this is bbc world news, the headlines: on their way to safety — civilians flee the besieged southern ukrainian city of mariupol — but 160,000 people are estimated to be trapped inside. the red cross renew their evacuation attempts afterfailing on friday. today marks a0 years since the start of the falklands war — when argentina invaded disputed islands they call the malvinas. 649 argentinian troops, 255 british serviceman and three falkland islanders died during the conflict. us presidentjoe biden welcomes a un—brokered truce in yemen as a long—awaited reprieve for the its people.

the two—month truce between the saudi—led coalition and iranian—backed houthi rebels begins on the first day of the muslim holy month of ramadan. hollywood actor, will smith, resigns from the oscars academy after slapping comedian chris rock on stage during last sunday's ceremony. the academy says it accepts smith's resignation and would continue to move forward with their own disciplinary proceedings. we will have a full round—up of the days news at the top of the hour. first, it's time for dateline london. hello, and welcome.

i'm shaun ley, and this is the programme which brings together leading columnists from the uk with foreign correspondents who write, blog and broadcast to the folks back home from the dateline london. welcome to all of you, lovely to have you back around the table with us for the programme. 0n the home front during world war ii, toasters admonished civilians, careless talk costs lives. could it be this time, also? allies fear if vladimir putin regime change is their ambition, the war in ukraine could be lost. there is talk of a decision to radically,

by a large margin reduce key activity in the kyiv area. let's start with the news that has bubbled around particularly affecting germany, but other european countries, was a wasn't there a threat by putin to switch off the gas if you didn't get paid in roubles? ., , roubles? for the time being it didn't look— roubles? for the time being it didn't look like _ roubles? for the time being it didn't look like he _ roubles? for the time being it didn't look like he switched i roubles? for the time being it| didn't look like he switched off roubles? for the time being it - didn't look like he switched off the gas delivery, but it is not only germany, it is pretty much the whole of europe, especially central europe, eastern europe and some countries that are almost 100% dependent on russian gas deliveries. for germany, being the economic powerhouse in europe, it is very important to get the gas to power manufacturing. in many senses it is a big challenge. putin demanded that from now on his customers had to pay in roubles which helped him a little

bit because the rouble went up, energy prices soared even more, but he found, at least in the case of the german government, the german chancellor being very strict saying no, we are going to continue paying in euro. these are the contracts. actually, now there has been a little change because they now have to pay in the gasprom bank because it is not a sanctioned bank. what is important to say, it was tuesday this week the german government triggered the first level of emergencies. germany is getting ready for the worst case that gas is not coming from russia. find ready for the worst case that gas is not coming from russia.— not coming from russia. and the economy minister _ not coming from russia. and the economy minister was _ not coming from russia. and the economy minister was quoted i not coming from russia. and the economy minister was quoted on thursday as saying, we are not going to be blackmailed by russia. polly, there is a bigger issue? regardless

or not whether there is a deal with ukraine, we are weaning ourselves off energy from russia, why would putin alienate his cash cow anyway? it is a self—defeating policy for him _ it is a self—defeating policy for him if— it is a self—defeating policy for him if he _ it is a self—defeating policy for him. if he switches it off, it then becomes— him. if he switches it off, it then becomes very expensive and very difficult _ becomes very expensive and very difficult to — becomes very expensive and very difficult to turn it back on again. certainly, — difficult to turn it back on again. certainly, europe needs to learn the lesson— certainly, europe needs to learn the lesson and _ certainly, europe needs to learn the lesson and fast, we have got to get off gas, _ lesson and fast, we have got to get off gas, where ever it comes from. where _ off gas, where ever it comes from. where ever— off gas, where ever it comes from. where ever it comes from in the world _ where ever it comes from in the world it — where ever it comes from in the world it is — where ever it comes from in the world it is usually an unpleasant government he will blackmail us in one form _ government he will blackmail us in one form or— government he will blackmail us in one form or another. it has got to be sustainable energy. the germans made _ be sustainable energy. the germans made a _ be sustainable energy. the germans made a mistake in deciding they were not going _ made a mistake in deciding they were not going to go no nuclear. this roes not going to go no nuclear. this goes back _ not going to go no nuclear. this goes back to — not going to go no nuclear. ti 3 goes back to angela merkel and fukushima?—

goes back to angela merkel and fukushima? , ., . ., . fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have — fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have been _ fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have been good _ fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have been good if— fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have been good if it - fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have been good if it was - fukushima? yes, no nuclear which would have been good if it was of. would have been good if it was of the sustainable things instead, but substituted it with dependence on russia _ substituted it with dependence on russia and it was a bad mistake. whether— russia and it was a bad mistake. whether it — russia and it was a bad mistake. whether it is berlin, brussels or elsewhere, actually regardless of what happens in ukraine, president putin could up the anti again? edi putin could up the anti again? of course, that is the reality. germany does not have enough fuel to heat household, especially when it comes to industry. actually, the german industry, while of course they are supporting the government by saying there is much more at stake than the german economy, but they are saying it will take at least four or five years until he could manufacture without russian gas. also, i completely share your point that europe needs to be independent of russian gas but you also have to guarantee social peace. you cannot have millions of people losing their

jobs and people sitting in cold houses, that is also a challenge for the government.— the government. they are talking about instituting _ the government. they are talking about instituting rationing - the government. they are talking about instituting rationing so - the government. they are talking i about instituting rationing so that apps could — about instituting rationing so that apps could be _ about instituting rationing so that apps could be turned _ about instituting rationing so that apps could be turned down - about instituting rationing so that apps could be turned down and l about instituting rationing so that i apps could be turned down and this could _ apps could be turned down and this could present — apps could be turned down and this could present a _ apps could be turned down and this could present a problem _ apps could be turned down and this could present a problem for- apps could be turned down and this could present a problem for the - could present a problem for the governments _ could present a problem for the governments in _ could present a problem for the governments in germany- could present a problem for the governments in germany and l could present a problem for the - governments in germany and austria? 0f governments in germany and austria? of course, _ governments in germany and austria? of course, that — governments in germany and austria? of course, that is _ governments in germany and austria? of course, that is the _ governments in germany and austria? of course, that is the reality _ governments in germany and austria? of course, that is the reality as - of course, that is the reality as well. on the big, international level there is a question some countries who say we should bring this war to an end, putin really has to fail and others are saying we need peace faster in order to secure our peace back home. find need peace faster in order to secure our peace back home.— need peace faster in order to secure our peace back home. and that raises the question — our peace back home. and that raises the question about _ our peace back home. and that raises the question about the _ our peace back home. and that raises the question about the peace - the question about the peace negotiations, they are on again in turkey on friday. how much risk, this extraordinary level of unity on the western side, this question begins to factor on at what level should zelensky be prepared to compromise, at what level and how quickly should be moved to some kind

of peace agreement and what kind of an accept compromises may have to be made on both sides and for the west to accept? i made on both sides and for the west to acce t? ~' , . , to accept? i think the precept underlying — to accept? i think the precept underlying this _ to accept? i think the precept underlying this is _ to accept? i think the precept underlying this is whether - to accept? i think the precept| underlying this is whether you accept — underlying this is whether you accept if— underlying this is whether you accept if these _ underlying this is whether you accept if these peace - underlying this is whether you - accept if these peace negotiations are for— accept if these peace negotiations are for real, — accept if these peace negotiations are for real, they— accept if these peace negotiations are for real, they are _ accept if these peace negotiations are for real, they are not - accept if these peace negotiations are for real, they are not just - are for real, they are notjust smoke — are for real, they are notjust smoke and _ are for real, they are notjust smoke and mirror, _ are for real, they are notjust smoke and mirror, certainly. are for real, they are not just i smoke and mirror, certainly by are for real, they are not just - smoke and mirror, certainly by the russian _ smoke and mirror, certainly by the russian side — smoke and mirror, certainly by the russian side to _ smoke and mirror, certainly by the russian side to be _ smoke and mirror, certainly by the russian side to be a _ smoke and mirror, certainly by the russian side to be a delaying - smoke and mirror, certainly by the| russian side to be a delaying tactic of some _ russian side to be a delaying tactic of some kind — russian side to be a delaying tactic of some kind so _ russian side to be a delaying tactic of some kind so they— russian side to be a delaying tactic of some kind so they can _ russian side to be a delaying tactic of some kind so they can keep - russian side to be a delaying tactic of some kind so they can keep on i of some kind so they can keep on with the — of some kind so they can keep on with the military _ of some kind so they can keep on with the military pressure - of some kind so they can keep on with the military pressure and - with the military pressure and continue — with the military pressure and continue the _ with the military pressure and continue the offensive - with the military pressure and continue the offensive in- with the military pressure and - continue the offensive in ukraine. i think— continue the offensive in ukraine. i think when— continue the offensive in ukraine. i think when you _ continue the offensive in ukraine. i think when you look _ continue the offensive in ukraine. i think when you look at _ continue the offensive in ukraine. i think when you look at what - continue the offensive in ukraine. i think when you look at what russia is demanding, _ think when you look at what russia is demanding, it _ think when you look at what russia is demanding, it has _ think when you look at what russia is demanding, it has still— think when you look at what russia is demanding, it has still been - is demanding, it has still been maximalist~ _ is demanding, it has still been maximalist. there _ is demanding, it has still been maximalist. there has- is demanding, it has still been maximalist. there has been. is demanding, it has still been| maximalist. there has been no is demanding, it has still been - maximalist. there has been no real come _ maximalist. there has been no real come down — maximalist. there has been no real come down in — maximalist. there has been no real come down in the _ maximalist. there has been no real come down in the kremlin's- maximalist. there has been no real. come down in the kremlin's position. you have _ come down in the kremlin's position. you have already— come down in the kremlin's position. you have already heard _ come down in the kremlin's position. you have already heard zelensky - come down in the kremlin's position. you have already heard zelensky talk about _ you have already heard zelensky talk about concessions _ you have already heard zelensky talk about concessions he _ you have already heard zelensky talk about concessions he would - you have already heard zelensky talk about concessions he would be - about concessions he would be willing — about concessions he would be willing to — about concessions he would be willing to make. _ about concessions he would be willing to make. although, - about concessions he would be i willing to make. although, they would _ willing to make. although, they would be — willing to make. although, they would be subject— willing to make. although, they would be subject to _ willing to make. although, they would be subject to a _ willing to make. although, they. would be subject to a referendum perhaps. — would be subject to a referendum perhaps. in— would be subject to a referendum perhaps, in terms _ would be subject to a referendum perhaps, in terms of— would be subject to a referendum perhaps, in terms of giving - would be subject to a referendum perhaps, in terms of giving up. would be subject to a referendum l perhaps, in terms of giving up nato membership— perhaps, in terms of giving up nato membershipand— perhaps, in terms of giving up nato membership and having _ perhaps, in terms of giving up nato membership and having guarantors| perhaps, in terms of giving up nato. membership and having guarantors of peace _ membership and having guarantors of peace who _ membership and having guarantors of peace who are — membership and having guarantors of peace who are the _ membership and having guarantors of peace who are the precise _ membership and having guarantors of peace who are the precise nations - membership and having guarantors of peace who are the precise nations in. peace who are the precise nations in nato that— peace who are the precise nations in nato that russia _ peace who are the precise nations in nato that russia already— peace who are the precise nations in nato that russia already objects - peace who are the precise nations in nato that russia already objects to. | nato that russia already objects to. thisiust _ nato that russia already objects to. this just seems _ nato that russia already objects to. this just seems to _ nato that russia already objects to. this just seems to be _ nato that russia already objects to. thisjust seems to be part - nato that russia already objects to. thisjust seems to be part of- nato that russia already objects to. this just seems to be part of the . thisjust seems to be part of the game _ thisjust seems to be part of the game that— thisjust seems to be part of the game that is— thisjust seems to be part of the game that is being _ thisjust seems to be part of the game that is being played. - thisjust seems to be part of the game that is being played. it- thisjust seems to be part of the | game that is being played. it has been _ game that is being played. it has been inconclusive _

game that is being played. it has been inconclusive after— game that is being played. it has been inconclusive after five - game that is being played. it has. been inconclusive after five rounds. only the _ been inconclusive after five rounds. only the ukrainians _ been inconclusive after five rounds. only the ukrainians and _ been inconclusive after five rounds. only the ukrainians and zelensky. been inconclusive after five rounds. i only the ukrainians and zelensky can decide _ only the ukrainians and zelensky can decide who _ only the ukrainians and zelensky can decide who can tolerate. for those watching, — decide who can tolerate. for those watching, it — decide who can tolerate. for those watching, it looks unbearable, you look at _ watching, it looks unbearable, you look at what is happening and the tens of— look at what is happening and the tens of thousands of people being bombed _ tens of thousands of people being bombed and trapped in mariupol and elsewhere and the horror is so dreadful— elsewhere and the horror is so dreadful that it is very difficult for us — dreadful that it is very difficult for us to— dreadful that it is very difficult for us to decide, at what point is enough? — for us to decide, at what point is enough? only they can decide that. as long _ enough? only they can decide that. as long as — enough? only they can decide that. as long as they want to go on fighting, _ as long as they want to go on fighting, we are morally bound to -ive fighting, we are morally bound to give them — fighting, we are morally bound to give them everything we possibly can. give them everything we possibly can it _ give them everything we possibly can it is — give them everything we possibly can. it is clear to us that putin should — can. it is clear to us that putin should be _ can. it is clear to us that putin should be seen to have lost, and seen _ should be seen to have lost, and seen by— should be seen to have lost, and seen by his— should be seen to have lost, and seen by his own people. i hope he doesn't _ seen by his own people. i hope he doesn't give way because putin will then feel— doesn't give way because putin will then feel he can take crimea, he can take donbas, he can take more and more _ take donbas, he can take more and more places— take donbas, he can take more and more places and each time encroach a bit more _ more places and each time encroach a bit more tofo— more places and each time encroach a bit more. ~ ., ., . ., bit more. we have watched how putin all of the media _

bit more. we have watched how putin all of the media in _ bit more. we have watched how putin all of the media in russia. _ bit more. we have watched how putin all of the media in russia. and - bit more. we have watched how putin all of the media in russia. and for - all of the media in russia. and for him to— all of the media in russia. and for him to be — all of the media in russia. and for him to be seen— all of the media in russia. and for him to be seen by— all of the media in russia. and for him to be seen by his _ all of the media in russia. and for him to be seen by his own- all of the media in russia. and for him to be seen by his own peoplel all of the media in russia. and for. him to be seen by his own people to have lost, _ him to be seen by his own people to have lost, that — him to be seen by his own people to have lost, that would _ him to be seen by his own people to have lost, that would be _ him to be seen by his own people to have lost, that would be difficult - have lost, that would be difficult to get _ have lost, that would be difficult to get that — have lost, that would be difficult to get that message _ have lost, that would be difficult to get that message through - have lost, that would be difficult - to get that message through because of the _ to get that message through because of the levers — to get that message through because of the levers he _ to get that message through because of the levers he has _ to get that message through because of the levers he has now. _ to get that message through because of the levers he has now. pick- to get that message through because of the levers he has now.— of the levers he has now. pick up what ou of the levers he has now. pick up what you are _ of the levers he has now. pick up what you are saying _ of the levers he has now. pick up what you are saying about - of the levers he has now. pick up what you are saying about giving | what you are saying about giving ukraine everything possible we can to help them. zelensky said he needs more weapons, particularly tanks and planes and the west isn't giving it to him. macron was saying, if we give him those weapons we turn ukraine into co—belligerence. what ukraine into co-belligerence. what do ou ukraine into co-belligerence. what do you make _ ukraine into co-belligerence. what do you make of _ ukraine into co-belligerence. what do you make of that? _ ukraine into co—belligerence. twist do you make of that? this ukraine into co—belligerence. tiermsgt do you make of that? this is one of the very difficult questions, especially in the case of germany. germany was very reluctant for a very long time to give any weapons to ukraine. in fact, they even stopped other countries to deliver weapons because of german history and rightly so, you may say? although you might ask for how long, how much longer? germany has a law

that you cannot, even weapons that go through another country, if they go through another country, if they go to a conflict, they may not be delivered. there was a legendary speech by the german chancellor, i think it was on the sunday after the invasion, a complete turning round. germany is starting to deliver and give more weapons, but they don't have much. this is the problem. yes, it comes back to the question, how long do you want to have this war to drag on? polly, on the one hand yes, we want this to stop but the ukrainians will need someone to guarantee their security as well. they will not be able to guarantee the security themselves. it is very complex and everybody will be dragged into it. i complex and everybody will be dragged into it.— dragged into it. i guarantee is - re dragged into it. i guarantee is pretty much _ dragged into it. i guarantee is pretty much impossible - dragged into it. i guarantee is| pretty much impossible unless dragged into it. i guarantee is- pretty much impossible unless putin has been _ pretty much impossible unless putin has been beaten. we have seen the agreement— has been beaten. we have seen the agreement that he will not keep to any agreement. 0r agreement that he will not keep to any agreement. or else, the other

danger— any agreement. or else, the other danger is — any agreement. or else, the other danger is by a proxy arrangement, ukraine _ danger is by a proxy arrangement, ukraine joined nato and we have to -ive ukraine joined nato and we have to give them — ukraine joined nato and we have to give them such guarantees that it is the equivalent of them being in nato~ _ the equivalent of them being in nato~ the — the equivalent of them being in nato. the terror as we are drawn into a _ nato. the terror as we are drawn into a third — nato. the terror as we are drawn into a third world war. it is very tricky. — into a third world war. it is very tricky. it— into a third world war. it is very tricky. it is— into a third world war. it is very tricky, it is not at all clear to anybody _ tricky, it is not at all clear to anybody what the ultimate negotiation should be like, short of the only— negotiation should be like, short of the only thing that would work with the only thing that would work with the putin— the only thing that would work with the putin actually being visibly beaten~ — the putin actually being visibly beaten. so he wasn't in a strong negotiating position. i beaten. so he wasn't in a strong negotiating position.— beaten. so he wasn't in a strong negotiating position. i assume we take it as read _ negotiating position. i assume we take it as read around _ negotiating position. i assume we take it as read around this - negotiating position. i assume we take it as read around this table l take it as read around this table that nobody is convinced by the statement from the defence department, they will ease off on kyiv and their attention is in the south. let's talk about this question joe south. let's talk about this questionjoe biden said. one would have thought most people, if there is a vladimir putin fan club, its numbers have been diminishing over the last couple of months, even in russia potentially, so why the

horror by other world leaders when joe biden presumably said what everybody else is thinking, can this man possibly stay in power? it everybody else is thinking, can this man possibly stay in power? it came from the heart. _ man possibly stay in power? it came from the heart, it _ man possibly stay in power? it came from the heart, it was _ man possibly stay in power? it came from the heart, it was spontaneous l from the heart, it was spontaneous at the _ from the heart, it was spontaneous at the end — from the heart, it was spontaneous at the end of a speech. itjust came out of— at the end of a speech. itjust came out of the _ at the end of a speech. itjust came out of the man because he felt the -rief out of the man because he felt the grief of— out of the man because he felt the grief of the horror of what is happening there. the butchery is so disgusting — happening there. the butchery is so disgusting. of course, putin's hold game _ disgusting. of course, putin's hold game plan — disgusting. of course, putin's hold game plan is that he can take more butchery— game plan is that he can take more butchery than we can and than the ukrainians— butchery than we can and than the ukrainians can. he is willing to bump— ukrainians can. he is willing to bump any— ukrainians can. he is willing to bump any numberof ukrainians can. he is willing to bump any number of civilians until we cannot— bump any number of civilians until we cannot take it any more, until is unbearable — we cannot take it any more, until is unbearable. forthat we cannot take it any more, until is unbearable. for that outpouring from the president was human and decent. it the president was human and decent. it might— the president was human and decent. it might have been a bit undiplomatic, but is it all about diplomacy? | undiplomatic, but is it all about diplomacy?— undiplomatic, but is it all about diloma ? ,, ,., ., diplomacy? i think diplomacy and statecraft are _ diplomacy? i think diplomacy and statecraft are part _ diplomacy? i think diplomacy and statecraft are part of _ diplomacy? i think diplomacy and statecraft are part of it. - diplomacy? i think diplomacy and statecraft are part of it. at - diplomacy? i think diplomacy and statecraft are part of it. at the i statecraft are part of it. at the end of— statecraft are part of it. at the end of the _ statecraft are part of it. at the end of the state _ statecraft are part of it. at the end of the state of— statecraft are part of it. at the end of the state of the - statecraft are part of it. at the end of the state of the union. end of the state of the union address— end of the state of the union address he _ end of the state of the union address he also _ end of the state of the union address he also said, - end of the state of the union address he also said, go i end of the state of the union address he also said, go and| end of the state of the union- address he also said, go and get them _ address he also said, go and get

them nobody— address he also said, go and get them. nobody knew _ address he also said, go and get them. nobody knew what - address he also said, go and get them. nobody knew what it - address he also said, go and get i them. nobody knew what it meant, address he also said, go and get - them. nobody knew what it meant, but it sounded _ them. nobody knew what it meant, but it sounded like — them. nobody knew what it meant, but it sounded like somebody— them. nobody knew what it meant, but it sounded like somebody go _ them. nobody knew what it meant, but it sounded like somebody go in- them. nobody knew what it meant, but it sounded like somebody go in and i it sounded like somebody go in and take putin — it sounded like somebody go in and take putin out~ _ it sounded like somebody go in and take putin out. if— it sounded like somebody go in and take putin out. if you _ it sounded like somebody go in and take putin out. if you are _ it sounded like somebody go in and take putin out. if you are sat - it sounded like somebody go in and take putin out. if you are sat in- take putin out. if you are sat in the kremlin— take putin out. if you are sat in the kremlin and _ take putin out. if you are sat in the kremlin and somebody i take putin out. if you are sat in- the kremlin and somebody threatens he once, _ the kremlin and somebody threatens he once, shame _ the kremlin and somebody threatens he once, shame on _ the kremlin and somebody threatens he once, shame on them. _ the kremlin and somebody threatens he once, shame on them. if- the kremlin and somebody threatens he once, shame on them. if you - he once, shame on them. if you threaten — he once, shame on them. if you threaten them _ he once, shame on them. if you threaten them twice, _ he once, shame on them. if you threaten them twice, shame i he once, shame on them. if you threaten them twice, shame on| he once, shame on them. if you i threaten them twice, shame on you he once, shame on them. if you - threaten them twice, shame on you if you don't— threaten them twice, shame on you if you don't use — threaten them twice, shame on you if you don't use it— threaten them twice, shame on you if you don't use it for— threaten them twice, shame on you if you don't use it for propaganda - you don't use it for propaganda purposes _ you don't use it for propaganda purposes. he— you don't use it for propaganda purposes. he will— you don't use it for propaganda purposes. he will say- you don't use it for propaganda purposes. he will say to - you don't use it for propaganda purposes. he will say to his i you don't use it for propaganda - purposes. he will say to his people, they are _ purposes. he will say to his people, they are bent— purposes. he will say to his people, they are bent on— purposes. he will say to his people, they are bent on getting _ purposes. he will say to his people, they are bent on getting rid - purposes. he will say to his people, they are bent on getting rid of- purposes. he will say to his people, they are bent on getting rid of me . they are bent on getting rid of me and containing _ they are bent on getting rid of me and containing russia _ they are bent on getting rid of me and containing russia as- they are bent on getting rid of me and containing russia as a - they are bent on getting rid of me and containing russia as a powerl they are bent on getting rid of me i and containing russia as a power and we cannot— and containing russia as a power and we cannot have — and containing russia as a power and we cannot have that. _ and containing russia as a power and we cannot have that. for— and containing russia as a power and we cannot have that. for a _ we cannot have that. for a presidency— we cannot have that. for a presidency and _ we cannot have that. for a i presidency and administration, we cannot have that. for a - presidency and administration, his supporters— presidency and administration, his supporters criticised _ presidency and administration, his supporters criticised president i supporters criticised president trump, — supporters criticised president trump, i— supporters criticised president trump, i thought— supporters criticised president trump, i thought his - supporters criticised president trump, i thought his remarksi supporters criticised president i trump, i thought his remarks were unfortunate. — trump, i thought his remarks were unfortunate, but— trump, i thought his remarks were unfortunate, but although - trump, i thought his remarks were unfortunate, but although plenty l trump, i thought his remarks werel unfortunate, but although plenty of people _ unfortunate, but although plenty of people were — unfortunate, but although plenty of people were thinking _ unfortunate, but although plenty of people were thinking it _ unfortunate, but although plenty of people were thinking it around - unfortunate, but although plenty of people were thinking it around thel people were thinking it around the world, _ people were thinking it around the world, but— people were thinking it around the world, but you _ people were thinking it around the world, but you don't _ people were thinking it around the world, but you don't always - people were thinking it around the world, but you don't always say. people were thinking it around the i world, but you don't always say what you think _ world, but you don't always say what you think when — world, but you don't always say what you think when it _ world, but you don't always say what you think when it comes _ world, but you don't always say what you think when it comes to _ you think when it comes to statecraft~ _ you think when it comes to statecraft. in— you think when it comes to statecraft.— you think when it comes to statecraft. , statecraft. in the end, putin needs to fail and taken _ statecraft. in the end, putin needs to fail and taken away _ statecraft. in the end, putin needs to fail and taken away from - statecraft. in the end, putin needs to fail and taken away from power| statecraft. in the end, putin needs l to fail and taken away from power by his own people. the questions are, how can the sanctions were? there is no e ideology in russia except for prosperity and wealth and living

your life. will people get to the point when they say, we cannot go on holiday to turkey any more, we cannot get the goods we want to, is it like during the nazi time, people have the same propaganda but now they are missing the life they were having before. is that enough? i having before. is that enough? i have been reading a book which was published in germanyjust after the war, at home in berlin and if that is a book crying out for adaptation right now, it is that one. people compromising, not seeing things because they are trying to hold onto what gives them security. it is what gives them security. it is important _ what gives them security. it is important to _ what gives them security. it is important to understand that, we keep— important to understand that, we keep having this optimism bias. surely— keep having this optimism bias. surely the — keep having this optimism bias. surely the people will rise up and -et surely the people will rise up and get rid _ surely the people will rise up and get rid of— surely the people will rise up and get rid of this monster, they didn't with hitler. — get rid of this monster, they didn't with hitler, no, it doesn't happen.

the more — with hitler, no, it doesn't happen. the more they feel attacked, the more _ the more they feel attacked, the more they— the more they feel attacked, the more they defend their strong leader — more they defend their strong leader i— more they defend their strong leader. i don't think we should put a lot of hope in the idea that putin is going _ a lot of hope in the idea that putin is going to — a lot of hope in the idea that putin is going to go. he will only be removed _ is going to go. he will only be removed if he lost and they felt humiliated. they are not going to rise up— humiliated. they are not going to rise upiust — humiliated. they are not going to rise upjust out of humiliated. they are not going to rise up just out of horror at what he's _ rise up just out of horror at what he's doing _ rise upjust out of horror at what he's doing-— he's doing. the polls have been showin: , he's doing. the polls have been showing, independent - he's doing. the polls have been showing, independent polls i he's doing. the polls have been showing, independent polls in l he's doing. the polls have been i showing, independent polls in russia that indeed _ showing, independent polls in russia that indeed his — showing, independent polls in russia that indeed his approval— showing, independent polls in russia that indeed his approval ratings - that indeed his approval ratings have _ that indeed his approval ratings have gone — that indeed his approval ratings have gone up. _ that indeed his approval ratings have gone up, where _ that indeed his approval ratings have gone up, where you - that indeed his approval ratingsj have gone up, where you would that indeed his approval ratings - have gone up, where you would have thought _ have gone up, where you would have thought they — have gone up, where you would have thought they would _ have gone up, where you would have thought they would have _ have gone up, where you would have thought they would have fallen. - have gone up, where you would havej thought they would have fallen. the? thought they would have fallen. they have been going _ thought they would have fallen. have been going up for a thought they would have fallen. tire;- have been going up for a while. there is the rally round the flag mentality — there is the rally round the flag mentality and _ there is the rally round the flag mentality and when _ there is the rally round the flag mentality and when you - there is the rally round the flag mentality and when you control| there is the rally round the flag i mentality and when you control the media, _ mentality and when you control the media, it _ mentality and when you control the media, it is — mentality and when you control the media, it is easy— mentality and when you control the media, it is easy to _ mentality and when you control the media, it is easy to control. - mentality and when you control the media, it is easy to control. can- mentality and when you control the media, it is easy to control. can i. media, it is easy to control. can i ick u- media, it is easy to control. can i pick op what _ media, it is easy to control. can i pick op what is — media, it is easy to control. can i pick up what is happening - media, it is easy to control. can i pick up what is happening in i media, it is easy to control. pick up what is happening in the united states, president biden has published a new spending plan after his failure to get the last 13. defence spending, support for and strengthen our own armed forces. mitch mcconnell, the republican, has said we're not going to support it,

not enough money for defence. so much for the bipartisan position on ukraine and military matters. how can it vanish so quickly? so ukraine and military matters. how can it vanish so quickly?— can it vanish so quickly? so much for the partisan _ can it vanish so quickly? so much for the partisan position, - can it vanish so quickly? so much for the partisan position, biden i can it vanish so quickly? so muchj for the partisan position, biden is having _ for the partisan position, biden is having trouble _ for the partisan position, biden is having trouble in _ for the partisan position, biden is having trouble in his _ for the partisan position, biden is having trouble in his own - for the partisan position, biden is having trouble in his own party, l for the partisan position, biden is| having trouble in his own party, in the democrats. _ having trouble in his own party, in the democrats. some _ having trouble in his own party, in the democrats. some of- having trouble in his own party, in the democrats. some of them i having trouble in his own party, in the democrats. some of them are siding _ the democrats. some of them are siding with— the democrats. some of them are siding with the _ the democrats. some of them are siding with the republican - the democrats. some of them are siding with the republican sayingl the democrats. some of them arel siding with the republican saying it needs— siding with the republican saying it needs to _ siding with the republican saying it needs to be — siding with the republican saying it needs to be a — siding with the republican saying it needs to be a larger— siding with the republican saying it needs to be a larger budget. - siding with the republican saying it needs to be a larger budget. it i siding with the republican saying it needs to be a larger budget. it is l needs to be a larger budget. it is over— needs to be a larger budget. it is over $800 — needs to be a larger budget. it is over $800 billion _ needs to be a larger budget. it is over $800 billion and _ needs to be a larger budget. it is over $800 billion and they- needs to be a larger budget. it is over $800 billion and they say. needs to be a larger budget. it is over $800 billion and they say it| needs to be a larger budget. it is i over $800 billion and they say it is not enough — over $800 billion and they say it is not enough. there _ over $800 billion and they say it is not enough. there are _ over $800 billion and they say it is not enough. there are others- over $800 billion and they say it is not enough. there are others in. over $800 billion and they say it isi not enough. there are others in the democratic— not enough. there are others in the democratic party, _ not enough. there are others in the democratic party, on _ not enough. there are others in the democratic party, on the _ not enough. there are others in the democratic party, on the left - not enough. there are others in the democratic party, on the left side l democratic party, on the left side saying. _ democratic party, on the left side saying. we — democratic party, on the left side saying. we pulled _ democratic party, on the left side saying, we pulled out— democratic party, on the left side saying, we pulled out of- democratic party, on the left side i saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year— saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year and — saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year and now _ saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year and now you _ saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year and now you want - saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year and now you want us - saying, we pulled out of afghanistan last year and now you want us to i last year and now you want us to keep— last year and now you want us to keep on— last year and now you want us to keep on spending _ last year and now you want us to keep on spending militarily. it i last year and now you want us to keep on spending militarily. it is| keep on spending militarily. it is notiust— keep on spending militarily. it is not just with _ keep on spending militarily. it is not just with republicans - keep on spending militarily. it is not just with republicans with i keep on spending militarily. it is i not just with republicans with whom biden— not just with republicans with whom biden needs — not just with republicans with whom biden needs to— not just with republicans with whom biden needs to contain, _ not just with republicans with whom biden needs to contain, it _ not just with republicans with whom biden needs to contain, it is - not just with republicans with whom biden needs to contain, it is in - not just with republicans with whom biden needs to contain, it is in his. biden needs to contain, it is in his own ranks — biden needs to contain, it is in his own ranks. that— biden needs to contain, it is in his own ranks. that will— biden needs to contain, it is in his own ranks. that will be _ biden needs to contain, it is in his own ranks. that will be a - biden needs to contain, it is in his own ranks. that will be a hard i own ranks. that will be a hard circle — own ranks. that will be a hard circle to — own ranks. that will be a hard circle to square. _ own ranks. that will be a hard circle to square.— own ranks. that will be a hard circle to square. you have got a government _ circle to square. you have got a government in _ circle to square. you have got a government in germany - circle to square. you have got a government in germany that i circle to square. you have got a government in germany that is| government in germany that is multiparty, this traffic like coalition, the greens, the liberals and the social democrats, can they hold together in this? that

and the social democrats, can they hold together in this?— hold together in this? that is a very good _ hold together in this? that is a very good question, _ hold together in this? that is a very good question, especially| hold together in this? that is a i very good question, especially with the greens, pacifist party very much for renewables and now you are thinking about bringing back nuclear power. it is a discussion and having more fuel and coal used for manufacturing, but i think public opinion is so strong to be bold about russia, that this is carrying them for now. as long as the war drags on, hopefully that will stay like that. drags on, hopefully that will stay like that-_ l - drags on, hopefully that will stay like that._ l thinkj like that. here in the uk? i think our government _ like that. here in the uk? i think our government has _ like that. here in the uk? i think our government has been - like that. here in the uk? ithinkj our government has been caught like that. here in the uk? i think. our government has been caught on the hot _ our government has been caught on the hot because they are cutting the army by— the hot because they are cutting the army by another 10,000 to the smallest— army by another 10,000 to the smallest it has been in living memory— smallest it has been in living memory and now it looks like a big mistake _ memory and now it looks like a big mistake. labour has been in a strong position— mistake. labour has been in a strong position saying, even before ukraine, _ position saying, even before ukraine, you shouldn't cut defence to that _ ukraine, you shouldn't cut defence to that degree. so the idea somehow labour— to that degree. so the idea somehow labour is— to that degree. so the idea somehow labour is not patriotic a week on

defence. — labour is not patriotic a week on defence, you will not find that from this labour— defence, you will not find that from this labour party. gne defence, you will not find that from this labour party.— defence, you will not find that from this labour party. one last thought, are we still in _ this labour party. one last thought, are we still in for— this labour party. one last thought, are we still in for the _ this labour party. one last thought, are we still in for the long _ this labour party. one last thought, are we still in for the long haul? i are we still in for the long haul? with this war? i are we still in for the long haul? with this war?— are we still in for the long haul? with this war? i don't see it ending an ime with this war? i don't see it ending anytime soon. _ with this war? i don't see it ending anytime soon. it — with this war? i don't see it ending anytime soon, it is _ with this war? i don't see it ending anytime soon, it is a _ with this war? i don't see it ending anytime soon, it is a war _ with this war? i don't see it ending anytime soon, it is a war of - anytime soon, it is a war of attrition, _ anytime soon, it is a war of attrition, stalemate, - anytime soon, it is a war of attrition, stalemate, on. anytime soon, it is a war of| attrition, stalemate, on the battlefield _ attrition, stalemate, on the battlefield and _ attrition, stalemate, on the battlefield and around - attrition, stalemate, on the battlefield and around the i battlefield and around the negotiating _ battlefield and around the negotiating table. - battlefield and around the negotiating table. [5 - battlefield and around the negotiating table. battlefield and around the neurotiatin table. , ., , negotiating table. is there anything that miaht negotiating table. is there anything that might change _ negotiating table. is there anything that might change that? _ negotiating table. is there anything that might change that? short i negotiating table. is there anything that might change that? short of i negotiating table. is there anything l that might change that? short of the regime change that is not going to happen? regime change that is not going to ha--en? regime change that is not going to ha en? . ., regime change that is not going to ha . en? . ., , regime change that is not going to ha en? . ., , , ., happen? regime change, but if you think it to the _ happen? regime change, but if you think it to the end, _ happen? regime change, but if you think it to the end, it _ happen? regime change, but if you think it to the end, it will— happen? regime change, but if you think it to the end, it will not i think it to the end, it will not come from within, how can it come from outside? it come from within, how can it come from outside?— from outside? it is almost unbearable _ from outside? it is almost unbearable to _ from outside? it is almost unbearable to think i from outside? it is almost| unbearable to think about, from outside? it is almost - unbearable to think about, either way _ unbearable to think about, either way but— unbearable to think about, either way but a — unbearable to think about, either way. but a war of attrition, it is not our— way. but a war of attrition, it is not our blood and we are kinda saying. — not our blood and we are kinda saying. we _ not our blood and we are kinda saying, we will hold yourjacket and -ive saying, we will hold yourjacket and give you _ saying, we will hold yourjacket and give you a _ saying, we will hold yourjacket and give you a few weapons, but we are not sending — give you a few weapons, but we are not sending our boys in. it is a very— not sending our boys in. it is a very awkward position to be in, morally— very awkward position to be in, morally awkward position for all us. but, you _ morally awkward position for all us. but, you know, the ukrainians have

been _ but, you know, the ukrainians have been the _ but, you know, the ukrainians have been the heroes and the question is, how long _ been the heroes and the question is, how long they can bear to be heroic for. ~ ., ., ., , for. we have got a few minutes, so let's talk about _ for. we have got a few minutes, so let's talk about other _ for. we have got a few minutes, so let's talk about other things, i for. we have got a few minutes, so let's talk about other things, so i let's talk about other things, so goodness knows there has been plenty of enough news and this is an opportunity to touch and things may be you think we should be paying attention to. i be you think we should be paying attention to-_ be you think we should be paying attention to. ~r ., ., , attention to. i think without doubt, it is the great _ attention to. i think without doubt, it is the great recession, _ attention to. i think without doubt, it is the great recession, the i it is the great recession, the ukraine _ it is the great recession, the ukraine war has come at the worst possible _ ukraine war has come at the worst possible time, supply chains and everything, broken. relationships with china. for britain, particularly after brexit, this could — particularly after brexit, this could not come at a worse time. on friday. _ could not come at a worse time. on friday. today— could not come at a worse time. on friday, today is the day when the switch _ friday, today is the day when the switch turned for gas and electricity prices to shoot through the roof — electricity prices to shoot through the roof. by the end of the year people — the roof. by the end of the year people will be paying another £2000 for an— people will be paying another £2000 foran ordinary people will be paying another £2000 for an ordinary household. for ordinary— for an ordinary household. for ordinary families, no holidays and for a _

ordinary families, no holidays and for a large — ordinary families, no holidays and fora large number of ordinary families, no holidays and for a large number of families who are less _ for a large number of families who are less than average pay, absolute poverty _ listening conservative cabinet minister underjohn major and margaret thatcher, he says if the government hadn't cancelled the insulation programme, britons would be paying perhaps £50 less, maybe even £2000 eventually for energy bills than otherwise they are paying. he talked about it with angela merkel, but it is true in the uk as well. angela merkel, but it is true in the uk as well-— angela merkel, but it is true in the uk as well. david cameron decided that ureen uk as well. david cameron decided that green policies _ uk as well. david cameron decided that green policies were _ uk as well. david cameron decided| that green policies were expensive, he said _ that green policies were expensive, he said cut — that green policies were expensive, he said cut the green clap and the programme for insulating people's houses _ programme for insulating people's houses for onshore wind, which is the cheapest and the solar industry fell apart— the cheapest and the solar industry fell apart overnight. it was catastrophic. would we be in quite a different— catastrophic. would we be in quite a different place now if those programmes had followed. given the

way inflation — programmes had followed. given the way inflation is _ programmes had followed. given the way inflation is growing _ programmes had followed. given the way inflation is growing and - way inflation is growing and economic growth is not going, are you worried about inflation? it is you worried about inflation? it is hard to see _ you worried about inflation? it is hard to see when _ you worried about inflation? it is hard to see when you productivity is coming _ hard to see when you productivity is coming from, unless you have a government is willing to borrow and invest— government is willing to borrow and invest in— government is willing to borrow and invest in productive industries, we are in— invest in productive industries, we are in trouble. we have another austerity— are in trouble. we have another austerity government making the same mistakesm _ austerity government making the same mistakes... to austerity government making the same mistakes... ., , ., ., austerity government making the same mistakes... ., ., mistakes... to be fair, and you can debate about _ mistakes... to be fair, and you can debate about this, _ mistakes... to be fair, and you can debate about this, you _ mistakes... to be fair, and you can debate about this, you could i mistakes... to be fair, and you can debate about this, you could say i mistakes... to be fair, and you can l debate about this, you could say the same of the labour government in the late 705, it found itself trapped in the same thinking, we have got to make cut5 because if we don't, it will be worse. make cuts because if we don't, it will be worse. it make cuts because if we don't, it will be worse-— make cuts because if we don't, it will be worse. it was imposed on it b the will be worse. it was imposed on it by the imf — will be worse. it was imposed on it by the imf and _ will be worse. it was imposed on it by the imf and had _ will be worse. it was imposed on it by the imf and had no _ will be worse. it was imposed on it by the imf and had no choice. - will be worse. it was imposed on it by the imf and had no choice. butl will be worse. it was imposed on it | by the imf and had no choice. but it was the _ by the imf and had no choice. but it was the wrong thing to do and the imf were — was the wrong thing to do and the imf were wrong. you borrow, you spend, — imf were wrong. you borrow, you spend, even— imf were wrong. you borrow, you spend, even if you have to dig holes and fill— spend, even if you have to dig holes and fill them spend, even if you have to dig holes and fillthem up spend, even if you have to dig holes and fill them up again, you promote your economy in every way you can

we _ your economy in every way you can we put _ your economy in every way you can we put the — your economy in every way you can n'jie put the burrowing back when it begins _ n'jie put the burrowing back when it begins to— n'jie put the burrowing back when it begins to have a good effect. some thins begins to have a good effect. some thin . s will begins to have a good effect. some things will be _ begins to have a good effect. some things will be throwing _ begins to have a good effect. fine things will be throwing things at the television as you say that. what has been catching your eyes? it is the television as you say that. what has been catching your eyes?- has been catching your eyes? it is a liuhter has been catching your eyes? it is a lighter story — has been catching your eyes? it is a lighter story and — has been catching your eyes? it is a lighter story and being _ has been catching your eyes? it is a lighter story and being a _ has been catching your eyes? it 3 — lighter story and being a foreign correspondent in the uk, you have to cover the royal family.— cover the royal family. whether you like it or not- _ cover the royal family. whether you like it or not. people _ cover the royal family. whether you like it or not. people here - cover the royal family. whether you like it or not. people here may - cover the royal family. whether you like it or not. people here may notl like it or not. people here may not like it or not. people here may not like it, like it or not. people here may not like it. but — like it or not. people here may not like it. but i _ like it or not. people here may not like it, but i enjoy _ like it or not. people here may not like it, but i enjoy because - like it or not. people here may not like it, but i enjoy because they i like it, but i enjoy because they have given me a lot of good stories lately. have given me a lot of good stories latel . f . have given me a lot of good stories latel . j ., , ., lately. they've are german originally- _ lately. they've are german originally. they _ lately. they've are german originally. they were - lately. they've are german i originally. they were german originally- — originally. they were german originally. but _ originally. they were german originally. but this _ originally. they were german originally. but this thing - originally. they were german originally. but this thing with | originally. but this thing with harry and meghan. i was in front of westminster abbey on tuesday, because i hope to use the queen but she use the side entrance because she use the side entrance because she is very frail.— she is very frail. this is for her late husband? _ she is very frail. this is for her late husband? yes, _ she is very frail. this is for her late husband? yes, a - she is very frail. this is for her late husband? yes, a year- she is very frail. this is for her late husband? yes, a year ago she is very frail. this is for her - late husband? yes, a year ago she couldn't have _ late husband? yes, a year ago she couldn't have guests _ late husband? yes, a year ago she couldn't have guests because - late husband? yes, a year ago she couldn't have guests because of i late husband? yes, a year ago she l couldn't have guests because of the pandemic, but the interesting thing

about it, she chose her son, prince andrew, to come in, the duke of york, to bring her into the church. that was very interesting. given his problems with his private life and having to settle a claim for sexual assault brought against him in the united states. it assault brought against him in the united states.— united states. it was a deliberate decision by _ united states. it was a deliberate decision by the _ united states. it was a deliberate decision by the queen _ united states. it was a deliberate decision by the queen to - united states. it was a deliberate decision by the queen to show. united states. it was a deliberate i decision by the queen to show love for her son and bring him back into the family. if for her son and bring him back into the famil . . , ., for her son and bring him back into the family-— for her son and bring him back into the famil . ., i. _, ., the family. if anyone could get away with that, the family. if anyone could get away with that. i — the family. if anyone could get away with that, i guess _ the family. if anyone could get away with that, i guess it _ the family. if anyone could get away with that, i guess it is _ the family. if anyone could get away with that, i guess it is the _ the family. if anyone could get away with that, i guess it is the queen i with that, i guess it is the queen because her for her own with that, i guess it is the queen because herfor her own personal popularity. a5 because herfor her own personal popularity. as a republic, ajubilee year like this? popularity. as a republic, a jubilee year like this?— year like this? yes, we take the holida s year like this? yes, we take the holidays on _ year like this? yes, we take the holidays on offer. _ year like this? yes, we take the holidays on offer. it _ year like this? yes, we take the holidays on offer. it is _ year like this? yes, we take the holidays on offer. it is going - year like this? yes, we take the holidays on offer. it is going to l year like this? yes, we take the l holidays on offer. it is going to be elizabeth — holidays on offer. it is going to be elizabeth the last. i holidays on offer. it is going to be elizabeth the last.— elizabeth the last. i love the souvenirs. _ elizabeth the last. i love the souvenirs, they _ elizabeth the last. i love the souvenirs, they misspelled l elizabeth the last. i love the - souvenirs, they misspelled jubilee, souvenirs, they misspelled jubilee, so they will be a collectors item because they were printed wrong. an ironic touch on royalty. henry,

finally, you have got something that is euphoric in terms of the prospects?— is euphoric in terms of the --rosects? ~ ., ,, is euphoric in terms of the --rosects?~ ., ,, . is euphoric in terms of the ”rosects? . ., , , ,., . ., prospects? we have spent so much of this programme _ prospects? we have spent so much of this programme talking _ prospects? we have spent so much of this programme talking about - this programme talking about inhumanity— this programme talking about inhumanity of— this programme talking about inhumanity of war, _ this programme talking about inhumanity of war, whereas l this programme talking about inhumanity of war, whereas i| this programme talking about - inhumanity of war, whereas i think there _ inhumanity of war, whereas i think there was— inhumanity of war, whereas i think there was an — inhumanity of war, whereas i think there was an incredible _ inhumanity of war, whereas i think i there was an incredible achievement talking _ there was an incredible achievement talking about — there was an incredible achievement talking about our— there was an incredible achievement talking about our common _ there was an incredible achievement talking about our common humanity| talking about our common humanity and what _ talking about our common humanity and what makes _ talking about our common humanity and what makes it— talking about our common humanity and what makes it human. - talking about our common humanity and what makes it human. that - talking about our common humanity and what makes it human. that wasi and what makes it human. that was the announcement _ and what makes it human. that was the announcement that _ and what makes it human. that was the announcement that the - and what makes it human. that was the announcement that the human. the announcement that the human genome _ the announcement that the human genome has— the announcement that the human genome has been— the announcement that the human genome has been entirely- the announcement that the human . genome has been entirely sequenced 100%~ _ genome has been entirely sequenced 100%~ we _ genome has been entirely sequenced 100%~ we had — genome has been entirely sequenced 100%~ we had an _ genome has been entirely sequenced 100%. we had an announcement, - genome has been entirely sequenced 100%. we had an announcement, i. 100%. we had an announcement, i remember— 100%. we had an announcement, i remember it— 100%. we had an announcement, i remember it over— 100%. we had an announcement, i remember it over 20 _ 100%. we had an announcement, i remember it over 20 years- 100%. we had an announcement, i remember it over 20 years ago- 100%. we had an announcement, i. remember it over 20 years ago when they had _ remember it over 20 years ago when they had the — remember it over 20 years ago when they had the big _ remember it over 20 years ago when they had the big breakthrough- remember it over 20 years ago when they had the big breakthrough of- they had the big breakthrough of what they— they had the big breakthrough of what they said _ they had the big breakthrough of what they said was _ they had the big breakthrough of what they said was the _ they had the big breakthrough of. what they said was the sequencing, but they— what they said was the sequencing, but they were — what they said was the sequencing, but they were still _ what they said was the sequencing, but they were still sections - what they said was the sequencing, but they were still sections left - but they were still sections left that were — but they were still sections left that were not _ but they were still sections left that were not fully... _ but they were still sections left that were not fully. . ._ but they were still sections left that were not fully... explain what it means. people _ that were not fully... explain what it means. people don't _ that were not fully... explain what | it means. people don't understand it. it it means. people don't understand it. , . , it. it is looking at the building blocks of the _ it. it is looking at the building blocks of the dna _ it. it is looking at the building blocks of the dna that - it. it is looking at the building blocks of the dna that make | it. it is looking at the building i blocks of the dna that make us it. it is looking at the building - blocks of the dna that make us who we are _ blocks of the dna that make us who we are and — blocks of the dna that make us who we are and make _ blocks of the dna that make us who we are and make us _ blocks of the dna that make us who we are and make us different- blocks of the dna that make us who we are and make us different from i we are and make us different from chimpanzees. _ we are and make us different from chimpanzees. for— we are and make us different from chimpanzees, for example. - we are and make us different from chimpanzees, for example. this i we are and make us different from i chimpanzees, for example. this last section— chimpanzees, for example. this last section they — chimpanzees, for example. this last section they had _ chimpanzees, for example. this last section they had a _ chimpanzees, for example. this last section they had a breakthrough - section they had a breakthrough with. _ section they had a breakthrough with. maybe _ section they had a breakthrough with, maybe 8%, _ section they had a breakthrough with, maybe 8%, having - section they had a breakthrough - with, maybe 8%, having considered dna of— with, maybe 8%, having considered dna of the — with, maybe 8%, having considered dna of the dark— with, maybe 8%, having considered dna of the dark matter, _ with, maybe 8%, having considered dna of the dark matter, that - with, maybe 8%, having considered dna of the dark matter, that didn't| dna of the dark matter, that didn't really— dna of the dark matter, that didn't really have — dna of the dark matter, that didn't really have much _ dna of the dark matter, that didn't really have much significance. - dna of the dark matter, that didn't really have much significance. butl

really have much significance. but they have — really have much significance. but they have discovered _ really have much significance. but they have discovered that - really have much significance. buti they have discovered that actually, part of— they have discovered that actually, part of the — they have discovered that actually, part of the sequences _ they have discovered that actually, part of the sequences show- they have discovered that actually, part of the sequences show how i they have discovered that actually, | part of the sequences show how we evolved _ part of the sequences show how we evolved into — part of the sequences show how we evolved into human _ part of the sequences show how we evolved into human beings - part of the sequences show how we evolved into human beings and - part of the sequences show how we | evolved into human beings and also can tell— evolved into human beings and also can tell us _ evolved into human beings and also can tell us more _ evolved into human beings and also can tell us more about _ evolved into human beings and also can tell us more about ageing, - evolved into human beings and alsol can tell us more about ageing, about neurological— can tell us more about ageing, about neurological conditions, _ can tell us more about ageing, about neurological conditions, cancer, - neurological conditions, cancer, perhaps — neurological conditions, cancer, perhaps. this— neurological conditions, cancer, perhaps. this is— neurological conditions, cancer, perhaps. this is a _ neurological conditions, cancer, perhaps. this is a triumph- neurological conditions, cancer, perhaps. this is a triumph of. neurological conditions, cancer, - perhaps. this is a triumph of human ingenuity— perhaps. this is a triumph of human ingenuity and — perhaps. this is a triumph of human ingenuity and scientific— ingenuity and scientific collaboration, - ingenuity and scientific collaboration, becausei ingenuity and scientific. collaboration, because it ingenuity and scientific- collaboration, because it was a collaborative _ collaboration, because it was a collaborative effort _ collaboration, because it was a collaborative effort and - collaboration, because it was a collaborative effort and showsl collaboration, because it was a - collaborative effort and shows that when _ collaborative effort and shows that when humans _ collaborative effort and shows that when humans really— collaborative effort and shows that when humans really pull— collaborative effort and shows that when humans really pull togetherl collaborative effort and shows that i when humans really pull together as opposed _ when humans really pull together as opposed to — when humans really pull together as opposed to trying _ when humans really pull together as opposed to trying to _ when humans really pull together as opposed to trying to kill _ when humans really pull together as opposed to trying to kill each - when humans really pull together as opposed to trying to kill each other. opposed to trying to kill each other on the _ opposed to trying to kill each other on the battlefield, _ opposed to trying to kill each other on the battlefield, amazing - opposed to trying to kill each other on the battlefield, amazing thingsl on the battlefield, amazing things can happen — on the battlefield, amazing things can happen-— on the battlefield, amazing things can ha--en. ., ., ., can happen. last thought from you on that? that is — can happen. last thought from you on that? that is about _ can happen. last thought from you on that? that is about as _ can happen. last thought from you on that? that is about as good _ can happen. last thought from you on that? that is about as good as - can happen. last thought from you on that? that is about as good as you i that? that is about as good as you can net, that? that is about as good as you can get, scientific _ that? that is about as good as you can get, scientific collaboration i that? that is about as good as you can get, scientific collaboration is | can get, scientific collaboration is the great — can get, scientific collaboration is the great hope. for us in britain, we have — the great hope. for us in britain, we have pulled away from it with brexit _ we have pulled away from it with brexit and — we have pulled away from it with brexit and we no longer have the same _ brexit and we no longer have the same level of scientific collaboration that we did have. going — collaboration that we did have. going back to the pandemic, this country was very good at the sequencing and much better than any other country. flick sequencing and much better than any other country-— other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why _ other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why we — other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why we are _ other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why we are all _

other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why we are all back - other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why we are all back in - other country. pick to the vaccines. which is why we are all back in the | which is why we are all back in the studio— which is why we are all back in the studio together— which is why we are all back in the studio together after— which is why we are all back in the studio together after almost - which is why we are all back in the studio together after almost two l studio together after almost two years _ studio together after almost two years of — studio together after almost two years of not _ studio together after almost two years of not being _ studio together after almost two years of not being in _ studio together after almost two years of not being in studio. - studio together after almost two years of not being in studio. thank ou all years of not being in studio. thank you all very _ years of not being in studio. thank you all very much, _ years of not being in studio. thank you all very much, lovely - years of not being in studio. thank you all very much, lovely to - years of not being in studio. thank you all very much, lovely to see i years of not being in studio. thank. you all very much, lovely to see you here again. lovely to see you back home, at least to know you were there, even if you are throwing things at the television or not. dateline london is back at the same time next weekend. from all of us, goodbye. still pretty cold out there today. rehab showers in the forecast and some of them could be quite wintry. but i think it will be confined mostly to higher ground. these are

the temperatures between seven and 10 celsius, still below average for the time of year and the wind being felt around the south—east of the country. tonight, the skies will be clear and the winds fall light and it will be a very frosty night. in rural spots, temperatures could be as low as minus seven degrees first thing on sunday morning. you could see the frost, it quickly melts away and we have plenty of bright weather but it looks as though things were a cloud over into the afternoon and turned damp across scotland and northern ireland. elsewhere, it should be dry. goodbye.

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