army is not complying with nato standards. we have demonstrated our latest standards. we have shown how much we can do to contribute to safety in europe and the world and defence against aggression, against everything we value, that new value, however, nato has to demonstrate the alliance can do something to save people, to show that it is the strongest defence alliance in the world. the world is waiting. ukraine is waiting for actual actions, proper safety guarantees. from those whose actions can keep the peace.

0ur needs are on the table. we need peace immediately. we need peace and we are waiting for your reply. thank you for all your help. thank you. the president addressing the nato summit in brussels. he has addressed politicians in britain, america and germany but there he has a big platform, addressing 30 presidents and prime ministers gathered in brussels. to go over some of the main points he was making, we feel we are in the grey zone between russia and the west and we are defending all the values of freedom. it has been a terrible dark month of the destruction of a peaceful state as the world watches. he referred again to his repeated calls for a no—fly zone, he said give our people

protection against russian air strikes and missiles, he said it is not an equalfight. strikes and missiles, he said it is not an equal fight. the russian advantage is using weapons of mass destruction and ukraine needs military support without limit. he said so far we have not received one single aeroplane. you have at least 20,000 tanks, ukraine was asking for 500. he said ukraine would pay for them, get them to us, we will pay for them but we need them. he said ukraine does not want to wage war for years and years, we want to save our children. we are not part of the alliance, this is a question of life and death and he said nato can be worried about what russia might do but i think you understand, russia will not stop with ukraine. think about safety in europe and the world. we have shown how much we can do for safety in europe. nato has to demonstrate a test strongest defence alliance in the world. we need

peace. his address at the nato talks. we will keep you updated on what comes out of them. let's return to ukraine now —because a group of 52 children from an orphanage in ukraine have arrived safely in the uk before heading to their temporary home in scotland. the children, aged between one and 18, and their carers were supposed to leave poland on monday but were held up after paperwork was delayed. vincent mcaviney has their story. as bombs fall across ukraine, this evacuation bus is the result of weeks of work by a team of british charities. on board, 52 children from orphanages in dnipro, unaware of the extent of the danger they're escaping, sing together. after safely crossing into poland with their legal guardians, they've spent days waiting for their paperwork to be approved. finally, last night, the final leg of their escape, a specially chartered virgin plane flew them to britain. seeing them climb up the stairs, it was excitement. the crew were waving ukrainian and british flags at the top

of the steps. they were giving out small unionjack flags to them. the plane was full of toys and of other goodies and sweets and chocolates for them, and it was absolute excitement. i think we need to do this. if today teaches me personally anything, it's that we all need to step up and do our bit. i genuinely feel privileged to be a part of it and to know that as part of british society, we've contributed to this as well. for sally becker, who's helped treat and evacuate children from conflicts around the world, it was an emotionalflight. well, when we touched down, they all clapped. all of them. i mean, i've seen people clap on planes before, but this was different. they could see london below them as we came down and they were telling one another and looking at me and excited. and yeah, it was lovely. the children who range from infants to older teens will now acclimatise

to their new life in scotland in these peaceful surroundings near stirling. they'll then be housed in family—style groups in edinburgh until one day it's hoped they can return home to a peaceful ukraine. vincent mcaviney, bbc news. as the world leaders started to meet one another in the last couple of hours — i spoke to the former secretary general of nato, yaap de hope schef-fer from the hague. basically all these three summits are very necessary or political signalling, for messaging. nato is showing not only it is beefing up its robust military presence at its eastern borders, declaring russia which could be in a position that putin might make a wrong move, nato

is standing firm on us leadership. also what will be discussed i presume and your corresponding refer to that but not publicly, is the situation nato will be end when president putin takes the decision to use atomic, biological or chemical weapons. that redline will not be publicly communicated. that is what president 0bama learnt in syria, that you do not do that. nato will show solidarity and unity. the second important element, that is why i am speaking about summit in plural, is to show today president biden in the eu summit that nato and the eu stand together which is a very important signal to the world and to president putin more specifically. finally, the g7 summit, i see these three summits as giving an important signal how democracies of the world are going

to deal with autocracies. president biden has refer to this many times in the recent past. it is very important messaging and signalling what is going to happen in brussels today. you talked about the red lines on the possible use, you said when chemical or biological weapons are used which makes it sound like you are sure that will happen. lets sa f. if you are sure that will happen. lets say e if they _ you are sure that will happen. lets say f. if they were _ you are sure that will happen. lets say f. if they were used, - you are sure that will happen. lets say f. if they were used, the i you are sure that will happen. lets say f. if they were used, the red l say f. if they were used, the red lines would _ say f. if they were used, the red lines would not _ say f. if they were used, the red lines would not be _ lines would not be communicated publicly. what has been communicated but are the red lines are drawn clearly around the borders of ukraine. that has been criticised by people who say that has given a green light to vladimir putin to do what he wants within ukraine. do you think that was a mistake? i what he wants within ukraine. do you think that was a mistake?— think that was a mistake? i hope these red lines _ think that was a mistake? i hope these red lines are _ think that was a mistake? i hope l these red lines are communicated directly to vladimir putin through

back channels. you are not going to publicly discuss red lines. you don't do that. that's why i refer to president 0bama who had a redline but did not respect his own red lines. they will discuss it, and the use of weapons of mass destruction, this will not be approached by respectful ukraine borders. if it happens, not when that happens, if that happens, then nato will also have to work to cross a certain political line it has drawn for itself as far as you said, it respects the difference between inside ukraine and outside ukraine. natal is so far refusing —— nato is so far refusing what president zelensky is calling for, the no—fly zone over ukraine, an escalation of

the conflict, we have had threats from vladimir putin of referring to the possibility of the use of the nuclear power that russia has. how do you see that? do you think it is right for nato not to get involved because of the fear of where that might lead?— might lead? this form of escalation, the no-fly zone. _ might lead? this form of escalation, the no-fly zone, what _ might lead? this form of escalation, the no-fly zone, what we _ might lead? this form of escalation, the no-fly zone, what we heard i might lead? this form of escalation, l the no-fly zone, what we heard about the no—fly zone, what we heard about a few weeks about about polish fighters, that is a form of escalation nato should not embark upon and as i understood, the consensus within the north atlantic alliance. jens stoltenberg has more than once explained. the bout is weapons of mass destruction. that is climbing the ladder to far. as far as vladimir putin is concerned. but nato will have a strategy and will

need it, what to do in that situation, but nato will not communicate that publicly after a summit or whenever. band communicate that publicly after a summit or whenever.— communicate that publicly after a summit or whenever. and you have directly said — summit or whenever. and you have directly said you — summit or whenever. and you have directly said you want _ summit or whenever. and you have directly said you want nuclear- directly said you want nuclear weapons to be discussed at the summit. are they not been discussed already and what do you think the cons of each —— conversation should be? cons of each -- conversation should be? , ., cons of each -- conversation should be? , . ,. , , ., cons of each -- conversation should be? ,. ,, ., ., be? they are discussed on a permanent _ be? they are discussed on a permanent basis _ be? they are discussed on a permanent basis in - be? they are discussed on a permanent basis in nato, i be? they are discussed on a | permanent basis in nato, but be? they are discussed on a i permanent basis in nato, but we be? they are discussed on a - permanent basis in nato, but we have not seen scenarios initiated by the russian president that more than once he has referred to the possible use of nuclear weapons. that is a different situation. nato is a nuclear alliance, of course, different situation. nato is a nuclearalliance, of course, it should remain a nuclear alliance, but in this very specific place where the russian president thinly veiled makes reference to the use of nuclear weapons or where us intelligence as president biden explained a few days ago, indicates

he might use chemical agents and chemical weapons, that crosses a bridge which nato has never had to cross before and i hope that will be the same in the future. we cannot be certain. definitely the discussion within the north atlantic alliance has a different angle than it has had over decades. the war has been particularly traumatic for the children of ukraine. but some are seeking comfort in an artistic way — as the bbc�*s tim allman reports. how do you explain war to a child? how do they process the horror they are witnessing? for two ukrainian parents one answer was to offer a creative outlet with paper, pencils and crayons. they set up a social media account and let children use art as a way to channel the trauma of war. we definitely feel an urgent need to give them a safety space so that they could switch

their focus, switch their reality from the war, from tanks and bombs and missiles. hundreds of drawings,all from ukrainian children, some showing family and friends, some showing angels, some showing tanks. one girl from 0desa drew a portrait of her mother who is now serving in the army trying to protect her hometown. this picture is really like ukraine, beautiful, very beautiful woman with flowers. very brave. brave, strong. she must protect herself with a weapon. as the war goes on, more paintings drawings and illustrations will surely follow. their message crystal clear, like only a child can convey. tim allman, bbc news.

you are watching bbc news on the day the conflict in ukraine enters its second month. world leaders gather in brussels for a nato summit to discuss future strategy. you are watching bbc news. if you have been enjoying the sunshine, a lot of dry weather with sunshine, a lot of dry weather with sunshine, a lot of dry weather with sunshine, patchy frost and fog over night for the next few days and more cloud across the north of the uk. a weak front is pushing into scotland and northern ireland, bumping into the high pressure that is dominating our weather at the moment. long spells of sunshine across england wales, more cloud in northern england. parts of scotland and northern england will see cloud drifting through with isolated showers. temperatures between 14 to

20 celsius, pleasantly warm, cooler in the north of scotland. high or very high levels of pollution across parts of eastern england because the pollutants are trapped underneath the stagnant air and the high—pressure squeezing down. this evening and overnight, no change, largely clear, temperatures in towns and cities a few degrees above freezing or a little bit below in rural areas. a touch of frost for some of us. mistake patches towards eastern england and western scotland. clears away quickly, long spells of sunshine, breezy in the english channel, another day of light winds, showers in northern ireland and scotland. temperatures 14 to 18 degrees for most of us. towards the weekend, high pressure with us but a change in wind direction. we could import low cloud

around the coasts in the north. it will burn back towards the coast, in land, lots of sunshine on saturday and highs, 14 to 18 celsius. 0n and highs, 14 to 18 celsius. on sunday, the mist could be more extensive in the south and east of england. not quite as warm but temperatures around 12 to 17 degrees on sunday. some sunshine breaking through. next week, goodbye to the mild air, the blue returns to the map as things are going to turn cold as we head through next week. we could see wintry showers over the high ground of scotland. bye.

this is bbc news. the headlines at 11... the diplomatic efforts continue as nato leaders gather for an emergency meeting in brussels as they double the number of troops in countries bordering ukraine. nato's cord task is to protect and defend. brute nato's cord task is to protect and defend. ~ ., nato's cord task is to protect and defend. ~ . . ., , ., defend. we have increased our -resence defend. we have increased our presence in — defend. we have increased our presence in the _ defend. we have increased our presence in the eastern - defend. we have increased our presence in the eastern part i defend. we have increased our presence in the eastern part ofj defend. we have increased our i presence in the eastern part of the alliance. the nato today will address the need for a reset of our returns defence. vladimir putin has already crossed the red line into barbarism, and i think it is now up to nato to consider together the appalling crisis in ukraine, the appalling suffering of the people of ukraine,

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about _ don't know. very few. there will be about 40 _ don't know. very few. there will be about 40 who receive more than 100,000 — about 40 who receive more than 100,000. but most importantly, actually, — 100,000. but most importantly, actually, at the other end of that scale. _ actually, at the other end of that scale, where we have capped the minimum. — scale, where we have capped the minimum, so if somebody started work with us— minimum, so if somebody started work with us in— minimum, so if somebody started work with us in the _ minimum, so if somebody started work with us in the last month or so, actually, — with us in the last month or so, actually we _ with us in the last month or so, actually, we have said that we will pay a _ actually, we have said that we will pay a minimum of £15,000. so we have uncapped _ pay a minimum of £15,000. so we have uncapped the _ pay a minimum of £15,000. so we have uncapped the top, and we have absolutely set as a minimum that we will pay— absolutely set as a minimum that we will pay £15,000. we recognise we did a very— will pay £15,000. we recognise we did a very difficult thing. we recognise money isn't everything. we do want _ recognise money isn't everything. we do want to— recognise money isn't everything. we do want to compensate people. and i am absolutely focused on getting all newy'obs _ am absolutely focused on getting all newjobs. find am absolutely focused on getting all new “obs. �* ~ , , ., new jobs. and mr christensen on the screen from — new jobs. and mr christensen on the screen from dp _ new jobs. and mr christensen on the screen from dp world, _ new jobs. and mr christensen on the screen from dp world, are _ new jobs. and mr christensen on the screen from dp world, are you i new jobs. and mr christensen on the screen from dp world, are you going| screen from dp world, are you going to sack mr hepple fight for gross misconduct? i to sack mr hepple fight for gross misconduct?— to sack mr hepple fight for gross misconduct? c c, �* c, misconduct? i couldn't imagine we will do that _ misconduct? i couldn't imagine we will do that. did — misconduct? i couldn't imagine we will do that. did you _ misconduct? i couldn't imagine we will do that. did you sign - misconduct? i couldn't imagine we will do that. did you sign off- misconduct? i couldn't imagine we will do that. did you sign off on - will do that. did you sign off on these proposals. _

dp world was aware of the situation in p&0 ferries. the situation that p&0 has in terms of roots in terms of making the business viable. and supporting a decision. mr of making the business viable. and supporting a decision.— supporting a decision. mr hepple thwaites has _ supporting a decision. mr hepple thwaites has just _ supporting a decision. mr hepple thwaites hasjust said _ supporting a decision. mr hepple thwaites hasjust said that - supporting a decision. mr hepple thwaites hasjust said that temp | thwaites has just said that temp ferries was a bout to immediately go bust unless you sacked 800 members of your staff. do you agree with that statement? the of your staff. do you agree with that statement?— of your staff. do you agree with that statement? the business, p&0 ferries, that statement? the business, p&0 ferries. has — that statement? the business, p&0 ferries, has definitely _ that statement? the business, p&0 ferries, has definitely lost _ that statement? the business, p&0 ferries, has definitely lost a - that statement? the business, p&0 ferries, has definitely lost a lot - ferries, has definitely lost a lot of money over the last few years. no business can sustain that forever. the business was not viable in that situation, or under those conditions. 50 a number of things have been evaluated, and eventually

this model wasn't chosen as the only route available as an alternative to ending up in liquidation. it’s route available as an alternative to ending up in liquidation.— ending up in liquidation. it's very stranae, ending up in liquidation. it's very strange, because _ ending up in liquidation. it's very strange, because lots _ ending up in liquidation. it's very strange, because lots of - ending up in liquidation. it's very strange, because lots of other i strange, because lots of other businesses in trouble follow legal roots. the last question i have got... roots. the last question i have not. .. ~ roots. the last question i have not... ~ ., ., ., got... mr chairman, with all due resect. got... mr chairman, with all due respect- we _ got... mr chairman, with all due respect. we are _ got... mr chairman, with all due respect. we are not _ got... mr chairman, with all due respect. we are not saying - got... mr chairman, with all due respect. we are not saying that l got... mr chairman, with all due i respect. we are not saying that we have no regrets. also at dp world we acknowledge the pain that this has caused to a lot of people, employees, seafarers, theirfamilies employees, seafarers, their families and employees, seafarers, theirfamilies and so on. i’m employees, seafarers, their families and so on. �* . employees, seafarers, their families and so on. �* , ., , ., and so on. i'm sure the family are crateful and so on. i'm sure the family are grateful for _ and so on. i'm sure the family are grateful for your— and so on. i'm sure the family are grateful for your regrets - and so on. i'm sure the family are grateful for your regrets after - grateful for your regrets after sacking them. i understand that dp world has owes to their pensions fund. when are you going to pay

that? h fund. when are you going to pay that? ., �* ~ ., that? i don't know if the hundred and £46 million _ that? i don't know if the hundred and £46 million is _ that? i don't know if the hundred and £46 million is the _ that? i don't know if the hundred and £46 million is the right - that? i don't know if the hundred . and £46 million is the right number. i understand it is, and i understand £147 million has been spent sponsoring a golf tournament. the liabili for sponsoring a golf tournament. the liability for the pension fund as i understand it is their p80 liability. and we will honour those payments — liability. and we will honour those payments. find liability. and we will honour those -a ments. �* . payments. and if he will be giving ou the payments. and if he will be giving you the money — payments. and if he will be giving you the money to _ payments. and if he will be giving you the money to do _ payments. and if he will be giving you the money to do that - payments. and if he will be giving - you the money to do that presumably seeming as you don't have any? eadie seeming as you don't have any? sadly this was a decision _ seeming as you don't have any? sadly this was a decision we _ seeming as you don't have any? sadly this was a decision we had _ seeming as you don't have any? sadly this was a decision we had to take to make _ this was a decision we had to take to make the company viable and we will honour— to make the company viable and we will honour our own commitments. you talk about this being painful and difficult, — talk about this being painful and difficult, but — talk about this being painful and difficult, but your— talk about this being painful and difficult, but your company- talk about this being painful and difficult, but your company paid | talk about this being painful and . difficult, but your company paid out $376 million— difficult, but your company paid out $376 million to _ difficult, but your company paid out $376 million to in _ difficult, but your company paid out $376 million to in dividends- difficult, but your company paid out $376 million to in dividends to - $376 million to in dividends to shareholders _ $376 million to in dividends to shareholders in _ $376 million to in dividends to shareholders in the _ $376 million to in dividends to shareholders in the last - $376 million to in dividends to shareholders in the last two i $376 million to in dividends to - shareholders in the last two years alone _ shareholders in the last two years alone could— shareholders in the last two years alone. could you _ shareholders in the last two years alone. could you not _ shareholders in the last two years alone. could you not have - shareholders in the last two years alone. could you not have you - shareholders in the last two years . alone. could you not have you some of that _ alone. could you not have you some of that money— alone. could you not have you some

of that money to _ alone. could you not have you some of that money to treat _ alone. could you not have you some of that money to treat the _ alone. could you not have you some| of that money to treat the workforce at p ferries _ of that money to treat the workforce at p ferries with _ of that money to treat the workforce at p ferries with some _ of that money to treat the workforce at p ferries with some dignity. - of that money to treat the workforce at p ferries with some dignity. on i at p ferries with some dignity. on the at p ferries with some dignity. the contrary, we have kept on supporting the business over and over again, supporting the existence of that business for a number of years with hundreds of millions of pounds. years with hundreds of millions of ounds. ., ., ., pounds. 0k, without regard to the welfare of the _ pounds. 0k, without regard to the welfare of the workforce. - pounds. ok, without regard to the welfare of the workforce. mr- pounds. 0k, without regard to the i welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, _ welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did — welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did p _ welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did p and _ welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did p and 0 _ welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did p and 0 have - welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did p and 0 have a - welfare of the workforce. mr hepple thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty. welfare of the workforce. mr hepple| thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty to consult _ thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty to consult the _ thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty to consult the unions _ thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty to consult the unions in _ thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty to consult the unions in good _ thwaites, did p and 0 have a duty to consult the unions in good time - consult the unions in good time under_ consult the unions in good time under the — consult the unions in good time under the trade _ consult the unions in good time under the trade union— consult the unions in good time under the trade union act - consult the unions in good time under the trade union act of- consult the unions in good time . under the trade union act of 1992. it is of— under the trade union act of 1992. it is of absolutely _ under the trade union act of 1992. it is of absolutely no _ under the trade union act of 1992. it is of absolutely no doubt - under the trade union act of 1992. it is of absolutely no doubt that. under the trade union act of 1992.| it is of absolutely no doubt that we were required to consult with unions — were required to consult with unions. we chose not to do that because — unions. we chose not to do that because we believe... you unions. we chose not to do that because we believe... you chose to break the law- _ because we believe... you chose to break the law. we _ because we believe... you chose to break the law. we chose _ because we believe... you chose to break the law. we chose not - because we believe... you chose to break the law. we chose not to - break the law. we chose not to consult and _ break the law. we chose not to consult and we _

break the law. we chose not to consult and we will _ break the law. we chose not to consult and we will and - break the law. we chose not to consult and we will and we - break the law. we chose not to consult and we will and we are| break the law. we chose not to - consult and we will and we are going to compensate everybody in full for that _ to compensate everybody in full for that. ~ , ., , ., to compensate everybody in full for that. ~ i. i. .., to compensate everybody in full for that. ~ ., that. when you get your car and drive on the _ that. when you get your car and drive on the motorway, - that. when you get your car and drive on the motorway, and - that. when you get your car and drive on the motorway, and you| that. when you get your car and - drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile _ drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile an _ drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile an hour— drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile an hour sign— drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile an hour sign do— drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile an hour sign do you _ drive on the motorway, and you see a 70 mile an hour sign do you decide i 70 mile an hour sign do you decide that that _ 70 mile an hour sign do you decide that that doesn't _ 70 mile an hour sign do you decide that that doesn't apply— 70 mile an hour sign do you decide that that doesn't apply to - 70 mile an hour sign do you decide that that doesn't apply to you - 70 mile an hour sign do you decide that that doesn't apply to you and i that that doesn't apply to you and you drive — that that doesn't apply to you and you drive 90? _ that that doesn't apply to you and you drive 90? is _ that that doesn't apply to you and you drive 90? is that— that that doesn't apply to you and you drive 90? is that how- that that doesn't apply to you and you drive 90? is that how you - that that doesn't apply to you and you drive 90? is that how you goi you drive 90? is that how you go about _ you drive 90? is that how you go about your — you drive 90? is that how you go about your life? _ you drive 90? is that how you go about your life? did _ you drive 90? is that how you go about your life? did the - about your life? did the collective agreements — about your life? did the collective agreements between _ about your life? did the collective agreements between p _ about your life? did the collective agreements between p endo - about your life? did the collective agreements between p endo andl about your life? did the collective i agreements between p endo and the unions _ agreements between p endo and the unions provide — agreements between p endo and the unions provide further— agreements between p endo and the unions provide further notes - agreements between p endo and the unions provide further notes go - unions provide further notes go sheet _ unions provide further notes go sheet and — unions provide further notes go sheet and is _ unions provide further notes go sheet and is on _ unions provide further notes go sheet and is on such _ unions provide further notes go sheet and is on such matters?.j unions provide further notes go - sheet and is on such matters?. you had agreements _ sheet and is on such matters?. you had agreements with _ sheet and is on such matters?. you had agreements with rmt- sheet and is on such matters?. you had agreements with rmt and - had agreements with rmt and nautilus _ had agreements with rmt and nautilus why— had agreements with rmt and nautilus. why didn't _ had agreements with rmt and nautilus. why didn't you - had agreements with rmt and nautilus. why didn't you do i had agreements with rmt andj nautilus. why didn't you do it. had agreements with rmt and - nautilus. why didn't you do it. what was the _ nautilus. why didn't you do it. what was the moral— nautilus. why didn't you do it. what was the moraljustification - nautilus. why didn't you do it. what was the moraljustification for - nautilus. why didn't you do it. what was the moraljustification for you . was the moraljustification for you not doing — was the moraljustification for you not doing that? _ was the moraljustification for you not doing that?— not doing that? these are very extreme circumstances. - not doing that? these are very extreme circumstances. in - not doing that? these are very i extreme circumstances. in order not doing that? these are very - extreme circumstances. in order to answer— extreme circumstances. in order to answer the — extreme circumstances. in order to answer the question fully, can i explain — answer the question fully, can i explain the difference between the operational model that we previously had, and _ operational model that we previously had, and the one that we are moving too. had, and the one that we are moving too so— had, and the one that we are moving too so that — had, and the one that we are moving too. so that you understand how fundamental change it is. that helps me explain— fundamental change it is. that helps me explain why we had to take the

route _ me explain why we had to take the route we _ me explain why we had to take the route we had to take.— me explain why we had to take the route we had to take. sorry, as the chair has already _ route we had to take. sorry, as the chair has already pointed _ route we had to take. sorry, as the chair has already pointed out, - route we had to take. sorry, as the | chair has already pointed out, there are n1any— chair has already pointed out, there are many companies _ chair has already pointed out, there are many companies that _ chair has already pointed out, there are many companies that have - are many companies that have difficulties— are many companies that have difficulties and _ are many companies that have difficulties and they _ are many companies that have difficulties and they obey - are many companies that have difficulties and they obey the i are many companies that have . difficulties and they obey the law and consult — difficulties and they obey the law and consult with _ difficulties and they obey the law and consult with their _ difficulties and they obey the law and consult with their membersl and consult with their members through— and consult with their members through their— and consult with their members through their trade _ and consult with their members through their trade unions. - and consult with their members through their trade unions. you| and consult with their members through their trade unions. you have not done through their trade unions. you have rrot done that- _ through their trade unions. you have not done that. we _ through their trade unions. you have not done that. we have _ through their trade unions. you have not done that. we have moved - through their trade unions. you have not done that. we have moved from| not done that. we have moved from one operating model to another. you have not escaped the law of this country — have not escaped the law of this country you _ have not escaped the law of this country. you still— have not escaped the law of this country. you still have - have not escaped the law of this country. you still have to - have not escaped the law of this country. you still have to do - have not escaped the law of this country. you still have to do it i country. you still have to do it within — country. you still have to do it within the _ country. you still have to do it within the legal— country. you still have to do it within the legal framework. i country. you still have to do it i within the legal framework. you cannot— within the legal framework. you cannotjust _ within the legal framework. you cannotjust decide _ within the legal framework. you cannot just decide that - within the legal framework. you cannot just decide that you - within the legal framework. you cannot just decide that you are i cannot just decide that you are going — cannot just decide that you are going to — cannot just decide that you are going to present— cannot just decide that you are going to present yourself- cannot just decide that you are going to present yourself in . cannot just decide that you are | going to present yourself in the legal— going to present yourself in the legal system _ going to present yourself in the legal system of— going to present yourself in the legal system of the _ going to present yourself in the legal system of the united - going to present yourself in the - legal system of the united kingdom. it is our— legal system of the united kingdom. it is our assessment— legal system of the united kingdom. it is our assessment that _ legal system of the united kingdom. it is our assessment that the - legal system of the united kingdom. it is our assessment that the change | it is our assessment that the change was of— it is our assessment that the change was of such— it is our assessment that the change was of such a magnitude that no union— was of such a magnitude that no union could possibly accept our proposat — union could possibly accept our proposal. all union could possibly accept our --roosal. �* ,, union could possibly accept our --roosal. �* y., ., union could possibly accept our --roosal. �* ,, ., ., proposal. all you are right about that. i've never— proposal. all you are right about that. i've never heard _ proposal. all you are right about that. i've never heard such - proposal. all you are right about i that. i've never heard such farcical answers _ that. i've never heard such farcical answers to — that. i've never heard such farcical answers to a — that. i've never heard such farcical answers to a series _ that. i've never heard such farcical answers to a series of— that. i've never heard such farcical answers to a series of question. i that. i've never heard such farcical. answers to a series of question. can i move _ answers to a series of question. can i move on. — answers to a series of question. can i move on. chair? _ answers to a series of question. can i move on, chair? in— answers to a series of question. can i move on, chair? in selecting - answers to a series of question. can i move on, chair? in selecting uk. i move on, chair? in selecting uk employees. — i move on, chair? in selecting uk employees. most— i move on, chair? in selecting uk employees, most of— i move on, chair? in selecting uk employees, most of whom - i move on, chair? in selecting uk employees, most of whom would i move on, chair? in selecting uk. employees, most of whom would be i move on, chair? in selecting uk- employees, most of whom would be uk nationals— employees, most of whom would be uk nationals or _ employees, most of whom would be uk nationals or residents, _ employees, most of whom would be uk nationals or residents, when _ employees, most of whom would be uk nationals or residents, when you - nationals or residents, when you select— nationals or residents, when you select them _ nationals or residents, when you select them for— nationals or residents, when you select them for dismissal, - nationals or residents, when you select them for dismissal, p - nationals or residents, when you | select them for dismissal, p endo has evidently— select them for dismissal, p endo has evidently discriminated - select them for dismissal, p endo. has evidently discriminated against them _ has evidently discriminated against them on _ has evidently discriminated against them on grounds _ has evidently discriminated against

them on grounds of— has evidently discriminated against them on grounds of nationality. - has evidently discriminated against them on grounds of nationality. , i them on grounds of nationality. , what _ them on grounds of nationality. , what was — them on grounds of nationality. , what was the _ them on grounds of nationality. , what was the legal _ them on grounds of nationality. , what was the legaljustification . them on grounds of nationality. ,| what was the legaljustification for doing _ what was the legaljustification for doing this — what was the legaljustification for doing this to _ what was the legal 'ustification for doin: this. ., , . ., , doing this. to be clear, they were not exclusively _ doing this. to be clear, they were not exclusively but _ doing this. to be clear, they were not exclusively but largely - doing this. to be clear, they were not exclusively but largely uk - not exclusively but largely uk nationals. there were international employees. so, nationals. there were international employees— employees. so, what are the new rates of pay _ employees. so, what are the new rates of pay to — employees. so, what are the new rates of pay to be _ employees. so, what are the new rates of pay to be offered - employees. so, what are the new rates of pay to be offered to - employees. so, what are the new rates of pay to be offered to the i rates of pay to be offered to the new cruise? _ rates of pay to be offered to the new cruise? how— rates of pay to be offered to the new cruise? how much - rates of pay to be offered to the new cruise? how much are - rates of pay to be offered to the new cruise? how much are you| new cruise? how much are you paying them? _ new cruise? how much are you paying them? ., ., , ., them? the two models are very different- _ them? the two models are very different. so _ them? the two models are very different. so to _ them? the two models are very different. so to answer- them? the two models are very different. so to answer that - different. so to answer that question— different. so to answer that question is a bit complicated if you will allow— question is a bit complicated if you will allow me the time. the previous model— will allow me the time. the previous model would allow us to have full cruise _ model would allow us to have full cruise for— model would allow us to have full cruise for every ship from dover to calais _ cruise for every ship from dover to calais the — cruise for every ship from dover to calais. the new operating model requires — calais. the new operating model requires us to have two crews and pay peopte — requires us to have two crews and pay people when they work. so, they are assessing slightly different ways — are assessing slightly different ways. the answer to your question is that the _ ways. the answer to your question is that the average jersey seafarer worker — that the average jersey seafarer worker will be paid will receive a

year— worker will be paid will receive a year and — worker will be paid will receive a year and a — worker will be paid will receive a yearand a third worker will be paid will receive a year and a third in compensation. that— year and a third in compensation. that is— year and a third in compensation. that is part — year and a third in compensation. that is part of the answer to question _ that is part of the answer to question. the second part of the question— question. the second part of the question is— question. the second part of the question is what are the hourly rates _ question is what are the hourly rates of— question is what are the hourly rates of pay for the new model. the average _ rates of pay for the new model. the average hourly rate of pay is £5 50. on top _ average hourly rate of pay is £5 50. on top of— average hourly rate of pay is £5 50. on top of that there is a pension contribution. there is food and accommodation. can i make a couple of points, _ accommodation. can i make a couple of points, please? 0n the routes that are — of points, please? 0n the routes that are international routes governed by its standards, we are paying _ governed by its standards, we are paying above minimum wages, and in our domestic route, which i think was referenced earlier, where we are governed _ was referenced earlier, where we are governed by— was referenced earlier, where we are governed by national minimum ways, of course _ governed by national minimum ways, of course we — governed by national minimum ways, of course we will pay national minimum _ of course we will pay national minimum wage. so of course we will pay national minimum wage.— of course we will pay national minimum wage. so the seafarers leavina minimum wage. so the seafarers leaving dover— minimum wage. so the seafarers leaving dover are _ minimum wage. so the seafarers leaving dover are going - minimum wage. so the seafarers leaving dover are going to - minimum wage. so the seafarers leaving dover are going to be - minimum wage. so the seafarers| leaving dover are going to be paid an average — leaving dover are going to be paid an average earner— leaving dover are going to be paid an average earner at _ leaving dover are going to be paid an average earner at the - leaving dover are going to be paid an average earner at the rate - leaving dover are going to be paid an average earner at the rate of. an average earner at the rate of £5 50 per— an average earner at the rate of £5 50 per hour~ — an average earner at the rate of £5 50 per hour. that _ an average earner at the rate of £5 50 per hour. that is _ an average earner at the rate of £5 50 per hour. that is below- an average earner at the rate of £5 50 per hour. that is below the - 50 per hour. that is below the national— 50 per hour. that is below the national minimum _ 50 per hour. that is below the national minimum wage - 50 per hour. that is below the national minimum wage of- 50 per hour. that is below the| national minimum wage of this

country — national minimum wage of this country how— national minimum wage of this country. how do _ national minimum wage of this country. how do you _ national minimum wage of this country. how do you recognise| national minimum wage of this - country. how do you recognise sale that? _ country. how do you recognise sale that? -- _ country. how do you recognise sale that? -- how— country. how do you recognise sale that? -- how do— country. how do you recognise sale that? —— how do you _ country. how do you recognise sale that? —— how do you reconcile - country. how do you recognise salei that? —— how do you reconcile that? this seafaring — that? —— how do you reconcile that? this seafaring model— that? —— how do you reconcile that? this seafaring model is _ that? —— how do you reconcile that? this seafaring model is consistent . this seafaring model is consistent with models throughout the globe and our competitors.— our competitors. could you live on £5 50 an hour? — our competitors. could you live on £5 50 an hour? could _ our competitors. could you live on £5 50 an hour? could you - our competitors. could you live on £5 50 an hour? could you sustain| £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your— £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your lifestyle _ £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your lifestyle and _ £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your lifestyle and £5 _ £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your lifestyle and £5 50 - £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your lifestyle and £5 50 an - £5 50 an hour? could you sustain your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? 1 your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? no, you — your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? no, you couldn't. _ your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? no, you couldn't. why— your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? no, you couldn't. why do - your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? no, you couldn't. why do you - your lifestyle and £5 50 an hour? - no, you couldn't. why do you expect people _ no, you couldn't. why do you expect peopte that — no, you couldn't. why do you expect peopte that have _ no, you couldn't. why do you expect people that have got _ no, you couldn't. why do you expect people that have got such _ no, you couldn't. why do you expect people that have got such a - people that have got such a responsibte _ people that have got such a responsible job _ people that have got such a responsible job is _ people that have got such a responsible job is to - people that have got such a responsible job is to be - people that have got such a | responsible job is to be able people that have got such a i responsible job is to be able to do that? _ responsible job is to be able to do that? how— responsible job is to be able to do that? how do— responsible job is to be able to do that? how do you _ responsible job is to be able to do that? how do you expect - responsible job is to be able to do that? how do you expect them . responsible job is to be able to do that? how do you expect them to| responsible job is to be able to do i that? how do you expect them to be able to— that? how do you expect them to be able to feed — that? how do you expect them to be able to feed their— that? how do you expect them to be able to feed their families _ that? how do you expect them to be able to feed their families and pay. able to feed their families and pay their bills — able to feed their families and pay their bills at — able to feed their families and pay their bills at £5— able to feed their families and pay their bills at £5 50 _ able to feed their families and pay their bills at £5 50 per— able to feed their families and pay their bills at £5 50 per hour. - able to feed their families and pay their bills at £5 50 per hour. 1&- their bills at £5 50 per hour. couple of very important their bills at £5 50 per hour.- couple of very important points harem — couple of very important points here... . . couple of very important points here... . ., ., couple of very important points here... ., , here... once coal gas and one is called electric. _ here... once coal gas and one is called electric. there _ here... once coal gas and one is called electric. there is - here... once coal gas and one is called electric. there is a - here... once coal gas and one is called electric. there is a very i called electric. there is a very important _ called electric. there is a very important points. _ called electric. there is a very important points.— called electric. there is a very important points. they can't pay their bills- _ important points. they can't pay their bills. the _ important points. they can't pay their bills. the seafarers - important points. they can't pay their bills. the seafarers who i important points. they can't pay| their bills. the seafarers who are joining _ their bills. the seafarers who are joining us— their bills. the seafarers who are joining us are international professional seafarers with all the international certification. these are experienced seafarers. canl are experienced seafarers. can i asked mr christensen. _

are experienced seafarers. can i asked mr christensen. on - are experienced seafarers. can i asked mr christensen. on your i asked mr christensen. on your website, — asked mr christensen. on your website, for— asked mr christensen. on your website, for dp— asked mr christensen. on your website, for dp world, - asked mr christensen. on your website, for dp world, you - asked mr christensen. 0n yourj website, for dp world, you say asked mr christensen. on your- website, for dp world, you say that dp world _ website, for dp world, you say that dp world respects _ website, for dp world, you say that dp world respects and _ website, for dp world, you say that dp world respects and supports - website, for dp world, you say that dp world respects and supports the human— dp world respects and supports the human rights— dp world respects and supports the human rights of— dp world respects and supports the human rights of our— dp world respects and supports the human rights of our employees. - dp world respects and supports the| human rights of our employees. and then in— human rights of our employees. and then in relation— human rights of our employees. and then in relation to _ human rights of our employees. and then in relation to collective - then in relation to collective bargaining, _ then in relation to collective bargaining, dp— then in relation to collective bargaining, dp world - then in relation to collective i bargaining, dp world respects then in relation to collective - bargaining, dp world respects the laws and _ bargaining, dp world respects the laws and practices _ bargaining, dp world respects the laws and practices for _ bargaining, dp world respects the laws and practices for each - bargaining, dp world respects the | laws and practices for each country and will_ laws and practices for each country and will not — laws and practices for each country and will not hinder— laws and practices for each country and will not hinder the _ laws and practices for each country. and will not hinder the development and will not hinder the development and means— and will not hinder the development and means for— and will not hinder the development and means for independent - and will not hinder the development and means for independent and - and will not hinder the developmentj and means for independent and free association — and means for independent and free association how— and means for independent and free association. how do _ and means for independent and free association. how do you _ and means for independent and free association. how do you square - and means for independent and free association. how do you square thatj association. how do you square that with the _ association. how do you square that with the experience _ association. how do you square that with the experience of _ association. how do you square that with the experience of your- association. how do you square that. with the experience of your company, p80? _ with the experience of your company, p80? ., , , ., ~ , with the experience of your company, p80? .,, , ., ~ , ., p80? the line was breaking up for the latter part _ p80? the line was breaking up for the latter part of _ p80? the line was breaking up for the latter part of the _ p80? the line was breaking up for the latter part of the question. - p80? the line was breaking up for| the latter part of the question. you will be familiar— the latter part of the question. you will be familiar with your own human rights _ will be familiar with your own human rights statement _ will be familiar with your own human rights statement which _ will be familiar with your own human rights statement which adheres - will be familiar with your own human rights statement which adheres to i rights statement which adheres to the universal— rights statement which adheres to the universal declaration - rights statement which adheres to the universal declaration of- rights statement which adheres to| the universal declaration of human rights, _ the universal declaration of human rights, the — the universal declaration of human rights, the guiding _ the universal declaration of human rights, the guiding principles - the universal declaration of human rights, the guiding principles of. rights, the guiding principles of business — rights, the guiding principles of business and _ rights, the guiding principles of business and human _ rights, the guiding principles of business and human rights, - rights, the guiding principles of| business and human rights, and rights, the guiding principles of- business and human rights, and yet you have _ business and human rights, and yet you have completely— business and human rights, and yet you have completely trashed - business and human rights, and yet you have completely trashed theml business and human rights, and yet. you have completely trashed them in this. you have completely trashed them in this are _ you have completely trashed them in this are you — you have completely trashed them in this are you going _ you have completely trashed them in this. are you going to— you have completely trashed them in this. are you going to take _ you have completely trashed them in this. are you going to take this- this. are you going to take this down _ this. are you going to take this down of— this. are you going to take this down of your— this. are you going to take this down of your website, - this. are you going to take this down of your website, because this. are you going to take this. down of your website, because it this. are you going to take this- down of your website, because it is an insult? — down of your website, because it is an insult? l— down of your website, because it is an insult? ., ., , .,

an insult? i do not believe that it is an insult. _ an insult? i do not believe that it is an insult, and _ an insult? i do not believe that it is an insult, and they _ an insult? i do not believe that it is an insult, and they do - an insult? i do not believe that it is an insult, and they do not - is an insult, and they do not believe that any of what we have done at p80... it believe that any of what we have done at p80. . ._ believe that any of what we have done at p80. .. it is in conflicting with any of _ done at p80. .. it is in conflicting with any of that. _ done at p80. .. it is in conflicting with any of that. of— done at p80. .. it is in conflicting with any of that. of course - done at p80. .. it is in conflicting with any of that. of course it - done at p80. .. it is in conflicting with any of that. of course it is i done at p80. .. it is in conflicting | with any of that. of course it is in direct— with any of that. of course it is in direct conflict. _ with any of that. of course it is in direct conflict. we _ with any of that. of course it is in direct conflict. we hear— with any of that. of course it is in direct conflict. we hear some - direct conflict. we hear some ridiculous— direct conflict. we hear some ridiculous things, _ direct conflict. we hear some ridiculous things, but - direct conflict. we hear some ridiculous things, but for - direct conflict. we hear some ridiculous things, but for you| direct conflict. we hear some i ridiculous things, but for you to say that— ridiculous things, but for you to say that those _ ridiculous things, but for you to say that those principles - ridiculous things, but for you to say that those principles still i say that those principles still obtain — say that those principles still obtain when _ say that those principles still obtain when people - say that those principles still obtain when people have - say that those principles still i obtain when people have been say that those principles still - obtain when people have been so merrily— obtain when people have been so merrily disc — obtain when people have been so merrily disc messed _ obtain when people have been so merrily disc messed with - obtain when people have been so merrily disc messed with no - obtain when people have been so. merrily disc messed with no notice whatsoever— merrily disc messed with no notice whatsoever and _ merrily disc messed with no notice whatsoever and replaced _ merrily disc messed with no notice whatsoever and replaced by- merrily disc messed with no notice | whatsoever and replaced by people merrily disc messed with no notice - whatsoever and replaced by people on £5 50 per— whatsoever and replaced by people on £5 50 per hour— whatsoever and replaced by people on £5 50 per hour is— whatsoever and replaced by people on £5 50 per hour is an _ whatsoever and replaced by people on £5 50 per hour is an outrage. - whatsoever and replaced by people on £5 50 per hour is an outrage. are - £5 50 per hour is an outrage. are you going — £5 50 per hour is an outrage. are you going to— £5 50 per hour is an outrage. are you going to rescind _ £5 50 per hour is an outrage. are you going to rescind those, - you going to rescind those, because the members — you going to rescind those, because the members of— you going to rescind those, because the members of this _ you going to rescind those, because the members of this committee - you going to rescind those, because. the members of this committee think this is— the members of this committee think this is thuggery— the members of this committee think this is thuggery and _ the members of this committee think this is thuggery and criminality. - this is thuggery and criminality. you are — this is thuggery and criminality. you are behaving _ this is thuggery and criminality. you are behaving like _ this is thuggery and criminality. | you are behaving like gangsters this is thuggery and criminality. i you are behaving like gangsters to blackmail — you are behaving like gangsters to blackmail people _ you are behaving like gangsters to blackmail people into _ you are behaving like gangsters to blackmail people into the - you are behaving like gangsters tol blackmail people into the situation. when _ blackmail people into the situation. when you _ blackmail people into the situation. when you withdraw _ blackmail people into the situation. when you withdraw those _ blackmail people into the situation. when you withdraw those nda - blackmail people into the situation. when you withdraw those nda is i blackmail people into the situation. i when you withdraw those nda is and let people _ when you withdraw those nda is and let peopte have — when you withdraw those nda is and let people have the _ when you withdraw those nda is and let people have the freedoms - when you withdraw those nda is and let people have the freedoms that i when you withdraw those nda is and| let people have the freedoms that we all enjoy? _ let people have the freedoms that we all enjoy? the— let people have the freedoms that we all en'o ? _, ., , all enjoy? the confidentiality clause in the _ all enjoy? the confidentiality clause in the severance - all enjoy? the confidentiality - clause in the severance agreements is a standard confidentiality clause to protect — is a standard confidentiality clause to protect both sides. oh,

is a standard confidentiality clause to protect both sides.— is a standard confidentiality clause to protect both sides. oh, god. ok, i'm 'ust to protect both sides. oh, god. ok, i'miust getting _ to protect both sides. oh, god. ok, i'm just getting to _ to protect both sides. oh, god. ok, i'm just getting to the _ to protect both sides. oh, god. ok, i'm just getting to the end - to protect both sides. oh, god. ok, i'm just getting to the end of- i'm just getting to the end of this. let i'm just getting to the end of this. let me _ i'm just getting to the end of this. let me just — i'm just getting to the end of this. let me just ask— i'm just getting to the end of this. let me just ask one _ i'm just getting to the end of this. let me just ask one more. - i'm just getting to the end of this. let me just ask one more. why i i'm just getting to the end of this. i let me just ask one more. why did you employ— let me just ask one more. why did you employ private _ let me just ask one more. why did you employ private security - let me just ask one more. why did you employ private security firm i let me just ask one more. why did you employ private security firm to remove _ you employ private security firm to remove seafarers _ you employ private security firm to remove seafarers from _ you employ private security firm to remove seafarers from your - you employ private security firm to. remove seafarers from your vessel? were _ remove seafarers from your vessel? were you _ remove seafarers from your vessel? were you pleased _ remove seafarers from your vessel? were you pleased with _ remove seafarers from your vessel? were you pleased with what - remove seafarers from your vessel? were you pleased with what you - remove seafarers from your vessel? | were you pleased with what you saw on our _ were you pleased with what you saw on our televisions _ were you pleased with what you saw on our televisions and _ were you pleased with what you saw on our televisions and social - were you pleased with what you saw on our televisions and social media i on our televisions and social media of people _ on our televisions and social media of people in— on our televisions and social media of people in handcuffs _ on our televisions and social media of people in handcuffs matching. on our televisions and social media of people in handcuffs matching of| of people in handcuffs matching of the gang _ of people in handcuffs matching of the gang plaits _ of people in handcuffs matching of the gang plaits blanks— of people in handcuffs matching of the gang plaits blanks from - of people in handcuffs matching of the gang plaits blanks from thesel the gang plaits blanks from these vessels — the gang plaits blanks from these vessels. ~ , , ., ., ., vessels. why did you do that? i don't think— vessels. why did you do that? i don't think you _ vessels. why did you do that? i don't think you have _ vessels. why did you do that? i don't think you have seen - vessels. why did you do that? i i don't think you have seen people with handcuffs. we didn't employ a security— with handcuffs. we didn't employ a security firm of professionals and the reason — security firm of professionals and the reason for that was to keep the people _ the reason for that was to keep the people on— the reason for that was to keep the people on the ship say. the reality is, coming — people on the ship say. the reality is, coming out of this, we did not -et is, coming out of this, we did not get a _ is, coming out of this, we did not get a single — is, coming out of this, we did not get a single incident throughout the day. get a single incident throughout the day we _ get a single incident throughout the day. we kept everybody safe and secure _ day. we kept everybody safe and secure. ., , y secure. people were terrified. they were going — secure. people were terrified. they were going about — secure. people were terrified. they were going about their _ secure. people were terrified. they were going about their work - secure. people were terrified. they were going about their work in - secure. people were terrified. they were going about their work in the | were going about their work in the ordinary— were going about their work in the ordinary way _ were going about their work in the ordinary way. to _ were going about their work in the ordinary way, to see _ were going about their work in the ordinary way, to see people - were going about their work in the | ordinary way, to see people invade their ships —

ordinary way, to see people invade their ships and _ ordinary way, to see people invade their ships and start _ ordinary way, to see people invade their ships and start ordering - ordinary way, to see people invade their ships and start ordering them about— their ships and start ordering them about and — their ships and start ordering them about and tell _ their ships and start ordering them about and tell them _ their ships and start ordering them about and tell them they— their ships and start ordering them about and tell them they had - their ships and start ordering them about and tell them they had to i their ships and start ordering them i about and tell them they had to pack their bags _ about and tell them they had to pack their bags and — about and tell them they had to pack their bags and go _ about and tell them they had to pack their bags and go. is _ about and tell them they had to pack their bags and go. is that _ about and tell them they had to pack their bags and go. is that a - about and tell them they had to pack their bags and go. is that a humanei their bags and go. is that a humane way to— their bags and go. is that a humane way to treat — their bags and go. is that a humane way to treat loyal _ their bags and go. is that a humane way to treat loyal employees - their bags and go. is that a humane way to treat loyal employees who i way to treat loyal employees who have given — way to treat loyal employees who have given you _ way to treat loyal employees who have given you such _ way to treat loyal employees who have given you such incredible . have given you such incredible service? — have given you such incredible service? is _ have given you such incredible service? . ., . service? is that decent? the security team _ service? is that decent? the security team were - service? is that decent? the security team were there i service? is that decent? the security team were there to | service? is that decent? the - security team were there to keep the ships and _ security team were there to keep the ships and most importantly the people — ships and most importantly the people safe at a time which was genuinely— people safe at a time which was genuinely a stressful time for them. it was _ genuinely a stressful time for them. it was our— genuinely a stressful time for them. it was our assessment that that wasm — it was our assessment that that was... ., ., , ,, ., was... you made it stressful. you were the author _ was... you made it stressful. you were the author of _ was... you made it stressful. you were the author of the _ was... you made it stressful. you were the author of the stress. - was... you made it stressful. you i were the author of the stress. there is no doubt — were the author of the stress. there is no doubt that _ were the author of the stress. there is no doubt that when _ were the author of the stress. there is no doubt that when people - were the author of the stress. is no doubt that when people hear they are _ is no doubt that when people hear they are losing theirjobs, it is extremely stressful and we wanted to keep the _ extremely stressful and we wanted to keep the ships and the people say. just come — keep the ships and the people say. just come back on this, can you clarify the committee and the workers, what employment laws have you breached? latte workers, what employment laws have you breached?— workers, what employment laws have you breached? we have not consulted, and for that we — you breached? we have not consulted, and for that we are _ you breached? we have not consulted, and for that we are fully _ and for that we are fully compensating people for that in full, up —

compensating people for that in full, up front. compensating people for that in full. up front-— full, up front. how much is the business _ full, up front. how much is the business going _ full, up front. how much is the business going to _ full, up front. how much is the business going to save - full, up front. how much is the business going to save each i full, up front. how much is the i business going to save each year full, up front. how much is the - business going to save each year by sacking the cruise merrily and playing agency staff? this entirely different model _ playing agency staff? this entirely different model is _ playing agency staff? this entirely different model is about _ playing agency staff? this entirely different model is about half- playing agency staff? this entirely different model is about half the i different model is about half the price _ different model is about half the price of— different model is about half the price of the previous model. about half the price? _ price of the previous model. about half the price? and _ price of the previous model. about half the price? and you _ price of the previous model. about half the price? and you said - price of the previous model. about half the price? and you said that l half the price? and you said that the average wage of the seafarers new model, what's the lowest hourly rate in the new model? £5 new model, what's the lowest hourly rate in the new model?— new model, what's the lowest hourly rate in the new model?- the i rate in the new model? £5 50. the lowest? you _ rate in the new model? £5 50. the lowest? you said _ rate in the new model? £5 50. the lowest? you said that _ rate in the new model? £5 50. the lowest? you said that the - rate in the new model? £5 50. the lowest? you said that the average | lowest? you said that the average was 550. £5 lowest? you said that the average was 550. ' ., ., ., , was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 — was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 to — was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 to £6. _ was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 to £6. |_ was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 to £6. i gave _ was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 to £6. i gave you - was 550. £515. the average ranges from £5 50 to £6. i gave you the i was 550. £515. the average ranges. from £5 50 to £6. i gave you the low end of— from £5 50 to £6. i gave you the low end of that — from £5 50 to £6. i gave you the low end of that. do from £5 50 to £6. i gave you the low end of that-— end of that. do you think that is a fair wage? _ end of that. do you think that is a fair wage? do _ end of that. do you think that is a fair wage? do you _ end of that. do you think that is a fair wage? do you think— end of that. do you think that is a fair wage? do you think under- fair wage? do you think under maritime laws, those wages are fair and... ., .

maritime laws, those wages are fair and... ., , ., ., and... the rates that we are paying are in-line — and... the rates that we are paying are in-line and _ and... the rates that we are paying are in-line and above _ and. .. the rates that we are paying are in-line and above our— and... the rates that we are paying are in-line and above our team - are in—line and above our team standards _ are in—line and above our team standards. it is in the operating model— standards. it is in the operating model that the vast majority of operators across the globe meet. do operators across the globe meet. dy: you operators across the globe meet. you think operators across the globe meet. dir? you think those standards are fairing reasonable? do you think that the world, perhaps in light of your action, are going to have to look at? 1 your action, are going to have to look at? ~ , your action, are going to have to look at? ~' , ., ., ., look at? i think they are negotiated rates of pay — look at? i think they are negotiated rates of pay and — look at? i think they are negotiated rates of pay and therefore - look at? i think they are negotiated rates of pay and therefore those i rates of pay and therefore those have _ rates of pay and therefore those have been successfully negotiated on both parts. i�*m have been successfully negotiated on both arts. �* ., , ., both parts. i'm not sure how successful— both parts. i'm not sure how successful it _ both parts. i'm not sure how successful it was _ both parts. i'm not sure how successful it was to - both parts. i'm not sure how successful it was to be - both parts. i'm not sure how. successful it was to be honest. both parts. i'm not sure how- successful it was to be honest. over the last year, have p80 a dp world brooch with any government official that you might be changing practice at some point. any hint or indication as to what you might be doing or looking at? 1 indication as to what you might be doing or looking at?— indication as to what you might be doing or looking at? i can share my understanding. _ doing or looking at? i can share my understanding, but _ doing or looking at? i can share my understanding, but i _ doing or looking at? i can share my understanding, but i wasn't - doing or looking at? i can share my understanding, but i wasn't at - doing or looking at? i can share my understanding, but i wasn't at the i understanding, but i wasn't at the meeting —

understanding, but i wasn't at the meeting i— understanding, but i wasn't at the meeting. i believe that on the 22nd of november, the secretary of state for transport was visiting dubai, and at _ for transport was visiting dubai, and at that— for transport was visiting dubai, and at that expo he met with some of the dp_ and at that expo he met with some of the dp world executive team and is part of— the dp world executive team and is part of a _ the dp world executive team and is part of a broader ranging discussion which _ part of a broader ranging discussion which included ongoing investment in the british— which included ongoing investment in the british economy, the subject of p80 ferries was brought up and that we needed to make some changes to our business this year. beyond that, i cannot— our business this year. beyond that, i cannot confirm. all i can say is that— i cannot confirm. all i can say is that at— i cannot confirm. all i can say is that at that _ i cannot confirm. all i can say is that at that point in our planning, we had _ that at that point in our planning, we had not — that at that point in our planning, we had not finalised our plans. sol doubt _ we had not finalised our plans. sol doubt any— we had not finalised our plans. sol doubt any conversation went further than that, _ doubt any conversation went further than that, so i don't know. that doubt any conversation went further than that, so i don't know.— than that, so i don't know. that is tuite an than that, so i don't know. that is quite an important _ than that, so i don't know. that is quite an important point - than that, so i don't know. that is quite an important point that - than that, so i don't know. that is quite an important point that you | quite an important point that you have just raised. quite an important point that you havejust raised. could quite an important point that you have just raised. could you look into that and provide the committee with more detail on that meeting because the fact that he would know there was something afoot months in advanceis there was something afoot months in advance is quite an interesting point that the committee would want to note. can i to my attention to mr

kristiansen. has any other dp world company taken such an action? is it standard dp world practice or is this a first?— standard dp world practice or is this a first? the time that i have been occupied _ this a first? the time that i have been occupied with _ this a first? the time that i have been occupied with dp _ this a first? the time that i have been occupied with dp world - this a first? the time that i have been occupied with dp world i l this a first? the time that i have i been occupied with dp world i don't think there — been occupied with dp world i don't think there has _ been occupied with dp world i don't think there has been _ been occupied with dp world i don't think there has been anything - think there has been anything similar— think there has been anything similar to _ think there has been anything similarto this, _ think there has been anything similar to this, but _ think there has been anything similar to this, but we - think there has been anything similar to this, but we have i think there has been anything i similar to this, but we have also not had — similar to this, but we have also not had a — similar to this, but we have also not had a situation _ similar to this, but we have also not had a situation in _ similar to this, but we have also not had a situation in the - similar to this, but we have also i not had a situation in the company or in— not had a situation in the company or in the _ not had a situation in the company or in the businesses _ not had a situation in the company or in the businesses that - not had a situation in the company or in the businesses that are - not had a situation in the companyi or in the businesses that are owned by dp_ or in the businesses that are owned by dp world — or in the businesses that are owned by dp world that _ or in the businesses that are owned by dp world that is _ or in the businesses that are owned by dp world that is similar- or in the businesses that are owned by dp world that is similar to- or in the businesses that are owned by dp world that is similar to the i by dp world that is similar to the one that — by dp world that is similar to the one that p&0 _ by dp world that is similar to the one that p80 ferries _ by dp world that is similar to the one that p80 ferries have - by dp world that is similar to the one that p80 ferries have been i one that p80 ferries have been finding — one that p80 ferries have been finding itsetf— one that p80 ferries have been finding itself in. _ one that p80 ferries have been finding itself in. for— one that p&o ferries have been finding itself in.— finding itself in. for clarity, could you _ finding itself in. for clarity, could you write _ finding itself in. for clarity, could you write to - finding itself in. for clarity, could you write to the - finding itself in. for clarity, - could you write to the committee and confirm that this is the first time that dp world has taken the sort of action? and the impact on dp world, are you concerned what this may mean for dp world moving forward as we understand that you have an agreement in place with the

government has regards to free ports. do you think this will have an impact on that agreement? i am an impact on that agreement? i am responsible — an impact on that agreement? i am responsible for— an impact on that agreement? i am responsible for the _ an impact on that agreement? i am responsible for the maritime activities _ responsible for the maritime activities in _ responsible for the maritime activities in dp— responsible for the maritime activities in dp world. - responsible for the maritime activities in dp world. i- responsible for the maritime l activities in dp world. i cannot speak— activities in dp world. i cannot speak for— activities in dp world. i cannot speak for what _ activities in dp world. i cannot speak for what that _ activities in dp world. i cannot speak for what that means - activities in dp world. i cannot speak for what that means to i activities in dp world. i cannot - speak for what that means to other parts _ speak for what that means to other parts of— speak for what that means to other parts of the — speak for what that means to other parts of the business, _ speak for what that means to other parts of the business, but - speak for what that means to other parts of the business, but i - speak for what that means to other parts of the business, but i can- parts of the business, but i can assure — parts of the business, but i can assure you _ parts of the business, but i can assure you that _ parts of the business, but i can assure you that we _ parts of the business, but i can assure you that we have - parts of the business, but i can assure you that we have done, | parts of the business, but i can- assure you that we have done, both mr hebblethwaite _ assure you that we have done, both mr hebblethwaite and _ assure you that we have done, both mr hebblethwaite and me, - assure you that we have done, both mr hebblethwaite and me, we - assure you that we have done, both mr hebblethwaite and me, we have| mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken _ mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken a _ mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken a lot— mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken a lot of— mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken a lot of consideration - mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken a lot of consideration to - mr hebblethwaite and me, we have taken a lot of consideration to the i taken a lot of consideration to the decision— taken a lot of consideration to the decision that _ taken a lot of consideration to the decision that was _ taken a lot of consideration to the decision that was taken. - taken a lot of consideration to the decision that was taken. the - taken a lot of consideration to the decision that was taken. the p80| decision that was taken. the p80 ferries— decision that was taken. the p80 ferries board _ decision that was taken. the p80 ferries board has _ decision that was taken. the p80 ferries board has been _ decision that was taken. the p80 ferries board has been coming. decision that was taken. the p80 ferries board has been coming to| decision that was taken. the p80 i ferries board has been coming to dp world _ ferries board has been coming to dp world and _ ferries board has been coming to dp world and consulting _ ferries board has been coming to dp world and consulting on _ ferries board has been coming to dp world and consulting on this. - ferries board has been coming to dp world and consulting on this. we . world and consulting on this. we have _ world and consulting on this. we have made — world and consulting on this. we have made everything _ world and consulting on this. we have made everything that - world and consulting on this. we have made everything that we i world and consulting on this. we i have made everything that we could to ensure _ have made everything that we could to ensure that — have made everything that we could to ensure that all— have made everything that we could to ensure that all proper— have made everything that we could to ensure that all proper care - have made everything that we could to ensure that all proper care was i to ensure that all proper care was taken _ to ensure that all proper care was taken we — to ensure that all proper care was taken we have _ to ensure that all proper care was taken. we have done _ to ensure that all proper care was taken. we have done everything i to ensure that all proper care was i taken. we have done everything we can do— taken. we have done everything we can do to _ taken. we have done everything we can do to make— taken. we have done everything we can do to make sure _ taken. we have done everything we can do to make sure that the - taken. we have done everything we| can do to make sure that the people affected _ can do to make sure that the people affected are — can do to make sure that the people affected are being _ can do to make sure that the people affected are being looked _ can do to make sure that the people affected are being looked after. - can do to make sure that the people affected are being looked after. so, | affected are being looked after. so, yes of— affected are being looked after. so, yes of course — affected are being looked after. so, yes of course we _ affected are being looked after. so, yes of course we have _ affected are being looked after. so, yes of course we have taken - affected are being looked after. so, yes of course we have taken into . yes of course we have taken into consideration— yes of course we have taken into consideration that _ yes of course we have taken into consideration that this _ yes of course we have taken into consideration that this decision i consideration that this decision could _ consideration that this decision could have _ consideration that this decision could have some _ consideration that this decision could have some kind - consideration that this decision could have some kind of- consideration that this decision| could have some kind of impact

beyond — could have some kind of impact beyond p&0 _ could have some kind of impact beyond p80 ferries, _ could have some kind of impact beyond p80 ferries, but - could have some kind of impact beyond p80 ferries, but still. could have some kind of impact| beyond p80 ferries, but still we have _ beyond p80 ferries, but still we have given — beyond p80 ferries, but still we have given p&0 _ beyond p80 ferries, but still we have given p80 ferries - beyond p80 ferries, but still we have given p80 ferries supportl beyond p80 ferries, but still we i have given p80 ferries support for that decision — have given p80 ferries support for that decision under the _ that decision under the circumstances. - that decision under the circumstances.- that decision under the circumstances. , ,, ., , circumstances. did you essentially force p80 circumstances. did you essentially force ”to to _ circumstances. did you essentially force p80 to take _ circumstances. did you essentially force p80 to take this _ circumstances. did you essentially force p80 to take this decision - circumstances. did you essentially force p80 to take this decision or| force p80 to take this decision or was it essentially you must save x million? did dp world force p80 to take this decision? pm} million? did dp world force p80 to take this decision?— take this decision? p80 is their business on _ take this decision? p80 is their business on its _ take this decision? p80 is their business on its own _ take this decision? p80 is their business on its own right - take this decision? p80 is their business on its own right and i take this decision? p80 is their i business on its own right and they have _ business on its own right and they have to _ business on its own right and they have to take — business on its own right and they have to take the _ business on its own right and they have to take the decisions - business on its own right and they have to take the decisions that. business on its own right and they. have to take the decisions that they need to— have to take the decisions that they need to take — have to take the decisions that they need to take. dp _ have to take the decisions that they need to take. dp world _ have to take the decisions that they need to take. dp world is _ have to take the decisions that theyi need to take. dp world is interested in obviously — need to take. dp world is interested in obviously focused _ need to take. dp world is interested in obviously focused on _ need to take. dp world is interested in obviously focused on making - need to take. dp world is interested in obviously focused on making sure| in obviously focused on making sure that our— in obviously focused on making sure that our business _ in obviously focused on making sure that our business is— in obviously focused on making sure that our business is viable, - in obviously focused on making sure that our business is viable, whether| that our business is viable, whether they are _ that our business is viable, whether they are in — that our business is viable, whether theyare in the _ that our business is viable, whether they are in the one _ that our business is viable, whether they are in the one corner— that our business is viable, whether they are in the one corner of - that our business is viable, whether they are in the one corner of the - they are in the one corner of the world _ they are in the one corner of the world of— they are in the one corner of the world of the _ they are in the one corner of the world of the other. _ they are in the one corner of the world of the other. but- they are in the one corner of the world of the other. but at - they are in the one corner of the world of the other. but at the i they are in the one corner of the i world of the other. but at the end of the _ world of the other. but at the end of the day, — world of the other. but at the end of the day, the _ world of the other. but at the end of the day, the operational- of the day, the operational decisions _ of the day, the operational decisions in _ of the day, the operational decisions in p80 _ of the day, the operational decisions in p80 ferries. of the day, the operational decisions in p80 ferries isi of the day, the operational- decisions in p80 ferries is down to p80 ferries — decisions in p80 ferries is down to p80 ferries-—

p80 ferries. thank you. mr hebblethwaite, _ p80 ferries. thank you. mr hebblethwaite, did - p80 ferries. thank you. mr hebblethwaite, did you - p80 ferries. thank you. mr - hebblethwaite, did you anticipate such a reaction? flan hebblethwaite, did you anticipate such a reaction?— such a reaction? can i also 'ust confirmed fl such a reaction? can i also 'ust confirmed that i such a reaction? can i also 'ust confirmed that point i such a reaction? can i also 'ust confirmed that point that h such a reaction? can i alsojust confirmed that point that it - such a reaction? can i alsojust| confirmed that point that it was their— confirmed that point that it was their p80 ferries board decision and required _ their p80 ferries board decision and required funding and support to do it, required funding and support to do it. but— required funding and support to do it. but it _ required funding and support to do it, but it was a p80 ferries decision _ it, but it was a p80 ferries decision. it was not. in us or even suggested — decision. it was not. in us or even suggested to us by dp world. sorry, our suggested to us by dp world. sorry, your question _ suggested to us by dp world. sorry, your question was? _ suggested to us by dp world. sorry, your question was? what _ suggested to us by dp world. sorry, your question was? what was - suggested to us by dp world. sorry, your question was? what was my i your question was? what was my question again?— your question was? what was my question again? were you expecting this reaction? _ question again? were you expecting this reaction? thank— question again? were you expecting this reaction? thank you, _ question again? were you expecting this reaction? thank you, mr- this reaction? thank you, mr bradshaw- — this reaction? thank you, mr bradshaw. the _ this reaction? thank you, mr bradshaw. the reaction - this reaction? thank you, mr bradshaw. the reaction has. this reaction? thank you, mr- bradshaw. the reaction has been extremely— bradshaw. the reaction has been extremely strong, there is no question— extremely strong, there is no question to that, and i do regret that end — question to that, and i do regret that end recognise it. i really do recognise — that end recognise it. i really do recognise it, but there was no p80 without _ recognise it, but there was no p80 without the — recognise it, but there was no p80 without the changes that we needed to make _ without the changes that we needed to make. so, we anticipated this would _ to make. so, we anticipated this would be — to make. so, we anticipated this would be very difficult and controversial.— would be very difficult and controversial. �* ., ., . ~ would be very difficult and controversial. �* ., ., ., controversial. before i head back to the chair, controversial. before i head back to the chair. are _ controversial. before i head back to the chair, are you _ controversial. before i head back to the chair, are you not _ controversial. before i head back to the chair, are you not concerned i the chair, are you not concerned that these actions will actually bring about the end of p80 rather

than save it? i bring about the end of p80 rather than save it?— bring about the end of p80 rather than save it? i think we have got a touch 'ob than save it? i think we have got a tough job to _ than save it? i think we have got a tough job to do — than save it? i think we have got a tough job to do to _ than save it? i think we have got a tough job to do to rebuild - than save it? i think we have got a tough job to do to rebuild the - tough job to do to rebuild the business, but i think i p80 with a future _ business, but i think i p80 with a future and — business, but i think i p80 with a future and is able to be competitive pay its _ future and is able to be competitive pay its bills and offer the can she met service that is required has a much _ met service that is required has a much better chance. i�*m met service that is required has a much better chance.— much better chance. i'm afraid i have indications _ much better chance. i'm afraid i have indications for _ much better chance. i'm afraid i have indications for questions i much better chance. i'm afraid ii have indications for questions for literally every member of this room, so i am going to call you well but please keep your questions and answers tight. is it please keep your questions and answers tight.— please keep your questions and answers tight. is it accurate that ou said answers tight. is it accurate that you said that _ answers tight. is it accurate that you said that the _ answers tight. is it accurate that you said that the minister - answers tight. is it accurate that you said that the minister was i you said that the minister was informed _ you said that the minister was informed on _ you said that the minister was informed on the _ you said that the minister was informed on the 27th - you said that the minister was informed on the 27th of - you said that the minister was - informed on the 27th of november? 22nd _ informed on the 27th of november? 22nd which— informed on the 27th of november? 22nd. which minister? _ informed on the 27th of november? 22nd. which minister? the - informed on the 27th of november? i 22nd. which minister? the secretary of state _ 22nd. which minister? the secretary of state for— 22nd. which minister? the secretary of state for transport. if i misspoke i apologise. of state for transport. if i missoke i a-toloise. ~ ., .. .. misspoke i apologise. what a mess. p80 misspoke i apologise. what a mess. p&0 ferries — misspoke i apologise. what a mess. p80 ferries have _ misspoke i apologise. what a mess. p80 ferries have been _ misspoke i apologise. what a mess. p80 ferries have been operating - p80 ferries have been operating since _ p80 ferries have been operating since 1844. _ p80 ferries have been operating since 1844, and _ p80 ferries have been operating since 1844, and then _ p80 ferries have been operating since 1844, and then in - p80 ferries have been operating since 1844, and then in you - since 1844, and then in you meeting your trash— since 1844, and then in you meeting your trash at — since 1844, and then in you meeting your trash at all _ since 1844, and then in you meeting your trash at all. 800 _ since 1844, and then in you meeting your trash at all. 800 people - since 1844, and then in you meeting your trash at all. 800 people now i since 1844, and then in you meeting| your trash at all. 800 people now on the dole. _ your trash at all. 800 people now on the dole. and — your trash at all. 800 people now on the dole, and now— your trash at all. 800 people now on the dole, and now you are _ your trash at all. 800 people now on

the dole, and now you are trying - your trash at all. 800 people now on the dole, and now you are trying to. the dole, and now you are trying to clean _ the dole, and now you are trying to clean this— the dole, and now you are trying to clean this up — the dole, and now you are trying to clean this up having _ the dole, and now you are trying to clean this up having ruined - the dole, and now you are trying to clean this up having ruined the - clean this up having ruined the reputation _ clean this up having ruined the reputation of _ clean this up having ruined the reputation of p80 _ clean this up having ruined the reputation of p80 ferries - clean this up having ruined the reputation of p80 ferries andi reputation of p80 ferries and underlined _ reputation of p80 ferries and underlined everything - reputation of p80 ferries and underlined everything we - reputation of p80 ferries and underlined everything we are| reputation of p80 ferries and - underlined everything we are trying to do— underlined everything we are trying to do in— underlined everything we are trying to do in the — underlined everything we are trying to do in the sector, _ underlined everything we are trying to do in the sector, even _ to do in the sector, even encouraging _ to do in the sector, even encouraging people - to do in the sector, even encouraging people to i to do in the sector, even - encouraging people to come to do in the sector, even _ encouraging people to come forward and be _ encouraging people to come forward and be seafarers. _ encouraging people to come forward and be seafarers. you _ encouraging people to come forward and be seafarers. you are _ encouraging people to come forward and be seafarers. you are saying - and be seafarers. you are saying you've _ and be seafarers. you are saying you've got — and be seafarers. you are saying you've got a _ and be seafarers. you are saying you've got a number— and be seafarers. you are saying you've got a number of- and be seafarers. you are saying you've got a number of regrets. i and be seafarers. you are saying. you've got a number of regrets. i've 'ust you've got a number of regrets. i've just been— you've got a number of regrets. i've just been centre _ you've got a number of regrets. i've just been centre picture _ you've got a number of regrets. i've just been centre picture from - you've got a number of regrets. i've just been centre picture from kent i just been centre picture from kent where _ just been centre picture from kent where the — just been centre picture from kent where the crew— just been centre picture from kent where the crew that _ just been centre picture from kent where the crew that are _ just been centre picture from kent where the crew that are now- just been centre picture from kent where the crew that are now on i just been centre picture from kentl where the crew that are now on the dole, _ where the crew that are now on the dole. all— where the crew that are now on the dole. all of— where the crew that are now on the dole, all of their— where the crew that are now on the dole, all of their bits _ where the crew that are now on the dole, all of their bits and _ where the crew that are now on the dole, all of their bits and pieces - dole, all of their bits and pieces are in_ dole, all of their bits and pieces are in bin — dole, all of their bits and pieces are in bin bags. _ dole, all of their bits and pieces are in bin bags. why— dole, all of their bits and pieces are in bin bags. why don't- dole, all of their bits and pieces are in bin bags. why don't you i dole, all of their bits and pieces - are in bin bags. why don't you make sure that _ are in bin bags. why don't you make sure that the — are in bin bags. why don't you make sure that the people _ are in bin bags. why don't you make sure that the people that _ are in bin bags. why don't you make sure that the people that you - are in bin bags. why don't you make sure that the people that you have l sure that the people that you have fired have — sure that the people that you have fired have some _ sure that the people that you have fired have some dignity— sure that the people that you have fired have some dignity and - sure that the people that you have fired have some dignity and can. sure that the people that you have l fired have some dignity and can get hold of— fired have some dignity and can get hold of the — fired have some dignity and can get hold of the items _ fired have some dignity and can get hold of the items that _ fired have some dignity and can get hold of the items that they - fired have some dignity and can get| hold of the items that they require? i've actually— hold of the items that they require? i've actually taken _ hold of the items that they require? i've actually taken steps _ hold of the items that they require? i've actually taken steps to - hold of the items that they require? i've actually taken steps to see - i've actually taken steps to see what-ifs — i've actually taken steps to see what—ifs happened there. i will find out the _ what—ifs happened there. i will find out the specifics of that photograph, but i have been injured assured _ photograph, but i have been injured assured that the team are taking personal— assured that the team are taking personal responsibility for returning people's belongings to them _ returning people's belongings to them. in — returning people's belongings to them. , ., . ~ returning people's belongings to them. , , returning people's belongings to them. , them. in black bin bags? give them back to the — them. in black bin bags? give them back to the people _ them. in black bin bags? give them back to the people they _ them. in black bin bags? give them back to the people they belong - them. in black bin bags? give them back to the people they belong to l back to the people they belong to and give — back to the people they belong to and give them _ back to the people they belong to and give them some _ back to the people they belong to and give them some dignity. - back to the people they belong to and give them some dignity. 'i'hel back to the people they belong to and give them some dignity. the bags that --eole and give them some dignity. the bags that people would _ and give them some dignity. the bags that people would given _ and give them some dignity. the bags that people would given was - and give them some dignity. the bags that people would given was on - and give them some dignity. the bags that people would given was on the i that people would given was on the day so _ that people would given was on the day so they could have something to carry off _

day so they could have something to carry off the possessions that they could _ carry off the possessions that they could carry. the possessions they are otherwise taking we are taking to them _ are otherwise taking we are taking to them and employing companies to do that _ to them and employing companies to do that. ., . . . do that. you will have heard that the anxiety _ do that. you will have heard that the anxiety we — do that. you will have heard that the anxiety we have. _ do that. you will have heard that the anxiety we have. you've - do that. you will have heard that. the anxiety we have. you've come forward _ the anxiety we have. you've come forward to — the anxiety we have. you've come forward to say— the anxiety we have. you've come forward to say that _ the anxiety we have. you've come forward to say that you _ the anxiety we have. you've come forward to say that you got - the anxiety we have. you've come forward to say that you got a - the anxiety we have. you've come i forward to say that you got a number of regrets _ forward to say that you got a number of regrets we — forward to say that you got a number of regrets. we would _ forward to say that you got a number of regrets. we would hope _ forward to say that you got a number of regrets. we would hope you - forward to say that you got a number of regrets. we would hope you could| of regrets. we would hope you could treat the _ of regrets. we would hope you could treat the new — of regrets. we would hope you could treat the new crew _ of regrets. we would hope you could treat the new crew a _ of regrets. we would hope you could treat the new crew a little _ of regrets. we would hope you could treat the new crew a little bit - treat the new crew a little bit better~ — treat the new crew a little bit better~ this— treat the new crew a little bit better. this does _ treat the new crew a little bit better. this does not- treat the new crew a little bit better. this does not give - treat the new crew a little bit| better. this does not give me treat the new crew a little bit - better. this does not give me any confidence — better. this does not give me any confidence you're _ better. this does not give me any confidence you're going _ better. this does not give me any confidence you're going to - better. this does not give me any confidence you're going to treat l better. this does not give me any. confidence you're going to treat the new crew _ confidence you're going to treat the new crew any— confidence you're going to treat the new crew any better. _ confidence you're going to treat the new crew any better. the _ confidence you're going to treat the new crew any better. the message i new crew any better. the message says the _ new crew any better. the message says the replacement _ new crew any better. the message says the replacement officers - new crew any better. the message says the replacement officers were not informed — says the replacement officers were not informed they— says the replacement officers were not informed they were _ says the replacement officers were not informed they were replacing l not informed they were replacing offices _ not informed they were replacing offices being _ not informed they were replacing offices being made _ not informed they were replacing offices being made redundant. . not informed they were replacing. offices being made redundant. we were told — offices being made redundant. we were told that _ offices being made redundant. we were told that a _ offices being made redundant. we were told that a new— offices being made redundant. we were told that a new company- offices being made redundant. we were told that a new company was being _ were told that a new company was being set — were told that a new company was being set up— were told that a new company was being setup and _ were told that a new company was being set up and it _ were told that a new company was being set up and it could - were told that a new company was being set up and it could possiblyi being set up and it could possibly being set up and it could possibly be from _ being set up and it could possibly be from glasgow. _ being set up and it could possibly be from glasgow. no _ being set up and it could possibly - be from glasgow. no representatives from p80 _ be from glasgow. no representatives from p80 were — be from glasgow. no representatives from p80 were present _ be from glasgow. no representatives from p80 were present when - be from glasgow. no representatives from p80 were present when we - from p80 were present when we boarded — from p80 were present when we boarded the _ from p80 were present when we boarded the ships _ from p80 were present when we boarded the ships and _ from p80 were present when we boarded the ships and we - from p80 were present when we boarded the ships and we have . from p80 were present when we . boarded the ships and we have had from p80 were present when we - boarded the ships and we have had no direction _ boarded the ships and we have had no direction from — boarded the ships and we have had no direction from p80 _ boarded the ships and we have had no direction from p80 as _ boarded the ships and we have had no direction from p80 as the _ boarded the ships and we have had no direction from p80 as the next - boarded the ships and we have had no direction from p80 as the next stepsi direction from p80 as the next steps to take _ direction from p80 as the next steps to take you — direction from p80 as the next steps to take. you must— direction from p80 as the next steps to take. you must understand - direction from p80 as the next steps to take. you must understand the i to take. you must understand the fundamentals— to take. you must understand the fundamentals of— to take. you must understand the fundamentals of managing - to take. you must understand the fundamentals of managing a - to take. you must understand the - fundamentals of managing a passenger ferry service _ fundamentals of managing a passenger ferry service. they _ fundamentals of managing a passenger ferry service. they must _ fundamentals of managing a passenger ferry service. they must have - fundamentals of managing a passenger ferry service. they must have been - ferry service. they must have been told the _ ferry service. they must have been told the brief _

ferry service. they must have been told the brief. this _ ferry service. they must have been told the brief. this gives _ ferry service. they must have been told the brief. this gives me - ferry service. they must have been told the brief. this gives me no - told the brief. this gives me no confidence _ told the brief. this gives me no confidence that— told the brief. this gives me no confidence that the _ told the brief. this gives me no confidence that the crew- told the brief. this gives me no confidence that the crew have i confidence that the crew have confidence _ confidence that the crew have confidence in _ confidence that the crew have confidence in the _ confidence that the crew have confidence in the leadership l confidence that the crew have i confidence in the leadership of confidence that the crew have - confidence in the leadership of your leadership— confidence in the leadership of your leadership or — confidence in the leadership of your leadership or that— confidence in the leadership of your leadership or that the _ confidence in the leadership of your leadership or that the ferries - confidence in the leadership of your leadership or that the ferries are i leadership or that the ferries are competent— leadership or that the ferries are competent to _ leadership or that the ferries are competent to sail. _ leadership or that the ferries are competent to sail. what - leadership or that the ferries are competent to sail. what is - leadership or that the ferries are competent to sail. what is going leadership or that the ferries are - competent to sail. what is going on? it competent to sail. what is going on? it seems _ competent to sail. what is going on? it seems to— competent to sail. what is going on? it seems to get — competent to sail. what is going on? it seems to get worse _ competent to sail. what is going on? it seems to get worse every- competent to sail. what is going on? it seems to get worse every day. - competent to sail. what is going on? it seems to get worse every day. ti. it seems to get worse every day. couple of things. we did employ a professional security firm to come and talk— professional security firm to come and talk to— professional security firm to come and talk to people. we had to talk to them _ and talk to people. we had to talk to them all at the same time. you mentioned — to them all at the same time. you mentioned a zoom call. the nature of this zoo— mentioned a zoom call. the nature of this zoo crew— mentioned a zoom call. the nature of this zoo crew model is that at any one time, — this zoo crew model is that at any one time, half of our seafarers are one time, half of our seafarers are on board, — one time, half of our seafarers are on board, and the other half were at home' _ on board, and the other half were at home, spread throughout europe. so, we wanted _ home, spread throughout europe. so, we wanted to inform everybody at the same _ we wanted to inform everybody at the same time _ we wanted to inform everybody at the same time. people on board, where it all possible. _ same time. people on board, where it all possible, we spoke to them in person _ all possible, we spoke to them in person. people who were not and where _ person. people who were not and where at — person. people who were not and where at home spread throughout europe. _ where at home spread throughout europe, we had no option to invite them _ europe, we had no option to invite them to— europe, we had no option to invite them to a — europe, we had no option to invite them to a teams meeting. there was a live meeting _ them to a teams meeting. there was a live meeting yesterday. it was scripted — live meeting yesterday. it was scripted but was not pre—recorded. i think— scripted but was not pre—recorded. i think that's — scripted but was not pre—recorded. i think that's important. it was followed _ think that's important. it was followed up with one—to—one phone calls and _ followed up with one—to—one phone calls and then followed in writing.

replacement officers, why have they not been _ replacement officers, why have they not been given— replacement officers, why have they not been given one—to—one - replacement officers, why have they. not been given one—to—one meetings. some _ not been given one—to—one meetings. some of— not been given one—to—one meetings. some of our— not been given one—to—one meetings. some of our fleet _ not been given one—to—one meetings. some of our fleet management - not been given one—to—one meetings. some of our fleet management team. some of our fleet management team and our— some of our fleet management team and our ships support services have been _ and our ships support services have been living — and our ships support services have been living on board the ships to help with — been living on board the ships to help with the philip familiarisation and the _ help with the philip familiarisation and the training. i have been on board — and the training. i have been on board i— and the training. i have been on board. i have spoken to the new crew and new _ board. i have spoken to the new crew and new offices. we have had 51 offices _ and new offices. we have had 51 offices ask— and new offices. we have had 51 offices ask for paperwork to join the crew— offices ask for paperwork to join the crew management company and come back and _ the crew management company and come back and help rebuild the business. can i_ back and help rebuild the business. can i ask— back and help rebuild the business. can i ask why you did not come forward — can i ask why you did not come forward to— can i ask why you did not come forward to the _ can i ask why you did not come forward to the department - can i ask why you did not come forward to the department to l can i ask why you did not come . forward to the department to ask can i ask why you did not come - forward to the department to ask for more _ forward to the department to ask for more advice — forward to the department to ask for more advice or— forward to the department to ask for more advice or guidance _ forward to the department to ask for more advice or guidance to - forward to the department to ask for more advice or guidance to get - forward to the department to ask for more advice or guidance to get out l more advice or guidance to get out of the _ more advice or guidance to get out of the situation _ more advice or guidance to get out of the situation you _ more advice or guidance to get out of the situation you felt _ more advice or guidance to get out of the situation you felt you - more advice or guidance to get out of the situation you felt you were l of the situation you felt you were in? ~ . . of the situation you felt you were in? ~ . , , ., . of the situation you felt you were in? ~ . . in? we felt it was important that we were able to — in? we felt it was important that we were able to have _ in? we felt it was important that we were able to have a _ in? we felt it was important that we were able to have a viable _ in? we felt it was important that we were able to have a viable and - were able to have a viable and ongoing — were able to have a viable and ongoing business and to move to a competitive operating model that is recognised throughout the world and that our— recognised throughout the world and that our competitors also use. it was a _

that our competitors also use. it was a very— that our competitors also use. it was a very difficult, very difficult stance _ was a very difficult, very difficult stance we — was a very difficult, very difficult stance we had to take. all of my regrets — stance we had to take. all of my regrets are — stance we had to take. all of my regrets are around the impact it has had on _ regrets are around the impact it has had on the — regrets are around the impact it has had on the individuals but to recognise it is a step we had to take _ recognise it is a step we had to take we — recognise it is a step we had to take. we did not talk to very many people _ take. we did not talk to very many people at— take. we did not talk to very many people at all because of the nature of knowing it was going to be controversial and it needed to be confidential. without that confidentiality, we simply would not have been— confidentiality, we simply would not have been able to implement this incredibly— would you change anything knowing what you know now? that would you change anything knowing what you know now?— what you know now? that is a difficult question, _ what you know now? that is a difficult question, the - what you know now? that is a | difficult question, the business would — difficult question, the business would close, it was not viable, that is the _ would close, it was not viable, that is the only— would close, it was not viable, that is the only way to save it and we have _ is the only way to save it and we have moved to a model that is internationally recognised and widely— internationally recognised and widely used by our competitors across— widely used by our competitors across the globe. i would make this decision— across the globe. i would make this decision again i am afraid. fine

decision again i am afraid. one cuick decision again i am afraid. one quick clarification, _ decision again i am afraid. one quick clarification, you said you had a _ quick clarification, you said you had a discussion— quick clarification, you said you had a discussion with _ quick clarification, you said you had a discussion with the - quick clarification, you said you - had a discussion with the transport secretary— had a discussion with the transport secretarv on — had a discussion with the transport secretary on the _ had a discussion with the transport secretary on the 22nd _ had a discussion with the transport secretary on the 22nd of _ had a discussion with the transport. secretary on the 22nd of november. had a discussion with the transport . secretary on the 22nd of november. i was secretary on the 22nd of november. was not part of that discussion. i believe _ was not part of that discussion. i believe a — was not part of that discussion. i believe a conversation was had in dubai~ _ believe a conversation was had in dubai. ~ , ., . ,, believe a conversation was had in dubai. , ., . ,, ., dubai. with him question mark who was a secretary _ dubai. with him question mark who was a secretary of _ dubai. with him question mark who was a secretary of state _ dubai. with him question mark who was a secretary of state having - dubai. with him question mark who was a secretary of state having a i was a secretary of state having a conversation _ was a secretary of state having a conversation with? _ was a secretary of state having a conversation with? he _ was a secretary of state having a conversation with?— conversation with? he had a conversation _ conversation with? he had a conversation with _ conversation with? he had a conversation with somebody conversation with? he had a i conversation with somebody in conversation with? he had a - conversation with somebody in dubai, who? _ conversation with somebody in dubai, who? istr— conversation with somebody in dubai, who? ~ ~ , . , ., . who? mr mr christiansen who had the conversation — who? mr mr christiansen who had the conversation in _ who? mr mr christiansen who had the conversation in dubai? _ who? mr mr christiansen who had the conversation in dubai? i _ who? mr mr christiansen who had the conversation in dubai? i do _ who? mr mr christiansen who had the conversation in dubai? i do not - conversation in dubai? i do not know. conversation in dubai? i do not know- prism — conversation in dubai? i do not know. prism of _ conversation in dubai? i do not know. prism of what _ conversation in dubai? i do not know. prism of what you - conversation in dubai? i do not know. prism of what you can i conversation in dubai? i do not l know. prism of what you can find conversation in dubai? i do not - know. prism of what you can find out for us and let — know. prism of what you can find out for us and let us _ know. prism of what you can find out for us and let us know. _ know. prism of what you can find out for us and let us know. at _ know. prism of what you can find out for us and let us know. at that - for us and let us know. at that oint for us and let us know. at that point our _ for us and let us know. at that point our plans _ for us and let us know. at that point our plans when - for us and let us know. at that point our plans when you're i point our plans when you're finalised _ point our plans when you're finalised so it is unlikely that

conversation would have had any real substance _ conversation would have had any real substance. you conversation would have had any real substance. ., , ., , , substance. you may recall previously this was ajoint— substance. you may recall previously this was a joint committee _ substance. you may recall previously this was a joint committee with i this was a joint committee with transport, there was an invitation for trams to to come to our committee during the pandemic and there was a change in the chief executive that was not possible. that was arising out of the covid—19 support the company received and the grant as well was around £15 million. it was also because a number of redundancies had been announced affecting a number of ports where p&o was involved. what was different that you are prepared to respect uk law and consult with the recognised trade unions on that occasion and yet were not prepared to do it on this occasion? i{fruits

occasion and yet were not prepared to do it on this occasion?— to do it on this occasion? quite a lot was different _ to do it on this occasion? quite a lot was different but _ to do it on this occasion? quite a lot was different but it _ to do it on this occasion? quite a lot was different but it is - to do it on this occasion? quite a lot was different but it is a i to do it on this occasion? quite a lot was different but it is a good. lot was different but it is a good question — lot was different but it is a good question. during the pandemic, during _ question. during the pandemic, during the — question. during the pandemic, during the height of it we anticipated it would come to an end in the _ anticipated it would come to an end in the early— anticipated it would come to an end in the early part of 2021 and anticipated we would be able to restructure the business with limited — restructure the business with limited redundancies. that was a reasonable conversation and we absolutely consulted with that. the pandemic— absolutely consulted with that. the pandemic has gone on longer and be need to— pandemic has gone on longer and be need to fundamentally address the viability— need to fundamentally address the viability of this business. otherwise it closes and an additional 2000 people was the jobs. -- lose _ additional 2000 people was the jobs. -- lose their— additional 2000 people was the jobs. —— lose theirjobs. we need to change — —— lose theirjobs. we need to change our— —— lose theirjobs. we need to change our operating model and on that basis— change our operating model and on that basis and i know the reaction i -ot that basis and i know the reaction i got but _ that basis and i know the reaction i got but it— that basis and i know the reaction i got but it is— that basis and i know the reaction i got but it is true we assess that given— got but it is true we assess that given the — got but it is true we assess that given the fundamental nature of change — given the fundamental nature of change that no union could accept it. therefore we chose not to consult — it. therefore we chose not to consult because a consultation process — consult because a consultation process would have been a sham and we do _

process would have been a sham and we do not _ process would have been a sham and we do not want to put anybody through — we do not want to put anybody through that and we want and i'll compensating people in full and upfront— compensating people in full and upfront for that decision. do you have a name _ upfront for that decision. do you have a name for— upfront for that decision. do you have a name for this _ upfront for that decision. do you have a name for this new- upfront for that decision. do you i have a name for this new operating model you are applying with the reduced crew? it is model you are applying with the reduced crew?— model you are applying with the reduced crew? it is called multiple thins, reduced crew? it is called multiple things. peeple. — reduced crew? it is called multiple things, people, agency _ reduced crew? it is called multiple things, people, agency crew, i- reduced crew? it is called multiple. things, people, agency crew, itook about— things, people, agency crew, itook about a _ things, people, agency crew, itook about a crew— things, people, agency crew, itook about a crew management company. | about a crew management company. i have about a crew management company. have had it about a crew management company. i have had it referred to as a skeleton crew model. i have had it referred to as a skeleton crew model. i think it is dangerous _ skeleton crew model. i think it is dangerous that _ skeleton crew model. i think it is dangerous that i _ skeleton crew model. i think it is dangerous that i let _ skeleton crew model. i think it is dangerous that i let that - skeleton crew model. i think it is dangerous that i let that lie. i skeleton crew model. i think it is l dangerous that i let that lie. these are very— dangerous that i let that lie. these are very experienced, fully certified _ are very experienced, fully certified professional international seafarers— certified professional international seafarers was. i certified professional international seafarers was.— certified professional international| seafarers was._ i seafarers was. i have to move on. i find it bizarre _ seafarers was. i have to move on. i find it bizarre that _ seafarers was. i have to move on. i find it bizarre that as _ seafarers was. i have to move on. i find it bizarre that as a _ seafarers was. i have to move on. i find it bizarre that as a business i find it bizarre that as a business you have chosen to break the law of

business decision, it is compensable to me. p&o and now a laughing stock, i do not know if you will find it as a general rights in a moment, seems contemptible by any right minded people, i do not understand why you think the government on anyone else want to engage with p&o or dp world with any faith or trust that you will do anything you see you will in future. with hindsight do you really think this is a sustainable way, do you think this is a viable way to run a business question mark we were not viable before and we are free had not made radical changes the business would have closed and i know i keep repeating it but genuinely that would not have been 800 redundancies, with substantial sevens packages it would have been 3000 people losing theirjobs and

the impact on that throughout multiple nationalities. you the impact on that throughout multiple nationalities. you made the comment that _ multiple nationalities. you made the comment that it _ multiple nationalities. you made the comment that it was _ multiple nationalities. you made the comment that it was your _ multiple nationalities. you made the comment that it was your part i multiple nationalities. you made the comment that it was your part of i multiple nationalities. you made the comment that it was your part of the business _ comment that it was your part of the business that was involved in this and i_ business that was involved in this and i got — business that was involved in this and i got the impression the product dp world _ and i got the impression the product dp world assessment was not fully considered and to this, you talk about— considered and to this, you talk about not— considered and to this, you talk about not being associated to the teams _ about not being associated to the teams involved in the three ports, do you _ teams involved in the three ports, do you regret that? it seems you have _ do you regret that? it seems you have exposed your entire business to contempt. _ have exposed your entire business to contempt, notjust the risk have exposed your entire business to contempt, not just the risk of p80? do you _ contempt, not just the risk of p80? do you have — contempt, not just the risk of p80? do you have any regret of that even from _ do you have any regret of that even from a _ do you have any regret of that even from a pure — do you have any regret of that even from a pure business strategy point of view _ from a pure business strategy point of view. let— from a pure business strategy point of view. ., . . . , , , of view. let me once again stress that this decision _ of view. let me once again stress that this decision was _ of view. let me once again stress that this decision was also - of view. let me once again stress that this decision was also not i of view. let me once again stress that this decision was also not an | that this decision was also not an easy— that this decision was also not an easy one — that this decision was also not an easy one for— that this decision was also not an easy one for us _ that this decision was also not an easy one for us to _ that this decision was also not an easy one for us to sign _ that this decision was also not an easy one for us to sign off - that this decision was also not an easy one for us to sign off and i easy one for us to sign off and support— easy one for us to sign off and support in—

easy one for us to sign off and support in terms _ easy one for us to sign off and support in terms of— easy one for us to sign off and support in terms of p80 - easy one for us to sign off and . support in terms of p80 ferries, easy one for us to sign off and i support in terms of p80 ferries, i think— support in terms of p80 ferries, i think the — support in terms of p80 ferries, i think the commitment _ support in terms of p80 ferries, i think the commitment of- support in terms of p80 ferries, i think the commitment of dp i support in terms of p80 ferries, i . think the commitment of dp world support in terms of p80 ferries, i i think the commitment of dp world to the uk _ think the commitment of dp world to the uk economy— think the commitment of dp world to the uk economy of— think the commitment of dp world to the uk economy of billions _ think the commitment of dp world to the uk economy of billions of- think the commitment of dp world to the uk economy of billions of pounds| the uk economy of billions of pounds of investment — the uk economy of billions of pounds of investment and _ the uk economy of billions of pounds of investment and terminals - the uk economy of billions of pounds of investment and terminals and i the uk economy of billions of pounds of investment and terminals and free zones, _ of investment and terminals and free zones, that— of investment and terminals and free zones, that commitment— of investment and terminals and free zones, that commitment is— of investment and terminals and free zones, that commitment is second i of investment and terminals and free j zones, that commitment is second to none _ zones, that commitment is second to none we _ zones, that commitment is second to none we have — zones, that commitment is second to none we have not _ zones, that commitment is second to none. we have not invested - zones, that commitment is second to none. we have not invested more i none. we have not invested more funds— none. we have not invested more funds in— none. we have not invested more funds in a — none. we have not invested more funds in a bit— none. we have not invested more funds in a bit else _ none. we have not invested more funds in a bit else outside - none. we have not invested more funds in a bit else outside dubai i funds in a bit else outside dubai than _ funds in a bit else outside dubai than the — funds in a bit else outside dubai than the uk _ funds in a bit else outside dubai than the uk. the _ funds in a bit else outside dubai than the uk. the commitment. funds in a bit else outside dubai. than the uk. the commitment to funds in a bit else outside dubai - than the uk. the commitment to p80 and back— than the uk. the commitment to p80 and back to _ than the uk. the commitment to p80 and back to the — than the uk. the commitment to p80 and back to the 1800s, _ than the uk. the commitment to p80 and back to the 1800s, the _ and back to the 1800s, the commitment _ and back to the 1800s, the commitment is _ and back to the 1800s, the commitment is also - and back to the 1800s, the commitment is also a i and back to the 1800s, the commitment is also a part| and back to the 1800s, the i commitment is also a part of us being _ commitment is also a part of us being very— commitment is also a part of us being very observant _ commitment is also a part of us being very observant to - commitment is also a part of us being very observant to end i commitment is also a part of us| being very observant to end this case _ being very observant to end this case we — being very observant to end this case we have _ being very observant to end this case we have done _ being very observant to end this case we have done everything i being very observant to end this. case we have done everything we could _ case we have done everything we could to — case we have done everything we could to make _ case we have done everything we could to make sure _ case we have done everything we could to make sure people - case we have done everything we could to make sure people were. could to make sure people were taking _ could to make sure people were taking care _ could to make sure people were taking care of _ could to make sure people were taking care of. it— could to make sure people were taking care of. it was— could to make sure people were taking care of. it was also - could to make sure people were taking care of. it was also noted earlier— taking care of. it was also noted earlier that _ taking care of. it was also noted earlier that the _

taking care of. it was also noted earlier that the packages - taking care of. it was also noted| earlier that the packages offered taking care of. it was also noted i earlier that the packages offered to the affected — earlier that the packages offered to the affected employees _ earlier that the packages offered to the affected employees are - earlier that the packages offered to the affected employees are funded| the affected employees are funded out of— the affected employees are funded out of dp— the affected employees are funded out of dp world _ the affected employees are funded out of dp world and _ the affected employees are funded out of dp world and therefore i the affected employees are funded out of dp world and therefore that| out of dp world and therefore that has been _ out of dp world and therefore that has been very— out of dp world and therefore that has been very important _ out of dp world and therefore that has been very important to - out of dp world and therefore that has been very important to us i out of dp world and therefore that has been very important to us to i has been very important to us to make _ has been very important to us to make sure — has been very important to us to make sure we _ has been very important to us to make sure we did _ has been very important to us to make sure we did everything i has been very important to us to make sure we did everything we| make sure we did everything we could~ _ make sure we did everything we could~ to— make sure we did everything we could. to support _ make sure we did everything we could. to support people - make sure we did everything we i could. to support people affected. that is _ could. to support people affected. that is also — could. to support people affected. that is also a — could. to support people affected. that is also a commitment - could. to support people affected. that is also a commitment we - could. to support people affected. that is also a commitment we do i could. to support people affected. i that is also a commitment we do to make _ that is also a commitment we do to make sure — that is also a commitment we do to make sure that— that is also a commitment we do to make sure that it _ that is also a commitment we do to make sure that it does _ that is also a commitment we do to make sure that it does not - that is also a commitment we do to make sure that it does not make . that is also a commitment we do to| make sure that it does not make the decision— make sure that it does not make the decision any— make sure that it does not make the decision any easier— make sure that it does not make the decision any easier but _ make sure that it does not make the decision any easier but at _ make sure that it does not make the decision any easier but at least - make sure that it does not make the decision any easier but at least we . decision any easier but at least we have _ decision any easier but at least we have taken— decision any easier but at least we have taken it — decision any easier but at least we have taken it very— decision any easier but at least we have taken it very seriously - decision any easier but at least we have taken it very seriously to - decision any easier but at least we have taken it very seriously to tryi have taken it very seriously to try to make — have taken it very seriously to try to make the _ have taken it very seriously to try to make the impact _ have taken it very seriously to try to make the impact as— have taken it very seriously to try to make the impact as bearable. i to make the impact as bearable. really, _ to make the impact as bearable. really, i— to make the impact as bearable. really, ithink— to make the impact as bearable. really, i think it— to make the impact as bearable. really, i think it is— to make the impact as bearable. really, i think it is bizarre that. really, i think it is bizarre that you think the right way to do it is to buy your way out of the following uk law and that is something that welcome back and bite you. you said in this session _ welcome back and bite you. you said in this session what _ welcome back and bite you. you said in this session what you _ welcome back and bite you. you said in this session what you have - welcome back and bite you. you said in this session what you have done i in this session what you have done to 800 working people including people in my constituency was

necessary to save p&0. it stinks. you might have avoided financial bankruptcy but in the minds of many customers you are morally bankrupt. what have you done to the brand? lilo what have you done to the brand? no question the brand has taken a hit. i do question the brand has taken a hit. i do not _ question the brand has taken a hit. i do not deny that and we did something that was incredibly difficult — something that was incredibly difficult and we knew was going to be controversial but we now have a business _ be controversial but we now have a business that we can rebuild and grow _ business that we can rebuild and grow. competitive, modern business. i am grow. competitive, modern business. lam very— grow. competitive, modern business. i am very sorry to those 800 people and their— i am very sorry to those 800 people and their families. otherwise the whole _ and their families. otherwise the whole business would have closed and he would _ whole business would have closed and he would have lost a british icon and 3000 — he would have lost a british icon and 3000 job losses. the he would have lost a british icon and 3000 job losses.— he would have lost a british icon and 3000 job losses. and 3000 'ob losses. the icon is now mired and and 3000 job losses. the icon is now mired and this _ and 3000 job losses. the icon is now mired and this disgraceful— mired and this disgraceful behaviour. how will you recover your brand? it is not a british icon any

more, not something we are proud of. we have a future now, we do not have to close _ we have a future now, we do not have to close the _ we have a future now, we do not have to close the business. do we have a future now, we do not have to close the business.— to close the business. do you think customers want _ to close the business. do you think customers want to _ to close the business. do you think customers want to buy tickets - to close the business. do you think| customers want to buy tickets from you knowing what you have done? i you knowing what you have done? i do, i know it will take a while, at a do _ do, i know it will take a while, at a do thihk— do, i know it will take a while, at a do think that is a hit to the business _ a do think that is a hit to the business and i amicably sorry. but we do _ business and i amicably sorry. but we do have — business and i amicably sorry. but we do have a future, a business that is no _ we do have a future, a business that is no competitive and can meet the cusiomer— is no competitive and can meet the customer needs and can pay its bills _ customer needs and can pay its bills. �* customer needs and can pay its bills. ~ , ., . ., customer needs and can pay its bills. ~ . ., bills. are you hearing from booking s stems bills. are you hearing from booking systems that _ bills. are you hearing from booking systems that people _ bills. are you hearing from booking systems that people are _ bills. are you hearing from booking systems that people are cancelling| systems that people are cancelling tickets, cancelling trips question mark to what extent? yes tickets, cancelling trips question mark to what extent?— tickets, cancelling trips question mark to what extent? yes but we are not on sale- — mark to what extent? yes but we are not on sale. future _ mark to what extent? yes but we are not on sale. future tickets _ mark to what extent? yes but we are not on sale. future tickets that - mark to what extent? yes but we are not on sale. future tickets that add l not on sale. future tickets that add or edit been _ not on sale. future tickets that add or edit been bought, _ not on sale. future tickets that add or edit been bought, have - not on sale. future tickets that add or edit been bought, have they - or edit been bought, have they cancelled?—

or edit been bought, have they cancelled? , . . , cancelled? some people certainly have and the _ cancelled? some people certainly have and the deduction _ cancelled? some people certainly have and the deduction on - cancelled? some people certainly l have and the deduction on bookings is different on different routes because — is different on different routes because people by any different pattern — because people by any different pattern on different routes. on dover — pattern on different routes. on dover to — pattern on different routes. on dover to calais we have taken a particularly large decline because those _ particularly large decline because those bookings tend to be made to weeks _ those bookings tend to be made to weeks ahead. something like hull we have maintained strong levels of booking — have maintained strong levels of booking as we have scotland to northern — booking as we have scotland to northern ireland.— booking as we have scotland to northern ireland. three very short questions- — northern ireland. three very short questions- you — northern ireland. three very short questions. you basically— northern ireland. three very short questions. you basically sacked i questions. you basically sacked employees and outsourced employment to agency staff, that is a connect assumption. approximately one third of your workforce. that is to uk citizens, can you tell us what you have not done that to french and dutch citizens? the

have not done that to french and dutch citizens?— have not done that to french and dutch citizens? the vast ma'ority of our dutch citizens? the vast ma'ority of crewing — dutch citizens? the vast ma'ority of our crewing model * dutch citizens? the vast ma'ority of our crewing model was _ dutch citizens? the vast majority of our crewing model was employed . our crewing model was employed through— our crewing model was employed throuthersey, it might be double figures _ throuthersey, it might be double figures of— throuthersey, it might be double figures of french employees and we had very few are members of dutch employees— had very few are members of dutch employees so this about... had very few are members of dutch employees so this about. . .- had very few are members of dutch employees so this about... easier to sack them here. _ employees so this about... easier to sack them here. where _ employees so this about... easier to sack them here. where is _ employees so this about... easier to sack them here. where is your - sack them here. where is your office—based? fin sack them here. where is your office-based?— sack them here. where is your office-based? ,., . m office-based? on dover and hull. can ou telstra office-based? on dover and hull. can you telstra your _ office-based? on dover and hull. can you telstra your ships _ office-based? on dover and hull. can you telstra your ships a _ office-based? on dover and hull. can you telstra your ships a flight - office-based? on dover and hull. can you telstra your ships a flight in - you telstra your ships a flight in cyprus and the caribbean? there was a chance cyprus and the caribbean? there was a change made _ cyprus and the caribbean? there was a change made and _ cyprus and the caribbean? there was a change made and i _ cyprus and the caribbean? there was a change made and i believe - cyprus and the caribbean? there was a change made and i believe the - cyprus and the caribbean? there was l a change made and i believe the move to cybrus_ a change made and i believe the move to cyprus was to do with maintaining our commitment to the tax we have. i our commitment to the tax we have. i am our commitment to the tax we have. am assuming our commitment to the tax we have. i am assuming you risk assess to this enormous change and business and i assume you had a safety risk assessment. could you tell us the result of that and whether or not

you actually shared it with the maritime and coastguard agency? {line maritime and coastguard agency? one ofthe maritime and coastguard agency? one of the reasons for engaging this security— of the reasons for engaging this security firm was to keep everybody and our _ security firm was to keep everybody and our ships safe and i thicket is important — and our ships safe and i thicket is important that before the rumours out there — important that before the rumours out there the reality and facts are we did _ out there the reality and facts are we did not— out there the reality and facts are we did not have single incident. | we did not have single incident. i am we did not have single incident. am talking we did not have single incident. i am talking about your license to operate, this is what it is about. have you assessed the anonymous change and have the mca saint of the risk assessment? i cannot understand how you can continue to operate ships safely and a way where you completely remove your workforce and the mca have not signed it off and i am sorry i do not ask the earlier witnesses that question but i do not think that has been signed off. taste think that has been signed off. we engaged with the mca before the 17th of march _ engaged with the mca before the 17th of march,. the engaged with the mca before the 17th of march,. ,, ,, ,, engaged with the mca before the 17th of march,. . ,, ,,

of march,. the assessment as the ruestion. of march,. the assessment as the question- i _ of march,. the assessment as the question- i do _ of march,. the assessment as the question. i do not _ of march,. the assessment as the question. i do not know— of march,. the assessment as the question. i do not know the - of march,. the assessment as the l question. i do not know the answer to that. i question. i do not know the answer to that- i am _ question. i do not know the answer to that. i am just _ question. i do not know the answer to that. i am just about _ question. i do not know the answer to that. i am just about to - question. i do not know the answer to that. i am just about to finish, i to that. i am 'ust about to finish, i apologise — to that. i am just about to finish, l apologise but — to that. i am just about to finish, i apologise but do _ to that. i am just about to finish, i apologise but do you _ to that. i am just about to finish, i apologise but do you mean - to that. i am just about to finish, i apologise but do you mean to i to that. i am just about to finish, i i apologise but do you mean to tell this committee that the chief executive of p&o has not signed off the safety this assessment for massive change in your business, i and sing that? am i right in saying that? i and sing that? am i right in saying that? ., , that? i have seen it, iwill get that? i have seen it, iwill get that back _ that? i have seen it, iwill get that back to _ that? i have seen it, iwill get that back to you. _ that? i have seen it, iwill get that back to you. i _ that? i have seen it, iwill get that back to you. i hope - that? i have seen it, iwill get that back to you. i hope the i that? i have seen it, i will get. that back to you. i hope the mca that? i have seen it, i will get- that back to you. i hope the mca are listenin: that back to you. i hope the mca are listening to — that back to you. i hope the mca are listening to this, _ that back to you. i hope the mca are listening to this, this _ that back to you. i hope the mca are listening to this, this is _ listening to this, this is outrageous will stop i cannot believe you have maintained your position that you have signed off a change and not seen a safety assessment.— change and not seen a safety assessment. , , ., assessment. this is done under uk employment _ assessment. this is done under uk employment law. _ assessment. this is done under uk employment law, could _ assessment. this is done under uk employment law, could you - assessment. this is done under uk employment law, could you do - assessment. this is done under uk employment law, could you do it i employment law, could you do it under french law or more of the netherlands? the state of mass

sacking. i netherlands? the state of mass sackinu. ,, netherlands? the state of mass sackinu. . ., , ., . netherlands? the state of mass sackin.. . ., , ., . sacking. i have not explored that so i don't sacking. i have not explored that so i don't know — sacking. i have not explored that so i don't know the _ sacking. i have not explored that so i don't know the answer _ sacking. i have not explored that so i don't know the answer to - sacking. i have not explored that so i don't know the answer to that. - sacking. i have not explored that so i don't know the answer to that. at | i don't know the answer to that. at no i don't know the answer to that. no point have i don't know the answer to that. git no point have you taken advantage of more likes uk laws? the no point have you taken advantage of more likes uk laws?— more likes uk laws? the intention was to move _ more likes uk laws? the intention was to move from _ more likes uk laws? the intention was to move from one _ more likes uk laws? the intention was to move from one operating i more likes uk laws? the intention - was to move from one operating model to another— was to move from one operating model to another as _ was to move from one operating model to another as i hope i refer to. you have dutch — to another as i hope i refer to. you have dutch and _ to another as i hope i refer to. gm. have dutch and french based staff that have not been treated in the same way. that have not been treated in the same way-— that have not been treated in the samewa. ., . �* .,, . . same way. correct. but to be clear the are same way. correct. but to be clear they are a — same way. correct. but to be clear they are a very _ same way. correct. but to be clear they are a very small _ same way. correct. but to be clear they are a very small proportion i same way. correct. but to be clear they are a very small proportion ofi they are a very small proportion of our overall— they are a very small proportion of our overall crew model. why haven't our overall crew model. why haven't you treated — our overall crew model. why haven't you treated them _ our overall crew model. why haven't you treated them in _ our overall crew model. why haven't you treated them in the _ our overall crew model. why haven't you treated them in the same - our overall crew model. why haven't you treated them in the same way? | you treated them in the same way? this was about addressing an uncompetitive and unsustainable crew niodel_ uncompetitive and unsustainable crew model that _ uncompetitive and unsustainable crew model that we have formerjersey -based _ model that we have formerjersey —based crucialwe

model that we have formerjersey -based crucia— model that we have formerjersey -based crucial we are looking for a remedy here _ -based crucial we are looking for a remedy here and _ -based crucial we are looking for a remedy here and the _ -based crucial we are looking for a remedy here and the option - -based crucial we are looking for a remedy here and the option you i -based crucial we are looking for a i remedy here and the option you have gone for must be hugely expensive, the recruitment costs, specialist security firm, suspending operations so that is no revenue, the cost of redundancy of the loyal workforce, are that any circumstances, perhaps the threat of an unlimited fine that would cause p&o to think again and reinstate the workforce. the business _ reinstate the workforce. the business was _ reinstate the workforce. the business was unviable and unsustainable and would have had to close had _ unsustainable and would have had to close had we not made this incredibly difficult decision and i am genuinely deeply sorry to those people _ am genuinely deeply sorry to those people affected and their families. the answer is no? the people affected and their families. the answer is no?— the answer is no? the answer is if ou went the answer is no? the answer is if you went back— the answer is no? the answer is if you went back to _ the answer is no? the answer is if you went back to the _ the answer is no? the answer is if you went back to the previous i the answer is no? the answer is if i you went back to the previous model we would _ you went back to the previous model we would have had to close the business — we would have had to close the business. alt we would have had to close the business. �* , ., business. at the beginning of the anel i business. at the beginning of the panel i asked _ business. at the beginning of the panel i asked whether _ business. at the beginning of the panel i asked whether you i business. at the beginning of the panel i asked whether you did i business. at the beginning of the | panel i asked whether you did not know what you were doing on whether

you broke the law, you said you will thoroughly block the law, you chose not to consult even though you should have done but decided to pay people offered compensation in order to break the law, does that not give you concerned that that you are in breach of your legal obligation as a company director? i breach of your legal obligation as a company director?— breach of your legal obligation as a company director? i completely my hands u - , company director? i completely my hands op, our— company director? i completely my hands up, our hands _ company director? i completely my hands up, our hands up _ company director? i completely my hands up, our hands up that - company director? i completely my hands up, our hands up that we i company director? i completely my hands up, our hands up that we did choose _ hands up, our hands up that we did choose not— hands up, our hands up that we did choose not to consult. you hands up, our hands up that we did choose not to consult.— choose not to consult. you are cominu choose not to consult. you are coming to _ choose not to consult. you are coming to this _ choose not to consult. you are coming to this parliament i choose not to consult. you are i coming to this parliament saying you wilfully chose to break the law. he did not believe there was any other way to— did not believe there was any other way to do— did not believe there was any other way to do this. | did not believe there was any other way to do this-— way to do this. i am afraid we have run out of — way to do this. i am afraid we have run out of time _ way to do this. i am afraid we have run out of time but _ way to do this. i am afraid we have run out of time but mr— way to do this. i am afraid we have i run out of time but mr hebblethwaite and mr christiansen, thank you for your time. we will change the chair to stop the ministerial session sol am told i need to suspend the session for one minute. dan jones

endin: session for one minute. dan jones ending that _ session for one minute. dan jones ending that 45 _ session for one minute. dan jones ending that 45 minute _ session for one minute. dan jones ending that 45 minute session i session for one minute. dan jones i ending that 45 minute session during which mps gave a hard time to the current ceo of p&o, he was questioned extensively on the reasons why the company decided to take the course it dead and at one point he was asked about the fact the company illegally did not consult unions before sacking a hundreds after which she answered there is no doubt we were required to consult with unions and chose not to consult with unions and chose not to that because we believe and compensate everybody and fill. the ceo and dp world maritime services c00 mr ceo and dp world maritime services coo mr christiansen were questioned by mps, also talking about the new workforce being brought in, the average pay for them according to mr

hebblethwaite would be 5p15 £515 hebblethwaite would be 5p 15 £515 per over justify that hebblethwaite would be 5p 15 £515 per overjustify that basic eject that met the minimum wages of the countries the workers came from and also talking about respecting and supporting human rights, collective bargaining and respective laws and pointing out that the company had not adhered to this. really it was quite a difficult watch, let's speak to our particle corresponded peter saul. understandably these two men given a hard time, the jamaica bit? there has been a huge public backlash to the sackings, we have from the general secretary of the rmt who described it as the saint patrick's day massacre and it was quite interesting to watch the reactions from mps quite interesting to watch the reactions from mp5 on the select committees, a lot of them exasperated by what mr hebblethwaite

had to say. he started off with an apology but he was deeply sorry he had to do it but he said he would make the same decision again, quite extraordinary that he effectively admitted to breaking employment law by not consulting with the union in advance the announcement of these redundancies and repeatedly pressed, how does that make you feel that as a company director you had to admit to breaking the law. he did say those individuals will be fully compensated, getting about one and a half years of wages but what this cycle does is open a huge debate of the future of british maritime industry, the rmt saying other companies go the same way as p&o the whole british merchant navy could be in jeopardy because if you think about what they are doing, they believe they are not in breach of

international maritime law, they have sacked british workers, experienced and skilled individuals and replace them with largely foreign staff who will be paid a tiny fraction of what the british workers went on. you heard him say the lowest paid would be £515 per hour, the uk men on wage as going up to £9 50s hour, the uk men on wage as going up to £9 505 uk hour, the uk men on wage as going up to £9 50s uk minimum wage next week. there is clear disconnect between what p&o planned to do and what they have been doing and packed this is an internationally recognised way of doing things and he is adamant they have not breached international maritime law even ethanol still some questions about when they actually notified the uk government and the government of the countries where they have their ships registered and one of the points that came out of that session was that he claimed mr

hebblethwaite that the transport secretary was informed of p&o's intention on the 22nd of november, he was not able to say who actually informed the transport secretary about that but i am sure that will be one of the questions put to the ministers who now appearing in front of that site committee. the business minister and maritime minister. that but was unclear _ minister and maritime minister. that but was unclear exactly who spoke to him and what was said. interesting points made in terms of the company brand, safety going forward, how the company will function given the impact all this has had on its reputation and the way it has dealt with things. mr reputation and the way it has dealt with things-— reputation and the way it has dealt with thins. ~ , , . with things. mr hebblethwaite said the were with things. mr hebblethwaite said they were aware _ with things. mr hebblethwaite said they were aware and _ with things. mr hebblethwaite said they were aware and advance i with things. mr hebblethwaite said they were aware and advance this| they were aware and advance this would be controversial, had seemed they were unwilling to take the pr hit of this because as he said

repeatedly there would be no p&o ferries moving forward had they not taken this decision. a formal transport minister said with the zoom call in which you told it hundreds staff they would be losing yourjobs hundreds staff they would be losing your jobs you hundreds staff they would be losing yourjobs you have destroyed the reputation of p&o. here is a boss who is under intense pressure about has decision—making but he did not really appear to be although regretful of the personal impact it has had on individuals, knots so regretful of the decision he took which she says was absolutely necessary to preserve the company future. ,, g necessary to preserve the company future. . ~' , ., necessary to preserve the company future. . ,, i. �*, i. future. thank you. let's remind you of what the — future. thank you. let's remind you of what the chief _ future. thank you. let's remind you of what the chief executive - future. thank you. let's remind you of what the chief executive actually | of what the chief executive actually said. did of what the chief executive actually said. , . . , g, of what the chief executive actually said. , . . , ., , said. did p&o have a duty to consult union in good _ said. did p&o have a duty to consult union in good over _ said. did p&o have a duty to consult union in good over redundancies? i union in good over redundancies? there is no doubt we were not

required — there is no doubt we were not required to consult with the unions, we chose _ required to consult with the unions, we chose not to do that because... you chose — we chose not to do that because... you chose to — we chose not to do that because... you chose to break the law? we chose not to _ you chose to break the law? we chose not to consult and we will compensate everybody in full for that _ compensate everybody in full for that. ~ , ., , ., compensate everybody in full for that. ~ compensate everybody in full for that. . that. when you get in your car and see 70 male _ that. when you get in your car and see 70 male part _ that. when you get in your car and see 70 male part i _ that. when you get in your car and see 70 male part i was _ that. when you get in your car and see 70 male part i was to - that. when you get in your car and see 70 male part i was to use i see 70 male part i was to use decided will not apply and i will do 90 because i think it is important? is that how you go about your life. no. ,, is that how you go about your life. no. . . ., . . , no. that the collective agreements and lace no. that the collective agreements and place provide _ no. that the collective agreements and place provide for _ no. that the collective agreements and place provide for negotiation i and place provide for negotiation over such matters as redundancies? could you rephrase the question? you had could you rephrase the question? had collective could you rephrase the question? gm. had collective agreements with rmt and nautilus, that provides for negotiation over matters of redundancy, why did you not do it? what was the moraljustification? these are very extreme

circumstances, can i explain the difference — circumstances, can i explain the difference between the operational niodel_ difference between the operational model we previously had and the one we are _ model we previously had and the one we are moving to. so you understand how fundamental a change it as an that helps— how fundamental a change it as an that helps me explain why we had to take the _ that helps me explain why we had to take the route we did. its that helps me explain why we had to take the route we did.— take the route we did. as the chair has pointed _ take the route we did. as the chair has pointed out _ take the route we did. as the chair has pointed out that _ take the route we did. as the chair has pointed out that our— take the route we did. as the chair has pointed out that our many i has pointed out that our many companies that have difficulties, they obey the law and consult with they obey the law and consult with the members through their trade union. you have not done that. hate union. you have not done that. we have moved from one operating model to another~ _ have moved from one operating model to another. you have moved from one operating model to another. ,, . have moved from one operating model to another. ., . ., , to another. you have not escaped the law of this country, _ to another. you have not escaped the law of this country, you _ to another. you have not escaped the law of this country, you have - to another. you have not escaped the law of this country, you have to i to another. you have not escaped the law of this country, you have to do i law of this country, you have to do within the legal framework, you cannot decide you will upset yourself from the legal system of the uk. it yourself from the legal system of the uk. ., , ., yourself from the legal system of theuk. ,, yourself from the legal system of theuk. ., ,, ., the uk. it was our assessment that the uk. it was our assessment that the change — the uk. it was our assessment that the change was _ the uk. it was our assessment that the change was of _ the uk. it was our assessment that the change was of such _ the uk. it was our assessment that the change was of such a _ the uk. it was our assessment that| the change was of such a magnitude that no— the change was of such a magnitude that no union could possibly accept our proposal. you that no union could possibly accept our proposal-— our proposal. you are right about that. i our proposal. you are right about that- l have _ our proposal. you are right about that. i have never— our proposal. you are right about that. i have never heard - our proposal. you are right about that. i have never heard such i that. i have never heard such farcical answers to a cities of questions. —— series of questions.

speaking earlier was mark lynch the general secretary of the rmt union. nobody is discussing how we will get these people back to work because this company has made flagrant breaches of the law, they have done it deliberately and factored in what they will have to pay for it and they will have to pay for it and they are threatening and blackmailing their people that if you do not sign this document by next thursday you will be out of work and potentially get no award whatsoever and you will have to give up whatsoever and you will have to give up all your legal rights to take this company to task. this is absolutely outrageous. the general secretary of — absolutely outrageous. the general secretary of the _ absolutely outrageous. the general secretary of the rmt _ absolutely outrageous. the general secretary of the rmt and _ absolutely outrageous. the general secretary of the rmt and also i secretary of the rmt and also speaking this morning was the general secretary of nautilus, a trade union that represents maritime workers. , ,, trade union that represents maritime workers. , . .,' . trade union that represents maritime workers. , . . , workers. they are offering a bonus which will be _ workers. they are offering a bonus which will be payable _ workers. they are offering a bonus which will be payable on _ workers. they are offering a bonus which will be payable on 12 -

workers. they are offering a bonusi which will be payable on 12 months and if— which will be payable on 12 months and if they— which will be payable on 12 months and if they accept that so there is additional— and if they accept that so there is additional pressure on my members to si-n additional pressure on my members to sign no _ additional pressure on my members to sign no later— additional pressure on my members to sign no later than today and if they do not _ sign no later than today and if they do not sign — sign no later than today and if they do not sign by next week the bonus offer is _ do not sign by next week the bonus offer is reduced through by half. 91, offer is reduced through by half. 91. the — offer is reduced through by half. 91, the crewing strategy is entitles because _ 91, the crewing strategy is entitles because it — 91, the crewing strategy is entitles because it did not plan to do any of this higher. — because it did not plan to do any of this higher, they planned to replace everybody— this higher, they planned to replace everybody with ukrainian and russian seafarers _ everybody with ukrainian and russian seafarers and for obvious reasons that part — seafarers and for obvious reasons that part of — seafarers and for obvious reasons that part of the plan is in... this plan _ that part of the plan is in... this plan is _ that part of the plan is in... this plan is plan _ that part of the plan is in... this plan is plan b. that part of the plan is in... this plan is plan b-— that part of the plan is in... this plan is plan b. plenty more on the study throughout _ plan is plan b. plenty more on the study throughout the _ plan is plan b. plenty more on the study throughout the morning i study throughout the morning including the union the tuc coming on the programme to talk to me about what they make of what has been said at that site committee, also more on the situation in brussels as internationally does meet to discuss the russian war and ukraine forced now you look at the weather.

another beautiful splendid, the odd shower at times but the front fizzle out as it bumps into high pressure so few and far between and across the north of the uk, some sunshine breaking through, england and wales are long spells of sunshine are lasting through the day and temperatures between 14—20, could not across the north of scotland and of cloudier skies. this evening and tonight, clearskies of cloudier skies. this evening and tonight, clear skies and light winds so fairly chilly with temperatures in towns and cities a few degrees above freezing but we could see a slight frost and rural spots and mist and fog to start friday, that will clear quickly and the sunshine more widespread across scotland and northern ireland computer today, and temperatures between 14—18.

this is bbc news. the headlines... nato leaders gather for an emergency meeting in brussels, as they double the number of troops in countries bordering ukraine. the ukrainian military says it's destroyed a russian landing ship in the port of berdiansk, which could have been carrying several tanks and hundreds of marines. president zelensky has repeated his calls for more military help from nato members. translation: you have at least 20,000 tanks. | ukraine was asking for 500. from all of your tanks, just 500. give them to us. sell them to us. so far, we have not got a clear answer. here, the chief executive of p&o ferries has apologised for the company's decision to sack

800 staff without any notice. peter hebblethwaite said that they didn't consult unions before the move — which mps claim broke the law. absolutely no doubt we were required to consult with the unions. i completely hold our hands up that we did _ i completely hold our hands up that we did choose not to consult. it�*s we did choose not to consult. it's ruite we did choose not to consult. it�*s quite amazing you are coming to this parliament and is putting your hands up parliament and is putting your hands up saying you wilfully chose to break the law. the chancellor defends his spring statement — saying he's taken action to support households affected by the rise in the cost of living. but one think tank says more than a million people will now be pushed into poverty from april. world leaders are currently meeting in brussels to discuss the situation in ukraine.

us presidentjoe biden is there along with eu, g7 and nato leaders — he's expected to announce a new raft of sanctions on russia, seeking to put more pressure on the kremlin to end this war. let's head to ukraine and ben brown is there. yes, and ukrainian forces here are claiming that they have been counterattacking russian forces. one month after the russian invasion of ukraine. seizing back lost territory close to the capital of kyiv, but the bombardment of cities like mariupol continue relentlessly. in brussels today, nato are having an emergency summit. nato chief secretary general welcomed leaders to the summit and outlined what nato is trying to achieve in today public meeting and pay tribute to ukrainian people and those in russia speaking out against this war.—

people and those in russia speaking out against this war. welcome to the summit, out against this war. welcome to the summit. we — out against this war. welcome to the summit, we gather _ out against this war. welcome to the summit, we gather at _ out against this war. welcome to the summit, we gather at a _ out against this war. welcome to the summit, we gather at a critical i out against this war. welcome to the summit, we gather at a critical time | summit, we gather at a critical time for our security. we are united in condemning the kremlin's and provoked aggression. we are determined to continue to impose costs on russia to bring about the end of this brutal war. we pay tribute to the great courage of the ukrainian people and the ukrainian armed forces fighting for the freedom and their rights. we also recognise those in russia who are bravely speaking out against the wall. we hear their voices. they matter. today, we will discuss allied support to ukraine, we will also address nato efforts to strengthen our defences now and for the age to come. we are all doing more on land, at sea and in the air. this is necessary to respond to the

new security reality in europe. that is the nato — new security reality in europe. that is the nato secretary _ new security reality in europe. that is the nato secretary general addressing that summit, and the president of ukraine, vladimir zelensky called for more aid to ukraine, including the supply of tankers and... i ukraine, including the supply of tankers and. . ._ ukraine, including the supply of tankers and... i only ask of you, after such _ tankers and... i only ask of you, after such a _ tankers and... i only ask of you, after such a war _ tankers and... i only ask of you, after such a war with _ tankers and... i only ask of you, after such a war with russia, i after such a war with russia, please, never evertell after such a war with russia, please, never ever tell us that our army is not complying with nato cited standards. we have demonstrated our nato standards. we have shown how much we can do to contribute to the safety of europe and the world and defence against aggression and everything that we value, that you value. however, nato still has to demonstrate that their alliance could do something to save people to show that indeed is the

strongest defence alliance in the world. the world is waiting. ukraine is waiting for actual actions. proper safety guarantees. that's the ukraine president _ proper safety guarantees. that's the ukraine president vladimir - proper safety guarantees. that's the ukraine president vladimir zelensky| ukraine president vladimir zelensky talking to nato leaders. let's take a snapshot look at what is happening across ukraine today. pictures from ukrainian souls appearing to show a strike on a russian naval ship. in the plot of the dansk. plumes of smoke are seen billowing from the large vessel. if confirmed, this would be a setback to rush attempts to create a land bridge in the south—east of ukraine. seen here three days ago, the ship was capable of carrying up to 1500 tonnes of military equipment. the attack took place 80 kilometres from the

besieged port city of mariupol. once vibrant, these are the scars of the month of war. russian bombardment, leaving ruins and rubble throughout. standing defiant, the president of ukraine, vladimir zelensky, last night, unusually in english, urged people worldwide to show their support for ukraine. this people worldwide to show their support for ukraine.— people worldwide to show their support for ukraine. this is only the beginning — support for ukraine. this is only the beginning for— support for ukraine. this is only the beginning for russia - support for ukraine. this is only the beginning for russia underl the beginning for russia under ukrainian land. soon you are standing, come from your offices, your homes, your schools and universities. come in the name of peace. come with ukrainian symbols, despite ukraine, to support freedom, to support life. come to your streets. make yourself visible and heard. so people matter, freedom matters, ukraine matters. abs, matters, ukraine matters. a significant amount of strategic territory has been taken by russia, but the capital of kyiv remains in

ukrainian hand, with troops taking back some of the surrounding areas. britain will provide six missiles and funds to support the ukrainian army. but as the war continues into army. but as the war continues into a second month, ukraine demands for a second month, ukraine demands for a no—fly zone i get to be met. we were saying earlier, this war, one—month—old, is not going as putin or the kremlin would have hoped. we can hearfrom a senior or the kremlin would have hoped. we can hear from a senior fellow at the carnegie centre in moscow. he gave me his perspective of the conflict from the russian point of view. the military goals _ from the russian point of view. tie: military goals and from the russian point of view. t'te: military goals and the from the russian point of view. tte: military goals and the girls have not been achieved and the progress from the russian viewpoint has been slow but still incremental. it takes some grand and has moved to...

decapitation of political leadership and installing a puppet government which is now framing is plan b which is an incremental advance despite the losses on the civilian side. what do you think has gone wrong in the way that this russian military operation, as they call a special military operation was conceived? what has gone wrong for the russian military as they have come into ukraine in the last four weeks, do you think? it ukraine in the last four weeks, do ou think? ., ., ukraine in the last four weeks, do you think?— ukraine in the last four weeks, do ou think? ,, . ., you think? it looks like the war was based on very _ you think? it looks like the war was based on very flimsy _ you think? it looks like the war was based on very flimsy intelligence i based on very flimsy intelligence assumptions about the strength of the ukrainian army, the willingness of ukrainian people to live under russian occupation and sympathy towards russia. but that is part of the decision—making process inside russian where putin was not telling that war is his actual goal to even his closest adviser. just a handful

of people in uniform who were designing the operation. so the military and the economy came unprepared for what was about to come. ., . my unprepared for what was about to come. ., . ,._ . , ., unprepared for what was about to come. ., . . , ., . come. you are saying that this was a war that was — come. you are saying that this was a war that was conceived _ come. you are saying that this was a war that was conceived and - come. you are saying that this was a war that was conceived and planned | war that was conceived and planned by president putin in secrecy, really, from a lot of his closest advisers even? taste really, from a lot of his closest advisers even?— really, from a lot of his closest advisers even? ~ . , g, advisers even? we have seen that the meetin: of advisers even? we have seen that the meeting of the — advisers even? we have seen that the meeting of the russian _ advisers even? we have seen that the meeting of the russian security i meeting of the russian security council on february 21 that was the first step into this war, a lot of senior people, including head of international intelligence were visibly shocked and moved because they did not anticipate up until the last moment war. so it must be that president putin his military defence and military planners who have designed the operation and new from the very start that it was all about war but not about talks with the west or dealing some concessions from ukrainian leaderships in peaceful negotiations. and

from ukrainian leaderships in peaceful negotiations. and we have heard of large-scale _ peaceful negotiations. and we have heard of large-scale deaths - peaceful negotiations. and we have l heard of large-scale deaths amongst heard of large—scale deaths amongst russian troops, huge numbers of casualties. what happens to president putin and the longer term. does any of this undermine his position, or hit is he safe and secure in the kremlin? it position, or hit is he safe and secure in the kremlin? it looks like the regime — secure in the kremlin? it looks like the regime is _ secure in the kremlin? it looks like the regime is very _ secure in the kremlin? it looks like the regime is very stable. - secure in the kremlin? it looks like the regime is very stable. we i secure in the kremlin? it looks like the regime is very stable. we do i secure in the kremlin? it looks like l the regime is very stable. we do not see any major defections on the side of either russian military or the russian civilian bureaucracy. not even a simple attache has walked out of the russian embassy in any western cap pistol and asked for asylum, demanding this worries terrible. inside russia, pulls during wartime are terrible. inside russia, pulls during war time are unreliable, but intelligence suggests that the majority of people are looking away

from this war are supporting it because they are being brainwashed by the state propaganda. and despite all the economic troubles, the regime manages to keep the economy afloat and has enough resources to continue this brutal war as it is for now. ., . . , for now. from their car needy institute in _ for now. from their car needy institute in months _ for now. from their car needy institute in months moscow. | for now. from their car needy i institute in months moscow. we can also hear now from andrey masculine. the deputy mayor of the city where i am talking to you from. live even western ukraine. i'm been talking to him about how the vivi is coping with displaced people coming to the city defence sanctuary from the war further east —— lviv. city defence sanctuary from the war further east -- lviv.— further east -- lviv. mostly from kharkiv, kyiv. — further east -- lviv. mostly from kharkiv, kyiv, mariupol. - further east -- lviv. mostly from kharkiv, kyiv, mariupol. russian| kharkiv, kyiv, mariupol. russian troops killed children, and

yesterday we showed the whole world that more than 130 children were killed by russians in ukraine. the --eole killed by russians in ukraine. the peeple who _ killed by russians in ukraine. the people who have come here to the city, where are they staying and living? city, where are they staying and livinu? ~ ,, ., ., , ., city, where are they staying and livinu? ~ ,, ., . , ., ., city, where are they staying and livinu? �* ,, ., ., , ., ., iii: living? approximately more than 500 different locations. _ living? approximately more than 500 different locations. school— different locations. school campuses, universities, and when we had more than ten to 30,000 people came during the one day, churches, companies, we provided everything that we can. it is companies, we provided everything that we can-— that we can. it is one month since the war began. — that we can. it is one month since the war began, since _ that we can. it is one month since the war began, since russia - that we can. it is one month since i the war began, since russia invaded. we've seen some reports of ukrainian forces counterattacking and going on the offensive. do you think this is a war that ukraine can win? today, all ukrainians _ a war that ukraine can win? today, all ukrainians is _ a war that ukraine can win? today, all ukrainians is one _ a war that ukraine can win? today, all ukrainians is one and _ a war that ukraine can win? today, all ukrainians is one and we - a war that ukraine can win? today, all ukrainians is one and we have i all ukrainians is one and we have only one way to win this war, but it started not one month ago, it started not one month ago, it started more than eight years ago. it started with the occupation of

crimea and so on. today ukraine stands for the whole world, and democracy for the whole world. if. it democracy for the whole world. is it a war, militarily _ democracy for the whole world. is it a war, militarily that you can win? what do you need from the west? nato meeting today. britain has promised another 6000 missiles. what more do you want, more than weapons? people sa b you want, more than weapons? people say by using — you want, more than weapons? people say by using russian _ you want, more than weapons? people say by using russian propaganda - you want, more than weapons? pmi- say by using russian propaganda that this war, which started measuring our country, will be easier for them. so it will be necessary in several days. today, hopefully for our heroic army and ukrainians, already one month, so today the whole country stays strong and even the people who don't have any military experience today, they are ready to defend. and so, we don't care and don't know what russia will do. we know what we will do. that

was the first _ do. we know what we will do. that was the first deputy _ do. we know what we will do. that was the first deputy mayor of lviv here in western ukraine talking to me a little bit earlier on. you are watching bbc news. we live here in lviv. do you believe this is a war you can win? ~ , .., win? we believe we can turn the tide and when this _ win? we believe we can turn the tide and when this one. _ win? we believe we can turn the tide and when this one. it _ win? we believe we can turn the tide and when this one. it has _

win? we believe we can turn the tide and when this one. it has already - and when this one. it has already come out huge — and when this one. it has already come out huge costs, _ and when this one. it has already come out huge costs, the - and when this one. it has already - come out huge costs, the destruction of cities and lives lost, how many more months do you foresee? we have not started months _ more months do you foresee? we have not started months ago, _ more months do you foresee? we have not started months ago, we _ more months do you foresee? we have not started months ago, we have - more months do you foresee? we have not started months ago, we have been| not started months ago, we have been fighting with russia for the last eight years, the most difficult part was all the forces around the ukrainian border and three directions, this part as the most difficult but we are making the russians to entrench themselves so what i believe zelensky with your assistance and later with 1% of military might and that ukrainian willingness to fight we can win this war and get rid of them from skies and land. i know ukraine has asked for a no fly zone, president biden

said he will not risk 1—on—13. what said he will not risk 1-on-13. what kind of assistance _ said he will not risk 1-on-13. what kind of assistance do _ said he will not risk 1-on-13. what kind of assistance do you - said he will not risk 1—on—13. what kind of assistance do you want from the west in terms of weaponry and hardware that you are not getting now? ~ ., ., ., ,., hardware that you are not getting now? ~ ., ., ., , ., “ hardware that you are not getting now? ~ ., ., ., , ., 4' , now? what more would you like? this auestion now? what more would you like? this question about _ now? what more would you like? this question about 13 _ now? what more would you like? this question about 13 is _ now? what more would you like? this question about 13 is purely _ question about 13 is purely theoretical because for them many have died already so when the leaders are talking about how dangerous the situation is we are missing this point because we are dying right now so the necessary equipment we are asking for is something which will allow us to keep our skies to ourselves and clear out of the place so on the ground we are doing 0k, we can withstand this pressure and even around kyiv we can send them back and body bags and stop this war. we also hope we can reach out to russians to remind them they are sending kids to die in ukraine and

killing the brothers and sisters so with all this pressure from the international community and the sanctions created enormous pressure on the russian economy we hope this task can be fulfilled. we on the russian economy we hope this task can be fulfilled.— task can be fulfilled. we know countries like _ task can be fulfilled. we know countries like the _ task can be fulfilled. we know countries like the uk - task can be fulfilled. we know countries like the uk have - task can be fulfilled. we know| countries like the uk have sent task can be fulfilled. we know i countries like the uk have sent a lot of weaponry, especially anti—tank weapons, boris johnson lot of weaponry, especially anti—tank weapons, borisjohnson has promised 6000 missiles but the longer this one goes on, are you running out of weapons? we longer this one goes on, are you running out of weapons?- running out of weapons? we are runnina running out of weapons? we are running out _ running out of weapons? we are running out of — running out of weapons? we are running out of weapons - running out of weapons? we are running out of weapons and - running out of weapons and sophisticated stuff like aeroplanes, we still managed to keep the skies to ourselves, putin probably helped he would establish the superiority over ukrainian skies to allow his troops to move unharmed which has not happened. we need bigger distance rocket systems and artillery to allow us to get back

land step—by—step. this is what we have conversations with and again and now we have to deal with the ships, we dealt with the sinking another ship and we are fighting and we are asking nato to be with us and help us and we can have planes from the four knots of the new project pilots can fly, be ask and we are building this plains, switching to the systems in opposition, we have to train our people but that is a process we can achieve. sooner or later this what _ process we can achieve. sooner or later this what has _ process we can achieve. sooner or later this what has to _ process we can achieve. sooner or later this what has to end - later this what has to end presumably with some sort of peace negotiated settlement, there have been pieced talks low—level peace talks but not between present zelensky and putin that have been called for but what could from your

point of view a peace agreement look like? ., , ., ., ., like? the ideal situation for ukraine as _ like? the ideal situation for ukraine as f.c. _ like? the ideal situation for ukraine as f.c. clear - like? the ideal situation for ukraine as f.c. clear our . like? the ideal situation for. ukraine as f.c. clear our lines like? the ideal situation for- ukraine as f. c. clear our lines from ukraine as f.c. clear our lines from russians and get to the point like eight years ago when we peacefully coexisted and own our own borders but we are realists and understand putin once ever since he wants to crash as totally so we will not exist. the compromise will be somewhere in between. ukraine will be able to survive with best chances for future development and our path and sit, we want to depart of european western survivors issue, russia is not attractive to us any more for we have to lose many lives to prove this simple point to him and i understand we are working hard to get the understanding and president zelensky mentioned he is ready with all the hate but he is ready with all the hate but he is ready to sit with putin and strike

the deal. the problem is not on our side. ~ , ., the deal. the problem is not on our side. ~ y., ., ~ the deal. the problem is not on our side. ~ ., ~ ., ., ., side. when you talk about a deal, surel in side. when you talk about a deal, surely in the _ side. when you talk about a deal, surely in the end _ side. when you talk about a deal, surely in the end that _ side. when you talk about a deal, surely in the end that would - side. when you talk about a deal, | surely in the end that would mean effectively the partition of this country, russia will insist on holding on to some of the territory already taken on the south and east, are you prepared for the partition of ukraine? ihla are you prepared for the partition of ukraine?— are you prepared for the partition of ukraine? ., ., ., , of ukraine? no we are not prepared, we are proud — of ukraine? no we are not prepared, we are proud to _ of ukraine? no we are not prepared, we are proud to be _ of ukraine? no we are not prepared, we are proud to be the _ of ukraine? no we are not prepared, we are proud to be the biggest - we are proud to be the biggest nation in europe, we would love to stay in the same land mass, and that is our nation. what the president mentioned as the territorial integrity is not on the table, our decisions are not on the table, what we are eager to negotiate as a deal to make the relationship between our nations better in the future. the table pass when we will have to reconsider, we do not know how these losses will be dealt with, that is

something groups are negotiating. i do not believe we have a negotiations from people sending to talk to us so i believe putin still thinks he can crush as mother tannoy and he is throwing more people and equipment to do stuff. —— crush us militarily. equipment to do stuff. -- crush us militaril . . ~ equipment to do stuff. -- crush us militaril . ., ~ , ., ., , militarily. thank you for being with us. the ukrainian _ militarily. thank you for being with us. the ukrainian ambassador - militarily. thank you for being with us. the ukrainian ambassador and | us. the ukrainian ambassador and president zelensky has said one month into this one it has been a heroic defence by his people, a terrible and dark month of destruction but they are holding out, there has been a cost of thousands of lives of ruined cities and 10 million people forced to flee from their homes. that is the latest from their homes. that is the latest from lviv, back to the study. more on ukraine later but here

here, the chief executive of p and 0 ferries has apologised for the decision to sack eight hundred employees last week — with no notice. appearing before a committee of mps, peter hebblethwaite said the move was "the only way to save the business", before declining to say whether he would be accepting a bonus. he was asked by the labour mp andy macdonald why he didn't consult with trade unions ahead of the sackings: there was no doubt we were required to consult with unions, we not to do that. ., . ., , ., ~ ., to consult with unions, we not to do that. ., . ., , .,~' ., we that. you chose to break the law. we chose not to — that. you chose to break the law. we chose not to consult _ that. you chose to break the law. we chose not to consult and _ that. you chose to break the law. we chose not to consult and evoke - chose not to consult and evoke composite everybody that. i recognise. composite everybody that. i recognise-— composite everybody that. i recoanise. ~ ., recognise. will you drive down the motorway and _ recognise. will you drive down the motorway and see _ recognise. will you drive down the motorway and see the _ recognise. will you drive down the motorway and see the 70 - recognise. will you drive down the motorway and see the 70 mph - recognise. will you drive down the - motorway and see the 70 mph saying, do you _ motorway and see the 70 mph saying, do you think_ motorway and see the 70 mph saying, do you think you will do 90, is that how you _ do you think you will do 90, is that how you go — do you think you will do 90, is that how you go about your life? no. that the how you go about your life? that the collective how you go about your life? lin. that the collective agreement in place

provide _ the collective agreement in place provide for negotiation over such matters — provide for negotiation over such matters as— provide for negotiation over such matters as redundancies? could you rehrase matters as redundancies? could you rephrase the — matters as redundancies? could you rephrase the question. _ matters as redundancies? could you rephrase the question. you - matters as redundancies? could you rephrase the question. you had - rephrase the question. you had agreements — rephrase the question. you had agreements with _ rephrase the question. you had agreements with rmt - rephrase the question. you had agreements with rmt and - rephrase the question. you had - agreements with rmt and nautilus, that provides for negotiation over such matters of redundancies, you have _ such matters of redundancies, you have done — such matters of redundancies, you have done it before, why did you not do it, _ have done it before, why did you not do it. what _ have done it before, why did you not do it, what was the moral justification?— do it, what was the moral justification? these are very extreme circumstances, - justification? these are very - extreme circumstances, another to answer that fully can i explain the difference between the operational model we previously had and the one we are moving to. so you understand herfundamental a change it as we are moving to. so you understand her fundamental a change it as an that kept me explain why we had to take what we had to.— that kept me explain why we had to take what we had to. there are many com anies take what we had to. there are many companies that _ take what we had to. there are many companies that have _ take what we had to. there are many companies that have difficulty, - take what we had to. there are many companies that have difficulty, they l companies that have difficulty, they obey the _ companies that have difficulty, they obey the law and consult with their members — obey the law and consult with their members. through the trade union, you have _ members. through the trade union, you have not — members. through the trade union, you have not done that. we members. through the trade union, you have not done that.— you have not done that. we have moved from _ you have not done that. we have moved from one _ you have not done that. we have moved from one operating - you have not done that. we have| moved from one operating model you have not done that. we have i moved from one operating model to another. ., . �* moved from one operating model to another. ., ., �* , ., another. you haven't escaped the law of this country- _ another. you haven't escaped the law of this country. you _ another. you haven't escaped the law

of this country. you still _ another. you haven't escaped the law of this country. you still have - another. you haven't escaped the law of this country. you still have to - of this country. you still have to do it— of this country. you still have to do it within _ of this country. you still have to do it within the legal framework, you cannot decide to absent yourself from the _ you cannot decide to absent yourself from the legal system of the uk. it from the legal system of the uk. [11 was from the legal system of the uk. was our from the legal system of the uk. it was our assessment that the change was our assessment that the change was of such a magnitude that no union could possibly accept our proposal. union could possibly accept our ro osal. ., union could possibly accept our --roosal. ., ., ., union could possibly accept our ”roosal. ., ., ., ., proposal. you are right about that. i have never— proposal. you are right about that. i have never heard _ proposal. you are right about that. i have never heard such _ proposal. you are right about that. i have never heard such farcical- i have never heard such farcical answers — mr hebblethwaite was then pushed again by the chair of the committee — darrenjones — and repeated his opinion that p&0's actions were the only way to conduct the dismissals. i asked whether you did not know what you are doing all you will fully block the law. you said you wilfully broke the law and chose not to consult even though you knew you should have. you pay people off with compensation in order to break the law, does that not give you concerned that you are in breach of your legal obligation of company law. i your legal obligation of company law. ., , ., your legal obligation of company law. ., ., , , ., law. i hold my our hands up that we did choose — law. i hold my our hands up that we

did choose not _ law. i hold my our hands up that we did choose not to _ law. i hold my our hands up that we did choose not to consult. - law. i hold my our hands up that we did choose not to consult. you - law. i hold my our hands up that we did choose not to consult. you are l did choose not to consult. you are sa inc did choose not to consult. you are saying you — did choose not to consult. you are saying you wilfully _ did choose not to consult. you are saying you wilfully chose - did choose not to consult. you are saying you wilfully chose to - did choose not to consult. you are saying you wilfully chose to break| saying you wilfully chose to break the law. haste saying you wilfully chose to break the law. ~ ., , the law. we did not believe there was any other _ the law. we did not believe there was any other way _ the law. we did not believe there was any other way to _ the law. we did not believe there was any other way to do - the law. we did not believe there was any other way to do this. - speaking earlier to the parliamentary committees on transport and business, was mick lynch, general secretary of the rmt union. what needs discussing, as far as i can see, how are we going to get these people back to work, because this company has made flagrant breaches of the law, as has just been described, they have done it deliberately, and they have factored in what they are going to have to pay for it. and they are threatening and blackmailing our people, if you do not sign this document by next thursday, you will be out of work, and you will potentially get no reward whatsoever, and you will have to give up all of your legal rights to take this company to task. this is absolutely outrageous. also speaking at the session this morning was mark dickinson, general secretary of nautilus international, a trade union that represents maritime workers. here's what he had to say.

they are offering a re—signed bonus which will be payable in 12 months�* time. and if they accept that today, so there is an additional member on my members to sign today, no later than today, and if they accept that today, so there is an additional pressure on my members to sign today, no later than today, and if they don't sign by today, but signed by next week, that bonus offer is reduced by half. 91. the crewing strategy is in tatters because they didn't plan to do any of this rehire. they planned to replace everybody with ukrainian seafarers and russian seafarers, and for obvious reasons, that part of the plan is in... so, this plan, if we can call it a plan, is plan b. the chancellor defends his spring statement — saying he's taken action to support households affected by the rise in the cost of living.

rishi sunak insisted he'd taken action to help people , by cutting fuel duty and raising the income threshold for national insurance contributions. 0ur political correspondent iain watson gave me all the latest earlierfrom downing street. 0ur political correspondent iain watson gave me all the latest earlierfrom downing street. the spring statement is a response to the cost of living crisis which the country is experiencing and is about to get worse. it's not me saying it, it's the people the government employs to do the economic forecasts, they are suggesting we could see the biggest fall in living standards in any one year since the 1950s when current records began. they are also saying prices could go up at their fastest rate for 48 years. against that kind of backdrop, the chancellor has been doing some things to help hard—pressed families, but questions have been raised as to whether he is doing enough. the resolution foundation looks at the effect on lower paid workers, they are suggesting that more than1 million people could be forced into poverty. the opposition are saying too that they believe the chancellor has not quite grasped the full scale of the crisis. even some of his own

conservative mps who like some of the measures he is introducing including the prospect of a tax cut before the next general election are nonetheless worried about the effect on the most disadvantaged, state benefits will rise at half the level currently of the increase in prices. they may not be able to keep up. the chancellor was asked about this this morning and he said he is helping families under difficult economic conditions. those are all tax—cutting measures. we also cut taxes for businesses to make it cheaper for them to employ staff. across the board. we also cut vat on people who want to install solar panels and heat pumps at home. i have always been honest, these are global challenges that we face. we are not alone

in experiencing them. it is the hardest part of thisjob, not being able to do everything people would like you to do. but i can't make every problem go away. but where we can make a difference, we want to and that is what you said it was all about. rishi sunak says that is what his spring statement yesterday was all about, but his critics say he is only cutting taxes by a fraction of the amount he has already raised. some of his own mps saying he should go further and faster on tax cuts and they are down on inflation. faster on tax cuts and bear down on inflation. there is a political dividing line growing between the government and opposition. the liberal democrats are common for a one off tax on energy companies, something the chancellor is resisting. the labour spokesperson,

rachel reeves, suggested the the chancellor was indulging in alison wonderland economics. people can see in the pay packets that the _ people can see in the pay packets that the wages are not keeping up with the _ that the wages are not keeping up with the standard of living for seven — with the standard of living for seven out of eight workers will be paying _ seven out of eight workers will be paying more in taxes because during the course _ paying more in taxes because during the course of the two years rishi sunak— the course of the two years rishi sunak has— the course of the two years rishi sunak has been chance about taxes have been— sunak has been chance about taxes have been raised 15 times and a cut in income _ have been raised 15 times and a cut in income tax not this year but the year after— in income tax not this year but the year after a — in income tax not this year but the year after a make in income tax not this year but the yearaftera make up in income tax not this year but the year after a make up for the multiple _ year after a make up for the multiple tax increases that this government have imposed on or not it working _ government have imposed on or not it working people. rachel reeves making it clear there

was a tax cut in the offing. critics say not enough have been done to put bread on the tables right now. some of those critics are inside which is seen at�*s own party. but there was a hint from the chancellor with the various broadcasts that he has done, if we see further inquest in energy prices, that he is prepared to do more. that he and watson. now, time for a look at the weather with sarah. it is another beautiful spring day out there for much of the uk through the rest of today. we've got a little bit more cloud drifting across some parts of the uk, but just going to bring the ad broke shower to scotland and northern ireland at times. that front is fizzling out as it bumps into a big area of high pressure. the showers area of high pressure. the showers are fairly few and far between and across the areas of the uk. a bit of sunshine breaking into those areas of sunshine too. temperatures

between about 1k in belfast to 20 in london. a bit cooler in the north—west of scotland under those cloudy skies. cloudy skies and light winds to overnight so a chilly night with towns and cities staying a few degrees above freezing but we could see a slight frost in more rural spots. that will clear away for us quickly, and the sunshine will be more widespread across scotland and northern ireland compared to today. there is temperatures between about 14 to 18 celsius. the by. hello, this is bbc news. the headlines... nato leaders gather for an emergency meeting in brussels, as they double the number of troops in countries bordering ukraine. the ukrainian military says it's destroyed a russian landing ship in the port of berdiansk, which could have been carrying several tanks and hundreds of marines. president zelensky has repeated his calls for more military help from nato members.

translation: you have at least 20,000 tanks. ukraine was asking for 500. from all of your tanks, just 500. from all of your tanks, just 500. give them to us. sell them to us. so far, we haven't got a clear answer. here, the boss of p&0 ferries admits not consulting on job cuts broke the law. i completely hold our hands up, my hands up, our hands up that we did choose not to consult. it’s hands up, our hands up that we did choose not to consult.— choose not to consult. it's quite amazing. _ choose not to consult. it's quite amazing. isn't _ choose not to consult. it's quite amazing, isn't it, _ choose not to consult. it's quite amazing, isn't it, you're - choose not to consult. it's quite amazing, isn't it, you're coming choose not to consult. it's quite i amazing, isn't it, you're coming to this parliament putting your hands up this parliament putting your hands up and saying you wilfully chose to break the law? the chancellor defends his spring statement — saying he's taken action to support households affected by the rise in the cost of living. but one think tank says more than a million people will now be pushed into poverty from april.

let's return to our top story. one month after russia launched its invasion of ukraine, nato leaders have been meeting to consider their next steps. the alliance is set to strengthen its presence in eastern europe and increase its military aid to ukraine. joing me now is mark malloch—brown, former un deputy secretary general and current president of the open society foundations. thank you forjoining us. let me ask you first of all, your response to the international response so far. look, i think at a humanitarian level, it has been spectacular. there has been huge generosity by governments and also individuals. british families accepting ukrainians into their homes and etc. on the security side, it's obviously 0n the security side, it's obviously been much more mixed with weapons and always the presumption that ukraine was going to lose this war, and therefore not the sort of full throated support that might help

ukraine turn the tide. in a way that is evidently, may now be possible. i think it is probably worth adding just one of the point as the president of open society which is that we have invested a quarter of $1 million over the last 30 years in civil society in ukraine, democracy building, free media, effective public health etc. in a way, we have been less surprised by the resilience of ukrainians than the west and certainly russia's intelligence and security services have been. we always saw this as a very independent minded, feisty group of people who curse the geography that made them have this sort of russian bear is a neighbour. but, you know, love their independence. so the fact that they are putting up such a forceful

fight, ithink, perhaps, does not, such a surprise to us as it did to others. ., ., , ., others. there are theories of key meetin . s others. there are theories of key meetings being _ others. there are theories of key meetings being held _ others. there are theories of key meetings being held in _ others. there are theories of key meetings being held in brusselsl meetings being held in brussels today. how important do you think it is that print president biden is varied and engaging as opposed to his predecessor. i varied and engaging as opposed to his predecessor.— his predecessor. i think it is huael his predecessor. i think it is hugely important. - his predecessor. i think it is hugely important. we i his predecessor. i think it is hugely important. we have| his predecessor. i think it is l hugely important. we have to his predecessor. i think it is - hugely important. we have to realise it was america's disengagement under trump which in many ways set the scene for what is now happened. so the re—engagement is important. i think if you step back and look at it globally, nobody would have imagined that an american president would once more be engaged in europe trying to prevent something which could escalate into a new war in europe. this was meant to be the presidency of the pivot to asia and china. he will need to get back to that agenda, because china, not russia, is the real global

competitor of the us. but for now, the fact that he is there allows a refurbishment of a very deteriorated relationship, the transatlantic one, and has offered him the chance to reverse the damage that happened under president trump. brute reverse the damage that happened under president trump.— under president trump. we heard earlier about _ under president trump. we heard earlier about the _ under president trump. we heard earlier about the need _ under president trump. we heard earlier about the need for - under president trump. we heard earlier about the need for leaders j earlier about the need for leaders to discuss as the security reset, with the reliance on major in eastern europe. do you think a security reset is reset is what is needed right now? what impact could it have in the longer term? i needed right now? what impact could it have in the longer term?— it have in the longer term? i think it have in the longer term? i think it is auoin it have in the longer term? i think it is going to _ it have in the longer term? i think it is going to be — it have in the longer term? i think it is going to be part _ it have in the longer term? i think it is going to be part of _ it have in the longer term? i think it is going to be part of what i it is going to be part of what is needed. russia to recognise that nato is not going to blink and that it has its red lines and they are not going to be crossed. but this is ultimately a conflict as much about values as it is security. it was ukraine's democracy that provoked president putin. as we move back

towards a potentially air to block a three block world, it is going to be incredibly important that there is soft power as well as hard power deployed to contain russia. we remain committed to free trade systems, economically, but also open political systems democratically. you know, it needs to be a multi dimensional reset. it is notjust security. it dimensional reset. it is not 'ust securi . ,, . , dimensional reset. it is not 'ust securi. _, dimensional reset. it is not 'ust securi. i, ,~ security. it is security plus. and that security — security. it is security plus. and that security plus _ security. it is security plus. and that security plus i _ security. it is security plus. and that security plus i suppose i security. it is security plus. and i that security plus i suppose would also include the way conflicts like this exacerbate the economic problems already seeing globally? yes. the idea that only russia is going to pay for this war is really misguided. we are going to pay for it in ourfood misguided. we are going to pay for it in our food prices misguided. we are going to pay for it in ourfood prices higher energy prices, disruption of global supply chains. it will lead to higher and higher inflation as we already saw in the british chancellors statement

yesterday. so the knock—on effect of this are going to create a lot of wear and tear this are going to create a lot of wearand tearand this are going to create a lot of wear and tear and tearing at the social fabric wear and tear and tearing at the socialfabric in all our wear and tear and tearing at the social fabric in all our countries. and the countries which are going to prevail those which have a high degree of internal social cohesion because they are seen as fairly transparently unaccountably tra ns pa re ntly u na ccou nta bly governed. and transparently unaccountably governed. and so, part of the reset, in addition to security, is resetting our democracies. making sure they are robust and engage all our assistance and all the official socialjustice our assistance and all the official social justice we are our assistance and all the official socialjustice we are willing to stand up and fight for our countries.— stand up and fight for our countries. �* , , ., , stand up and fight for our countries. 3 , ., , ., countries. it's been really good to net our countries. it's been really good to get your input- — countries. it's been really good to get your input. thank _ countries. it's been really good to get your input. thank you - countries. it's been really good to get your input. thank you very i countries. it's been really good to i get your input. thank you very much. back now to p and 0 ferries — and the chief executive has apologised for the decision

to sack 800 employees last week with no notice. appearing before mps, peter hebblethwaite was pushed by the chair of the committee darrenjones on how the dismissals were handled, but said the company believed there was "any other way" to do it. the transport secretary has called the situation unacceptable. brute the transport secretary has called the situation unacceptable. we think that the p and _ the situation unacceptable. we think that the p and o — the situation unacceptable. we think that the p and 0 management i the situation unacceptable. we think that the p and 0 management have l that the p and 0 management have exploited a loophole here to sack british workers, bringing some very low—paid international workers, we don't that is right and we will be returning to parliament with a package of measures to ensure that that situation is undone. you package of measures to ensure that that situation is undone.— that situation is undone. you say and done- _ that situation is undone. you say and done- is _ that situation is undone. you say and done. is there _ that situation is undone. you say and done. is there anything i that situation is undone. you say and done. is there anything you | that situation is undone. you say i and done. is there anything you can do to— and done. is there anything you can do to reverse it? yet and done. is there anything you can do to reverse it?— do to reverse it? yet it will change the law to make _ do to reverse it? yet it will change the law to make sure _ do to reverse it? yet it will change the law to make sure that - do to reverse it? yet it will change the law to make sure that it i do to reverse it? yet it will change| the law to make sure that it cannot happen. british ports all the time, backwards and forwards, within our economic zone, if you like, that that management will not be able to exploit what they think is a loophole in the law, that will be

tested by legal action. either way, we have a package of measures for them that will absolutely close it off. joining me now is paul nowak — deputy general secretary of the tuc. i reassured by those words there? i'll be even more reassured when i see action government. the evidence today, what we have seen is proof positive that not only p&0 broke the law, acted unlawfully, they deliberately set out to break the law with those sackings of 800 seafarers. i don't think the government can let that son stand. i welcome the announcement that he is going to look to close any legal loophole that p and 0 may have exploited, but i think they need to do a lot more. they need to throw a legal book at p and 0 because if they don't, that will show a green light to any employer in this country that they can get away with

flouting employment law. he country that they can get away with flouting employment law.— country that they can get away with flouting employment law. he said he chose not to — flouting employment law. he said he chose not to consult _ flouting employment law. he said he chose not to consult the _ flouting employment law. he said he chose not to consult the unions i flouting employment law. he said he chose not to consult the unions and i chose not to consult the unions and will compensate everyone in full for that. . �* , will compensate everyone in full for that. . �*, , will compensate everyone in full for that. . �*, y., ., .,, that. that's absolutely outrageous. the idea that _ that. that's absolutely outrageous. the idea that someone _ that. that's absolutely outrageous. the idea that someone can - that. that's absolutely outrageous. the idea that someone can just i that. that's absolutely outrageous. j the idea that someone can just pay their way out of breaking the law is just unacceptable. as i say, what is really important now is that government takes really strong action against p endo. that means any contract the government might have with the company, until people are reinstated, closing those legal loopholes, looking more broadly at employment law in this country, and i think it also means being prepared to step in as the operator of last resort if p endo does not comply. at the end of the day, if p endo business model relies on sacking people unlawfully in paying people below the national middle minimum wage, they haven't got a viable business model and should not be able to operate in british ports. i

don't buy the line that it would not be viable if this did not happen. it paid out... its parent company spent hundred and £47 million last year sponsoring a golf tournament. p might not be the only company, is not the only company under financial pressure because of the pandemic and because of rising energy costs. we know every other company that has beenin know every other company that has been in that position has sat down and negotiated with the unions about how we get out of this together collectively. what is the way forward? what p endo did is reprehensible. i would urge them to get back round the table with the unions and come to a settlement that secures a fairfuture unions and come to a settlement that secures a fair future first seafarers in the uk. we can't let it stand on the government cannot either. ~ . ., , either. what p&0 said about its attitude to _ either. what p&0 said about its attitude to unions, _ either. what p&0 said about its attitude to unions, is _ either. what p&0 said about its attitude to unions, is there i either. what p&0 said about its attitude to unions, is there any| attitude to unions, is there any trust there at all for you guys sat around a table? it’s trust there at all for you guys sat around a table?— trust there at all for you guys sat around a table? it's very difficult, but at the end _ around a table? it's very difficult, but at the end of— around a table? it's very difficult, but at the end of the _ around a table? it's very difficult, but at the end of the day - around a table? it's very difficult,

but at the end of the day you i but at the end of the day you resolve these things by talking. p endo needs to come to the table of openly and honestly and to engage with the unions. and when p&0 does it run table it needs to do it in a serious manner and shows it is serious manner and shows it is serious by withdrawing those 800 sackings. that's the least it could do to show good faith and show they are serious about reaching an agreement. are serious about reaching an agreement-— are serious about reaching an aureement. . , , ., , agreement. has there been any consultation _ agreement. has there been any consultation within _ agreement. has there been any consultation within the - agreement. has there been any consultation within the unions l agreement. has there been any i consultation within the unions about what to do next, all the different unions that are represented here? the two main ones are and nautilus, and every single trade union in the country is behind them because of p endo get away with this there is no job safe anywhere in the uk. we want a sustainable for british shipping, but we can't have that if employers play fast and loose with employment law who willingly set out to break

that law. we will be garnering whatever support we can to see that every single one of those 800 seafarers. the government should not let this stand, we certainly will not let this stand and p&0 should not let this stand and p&0 should not get away with it. not let this stand and p80 should not get away with it.— prince william has expressed "profound sorrow" at "abhorrent" slavery in a speech to dignitaries during his visit to jamaica. the duke and duchess of cambridge are currently on the second leg of their tour of the caribbean in honour of the queen's platinum jubilee. 0ur royal correspondentjonny dymond reports from kingston and just a warning his report contains flash photography. in swept the couple for dinner with the great and the good ofjamaica. ever since this trip was announced, a question hung over it, how would william address the issue of slavery? the brutal exploitation of hundreds of thousands of enslaved africans when jamaica

was run by britain. i strongly agree with my father, the prince of wales, who said in barbados last year that the appalling atrocity of slavery for ever stains our history. i want to express my profound sorrow. slavery was abhorrent and it should never have happened. this has been quite a political part of the caribbean tour. earlier, the jamaican prime minister made very clear to the couple in front of the cameras that he wanted an end to the role of the queen as the head of state here and to the constitutional link to britain.

william tried to answer some of the questions about britain's past injamaica with his speech. less clear is what the royal family's future, if any, is in a truly independentjamaica. jonny dymond, bbc news, kingston. our community affairs correspondent adina campbell is here. this trips to jamaica has become rather political.— rather political. there have been some pictures — rather political. there have been some pictures which _ rather political. there have been some pictures which have - rather political. there have been some pictures which have been i some pictures which have been heavily criticised, that has been backlash over the way they were seen negating some of the children through the metal fence. negating some of the children through the metalfence. some negating some of the children through the metal fence. some are suggesting it reinforces the past colonial images which the royals would have wanted to avoid considering the issues over the last few days. there has been at this

ongoing build—up of tension over calls about slavery reparations, there was a protest this week outside the british high commission in kingston where campaigners were calling for an apology and recognition of britain to take responsibility and its role in the slave trade. this is something prince william touched on in his speech, he said slavery should never has happened, it was abhorrent and would remain a stain on a history and this feeds into a wider debate about notjust and this feeds into a wider debate about not just the and this feeds into a wider debate about notjust the past but more recent experiences which have impacted the caribbean community in the uk, everything about the windrush scandal, live stand—up take—down and devastated by home office mistakes, people being detained and deported and denied housing, it is a wider discussion about the impact this has had not just on caribbean migrants here but

caribbean people. another issue yesterday was the of jamaica becoming a republic, the jamaican prime minister setting out his vision for the future, saying he wanted to see them becoming a republic and that would follow in the footsteps of barbados which remove the queen as head of state. there is the sense that jamaica is taking its own path, a senior government official within the jamaican government i spoke to said there was a feeling jamaica would now dictate its own future. it is tricky because it is written within the constitution, there is a legal process to follow but it probably may happen in the next 12 months so we are watching developments closely. the family of a young woman who was kidnapped by her ex—boyfriend has told the bbc they finally feel they ve got some justice after his sentence was almost doubled yesterday. angel lynn was 19 when she was bundled into a van by chay bowskill in 2020 before falling

from the vehicle at 60 miles an hour, suffering life—changing injuries. bowskill�*s sentence of seven and a half years has been increased to 12. rachel stonehouse was in court. emotions running high, just minutes after angel's family were told chay bowskill�*s sentence would be increased to 12 years. i'm really pleased with the outcome. i'm glad we did it. to be fair, when they went in, i thought, this is not going to go our way. but i'm pleased. even though angel's going to be poorly for a lot longer, you know, we've done what we could do and now we can move on and look after angel. i'm relieved that this bit�*s over now so we can just concentrate on getting angel back home, and we don't have to worry about all the stress of everything. i'm so pleased. caught on cctv, this is the moment angel is kidnapped by her then boyfriend, chay bowskill, in september 2020. he forces her into a van,

which is then driven off by his friend, rocco sansome. just a few minutes later, angel falls out of the van, which was travelling at 60 miles per hour, sustaining life—changing injuries. injanuary, bowskill was sentenced to seven and a half years for kidnap, coercive control during their relationship, and pressurising his mum to withdraw her police statement. his friend rocco sansome was sentenced to 21 months. because of requests by the public, the attorney general�*s office reviewed the sentences and considered they were unduly lenient, meaning they were then referred to the court of appeal to make a final decision. the judge yesterday increased bowskill�*s sentence to 12 years to reflect the seriousness of the kidnap. she also said sansome should have beenjailed for longer, but left his sentence unchanged. there were tears and huge sighs of relief in the courtroom and outside afterwards. when we found out, we were over the moon. all our reaction in the room was like, "wow!" then all tears.

yeah, we are really happy. it's very hard. but i mean, we all support each other in a way and everyone's there for each other. but the main reason that we are all doing this is for angel. angel's family and friends say they're incredibly grateful for the public support and are now focused on getting her home and giving her the best future they can. rachel stonehouse, bbc news. finally, the war has been particularly traumatic for the children of ukraine. but some are seeking comfort in an artistic way — as tim allman explains. how do you explain war to a child? how do they process the horror they are witnessing? for two ukrainian parents one answer was to offer a creative outlet with paper, pencils and crayons. they set up a social media account and let children use art as a way to channel the trauma of war. we definitely feel an urgent need

to give them a safety space so that they could switch their focus, switch their reality from the war, from tanks and bombs and missiles. hundreds of drawings, all from ukrainian children, some showing family and friends, some showing angels, some showing tanks. one girl from 0desa drew a portrait of her mother who is now serving in the army trying to protect her hometown. this picture is really like ukraine, beautiful, very beautiful woman with flowers. very brave. brave, strong. she must protect herself with a weapon. as the war goes on, more paintings, drawings and illustrations will surely follow. their message crystal clear, like only a child can convey. tim allman, bbc news.

now it's time for a look at the weather with louise. hello, then, hasn't it been a glorious week of weather so far? we've had cool, misty nights leading to plenty of clear skies, plenty of spring sunshine and warmth. this was wiltshire just a few hours ago, but i could have shown you several weather watcher pictures. they really are quite beautiful at the moment as the high pressure dominates the weather story. there is a weak weather front toppling across that high, and that is bringing some subtle changes into scotland. northern ireland, north west england. this was cumbria just a few hours ago, so a little more in the way of cloud. and perhaps as we go through the afternoon, maybe the odd isolated shower here. but elsewhere we keep the blue sky sunshine, light winds, temperatures responding quite nicely into the afternoon, peaking between 19, possibly one or two areas seeing 20 degrees yet again. now, as we go through the night, we will keep those clear skies around, so temperatures again

falling away quite sharply to a chilly night to come with some mist around as well. even the cloud will tend to thin. it will linger across parts of northern ireland here, not quite as cold a start, but elsewhere a chilly one, but again, lots of sunshine to look out for for friday. now, any low cloud and mist will lift quite readily away. we'll see more in the way of sunshine, generally through northwest england, northern ireland and for the bulk of scotland on friday, as the high pressurejust changes its position a little. and again, those temperatures are likely to range from 12 to 19 degrees across the country. now, as we move into the weekend, the high pressure continues to drift its way that little bit further west and the wind direction changes somewhat. there'll be a fresher breeze, particularly through the channel, and we'll start to see a little more in the way of cloud and even inland. some of that cloud will burn away, butjust cling on to the coastline as we go through saturday afternoon. not quite as warm for some, but 12 to 19 degrees, particularly inland with the sunshine. there'll be more low cloud mist and merck on sunday, particularly

and murk on sunday, particularly across england and wales. bear that in mind for mothering sunday here. temperatures not quite as promising the best of the sunshine in scotland, where we could see 16 or 17 degrees the high. but it's this cooler trend that looks likely to return as we move into next week, the blues really pushing far south. so as we go into next week, we close out the month of march. we're likely to see a different face of spring cooler again, potentially with some wintry showers in the northeast.

today at1pm... a warning that the government's mini—budget won't stop millions being pushed into poverty by the soaring cost of food and energy. the chancellor defends his plans. so, whilst i can't solve every problem, and i've always tried to be honest about that, where we can make a difference, i want to, and the plan we announced yesterday will put billions of pounds back in the pockets of hard—working british families. this is the biggest fall in living standards, this year, since the 1950s. that's a disaster for working people, for the poorest people in society, who are struggling. and i'm ben brown, in lviv in western ukraine. a month after russia invaded this country, the president appeals for people around the world to come out on the streets and protest against the war.

in the occupied port city of berdiansk,