appealing for financial aid. the i has an exclusive, saying russia's president vladimir putin is sending thousands of ukrainians to remote corners of russia, according to kremlin documents seen by the paper. the yorkshire post leads on the news that wakefield's tory mp, imran ahmad khan, has been convicted of sexual assault. the daily mail writes that emergency plans are being drawn up in bid to avert easter airport chaos. meanwhile, the daily telegraph says gps are being told to work late to avoid a&e chaos. and finally, the guardian's front page has a story about keir starmer, who has said sunak is an "out of touch" hypocrite over tax avoidance. let's begin. lovely to see you both. we are going to start with the front

page of the telegraph. this is for you to kick us off with, please. the preventive scheme has been criticised. preventive scheme has been criticised-— preventive scheme has been criticised. , . ., criticised. yes, indeed. we had the verdict on the _ criticised. yes, indeed. we had the verdict on the death _ criticised. yes, indeed. we had the verdict on the death of— criticised. yes, indeed. we had the verdict on the death of the - verdict on the death of the wonderful mp last october who was killed by a man who had been singled out by the police and had been part of the preventive programme in 2014 and he boasted at the trial about how he managed to fool will what seemed to be rather naive experience of leaders of the prevent programme just nodding his head and just saying or not saying anything anything controversial. the security around mps is a really serious issue. we have had too many attacks and indeed, it seems like in the

last few years, six of the 11 attacks had been people who were who are said to prevent these kinds of things from happening. so clearly something isn't working and mps are being left unprotected, indeed, the public generally needs better protection needs to know that have strategies to control people who have already been brought to the attention of the police as potentially dangerous to public safety. has the prevent programme ever had any success? time safety. has the prevent programme ever had any success?— safety. has the prevent programme ever had any success? time and time aaain it ever had any success? time and time again it seems _ ever had any success? time and time again it seems to _ ever had any success? time and time again it seems to have _ ever had any success? time and time again it seems to have been - again it seems to have been criticised. again it seems to have been criticised-— again it seems to have been criticised. . ., ., ., criticised. time and time again, and i recret criticised. time and time again, and i re . ret to criticised. time and time again, and i regret to say _ criticised. time and time again, and i regret to say that _ criticised. time and time again, and i regret to say that i _ criticised. time and time again, and i regret to say that i fear _ criticised. time and time again, and i regret to say that i fear this - i regret to say that i fear this will go on _ i regret to say that i fear this will go on. even since the awful incidents— will go on. even since the awful incidents that led to the sir david

arrives— incidents that led to the sir david amos's death happened, mr speicher, as i understand it has introduced new measures that have had widespread support amongst mps, but you know_ widespread support amongst mps, but you know the reality of all this... -- david — you know the reality of all this... —— david amess. i was listening eariier— —— david amess. i was listening earlier today but the husband of the other— earlier today but the husband of the other mp _ earlier today but the husband of the other mp who died within the past five years. — other mp who died within the past five years, jo cox, and he spoke incredibly— five years, jo cox, and he spoke incredibly movingly about how of course _ incredibly movingly about how of course there should be more security, _ course there should be more security, but at the end of the day, you do— security, but at the end of the day, you do not— security, but at the end of the day, you do not want our mps to be behind barricades _ you do not want our mps to be behind barricades. the truth is, as we always— barricades. the truth is, as we always say, _ barricades. the truth is, as we always say, there is no such thing as total— always say, there is no such thing as total security. getting that balance — as total security. getting that balance better is what we have to be about, _ balance better is what we have to be about, but _ balance better is what we have to be about, but is the actual prevents programme working? clearly not. i 'ust programme working? clearly not. just want to

programme working? clearly not. i just want to come back to you for this. you wear a minister. how safe did you feel?— did you feel? well, i didn't have a constituency _ did you feel? well, i didn't have a constituency surgery, _ did you feel? well, i didn't have a constituency surgery, and - did you feel? well, i didn't have a constituency surgery, and i - did you feel? well, i didn't have a constituency surgery, and i thinkl constituency surgery, and i think thatis constituency surgery, and i think that is very different. but clearly there were times when one was being exposed to the streets during times when there was significant elements of unrest amongst the public whether something was happening where there was something going on. there aren't individual protection squads for our mps and for ministers, and if your department is somewhere way from the houses of parliament may you know, often we were running through the streets or walking through the streets or walking through the streets without any protection. clearly there is a risk. a member of

parliament who is regularly facing their own constituents in a constituency surgery well away from parliament. sometimes, you know, and more remote areas of the country, and there isn't really the kind of protection that one might expect or in some cases may have prevented these awful tragedies of mps being held for doing theirjob. {lilia these awful tragedies of mps being held for doing theirjob.— held for doing their 'ob. 0k, thank ou for held for doing their 'ob. 0k, thank you format. h held for doing their 'ob. 0k, thank you for that. we — held for doing theirjob. 0k, thank you for that. we will— held for doing theirjob. 0k, thank you for that. we will stay - held for doing theirjob. 0k, thank you for that. we will stay with - held for doing theirjob. 0k, thank you for that. we will stay with the | you for that. we will stay with the daily telegraph. david, we are talking about gps who according to the paper had been told to work late in order to a —— of void a&e cast. gps are being told to work longer hours _ gps are being told to work longer hours than — gps are being told to work longer hours than usual at easter to ease, and some _ hours than usual at easter to ease, and some way, the awful pressure that continues to persist with a&e

departments. of crisis is understandable. normally in most gps, _ understandable. normally in most gps, the _ understandable. normally in most gps, the surgeries, they clock off thursday— gps, the surgeries, they clock off thursday night, and they come back that they— thursday night, and they come back that they open the surgeries again on tuesday. anyone feeling ill over the easter— on tuesday. anyone feeling ill over the easter period goes to, tends to id the easter period goes to, tends to go to— the easter period goes to, tends to go to a85 — the easter period goes to, tends to go to a&e. that puts yet more pressure. — go to a&e. that puts yet more pressure. there is some good news around _ pressure. there is some good news around they— pressure. there is some good news around they have dived in the past few weeks. — around they have dived in the past few weeks, just over a week. by as much _ few weeks, just over a week. by as much as— few weeks, just over a week. by as much as 30%, so that would be particularly good news that hopefully this summer and warmer months _ hopefully this summer and warmer months coming up. but we shall see. the only— months coming up. but we shall see. the only thing i would say is, my own gpa, — the only thing i would say is, my own gpa, i— the only thing i would say is, my own gpa, i mean i am grieving over the fact— own gpa, i mean i am grieving over

the fact that — own gpa, i mean i am grieving over the fact that he has decided to retire — the fact that he has decided to retire very recently. when i said to him why— retire very recently. when i said to him why are you doing this because mikey— him why are you doing this because mikey said — him why are you doing this because mikey said to me, frankly, i cannot face working the extra hours that are now — face working the extra hours that are now going to be demanded of me. ifear— are now going to be demanded of me. i fear he _ are now going to be demanded of me. i fear he is _ are now going to be demanded of me. i fear he is not alone in that by any stretch— i fear he is not alone in that by any stretch of the imagination. david, — any stretch of the imagination. david, when you say extra hours, did he explain how many extra he was being explained to work?- being explained to work? clearly suraeries being explained to work? clearly surgeries are _ being explained to work? clearly surgeries are now... _ being explained to work? clearly surgeries are now... it _ being explained to work? clearly surgeries are now... it may - being explained to work? clearly surgeries are now... it may have seemed — surgeries are now... it may have seemed always rather extraordinary that nobody, that surgeries would not open — that nobody, that surgeries would not open on saturdays and indeed even _ not open on saturdays and indeed even sunday, on weekends generally, because _ even sunday, on weekends generally, because people do inconveniently get ill on weekends and quite seriously ill on weekends and quite seriously ill sometimes. but clearly on the one hand. — ill sometimes. but clearly on the one hand, use support surgeries being _ one hand, use support surgeries being open for longer hours, but on

the other— being open for longer hours, but on the other hand, you have got to have died gps _ the other hand, you have got to have died gps there who are trained to cope with — died gps there who are trained to cope with all of this. i regret to say there — cope with all of this. i regret to say there doesn't seem to be any great _ say there doesn't seem to be any great master plan for how that is going _ great master plan for how that is going to — great master plan for how that is going to work. great master plan for how that is going to work-— great master plan for how that is going to work. yes, i think with the aftereffects — going to work. yes, i think with the aftereffects covid _ going to work. yes, i think with the aftereffects covid and _ going to work. yes, i think with the aftereffects covid and clearly - going to work. yes, i think with the aftereffects covid and clearly to - aftereffects covid and clearly to some extent in some places, there was no gp service and a lot of the overflow into ame constantly. but now that we are hopefully coming out of its, we still do have this issue of its, we still do have this issue of a backlog, a massive backlog of people who are having to live with serious ongoing issues that ideally you need an hs intervention, whether its operations or other types of procedures. and haven't had them, so they will therefore need to access their gp more than they otherwise would have done. you've also got the

problem that many hospital staff are themselves really overloaded. as david said, it is a bit strange, isn't it? that you have a primary health service with gps, which isn't operating around the clock. it's not operating around the clock. it's not operating seven days a week. there's not even remote service very often from your local gp. there are low comes, but even now, there are multihour weights. comes, but even now, there are multihourweights. so comes, but even now, there are multihour weights. so the pressure goes back to a&e. the costs spiral, people are not getting the care they need. i think it is right to ask gps to long hours open later, take account of the fact that there are people who work during the day and have serious concerns that stop. ladle

have serious concerns that stop. we are going to turn to the mail. i wonder what gps are thinking about. we lost you, you are frozen. never mind. we will start out getting you back up again. i'm going to come to you until ross rejoins us. we are talking cass, cass. we havejust spoken about a&e cass, now we are talking about airports cass on the front of the daily mail. any chance you are being hit by this at all? —— choas. you are being hit by this at all? -- choas. �* , ., , you are being hit by this at all? -- choas. . , .,, , ., ., ., choas. are people planning to travel this easter? — choas. are people planning to travel this easter? the _ choas. are people planning to travel this easter? the word _ choas. are people planning to travel this easter? the word was _ choas. are people planning to travel this easter? the word was silly, - this easter? the word was silly, but maybe, _ this easter? the word was silly, but maybe, but— this easter? the word was silly, but maybe, but some of them have been planning _ maybe, but some of them have been planning to— maybe, but some of them have been planning to have a well—deserved easter— planning to have a well—deserved easter break for ages. so the answer is of course — easter break for ages. so the answer is of course they should be able to travel, _ is of course they should be able to travel, bikes, you know, iwas one of those _ travel, bikes, you know, iwas one of those who— travel, bikes, you know, iwas one of those who supported, i know some have a _ of those who supported, i know some have a particular interest in the travel— have a particular interest in the travel industry, and i have

supported the travel industry when they have — supported the travel industry when they have said, you know, they weren't— they have said, you know, they weren't given enough support in the early days— weren't given enough support in the early days of the lockdown and all the rest _ early days of the lockdown and all the rest of — early days of the lockdown and all the rest of its, but the lack of preparation for the surge in travelling that has come in recent weeks _ travelling that has come in recent weeks seems to have been quite extraordinary. the story on the daily— extraordinary. the story on the daily mail— extraordinary. the story on the daily mail talks about even today ba scrapping _ daily mail talks about even today ba scrapping another 64 services, easy 'et scrapping another 64 services, easy jet another— scrapping another 64 services, easy jet another 25. that's before you -et jet another 25. that's before you get to _ jet another 25. that's before you get to our— jet another 25. that's before you get to our old friends the border service, — get to our old friends the border service, immigration service, and they— service, immigration service, and they are — service, immigration service, and they are having to bring in backroom staff from _ they are having to bring in backroom staff from all over the country. they— staff from all over the country. they are — staff from all over the country. they are being offered bonuses to man the _ they are being offered bonuses to man the desks at heathrow so happy easter— man the desks at heathrow so happy easter to _ man the desks at heathrow so happy easter to them. we man the desks at heathrow so happy easter to them.— easter to them. we are still with ou, we easter to them. we are still with you. we haven't _ easter to them. we are still with you, we haven't got _ easter to them. we are still with you, we haven't got ross - easter to them. we are still with you, we haven't got ross back, | easter to them. we are still with i you, we haven't got ross back, so we're going to this conversation going. as we turn to our final chaotic story. this is the ft. it's

cass at the ports, particularly for the holidays. a concerning message chair. . , ,., , chair. absolutely. in the reputational _ chair. absolutely. in the reputational damage - chair. absolutely. in the reputational damage to | chair. absolutely. in the i reputational damage to our chair. absolutely. in the _ reputational damage to our country of those _ reputational damage to our country of those ghastly pictures on dm 20 and the _ of those ghastly pictures on dm 20 and the cues that seem to go on forever, — and the cues that seem to go on forever, it's— and the cues that seem to go on forever, it's not as though this has happened — forever, it's not as though this has happened all rather suddenly, everyone has been warning about this _ everyone has been warning about this you — everyone has been warning about this. you know, the remainders say of course _ this. you know, the remainders say of course this — this. you know, the remainders say of course this was bound to happen. but then— of course this was bound to happen. but then the those who voted to come out of _ but then the those who voted to come out of the _ but then the those who voted to come out of the eu is say, well, it's not 'ust out of the eu is say, well, it's not just about — out of the eu is say, well, it's not just about that it's about other matters — just about that it's about other matters and clothing and all the rest of— matters and clothing and all the rest of it — matters and clothing and all the rest of it. there is no real problem in the _ rest of it. there is no real problem in the ports— rest of it. there is no real problem in the ports and all the extra paperwork that seems to be involved,

and it's— paperwork that seems to be involved, and it's the _ paperwork that seems to be involved, and it's the reputational damage and we are _ and it's the reputational damage and we are told _ and it's the reputational damage and we are told in the story there are many— we are told in the story there are many tracking firms that are saying do we _ many tracking firms that are saying do we really want to go through this? why— do we really want to go through this? why are we coming to the uk? welcome _ this? why are we coming to the uk? welcome back. just to let you know, it is technology, hey? we are on the front page of the headline is that the holly years are warning of traffic cass on the channel port route will do damage to the economy. —— traffic choas. we had a good summary from david. but essentially, it is eu truckers who are refusing to come to the uk. just how damaging is this? ~ , ., , ., ., is this? well, it is really damaging because we _ is this? well, it is really damaging because we had _ is this? well, it is really damaging because we had so _ is this? well, it is really damaging because we had so much - is this? well, it is really damaging because we had so much trade - is this? well, it is really damaging - because we had so much trade between the uk and europe, they are the closest trading partners and if we

cannot get deliveries from in europe into the uk, then lots of the supply chains that we rely on to manufacture goods here, which he used parts and imports that we get through your app that come to a standstill. we cannot manufacture everything we need here in the uk. for decades, we been part of europe. there are huge delays and backlogs and we have a problem with our border communications. we have a new it system which apparently hasn't been working as well as one might have hoped by now. so there really is a serious issue which the ft is rightly flagging up and which i would hope that governments would end up dealing with and taking seriously because this is a major lifeline for the economy and for different areas of the country. i willjustjump in quickly before we move on from this story. what do you

make of this idea that they are pushing and it seems to be backed by the bodies of park facilities being developed. 32 and half million pounds rep to be spent on a essentially a holding site. that's not going to entice these truckers to come across any more. they don't want to be held, they want to flow, they want to drive.— want to be held, they want to flow, they want to drive. that's what used to ha en. they want to drive. that's what used to happen- lots _ they want to drive. that's what used to happen. lots of _ they want to drive. that's what used to happen. lots of people _ they want to drive. that's what used to happen. lots of people warned i to happen. lots of people warned that this would be a consequence of leaving the single market and of trying to establish a border between us and europe when it didn't exist before. it used to be smooth. everybodyjust before. it used to be smooth. everybody just went and came and went as if there was no border at all. and now, you know, ithink that the supply chains have already had a problem with covid, and it is so