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hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones this is outside source. the president of ukraine has demanded that russia be expelled from the un security council for war crimes. volodymyr zelensky tells the un general assembly of the murder, torture and rape of civilians in the town of bucha — and warns that more attrocities could be discovered. translation: the world has yet to see what they have done - in other occupied cities and regions of our country. after four days of trying to get a humanitarian convoy into the city of mariupol, the international committe of the red cross speaks to the bbc. there is further evidence of destruction to the south and the as civilians try to escape the
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fighting. translation: it doesn't exist any more. - it's been destroyed by shelling or an air strike. i don't have anywhere to go, and i still don't know whether my wife is alive or not. and there are warnings the number of people in extreme positive in the uk could increase by more than two thirds. we will see how people in northern ireland are making ends meet. hello and welcome to the programme. ukrainian president volodymr zelensky has delivered a devastating address to the world's top diplomatic body — the un security council. he's demanding full accountability for the alleged atrocities carried out by russian forces. central to this is the town of bucha. it's just to the north—west of the capital, kyiv. ukraine recaptured it very recently, and as russian forces withdrew from there, we began to hear reports of bodies discovered on the streets. first, let's hearfrom the ukrainian president. translation: yesterday i returned
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from our city of bucha _ recently liberated from russian troops not farfrom kyiv, so there is not a single crime that they would not commit there. the russian military searched for and purposefully killed anyone who served our country. they shot and killed women outside our houses when theyjust tried to call someone who is alive. they killed entire families, adults and children, and they tried to burn the bodies. the result of russia's actions in our country, in ukraine, the most terrible war crimes of all times we see since the end of world war ii and they are being committed. russian troops are deliberately destroying ukrainian cities to ashes with artillery and air strikes. they are deliberately blocking cities, creating mass starvation
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and they deliberately shoot columns of civilians on the road trying to create hostilities. they even deliberately blow up shelters where civilians hide from air strikes. they even deliberately creating conditions in the occupied territories so that as many civilians as possible are killed there. these are the allegations so far. ukraine says at least a10 bodies were discovered in bucha, and in other areas around the capital — though the bbc can't verify that number. officials also describe finding five bodies with their hands tied in what they called a "torture chamber" in a basement. and this satellite image shows what appears to be a mass grave in a churchyard. the ukraine human rights ombudsman says up to 300 bodies could be buried there. the bbc has seen further evidence of civilian killings — including a shallow grave where four people were allegedly buried after being shot dead by russian forces. the secretary general of nato had this to say. nato�*s task is to provide support to ukraine and we do so with the modern
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military equipment, financial military equipment, financial military support and also humanitarian support then it is for the ukrainian government and for president zelensky and the people of ukraine to decide what kind of piece arrangements they can expect. we know that there is a very close link between what they can achieve at the negotiating table and their strength on the battlefield, so the stronger we are able to make them on the battlefield the more support, the most strength we can provide to the ukrainian armed forces, the better results they can achieve at negotiating table. the bbc has been hearing from someone who escaped bucha when the war began, but has remained in touch with people there. we are experiencing a very horrible time and these harbours ijust, you know, —— these horrors are just, time and these harbours ijust, you know, —— these horrors arejust, you know... i am speechless when i look
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at them. the entire world has to use see them because of the world doesn't know what is happening here at the world leads its ordinary everyday life, does this and usual, and thousands of people die here. it is sad. all 12 people that i know died here, and notjust, you know, died here, and notjust, you know, died because of age or some sickness or covid—i9, they died because they were killed deliberately. moscow has consistently denied any responsibility for the civilian deaths. but have a look at this satellite picture from three weeks ago. it shows bodies lying in the streets — when russian forces were still in control of bucha. along another section of the road, the image shows what appear to be more bodies on the ground. today, at the un security council, we heard the russian ambassador repeat those denials. he also repeated the baseless russian allegation that ukraine's government — led by president zelensky, who isjewish — are nazis.
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translation: the national heroes of ukraine and nazi _ translation: the national heroes of ukraine and nazi collaborators - translation: the national heroes of ukraine and nazi collaborators who i ukraine and nazi collaborators who are responsible not only for the holocaust but the killing of hundreds of thousands of peaceful poles, russians, ukrainians and dues. you simply preferred not to notice ukrainian nazis pretending that they are simply not there but unfortunately they are there and they are very many of them and among them a lot of young people. how do we know that? well, they are not concealing it! they have tattoos made, nazi tattoos, they did decorate their closing with swastikas and other nazi symbols, they given that she —— they give nazi greetings and they are open about it on the social media. this is the assessment from human rights barrister, helena kennedy. she's been appointed to a ukrainian task force investigating the alleged
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atrocities commited by russian forces. the satellite images showing that the bodies were on the ground and in place while the russians were there because the story is from the russian perspective that this was altogether, people's hands were tied on dead bodies after the russians had left and it was really nothing to do with them. they seem to be suggesting that ukraine has maliciously murdered its own citizens in order to blame the russians. well, ithink citizens in order to blame the russians. well, i think we do know and have evidence of bombing of civilian residential areas, of hospitals, of orphanages, of places where they might be children who were in hiding with theirfamilies, so we really do have a level of evidence of all of that bombardment. some appalling details there. more details from new york. president
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zelensky gave a brutal, scathing attack at lots of times but also a very powerful and emotional address to the united nations? yes. to the united nations? yes, absolutely. _ to the united nations? yes, absolutely, and, _ to the united nations? yes, absolutely, and, you - to the united nations? yes, absolutely, and, you know, | to the united nations? yes, i absolutely, and, you know, he to the united nations? 133 absolutely, and, you know, he really did come with, i think, three main messages for council members. first, he wanted them to see in graphic detail the atrocities that he alleged were being committed by russian troops in blucher and he showed a video that it was extremely graphic of bodies named, bodies burned including children in the towns of irpin, bucha, mariupol, and he said that the kind of full light of what russia is accused of is now... the world is starting to see it and it's happening in other occupied cities that people aren't aware of so he said it was imperative for russian forces to be held accountable and part of that he said was un reform. he said the un
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security council, because of russia's veto, because it has been paralysed, hasn't been fulfilling its duty to maintain international peace and security and he said of the un can't be performed it should be dissolved. the un can't be performed it should be dissolved-— be dissolved. which is quite extreme. — be dissolved. which is quite extreme, he _ be dissolved. which is quite extreme, he would - be dissolved. which is quite extreme, he would have - be dissolved. which is quite - extreme, he would have thought. not much chance of that. what does happen now, though? what action is available to the international community?— available to the international community? available to the international communi ? , . , ., community? yes, that is white and i think a lot of — community? yes, that is white and i think a lot of ambassadors - community? yes, that is white and i think a lot of ambassadors he - think a lot of ambassadors he understood the frustration from president zelensky —— that is right. calls to dissolve un kick much of the security council when there is no real mechanism to do that are not going to be gaining ground here in new york. what will be gaining ground, possibly, is kicking rusher of the un human rights council in geneva and in order to do that western nations here are calling for a vote in the general assembly
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saying if they get that two thirds majority of nations voting russia can be kicked off. they are now in a second term and the un ambassador has said it is the height of hypocrisy that russia would serve anybody that is meant to promote and respect human rights and that it was dangerous, too, for russia to remain on the council. brute dangerous, too, for russia to remain on the council-— on the council. we heard russia give its version of — on the council. we heard russia give its version of events _ on the council. we heard russia give its version of events which _ on the council. we heard russia give its version of events which many - its version of events which many around the world will take with a degree of scepticism. i want to ask you, though, about china. they have an interesting role in all of this. what did they say?— an interesting role in all of this. what did they say? yes. i think a lot of ambassadors _ what did they say? yes. i think a lot of ambassadors talked - what did they say? yes. i think a lot of ambassadors talked about | what did they say? yes. i think a - lot of ambassadors talked about how moved they were, how sobering it was to hear from moved they were, how sobering it was to hearfrom president zelensky moved they were, how sobering it was to hear from president zelensky and even china's ambassador to the un said it was a very disturbing to see these images of civilians dead in these images of civilians dead in the streets of blucher. he kept that because, again, china is an ally of
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russia's on the council by saying that all accounts must be verified, everything has to be checked out, so not really, you know, taking the western account there of the evidence of the satellite images that they say prove the atrocities were committed while she was still in control of bucha but i think it just shows you across the board and in the council how many were affected by what they were saying and understand the gravity of continues on in ukrainejust not in the know, the effects of the people in ukraine but globally for the international order, for the idea of rules —based war, all of this is extremely concerning, i think, from members of the council. just extremely concerning, i think, from members of the council.— extremely concerning, i think, from members of the council. just give us a flavour of — members of the council. just give us a flavour of the _ members of the council. just give us a flavour of the mood _ members of the council. just give us a flavour of the mood in _ members of the council. just give us a flavour of the mood in the - members of the council. just give us a flavour of the mood in the room. l a flavour of the mood in the room. we showed some voters earlier aren't just a butcher which appeared to refute russia's claims and repeated
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allegations —— we showed some photos earlier on of bucha. if in a sense that they listen to russia's claims with a degree of scepticism? as it opened? what is the feeling they're about how much of his standing on the international community? —— how russia is standing? i the international community? -- how russia is standing?— russia is standing? i think you could tell right _ russia is standing? i think you could tell right from _ russia is standing? i think you could tell right from the - russia is standing? i think you could tell right from the start l russia is standing? i think you | could tell right from the start of the meeting just out acrimonious the whole environment is now in the security council. the russian ambassador started off accusing the president at the security council, the uk ambassador to the un of outrageously denying his request for a security council meeting because he had requested one specifically to talk about russia's accounts and claims about bucha and the uk president combined the meetings today when we were going to be hearing from president zelensky, the secretary general and other un officials who could give their accounts of what they are hearing,
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the official accounts in the un. which they confirmed they have been hearing about the use of cluster munitions and indiscriminate targeting of civilian populations and they have verified accounts of what could be war crimes in russia and so, as i say, it is a very acrimonious environment in the council but there really is no holding back when it comes to un officials and western nations and others as well who believe that russia isjust others as well who believe that russia is just using the council to spread lies and propaganda. russia isjust using the council to spread lies and propaganda. thanks for much for — spread lies and propaganda. thanks for much for that. _ let's look at what's been happening across ukraine now.
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also at the un, ukraine's president says borodyanka — that's another town near kyiv in the north — may have suffered more than other towns abandoned by russian troops. the bbc�*sjeremy bowen has visited there — and clive myrie asked him what it was like. i want to show you what he said. badly damaged. i would say the damage there, physical, structural damage there, physical, structural damage is worse than bucha. i have been to bucha and i have been to a pin i would say of the towns of that size i have seen in the district this is the worst. a lot of people here, numerous people in numerous interviewees said there were deaf people don't like dead people under the rubble. they have no lifting gear and cannot lift it up. i spoke to one man who said until the night of a big air strike he had been staying in the cellar and for some reason did go in last night. 20 to 30 people are missing and police have said there are perhaps 200 or 300 under the rubble. it is all an estimate at the moment until they actually start digging. the thing to remember is that under crimes of war, under international law, killing civilians is not allowed unless you can somehow prove it was
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a military target and, also, wanton destruction and the destruction in the junket is destruction and the destruction in thejunket is decidedly destruction and the destruction in the junket is decidedly wanton. that is also a war crime. also, wanton destruction ——and the destruction in borodyanka is decidedly wanton. that is also a war crime. ukraine is aiming to take control of the donetsk in luhansk regions. let's hear no now from frank gardner. the first stage of this war is over. russia hasn't won it but has made huge territorial gains in the south and more or less sealed off this land corridor they wanted in the south now and they control pretty much two thirds of ukraine's black sea coast. they control a lot of the
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donbas which is a predominantly russian speaking area where there is still quite a lot of sympathy for russia there. ukraine does not want to give up an inch of that territory but i will be decided on the battlefield and much of his slowly lifting its forces up and reinforcing forces there which it has got tackling regular ukrainian troops. at the same time, it has withdrawn quite a lot of its northern forces across the border into belarus and into russia to resupply, replenish and patch up because they didn't do very well. talking about russia's attempt to control access to the black sea, let's look at that. russia has continued its attack on cities which connect ukraine to the black sea. in a bit we will look at mariupol but first let's go to the city of mykolaiv. russian troops of stone there after you counter attacks. drilling continues. people died there yesterday. but first let's go to the city of mykolaiv. russian troops have stalled there
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after ukrainian counter attacks — but shelling continues. 11 people died there yesterday. mykolaiv�*s mayor spoke to journalists outside a civilian building that was hit. all those people were just civilians who worked in their offices, who worked on evacuation, products and other stuff, so these are just victims of the putin regime. the mayor attended a funeral later — you can see these residents of mykolaiv grieving people they've lost. and during the service, the mayor said this... and they died just for nothing and all those people died. it's really hard for me, but i understand it's war and you can'tjust, you know, sit and cry. we need to go further. we need to go forward. now to the city of mariupol. this is what it looks like — it's been bombed to the ground. russians have been trying to take it for more than a month. hundreds of thousands of people have been trapped there with no clean water or electricity and limited food and medical supplies. sergei orlov is the deputy mayor of mariupol. it appears to me that about 150,000
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civilians are still in my view pol and among them 5—7% are children so all of them are living underground in bomb shelters and in any spaces below the earth just not to be killed by the bombardment, air strikes, using missiles, artillery, so there are constant battles inside the city. street battles, tent battles, so people are surviving and using any possibility not to be killed and this is from military situation and, of course, from bituminous heavy on the situation is awful. people live without anything. without food, water, medicine, they just surviving. with official aid corridors not working, hundreds are evacuating the area by themselves. people are only able to flee many people on foot or by private car. tom bateman sent this report from the town of zaporizhia
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where some people have managed to flee. a warning, there are distressing images in his report. all they had to warn off the russian guns was a white scarf. they've survived the long journey through the front line, but now they're pleading for help for those left in mariupol. translation: ifeel pity for the kids, the women. how many homes were destroyed? you can rebuild houses, but you can't bring people back. russia has laid siege to mariupol for over a month now. nearly 5000 people including more than 200 children have been killed, say ukraine officials. this is your home? lubov shows me what's left of where she lived. with her son and granddaughter, she sheltered in the basement for days. "this was my daughter's
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house," she says. evgeny left for a work trip just before the invasion. he texts his wife, svetla na, every day, but there's no answer. they last spoke a month ago in a desperate call during the shelling, and now their home is gone. translation: it doesn't exist any more. - it's been destroyed by shelling or an air strike. i don't have anywhere to go. and i still don't know whether my wife is alive or not. difficult to hear that, isn't it? we can go live now to anna foster in lviv. let's start with the latest in the south, mariupol. we have been talking for days now about the efforts to try to get aid in but, just as importantly, trying to get people out. still no success, ? ha.
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people out. still no success,? no. it still isn't — people out. still no success,? lift it still isn't happening. it was first mooted in a serious way on thursday of last week and each day it keeps getting pushed back and pushed back. we heard yesterday that the team from the international committee of the red cross had been detained on their way to mariupol, briefly detained but they were released again but the key facts out there is still no humanitarian aid getting into that the siege city and there are still very few people getting out. you heard in tom's report there that some people do manage it but it is perilous. it is a very difficult and dangerous journey and what they really need now is to be able to bring people out in numbers, some of those tens of thousands of people who are trapped. they need to try and get them out of that city and to do that they need some kind of large—scale humanitarian corridor. find they need some kind of large-scale humanitarian corridor.— humanitarian corridor. and the chances are — humanitarian corridor. and the chances are that _ humanitarian corridor. and the chances are that seem, - humanitarian corridor. and the chances are that seem, well, | humanitarian corridor. and the i chances are that seem, well, we reported every day on what we hoped was a new enthusiasm and there were
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certainly bosses on the road at points but there seem to be a need for security guarantees on both sides for obvious reasons that the convoy wouldn't be hit by either side and some suggesting in ukrainian waters that actually the fact that it has been so difficult to establish convoys and get them in is that russia simply isn't taking it seriously. russia desperately wants to take the city of mariupol. i think that is why things are looking the way they are. when russia looks at what it is trying to do now strategically, the areas it has failed to capture like the area around the capital kyiv, for example, we know they have refocused their military effort on the east of their military effort on the east of the country and on the south of the country and many people is key for russia. it would give it a land corridor to annex crimea which doesn't exist at the moment. there is just a doesn't exist at the moment. there isjust a bridge doesn't exist at the moment. there is just a bridge that they have to use to move people and supplies so for russia mariupol is a valuable target and i think that is one of
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the reasons why it is proving so difficult to try and establish this humanitarian corridor. they really don't want to let go while the fighting is going on. {lila don't want to let go while the fighting is going on. ok, anna. let's move _ fighting is going on. ok, anna. let's move and _ fighting is going on. ok, anna. let's move and talk— fighting is going on. ok, anna. let's move and talk now - fighting is going on. ok, anna. let's move and talk now about| fighting is going on. ok, anna. - let's move and talk now about bucha which has been an extraordinary small town that obviously most people around the world wouldn't have heard of and now president zelensky by addressing the united nations and the way he did focusing in on it and we have seen the images of it will now be scarred and sony people's images. ijust want of it will now be scarred and sony people's images. i just want to bring you one line from the afp news agency that we are just getting here with russia's foreign minister sergey lavrov singh the bucha war crime claims aim to torpedo ukraine talks from aim to torpedo ukraine talks from aim to torpedo ukraine talks so from his perspective highlighting of these claims in bukit being used to torpedo the peace talks. bukit being used to torpedo the peace talks-— bukit being used to torpedo the eace talks. . , . , peace talks. that is an interesting, actuall , peace talks. that is an interesting, actually, because _ peace talks. that is an interesting, actually, because when _ peace talks. that is an interesting, actually, because when president i actually, because when president zelensky was in bucha yesterday she
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was asked by a representative of the bbc who was there what this would do to ongoing peace talks and in fact he said the peace talks would continue. he said militarily but also diplomatically those ties would continue in talks would continue. they happening online at the moment via video links or a smaller scale. really i think people will be waiting for the next set of face—to—face talks with president lenski was very clear yesterday that this potential war crimes do not rule out a potential talking solution to this.— rule out a potential talking solution to this. just talk about life where _ solution to this. just talk about life where you _ solution to this. just talk about life where you live _ solution to this. just talk about life where you live in _ solution to this. just talk about life where you live in lviv, - solution to this. just talk about l life where you live in lviv, clearly not as effective as the south —— is affected as the south and areas where you ivankiv so what is life like there?— where you ivankiv so what is life like there? , . , ., ., ., ~' like there? general life, you look out at the — like there? general life, you look out at the moment _ like there? general life, you look out at the moment in _ like there? general life, you look out at the moment in the - like there? general life, you look out at the moment in the city. i like there? general life, you look| out at the moment in the city. we have under a curfew here and you can be out on the streets between ten at night and seven in the morning.
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regularly you will get the sounds of silence that they out through the streets of the city but the other notable thing is the people who are arriving here now. i was at the station in lviv this morning talking to people from kharkiv, ukraine's second city and it is right on the front line of this fighting and now the people who are arriving in the west are people who have been chaps on the front line four weeks. i spoke to the people with her 11 and 13—year—old children since the first day of this war they had been sheltering in the basement of a school in kharkiv and that school had been shelled by russian forces. i spoke to another mother of a two—year—old girl who said she had seen children killed when a bomb exploded near her house and she decided she couldn't take it any more and she had to leave and get to safety so these people and the stories of arriving here in the vivre all the time.— stories of arriving here in the vivre all the time. anna, thank you so much for— vivre all the time. anna, thank you so much for bringing _ vivre all the time. anna, thank you so much for bringing us _ vivre all the time. anna, thank you so much for bringing us their - so much for bringing us their stories. as always, there is plenty more coverage online and if you are
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online get me on social media. this is outside source on bbc news. most of you tuesday will be a mild day. northern scotland winter returned and you had some fairly heavy snow for time in ireland and aberdeenshire on the cold side of this weather system. what is going to happen over night is that milder air is actually going to move its way in and what that means is even over the tops of the scottish mountain snow will turn back to them before claiming northwards out of the way with weather fronts heading across orkney working its way towards shetland. the rest of the uk overnight we have got a mixture of clear skies and passing showers but it is not a cold night, temperature 7-9 it is not a cold night, temperature 7—9 for most areas. wednesday, an unsettled day on the cards and generally speaking a day of sunshine
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and showers all day there will be this band of rain that moves across england and wales see the day. that could be fairly heavy and about 20 or 30... could be fairly heavy and about 20 or30... shows could be fairly heavy and about 20 or 30... shows most frequent across the uk. temperatures not quite as mild as it had been on tuesday. wednesday nights is called everton particularly because northern scotland in a band of rain last seen a trust set and backed it gets engaged and picked up by that colder we see the vain turned to hill snow. we could see five or ten centimetres of snow across high ground in scotland. there is a bit of rain to start the day for the navy is that is that day of sunshine and showers. some shows could be wintry, sleet and hail mixed in, cold winds extending southwards and foremost as temperatures in single figures, cult of the time of year and we're still hanging onto some 11 or 12 is the southern parts of england and wales. we end the week with an area of low
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pressure hopefullyjust about pressure hopefully just about staying pressure hopefullyjust about staying away from our shores and working across france where it will also be pretty windy. away from that system, though, for most of the uk looking a fine day. sunshine and against them showers. so a start of the day across northern areas but as temperatures rise during the day showers break out more widely across inland areas and again some of them could be quite heavy with hale on sunday mixed in, may be wintry across northern areas where temperatures will will not be that high. we can saturday the better of the two days, start for stable dry and sunny, sunday ploughed fields in and sunny, sunday ploughed fields in and we will see some rain arriving in the north west.
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hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones this is outside source. president of ukraine has demanded russia be expelled from the un security council for war crimes. president zelensky talks about the murder, torture and rain of civilians and the town of bucha and war atrocities may be discovered. bucha and war atrocities may be discovered-— bucha and war atrocities may be discovered. ., . , , ., , discovered. the world has yet to see what they have _ discovered. the world has yet to see what they have done _ discovered. the world has yet to see what they have done and _ discovered. the world has yet to see what they have done and other- what they have done and other occupied cities and regions of oui’ our country. further evidence of destruction _ our country. further evidence of destruction to _ our country. further evidence of destruction to the _ our country. further evidence of destruction to the south - our country. further evidence of destruction to the south of - our country. further evidence of - destruction to the south of mariupol as civilians try to escape the fighting. it doesn't exist any more. _ escape the fighting. it doesn't exist any more. it _ escape the fighting. it doesn't exist any more. it has - escape the fighting. it doesn't exist any more. it has been i exist any more. it has been destroyed by shelling or air
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strikes. i don't have anywhere to go and i still don't know whether my wife is alive or not. people in extreme _ wife is alive or not. people in extreme poverty _ wife is alive or not. people in extreme poverty in _ wife is alive or not. people in extreme poverty in the - wife is alive or not. people in extreme poverty in the uk i wife is alive or not. people in i extreme poverty in the uk could increase by two thirds of people in northern ireland how they're making ends meet. welcome back to the programme. the european union has proposed a new round of sanctions against russia, in response to the allegations of russian warcrimes in ukraine. the commission president, ursula von der leyen, said the plan was to ban all imports of russian coal, wood, cement — as well as seafood and vodka. and it will impose full transaction ban on four russian banks. the eu also says it plans to stop the sale of advanced technology to russia, like semiconductors, and ban russian ships and road operators. the uk has been imposing its own sanctions on russia. and today on a visit to poland, its foreign secretary said the uk would do more.
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this week, we will announce $350 billion of putin possibles were just over 60% of the regime $604 billion foreign currency reserves unavailable. an uncoordinated sanctions are pushing the russian economy back to the soviet era. but we can and we must do more. as we told our mutualfriend, the ukrainian foreign minister yesterday. on thursday, i will be urging our nato in g7 partners to go further and sanctions. byjoining us in banning russian ships from our ports, cracking down on more russian banks, going after industries that are filling putin's were chest like gold and agreed to clear timetable to eliminate imports of russian oil, coal and gas.
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and it's that last one — gas — that's key here. you'll notice russian gas isn't included in the eu's sanctions. the reason for that, is russia accounts for about 40% of the eu's natural gas imports. earlier this month brussels laid out a strategy to reduce reliance on russia — but there's now pressure to do still more. over the weekend, lithuania announced it had stopped imports of russian gas. the president tweeted "if we can do it, the rest of europe can do it too!" tyler is assistant professor of politics and international relations at the university of nottingham in central engalnd. he is an expert in economic sanctions policy. thank you for coming on the programme. thank you for coming on the programme-— thank you for coming on the rouramme. . ~ t, ., ., programme. thank you for having me. what ou programme. thank you for having me. what you make _ programme. thank you for having me. what you make of _ programme. thank you for having me. what you make of this _ programme. thank you for having me. what you make of this latest - what you make of this latest announcement of more sanctions? it’s announcement of more sanctions? it's too announcement of more sanctions? it�*s too little, too late. we think about sanctions on call, sanctions on wood, frankly, this represents a small amount of russian trade, for 5 billion dollars for each of them
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were as the eu continues to import substantial amounts of russian oil and natural gas. in the last year of statistics imported $100 billion worth. that is what is funding putin's war and that is what needs to stop. putin's war and that is what needs to sto -. �* �* , putin's war and that is what needs tosto.�* v m putin's war and that is what needs tosto.�* �*, '. ., putin's war and that is what needs tosto. �*, '. to stop. but it's difficult to stop that because — to stop. but it's difficult to stop that because so _ to stop. but it's difficult to stop that because so many - to stop. but it's difficult to stop that because so many countries to stop. but it's difficult to stop i that because so many countries in the eu depend so much on it and the cost of living which is going up in so many countries will go up even further if those imports are suddenly stopped. find further if those imports are suddenly stopped.- further if those imports are suddenly stopped. further if those imports are suddenl stoned. �* , . suddenly stopped. and i will be an economic impact _ suddenly stopped. and i will be an economic impact and _ suddenly stopped. and i will be an economic impact and we _ suddenly stopped. and i will be an economic impact and we have i suddenly stopped. and i will be an | economic impact and we have seen estimates that it would cause a slight per session. of the same time, but it was vladimir putin is doing in ukraine, ithink time, but it was vladimir putin is doing in ukraine, i think it's a press we should be willing to pay to stop women from being raped and children from being murdered. hour children from being murdered. how resonsible children from being murdered. how responsible is _ children from being murdered. how responsible is germany being heavily reliant on russia and countries with spring on the sidelines that they could go for if germany would go further too.
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could go for if germany would go furthertoo. is could go for if germany would go further too. is there any basis in that? , . , , further too. is there any basis in that? , . i, ,, further too. is there any basis in that? , , ., that? germany is russia's number one customer. germany _ that? germany is russia's number one customer. germany has _ that? germany is russia's number one customer. germany has to _ that? germany is russia's number one customer. germany has to lead - that? germany is russia's number one customer. germany has to lead here. | customer. germany has to lead here. germany has to stop importing so much natural gas from vladimir putin's murderous regime. these are cominu in putin's murderous regime. these are coming in gradually _ putin's murderous regime. these are coming in gradually and _ putin's murderous regime. these are coming in gradually and gradually i coming in gradually and gradually and it may be a fairly simplistic view by think it's a legitimate question, we are doing the step—by—step, why does in europe, america just two things of the same time, all potential sanctions and introduce them all at the same time? i happen to agree on that. you should go big you go early. there is no reason to wait around for months while people are being murdered to say, will impose sanctions next month of the month after. you should do a full court press immediately. i think there is some things in reserves and they have something to announce to the media. what exports, give me a break. we have to see what
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vladimir putin is actually getting money from which is oil and natural gas. money from which is oil and natural as. , ., gas. putting this in a wider context, sanctions - gas. putting this in a wider context, sanctions are i gas. putting this in a wider| context, sanctions are used gas. putting this in a wider i context, sanctions are used in different countries, different times, how significant are the set of sanctions we look at them historically was yellow i think they're quite severe, but not enough. they're quite severe, but not enou:h. ~ ., , they're quite severe, but not enou:h. ~ . , . . . enough. we have seen some financial s stems enough. we have seen some financial systems but — enough. we have seen some financial systems but not _ enough. we have seen some financial systems but not all— enough. we have seen some financial systems but not all of— enough. we have seen some financial systems but not all of them. - enough. we have seen some financial systems but not all of them. and i systems but not all of them. and that allows russia to get around things. and we have seen preventing them from popping up in russian currency. but again, the largest item of trade is the soil and natural gas and so, is everything but. ., ~ natural gas and so, is everything but. . ~ , ., natural gas and so, is everything but. . ~ . we're going to talk more about the alleged
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atrocities in ukraine now. we've heard russia accused of war crimes, and crimes against humanity. and yesterday — when visiting bucha, where the bodies of dead civilians were found — president zelensky said this. translation: genocide. what you had seen here today, what you can see, what happened. we know thousands of people that were tortured and killed with cut—off hands and legs, extremities, and what they did to the women. the un genocide convention defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group." such acts include killing members of the group causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring
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about its physical destruction in whole or in part. imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group i'm joined now by sir geoffrey nice, prominent human rights lawyer. i went through a technical definition into you briefly tell us what is the definition of the word genocide that we understand? genocide convention definition is crime as he became having started life as a sociological concept with intent to destroy a group or part of a group as such. and by the receipt understand is that that mental state on the part of the perpetrator is the individual doing the killing of putin at the top, it is quite difficult to prove, rather a strange state of mind, but i do want to kill people simply because they are. and
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proving to doesn't the crime necessarily more serious, worse, more wicked and proving by the same fact, is more wicked and proving by the same fact, , , . ., _ more wicked and proving by the same fact, , ., _ , fact, is there temptation by people that he could _ fact, is there temptation by people that he could be _ fact, is there temptation by people that he could be guilty _ fact, is there temptation by people that he could be guilty of _ fact, is there temptation by people that he could be guilty of fixating l that he could be guilty of fixating too much on this word, genocide, when the crimes committed could stand on their own with the horror and do not need any additional definition was yellow i'm sure you're absolutely right about that. but, in order to be in mind, politicians and lawyers from there, created the genocide convention when the crime genocide was enacted and other areas such as the international court stature. while we have given you this word, this wonderful man created it all himself and in and the sensational achievement, you are using it and we do not want you to use it? no.
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people are insightful to say it that you give it to us now it's a crime. and president zelensky is entirely correct in raising the matter. does it appear to you that there is potential evidence to back up these allegations by president zelensky? i'm sure there is you just sit in your previous question, there's no need to overfocus on it. what is really important to bear in mind in a really fast moving situation is the international court ofjustice which is the worlds highest court, is dealing with a genocide allegation concerning both ukraine and russia. ukraine took the matter and russia. ukraine took the matter and a couple of weeks ago, or three weeks ago, and the court is made a decision on the basics not of ukraine's allegations against
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russia, but russia's allegations against the ukraine and it is said in paragraph 59, that the court is not in possession of evidence, substantiating the allegations of the russian federation, the genocide has been committed on ukrainian territory. it goes on to say it very little prospect of russia justifying its invasion on the basis of its allegations of genocide by ukrainians but it is open the issue of whether or not genocide is been committed in ukraine is entirely correct to go and raise this issue. of correct to go and raise this issue. of the other issues are before the international criminal court, the crime of aggression should be before the international criminal court and they should be tried under equally serious measures. taste they should be tried under equally serious measures.— serious measures. we have been talkin: serious measures. we have been talking about _ serious measures. we have been talking about war _ serious measures. we have been talking about war crimes - serious measures. we have been talking about war crimes and i serious measures. we have been talking about war crimes and a i talking about war crimes and a useful definition for that as well.
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it bridges the geneva convention, i cannot list them all to you but of this, you can be quite sure of. once they started attacking civilians and civilian properties, they were crossing the threshold and war crimes had undoubtedly been committed. we know the people of ukraine absolutely no service by spending time on the lawyers arguments of those things have to be proved to a high level of proof. of course they do in a trial, but there is been no doubt from the beginning that this unlawful attack included war crimes and so, i would respectfully tell president zelensky to keep focus on improving war crimes and crimes against humanity which is straightforward, easy to prove and beyond doubt and press ahead with his case.— ahead with his case. thank you for providing clarity- _ ahead with his case. thank you for providing clarity. thank _
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ahead with his case. thank you for providing clarity. thank you. i let's look at what's happening in russia now. as we know, russia denies it's responsible for civilian deaths in ukraine. i want to show you this clip of our russia editor steve rosenberg, putting a question about this to russia's foreign minister, sergei lavrov. mr lavrov, the us president has called your president a war criminal and said he must be held accountable. what does that tell us about russia's international reputation right now? translation: what this says is many american politicians | who started the iraq war, destroyed syria, invaded libya, their conscience is in a bad way. our main interest is what the russian people think about this situation. so, are russians seeing the pictures we are seeing from bucha. here's steve again. well, russian tv has been showing graphic video from bucha of bodies
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scattered along a road, but because the kremlin controls television here completely, it controls the messaging, and it's been using these images to paint a very different picture to the russian public. so, for example, i watched the main political talk show today on russian state television. they broadcast the bucha pictures, but with the word "fake" in big red letters plastered all over the screen to make viewers believe that claims of russian war crimes are simply invented. in the same way that the kremlin uses television to try to persuade russians that is what is happening in ukraine isn't a war, it's a special operation and that russia is not the aggressor, it's acting in self defence. now, do russians have access to alternative views, alternative sources of information? less and less, really, because virtually all independent russian news sources now have been either blocked or shut down. the kremlin dominates
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the information space here, clive. but do russians believe it? well recent polls suggest they do. since the war, vladimir putin's approval rating is at 83%, up from 69%. and this is from russia's most respected independent pollster — the levada cente. and polls show a majority support this war. the new york times says "many russians now accept the kremlin's assertion that their country is under siege from the west." let's hear now from a former uk ambassador to russia — he was asked if these polls should be believed. absolutely not at all. russians are very reluctant to give honest answers to opinion polls, least of all if they say something critical about a war where they could be prosecuted even for using the word war. opinion pollsters in russia find that when they mount a poll only between 7 and 10% of the people they approach are even prepared to answer, and many of these polls are manipulated by the russian government.
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but some russians have been open about not supporting the war. this man was a senior manager at one of russia's largest banks — and has resigned, after the bank supported the war. he told steve rosenberg why. translation: russia has created a huge area of chaos _ and lawlessness in ukraine. of course, the russian government is responsible for what's happening there. before the war, i was proud of being russian. there was lots to be proud of. the war has cancelled all of that out. here in the uk — it's a month until elections in northern ireland. the new crisis there — and across much of the uk — is the rising cost—of—living. a think—tank has said the number of people in extreme poverty could increase by two thirds? that's more than any other part of the uk. our ireland correspondent chris page reports from north belfast. party politics here is very different to england, scotland and wales. but the issues affecting communities
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are often very similar. hello. how are you? people are turning to charities for the first time as they face financial emergencies. and you are managing with your electricity and your heating? just struggling with a gas and the electric, that's the main thing. well, we have some more for you today to keep you going. thank you. not at all. it's a pleasure, kelly. that will keep us going for a wee while, by the, won't it? it is actually hard being stuck in this and you don't want to ask the help that you actually do need to. carrie is caring for two sons, studying for a psychology degree and wrestling dreadful choices. i have had to determine whether it is energy or food i am picking which is why i've had to seek help because you can't
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just pick one or the other. you need to heat your home. lam making, like, tremendous decisions as to how to get by for me and my family. the voluntary organisation working with carrie has seen a fivefold increase in requests for help. sometimes the people who have been our donors are not asking for help but that is very difficult for people. i would like to see government focusing on people's needs and coming up to the election now, i think they need to and people will want them to. they will be asking questions. in northern ireland, the areas which are most economically deprived tend to be the places which also suffered the worst violence during the conflict. signs of sectarian division are still very visible, such as these barriers between communities known as peace walls. although politics has delivered a largely successful peace process, many people say there hasn't been anywhere near enough progress towards dealing with poverty. there is no energy price cap in this part of the uk. regulation is different because the marketers.
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more oil, less gas. ministers have given an extra £200 to people on certain benefits, with families at the sharp end of rocketing bills say the devolved government must be fully restored. we need to allocate that money and get back in power in order to help northern ireland citizens survive. issues of identity can make this feel like a political place apart, but in this election, money matters are gaining ground. chris page, bbc news, belfast. now to golf, and the news that five—time champion tiger woods says his plan is to play in the masters. "as of right now, i am going to play" he said. tiger woods suffered life—threatening injuries 14 months ago after crashing his car while speeding. let's go live to marc edwards at the bbc sport centre.
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how surprising is this? with everything _ how surprising is this? with everything you _ how surprising is this? with everything you have - how surprising is this? try everything you have described, it is a surprise and it really is the story that has the whole golfing world talking about it. he has been given a tee off time and he announced a news conference that as of this moment, he would play. she will play nine holes on wednesday before confirming that decision, but sheer excitement exuding from augusta, it is so tantalising and you've heard from brighton, he talked about the volume when he came out, people scrambling for a glimpse of the maestro, just practising his swing. a great mcelroy, we heard from them today and he is echoing that and more remarkable considering what happened that car crash months
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ago, he almost lost his right leg and he said numerous back and leg injuries over his career each and every day. in summary operations into the finally sorted his issues and they did try to overtake the masters by taking a six there. but in just masters by taking a six there. but injust 19, masters by taking a six there. but injust19, what masters by taking a six there. but injust 19, what a masters by taking a six there. but in just 19, what a victory that was what an incredible return it would be for one of golf spigot superstars. be for one of golf spigot superstars-— be for one of golf spigot su erstars. ., . , superstars. tiger, how much is he been practising — superstars. tiger, how much is he been practising and _ superstars. tiger, how much is he been practising and playing, i superstars. tiger, how much is he been practising and playing, does| superstars. tiger, how much is he i been practising and playing, does he have any chance of winning? he certainl have any chance of winning? lie: certainly thinks he can, to bet against him, he has been talking about a five times already, an exhibition tournament and in december, he did use a buggy to get on the course in february, he did say that the terrain would come too
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soon, he did play 27 holes and followed around by everyone in noise all over the place and nine more on monday and the a couple of good friends, just an tautness in the 1992 marxist champion couples. but the tiger perspective he will not play if he's doesn't think he'll win. and that is the perspective of the golf superstar tiger woods. we're going to end this edition of outside source with another story from ukraine. since russia's invasion, we've seen how ukrainians have mobilised. the bbc s abdujalil abdu—rasulov visited a volunteer centre in kyiv, helping local citizens. this is a centre where volunteers collect food and medicine and
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staying in kyiv and unable to walk and therefore in desperate need of support. and volunteers here you can see some the bags where you have some basic food items and gather medicine and other items, including baby formulas. christina is on the phone with an 82—year—old woman who says she has no food left at home. with a soft voice, she assures her that she is not forgotten. christina says this hub when russia invaded ukraine in february. she started delivering food to a few elderly women. now she looks after more than
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a thousand people and the list is growing. and so are those willing to help. irate growing. and so are those willing to hel. ~ , ., growing. and so are those willing to hel _ . , ., ., growing. and so are those willing to hel. ~ , ., ., , help. we try to do will be ten. sendin: help. we try to do will be ten. sending some _ help. we try to do will be ten. sending some products, i help. we try to do will be ten. sending some products, -- i help. we try to do will be ten. | sending some products, -- we help. we try to do will be ten. i sending some products, -- we try to sending some products, —— we try to do what _ sending some products, —— we try to do what we _ sending some products, —— we try to do what we can. and it's like this. it do what we can. and it's like this. it hurts— do what we can. and it's like this. it hurts to — do what we can. and it's like this. it hurts to see so much suffering that people are facing now. every day, christina and her team—mates drive but the list of names to deliver food supplies and medicine. and people keep calling her asking for help. sometimes she gets calls from areas now taken by russian forces. and it is painfulfor her
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but she cannot go there to help. but she is full ofjoy but she cannot go there to help. but she is full of joy when but she cannot go there to help. but she is full ofjoy when she can. christina and her colleagues brought supplies to an 85—year—old woman who lives alone in kyiv. and an unexpected gift of flowers brought a smile to the woman's face. precious moments in the time of war. and there's plenty more details on the event in ukraine on a website, including the very latest from the besieged city of mariupol. thousands of people still have attempts to create humanitarian corridors since last thursday have failed. and people are making it out on their own but official attempts to get people out so far are not working. i
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am louisjuanjohns and this is outside source and bbc news. for most of you, too stable of been a mild day pretty cloudy with sunny spells to be found in very different weather from spells to be found in very different weatherfrom northern spells to be found in very different weather from northern scotland where went to return. heavy snow for a time in the highland and aberdeenshire on the side of the weather system. overnight, that milder air is going to move its way and in what that means even at the top of scottish mountains, it will turn to rain before clearing and weather across orkney working its way toward shetland and the rest of the uk, we have a mixture of passing showers and out—of—court and ipo temperatures around 70 degrees for most areas. an unsettled day and it's generally speaking, a day of
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sunshine and showers although there will be a band of rain through the day and i'll be fairly heavy and around 20 or 30 minutes in the sunshine will be back and most frequent across the north of the uk, temperatures will be around 11 or 12 degrees, not as mild as it has been on tuesday, wednesday night, colder air returns particularly across northern scotland in the band rain last seen across shetland and as it becomes engaged by the cold air, we see the rain turned to hill snow and we could see something around five for maybe ten cm of snow in scotland. and a bit of rain across southern areas otherwise this day of sunshine and will be with sleet and hail mixed in and called herfor most of us, temperatures just in single figures for the time of year and were still hanging onto 11 or 12 for southern parts of england and wales. he ended the week with an area of low pressure distinguished
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from our shores and it will also be pretty windy. away from that system, we look at a fine day and some showers will start off the day across northern areas temperatures rise during the day and breaking out across and in areas and some of them will be quite heavier with hail or thunder mixed in winter because areas were temptress will not be that high. and saturday, the better of the two and struts are frosty and send a cloud builds and with some rain arriving in the northwest.
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hello, i'm lewis vaughanjones and this is outside source. the president of ukraine has demanded that russia be expelled from the un security council for war crimes. volodymyr zelensky tells the un about the murder, torture and rape of civilians in the town of boocha and warns more atrocities may be discovered. translation: the world has yet to see what they have done i in other occupied cities and regions of our country. there's further evidence of destruction to the south, in mariupol, as civilians try to escape the fighting. translation: it doesn't exist any more. - it's been destroyed by shelling or an air strike. i don't have anywhere to go, and i still don't know
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whether my wife is alive or not.

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