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oh, i don't know where to start, really. it's really a sad day. she was an absolute powerhouse. she was incredible to work with. she was fun, she was professional. every single scene she did, every word she said, was truthful. and that's why i think everybody fell in love with her. what had begun as just a few weeks�* work turned into a role that lasted 35 years. dot cotton could easily have just come and gone. but it was june brown who turned her into an indispensable part of albert square. the actressjune brown, better known as dot cotton of eastenders, who's died at the age of 95. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night.
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good evening — i'm sonja jessup. while many londoners are seeing their weekly food bill shoot up, hello, and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are dan sabbagh, who's the defence and security editor at the guardian, and the author and journalist, emma woolf. let's take a look at some of tomorrow's front pages — and a warning that some contain distressing images. the metro leads with the mayor of motyzhyn and her family — reportedly kidnapped, tortured, and killed by russian troops as ukraine's president says soldiers are killing civilians for pleasure. the i reports that europe is split on funding putin's war. joe biden calls for putin to face war crimes trial, while president macron demands a ban on russian energy.
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the ft leads with this, too, with both the us and france calling for a significant escalation of sanctions against russia. in other news, "it's now or never" to limit global warming, say un scientists. they published their report today which the un secretary general has described as "damning". and the telegraph leads with the government's plans to privatise the broadcaster, channel 4. offers for the channel are expected to be tabled next year. so to be tabled next year. let's begin, the paper is dominated so let's begin, the paper is dominated by ukraine as they have been for weeks now. let's start with the ftc, whose lead story is france seeks a ban on russian coal and oil, as the us urges a war crime trials. talk is there some of the details in it. , talk is there some of the details in it. y , u, talk is there some of the details in it. , , .. . , it. very significant details in here because we've — it. very significant details in here because we've seen _ it. very significant details in here because we've seen in _ it. very significant details in here because we've seen in the - it. very significant details in here because we've seen in the last i it. very significant details in here - because we've seen in the last 24-48 because we've seen in the last 24—48 hours is as horrible news that's come out of bucha, which is 25 km
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northwest of kyiv where russian forces have been occupying for the best part of the last month and finally retreated. we've seen reports of mass graves, of civilians being found tied up and shot dead, bodies in the streets, all these kinds of things. so today is a significant development, and joe biden, the us president, calling for a war crimes trial of vladimir putin himself, and emmanuel macron calling for a hardening of sanctions, a ban on oil and gas imports from russia which obviously has been the final step dell macro economic step the west could take against russia. that will be difficult because franks has a big industry that's reliant —— france. but germany is significantly reliant on russian gas, perhaps the third, maybe more. this is a big problem and i think the real tension
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now will be on france and the us, uk, and germany which might sympathise and want to take the steps macron is talking about, but might struggle to do so.— might struggle to do so. emma, the financial times _ might struggle to do so. emma, the financial times is _ might struggle to do so. emma, the financial times is drawing _ might struggle to do so. emma, the financial times is drawing a - financial times is drawing a distinction between what france is calling for her, seeking a ban on russian coal and oil, but not on russian coal and oil, but not on russian gas imports, speaking directly to what dan is saying, that germany is very reliant on russian gas. germany is very reliant on russian ras_ ., . , germany is very reliant on russian as. y , , , , gas. exactly, the pressure is mounting — gas. exactly, the pressure is mounting on _ gas. exactly, the pressure is mounting on germany. - gas. exactly, the pressure is- mounting on germany. obviously the g7 nato _ mounting on germany. obviously the g7 nato meeting later this week, it looks_ g7 nato meeting later this week, it looks as _ g7 nato meeting later this week, it looks as though germany will be forced _ looks as though germany will be forced to, — looks as though germany will be forced to, whether or not to agree with the _ forced to, whether or not to agree with the sanctions, or step up. money— with the sanctions, or step up. money is— with the sanctions, or step up. money is still flowing from the west into putin's war machine, and that's a fact, _ into putin's war machine, and that's a fact, ilut— into putin's war machine, and that's a fact, but the other problem is the
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energy— a fact, but the other problem is the energy supply takes a while to establish, you can'tjust establish a thriving — establish, you can'tjust establish a thriving nuclear industry. there's a thriving nuclear industry. there's a problem — a thriving nuclear industry. there's a problem with german gas, as berlin is finding _ a problem with german gas, as berlin is finding out. so a problem with german gas, as berlin is finding out-— is finding out. so germany doesn't lan is finding out. so germany doesn't [an to is finding out. so germany doesn't plan to and — is finding out. so germany doesn't plan to and its _ is finding out. so germany doesn't plan to and its reliance _ is finding out. so germany doesn't plan to and its reliance until - plan to and its reliance until mid-2024, plan to and its reliance until mid—2024, so you can't do these things dan, i wonder if up until now, europe, the west has congratulated itself on putting a united front when it comes to dealing with russia — are we starting to see that united front being tested? i starting to see that united front being tested?— starting to see that united front being tested? i think tested is a aood being tested? i think tested is a good word. _ being tested? i think tested is a good word. but _ being tested? i think tested is a good word, but france - being tested? i think tested is a good word, but france and - being tested? i think tested is a - good word, but france and germany will want to stay close together on this, and there is a strong desire for unity on these nations in the west when it comes to economic sanctions on russia. so there's a strong recognition on the part of uk
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and france that germany has difficulty here and a strong desire to work together. i think they will try and find ways to explore that, i think you touched on the earlier when we talked about how it's easier to talk about some of the oil imports, but it's more difficult for germany. so again, macron wants to move forward on gas too. i think for now, there'll be as best and if it is possible to find a way of moving in lockstep, because that is too much to russia's advantage. and everybody knows that.— much to russia's advantage. and everybody knows that. emma, turning to the front page _ everybody knows that. emma, turning to the front page of— everybody knows that. emma, turning to the front page of the _ everybody knows that. emma, turning to the front page of the independent l to the front page of the independent which has this gut—wrenching photograph on the front, the atrocities of bucha and a quote from atrocities of bucha and a quote from a woman from the town where russian soldiers killed scores of unarmed civilians. there is no question in
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the independent�*s mind that what is going on is war crimes, essentially. i don't know how anyone can call anything — i don't know how anyone can call anything else. whether or not we actually go as far as calling it genocide, it's the only question at the moment. but there is footage of president _ the moment. but there is footage of president zelensky walking around bucha _ president zelensky walking around bucha today, monday in the papers, and just— bucha today, monday in the papers, and just terribly moving, meeting and just terribly moving, meeting and talking to people at food banks, looking _ and talking to people at food banks, looking at _ and talking to people at food banks, looking at the devastation. they've found _ looking at the devastation. they've found over — looking at the devastation. they've found over 400 civilians in those towns _ found over 400 civilians in those towns and — found over 400 civilians in those towns and suburbs around who have been _ towns and suburbs around who have been murdered, tied up, children have _ been murdered, tied up, children have been— been murdered, tied up, children have been killed, it's absolutely devastating, the reports coming out of bucha _ devastating, the reports coming out of bucha and other places around the capitat _ of bucha and other places around the ca - ital. of bucha and other places around the caital. ,., ., of bucha and other places around the caital. , capital. dan, the point has been made by correspondence - capital. dan, the point has been made by correspondence on - capital. dan, the point has been made by correspondence on the j capital. dan, the point has been - made by correspondence on the ground who have covered many wars, and they
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say that war is brutal, war is horrific. i wonder if you think there is something about this war which we are seeing unfold in real time, if you like, with correspondence, journalists there on the ground seeing things as they happen, if there's something that makes is particularly immediate? you've hit it on the head there, there's an immediacy around this because the cell phone network still works in ukraine, an awful lot of people have got camera phones and able to document terrible incidents happening or the aftermath of the incidents, and you can see that, people can follow that in a relatively unfiltered way if they wish to on their own phones, in britain, at lunch time or wherever they choose. so there's an incredible immediacy about this conflict. what we will see over the coming days, i'm afraid, is almost
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certainly more of this, because russian troops have since withdrawn and large numbers notjust from bucha but the northwest of kyiv, other places like chermihiv and sumy. i think we will see more examples of the atrocities, of war crimes and all the other things you talked about, cold—blooded murder, rape being used as a weapon of war and many other things. these things happen in war zones is one thing, but it's happening right in front of us now and itjust has a power and potency that i think will be very difficult for russia to deal with. ok. emma, the front page of the guardian, it's now or never if the world is to stave off climate disaster, this from the ipcc, the
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international panel on climate change. one of the papers, not necessarily the guardian, is suggesting this isn't as bad news as it might sound, because effectively they are saying we still have a chance. , . h, they are saying we still have a chance. , . ,., _, , chance. the independent also covers it, now or chance. the independent also covers it. now or never— chance. the independent also covers it, now or never to _ chance. the independent also covers it, now or never to prevent _ chance. the independent also covers it, now or never to prevent the - it, now or never to prevent the worst — it, now or never to prevent the worst of— it, now or never to prevent the worst of the climate crisis, if the world is— worst of the climate crisis, if the world is to — worst of the climate crisis, if the world is to stave off the climate disaster — world is to stave off the climate disaster. what is effectively the final report, because each report from _ final report, because each report from the — final report, because each report from the ipcc takes about seven years _ from the ipcc takes about seven years to — from the ipcc takes about seven years to complete, this is the third stage _ years to complete, this is the third stage of— years to complete, this is the third stage of their latest reports by the time the _ stage of their latest reports by the time the next report out, it'll be too late — time the next report out, it'll be too late. they say now we have to -et too late. they say now we have to get those — too late. they say now we have to get those global missions into decline. — get those global missions into decline, and that by 2025, 2030, we have to _ decline, and that by 2025, 2030, we have to half — decline, and that by 2025, 2030, we have to half global emissions. and
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actually, _ have to half global emissions. and actually, an interesting part of this report, they say in terms of the cost — this report, they say in terms of the cost of— this report, they say in terms of the cost of global gdp, it's not that high — the real cost is the effort — that high — the real cost is the effort it'ii _ that high — the real cost is the effort it'll take from businesses, from _ effort it'll take from businesses, from government and individuals, all of us to— from government and individuals, all of us to do— from government and individuals, all of us to do something right now. and that's it, is — of us to do something right now. fific that's it, is there the of us to do something right now. fific that's it, is there the political will to force this through? i that's it, is there the political will to force this through? i think it's a very _ will to force this through? i think it's a very open _ will to force this through? i think it's a very open question, - will to force this through? i think it's a very open question, just. it's a very open question, just dragging it back to ukraine momentarily, we've onlyjust been talking about whether there should be a ban on fossil fuel imports from russia, but there isjust be a ban on fossil fuel imports from russia, but there is just a strong hydrocarbon dimension here because the shift in oil prices has also been — technologies like fracking are becoming more commercially attractive, so it's confused british strategy where it boris johnson wants to reintroduce or bring
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forward some sort of fracking in the uk as the prices are high. sol think we've got a clear and present crisis when it comes to thermal heating, but we've also got a complex political dashed you political backdrop, meaning just that bit more fraud, how does germany give off gas quickly? is more gas from a country like qatar, importing it by boats — it doesn't really solve the global heating problem. so we've got a lot of complexity to deal with in the medium—term, the political will have to be stronger. medium-term, the political will have to be stronger-— to be stronger. that's really interesting. _ to be stronger. that's really interesting, ella, _ to be stronger. that's really interesting, ella, do - to be stronger. that's really interesting, ella, do you - to be stronger. that's really l interesting, ella, do you think to be stronger. that's really - interesting, ella, do you think the crisis in ukraine is minds and making people concentrate on what alternatives might be? or is it
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leading to a potential short—term decisions was blue it brings into sharp relief and dan is right, that focus — even talking about the difference between oil and gas and who has— difference between oil and gas and who has what, it's an area where it's very— who has what, it's an area where it's very easy, as we've seen at copu— it's very easy, as we've seen at copp 27 _ it's very easy, as we've seen at copp 27 -- — it's very easy, as we've seen at copp 27 —— cop26, actually getting down _ copp 27 —— cop26, actually getting down to— copp 27 —— cop26, actually getting down to the nitty—gritty and making sacrifices _ down to the nitty—gritty and making sacrifices in terms of geopolitically, finding alternatives is really. — geopolitically, finding alternatives is really, really hard. it's an incredibly— is really, really hard. it's an incredibly complex situation. some suggestion in the reports that countries have been lying about making — countries have been lying about making huge efforts and then simply foiiowing _ making huge efforts and then simply following through. so it needs immediate action, yet it's such a long _ immediate action, yet it's such a long term — immediate action, yet it's such a long term crisis.— long term crisis. moving to the front page _ long term crisis. moving to the front page of — long term crisis. moving to the front page of the _ long term crisis. moving to the front page of the daily - long term crisis. moving to the i front page of the daily telegraph, its main story, channel 4 set to be
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taken private. what are they reporting?— taken private. what are they re-aortin? �*, , . ,, reporting? there's been some talk about this by _ reporting? there's been some talk about this by the _ reporting? there's been some talk about this by the government, i reporting? there's been some talk about this by the government, but| about this by the government, but now it's definitely going to happen — channel 4, which has been state owned ever since it was founded, is to be privatised and they want to do it for the next election, not to give channel for a get out ofjail free card or hope that a different government might win the election and the privatisation doesn't happen. might be worth i and the privatisation doesn't happen. might be worthi million —— £1 billion to the treasury. what's really underlying this, and perhaps this is showing that the news is moving away from ukraine, but what's happening is there's a feeling of the culture war moment, channel 4 is considered a left—leaning, left of centre broadcaster, particularly some of its news output, and that something, it's been antagonistic
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towards the government, and towards the perimeter. so there's a real feeling that this is a personal politcised decision by borisjohnson in this government. politcised decision by boris johnson in this government.— in this government. emma, do you auree? in this government. emma, do you agree? yes. _ in this government. emma, do you agree? yes. just — in this government. emma, do you agree? yes, just remembering i in this government. emma, do you i agree? yes, just remembering when agree? yes, 'ust remembering when channelfor agree? yes, just remembering when channel for substitutes _ agree? yes, just remembering when channel for substitutes boris - channel for substitutes boris johnson _ channel for substitutes boris johnson for the melting ice plot during — johnson for the melting ice plot during one of their debates. —— channei— during one of their debates. —— channel in _ during one of their debates. —— channel4. if during one of their debates. —— channel 4. if this were to go through. _ channel 4. if this were to go through, as dan says, this decision comes— through, as dan says, this decision comes after— through, as dan says, this decision comes after years of clashes between the government and the broadcaster. but if— the government and the broadcaster. but if this— the government and the broadcaster. but if this goes through, it really puts a _ but if this goes through, it really puts a lot — but if this goes through, it really puts a lot of independent tv production companies at risk. and it could _ production companies at risk. and it could likely — production companies at risk. and it could likely be bought by a foreign buyer— could likely be bought by a foreign buyer for— could likely be bought by a foreign buyer for a price tag of £1 billion of. . . . ., buyer for a price tag of £1 billion of. r . . ., ., buyer for a price tag of £1 billion of. according to sources in the telegraph's — of. according to sources in the telegraph's report, _ of. according to sources in the telegraph's report, channel i of. according to sources in the telegraph's report, channel 4| of. according to sources in the i telegraph's report, channel 4 will remain a public service broadcaster. how do you see that working, emma? how do you see that working, emma? how does that work if it's owned by the us— how does that work if it's owned by
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