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one of the d—day heroes — harry billinge — who's died at the age of 96. football, manchester city and liverpool have both been playing tonight in their first leg ties of the champions�* league quarter—finals. our correspondent andy swiss tells us what happened. this year, perhaps? for all their recent success, manchester city have never won the champions league, and atletico madrid were out to frustrate them again. for the first half, their defence smothered city's attack, leaving pep with a puzzle. could his team crack the code? well, with time running out, phil foden found kevin de bruyne and at last... leaves it for de bruyne! from stalemate to celebration, how city were made to work for it, but that was enough for a 1—0 win and a crucial lead heading into the second leg. liverpool, meanwhile,
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were in lisbon to face benfica, and they get off to a thumping start. kanate! ibrahima kanate made the most of some charitable defending to power the visitors ahead, and it soon got even better for them as liverpool's class was once again clear. sadio mane tapping them into 2—0 lead at the break. but after it, benfica hit back. kanate�*s mistake, and darwin nunez gave the hosts new hope. but it was the visitors that had the last word, as luis diaz kept his cool to round off a 3—1 win for liverpool. a place in the semifinals very much in their sights. andy swiss, bbc news. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night.
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hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are martin bentham, who's the home affairs editor at the evening standard, and the broadcaster penny smith. you are both so welcome. 0k, let us begin. probably no surprise here. i want to begin with the guardian. lotterer zele ns ky lotterer zelensky saying russian leaders must face a war crimes trial. it was such a dramatic day today. —— volodymyr zelensky. penny, what struck you? any time president zelensky speaks, i am sure they are so many people who must salute him. there he is,
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continuing to speak out, despite the fact he has been hunted by russians. i know we heard earlier on from clive myrie, who said that things are easing up a little bit in kyiv, but who knows whether the russians are actually regrouping at the moment? and you see what he says, and i think the point is that we can all recognise what he is saying. he is saying we are under attack from all sides and what help are we actually being given? is all well and good saying, this is a terrible thing and we are doing most but they don't feel they're getting enough help. —— doing more sanctions. it is hard to not agree with him. the headline on the guardian, saying russian leaders must face were crimes trial. i was just looking back at what happened after the bosnian war, and the bosnian military leader ratko mladic, who is
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believed to have masterminded the mass murder at trevor —— trevor ——... he was found guilty in 2017. the point i'm trying to make is the wheels turned slowly. yes. the point i'm trying to make is the wheels turned slowly.— wheels turned slowly. yes. i think this is so true. _ wheels turned slowly. yes. i think this is so true. and _ wheels turned slowly. yes. i think this is so true. and they _ wheels turned slowly. yes. i think this is so true. and they are - this is so true. and they are talking but documenting allegations of war crimes and what that might actually be on the ground, but anything, to bring anybody to justice — we could be talking about ten to 12 years from now. martin, let struck you about today? and i should tell our viewers, in case they did not see it, there was an incredibly distressing graphic video that was played to the un also today by mr zelensky, to try and, i suppose, urge them, initiate them into further action. i
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suppose, urge them, initiate them into further action.— into further action. i suppose this is it, isn't — into further action. i suppose this is it, isn't it? _ into further action. i suppose this is it, isn't it? this _ into further action. i suppose this is it, isn't it? this address - into further action. i suppose this is it, isn't it? this address todayl is it, isn't it? this address today follows— is it, isn't it? this address today follows the _ is it, isn't it? this address today follows the footage we've seen from bucha _ follows the footage we've seen from bucha and _ follows the footage we've seen from bucha and evidence elsewhere, the footage _ bucha and evidence elsewhere, the footage of— bucha and evidence elsewhere, the footage of the car turning around and the _ footage of the car turning around and the person getting out with his hands _ and the person getting out with his hands above his head and getting shot dead and so on, reporting tonight— shot dead and so on, reporting tonight hy— shot dead and so on, reporting tonight by your correspondent jeremy boweh_ tonight by your correspondent jeremy bowen from another town near kyiv with further atrocities seemingly happening there, with the blatant shelling _ happening there, with the blatant shelling of pertinent blocks, which of course — shelling of pertinent blocks, which of course we have seen quite a lot of course we have seen quite a lot of over— of course we have seen quite a lot of over the course of this war, really— of over the course of this war, really seems to be an instrument in shelling of— really seems to be an instrument in shelling of civilian buildings in a recklessly dangerous way about obviously seeking to endanger life there _ obviously seeking to endanger life there in— obviously seeking to endanger life there in claim lives, so this is just— there in claim lives, so this is just the — there in claim lives, so this is just the latest, most horrendous illustration of its committee bucha case: _ illustration of its committee bucha case, and — illustration of its committee bucha case, and some of the others that have _ case, and some of the others that have iteen— case, and some of the others that have been documented about, the raping _ have been documented about, the raping of— have been documented about, the raping of women and children, and all sorts—
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raping of women and children, and all sorts of— raping of women and children, and all sorts of terrible things. and volodymyr zelensky today spelling that out _ volodymyr zelensky today spelling that out. it has brought it evermore to people's — that out. it has brought it evermore to people's attention, but frankly i think— to people's attention, but frankly i think we _ to people's attention, but frankly i think we knew this was happening anyway, _ think we knew this was happening anyway, unfortunately, any question he posed _ anyway, unfortunately, any question he posed is, — anyway, unfortunately, any question he posed is, what is going to happen about— he posed is, what is going to happen about it? _ he posed is, what is going to happen about it? what can be done? as penny 'ust about it? what can be done? as penny just said. _ about it? what can be done? as penny just said, bringing someone to justice. — just said, bringing someone to justice, whether it's putin or the people _ justice, whether it's putin or the people directly responsible for these — people directly responsible for these crimes, it will take a very longtime _ these crimes, it will take a very long time. in the meantime, what is needed _ long time. in the meantime, what is needed is _ long time. in the meantime, what is needed is something to stop it happening, and if the un security council. _ happening, and if the un security council, russia has a veto, cannot even _ council, russia has a veto, cannot even condemn it, never mind do anything — even condemn it, never mind do anything more substantial than that, he is right— anything more substantial than that, he is right to raise the question about what is the point of it all? of about what is the point of it all? of course, — about what is the point of it all? of course, they bring up those of course, they bring up those issues of war crimes. it is something that also continues in the daily telegraph but which i want to turn to — the next output and or
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dissolve yourself. —— stop putin 0r dissolve yourself. they... really, and let me turn to you, penny, russia is a permanent member of the un security council, they have the potential to veto any resolution, which they will do in their own self interest, so something like looking to the un, i'm naturally if it is the right way for mr zelensky to turn. what do you think? == i the right way for mr zelensky to turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure. it turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure- it is — turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure- it is a — turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure. it is a sign _ turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure. it is a sign of _ turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure. it is a sign of his _ turn. what do you think? -- i am not sure. it is a sign of his growing - sure. it is a sign of his growing frustration with help from the west. we have seen how appalling this is, we can see absolutely what is going on. i am sure, like many people, there are moments when you do turn away from what is going on, because you just think, how can this be going on right here right now the
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wind also we know that these... the russians know that these things are being reported in the west and yet they sit in the un, they sit there and they say, no, we went in there to wipe out the nazis, this is not happening, denying these things are going on. as i said, there is a growing frustration, but at the moment, it is what it is, and you just go, russia is and has been one of the five permanent remember the security council. —— members of. it obviously blocked a resolution calling for the immediate end of the invasion of ukraine, and if we are not going to get involved, that we have to carry on with the sanctions of and saying brussels is working on a ban on russian oil, but these things also hurt the west. indeed. i
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am 'ust things also hurt the west. indeed. i am just wondering, _ things also hurt the west. indeed. i am just wondering, with _ things also hurt the west. indeed. i am just wondering, with that, - am just wondering, with that, martin, as we think about it, do you see any hope for peace talks continuing, off ramp, that language we are all grown accustomed to? even if it is not face—to—face, that something could be salvaged? it is hard to know. _ something could be salvaged? it is hard to know, isn't it? and the longer— hard to know, isn't it? and the longer it— hard to know, isn't it? and the longer it goes on, the worse the treatment— longer it goes on, the worse the treatment given out by the russians in this— treatment given out by the russians in this context goes on, the harder it is going — in this context goes on, the harder it is going to— in this context goes on, the harder it is going to be for the ukrainians to accept— it is going to be for the ukrainians to accept any compromise, i suppose, and the _ to accept any compromise, i suppose, and the longer they are going to want _ and the longer they are going to want to fight on. and we have seen is the _ want to fight on. and we have seen is the russians having to pull back from _ is the russians having to pull back from kyiv— is the russians having to pull back from kyiv and focus their efforts on the east. _ from kyiv and focus their efforts on the east, which is where the separatist struggle has been going on anyway since 2014, so he sent the uiuainians— on anyway since 2014, so he sent the ukrainians are having some success in staving _ ukrainians are having some success in staving off this russian invasion, which many people perhaps, and certainly— invasion, which many people perhaps, and certainly the russians themselves, probably thought would all be over very, very quickly. and it certainly— all be over very, very quickly. and it certainly is _
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all be over very, very quickly. and it certainly is not that, which is irring _ it certainly is not that, which is irring this— it certainly is not that, which is bring this horrible bloodshed and so on, bring this horrible bloodshed and so on. but _ bring this horrible bloodshed and so on. but it— bring this horrible bloodshed and so on. but it is— bring this horrible bloodshed and so on, but it is hard to see what it is the ukrainians are going to concede. they have _ the ukrainians are going to concede. they have talked about conceding the principle _ they have talked about conceding the principle of neutrality and accepting they may not be a chance for the _ accepting they may not be a chance for the embers of nato, but in terms of the _ for the embers of nato, but in terms of the territory, very hard to see how the — of the territory, very hard to see how the ukrainians would give territorial concessions to the russians, _ territorial concessions to the russians, not least after what has happened — russians, not least after what has ha ened. �* russians, not least after what has ha ened. . ., , russians, not least after what has ha ened. �* ., , ., russians, not least after what has hauened. �* ., , ., , russians, not least after what has hauened. ., , , happened. and remains to be seen what we will _ happened. and remains to be seen what we will uncover _ happened. and remains to be seen what we will uncover the _ happened. and remains to be seen what we will uncover the coming i what we will uncover the coming weeks. me stay with the telegraph for a moment. this is back to the uk. this is something that is on everybody�*s lips in the uk, when it comes to rising prices, energy prices, tying in with russia in many ways, penny. prices, tying in with russia in many ways. penny-— ways, penny. yes, this was about lans to ways, penny. yes, this was about plans to reduce — ways, penny. yes, this was about plans to reduce energy _ ways, penny. yes, this was about plans to reduce energy costs - ways, penny. yes, this was about plans to reduce energy costs by i plans to reduce energy costs by making stuff more efficient. this is upgrades for the poorest households. hardly surprising. i don't know
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whether you thought the same thing, but i just thought, whether you thought the same thing, but ijust thought, we are struggling with a huge amount of borrowing, we have ballooning payments and every thing else, and this is not what the tories, i would suggest, would have wanted. they like cutting taxes for people. that is what they like doing, isn't it? martin? ~ ., ,, is what they like doing, isn't it? martin? ~ ., ., , , martin? what you are seeing in this articular martin? what you are seeing in this particular story _ martin? what you are seeing in this particular story is _ martin? what you are seeing in this particular story is the _ martin? what you are seeing in this particular story is the play - martin? what you are seeing in this particular story is the play between | particular story is the play between the politics of it, which is that some — the politics of it, which is that some people in the tory back benches particularly _ some people in the tory back benches particularly would like to see more action from — particularly would like to see more action from the government to address— action from the government to address the cost—of—living crisis, because — address the cost—of—living crisis, because politically it is harmful to them, _ because politically it is harmful to them, and — because politically it is harmful to them, and the chancellor who has got these _ them, and the chancellor who has got these big _ them, and the chancellor who has got these big costs he has got to find money— these big costs he has got to find money for— these big costs he has got to find money for the fund but after the pandemic— money for the fund but after the pandemic in particular, not to spill money —— not willing to spend — to spill money —— not willing to spend money. it is extending money to the _ spend money. it is extending money to the poorest households... a good
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thing _ to the poorest households... a good thing we _ to the poorest households... a good thing. we will be having the energy strategy— thing. we will be having the energy strategy coming up tomorrow. 0f strategy coming up tomorrow. of course _ strategy coming up tomorrow. of course the — strategy coming up tomorrow. of course the best way to save money is for people _ course the best way to save money is for people to use less in the first place. _ for people to use less in the first place. and — for people to use less in the first place, and one way to do that is to insulate _ place, and one way to do that is to insulate your home. there is a logic to extending it, but i suppose the chancellor's point of view, he is thinking, — chancellor's point of view, he is thinking, that is more government money— thinking, that is more government money going out the door if he agrees — money going out the door if he agrees this and he is not prepared to do— agrees this and he is not prepared to do that — agrees this and he is not prepared to do that. . . agrees this and he is not prepared to do that. , . ., ., to do that. expect a debate over that one. interesting. _ to do that. expect a debate over that one. interesting. 0k, - to do that. expect a debate over that one. interesting. 0k, mayl to do that. expect a debate over that one. interesting. 0k, mayi move onto the independent? ukraine in so many of the headlines, as is the cost of living, but covid, we are still talk about that too. definitely we are hearing and seeing of lots of people with covid. this is all about the study, finding the variance in community transmission, that appears to be scrapped. how do
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you feel about that martin? the government is getting to the osition martin? the government is getting to the position where _ martin? the government is getting to the position where they _ martin? the government is getting to the position where they say _ martin? the government is getting to the position where they say we - martin? the government is getting to the position where they say we have i the position where they say we have to live _ the position where they say we have to live with — the position where they say we have to live with covid. if you are not going _ to live with covid. if you are not going to — to live with covid. if you are not going to have any restrictions about which _ going to have any restrictions about which we _ going to have any restrictions about which we don't have at the moment, other— which we don't have at the moment, other than— which we don't have at the moment, other than the request to people who have got— other than the request to people who have got it _ other than the request to people who have got it to isolate themselves, then i_ have got it to isolate themselves, then i suppose measuring what is coming _ then i suppose measuring what is coming would be useful, but again, it is money, — coming would be useful, but again, it is money, isn't it? they are saying. — it is money, isn't it? they are saying. if— it is money, isn't it? they are saying, if the consequence of knowing _ saying, if the consequence of knowing is that we are going to carry— knowing is that we are going to carry on— knowing is that we are going to carry on as _ knowing is that we are going to carry on as we are anyway, maybe it does make — carry on as we are anyway, maybe it does make sense to scrap it. of course, — does make sense to scrap it. of course, in — does make sense to scrap it. of course, in an ideal world, you would know what _ course, in an ideal world, you would know what is— course, in an ideal world, you would know what is coming and reacts to it and respond, but if you are going to do nothing — and respond, but if you are going to do nothing anyway, maybe it is pointless — do nothing anyway, maybe it is pointless to have.— do nothing anyway, maybe it isj pointless to have.- with pointless to have. penny? with martin, i cannot _ pointless to have. penny? with martin, i cannot think- pointless to have. penny? with martin, i cannot think of- pointless to have. penny? with l martin, i cannot think of anything else to say, other than the fact that i do not think i have known a
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time when i actually know so many people... i time when i actually know so many --eole... ~ ., time when i actually know so many peeple- - -- with _ time when i actually know so many people. . .- with covid, - time when i actually know so many people. . .- with covid, and l people... i know! with covid, and also peeple _ people... i know! with covid, and also people saying _ people... i know! with covid, and also people saying remind - people... i know! with covid, and also people saying remind me, i people... i know! with covid, and i also people saying remind me, what am i supposed to do? if i test myself and i am, where do i have to stay? we are different ever else. do i have to say off work or do i go to work and wear a mask? nobody seems to know. a work and wear a mask? nobody seems to know. u , work and wear a mask? nobody seems to know. a , ., ., to know. martin, using we are now in the livin: to know. martin, using we are now in the living with _ to know. martin, using we are now in the living with covid _ to know. martin, using we are now in the living with covid era? _ to know. martin, using we are now in the living with covid era? -- - the living with covid era? —— you think we are? the living with covid era? -- you think we are?— think we are? that is what the government... _ think we are? that is what the government. .. for— think we are? that is what the government... for you - think we are? that is what the - government... for you personally, is that what you — government... for you personally, is that what you feel? _ government... for you personally, is that what you feel? definitely, - government... for you personally, is that what you feel? definitely, i'm i that what you feel? definitely, i'm afraid. that what you feel? definitely, i'm afraid- they _ that what you feel? definitely, i'm afraid. they want _ that what you feel? definitely, i'm afraid. they want to _ that what you feel? definitely, i'm afraid. they want to get _ that what you feel? definitely, i'm afraid. they want to get beyond i that what you feel? definitely, i'm l afraid. they want to get beyond the whole _ afraid. they want to get beyond the whole thing, but as penny said, i know— whole thing, but as penny said, i know quite — whole thing, but as penny said, i know quite a few who have got it and there _ know quite a few who have got it and there is— know quite a few who have got it and there is a high prevalence at the moment— there is a high prevalence at the moment for the better the other hand, _ moment for the better the other hand, everything is open, everyone is behaving —
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hand, everything is open, everyone is behaving what like used to be normal, — is behaving what like used to be normal, and that is how it feels. as normal, and that is how it feels. opposed the normal, and that is how it feels. is opposed the question is, pandemics, they never grow with a bang, they go out with a whimper, but if there were another variant, that is the question which would public health be at risk? and that was the imperial college that was doing the tracking, penny? imperial college that was doing the tracking. penny?— tracking, penny? didn't realise... laughter _ laughter yeah, yeah. the thing is, as martin said, they are trying to save money, and if we are not going to be doing anything, does not seem... these things do cost money. that is the point, isn't it? and i'm sure that we will find out... we will probably have another variant, won't we? this is what they said was going to happen, we will get these weaker variance. i don't know. i have
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