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bringing us tomorrow. with me are political commentatorjo phillips and nigel nelson, political editor for the people and sunday mirror. tomorrow's front pages...starting with... the observer describes how russia has been accused by ukraine of using children as human shields as the first witness accounts from thenewly liberated town of bucha emerge. according to the sunday express, lord agnew who resigned as the governments anti—fraud minister earlier this year— wants the chancellor to seize back the billions lost to fraudulent covid loans to reduce the cost of living burden. the sunday telegraph says that the prime minister has plans for up to seven new nuclear power stations as part of a radical expansion of homegrown energy following vladimir putin s invasion of ukraine. the independent�*s main story is an exclusive report by bel trew in ukraine who describes the situation in mariupol where bodies are being

buried in the sandpits of the city's kindergarten playgrounds. the sunday times claims that the refugees minister has pledged to process visas for those fleeing ukraine to the uk within 48 hours — a move which could see 15 000 people a week arriving here. so let's begin... good evening. thank you for coming on. we will rattle through, because there's so much to get through and we will start with the sunday times, a couple of stories on the front page, we will start with the one the right hand side,... could you talk us through what is going on here? this could you talk us through what is going on here?— going on here? this is lord harrington _ going on here? this is lord harrington who _ going on here? this is lord harrington who was - going on here? this is lord harrington who was a - going on here? this is lord harrington who was a tory | going on here? this is lord - harrington who was a tory mp, who

resigned on 2019, but was appointed to the lords, specifically to do this job of sorting out the refugee crisis coming from ukraine and what he is promising is an extremely bold pledge that nobody fleeing ukraine will have to wait more than 48 hours after their visa has been completed and that could lead to about 15,000 people a week coming into the uk. lord harrington is very critical of the way the home office has been dealing with it so far. we do not know how many people have actually got to the uk, but he says it is only in the hundreds, despite the promises and we know many heartbreaking stories of people waiting to come and families who have opened their homes and hearts, if you like, who are waiting and ready to receive people. further on in the article it talks about the lack of automation, the fact that

people have to fill in a 51 page form, which includes questions like are you a war criminal? it form, which includes questions like are you a war criminal?— form, which includes questions like are you a war criminal? it has faced are you a war criminal? it has faced a lot of criticism _ are you a war criminal? it has faced a lot of criticism over _ are you a war criminal? it has faced a lot of criticism over the _ are you a war criminal? it has faced a lot of criticism over the last - are you a war criminal? it has faced a lot of criticism over the last few l a lot of criticism over the last few weeks. now, the events in ukraine more widely feature on frankly all the front pages and we will focus on the independent on sunday, because its front page is really stark and i will read the top of the headline... nitro, orfull details been picked out here. nitro, or full details been picked out here. ~ , , . . nitro, or full details been picked out here. ~ , ., . ., , out here. absolutely tragic and this is in mariuool- _ out here. absolutely tragic and this is in mariupol. the _ out here. absolutely tragic and this is in mariupol. the independent - out here. absolutely tragic and this i is in mariupol. the independent have come _ is in mariupol. the independent have come up _ is in mariupol. the independent have come up with an extremely powerful front page _ come up with an extremely powerful front page and it makes me rather wish they— front page and it makes me rather wish they were still a newspaper actually— wish they were still a newspaper actually in paper form. what they are saying — actually in paper form. what they are saying there is that they have

to use _ are saying there is that they have to use sand — are saying there is that they have to use sand pits in kindergartens, because _ to use sand pits in kindergartens, because it — to use sand pits in kindergartens, because it is the quickest way of actually— because it is the quickest way of actually being able to bury someone because _ actually being able to bury someone because the soil there is so light. all the _ because the soil there is so light. all the time they are under shelling and any— all the time they are under shelling and any time they try and bury bodies, — and any time they try and bury bodies, they risk their lives as weii~ — bodies, they risk their lives as well. kindergartens are being used in mass _ well. kindergartens are being used in mass graves and reporters are talking _ in mass graves and reporters are talking about almost anywhere where there is _ talking about almost anywhere where there is free space. that ends up as a cemetery — there is free space. that ends up as a cemetery. it follows directly on from _ a cemetery. it follows directly on from what — a cemetery. it follows directly on from what we were saying, given the horrors _ from what we were saying, given the horrors happening, that is why it is so important to be able to get refugees— so important to be able to get refugees out and get them to a place of safety~ _ refugees out and get them to a place of safety. we refugees out and get them to a place of safe . ~ ., ., ., ., page of the observer, because it is the same story and yet another detail involving children which is pretty upsetting and you see the front page there, the story on the bottom right hand side... could you explain what details are listed

here? , , explain what details are listed here? ,, , explain what details are listed here? ,, here? this is, each day it is hard to believe _ here? this is, each day it is hard to believe that _ here? this is, each day it is hard to believe that the _ here? this is, each day it is hard to believe that the stories - here? this is, each day it is hard to believe that the stories could | to believe that the stories could get any worse and anybody who has been listening and watching over the last few weeks, what they are reporting on is more and more horrific and now we are seeing and learning what is happening as the russians have retreated, but this is a story about the attorney general in ukraine gathering a dossier about russians using local children, getting coachloads of children, said to have been placed in front of tanks in villages close to chernobyl. about 100 miles north of kyiv. there are allegations that children have been taken hostage, elsewhere there are reports of civilians being, it looks as though they have been murdered, their hands have been tied behind their back and they have hoods over their head as they have hoods over their head as they were trying to escape and the details coming outjust get worse by

the day. 1ng details coming out 'ust get worse by the da . �* , ., , ., details coming out 'ust get worse by theda. ., the day. as i mentioned, you could unfortunately _ the day. as i mentioned, you could unfortunately pick _ the day. as i mentioned, you could unfortunately pick up _ the day. as i mentioned, you could unfortunately pick up almost - the day. as i mentioned, you could unfortunately pick up almost any i unfortunately pick up almost any paper tomorrow and raid more gruesome details. we will leave ukraine for a moment and come to domestic politics now. nigel, take us through the front page of the express, their big headline... this is from lord _ express, their big headline... this is from lord agnew and he resigned as antifraud minister because they were _ as antifraud minister because they were not— as antifraud minister because they were not cloying this money back and he were not cloying this money back and be just— were not cloying this money back and he just decided he had had enough and rather— he just decided he had had enough and rather dramatically he walked out of _ and rather dramatically he walked out of the — and rather dramatically he walked out of the house of lords. what he is arguing — out of the house of lords. what he is arguing at the moment is if you were _ is arguing at the moment is if you were to _ is arguing at the moment is if you were to get — is arguing at the moment is if you were to get this money back, you're taiking _ were to get this money back, you're talking about £37 billion, which is roughiy— talking about £37 billion, which is roughly the amount that rishi sunak is raising _ roughly the amount that rishi sunak is raising through his national insurance hike which comes in on

friday— insurance hike which comes in on friday and — insurance hike which comes in on friday and he says you have got the money _ friday and he says you have got the money back, you would not need to raise _ money back, you would not need to raise taxes. — money back, you would not need to raise taxes, but the tricky bit is getting — raise taxes, but the tricky bit is getting the money back from the people _ getting the money back from the people who actually stole it. he has -ot people who actually stole it. he has got a _ people who actually stole it. he has got a point, — people who actually stole it. he has got a point, that is the reason that he resigned. the government should have done _ he resigned. the government should have done more, first of all to make sure that _ have done more, first of all to make sure that fraud did not happen in the first— sure that fraud did not happen in the first place, but once it had happened, to find a way to claw that money— happened, to find a way to claw that money back. certainly, the figures add up _ money back. certainly, the figures add up and — money back. certainly, the figures add up and it would save us an awful of money— add up and it would save us an awful of money individually. as add up and it would save us an awful of money individually.— of money individually. as you alluded to. — of money individually. as you alluded to, i _ of money individually. as you alluded to, i do _ of money individually. as you alluded to, i do not _ of money individually. as you alluded to, i do not think - of money individually. as you . alluded to, i do not think anyone can argue with the moral principle of trying to do that, it is the practice that will be tricky. similar issue, back to the front page of the observer, their main story and the headline is... a bit of a shift in public perception. yes. a shift in public perception and a lot of disquiet among tory mps

and a lot of disquiet among tory mps and david davis, the former brexit secretary is quoted as is the former party leader iain duncan smith, they are beginning to say, because those two particularly when remember what happened tojohn major after the erm crisis and the tories they had an awfuljob to prove that they crisis and the tories they had an awful job to prove that they were economically competent and that led to the 1997 landslide of tony blair and labour. the polls are showing that there is now not a lot of faith in the conservatives of good economic management and there is a lot of questions from tory mps about why rishi sunak is holding back this £20 billion war chest if you like in order to give tax cuts before the next election when, right now, as of today people are seeing their fuel bills go up and the cost of living is also going up at an alarming rate and this article talks about someone

running a food bank in liverpool and we have heard these stories before, that people are saying that we cannot have fresh vegetables like potatoes because we cannot afford to cook them. it is a big concern, a huge concern for the conservatives, particularly with local elections coming around the corner. should we delve into the — coming around the corner. should we delve into the political— coming around the corner. should we delve into the political calculation - delve into the political calculation of all of this? do you think rishi sunak will have to do something differently?— differently? yes. he is going to have to ease — differently? yes. he is going to have to ease the _ differently? yes. he is going to have to ease the cost _ differently? yes. he is going to have to ease the cost of- differently? yes. he is going to have to ease the cost of living i have to ease the cost of living crisis — have to ease the cost of living crisis tory— have to ease the cost of living crisis. tory mps gave him such a hard _ crisis. tory mps gave him such a hard time — crisis. tory mps gave him such a hard time over the national insurance rise, arguing that what he should _ insurance rise, arguing that what he should do— insurance rise, arguing that what he should do is— insurance rise, arguing that what he should do is postpone it. a lot of the time — should do is postpone it. a lot of the time that rishi sunak figures do not add _ the time that rishi sunak figures do not add up. — the time that rishi sunak figures do not add up, because if you think about— not add up, because if you think about whatjohn not add up, because if you think about what john mcdonnell was planning whenjeremy about what john mcdonnell was planning when jeremy corbyn was leading _ planning when jeremy corbyn was leading the labour party, he was talking _ leading the labour party, he was talking about spending around 400

billion— talking about spending around 400 billion by— talking about spending around 400 billion by borrowing, in a sense, rishi _ billion by borrowing, in a sense, rishi sunak— billion by borrowing, in a sense, rishi sunak actually took over his budget _ rishi sunak actually took over his budget. the tories said it was impossible to spend that kind of money, — impossible to spend that kind of money, rishi sunak proved it was possible _ money, rishi sunak proved it was possible and i appreciate we have to -et possible and i appreciate we have to get it _ possible and i appreciate we have to get it back _ possible and i appreciate we have to get it back eventually, but now is not the _ get it back eventually, but now is not the time, with the way the bills are going _ not the time, with the way the bills are going up. not the time, with the way the bills are going oo— are going up. indeed. we will see what happens _ are going up. indeed. we will see what happens there. _ are going up. indeed. we will see what happens there. we - are going up. indeed. we will see what happens there. we will - are going up. indeed. we will see what happens there. we will go i are going up. indeed. we will see| what happens there. we will go to the front page of the —— the sunday telegraph, this is related to everything we have been talking about, the cost of living and bills going up and also ukraine and energy dependency. the headline says... are you surprised reading this? not really. the government much vaunted energy security strategy is finally

going to be published on thursday, apparently. there is also... i cannot remember, neither shall you will probably remember, there have been so many drains that boris johnson has had about things in the water, whether it is bridges to northern ireland or airports, apparently he has got a dream of a giant wind farm in the irish sea but the main point of the story is that they want to create this vehicle for great british nuclear to develop seven new nuclear stations but none of that would happen, be producing any energy until 2050 and that is quite a long time and that will not solve the immediate problem and of course, as many critics have said, if the government and previous governments had introduced what david cameron proposed and then abandoned, we would actually have onshore wind and a lot more stuff

going on in terms of renewables and investment. there will be a lot of criticism about investing in nuclear which is terribly expensive. it is one of those — which is terribly expensive. it is one of those things that governments can look back and blame other governments previously for not doing enough sooner, but that does not actually fix anything now. trio. enough sooner, but that does not actually fix anything now. no, but the will actually fix anything now. no, but they will blame _ actually fix anything now. no, but they will blame each _ actually fix anything now. no, but they will blame each other, - actually fix anything now. no, but they will blame each other, they i they will blame each other, they always— they will blame each other, they always do. what ukraine has actually done is _ always do. what ukraine has actually done is made us think again about getting _ done is made us think again about getting rid — done is made us think again about getting rid of fossil fuels as soon as we _ getting rid of fossil fuels as soon as we can — getting rid of fossil fuels as soon as we can and wind farms and solar do not _ as we can and wind farms and solar do not quite — as we can and wind farms and solar do not quite cut it and i do understand that we will actually have _ understand that we will actually have to — understand that we will actually have to have a dual approach to this and that— have to have a dual approach to this and that means nuclear reactors and yes, these _ and that means nuclear reactors and yes, these are going to be long—term plans, _ yes, these are going to be long—term plans, but— yes, these are going to be long—term plans, but this is the one way that we can— plans, but this is the one way that we can get— plans, but this is the one way that we can get our fossil fuels and we can go— we can get our fossil fuels and we can go green and all being well, actually— can go green and all being well, actually reach the target of 90. do

ou actually reach the target of 90. you think actually reach the target of 90. up you think the green agenda has been helped by this or hindered. i think the problem _ helped by this or hindered. i think the problem is — helped by this or hindered. i think the problem is that _ helped by this or hindered. i think the problem is that we _ helped by this or hindered. i think the problem is that we have - helped by this or hindered. i think the problem is that we have got i the problem is that we have got people who carry on on what david cameron called the green pack who are building up this anti—net zero thing when in actual fact anything that stops fossil fuels and anything that stops fossil fuels and anything thatis that stops fossil fuels and anything that is safe and renewable is good, nuclear energy is clean, i do not agree with nigel that wind and solar does not cut it, they are actually incredibly efficient, but i do think you need lots and lots of options and i think what will be interesting is that maybe the crisis in ukraine in what is happening has made people that have maybe been resistant to onshore wind turbines and things, might take a better view and think, actually, if the alternative is no gas or frightfully expensive gas,

then actually having an onshore turbine down the road or as i have got offshore, that is not a bad option. i got offshore, that is not a bad 0 tion. ., got offshore, that is not a bad otion. ., ., ., got offshore, that is not a bad otion. . . ., ., ., ., option. i am afraid we have to leave it there, option. i am afraid we have to leave it there. we — option. i am afraid we have to leave it there, we have _ option. i am afraid we have to leave it there, we have run _ option. i am afraid we have to leave it there, we have run out— option. i am afraid we have to leave it there, we have run out of- option. i am afraid we have to leave it there, we have run out of time. . it there, we have run out of time. thank you very much. that's it for the papers this hour. jo and nigel will be back again at 11:30. next it's time for click but it's goodbye from me for now. in an unassuming garage

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