hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are parliamentaryjournalist tony grew and journalist and broadcaster caroline frost. tomorrow's front pages. starting with. .. the metro denounces what it calls putin's war crime shame, as evidence of mass killings of ukrainian civilians mounts. a terrible war crime is the headline of the independent, as western nations unite in condemnation of russia over civilian killings in ukraine. the financial times reports that the eu is preparing to introduce further sanctions against moscow after reports of atrocities emerge in the wake of russia s military retreat from the outskirts of kyiv.

the daily telegraph says that a senior civil servant in charge of whitehall ethics has been charged over one of the lockdown parties in the so called partygate scandal. the daily mail has a photo of the supended tory mp david warburton with his wife who is standing by her husband. so let's begin... hello, both, and thank you both for coming on this evening. unfortunately it is a really grim set of front pages, isn't it? those awful details from ukraine coming out and we can almost start with any one of them. let's start with the metro and caroline, why don't you kick us off? a pretty striking headline. worse than isis. what is the metro detailing? trier?

the metro detailing? very eye-catching _ the metro detailing? very eye-catching in _ the metro detailing? very eye-catching in the - the metro detailing? very eye-catching in the worst| the metro detailing? - eye—catching in the worst possible way. i think this is where people start to look for comparison that brings home, they hope, the depth of depravity, the harbour —— the horror, the grimness coming around on the streets of kyiv and generally across ukraine and just centred on a few regions around kyiv and the good news, i guess, we had a couple of days ago is that the russians were in retreat but this is the horrifying scenario we are seeing now where ukrainians are able to go back on the streets and discover just how badly they have been treated by their neighbours and it makes for grim reading. some of the images, the newspapers have made clear that they have not felt fit to publish and that tells its own story, but the documentation is severe enough to use show unarmed civilians, and this is the horrible phrase that run off the tongues,

unarmed civilians, documentation of people with hands tied behind their backs and bullet holes in their heads, it is horrendous. and clearly this is horrendous. this is moving this is horrendous. this is moving this conflict for international criminal investigation and hopefully justice in some form.— justice in some form. indeed. we will look at _ justice in some form. indeed. we will look at the _ justice in some form. indeed. we will look at the front _ justice in some form. indeed. we will look at the front page - justice in some form. indeed. we will look at the front page of - justice in some form. indeed. we will look at the front page of the | will look at the front page of the independent about war crimes, effectively. before we get to the front page of that, tell us, reflect generally on the gravity and horror across all of these from pages. are we seeing now a significant shift in their already grim momentum of history? i their already grim momentum of histo ? ~ ., , their already grim momentum of histo ? ~' . , . , , history? i think what is happening is that peeple _ history? i think what is happening is that people are _ history? i think what is happening is that people are becoming - history? i think what is happening is that people are becoming morej is that people are becoming more aware _ is that people are becoming more aware of— is that people are becoming more aware of the way that the russians have behaviour. they did this in the war in_ have behaviour. they did this in the war in chechnya and they carpet bombed — war in chechnya and they carpet bombed cities and it is no surprise to me _ bombed cities and it is no surprise to me that— bombed cities and it is no surprise to me that with the redrawing of some _ to me that with the redrawing of some russian troops you are finding

these _ some russian troops you are finding these horrifying war crimes, let's call them — these horrifying war crimes, let's call them what they are, deliberately targeting civilians. rape, — deliberately targeting civilians. rape, murder. in some cases looting. and what_ rape, murder. in some cases looting. and what we _ rape, murder. in some cases looting. and what we need to do is focus on what _ and what we need to do is focus on what the _ and what we need to do is focus on what the response will be on what the west — what the response will be on what the west will do in response to this _ the west will do in response to this. caroline talks about war crimes— this. caroline talks about war crimes and i'm all in favour of investigating russian commanders and russian _ investigating russian commanders and russian leaders for war crimes, if only so— russian leaders for war crimes, if only so the — russian leaders for war crimes, if only so the ukrainian people can hear— only so the ukrainian people can bear witness to the horrifying crimes — bear witness to the horrifying crimes that have occurred and are occurring — crimes that have occurred and are occurring every day in the country. but i _ occurring every day in the country. but i think— occurring every day in the country. but i think we need to be realistic about— but i think we need to be realistic about this — but i think we need to be realistic about this. the real politic is that vladimir— about this. the real politic is that vladimir putin is not going to go anywhere — vladimir putin is not going to go anywhere near a courtroom for these crimes _ anywhere near a courtroom for these crimes. whether or not these commanders, it seems for them, it's unlikely— commanders, it seems for them, it's unlikely so— commanders, it seems for them, it's unlikely so while it's important to document— unlikely so while it's important to document the war crimes but it's also important to suggest the action is what _ also important to suggest the action is what president zelensky is asking for, is what president zelensky is asking for. that— is what president zelensky is asking for, that we need to give them

clearance. _ for, that we need to give them clearance, which is what they are asking _ clearance, which is what they are asking for — clearance, which is what they are asking for. we clearance, which is what they are asking for-— clearance, which is what they are askin: for. ~ .., . ,, ., asking for. we might come back to that specific _ asking for. we might come back to that specific issue _ asking for. we might come back to that specific issue a _ asking for. we might come back to that specific issue a little - asking for. we might come back to that specific issue a little later. - that specific issue a little later. let's look at the front page of the independent. a terrible war crime is the headline and the picture is a headline under the picture, and this is a woman who has walked through the wreckage of tanks in the town where she lives on the outskirts of the ukrainian capital. as caroline mentioned earlier on, there are pictures that are far, far worse than this and some papers are not clearly publishing this for some reasons. tell us what details that the independent choose to focus on. i don't have the paper in front of me, _ i don't have the paper in front of me. and — i don't have the paper in front of me, and you do and you put me at a slight _ me, and you do and you put me at a slight disadvantage.— slight disadvantage. there simply does not seem _ slight disadvantage. there simply does not seem to _ slight disadvantage. there simply does not seem to be _ slight disadvantage. there simply does not seem to be much - slight disadvantage. there simply| does not seem to be much chance slight disadvantage. there simply i does not seem to be much chance of of the ceasefire. this does not seem to be much chance of of the ceasefire.— of the ceasefire. this is a devel0ping _ of the ceasefire. this is a

developing situation. - of the ceasefire. this is a | developing situation. and of the ceasefire. this is a - developing situation. and either vladimir— developing situation. and either vladimir putin wins the war loses it and if_ vladimir putin wins the war loses it and if he _ vladimir putin wins the war loses it and if he comes close to winning it, we will— and if he comes close to winning it, we will have — and if he comes close to winning it, we will have to bear the responsibility and ask ourselves the question— responsibility and ask ourselves the question is, did we do everything we could? _ question is, did we do everything we could? i_ question is, did we do everything we could? i understand the concerns about _ could? i understand the concerns about could this lead to world war iii? about could this lead to world war iii? what — about could this lead to world war iii? what the war has exposed me is how poorly— iii? what the war has exposed me is how poorly trained and poorly prepared the russian army actually are. prepared the russian army actually are there — prepared the russian army actually are. there might be a lot of them but they— are. there might be a lot of them but they are not at the top of military— but they are not at the top of military intelligence and the way they are — military intelligence and the way they are conducting themselves makes me think— they are conducting themselves makes me think that the armed forces have a large _ me think that the armed forces have a large force but this is something we should — a large force but this is something we should take seriously but i think everything — we should take seriously but i think everything should be on the table. and what— everything should be on the table. and what we are seeing here is that wars are _ and what we are seeing here is that wars are fought, unfortunately, all across _ wars are fought, unfortunately, all across the — wars are fought, unfortunately, all across the world and this is the first— across the world and this is the first time — across the world and this is the first time this has happened in europe — first time this has happened in europe but i think this is why the european — europe but i think this is why the european countries have taken such a strong _ european countries have taken such a strong stance against it. but i think— strong stance against it. but i think we _ strong stance against it. but i think we should be doing everything the ukrainians are asking us and

begging — the ukrainians are asking us and begging them for our help. the uk has already provided ukraine with significant amounts of lethal armaments and president zelensky said he _ armaments and president zelensky said he spoke to borisjohnson today in the _ said he spoke to borisjohnson today in the uk _ said he spoke to borisjohnson today in the uk is — said he spoke to borisjohnson today in the uk is planning to send more military— in the uk is planning to send more military aid — in the uk is planning to send more military aid but like i said, i don't — military aid but like i said, i don't think anything should be off the table — don't think anything should be off the table in this conflict.- the table in this conflict. there are two sides, _ the table in this conflict. there are two sides, one _ the table in this conflict. there are two sides, one is _ the table in this conflict. there are two sides, one is the - the table in this conflict. there i are two sides, one is the military aid, and the other is the sanctions. the front page of the financial times, the ft, is talking about incoming future sanctions next week, top politicians and diplomats getting together next week to see what else could be done and what they can do. what is your assessment of where we are on sanctions? it feels as though people have been saying, what would be a line in the sand. it feels as though there is a tipping point that has been reached. clearly there was a chapter one of sanctions and we saw assets frozen, various individuals close to the

russian government and i think there is a move that something slightly more systemic needs to take place to put the freeze and the grip on them. at the moment they are talking about existing measures including the banning of seven russian banks from the swift banking mechanism but now they are talking about targeting russian energy exports which, of course, becomes a crossover with our great complicated domestic agenda. but as the transport secretary was quick to say today, joining in the european perspective, is that freedom does not come for free, european perspective, is that freedom does not come forfree, so we might end up having to pay a price through a long chain of production across europe, but this is looking at where they are going in the hope that i guess, russia does blink first. because at the moment they have a strong card in their hand. with vladimir putin trying to make everyone pay in roubles and get the rouble back up,

he has a strong card in his hand and it's a case of desperately trying to cooperate and coalesce to neutralise that as much as possible. the auestion that as much as possible. the question is — that as much as possible. the question is how, _ that as much as possible. the question is how, and tony are you are nodding along. the thing is, we have countries, not so much the uk but other countries so dependent and would take such a hit if they did do the final thing which is to slop —— stopped all import and energy dependency on russia. will it get to that? , . ., , , ., that? these countries will depend on russia but the _ that? these countries will depend on russia but the reality _ that? these countries will depend on russia but the reality is _ that? these countries will depend on russia but the reality is that - that? these countries will depend on russia but the reality is that they - russia but the reality is that they are bankrolling this and paying for those _ are bankrolling this and paying for those people to be murdered, so we are having _ those people to be murdered, so we are having terrible problems in this country— are having terrible problems in this country with the energy crisis and there _ country with the energy crisis and there are — country with the energy crisis and there are systemic issues that need to be _ there are systemic issues that need to be dealt— there are systemic issues that need to be dealt with but i think time is of the _ to be dealt with but i think time is of the essence. one of the things i want _ of the essence. one of the things i want to— of the essence. one of the things i want to say— of the essence. one of the things i want to say about sanctions, the first tranche of sanctions and the third. _ first tranche of sanctions and the third. they— first tranche of sanctions and the third, they are the beginning of sanctions — third, they are the beginning of sanctions against russia and we could _ sanctions against russia and we could ban— sanctions against russia and we could ban all russian companies from dealing _ could ban all russian companies from dealing with the west and ban every russian _

dealing with the west and ban every russian bank and take significantly more _ russian bank and take significantly more serious action than we have taken _ more serious action than we have taken already in the second thing i want _ taken already in the second thing i want to— taken already in the second thing i want to say— taken already in the second thing i want to say about sanctions as this has to— want to say about sanctions as this has to be _ want to say about sanctions as this has to be sanctions across the piece which _ has to be sanctions across the piece which mean — has to be sanctions across the piece which mean social, cultural, sporting _ which mean social, cultural, sporting and i was thinking the other— sporting and i was thinking the other day— sporting and i was thinking the other day about the pate regime in south _ other day about the pate regime in south africa and how it was culturally cut off from the rest of the world — culturally cut off from the rest of the world as well as facing sanctions. and i also think we have to think— sanctions. and i also think we have to think about it in terms of sanctions _ to think about it in terms of sanctions which should be socially unacceptable to do business with russia _ unacceptable to do business with russia. that is the situation that i wanted _ russia. that is the situation that i wanted to— russia. that is the situation that i wanted to get to in the west. that mi . ht well wanted to get to in the west. that might well be _ wanted to get to in the west. trust might well be something of a road we are heading down and whether we get there completely is a different matter but it is moving in that direction, but the thing is, all governments across europe have the turnaround to their citizens and say there is a cost of living crisis like there is in the uk, your energy bills are going up dramatically and some people are choosing about whether they have food on the table or heat their homes and you would

have to tell those people that your bills will go up even more because this is the action we are taking. we cannot pretend that is an easy choice for politicians to make. ida. choice for politicians to make. no, it's not choice for politicians to make. no, it's rrot an — choice for politicians to make. no, it's rrot an easy — choice for politicians to make. idfr, it's not an easy choice or a vote winner and it is not going to watch those crucial numbers go up in the polls but i guess that is why the significance of these pictures coming out of the region in europe, much as we grumble, and we will be grumbling in the weeks and months ahead because of that crunch on our cost of living, and our state of well—being and i guess, to remind ourselves that it is all relative and that we are not in the position of ukraine, it's a very tough sell for the government but that is what happens when you have a globalised system stop we have all enjoyed the benefits of globalisation for the best part of half a century and this is the crunch. it best part of half a century and this is the crunch.— is the crunch. it is the crunch. comina is the crunch. it is the crunch. coming back _ is the crunch. it is the crunch. coming back to _ is the crunch. it is the crunch. coming back to the _ is the crunch. it is the crunch. coming back to the media -

is the crunch. it is the crunch. i coming back to the media centric point, i suppose, coming back to the media centric point, isuppose, but coming back to the media centric point, i suppose, but the phrase you mention, caroline, that we know what is going on and we see it through the images and pictures, and i want to come back to something we started with antoni, your thoughts on this, we have these awful pictures and these awful stories and we are learning the details, but on that decision by tv broadcasters on the bbc included, but the paper front pages, what exactly to put on your front page and how graphic to be to get the point across or not. it's a difficult balance. what are your thoughts? mr; difficult balance. what are your thou~hts? g ., ., , thoughts? my main thought is if you look at other — thoughts? my main thought is if you look at other countries _ thoughts? my main thought is if you look at other countries and - thoughts? my main thought is if you look at other countries and what - look at other countries and what their— look at other countries and what their television news is you would be so _ their television news is you would be so shocked by the graphic nature of what _ be so shocked by the graphic nature of what they show. in the uk has always— of what they show. in the uk has always been, i think, quite cautious about— always been, i think, quite cautious about the _ always been, i think, quite cautious about the use of these images and there _ about the use of these images and there is— about the use of these images and there is a — about the use of these images and there is a concern that people will become _ there is a concern that people will become desensitised to these images and i'm _ become desensitised to these images and i'm not— become desensitised to these images and i'm not sure what i think about that _ and i'm not sure what i think about that but _

and i'm not sure what i think about that but it— and i'm not sure what i think about that. but it is one of the tools we can use _ that. but it is one of the tools we can use to— that. but it is one of the tools we can use to get across to people the horrifying _ can use to get across to people the horrifying nature of what is happening but i would also point out the horrifying scenes that we are not seeing on our screens. you get those — not seeing on our screens. you get those in — not seeing on our screens. you get those in every war and in every conflict — those in every war and in every conflict and decisions have to be made _ conflict and decisions have to be made about what to show when you have to _ made about what to show when you have to remember these people are human— have to remember these people are human beings. these peoples loved ones that— human beings. these peoples loved ones that have been and murdered in this way— ones that have been and murdered in this way so— ones that have been and murdered in this way so there is a balancing of respect _ this way so there is a balancing of respect as— this way so there is a balancing of respect as well, which i think is important _ respect as well, which i think is important-— respect as well, which i think is imortant. ., ., , , , important. caroline, 'ust briefly, it's a difficult h important. caroline, 'ust briefly, it's a difficult issue _ important. caroline, just briefly, it's a difficult issue and - important. caroline, just briefly, it's a difficult issue and do - important. caroline, just briefly, it's a difficult issue and do you . it's a difficult issue and do you echo what tony is grappling with. i do and i would ask that one of the great reaches for excusing an alibi has been that we did not know and i think if anything the careful selection of images, the great danger as we become numb and the demanding was to receive them can be too high but we cannot say we did not know. .

too high but we cannot say we did rrot know- -_ not know. . very true and thank you for talkinu not know. . very true and thank you for talking us _ not know. . very true and thank you for talking us through _ not know. . very true and thank you for talking us through what - not know. . very true and thank you for talking us through what has - for talking us through what has been a difficult ten or 15 minutes because of the nature of the story is dominating the front pages but thank you very much, thank you. that is in for the papers and we will be back at 1130, but that is it and this is bbc news. goodbye. in an unassuming garage in the netherlands, there's an electric car with a secret.

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