this satellite image shows hundreds of people queueing outside a supermarket. stranded and cut off, getting hold of food has been tough. translation: we are dog poor, standing by the fire, homeless. i how long is it going to take? we have nowhere to take a shower, we're drinking water from god knows where. the ukrainian government has now sent 45 evacuation buses to mariupol. today russia says it will briefly ceasefire there so people can finally leave but that promise has been made before and broken. anna foster, bbc news, lviv. a reminder of that latest lane, russia has said it has barred eu's top leadership from entering the country in response to what it described as anti—russian policies. now,

we have a special live debate programme, global questions, on the ukraine war. let's cross live now to zeinab badawi in warsaw. hello. hejoined me in the magnificent central hall of the waterside technology university for this special edition of the global questions. i've got a terrific audience here who are going to be putting their questions to my panel. now, poland is pushing for a much more muscular response to putin from the european union, after all, it is bearing the brunt economically of hosting two and half million ukrainian refugees. we will be asking whether europe is playing a leading role in trying to end the war, or is it not being robust enoughin war, or is it not being robust enough in standing up to moscow?

applause i've got a top panel of politicians from across europe and one leading commentator who are going to be answering some tough questions from our audience here in warsaw. so, let me introduce you to my guests, martin, poland's deputy foreign minister. he knows ukraine well because you were a student in kyiv, when you? i because you were a student in kyiv, when ou? . , because you were a student in kyiv, when ou? .,, . because you were a student in kyiv, when you?— because you were a student in kyiv, when ou? ., . . ., , when you? i was an exchange student there, when you? i was an exchange student there. yes- — when you? i was an exchange student there, yes. great. _ when you? i was an exchange student there, yes. great. and _ when you? i was an exchange student there, yes. great. and our— when you? i was an exchange student there, yes. great. and our minister i there, yes. great. and our minister for eumpean _ there, yes. great. and our minister for european affairs _ there, yes. great. and our minister for european affairs in _ there, yes. great. and our minister for european affairs in finland. - for european affairs in finland. now, this is a plucky country that has a long border with russia. you say you have been in a perpetual state of readiness for war for many

decades. welcome to you. hannah, an mp and the ukrainian parliament until 2019, when you are head of the committee on foreign affairs, but you are now chair of the activist organisation democracy in action, so welcome to you. and one of the year's leading political commentators, and the director of the german marshall fund. joining us in the united states, where he lives, is andrzej, the first foreign minister of russia after the break—up of the soviet union, and he was in office until 1996. but you continue and russian politics for some years after that. so my audience here, please give my panel audience here, please give my panel a very warm round of applause. applause now, i know we've got so much to get through, so let's go straightaway to

our first question, and through, so let's go straightaway to ourfirst question, and it's through, so let's go straightaway to our first question, and it's from you, julia, julia what do you want to ask my panel?— to ask my panel? how can we help ukrainians. — to ask my panel? how can we help ukrainians, especially _ to ask my panel? how can we help ukrainians, especially those - to ask my panel? how can we help ukrainians, especially those ten i to ask my panel? how can we help. ukrainians, especially those ten and half million who are either displaced or refugees. deputy foreian displaced or refugees. deputy foreign minister, _ displaced or refugees. deputy foreign minister, poland - displaced or refugees. deputy foreign minister, poland hasl displaced or refugees. deputy i foreign minister, poland has two displaced or refugees. deputy - foreign minister, poland has two and half million of the three and half million refugees. the others are all internally displaced people. what can we do? ~ , internally displaced people. what can we do?— internally displaced people. what can we do? ~ , ., ., ., ~ can we do? well, first of all, thank ou ve can we do? well, first of all, thank you very much _ can we do? well, first of all, thank you very much for _ can we do? well, first of all, thank you very much for organising - can we do? well, first of all, thank you very much for organising this l you very much for organising this important — you very much for organising this important and timely discussion, especially— important and timely discussion, especially the fact that it's being done _ especially the fact that it's being done down here in the capital city of poland, warsaw. answering julia, your question, well, first about them _ your question, well, first about them i— your question, well, first about them i think we need to stop this barbarit— them i think we need to stop this barbaric aggression of russian —— russia _ barbaric aggression of russian —— russia and — barbaric aggression of russian —— russia and ukraine. those refugees have two— russia and ukraine. those refugees have two flee their country and are still in _ have two flee their country and are still in poland, germany, slovakia, they would — still in poland, germany, slovakia, they would love to go home, to be honest _ they would love to go home, to be honest i've— they would love to go home, to be honest. i've been talking to many of them to— honest. i've been talking to many of them to man the only thing they want is to go— them to man the only thing they want is to go back to join their families

and ukraine dashed ukraine. so we have to _ and ukraine dashed ukraine. so we have to do — and ukraine dashed ukraine. so we have to do whatever it is possible to bring _ have to do whatever it is possible to bring peace down there in that ukraine — to bring peace down there in that ukraine. but to bring peace down there in that ukraine. �* ., ., , ., to bring peace down there in that ukraine. �* ., ., i. ., to bring peace down there in that ukraine. �* ., ., ., ., ukraine. but what do you do about them humanitarian _ ukraine. but what do you do about them humanitarian crisis _ ukraine. but what do you do about them humanitarian crisis becausel them humanitarian crisis because brats are not, poland has received more 2.5 million because the figures you mentioned are more 2.5 million because the figures you mentioned— you mentioned are the people who cross the place _ you mentioned are the people who cross the place ukrainian - you mentioned are the people who cross the place ukrainian border, l cross the place ukrainian border, but a _ cross the place ukrainian border, but a lot— cross the place ukrainian border, but a lot of— cross the place ukrainian border, but a lot of ukrainians who cross hungarian — but a lot of ukrainians who cross hungarian border, romanian border, stovakian— hungarian border, romanian border, slovakian border and join their friends — slovakian border and join their friends and relatives down here in poland _ friends and relatives down here in poland so — friends and relatives down here in poland. so what we need to do is offer— poland. so what we need to do is offer them — poland. so what we need to do is offer them shelter, that's what we are doing — offer them shelter, that's what we are doing down here in poland, local authorities. — are doing down here in poland, local authorities, central government is doing _ authorities, central government is doing whatever is possible. what else? _ doing whatever is possible. what else? 0t— doing whatever is possible. what else? of course, many of them, they want to— else? of course, many of them, they want to go— else? of course, many of them, they want to go to — else? of course, many of them, they want to go to the other countries, and if— want to go to the other countries, and if they— want to go to the other countries, and if they want to, the other countries _ and if they want to, the other countries can also help us with regard — countries can also help us with regard to — countries can also help us with regard to that. what we can do, of course, _ regard to that. what we can do, of course, is — regard to that. what we can do, of course, is offer more humanitarian assistance — course, is offer more humanitarian assistance through the south of poland — assistance through the south of poland stop by but you want money from the _ poland stop by but you want money from the eu to do that? you say

poland _ from the eu to do that? you say poland cannot cope on its own. we can of— poland cannot cope on its own. we can of course handle this. our neighhour— can of course handle this. our neighbour to step back but can of course handle this. our neighbour to step back but you are askin: for neighbour to step back but you are asking for help. — neighbour to step back but you are asking for help, though? - neighbour to step back but you are asking for help, though? the - neighbour to step back but you are| asking for help, though? the more financial assistance, _ asking for help, though? the more financial assistance, especially - financial assistance, especially from _ financial assistance, especially from the — financial assistance, especially from the european union, that is our 'oint from the european union, that is our joint responsibility. you from the european union, that is our joint responsibility.— joint responsibility. you are the minister for _ joint responsibility. you are the minister for european - joint responsibility. you are the minister for european affairs i joint responsibility. you are the minister for european affairs in | ministerfor european affairs in finland, so, so far it doesn't seem like those countries that are really bearing the brunt of accepting that refugees are really getting as much assistance from the european union assistance from the european union as they would like. this assistance from the european union as they would like.— as they would like. this is a 'oint issue, as they would like. this is a 'oint and _ as they would like. this is a 'oint and we i as they would like. this is a 'oint issue, and we have i as they would like. this is a 'oint issue, and we have to i as they would like. this is a 'oint issue, and we have to act h issue, and we have to act together, and we need to grenade our actions together. and for that reason, we have activated our temporary protection direction which allows ukrainian refugees to get a temporary residence permit and each and every eu country. that's already clear now that we have set back —— solidarity and we want to help desperately desperately want to help those that are vulnerable, women, children, those with disabilities. i would like to see and i would like

to see the eu performing together in the institutional framework at that european union. we have means now we should show solidarity. but european union. we have means now we should show solidarity.— should show solidarity. but you have slovakia, romania, _ should show solidarity. but you have slovakia, romania, hungary- should show solidarity. but you have slovakia, romania, hungary and - slovakia, romania, hungary and obviously poland as we have been discussing some of countries and obviously poland as we have been discussing some of countries in the eu that have been on the front line of the refugees. and those who haven't been as quick to receive those.~ haven't been as quick to receive those. ~ ., ., , haven't been as quick to receive those. . ., ., , , ., those. we have always been an advocate for — those. we have always been an advocate for bread _ those. we have always been an advocate for bread and - those. we have always been an j advocate for bread and sharing. those. we have always been an - advocate for bread and sharing. we are ready for that. we have european instruments for that, but we should activate our institutional framework for that reason and i hope that we can finally agree to our migration pact which has been negotiated for too long now. this is high time to act together. too long now. this is high time to act together-— act together. hannah, you are ukrainian. _ act together. hannah, you are ukrainian, so _ act together. hannah, you are ukrainian, so what _ act together. hannah, you are ukrainian, so what help, - act together. hannah, you are ukrainian, so what help, whatj act together. hannah, you are l ukrainian, so what help, what is your answer tojulia when she says how can we help the ukrainian refugees and those who are internally displaced? i refugees and those who are internally displaced? i think the best answer _ internally displaced? i think the best answer to _ internally displaced? i think the best answer to your _ internally displaced? i think the best answer to your question i internally displaced? i think the best answer to your question is | internally displaced? i think the l best answer to your question is to protect— best answer to your question is to protect the — best answer to your question is to protect the sky _

best answer to your question is to protect the sky. every _ best answer to your question is to protect the sky. every day - best answer to your question is to protect the sky. every day at - best answer to your question is to i protect the sky. every day at russia is bomharding— protect the sky. every day at russia is bombarding ukraine. _ protect the sky. every day at russia is bombarding ukraine. it’s- protect the sky. every day at russia is bombarding ukraine. it's a- is bombarding ukraine. it's a secific is bombarding ukraine. it's a specific question _ is bombarding ukraine. it's a specific question about - is bombarding ukraine. it's a specific question about the l specific question about the refugees, we know that ukrainians, nato, please send a five zone, that was the question. we nato, please send a five zone, that was the question.— was the question. we are talking about 2.5 million _ was the question. we are talking about 2.5 million ukrainian - was the question. we are talking . about 2.5 million ukrainian refugees in poland. _ about 2.5 million ukrainian refugees in poland. hut— about 2.5 million ukrainian refugees in poland, but as _ about 2.5 million ukrainian refugees in poland, but as deputy— about 2.5 million ukrainian refugees in poland, but as deputy minister. in poland, but as deputy minister told, _ in poland, but as deputy minister told. we — in poland, but as deputy minister told. we want _ in poland, but as deputy minister told, we want to _ in poland, but as deputy minister told, we want to be _ in poland, but as deputy minister told, we want to be back - in poland, but as deputy minister told, we want to be back home. i in poland, but as deputy minister. told, we want to be back home. so this is— told, we want to be back home. so this is without _ told, we want to be back home. so this is without stopping _ told, we want to be back home. so this is without stopping the - told, we want to be back home. so this is without stopping the war - told, we want to be back home. sol this is without stopping the war and punishing _ this is without stopping the war and punishing putin _ this is without stopping the war and punishing putin to _ this is without stopping the war and punishing putin to step _ this is without stopping the war and punishing putin to step it— this is without stopping the war and punishing putin to step it is- this is without stopping the war and punishing putin to step it is not- punishing putin to step it is not the solution _ punishing putin to step it is not the solution.— punishing putin to step it is not the solution. , ., ., ., the solution. there is humanitarian crisis. . . the solution. there is humanitarian crisis- -- it's — the solution. there is humanitarian crisis... it's not _ the solution. there is humanitarian crisis... it's notjust _ the solution. there is humanitarian crisis... it's notjust a _ crisis... it's not 'ust a humanitarian h crisis... it's notjust a humanitarian crisis i crisis... it's notjust a i humanitarian crisis commits crisis... it's notjust a - humanitarian crisis commits a humanitarian _ humanitarian crisis commits a humanitarian disaster- humanitarian crisis commits a| humanitarian disaster because humanitarian crisis commits a - humanitarian disaster because 70% of business _ humanitarian disaster because 70% of business stopped _ humanitarian disaster because 70% of business stopped. you _ humanitarian disaster because 70% of business stopped. you could - humanitarian disaster because 70% of business stopped. you could see i business stopped. you could see millions— business stopped. you could see millions of— business stopped. you could see millions of ukrainians _ business stopped. you could see millions of ukrainians internallyl millions of ukrainians internally displaced — millions of ukrainians internally displaced in _ millions of ukrainians internally displaced in ukraine. _ millions of ukrainians internally displaced in ukraine. they- millions of ukrainians internally displaced in ukraine. they alsol millions of ukrainians internally- displaced in ukraine. they also need humanitarian — displaced in ukraine. they also need humanitarian aid. _ displaced in ukraine. they also need humanitarian aid. but _ displaced in ukraine. they also need humanitarian aid. but what - displaced in ukraine. they also need| humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian army— humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian army need _ humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian army need is — humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian army need is weapons. _ humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian army need is weapons. it's _ humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian army need is weapons. it's a - humanitarian aid. but what ukrainian i army need is weapons. it's a maximum military— army need is weapons. it's a maximum military assistance _ army need is weapons. it's a maximum military assistance to _ army need is weapons. it's a maximum military assistance to defend _ military assistance to defend european _ military assistance to defend european values, _ military assistance to defend european values, to - military assistance to defend european values, to dependl military assistance to defend - european values, to depend ukrainian citizens _ european values, to depend ukrainian citizens this— european values, to depend ukrainian citizens this is— european values, to depend ukrainian citizens. this is why _ european values, to depend ukrainian citizens. this is why we _ european values, to depend ukrainian citizens. this is why we are _ european values, to depend ukrainian citizens. this is why we are asking i citizens. this is why we are asking president — citizens. this is why we are asking president biden_ citizens. this is why we are asking president biden during _ citizens. this is why we are asking president biden during his- citizens. this is why we are asking president biden during his visit. citizens. this is why we are asking president biden during his visit to| president biden during his visit to poland. _ president biden during his visit to poland. we —

president biden during his visit to poland, we need _ president biden during his visit to poland, we need anti—tank- president biden during his visit to poland, we need anti—tank and i poland, we need anti—tank and antimissite _ poland, we need anti—tank and antimissile systems. _ poland, we need anti—tank and antimissile systems. we- poland, we need anti-tank and antimissile systems.— poland, we need anti-tank and antimissile systems. we will come to all of this, but _ antimissile systems. we will come to all of this, but in _ antimissile systems. we will come to all of this, but in terms _ antimissile systems. we will come to all of this, but in terms of— antimissile systems. we will come to all of this, but in terms of the - all of this, but in terms of the kind of shelter and humanitarian provision that the refugees are receiving in europe, are you satisfied you are based here in west alchemy are happy? i am satisfied you are based here in west alchemy are happy?— satisfied you are based here in west alchemy are happy? i am very for the hositali . alchemy are happy? i am very for the hospitality- we _ alchemy are happy? i am very for the hospitality. we constructed _ alchemy are happy? i am very for the hospitality. we constructed a - alchemy are happy? i am very for the hospitality. we constructed a street l hospitality. we constructed a street event _ hospitality. we constructed a street event and _ hospitality. we constructed a street event and we — hospitality. we constructed a street event and we were _ hospitality. we constructed a street event and we were thinking - hospitality. we constructed a street. event and we were thinking ukrainian and poland _ event and we were thinking ukrainian and poland anthems. _ event and we were thinking ukrainian and poland anthems. bass— event and we were thinking ukrainian and poland anthems. bass playing i and poland anthems. bass playing anthems — and poland anthems. bass playing anthems but— and poland anthems. bass playing anthems. but we _ and poland anthems. bass playing anthems. but we are _ and poland anthems. bass playing anthems. but we are thankful, i and poland anthems. bass playingj anthems. but we are thankful, but and poland anthems. bass playing i anthems. but we are thankful, but we need to— anthems. but we are thankful, but we need to he _ anthems. but we are thankful, but we need to be back— anthems. but we are thankful, but we need to be back home. _ anthems. but we are thankful, but we need to be back home. iultimat- anthems. but we are thankful, but we need to be back home.— need to be back home. what is your answer to the _ need to be back home. what is your answer to the question? _ need to be back home. what is your answer to the question? is - need to be back home. what is your answer to the question? is the i need to be back home. what is your answer to the question? is the eu l answer to the question? is the eu doing enough? i answer to the question? is the eu doing enough?— answer to the question? is the eu doinu enou~h? ~ ., ., �*, doing enough? i think hannah's point that they need _ doing enough? i think hannah's point that they need to _ doing enough? i think hannah's point that they need to be _ doing enough? i think hannah's point that they need to be back _ doing enough? i think hannah's point that they need to be back home i doing enough? i think hannah's point that they need to be back home is i that they need to be back home is very important. there is not connection between humanitarian crisis and war. so once we stop it, we need to be billed ukraine, but when you ask about the people who are already here, you know, number one, poland is the main bridge from ukraine to europe, so poland will need support with a large number of

our ukrainian brothers and sisters. 500 km border with ukraine can have in you, poland. 500 km border with ukraine can have in you. poland-— in you, poland. yes, we do. poland is the main — in you, poland. yes, we do. poland is the main hub, _ in you, poland. yes, we do. poland is the main hub, the _ in you, poland. yes, we do. poland is the main hub, the first _ in you, poland. yes, we do. poland is the main hub, the first stop on . is the main hub, the first stop on theirjourney further is the main hub, the first stop on their journey further west. is the main hub, the first stop on theirjourney further west. but it shouldn't be only our responsibility. it shouldn't be only the eu's responsibility commits the world's responsibility, because this is the biggest migration crisis since world war ii. find is the biggest migration crisis since world war ii.— is the biggest migration crisis since world war ii. �* , , ., since world war ii. and the speed at which it's happened. _ since world war ii. and the speed at which it's happened. i— since world war ii. and the speed at which it's happened. i must - since world war ii. and the speed at which it's happened. i must mention mulled over, because although it's not in the european union, a population of two and half million and it's got more than 300,000 ukrainian refugees, so after —— actually per capita commits to pay for that largest number. the eu has to do something to help moldovan, right? to do something to help moldovan, riuht? ~ , ,., , to do something to help moldovan, riht? , , ., to do something to help moldovan, rihm.t? , , . , to do something to help moldovan, riahm.t? , , . , right? absolutely, but not 'ust the euro ean right? absolutely, but not 'ust the european union, i right? absolutely, but not 'ust the european union, others i right? absolutely, but notjust the european union, others as - right? absolutely, but notjust the european union, others as well, i right? absolutely, but notjust the i european union, others as well, the west. , . european union, others as well, the west. . . . , . . , west. julia, i hope that has answered _ west. julia, i hope that has answered your _ west. julia, i hope that has answered your question. i west. julia, i hope that has i answered your question. now to west. julia, i hope that has - answered your question. now to our second question from antennae. what second question from antennae. what will the increasing _ second question from antennae. twist will the increasing number second question from antennae. “wrist will the increasing number of refugees and poland as well as other eu member states mean for the economies of these countries? let’s

economies of these countries? let's come back to _ economies of these countries? let's come back to you, _ economies of these countries? let's come back to you, deputy _ economies of these countries? let's come back to you, deputy foreign minister. ~ , . , minister. well, there is a big challenge — minister. well, there is a big challenge for _ minister. well, there is a big challenge for all _ minister. well, there is a big challenge for all of _ minister. well, there is a big challenge for all of us, i minister. well, there is a big challenge for all of us, for. minister. well, there is a big l challenge for all of us, for the polish — challenge for all of us, for the polish state and for bullish economy, of course, there are positive — economy, of course, there are positive results of this, there are people. — positive results of this, there are people, mainly many of them are very well educated, they want to start a new life _ well educated, they want to start a new life down here. there are a lot of people _ new life down here. there are a lot of people trying to establish new business. — of people trying to establish new business, there were already some rules— business, there were already some rules changing for them, so the government is trying to help them, but of— government is trying to help them, but of course, and the short time, it is a _ but of course, and the short time, it is a challenge for all of us. we need _ it is a challenge for all of us. we need to— it is a challenge for all of us. we need to help them financially, we need _ need to help them financially, we need to— need to help them financially, we need to offer than the social benefits, we need to offer them accommodation. many of them, the vast majority of those refugees are women _ vast majority of those refugees are women with kids. their kids, they must _ women with kids. their kids, they must go _ women with kids. their kids, they must go to— women with kids. their kids, they must go to school. the schooling system _ must go to school. the schooling system in — must go to school. the schooling system in poland needs to be, i don't _ system in poland needs to be, i don't know, extended. more classes, more _ don't know, extended. more classes, more teachers. this is all very, very— more teachers. this is all very, very important. and to do that, we

need _ very important. and to do that, we need support from our partners and allies. _ need support from our partners and allies, mainly the eu and nato, of course _ allies, mainly the eu and nato, of course. . . . , allies, mainly the eu and nato, of course. . . ., , allies, mainly the eu and nato, of course. . . . , , . allies, mainly the eu and nato, of course. . . ., , . , . allies, mainly the eu and nato, of course. . . , . , . . course. poland has been a bit of a rebel member _ course. poland has been a bit of a rebel member of _ course. poland has been a bit of a rebel member of the _ course. poland has been a bit of a rebel member of the european i course. poland has been a bit of a i rebel member of the european union. all sorts of disagreements with them over the independence that my clinic that's more of a family dispute. 0k, a family dispute, and they have been withholding funds. applause i don't know what they are clapping for a way agree with you, me, the fact is they been withholding funds from poland. do you see this as an opportunity of saying to the european union, love, we are shouldering this big burden now, you must see us in a more favourable light stop that i think it's quite natural, all of the things that are foreseen, from the polish economy to support us the neck should be sped up support us the neck should be sped up right now given the fact that there are 2.5 million people really waiting for there are 2.5 million people really waitin: . . there are 2.5 million people really waitin . . , , there are 2.5 million people really waitin. ., . , , there are 2.5 million people really waitin: . . , , , there are 2.5 million people really waitina ., . , , , , there are 2.5 million people really waitina . , waiting for a support. so this is a aood waiting for a support. so this is a good moment. — waiting for a support. so this is a good moment, and _ waiting for a support. so this is a good moment, and kind - waiting for a support. so this is a good moment, and kind of- waiting for a support. so this is a good moment, and kind of also l good moment, and kind of also face—saving exit strategy for the institutions of brussels to give us

this money. can institutions of brussels to give us this money-— institutions of brussels to give us this mone . . . , . . this money. can the european union coe this money. can the european union co -e at this money. can the european union cope at this? _ this money. can the european union cope at this? we — this money. can the european union cope at this? we are _ this money. can the european union cope at this? we are already - this money. can the european union cope at this? we are already seem l cope at this? we are already seem the reordering of energy policy which is going to have a huge impact on the cost of living, it already is and so on, can the eu cope? this is and so on, can the eu cope? this is a matter of— and so on, can the eu cope? this is a matter of political— and so on, can the eu cope? this is a matter of political wealth. - and so on, can the eu cope? this is a matter of political wealth. and i a matter of political wealth. and i'm sure we will cope with this issue. first, of course, it will be a matter of costs because like the ministry said, we have to offer the refugees daycare for children, offer a translation, we have to offer public transport and so on. in the long run, iwould public transport and so on. in the long run, i would like to see this also has an opportunity to us all because our continent is ageing and we are in desperate need of a labour force. foras we are in desperate need of a labour force. for as long as the ukrainians want to stay, you are welcome in the eu member states. in finland, we would like to receive you, we would like to help you, and also we would like to help you, and also we would like to have you as workers in our labour markets because we need a labour markets because we need a

labourforce. that's not to labour markets because we need a labour force. that's not to say that we are exploiting ukrainian refugees, not at all, but i would like to see a win—win situation. than like to see a win—win situation. an invitation from our ukrainian refugees are finland stop so i must agree, but is actually a functioning economy, that is key for ukrainians resistance. — economy, that is key for ukrainians resistance, and _ economy, that is key for ukrainians resistance, and without _ economy, that is key for ukrainians resistance, and without ukrainiansl resistance, and without ukrainians which _ resistance, and without ukrainians which are — resistance, and without ukrainians which are working in factories, which — which are working in factories, which are _ which are working in factories, which are every day bringing and making — which are every day bringing and making ukraine economy stronger, this is— making ukraine economy stronger, this is what— making ukraine economy stronger, this is what i understand your point. — this is what i understand your point. but _ this is what i understand your point, but the perspective of ukraine's— point, but the perspective of ukraine's feature, of course, all ukrainian — ukraine's feature, of course, all ukrainian women and children, they have to _ ukrainian women and children, they have to come back, so this is about ukraine _ have to come back, so this is about ukraine 's_ have to come back, so this is about ukraine '5 academy now, notjust have to come back, so this is about ukraine '5 academy now, not just to win the _ ukraine '5 academy now, not just to win the war. — ukraine '5 academy now, not just to win the war, but it's also about a future _ win the war, but it's also about a future because ukrainians are really well educated, 98% of ukrainian society— well educated, 98% of ukrainian society is— well educated, 98% of ukrainian society is higher education, in the most _ society is higher education, in the most advanced startups, it's ukrainians. this is why, i understand it's a global competition

for rain. _ understand it's a global competition for rain, but this is brain drain from— for rain, but this is brain drain from the _ for rain, but this is brain drain from the ukraine —— from ukraine and we have _ from the ukraine —— from ukraine and we have to _ from the ukraine —— from ukraine and we have to stop this brain drain. let's _ we have to stop this brain drain. let's go — we have to stop this brain drain. let's go to— we have to stop this brain drain. let's go to our next question now. has made or done everything possible to protect its eastern flank? has made or done — to protect its eastern flank? has made or done everything possible to protect its eastern flank? i made or done everything possible to protect its eastern flank?— protect its eastern flank? i thought ou miaht protect its eastern flank? i thought you might come — protect its eastern flank? i thought you might come this _ protect its eastern flank? i thought you might come this way. - protect its eastern flank? i thought you might come this way. thank i protect its eastern flank? i thought l you might come this way. thank you for the _ you might come this way. thank you for the excellent _ you might come this way. thank you for the excellent question. - you might come this way. thank you for the excellent question. look, i you might come this way. thank you for the excellent question. look, we as nato. _ for the excellent question. look, we as nato. yes. — for the excellent question. look, we as nato. yes. we _ for the excellent question. look, we as nato, yes, we have _ for the excellent question. look, we as nato, yes, we have stopped i as nato, yes, we have stopped putting — as nato, yes, we have stopped putting coming _ as nato, yes, we have stopped putting coming to _ as nato, yes, we have stopped putting coming to nato - as nato, yes, we have stopped l putting coming to nato territory, but unfortunately, _ putting coming to nato territory, but unfortunately, we _ putting coming to nato territory, but unfortunately, we have - putting coming to nato territory, | but unfortunately, we have failed when _ but unfortunately, we have failed when it _ but unfortunately, we have failed when it comes _ but unfortunately, we have failed when it comes to _ but unfortunately, we have failed when it comes to deterring - but unfortunately, we have failed i when it comes to deterring pollutant from attacking — when it comes to deterring pollutant from attacking ukraine. _ when it comes to deterring pollutant from attacking ukraine. so - when it comes to deterring pollutant from attacking ukraine. so we - when it comes to deterring pollutant from attacking ukraine. so we have i from attacking ukraine. so we have not done _ from attacking ukraine. so we have not done enough _ from attacking ukraine. so we have not done enough to _ from attacking ukraine. so we have not done enough to help _ from attacking ukraine. so we have not done enough to help ukraine i not done enough to help ukraine fight and — not done enough to help ukraine fight and also _ not done enough to help ukraine fight and also push _ not done enough to help ukraine fight and also push back- not done enough to help ukraine fight and also push back this i fight and also push back this bloodied _ fight and also push back this bloodied tyrant. _ fight and also push back this bloodied tyrant. that - fight and also push back this bloodied tyrant. that said, l fight and also push back this i bloodied tyrant. that said, we are 'ust bloodied tyrant. that said, we are just in_ bloodied tyrant. that said, we are just in the — bloodied tyrant. that said, we are just in the process, _ bloodied tyrant. that said, we are just in the process, in _ bloodied tyrant. that said, we are just in the process, in the - just in the process, in the beginning _ just in the process, in the beginning of— just in the process, in the beginning of the - just in the process, in the beginning of the process i just in the process, in the i beginning of the process of just in the process, in the _ beginning of the process of changing nato, _ beginning of the process of changing nato, bringing— beginning of the process of changing nato, bringing more—

beginning of the process of changing nato, bringing more forests - beginning of the process of changing nato, bringing more forests is - beginning of the process of changing nato, bringing more forests is to- nato, bringing more forests is to poland. — nato, bringing more forests is to poland. to — nato, bringing more forests is to poland, to baltic— nato, bringing more forests is to poland, to baltic states, - nato, bringing more forests is to poland, to baltic states, to - poland, to baltic states, to romania. _ poland, to baltic states, to romania. so _ poland, to baltic states, to romania, so expect - poland, to baltic states, to romania, so expect over. poland, to baltic states, to i romania, so expect over the poland, to baltic states, to - romania, so expect over the next year, _ romania, so expect over the next year. many— romania, so expect over the next year. many more _ romania, so expect over the next year, many more forces _ romania, so expect over the next year, many more forces from - romania, so expect over the next year, many more forces from the | romania, so expect over the next - year, many more forces from the us, from france, — year, many more forces from the us, from france, hopefully— year, many more forces from the us, from france, hopefully from - year, many more forces from the us, from france, hopefully from other. from france, hopefully from other nato _ from france, hopefully from other nato members _ from france, hopefully from other nato members as _ from france, hopefully from other nato members as well, _ from france, hopefully from other nato members as well, coming i from france, hopefully from other nato members as well, coming in| from france, hopefully from other. nato members as well, coming in on the eastern — nato members as well, coming in on the eastern flank _ nato members as well, coming in on the eastern flank of _ nato members as well, coming in on the eastern flank of the _ nato members as well, coming in on the eastern flank of the alliance - nato members as well, coming in on the eastern flank of the alliance to l the eastern flank of the alliance to make _ the eastern flank of the alliance to make sure — the eastern flank of the alliance to make sure that— the eastern flank of the alliance to make sure that we _ the eastern flank of the alliance to make sure that we can _ the eastern flank of the alliance to make sure that we can deter- the eastern flank of the alliance to make sure that we can deter and l the eastern flank of the alliance to - make sure that we can deter and push back to _ make sure that we can deter and push back to ten _ make sure that we can deter and push back to ten not — make sure that we can deter and push back to ten not only— make sure that we can deter and push back to ten not only from _ make sure that we can deter and push back to ten not only from our- back to ten not only from our borders— back to ten not only from our borders but— back to ten not only from our borders but have _ back to ten not only from our borders but have chris- back to ten not only from our borders but have chris as - back to ten not only from our- borders but have chris as hannah said from — borders but have chris as hannah said from ukraine _ borders but have chris as hannah said from ukraine 's _ borders but have chris as hannah said from ukraine 's borders- borders but have chris as hannah said from ukraine 's borders as l said from ukraine 's borders as wett _ said from ukraine 's borders as well. �* , ., said from ukraine 's borders as well. �* . ., ., said from ukraine 's borders as well. �*, ., ., ,, . , well. let's go to the united states. former foreign _ well. let's go to the united states. former foreign minister— well. let's go to the united states. former foreign minister of- well. let's go to the united states. former foreign minister of russia | former foreign minister of russia during the president boris yeltsin era. 50 russia invades ukraine because it's not happy about the expansion of nato, but now we've just heard about how it's getting a stronger nato, the plan is kind of backfiring for pollutant, hasn't it? he miscalculated everything. 50 people who fight that he was a genius like some people in the united states, if he is a genius, he

isjust a united states, if he is a genius, he is just a politician who makes so many mistakes, not only on nato but also on ukrainian nation which does exist and ukrainian ability to stand against the invasion. and amongst his own army, his own army as not performing as it was expected by observers in the west because russia for 20 years, only two years he is on the top of russian power and russia is a declining country still on exports of raw materials and steel. . ~' , ., on exports of raw materials and steel. . ,, , ., . , ., steel. thank you. in finland, you are not a — steel. thank you. in finland, you are not a member _ steel. thank you. in finland, you are not a member of _ steel. thank you. in finland, you are not a member of nato, - steel. thank you. in finland, you are not a member of nato, and l steel. thank you. in finland, you l are not a member of nato, and yet you have been taking all sorts of measures to protect yourself in case

there has been an —— then you are invaded in 1939, and you've adults he can call in to take arms if anything happens. so as nato partner to nato, we are as close as one can the we are part of the western spare, and i have stated very clearly that finland is. we have joined the european union in the of the western sphere, and that is clear and also what putin knows and understands. russia and finland, russia, you understands. russia and finland, russia. you— understands. russia and finland, russia, 35:1: ,, ~ ~ ., russia, you 1300 km. and you know, it is there every _ russia, you 1300 km. and you know, it is there every morning _

russia, you 1300 km. and you know, it is there every morning i _ russia, you 1300 km. and you know, it is there every morning i wake up. i it is there every morning i wake up. russia _ it is there every morning i wake up. russia is— it is there every morning i wake up. russia is there. it�*s it is there every morning i wake up. russia is there.— russia is there. it's not going awa . russia is there. it's not going away- it's _ russia is there. it's not going away. it's not, _ russia is there. it's not going away. it's not, and _ russia is there. it's not going away. it's not, and under- russia is there. it's not going away. it's not, and under put| russia is there. it's not going - away. it's not, and under put in's reuime, away. it's not, and under put in's regime. it— away. it's not, and under put in's regime. it is— away. it's not, and under put in's regime, it is basically _ away. it's not, and under put in's regime, it is basically a - regime, it is basically a dictatorship, and we have to we are considering — dictatorship, and we have to we are considering whether we nato according to the maturity of our public _ according to the maturity of our public is — according to the maturity of our public is already supporting the membership into nato, but we have to have a _ membership into nato, but we have to have a democratic process in our partiament— have a democratic process in our parliament and our institutions, including — parliament and our institutions, including the president of the republic. we are now running a process— republic. we are now running a process and outcome might be an application to become a member of nato and _ application to become a member of nato and nato's open—door policy. it is cruciat— nato and nato's open—door policy. it is crucial for — nato and nato's open—door policy. it is crucial for your's sissy —— security, _ is crucial for your's sissy —— security, and we count on that and we count on— security, and we count on that and we count onjoe biden and our relationship. we count on joe biden and our relationship.— we count on joe biden and our relationship. we count on joe biden and our relationshi -. ., . relationship. you heard it here, in finland may _ relationship. you heard it here, in finland may indeed _ relationship. you heard it here, in finland may indeed join _ relationship. you heard it here, in finland may indeed join nato. - relationship. you heard it here, in| finland may indeed join nato. you finland may indeed 'oin nato. you are ve finland may indeed join nato. gm, are very welcome. finland may indeed 'oin nato. you are very welcome. i]— finland may indeed join nato. you are very welcome. i will— finland may indeed join nato. you are very welcome. i will deliver i are very welcome. i will deliver that message. _ are very welcome. i will deliver that message. ukraine - are very welcome. i will deliver that message. ukraine will - are very welcome. i will deliver| that message. ukraine will also su ort that message. ukraine will also sunport finland _ that message. ukraine will also support finland and _

that message. ukraine will also support finland and sweden - that message. ukraine will also - support finland and sweden joining support finland and swedenjoining nato, _ support finland and swedenjoining nato, and — support finland and swedenjoining nato, and actually, _ support finland and swedenjoining nato, and actually, also _ support finland and swedenjoining nato, and actually, also shortly - nato, and actually, also shortly answer — nato, and actually, also shortly answer this— nato, and actually, also shortly answer this question, _ nato, and actually, also shortly answer this question, the - nato, and actually, also shortly answer this question, the besti nato, and actually, also shortly i answer this question, the best way to protect — answer this question, the best way to protect eastern _ answer this question, the best way to protect eastern flank _ answer this question, the best way to protect eastern flank of - answer this question, the best way to protect eastern flank of nato . answer this question, the best way to protect eastern flank of nato is| to protect eastern flank of nato is to protect eastern flank of nato is to help _ to protect eastern flank of nato is to help ukraine _ to protect eastern flank of nato is to help ukraine defeat— to protect eastern flank of nato is to help ukraine defeat russia, - to protect eastern flank of nato is to help ukraine defeat russia, to| to help ukraine defeat russia, to help authoritarian _ to help ukraine defeat russia, to help authoritarian regimes - to help ukraine defeat russia, to. help authoritarian regimes because now and _ help authoritarian regimes because now and supply— help authoritarian regimes because now and supply ukrainian - help authoritarian regimes because now and supply ukrainian army - help authoritarian regimes becausei now and supply ukrainian army with weapons _ now and supply ukrainian army with weapons because _ now and supply ukrainian army with weapons because this _ now and supply ukrainian army with weapons because this is _ now and supply ukrainian army with weapons because this is the - now and supply ukrainian army with weapons because this is the way - now and supply ukrainian army with weapons because this is the way toi weapons because this is the way to victory— weapons because this is the way to victory of— weapons because this is the way to victory of democracy, _ weapons because this is the way to victory of democracy, freedom - weapons because this is the way to victory of democracy, freedom and| victory of democracy, freedom and actually— victory of democracy, freedom and actually sooner _ victory of democracy, freedom and actually sooner finland _ victory of democracy, freedom and actually sooner finland join - victory of democracy, freedom and actually sooner finland join nato, i actually sooner finland join nato, this is— actually sooner finland join nato, this is another— actually sooner finland join nato, this is another signal— actually sooner finland join nato, this is another signal that - actually sooner finland join nato, this is another signal that nato i this is another signal that nato open-door— this is another signal that nato open-door policy _ this is another signal that nato open—door policy is _ this is another signal that nato open—door policy is working. this is another signal that natol open—door policy is working and this is another signal that nato - open—door policy is working and next to him _ open—door policy is working and next to him after— open—door policy is working and next to him after finland, _ open—door policy is working and next to him after finland, i— open—door policy is working and next to him after finland, i hope - open—door policy is working and next to him after finland, i hope will- open—door policy is working and next to him after finland, i hope will be . to him after finland, i hope will be ukraine _ to him after finland, i hope will be ukraine stob — to him after finland, i hope will be ukraine stob i _ to him after finland, i hope will be ukraine stop i do _ to him after finland, i hope will be ukraine stop i do feel that - to him after finland, i hope will be ukraine stop i do feel that nato i ukraine stop i do feel that nato countries, — ukraine stop i do feel that nato countries, the _ ukraine stop i do feel that nato countries, the 30 _ ukraine stop i do feel that nato countries, the 30 members, i ukraine stop i do feel that nato| countries, the 30 members, are ukraine stop i do feel that nato - countries, the 30 members, are doing enough _ countries, the 30 members, are doing enough to— countries, the 30 members, are doing enou:h ., , ,, . , countries, the 30 members, are doing enou.h ., , ~' ., , ., enough to help ukraine? they are aaivin ou enough to help ukraine? they are giving you weapons, _ enough to help ukraine? they are giving you weapons, aren't - enough to help ukraine? they are giving you weapons, aren't they? | giving you weapons, aren't they? now, i think nato should do more, weinrar, _ now, i think nato should do more, weimar, because _ now, i think nato should do more, weimar, because the _ now, i think nato should do more, weimar, because the fifth - now, i think nato should do more, weimar, because the fifth article l now, i think nato should do more, | weimar, because the fifth article of nato has _ weimar, because the fifth article of nato has not — weimar, because the fifth article of nato has not been _ weimar, because the fifth article of nato has not been tested. - weimar, because the fifth article of nato has not been tested. you- weimar, because the fifth article of nato has not been tested. you have mentioned the _ nato has not been tested. you have mentioned the no _ nato has not been tested. you have mentioned the no fly _ nato has not been tested. you have mentioned the no fly zone, - nato has not been tested. you have mentioned the no fly zone, what - nato has not been tested. you have i mentioned the no fly zone, what more do you want?— do you want? anti-aaron missile s stem is do you want? anti-aaron missile system is what — do you want? anti-aaron missile system is what is _ do you want? anti-aaron missile system is what is needed - do you want? anti-aaron missile system is what is needed for - do you want? anti-aaron missile system is what is needed for us. | system is what is needed for us. more _ system is what is needed for us. more nrititary—

system is what is needed for us. more military assistance, - system is what is needed for us. more military assistance, and i more military assistance, and actually— more military assistance, and actually nato, _ more military assistance, and actually nato, i— more military assistance, and actually nato, i don't - more military assistance, and i actually nato, i don't understand why membership _ actually nato, i don't understand why membership action - actually nato, i don't understand why membership action plan - actually nato, i don't understand why membership action plan is. actually nato, i don't understand i why membership action plan is not now _ why membership action plan is not now... , , ., now... tell the deputy foreign minister that. _ now... tell the deputy foreign minister that. me _ now... tell the deputy foreign minister that. me a _ now... tell the deputy foreign minister that. me a way - now... tell the deputy foreign minister that. me a way jets i now... tell the deputy foreign i minister that. me a way jets from minister that. me a way 'ets from poland, minister that. me a way 'ets from poland. we * minister that. me a way 'ets from poland, we met h minister that. me a way 'ets from poland, we met with _ minister that. me a way jets from poland, we met with the - minister that. me a way jets from poland, we met with the state i poland, we met with the state secretary _ poland, we met with the state secretary in _ poland, we met with the state secretary in march _ poland, we met with the state secretary in march five - poland, we met with the state secretary in march five and - poland, we met with the state - secretary in march five and promised fighter— secretary in march five and promised fighterjets _ secretary in march five and promised fighterjets and — secretary in march five and promised fighterjets and megs _ secretary in march five and promised fighterjets and megs will— secretary in march five and promised fighterjets and megs will be - secretary in march five and promised fighterjets and megs will be in - fighterjets and megs will be in ukraine, — fighterjets and megs will be in ukraine, delivered, _ fighterjets and megs will be in ukraine, delivered, so- fighterjets and megs will be in ukraine, delivered, so i - fighterjets and megs will be in ukraine, delivered, so i have. ukraine, delivered, so i have questions _ ukraine, delivered, so i have questions. are _ ukraine, delivered, so i have questions. are you _ ukraine, delivered, so i have questions. are you helping . ukraine, delivered, so i havei questions. are you helping us ukraine, delivered, so i have. questions. are you helping us to ukraine, delivered, so i have- questions. are you helping us to win or not? _ questions. are you helping us to win or not? ., �* ., ., , . or not? you've got to be looking at him, or not? you've got to be looking at him. not at — or not? you've got to be looking at him, not at me. _ or not? you've got to be looking at him, not at me. it _ or not? you've got to be looking at him, not at me. it was _ or not? you've got to be looking at him, not at me. it was poland - or not? you've got to be looking at him, not at me. it was poland who | him, not at me. it was poland who didn't send them. its him, not at me. it was poland who didn't send them.— him, not at me. it was poland who didn't send them. its aggression to nato, are didn't send them. its aggression to nato. are you _ didn't send them. its aggression to nato, are you helping _ didn't send them. its aggression to nato, are you helping us _ didn't send them. its aggression to nato, are you helping us to - didn't send them. its aggression to nato, are you helping us to win - didn't send them. its aggression to nato, are you helping us to win orl nato, are you helping us to win or not to— nato, are you helping us to win or not to collapse? _ nato, are you helping us to win or not to collapse? that's _ nato, are you helping us to win or not to collapse? that's morality. nato, are you helping us to win or. not to collapse? that's morality and at the _ not to collapse? that's morality and at the nato — not to collapse? that's morality and at the nato border. _ not to collapse? that's morality and at the nato border. that _ not to collapse? that's morality and at the nato border. that is - not to collapse? that's morality and| at the nato border. that is humanity at the nato border. that is humanity at the _ at the nato border. that is humanity at the nato — at the nato border. that is humanity at the nato border. _ at the nato border. that is humanity at the nato border.— at the nato border. deputy foreign minister, what _ at the nato border. deputy foreign minister, what is _ at the nato border. deputy foreign minister, what is your _ at the nato border. deputy foreign minister, what is your answer? - minister, what is your answer? applause i would say, i mean, applause iwould say, i mean, hannah's question is probably not towards me with poland, because i think we are the most active country when it comes to nato allies and the eu

member states. it's minister, the foreign minister of ukraine who just today said that poland should be marked with an a grade when it comes to our supports to ukraine. 50 we are really doing our best. we are trying to encourage all western allies, the big economies of the eu to do more. allies, the big economies of the eu to do more-— allies, the big economies of the eu to do more. . . . . . ., to do more. hannah asked about nato. he said we are — to do more. hannah asked about nato. he said we are trying _ to do more. hannah asked about nato. he said we are trying to _ to do more. hannah asked about nato. he said we are trying to do _ to do more. hannah asked about nato. he said we are trying to do our - to do more. hannah asked about nato. he said we are trying to do our bit, - he said we are trying to do our bit, but nato acts as one big body, and it sounds like it's not doing what ukrainians wants, clearly. i it sounds like it's not doing what ukrainians wants, clearly. ithink we are doing _ ukrainians wants, clearly. ithink we are doing quite _ ukrainians wants, clearly. ithink we are doing quite a _ ukrainians wants, clearly. ithink we are doing quite a lot, - ukrainians wants, clearly. ithink we are doing quite a lot, but - ukrainians wants, clearly. ithink we are doing quite a lot, but of. we are doing quite a lot, but of course there is always room for improvement, there is always space where we can find opportunities to do a bit more with regard to the incoming support to ukraine. and i totally share your point. we need need to do more, but it's not only up need to do more, but it's not only up to poland, it's rather apt to other allies.—

up to poland, it's rather apt to other allies. the us and all the others. other allies. the us and all the others- the _ other allies. the us and all the others. the uk... _ other allies. the us and all the others. the uk... germany, i other allies. the us and all the - others. the uk... germany, france. president zelensky _ others. the uk... germany, france. president zelensky said _ others. the uk... germany, france. president zelensky said that - others. the uk... germany, france. president zelensky said that the - president zelensky said that the united kingdom has been sending the kind of weapons which is a very thin line between defensive and offensive because nato can only send defensive weapons to him about britain has kind of got a fairly elastic definition of that. mr; kind of got a fairly elastic definition of that. my colleague asked a question _ definition of that. my colleague asked a question she _ definition of that. my colleague asked a question she apply - definition of that. my colleague - asked a question she apply minister, are you _ asked a question she apply minister, are you afraid — asked a question she apply minister, are you afraid to _ asked a question she apply minister, are you afraid to come _ asked a question she apply minister, are you afraid to come to _ asked a question she apply minister, are you afraid to come to ukraine - asked a question she apply minister, are you afraid to come to ukraine 'si are you afraid to come to ukraine 's the same _ are you afraid to come to ukraine 's the same question— are you afraid to come to ukraine 's the same question to _ are you afraid to come to ukraine 's the same question to president - the same question to president biden — the same question to president biden are _ the same question to president biden are you _ the same question to president biden. are you afraid _ the same question to president biden. are you afraid to- the same question to president biden. are you afraid to come i the same question to presidentl biden. are you afraid to come to ukraine — biden. are you afraid to come to ukraine to — biden. are you afraid to come to ukraine to protect _ biden. are you afraid to come to ukraine to protect democracy? l biden. are you afraid to come to ukraine to protect democracy? let me 'ust ukraine to protect democracy? let me just mention — ukraine to protect democracy? let me just mention that _ ukraine to protect democracy? let me just mention that the _ ukraine to protect democracy? let me just mention that the prime _ ukraine to protect democracy? let me just mention that the prime minister. just mention that the prime minister poland just paid a visit to kyiv. in order to support. that poland just paid a visit to kyiv. in order to support.— order to support. that we have a ruestion order to support. that we have a question about _ order to support. that we have a question about who _ order to support. that we have a question about who is _ order to support. that we have a question about who is visiting i order to support. that we have a - question about who is visiting where and who and what, and that is from maximilian. your question, please. hello to our viewers into our audience _ hello to our viewers into our audience and _ hello to our viewers into our audience and also _ hello to our viewers into our audience and also welcome i hello to our viewers into our. audience and also welcome to hello to our viewers into our - audience and also welcome to our banetists — audience and also welcome to our panelists my— audience and also welcome to our panelists. my is— audience and also welcome to our panelists. my is a _ audience and also welcome to our panelists. my is a bit _ audience and also welcome to our panelists. my is a bit complex. i audience and also welcome to our| panelists. my is a bit complex. we have _

panelists. my is a bit complex. we have seen— panelists. my is a bit complex. we have seenjoe _ panelists. my is a bit complex. we have seenjoe biden's _ panelists. my is a bit complex. we have seenjoe biden's recent- panelists. my is a bit complex. we have seenjoe biden's recent visitl have seenjoe biden's recent visit to poland. — have seenjoe biden's recent visit to poland, which _ have seenjoe biden's recent visit to poland, which was _ have seenjoe biden's recent visit to poland, which was his- have seenjoe biden's recent visit to poland, which was his first - have seenjoe biden's recent visit| to poland, which was his first visit to poland, which was his first visit to poland — to poland, which was his first visit to poland since _ to poland, which was his first visit to poland since he _ to poland, which was his first visit to poland since he became - to poland, which was his first visit i to poland since he became president of the _ to poland since he became president of the united — to poland since he became president of the united states. _ to poland since he became president of the united states. before - to poland since he became president of the united states. before the - to poland since he became president of the united states. before the war| of the united states. before the war started _ of the united states. before the war started on— of the united states. before the war started on february— of the united states. before the war started on february 24, _ of the united states. before the war started on february 24, the - of the united states. before the war started on february 24, the us - started on february 24, the us administration _ started on february 24, the us administration was _ started on february 24, the us administration was far- started on february 24, the us administration was far less - administration was far less interested _ administration was far less interested in— administration was far less interested in the _ administration was far less interested in the relation l administration was far less i interested in the relation with potand — interested in the relation with poland and _ interested in the relation with poland and europe. _ interested in the relation with poland and europe. so- interested in the relation with poland and europe. so will. interested in the relation withi poland and europe. so will the interested in the relation with - poland and europe. so will the war in ukraine — poland and europe. so will the war in ukraine help— poland and europe. so will the war in ukraine help to— poland and europe. so will the war in ukraine help to strengthen - poland and europe. so will the war in ukraine help to strengthen the i in ukraine help to strengthen the transatlantic— in ukraine help to strengthen the transatlantic relations _ in ukraine help to strengthen the transatlantic relations and - in ukraine help to strengthen the transatlantic relations and the . transatlantic relations and the longer— transatlantic relations and the longer term, _ transatlantic relations and the longerterm, or— transatlantic relations and the longer term, or once - transatlantic relations and the longer term, or once the - transatlantic relations and the longer term, or once the war| transatlantic relations and the. longer term, or once the war is ovei’, _ longer term, or once the war is over. we — longer term, or once the war is over. we witt— longer term, or once the war is over, we will see _ longer term, or once the war is over, we will see that - longer term, or once the war is over, we will see that the - longer term, or once the war is over, we will see that the usai longer term, or once the war is. over, we will see that the usa is not realty— over, we will see that the usa is not really interested _ not really interested in maintaining security in europe.— security in europe. this is right up our security in europe. this is right up your street _ security in europe. this is right up your street as _ security in europe. this is right up your street as director _ security in europe. this is right up your street as director of - security in europe. this is right up your street as director of the - your street as director of the german marshall fund. what is your answer? . ~ german marshall fund. what is your answer? . ,, , ., , german marshall fund. what is your answer? . ,, , . german marshall fund. what is your answer? . , . , . answer? thank you very much. great cuestion. answer? thank you very much. great question- no. _ answer? thank you very much. great question- no. i— answer? thank you very much. great question. no, ithink— answer? thank you very much. great question. no, i think what _ answer? thank you very much. great question. no, i think what we - answer? thank you very much. great question. no, i think what we have l question. no, i think what we have seenin question. no, i think what we have seen in this where is actually re—foraging of the western transatlantic alliance. unfortunately in the fires of this work, this alliance had to be re—forged. we are much stronger than we were before, and actually biden is to bringing the west closer

together. his speech was getting a statement of this. it's also, as you said, i'm sure many of the viewers know, to begin changing in europe. we see in germany changing its position, we see others come in red stream two, germany spending more on defence. national red stream two. it's not enough just yet. i'm still here with hannah. ukrainians are fighting for their freedom in the future of the west. the problem is that right now, hannah, you asked, are we afraid? and there is a real concern about escalation of the war with russia, and we need to be serious about this. taste with russia, and we need to be serious about this.— with russia, and we need to be serious about this. we will come to that in a moment. _ serious about this. we will come to that in a moment. but— serious about this. we will come to that in a moment. but minister- serious about this. we will come to that in a moment. but minister for| that in a moment. but minister for european affairs from finland, what's your answer on the transatlantic relation? i what's your answer on the transatlantic relation? i would hate to see war as _ transatlantic relation? i would hate to see war as a _ transatlantic relation? i would hate to see war as a catalyst. _ transatlantic relation? i would hate

to see war as a catalyst. i - transatlantic relation? i would hate to see war as a catalyst. i think - to see war as a catalyst. i think this united _ to see war as a catalyst. i think this united cooperation between the eu and _ this united cooperation between the eu and the us should have been there. _ eu and the us should have been there. and — eu and the us should have been there, and i welcome it as it is now _ there, and i welcome it as it is now. and actually i think it caught macktin— now. and actually i think it caught macklin off guard how united and determined the west is in responding to russia's _ determined the west is in responding to russia's foolish attack against ukraine — to russia's foolish attack against ukraine -- — to russia's foolish attack against ukraine —— putin. i believe this alliance — ukraine —— putin. i believe this alliance continues, but it needs commitment from us all, but europe is ready. _ commitment from us all, but europe is ready. the — commitment from us all, but europe is ready, the eu is ready, finland is ready, the eu is ready, finland is ready— is ready, the eu is ready, finland is ready and _ is ready, the eu is ready, finland is ready and we count onjoe biden and democracy in the us that we will cooperate together. let�*s and democracy in the us that we will cooperate together.— cooperate together. let's see what andre says- _ cooperate together. let's see what andre says- it _ cooperate together. let's see what andre says. it looks _ cooperate together. let's see what andre says. it looks like _ cooperate together. let's see what andre says. it looks like a - andre says. it looks like a miscalculation by vladimir putin then, that the war in ukraine has actually strengthened the transatlantic relations when people thought it had all gone south under donald trump and so on, and so forth. it

donald trump and so on, and so forth. ., , , ~' donald trump and so on, and so forth. ., , , ,, , forth. it does, but i think it is much larger— forth. it does, but i think it is much larger economically, i forth. it does, but i think it is - much larger economically, militarily and morally— much larger economically, militarily and morally then _ much larger economically, militarily and morally then the _ much larger economically, militarily and morally then the declining - and morally then the declining russia — and morally then the declining russia regime. _ and morally then the declining russia regime. ukraine- and morally then the declining russia regime. ukraine is- and morally then the declining. russia regime. ukraine is fighting not only— russia regime. ukraine is fighting not only for— russia regime. ukraine is fighting not only for the _ russia regime. ukraine is fighting not only for the freedom - russia regime. ukraine is fighting not only for the freedom of - not only for the freedom of ukrainians— not only for the freedom of ukrainians and— not only for the freedom of ukrainians and nato, - not only for the freedom of ukrainians and nato, but. not only for the freedom of. ukrainians and nato, but also not only for the freedom of - ukrainians and nato, but also its freedom — ukrainians and nato, but also its freedom of— ukrainians and nato, but also its freedom of russia. _ ukrainians and nato, but also its freedom of russia. it— ukrainians and nato, but also its freedom of russia. it is- freedom of russia. it is unbelievable _ freedom of russia. it is unbelievable that - freedom of russia. it isj unbelievable that those freedom of russia. it is- unbelievable that those guys freedom of russia. it is— unbelievable that those guys started the war— unbelievable that those guys started the war against _ unbelievable that those guys started the waragainst our— unbelievable that those guys started the war against our brothers. - unbelievable that those guys started the war against our brothers. so- the war against our brothers. so nato _ the war against our brothers. so nato shoutd _ the war against our brothers. so nato should do _ the war against our brothers. so nato should do much— the war against our brothers. so nato should do much more, - the war against our brothers. so nato should do much more, and brethren— nato should do much more, and brethren biden _ nato should do much more, and brethren biden in _ nato should do much more, and brethren biden in warsaw- nato should do much more, and brethren biden in warsaw said l nato should do much more, and| brethren biden in warsaw said to have _ brethren biden in warsaw said to have no— brethren biden in warsaw said to have no fear _ brethren biden in warsaw said to have no fear. 0k, _ brethren biden in warsaw said to have no fear. 0k, have - brethren biden in warsaw said to have no fear. 0k, have no - brethren biden in warsaw said to have no fear. 0k, have no fear. i brethren biden in warsaw said to - have no fear. 0k, have no fear. give them _ have no fear. 0k, have no fear. give them aeroplanes, _ have no fear. 0k, have no fear. give them aeroplanes, the _ have no fear. 0k, have no fear. give them aeroplanes, the missiles, - have no fear. 0k, have no fear. give them aeroplanes, the missiles, and| them aeroplanes, the missiles, and biden_ them aeroplanes, the missiles, and biden with — them aeroplanes, the missiles, and biden with the air—

them aeroplanes, the missiles, and biden with the air defences... - biden with the air defences... thanks— biden with the air defences... thanks very— biden with the air defences... thanks very much. _ biden with the air defences... thanks very much. 0n - biden with the air defences... thanks very much. 0n the - biden with the air defences... - thanks very much. 0n the bilateral relations, did you seejoe biden when he came? you were in the foreign ministry. {lit when he came? you were in the foreign ministry.— when he came? you were in the foreign ministry._ did j when he came? you were in the - foreign ministry._ did you foreign ministry. of course. did you feel reassured _ foreign ministry. of course. did you feel reassured by _ foreign ministry. of course. did you feel reassured by what _ foreign ministry. of course. did you feel reassured by what his - foreign ministry. of course. did you feel reassured by what his words . foreign ministry. of course. did you feel reassured by what his words to | feel reassured by what his words to you about the transatlantic relationship is yellow right now we are in the most pragmatic country in europe. poland, regardless of the government, whether it's socialist or liberal as it is right now. taste or liberal as it is right now. we are very much _ or liberal as it is right now. , are very much pro—american and would love to see the transatlantic vivid and strong. it was like this throughout years, our polish american alliance is based on a solid foundation. so american alliance is based on a solid foundation.— american alliance is based on a solid foundation. so was biden and vivid and strong _ solid foundation. so was biden and vivid and strong as _ solid foundation. so was biden and vivid and strong as you _ solid foundation. so was biden and vivid and strong as you said? - solid foundation. so was biden and vivid and strong as you said? it - solid foundation. so was biden and | vivid and strong as you said? it was president obama _ vivid and strong as you said? it was president obama who _ vivid and strong as you said? it was president obama who decided - vivid and strong as you said? it was president obama who decided on . vivid and strong as you said? it "in—s president obama who decided on the deployment of american troops, nato troops in 2016. it was donald trump

who decided to strengthen this presence in poland, and right now president biden is deciding about being more active. 50 we are absolutely reassured that article five is safe and we are more united than ever. 0f five is safe and we are more united than ever. of course, one bitter comment — i think that right now we need to prepare for defence policy rather than offence. there were 20 years to defend russia, and —— deter russia, and some were trying to do business with russia. we've lost time, unfortunately we've not managed to really deter russia. now is the time to really defend ourselves and to help our ukrainian brothers. 50 ourselves and to help our ukrainian brothers. , , . ,, brothers. so who's been flaking, in our brothers. so who's been flaking, in your opinion? _ brothers. so who's been flaking, in your opinion? it — brothers. so who's been flaking, in your opinion? it was _ brothers. so who's been flaking, in your opinion? it was already - your opinion? it was already mentioned _ your opinion? it was already mentioned we _ your opinion? it was already mentioned we were - your opinion? it was alreadyj mentioned we were strongly your opinion? it was already - mentioned we were strongly opposing nord stream ii... share mentioned we were strongly opposing nord stream ii. . ._ nord stream ii. .. are you talking about germany _ nord stream ii. .. are you talking

about germany and _ nord stream ii. .. are you talking about germany and its _ nord stream ii. .. are you talking about germany and its policy? i i nord stream ii. .. are you talking i about germany and its policy? i was only saying what was on your mind, but you're talking about germany's policy, engagement with russia. it’s policy, engagement with russia. it's not policy, engagement with russia. it�*s not about blaming and shaming right now, right now we need to build a unity, but we've lost a bit of time. it was poland warning all the time... ., �* , . ., time... you're being unfair to germany- _ time... you're being unfair to germany- we _ time... you're being unfair to germany. we warned - time... you're being unfair to germany. we warned russia | time... you're being unfair to . germany. we warned russia was unreliable. _ germany. we warned russia was unreliable, but _ germany. we warned russia was unreliable, but since _ germany. we warned russia was unreliable, but since 2000 - germany. we warned russia was unreliable, but since 2000 when j germany. we warned russia was i unreliable, but since 2000 when a former kgb officer became president, it's not reliable any more. when georgia was invaded, it was the polish president warning the world, saying, "today it's georgia, then it could be ukraine and poland tomorrow." this scenario is somehow being unfortunately done. i tomorrow.�* this scenario is somehow being unfortunately done.— being unfortunately done. i think the germans _ being unfortunately done. i think the germans would _ being unfortunately done. i think the germans would say - being unfortunately done. i think the germans would say look, - being unfortunately done. i think the germans would say look, in l being unfortunately done. i think- the germans would say look, in light of the ukraine war, we've shifted our position when it comes to russia, they are saying they'll

being themselves off russian energy by 24. nord stream ii has been suspended and very few people think it will be revived, and they are now also sending weapons and defence to ukraine. i also sending weapons and defence to ukraine. ., ~' also sending weapons and defence to ukraine. ., ,, ., , ukraine. i would like to believe this, but ukraine. i would like to believe this. but we — ukraine. i would like to believe this, but we must _ ukraine. i would like to believe this, but we must member - ukraine. i would like to believe i this, but we must member there ukraine. i would like to believe - this, but we must member there the soviet way of thinking — believe, but check. we believe our german partners, but we need to check whether it's reality, or it's just a verbal shift. whether it's reality, or it's 'ust a verbal mi whether it's reality, or it's 'ust a verbal alibi verbal shift. i've given some examples — verbal shift. i've given some examples of _ verbal shift. i've given some examples of how _ verbal shift. i've given some examples of how germany l verbal shift. i've given some| examples of how germany is verbal shift. i've given some - examples of how germany is shifting its position. you've talked to the deputy foreign minister about moving from deterrence of defence, leading us to our next question.— us to our next question. given the circumstances developing - us to our next question. given the circumstances developing in - us to our next question. given the circumstances developing in the l circumstances developing in the eastern — circumstances developing in the eastern part— circumstances developing in the eastern part of— circumstances developing in the eastern part of the _ circumstances developing in the eastern part of the continent, . eastern part of the continent, should — eastern part of the continent, should the _ eastern part of the continent, should the european - eastern part of the continent, should the european union. eastern part of the continent, . should the european union form eastern part of the continent, - should the european union form its own army— should the european union form its own army to— should the european union form its own army to stop _ should the european union form its own army to stop depending - should the european union form its own army to stop depending on - own army to stop depending on america — own army to stop depending on america militarily, _ own army to stop depending on america militarily, and - own army to stop depending on

america militarily, and be - own army to stop depending on america militarily, and be able| own army to stop depending on . america militarily, and be able to react— america militarily, and be able to react more — america militarily, and be able to react more swiftly _ america militarily, and be able to react more swiftly against - america militarily, and be able to react more swiftly against any - react more swiftly against any possible — react more swiftly against any possible aggression? - react more swiftly against any possible aggression? the - react more swiftly against any possible aggression? the minister from finland. _ possible aggression? the minister from finland, your— possible aggression? the minister from finland, your answer. - possible aggression? the minister from finland, your answer. i - possible aggression? the minister. from finland, your answer. i believe ou have from finland, your answer. i believe you have every _ from finland, your answer. i believe you have every reason _ from finland, your answer. i believe you have every reason to _ from finland, your answer. i believe you have every reason to defence i from finland, your answer. i believe| you have every reason to defence the defence security cooperation. we have a strategic compass that's been adopted by the council, meaning we will strengthen our cooperation in the field of defence. the eu is much more thanjust a the field of defence. the eu is much more than just a military power, its not a military alliance, it's it's not a military alliance, it's in a economic power. we should use our influence to better promote our interests and values. lbs, our influence to better promote our interests and values.— interests and values. a european standinr interests and values. a european standing army? _ interests and values. a european standing army? there's - interests and values. a european standing army? there's been - interests and values. a european l standing army? there's been some talk revived about that, saying you can't get any consensus from nato, too many countries, let's have our own smaller coalition european army. i'd like to emphasise that we have

mutual assistance clause in our articles, article 42.7, which says if one country is attacked, the other countries are obliged to assist, and it is very important for finland and i think nowadays we all understand that we have the strength and solidarity. but at the end, we have nato and most other eu countries are members are of nato, and we don't want to create anything thatis and we don't want to create anything that is competing, but complementary to nato. we understand this reality in the eu has to be something more, and i'd like to see that as something more that that you can provide with the economic power and regulatory power, and diplomacy and so on. ~ ., regulatory power, and diplomacy and so on. . ., ,, ., ., , so on. would the ukrainians appreciate _ so on. would the ukrainians appreciate something - so on. would the ukrainians appreciate something like . so on. would the ukrainians appreciate something like a | so on. would the ukrainians - appreciate something like a european army? i appreciate something like a european arm ? ., ., ., army? i would say that the actual euro lean army? i would say that the actual european army — army? i would say that the actual european army is _ army? i would say that the actual european army is the _ army? i would say that the actual european army is the ukrainian . army? i would say that the actual- european army is the ukrainian army, because _ european army is the ukrainian army, because now— european army is the ukrainian army,

because now the ukrainian armed forces— because now the ukrainian armed forces are — because now the ukrainian armed forces are true defenders of european values. every day, each shoulder— european values. every day, each shoulder there defending you, we have a _ shoulder there defending you, we have a chance to discuss. because we have a chance to discuss. because we have brave _ have a chance to discuss. because we have brave heroic army defending all of us _ have brave heroic army defending all of us it— have brave heroic army defending all of us it is— have brave heroic army defending all of us. it is what i would like to say - — of us. it is what i would like to say - we — of us. it is what i would like to say — we have a security contribution to... say - we have a security contribution to. . .- say - we have a security contribution to... , ., ., , contribution to... the question was, should the european _ contribution to... the question was, should the european union - contribution to... the question was, should the european union form - contribution to... the question was, should the european union form its| should the european union form its own army? and obviously ukraine is not a member of the eu, but what was your answer? not a member of the eu, but what was youranswer? i not a member of the eu, but what was your answer?— your answer? i think first, the european _ your answer? i think first, the european nations _ your answer? i think first, the european nations should - your answer? i think first, the european nations should help| your answer? i think first, the - european nations should help ukraine defeat _ european nations should help ukraine defeat russia. this is number one. is defeat russia. this is number one. isjust _ defeat russia. this is number one. isjust an— defeat russia. this is number one. isjust an idea of defeat russia. this is number one. is just an idea of whose defeat russia. this is number one. isjust an idea of whose time has is just an idea of whose time has come, the european army? i isjust an idea of whose time has come, the european army? i fully agree with _ come, the european army? i fully agree with the — come, the european army? i fully agree with the minister— come, the european army? i fully agree with the minister that - come, the european army? i fully agree with the minister that we . agree with the minister that we should — agree with the minister that we should not— agree with the minister that we should not make _ agree with the minister that we should not make it— agree with the minister that we should not make it a _ agree with the minister that we i should not make it a competition between — should not make it a competition between the _ should not make it a competition between the eu _ should not make it a competition between the eu and _ should not make it a competition between the eu and nato. - should not make it a competition between the eu and nato. let'si should not make it a competition . between the eu and nato. let's not do that _ between the eu and nato. let's not do that then— between the eu and nato. let's not do that. then we _ between the eu and nato. let's not do that. then we can _ between the eu and nato. let's not do that. then we can see _ between the eu and nato. let's not do that. then we can see that in - do that. then we can see that in this war. — do that. then we can see that in this war. it's— do that. then we can see that in this war, it's actually— do that. then we can see that in this war, it's actually nato - do that. then we can see that in this war, it's actually nato thati this war, it's actually nato that came through _

this war, it's actually nato that came through. nato _ this war, it's actually nato that came through. nato is- this war, it's actually nato that| came through. nato is certainly this war, it's actually nato that - came through. nato is certainly not brain-dead, — came through. nato is certainly not brain-dead, as _ came through. nato is certainly not brain—dead, as one _ came through. nato is certainly not brain—dead, as one president - came through. nato is certainly not brain—dead, as one president said i brain—dead, as one president said ago~ _ brain—dead, as one president said ago we _ brain—dead, as one president said ago. we re—forged _ brain—dead, as one president said ago. we re—forged of— brain—dead, as one president said ago. we re—forged of this- ago. we re—forged of this transatlantic— ago. we re—forged of this transatlantic alliance - ago. we re—forged of this transatlantic alliance in l ago. we re—forged of this. transatlantic alliance in this ago. we re—forged of this- transatlantic alliance in this war. so we _ transatlantic alliance in this war. so we do — transatlantic alliance in this war. so we do need _ transatlantic alliance in this war. so we do need more _ transatlantic alliance in this war. so we do need more armies- transatlantic alliance in this war. so we do need more armies in. transatlantic alliance in this war. i so we do need more armies in the european — so we do need more armies in the european union, _ so we do need more armies in the european union, i'm _ so we do need more armies in the european union, i'm not- so we do need more armies in the european union, i'm not sure - so we do need more armies in the european union, i'm not sure if. so we do need more armies in the| european union, i'm not sure if we need _ european union, i'm not sure if we need a _ european union, i'm not sure if we need a european _ european union, i'm not sure if we need a european army. _ european union, i'm not sure if we need a european army. we - european union, i'm not sure if we need a european army. we need . european union, i'm not sure if we - need a european army. we need more capability~ _ need a european army. we need more capability but— need a european army. we need more ca-abili . �* , ., ., capability. but they are now spending — capability. but they are now spending more _ capability. but they are now spending more on - capability. but they are now spending more on defence, | capability. but they are now- spending more on defence, germany says they will do more than 2% of their gdp. says they will do more than 296 of their gdp. a, says they will do more than 2% of their gdp. a, , . their gdp. more effective within nato because — their gdp. more effective within nato because we _ their gdp. more effective within nato because we do _ their gdp. more effective within nato because we do actually - their gdp. more effective within . nato because we do actually need their gdp. more effective within - nato because we do actually need the americas _ nato because we do actually need the americas l— nato because we do actually need the americas. ., ., ., americas. i need to go to the next ruestion americas. i need to go to the next question now. _ americas. i need to go to the next question now, thank _ americas. i need to go to the next question now, thank you, - americas. i need to go to the next question now, thank you, and - americas. i need to go to the next i question now, thank you, and that's from nikolai. your question, please. why don't you kick off on that one? again, i come back to hannah — yes, if ukraine— again, i come back to hannah — yes, if ukraine gets — again, i come back to hannah — yes, if ukraine gets enough _

again, i come back to hannah — yes, if ukraine gets enough support- again, i come back to hannah — yes, if ukraine gets enough support and i if ukraine gets enough support and defeats— if ukraine gets enough support and defeats the — if ukraine gets enough support and defeats the russian _ if ukraine gets enough support and defeats the russian invasion, - if ukraine gets enough support and defeats the russian invasion, then| defeats the russian invasion, then there _ defeats the russian invasion, then there will— defeats the russian invasion, then there will be — defeats the russian invasion, then there will be less _ defeats the russian invasion, then there will be less chance _ defeats the russian invasion, then there will be less chance of- defeats the russian invasion, then| there will be less chance of nuclear war or— there will be less chance of nuclear war or a _ there will be less chance of nuclear war or a russian _ there will be less chance of nuclear war or a russian crossing. - there will be less chance of nuclear war or a russian crossing. but- there will be less chance of nuclear war or a russian crossing. but if. war or a russian crossing. but if nato _ war or a russian crossing. but if nato drags— war or a russian crossing. but if nato drags its _ war or a russian crossing. but if nato drags its feet _ war or a russian crossing. but if nato drags its feet more - war or a russian crossing. but if nato drags its feet more and . war or a russian crossing. but if. nato drags its feet more and does not provide — nato drags its feet more and does not provide support— nato drags its feet more and does not provide support and _ nato drags its feet more and does not provide support and they - nato drags its feet more and does not provide support and they win i nato drags its feet more and doesl not provide support and they win in ukraine, _ not provide support and they win in ukraine, they— not provide support and they win in ukraine, they will— not provide support and they win in ukraine, they will definitely - not provide support and they win in ukraine, they will definitely go - ukraine, they will definitely go further — ukraine, they will definitely go further. ., , ukraine, they will definitely go further. , .,~ , ukraine, they will definitely go further. , .,~ further. the line was breaking up a bit, buti further. the line was breaking up a bit, but | think— further. the line was breaking up a bit, but i think you _ further. the line was breaking up a bit, but i think you said _ further. the line was breaking up a bit, but i think you said that - further. the line was breaking up a bit, but i think you said that there | bit, but i think you said that there was a possibility of an escalation in terms of possibly even nuclear — you said the line wasn't clear. let's come to you, deputy foreign minister, on that question about could the war spread to other parts of europe and trigger a wider conflict, and could world war iii break out?— break out? let's recall what president — break out? let's recall what president biden _ break out? let's recall what president biden said - break out? let's recall what president biden said a - break out? let's recall what i president biden said a couple break out? let's recall what - president biden said a couple days ago down here in warsaw, quoting

john paul ii, saying do not be afraid. we as the collective west should not be afraid to defend our values, the principles of our civilisation. mr putin wants us to be fearful of the outbreak of world war iii. russia is not ready to start such a war. they have logistical problems, i'm sorry to say, in ukraine they don't have fuel, they are even robbing ukrainian farmers of chickens to eat something. so how would you see them fighting in nato? mr putin is playing this game to threaten us. i'm not afraid of starting world war iii. what we need to do is continue our policy of supporting ukraine and we will manage to achieve our goals, which is the sovereignty and full integrity of our neighbours. your

response? _ integrity of our neighbours. your response? first, _ integrity of our neighbours. your response? first, i'd— integrity of our neighbours. your response? first, i'd like- integrity of our neighbours. your response? first, i'd like to - integrity of our neighbours. your response? first, i'd like to say . response? first, i'd like to say that ukrainians _ response? first, i'd like to say that ukrainians are _ response? first, i'd like to say that ukrainians are fighting - response? first, i'd like to say that ukrainians are fighting for response? first, i'd like to say - that ukrainians are fighting for us, our democracy, our freedom and values _ our democracy, our freedom and values and _ our democracy, our freedom and values. and we really appreciate that and — values. and we really appreciate that and we want to use all means at our disposal — that and we want to use all means at our disposal to help ukraine. at the moment, it — our disposal to help ukraine. at the moment, it is very unpredictable, the situation is peaceful but for how long — the situation is peaceful but for how long can we count on them? do ou how long can we count on them? you think the how long can we count on them? idir’r you think the work at how long can we count on them? dr? you think the work at spread? you've got your evacuation tunnels and finland. irate got your evacuation tunnels and finland. ~ ., got your evacuation tunnels and finland. . . , , finland. we have been preparing since the second _ finland. we have been preparing since the second world - finland. we have been preparing since the second world war, - finland. we have been preparing since the second world war, but| finland. we have been preparing i since the second world war, but of course _ since the second world war, but of course nobody wants a war to escalate _ course nobody wants a war to escalate. it's not up to us, it's up to president— escalate. it's not up to us, it's up to president putin and how desperate he isr _ to president putin and how desperate he is, and _ to president putin and how desperate he is, and what does he want? but if he is, and what does he want? but if he intends _ he is, and what does he want? but if he intends to— he is, and what does he want? but if he intends to spread the war, we are ready to _ he intends to spread the war, we are ready to respond. do he intends to spread the war, we are ready to respond.—

ready to respond. do you think that euro leans ready to respond. do you think that europeans didn't _ ready to respond. do you think that europeans didn't really _ ready to respond. do you think that europeans didn't really expect - ready to respond. do you think that | europeans didn't really expect putin to go into ukraine and the way that he did? the ukrainians, many didn't believe that putin would start this war, didn't they? i believe that putin would start this war, didn't they?— believe that putin would start this war, didn't they? i think we should be prepared _ war, didn't they? i think we should be prepared for— war, didn't they? i think we should be prepared for all— war, didn't they? i think we should be prepared for all scenarios. - war, didn't they? i think we should| be prepared for all scenarios. putin has shown— be prepared for all scenarios. putin has shown he has no moral constraints whatsoever, it's a ruthless — constraints whatsoever, it's a ruthless war that he waging in ukraine — ruthless war that he waging in ukraine and we have to be realistic about _ ukraine and we have to be realistic about all— ukraine and we have to be realistic about all scenarios. at the moment it is in— about all scenarios. at the moment it is in our— about all scenarios. at the moment it is in our best interest to do everything at our disposal and prevent— everything at our disposal and prevent the situation from escalating. to help ukraine and its independence and territorial sovereignty. but independence and territorial sovereignty-— independence and territorial sovereirn . �* . ., ., ., sovereignty. but what will nato do if bruton strikes _ sovereignty. but what will nato do if bruton strikes sweden _ sovereignty. but what will nato do if bruton strikes sweden or- sovereignty. but what will nato do i if bruton strikes sweden or finland? -- putin. _ if bruton strikes sweden or finland? -- putin. just— if bruton strikes sweden or finland? -- putin. just to— if bruton strikes sweden or finland? —— putin, just to test _ if bruton strikes sweden or finland? —— putin, just to test the _ if bruton strikes sweden or finland? —— putin, just to test the reaction? i —— putin, just to test the reaction? remember— —— putin, just to test the reaction? remember this _ —— putin, just to test the reaction? remember this phrase," _

nobody died for dansk. we did, actuall . nobody died for dansk. we did, actually- i _ nobody died for dansk. we did, actually. i mean _ nobody died for dansk. we did, actually. i mean western - nobody died for dansk. we did, - actually. i mean western countries. the question _ actually. i mean western countries. the question was, _ actually. i mean western countries. the question was, will— actually. i mean western countries. the question was, will the - actually. i mean western countries. the question was, will the war - the question was, will the war spread? the question was, will the war s-read? , ,, ., spread? the battlefield is ukraine! so ou spread? the battlefield is ukraine! so you think _ spread? the battlefield is ukraine! so you think the _ spread? the battlefield is ukraine! so you think the work _ spread? the battlefield is ukraine! so you think the work at _ spread? the battlefield is ukraine! so you think the work at spread . spread? the battlefield is ukraine! i so you think the work at spread with green of course. very quickly. trier? green of course. very quickly. very ruickl , green of course. very quickly. very quickly. we — green of course. very quickly. very quickly. we are _ green of course. very quickly. very quickly, we are safer _ green of course. very quickly. , quickly, we are safer today than we were on 24 february thanks for the bravery of ukraine. iterates were on 24 february thanks for the bravery of ukraine.— bravery of ukraine. was europe caurht bravery of ukraine. was europe caught sleeping _ bravery of ukraine. was europe caught sleeping at _ bravery of ukraine. was europe caught sleeping at the - bravery of ukraine. was europe caught sleeping at the wheel? i caught sleeping at the wheel? finland thought that they should be ready so i feel absolutely. the us was a little better prepared, but the question is when can the war spread? the question is when can the war s-read? ., ., ., ., ,, ., spread? for the war not to spread, we have to — spread? for the war not to spread, we have to stop — spread? for the war not to spread, we have to stop putin _ spread? for the war not to spread, we have to stop putin now. - spread? for the war not to spread, we have to stop putin now. he - spread? for the war not to spread, we have to stop putin now. he will| we have to stop putin now. he will go as far as he can until he is stopped. go as far as he can until he is stopped-— go as far as he can until he is stoned. ., ~i , .,. stopped. thank you, sorry to cut you short, stopped. thank you, sorry to cut you short. we've — stopped. thank you, sorry to cut you short. we've got _ stopped. thank you, sorry to cut you short, we've got more _ stopped. thank you, sorry to cut you short, we've got more questions. - short, we've got more questions. your question, please. abrre

short, we've got more questions. your question, please.— your question, please. are the conditions _ your question, please. are the conditions that _ your question, please. are the conditions that ukraine - your question, please. are the conditions that ukraine is - your question, please. are the - conditions that ukraine is proposing in negotiations— conditions that ukraine is proposing in negotiations a _ conditions that ukraine is proposing in negotiations a good _ conditions that ukraine is proposing in negotiations a good option? - conditions that ukraine is proposing| in negotiations a good option? what would _ in negotiations a good option? what would proposed _ in negotiations a good option? what would proposed ukrainian— in negotiations a good option? what would proposed ukrainian neutrality| would proposed ukrainian neutrality mean _ would proposed ukrainian neutrality mean for— would proposed ukrainian neutrality mean for ukraine _ would proposed ukrainian neutrality mean for ukraine and _ would proposed ukrainian neutrality mean for ukraine and eu _ would proposed ukrainian neutrality mean for ukraine and eu relations? | mean for ukraine and eu relations? we don't _ mean for ukraine and eu relations? we don't have — mean for ukraine and eu relations? we don't have huge _ mean for ukraine and eu relations? we don't have huge amounts- mean for ukraine and eu relations? we don't have huge amounts of- mean for ukraine and eu relations? i we don't have huge amounts of time so i want everyone to answer the questions much more quickly. hannah, president zelensky of ukraine has said neutrality is on the table for negotiations so long as ukraine gets security guarantees. what is your answer to the question?- answer to the question? russia invaded ukraine _ answer to the question? russia invaded ukraine in _ answer to the question? russia invaded ukraine in 2014 - answer to the question? russia invaded ukraine in 2014 by - answer to the question? russia invaded ukraine in 2014 by the | invaded ukraine in 2014 by the illegal annexation of crimea. the fact that ukraine was a neutral state — security guarantees that ukraine gave up was the third largest nuclear... so where's the security guarantee? the budapest memorandum _ security guarantee? the budapest memorandum in _ security guarantee? the budapest memorandum in 1994 _ security guarantee? the budapest memorandum in 1994 when - security guarantee? the budapest memorandum in 1994 when the i security guarantee? the budapest - memorandum in 1994 when the united kingdom and russia said to ukraine, if you relinquish your stockpile of nuclear weapons, you'll get security

guarantees. that's what you're referring to. it guarantees. that's what you're referring to-— referring to. it is important to remind the — referring to. it is important to remind the global— referring to. it is important to remind the global community | referring to. it is important to - remind the global community about it. this is the only security guarantee for us. applause the west. — guarantee for us. applause the west, including - guarantee for us. applause the west, including the - guarantee for us. applause the west, including the eu. guarantee for us. applause i the west, including the eu and finland. — the west, including the eu and finland, we've imposed sanctions that are _ finland, we've imposed sanctions that are unprecedented in their powers. — that are unprecedented in their powers, and we want to influence russia _ powers, and we want to influence russia and — powers, and we want to influence russia and help ukraine, its negotiation positions in these peace negotiations. so with these sanctions, we hope that ukraine will be able _ sanctions, we hope that ukraine will be able to— sanctions, we hope that ukraine will be able to negotiate conditions that are acceptable for ukrainians, it is not for— are acceptable for ukrainians, it is not for us — are acceptable for ukrainians, it is not for us on — are acceptable for ukrainians, it is not for us on what is acceptable, it is for— not for us on what is acceptable, it is for ukraine to decide whether the conditions _ is for ukraine to decide whether the conditions for peace are acceptable or not _ conditions for peace are acceptable or not. ., , , , ., or not. polish deputy foreign minister. _ or not. polish deputy foreign minister, what _ or not. polish deputy foreign minister, what is _ or not. polish deputy foreign minister, what is your - or not. polish deputy foreign | minister, what is your answer or not. polish deputy foreign i minister, what is your answer to the question? it minister, what is your answer to the r uestion? . minister, what is your answer to the urestion? , ., ., , , ., question? it will be totally up to the ukrainians _

question? it will be totally up to the ukrainians whether - question? it will be totally up to the ukrainians whether they i question? it will be totally up to l the ukrainians whether they want question? it will be totally up to i the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral — the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral i— the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral. i don't _ the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral. i don't think— the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral. i don't think so - the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral. i don't think so at - the ukrainians whether they want to be neutral. i don't think so at the i be neutral. i don't think so at the moment. — be neutral. idon't think so at the moment. but— be neutral. idon't think so at the moment. but if— be neutral. i don't think so at the moment, but if there _ be neutral. i don't think so at the moment, but if there is - be neutral. i don't think so at the moment, but if there is any i be neutral. i don't think so at the i moment, but if there is any concept of neutrality. — moment, but if there is any concept of neutrality. it _ moment, but if there is any concept of neutrality, it should _ moment, but if there is any concept of neutrality, it should be _ moment, but if there is any concept of neutrality, it should be secured i of neutrality, it should be secured by the _ of neutrality, it should be secured by the ukrainian _ of neutrality, it should be secured by the ukrainian army. _ of neutrality, it should be secured by the ukrainian army. but - of neutrality, it should be secured by the ukrainian army. but what i of neutrality, it should be secured i by the ukrainian army. but what good this neutrality— by the ukrainian army. but what good this neutrality before? _ by the ukrainian army. but what good this neutrality before? is _ by the ukrainian army. but what good this neutrality before? is russia - this neutrality before? is russia somehow— this neutrality before? is russia somehow endangered _ this neutrality before? is russia somehow endangered by - this neutrality before? is russia i somehow endangered by ukraine? this neutrality before? is russia - somehow endangered by ukraine? know, russia _ somehow endangered by ukraine? know, russia wants _ somehow endangered by ukraine? know, russia wants to _ somehow endangered by ukraine? know, russia wants to protect _ somehow endangered by ukraine? know, russia wants to protect its _ somehow endangered by ukraine? know, russia wants to protect its own _ russia wants to protect its own integrity — russia wants to protect its own integrity and _ russia wants to protect its own integrity and sovereignty, i russia wants to protect its own integrity and sovereignty, so i russia wants to protect its own. integrity and sovereignty, so it's not even — integrity and sovereignty, so it's not even talk _ integrity and sovereignty, so it's not even talk about _ integrity and sovereignty, so it's not even talk about those - not even talk about those provocative _ not even talk about those provocative thinkings - not even talk about those provocative thinkings of l not even talk about those - provocative thinkings of russia. they— provocative thinkings of russia. they are — provocative thinkings of russia. they are talking _ provocative thinkings of russia. they are talking all— provocative thinkings of russia. they are talking all the - provocative thinkings of russia. they are talking all the time - provocative thinkings of russia. i they are talking all the time that they are — they are talking all the time that theyare being— they are talking all the time that they are being provoked - they are talking all the time that they are being provoked by- they are talking all the time that - they are being provoked by someone — no, it's_ they are being provoked by someone — no, it's russia — they are being provoked by someone — no, it's russia being _ they are being provoked by someone — no, it's russia being the _ they are being provoked by someone — no, it's russia being the aggressive . no, it's russia being the aggressive actor _ no, it's russia being the aggressive actor. . �*, ., . , actor. one thing that's on the table is that there _ actor. one thing that's on the table is that there could be _ actor. one thing that's on the table is that there could be accelerated l is that there could be accelerated candidate status for ukraine to join the eu if it says it won'tjoin nato. is that a good position? absolutely, especially as russia said they had nothing against it. ukraine is more than welcome. would sta with ukraine is more than welcome. would stay with you — ukraine is more than welcome. would stay with you for _ ukraine is more than welcome. would stay with you for a _ ukraine is more than welcome. would stay with you for a moment, - ukraine is more than welcome. would stay with you for a moment, let's - stay with you for a moment, let's get our next question — anastasia,

you are a refugee from ukraine here in poland, your question please. hello, my question is, how likely in south _ hello, my question is, how likely in south and _ hello, my question is, how likely in south and north _ hello, my question is, how likely in south and north korea _ hello, my question is, how likely in south and north korea — _ hello, my question is, how likely in south and north korea — could - hello, my question is, how likely ini south and north korea — could it be a stable _ south and north korea — could it be a stable solution? _ south and north korea - could it be a stable solution?— a stable solution? another thing that's being _ a stable solution? another thing that's being talked _ a stable solution? another thing that's being talked about, - a stable solution? another thing that's being talked about, a - that's being talked about, a military chief saying that ukraine could be divided into an east and west. . ~ could be divided into an east and west. . ,, , ., could be divided into an east and west. . ~' , ., , could be divided into an east and west. . ,, i. , . could be divided into an east and west. . ~ ,, , . ., could be divided into an east and west. . ,, , . ., . west. thank you very much for a treat west. thank you very much for a great question. _ west. thank you very much for a great question. i _ west. thank you very much for a great question. i think— west. thank you very much for a great question. i think it - west. thank you very much for a great question. i think it is - great question. i think it is important to remember that east ukraine is not russia. people who speak russian are actually now very much ukrainians and for ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. thank you. let's go cuickl integrity. thank you. let's go quickly to _ integrity. thank you. let's go quickly to another _ integrity. thank you. let's go quickly to another question. | integrity. thank you. let's go | quickly to another question. it russia has been an aggressor for over 300 — russia has been an aggressor for over 300 years _

russia has been an aggressor for over 300 years. for— russia has been an aggressor for over 300 years. for example, i over 300 years. for example, participation— over 300 years. for example, participation in— over 300 years. for example, participation in the _ over 300 years. for example, participation in the beginning i over 300 years. for example, i participation in the beginning of world _ participation in the beginning of world war— participation in the beginning of world war ii, _ participation in the beginning of world war ii, two _ participation in the beginning of world war ii, two wars - participation in the beginning of world war ii, two wars in - participation in the beginning of- world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia _ world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia and — world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia and syria. _ world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia and syria, just _ world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia and syria, just to _ world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia and syria, just to name - world war ii, two wars in chechnya, georgia and syria, just to name a i georgia and syria, just to name a few _ georgia and syria, just to name a few at— georgia and syria, just to name a few at the — georgia and syria, just to name a few. at the same _ georgia and syria, just to name a few. at the same time _ georgia and syria, just to name a few. at the same time it's - georgia and syria, just to name a few. at the same time it's homei georgia and syria, just to name a i few. at the same time it's home to 140 mittioh— few. at the same time it's home to 140 million people _ few. at the same time it's home to 140 million people with— few. at the same time it's home to 140 million people with an - few. at the same time it's home to| 140 million people with an economy the size _ 140 million people with an economy the size of— 140 million people with an economy the size of a — 140 million people with an economy the size of a medium—size - 140 million people with an economy the size of a medium—size eu - the size of a medium—size eu country _ the size of a medium—size eu country so— the size of a medium—size eu country. so why _ the size of a medium—size eu country. so why is _ the size of a medium—size eu country. so why is europe - the size of a medium—size eu . country. so why is europe afraid the size of a medium—size eu - country. so why is europe afraid of russia? _ country. so why is europe afraid of russia? why— country. so why is europe afraid of russia? why is _ country. so why is europe afraid of russia? why is it— country. so why is europe afraid of russia? why is it allowing - country. so why is europe afraid of russia? why is it allowing it? - country. so why is europe afraid ofj russia? why is it allowing it? let’s russia? why is it allowing it? let's no to the russia? why is it allowing it? let's go to the former _ russia? why is it allowing it? let's go to the former russian _ russia? why is it allowing it? go to the former russian foreign minister in the united states. our people afraid of russia? it minister in the united states. our people afraid of russia?— people afraid of russia? it looks like es, people afraid of russia? it looks like yes. it _ people afraid of russia? it looks like yes, it looks _ people afraid of russia? it looks like yes, it looks like _ people afraid of russia? it looks like yes, it looks like nato, - people afraid of russia? it looks| like yes, it looks like nato, which is 20 times stronger economically, not 20%, and militarily too, it looks like this giant is afraid of

the dog sometimes, because it is 20 times. the mass difference of 20 times. the mass difference of 20 times. so yes, it looks like it's afraid and it's afraid of the nuclear weapons. afraid and it's afraid of the nuclearweapons. but let afraid and it's afraid of the nuclear weapons. but let us long for the lesson of the cold war — you can read about this in my book. you know what, it happened before... reagan responded not with fear. hater? responded not with fear. very briefl , responded not with fear. very briefly. can — responded not with fear. very briefly, can you _ responded not with fear. very briefly, can you and _ responded not with fear. very briefly, can you and that - responded not with fear. very briefly, can you and that point on that question? is the west afraid of russia? you say that they are. just very quickly, deputy foreign minister, there's talk that the eu could assert itself more to china,

not to be too close to russia, come closer to us. could the eu be doing more? i closer to us. could the eu be doing more? ., �* , , , more? i don't believe in this unity between russia _ more? i don't believe in this unity between russia and _ more? i don't believe in this unity between russia and china. - more? i don't believe in this unity between russia and china. russia more? i don't believe in this unity i between russia and china. russia is 'ust between russia and china. russia is just playing — between russia and china. russia is just playing on our western way of thinking _ just playing on our western way of thinking and living, maybe we are not thinking and living, maybe we are hot that— thinking and living, maybe we are not that decisive as moscow is. we down _ not that decisive as moscow is. we down in _ not that decisive as moscow is. we down in eastern europe, we do have experience _ down in eastern europe, we do have experience with russia, we know it quite _ experience with russia, we know it quite well — experience with russia, we know it quite well and we are not afraid. and let — quite well and we are not afraid. and let me — quite well and we are not afraid. and let me encourage our allies from the westerrr— and let me encourage our allies from the western part of the continent to follow _ the western part of the continent to follow our _ the western part of the continent to follow our path.— follow our path. let's go to julia. is follow our path. let's go to julia. is there a — follow our path. let's go to julia. is there a chance _ follow our path. let's go to julia. is there a chance of— follow our path. let's go to julia. is there a chance of a _ follow our path. let's go to julia. is there a chance of a revolution | follow our path. let's go to julia. i is there a chance of a revolution in russia? _ is there a chance of a revolution in russia? and — is there a chance of a revolution in russia? and if— is there a chance of a revolution in russia? and if so, _ is there a chance of a revolution in russia? and if so, what _ is there a chance of a revolution in russia? and if so, what will- russia? and if so, what will russia look russia? and if so, what will russia took tike _ russia? and if so, what will russia took tike post— russia? and if so, what will russia look like post putin? _ russia? and if so, what will russia look like post putin? back- russia? and if so, what will russia look like post putin?— russia? and if so, what will russia look like post putin? back to you in america for— look like post putin? back to you in america for that _ look like post putin? back to you in america for that one. _ look like post putin? back to you in america for that one. there - look like post putin? back to you in america for that one. there is - america for that one. there is alwa s a america for that one. there is always a chance _ america for that one. there is always a chance of _ america for that one. there is always a chance of revolution | america for that one. there is i always a chance of revolution in russia. i lived for 40 years in the soviet union, and suddenly over a year or two, the soviet union

collapsed and we had to put together good relations with ukraine as a newly independent state. so russia is unpredictable and it continues to be unpredictable, unfortunately. so the answer is yes, it can happen now, or it can happen later — but it can always happen in russia. 50 can always happen in russia. so there could be a coup. let's go to our final question, there could be a coup. let's go to ourfinal question, i'll there could be a coup. let's go to our final question, i'll come to the panel for a quick final answer. your question, please?— question, please? thank you for takin: m question, please? thank you for taking my question. _ question, please? thank you for taking my question. to - question, please? thank you for taking my question. to ensure l question, please? thank you for - taking my question. to ensure peace and prosperity— taking my question. to ensure peace and prosperity for— taking my question. to ensure peace and prosperity for people _ taking my question. to ensure peace and prosperity for people of - taking my question. to ensure peace and prosperity for people of our - and prosperity for people of our cohtiheht. — and prosperity for people of our continent, europe _ and prosperity for people of our continent, europe must- and prosperity for people of our continent, europe must be - and prosperity for people of our i continent, europe must be united. sir winston — continent, europe must be united. sir winston churchill— continent, europe must be united. sir winston churchill said, - continent, europe must be united. sir winston churchill said, he - continent, europe must be united. sir winston churchill said, he even mentioned — sir winston churchill said, he even mentioned the _ sir winston churchill said, he even mentioned the idea _ sir winston churchill said, he even mentioned the idea of— sir winston churchill said, he even mentioned the idea of the - sir winston churchill said, he even mentioned the idea of the united i mentioned the idea of the united states— mentioned the idea of the united states of— mentioned the idea of the united states of europe. _ mentioned the idea of the united states of europe. should - mentioned the idea of the united states of europe. should we - mentioned the idea of the united states of europe. should we not| mentioned the idea of the united i states of europe. should we not in certain— states of europe. should we not in certain circumstances— states of europe. should we not in certain circumstances come - states of europe. should we not in certain circumstances come back l states of europe. should we not in| certain circumstances come back to this and _ certain circumstances come back to this and reject _ certain circumstances come back to this and reject the _ certain circumstances come back to this and reject the ideas _ certain circumstances come back to this and reject the ideas of - this and reject the ideas of european _ this and reject the ideas of european nationalists- this and reject the ideas of european nationalists to l

this and reject the ideas of - european nationalists to create europe — european nationalists to create europe of— european nationalists to create europe of nations? _ european nationalists to create europe of nations?— european nationalists to create europe of nations? i europe of nations? very quickly. i think eur0pe _ europe of nations? very quickly. i think europe is not the us, - europe of nations? very quickly. i think europe is not the us, it - europe of nations? very quickly. i think europe is not the us, it is i think europe is not the us, it is not canada. so actually, european nations have to defend the values they believe in. and ukraine is a part of european civilisation because putin is against ukraine as a civilisation, and we have to be ready for a post putin war old. the soviet union collapsed, the same will happen with putin. so the west to develop a strategy post putin and the solemnisation of russian society, the pollutant is asian of russian society. could the war but ukraine back in the eu? very quickly. i could the war but ukraine back in the eu? very quickly.— could the war but ukraine back in the eu? very quickly. i do, and i'd like to say — the eu? very quickly. i do, and i'd like to say nationalism _ the eu? very quickly. i do, and i'd like to say nationalism is - like to say nationalism is detrimental. we must keep in mind that when— detrimental. we must keep in mind that when we are defending europe, when _

that when we are defending europe, when ukraine is fighting for democracy, we are fighting for our values, _ democracy, we are fighting for our values, not — democracy, we are fighting for our values, notjust for our democracy, we are fighting for our values, not just for our soil and people. — values, not just for our soil and people, but for the values that the european — people, but for the values that the european union represents. that is what _ european union represents. that is what putin— european union represents. that is what putin is afraid of, democracy and tiberat— what putin is afraid of, democracy and liberal society. and that is what _ and liberal society. and that is what we — and liberal society. and that is what we resent.— and liberal society. and that is - what we resent._ unity what we resent. very quickly. unity is absolutely _ what we resent. very quickly. unity is absolutely key. _ what we resent. very quickly. unity is absolutely key. we _ what we resent. very quickly. unity is absolutely key. we are _ what we resent. very quickly. unity is absolutely key. we are not - what we resent. very quickly. unity is absolutely key. we are not keenl is absolutely key. we are not keen on the _ is absolutely key. we are not keen on the idea — is absolutely key. we are not keen on the idea of— is absolutely key. we are not keen on the idea of a _ is absolutely key. we are not keen on the idea of a federal— is absolutely key. we are not keen on the idea of a federal europe, i is absolutely key. we are not keen| on the idea of a federal europe, so we need _ on the idea of a federal europe, so we need to— on the idea of a federal europe, so we need to stick— on the idea of a federal europe, so we need to stick to _ on the idea of a federal europe, so we need to stick to our— on the idea of a federal europe, so we need to stick to our values - on the idea of a federal europe, so we need to stick to our values and | we need to stick to our values and preserve — we need to stick to our values and reserve. , _, , we need to stick to our values and preserve._ ukraine i we need to stick to our values and preserve._ ukraine is| we need to stick to our values and i preserve._ ukraine is a preserve. ten seconds. ukraine is a euro ean preserve. ten seconds. ukraine is a european nation _ preserve. ten seconds. ukraine is a european nation fighting _ preserve. ten seconds. ukraine is a european nation fighting for- european nation fighting for european nation fighting for european values, and that should be the message heard by all ourfriends all over europe. this is about protecting our neighbouring country in the values we are all based on. think it all my panelists, that's all from this special edition of global questions from the warsaw technology university, thank you my panel and audience. we are the programme that brings you the trend lines behind the headlines. from me

and the rest of the team, goodbye. applause the weather is staying very cold today and we got some snow showers today and we got some snow showers to come, as well. i've heard reports of six nm of snow in parts of west yorkshire, from the overnight snow in the snow showers already this morning. the snow showers have been coming along and bringing some big chunky flakes of snow. temperatures generally have been a couple degrees above freezing, helping snowflakes stick together. but also lots of sunshine around as well. the radar picture picks up where most of the showers are, generally across northern and eastern areas, and for

most parts the showers will come and go. howeverwe most parts the showers will come and go. however we have this band of more persistent showers working into kent, and here there could be some localised accumulations this afternoon, mainly on grassy surfaces in the hills. the other feature across east anglia into a—kid as we have some very strong cold and gusty winds —— can't back. —— kent to make. that will make it feel very cold. temperatures at best getting up cold. temperatures at best getting up to around 7—8 c, but when showers come along, temperatures will be getting a lot closer to freezing. overnight tonight, it'll be another cold night with showers feeding back in across the eastern areas of the uk. we could see some further accumulations of snow, maybe five cm and 1—2 areas. the fossil be widespread as we head into friday morning, we'll be looking at icy services just about everywhere —— frost will be. we have a weather system coming into scotland, bringing snow into the highlands.

probably some hills no further south for southwest scotland. for northern ireland later in the afternoon, maybe a few flakes of snow across the higher hills but generally a bit of rain and sleep from that system. friday night could bring some hills know to whales, it may be an odd flake into saturday morning across the southwest, but it's another day of sunshine and showers. it will continue to feel cold outside, temperatures below average as we head deep into april, looking at highs of between 7—10 c. —— hill snow. a sunny start to the day, we could see some drizzle elsewhere with mist and fog patch is forming as the weather starts to try to turn a touch milder.

today at six, the race to save the people of mariupol. more than 100,000 trapped in the ukrainian city under russian bombardment. in the latest attempt to get people out, the ukrainian government is sending dozens of buses to the city, while aid organisations wait to deliver more supplies. we are waiting basically for a green light from the parties to go in to be able, one, of course, to facilitate safe passage for the civilians in a convoy, and two, also bring humanitarian aid in. in russia, president putin tries to put pressure on the west by insisting on payment in roubles only for gas and oil supplies. we'll have the latest on the state of the conflict and on claims that president putin is being misled by his own intelligence services. also today... we talk to more victims of the failings in england's

maternity services. ministers are promising sweeping reforms.