hours — a move which could see 15,000 people a week arriving here. the sunday mirror's front page carries a story about the parole hearing to release the mother of baby p and thejustice secretary's involvement in this. so let's begin... hello, jo and nigel. nigel, let's start with you. we stopped at the front page of the sunday times and the story i was just mentioning, the headline on the right—hand side of the paper which says, refugees won't wait longer than two days, promises minister. what is this about? weill. minister. what is this about? well, aood luck minister. what is this about? well, good luck to _ minister. what is this about? well, good luck to lord _ minister. what is this about? well, good luck to lord harrington, - minister. what is this about? -ii good luck to lord harrington, the new refugees minister, who has made the pledge. at the moment, it is taking an awful lot longer for visas to be processed. he is talking about

cutting down, for instance, the application form. there is a ridiculous application form 51 pages, which is really hard to negotiate. i know somebody who did it on behalf of a ukrainian refugee and really struggled over three hours to try and get through it. and that was an intelligent english speaker. so his plan is to try and get the refugees here. there are 200,000 people in this country who have offered their homes to them. and the question now is how he can do it. obviously, if you have teams on the ground, that can help but the real problem here is firstly the sheer bureaucracy of the home office. interestingly, lord 0ffice. interestingly, lord harrington has demanded an office in the home office to do hisjob, to see if he can make any better. but it is the bureaucracy there and also just stuffing. you need a lot of

people to process these visas. there is a group in buckinghamshire. they can host 90 refugees. they applied for visas when the scheme started two weeks ago, and only four visas have been processed since. that is the kind of problem you are facing. jo, as a political calculation, do you have confidence that this is going to speed things up, given all the problems they have been? h0. the problems they have been? no, because the _ the problems they have been? no, because the home office has proved time and _ because the home office has proved time and time again on everything it touches. _ time and time again on everything it touches. it _ time and time again on everything it touches, it is out of its depth. it hasn't _ touches, it is out of its depth. it hasn't got — touches, it is out of its depth. it hasn't got the systems in place and doesn't _ hasn't got the systems in place and doesn't know how to move quickly and we have _ doesn't know how to move quickly and we have seen all the chaos and crisis _ we have seen all the chaos and crisis that— we have seen all the chaos and crisis that has gone on over the last few— crisis that has gone on over the last few weeks. good luck to lord harrington, maybe he can kick some bits and _ harrington, maybe he can kick some bits and pieces around and get stuff going _ bits and pieces around and get stuff anoin. ~ ., bits and pieces around and get stuff oiiin_ . ., ., bits and pieces around and get stuff anoin. ~ ., ., ., bits and pieces around and get stuff ioini. ~ ., ., ., ., bits and pieces around and get stuff ioiin. ~ ., ., ., ., ., going. well, we are going to move to the front page _ going. well, we are going to move to the front page of _ going. well, we are going to move to the front page of the _ going. well, we are going to move to the front page of the independent - going. well, we are going to move to the front page of the independent on| the front page of the independent on the front page of the independent on the cause of all this, a really

stuck front page from them that mckay really start front page from bel trew. it says, i saw so many bodies, nobody was able to pick them up. people are burying them in children sandpits on top of each other. talk us through the details? as you say, lewis, it is a stark and shocking _ as you say, lewis, it is a stark and shocking front page. she is reporting on the fact that the sandpits, which is obviously soft sand, _ sandpits, which is obviously soft sand, is— sandpits, which is obviously soft sand, is a — sandpits, which is obviously soft sand, is a lot easier for people to dil sand, is a lot easier for people to dig in— sand, is a lot easier for people to dig in order— sand, is a lot easier for people to dig in orderto sand, is a lot easier for people to dig in order to bury the dead. it is 'ust dig in order to bury the dead. it is just relentless, and the horror goes on day— just relentless, and the horror goes on day after— just relentless, and the horror goes on day after day. i think it's really— on day after day. i think it's really brave and important that the independent is running this on the front— independent is running this on the front page. i know that all news organisations have to grapple with the point — organisations have to grapple with the point at which, are people getting — the point at which, are people

getting bored with it? are people getting _ getting bored with it? are people getting distressed by it? how do we keep something so important up there in the _ keep something so important up there in the public consciousness? of course, — in the public consciousness? of course, ail— in the public consciousness? of course, all the time we are looking into ukraine, we are not looking or syria _ into ukraine, we are not looking or syria or— into ukraine, we are not looking or syria or yemen. so it's a bold thing to do— syria or yemen. so it's a bold thing to do and _ syria or yemen. so it's a bold thing to do and i— syria or yemen. so it's a bold thing to do and i think as lyse doucet said yesterday on the media show, if you don't— said yesterday on the media show, if you don't report this and keep it going. _ you don't report this and keep it going, worse things will happen. and this is— going, worse things will happen. and this is revealing, as the war goes into its— this is revealing, as the war goes into its next— this is revealing, as the war goes into its next phase, whatever that may he _ into its next phase, whatever that may be. the real horrors that people who are _ may be. the real horrors that people who are still— may be. the real horrors that people who are still there are having to deal— who are still there are having to deal with— who are still there are having to deal with dead bodies, people being murdered _ deal with dead bodies, people being murdered while escaping. it's a really— murdered while escaping. it's a really stark story. and murdered while escaping. it's a really stark story.— murdered while escaping. it's a really stark story. and the front .a i e really stark story. and the front iaie of really stark story. and the front page of the _ really stark story. and the front page of the observer, - really stark story. and the front page of the observer, nigel, i really stark story. and the front page of the observer, nigel, it| really stark story. and the front i page of the observer, nigel, it is more grim details. i should warn people again. the headline is "russians use children as human shields near kyiv". can you explain

this for us?— this for us? yeah, this is a heartbreaking _ this for us? yeah, this is a heartbreaking story. - this for us? yeah, this is a heartbreaking story. they| this for us? yeah, this is a i heartbreaking story. they are placing children in front of their tanks to make sure they don't get attacked. and also on their convoys, they are keeping children hostages and putting them in trucks. again, thatis and putting them in trucks. again, that is to try and stop them being attacked. this is the kind of callous brutality that we keep hearing about. the papers tomorrow morning arsenal of that. the answer —— the papers tomorrow morning are full of that. the answer is to make sure the people who are doing this note that they could be prosecuted for war crimes once this is all over. the question, of course, is trying to get the people behind it to the international war caught in the hague to get that prosecution going. the hague to get that prosecution ioiin. ., going. indeed. ok, we will leave ukraine for— going. indeed. ok, we will leave ukraine for the _ going. indeed. ok, we will leave ukraine for the moment - going. indeed. ok, we will leave

ukraine for the moment and - going. indeed. ok, we will leave| ukraine for the moment and look going. indeed. ok, we will leave i ukraine for the moment and look at a bit of uk politics. we will come back to the front page of the observer in a second, but we go going out of the front page of the sunday express. jo, the big headline — " seize back stolen billions to cut tax". what are they talking about? ~ , . ., cut tax". what are they talking about? ~ , . . g; about? well, it is reckoned that £37 billion was lost _ about? well, it is reckoned that £37 billion was lost in _ about? well, it is reckoned that £37 billion was lost in what _ about? well, it is reckoned that £37 billion was lost in what the - about? well, it is reckoned that £37 billion was lost in what the express | billion was lost in what the express is referring — billion was lost in what the express is referring to as the pandemic? theme — is referring to as the pandemic? theme park for fraudsters. lord agnew. — theme park for fraudsters. lord agnew, who you may remember was a government— agnew, who you may remember was a government minister who resigned, he was the _ government minister who resigned, he was the government's antifraud minister— was the government's antifraud minister and was the government's antifraud ministerand he was the government's antifraud minister and he resigned earlier this year — minister and he resigned earlier this year. he is calling on rishi sunak. — this year. he is calling on rishi sunak, against this cost of living crisis _ sunak, against this cost of living crisis and — sunak, against this cost of living crisis and the widely badly received spring _ crisis and the widely badly received spring budget statement that actually, if you got this money back, — actually, if you got this money back, it — actually, if you got this money back, it would go some way to easing the deficit— back, it would go some way to easing the deficit and maybe easing the cost of _ the deficit and maybe easing the cost of living crisis that is going to hit— cost of living crisis that is going

to hit every household in the uk. it's to hit every household in the uk. it's an— to hit every household in the uk. it's an enormous amount of money, and it— it's an enormous amount of money, and it beggars belief that even though— and it beggars belief that even though things were being done quickly— though things were being done quickly and in a state of emergency, there _ quickly and in a state of emergency, there haven't been the right checks and balances to make sure that the public— and balances to make sure that the public money was going to the right people _ public money was going to the right people. but whether or not it can never _ people. but whether or not it can never be — people. but whether or not it can never be clawed back, who knows, but it is damning _ never be clawed back, who knows, but it is damning stop and lord agnew is not the _ it is damning stop and lord agnew is not the only— it is damning stop and lord agnew is not the only voice. there is david davis _ not the only voice. there is david davis as— not the only voice. there is david davis as well, who was chair of the puhiic— davis as well, who was chair of the public accounts committee. he said it is clear— public accounts committee. he said it is clear that the government has not got _ it is clear that the government has not got a _ it is clear that the government has not got a grip on fraud losses during — not got a grip on fraud losses during covid. if they were eliminated, the government wouldn't have to _ eliminated, the government wouldn't have to put _ eliminated, the government wouldn't have to put up taxes. we eliminated, the government wouldn't have to put up taxes.— have to put up taxes. we know how difficult it is — have to put up taxes. we know how difficult it is to — have to put up taxes. we know how difficult it is to actually _ have to put up taxes. we know how difficult it is to actually get - have to put up taxes. we know how difficult it is to actually get that i difficult it is to actually get that money back. we will see whether that happens. a similar kind of issue on the front page of the observer. the headline, "tories fear poll disaster ever higher taxes. nigel, this seems quite a turnaround.—

quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what ha-iened quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what happened is — quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what happened is that — quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what happened is that the _ quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what happened is that the wheels - quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what happened is that the wheels fell i quite a turnaround. yes, it is. what happened is that the wheels fell off the chancellor's many budget very soon after he delivered it. he tried a bit of sleight of hand by promising an income tax cut before the next election. but of course, that doesn't deal with the cost of living crisis now, or indeed the constant tax rises that he has been imposing, not least the one on friday which is the national insurance rise. i think rishi sunak might be losing his lustre at the moment. after the mini budget, he made that rather stupid stunt of filling up someone else's kia at a petrol station. that backfired on him. it is up there with other gas like ed miliband's sandakan david miliband's banana and david cameron missing of his football teams. the moral of the story is, don't pretend to be what you are not. but really,

all this starts with his mini budget, which didn't work. he was doing great before but then of course, we all love a chancellor who gives money away. jo. course, we all love a chancellor who gives money away-— gives money away. jo, you were chuckling- — gives money away. jo, you were chuckling. do _ gives money away. jo, you were chuckling. do you _ gives money away. jo, you were chuckling. do you agree, - gives money away. jo, you were chuckling. do you agree, as i gives money away. jo, you were chuckling. do you agree, as this gives money away. jo, you were i chuckling. do you agree, as this as bad as bacon sandwiches and all that stuff for the chancellor? weill. bad as bacon sandwiches and all that stuff for the chancellor?— stuff for the chancellor? well, i think we could _ stuff for the chancellor? well, i think we could do _ stuff for the chancellor? well, i think we could do an _ stuff for the chancellor? well, i think we could do an entire i think we could do an entire programme on the gaffes and photo opportunities that should never have happened _ opportunities that should never have happened. but it is true, and every constituency mp will be having letters — constituency mp will be having letters and phone calls and messages from constituents saying, how on earth _ from constituents saying, how on earth are — from constituents saying, how on earth are we going to manage? if you haven't_ earth are we going to manage? if you haven't got— earth are we going to manage? if you haven't got any leeway, you can't cut hacic — haven't got any leeway, you can't cut back. we have now got an overall burden _ cut back. we have now got an overall burden of— cut back. we have now got an overall burden of taxation which is the highest — burden of taxation which is the highest since the 1950s. you wouldn't _ highest since the 1950s. you wouldn't expect that under a conservative government and as nigel says, conservative government and as nigel says. it's _ conservative government and as nigel says, it's notjust the fuel costs and everything else, it is the

national— and everything else, it is the national insurance increase. and it seems _ national insurance increase. and it seems utterly bonkers to hold onto this war— seems utterly bonkers to hold onto this war chest in order to give some sort of— this war chest in order to give some sort of bribe — this war chest in order to give some sort of bribe at the next election. we have — sort of bribe at the next election. we have got the local elections coming — we have got the local elections coming up next month, and i think the tories — coming up next month, and i think the tories are rightly extremely worried — the tories are rightly extremely worried that the cost of living, it probably— worried that the cost of living, it probably won't be partygate that does the — probably won't be partygate that does the borisjohnson, it probably won't be partygate that does the boris johnson, it will be the cost — does the boris johnson, it will be the cost of— does the boris johnson, it will be the cost of living.— the cost of living. nigel, that is an interesting _ the cost of living. nigel, that is an interesting point. _ the cost of living. nigel, that is an interesting point. this- the cost of living. nigel, that is l an interesting point. this balance of trying to hold goodies back for closer to elections, versus well, all the damage will be done over the next 12 months or so. given your experience of watching these things for so many years, is he making the right decision, trying to hold something back?— right decision, trying to hold something back? right decision, trying to hold somethini back? ~ something back? well, jo was right when she used _ something back? well, jo was right when she used the _ something back? well, jo was right when she used the word _ something back? well, jo was right when she used the word bonkers. l something back? well, jo was right i when she used the word bonkers. no, i don't. that was why i found the idea of offering a ip income tax drop in the future so incredibly

weird. the chancellor can have no idea what the economy will look like when he wants to give this money away. i am assuming that it will not be ip, he will try and deliver two p. but none of those things can be planned for at the moment. and the more important thing is, for low income people to be able to get food on the table, not to have to choose between heating and eating, that means tackling the cost of living crisis now. and it is not something that can wait till the next election. this is something the chancellor must do this year. qm. election. this is something the chancellor must do this year. ok, we are now going _ chancellor must do this year. ok, we are now going to _ chancellor must do this year. ok, we are now going to look _ chancellor must do this year. ok, we are now going to look at _ chancellor must do this year. ok, we are now going to look at the - chancellor must do this year. ok, we are now going to look at the front i are now going to look at the front page of the sunday telegraph and a story that pulls everything together that we have just been talking about, the cost of living crisis, political calculations and the war in ukraine. jo, can you kick us off with this? the headline is "pm's planta seven nuclear stations". this

is a preview — planta seven nuclear stations". this is a preview of _ planta seven nuclear stations". this is a preview of the government's energy— is a preview of the government's energy security strategy which is supposed to be published on thursday. the plan is that there will he — thursday. the plan is that there wiii be this— thursday. the plan is that there will be this vehicle called great british— will be this vehicle called great british nuclear which will fund and support— british nuclear which will fund and support the expansion of seven nuclear— support the expansion of seven nuclear stations. none of these would _ nuclear stations. none of these would he — nuclear stations. none of these would be operational until 2050, so that is— would be operational until 2050, so that is a _ would be operational until 2050, so that is a long way off. nuclear is clean, _ that is a long way off. nuclear is clean, but — that is a long way off. nuclear is clean, but it is also very expensive and wherever you are going to build these, _ and wherever you are going to build these, they— and wherever you are going to build these, they are going to take up a lot of— these, they are going to take up a lot of space. there are other things that have _ lot of space. there are other things that have been hinted at like onshore _ that have been hinted at like onshore wind. if you remember david cameron, _ onshore wind. if you remember david cameron, in— onshore wind. if you remember david cameron, in his first term, talked about— cameron, in his first term, talked about vote — cameron, in his first term, talked about vote blue, go green, and then decided _ about vote blue, go green, and then decided to— about vote blue, go green, and then decided to cut the green cap, as he said _ decided to cut the green cap, as he said but _ decided to cut the green cap, as he said but i — decided to cut the green cap, as he said. but i do wonder whether people have now— said. but i do wonder whether people have now become less resistant to

onshore _ have now become less resistant to onshore wind and solar and other things— onshore wind and solar and other things now— onshore wind and solar and other things now that we have really seen the cost _ things now that we have really seen the cost of — things now that we have really seen the cost of energy and the insecurity, given the hold that russia — insecurity, given the hold that russia and other powers have over our energy— russia and other powers have over our energy supplies.— our energy supplies. nigel, is this then a case _ our energy supplies. nigel, is this then a case of— our energy supplies. nigel, is this then a case of previous _ our energy supplies. nigel, is this i then a case of previous governments not being alert to this? yes. then a case of previous governments not being alert to this?— not being alert to this? yes, it irobabl not being alert to this? yes, it probably is- — not being alert to this? yes, it probably is. we _ not being alert to this? yes, it probably is. we are _ not being alert to this? yes, it probably is. we are in - not being alert to this? yes, it probably is. we are in a i not being alert to this? yes, it probably is. we are in a sense | probably is. we are in a sense making last—minute plans now when we should have been planning this kind of thing for the last 50 years. the same thing happens to pensions, if you remember. everyone knew that the ageing population meant cost of pensions was going to go up hugely. no one did anything about it, neither business nor government, until they absolutely had to, and this is where we are with climate change. i am this is where we are with climate change. iam in this is where we are with climate change. i am in favour of creating nuclear power stations. i was taken

to task byjo earlier because i was saying that wind and solar doesn't cut it. what i meant was that wind and solar doesn't cut it on its own. i think you need the dual approach of nuclear and wind and solar to make the whole thing work. jo. if make the whole thing work. jo, if that is the _ make the whole thing work. jo, if that is the mix _ make the whole thing work. jo, if that is the mix that _ make the whole thing work. jo, if that is the mix that we _ make the whole thing work. jo, if that is the mix that we need i make the whole thing work. jo, if that is the mix that we need and these plants take so long, what action can be taken right now to help right now, or is there no simple answer to that? $5 help right now, or is there no simple answer to that? as nigel sa s, it simple answer to that? as nigel says. it has _ simple answer to that? as nigel says, it has been _ simple answer to that? as nigel says, it has been put _ simple answer to that? as nigel says, it has been put off- simple answer to that? as nigel says, it has been put off and i simple answer to that? as nigelj says, it has been put off and put off and _ says, it has been put off and put off and we — says, it has been put off and put off and we have kicked it into the lon- off and we have kicked it into the long grass — off and we have kicked it into the long grass over the and now it is coming — long grass over the and now it is coming into our living rooms. there should _ coming into our living rooms. there should have — coming into our living rooms. there should have been so much more done on buildind _ should have been so much more done on building. that should have been no more _ on building. that should have been no more new developments unless they had solar— no more new developments unless they had solar power and were properly greener— had solar power and were properly greener and environmentally friendly _ greener and environmentally friendly. we need to stop creating housing _ friendly. we need to stop creating housing estates that require people to have _

housing estates that require people to have cars stopped there is a whole — to have cars stopped there is a whole load of stuff, but it all comes — whole load of stuff, but it all comes down tojoined up government thinkind _ comes down tojoined up government thinking. and the government to a certain— thinking. and the government to a certain extent can take some success from cop26, but you have to live up to it _ from cop26, but you have to live up to it. ~ , , ., to it. we will see whether they do. jo and nigel. _ to it. we will see whether they do. jo and nigel, thank— to it. we will see whether they do. jo and nigel, thank you _ to it. we will see whether they do. jo and nigel, thank you for - to it. we will see whether they do. | jo and nigel, thank you for expertly guiding us through the papers. that is it for the papers this evening. this is bbc news. bye—bye. hello, and a warm welcome to the film review on bbc news. i'mjane hill, and taking us through this week's cinema releases is mark kermode. hi, mark, what have you been watching? so we have true things, which is the new film

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