this is bbc news i'm ben brown live at downing street. the headlines. the prime minister and the chancellor will both be fined by the police — for attending parties during lockdown. the pm's wife, carriejohnson, will also be given a fixed penalty notice. the prime minister has been challenged on the issue a number of times — in december he insisted no rules were broken at downing street. all the guidelines were observed and continued to be observed and i can also tell you that we are getting on with the job as we have been throughout. the labour leader says both borisjohnson and rishi sunak have broken the law — and calls on them both to resign

familes of people who died with covid having been reacting with anger to today's news. he is completely untrustworthy and devoid of any integrity whatsoever. he is not fit to lead this country. with the rest of the days news. multiple people have been shot at a subway station in new york. pictures have emerged of passengers covered in blood lying on the station floor. western countries call for an urgent investigation, after ukraine acusses russia of a chemical attack in mariupol.

borisjohnson and the chancellor, rishi sunak, are to be issued with fines over breaching lockdown regulations in downing street. breaching lockdown regulations detectives are looking into 12 events in government buildings that may have broken the rules; they've recommended 50 fines since their investigation began. it comes after the sue gray inquiry and the met police spent weeks investigating alleged covid lockdown breaching parties in downing street and across whitehall. earlier, the met police said that 30 furtherfines had been issued bringing the total number to over 50. the news has sparked calls from opposition figures across the political spectrum for the prime minister and chancellor to resign. the covid—i9 bereaved families forjustice group have said there is "simply no way" the prime minister and chancellor can continue in their posts the prime minister has addressed the issues of parties

in downing street in the commons on a number of occasions. lets listen to what borisjohnson said at the start of december last year when asked about reports that parties had been taking place in downing street. as millions of people were locked down last year, was a christmas party thrown in downing street for dozens of people on december the 18th? what i can tell the right honourable gentleman is that all guidance was followed, completely. just under a week later, the prime minister was pushed on whether any christmas parties took place in downing street, here are those questions and his response that no rules were broken. there are more details in today's times the newspapers say that there

were invites issued, there was a secret santa, christmas jumpers, your position that that was not a party? your position that that was not a .a ? ~ ., . ., , ., your position that that was not a party? what i can tell you is that all the guidelines _ party? what i can tell you is that all the guidelines were _ party? what i can tell you is that | all the guidelines were observed, continued — all the guidelines were observed, continued to be observed and i can also tell_ continued to be observed and i can also tell you that we are getting on with the _ also tell you that we are getting on with the job as we have been throughout dealing with the priorities of the people. particularly fighting crime. was it a -a particularly fighting crime. was it a party where _ particularly fighting crime. was it a party where the _ particularly fighting crime. was it a party where the guidelines - particularly fighting crime. was it a party where the guidelines are l a party where the guidelines are followed or was it not a party? the uuidelines followed or was it not a party? the guidelines are followed at all times — guidelines are followed at all times. ~ , ., , the times. were you satisfied? the guidelines _ times. were you satisfied? the guidelines are _ times. were you satisfied? the guidelines are followed - times. were you satisfied? the guidelines are followed at - times. were you satisfied? the guidelines are followed at all . guidelines are followed at all times — the guidelines were followed at all times. our political correspondent sean dilley is at westminster. the police beg to differ. where does this leave borisjohnson politically

now with 7 ? this leaves them in a very sticky lace. ? this leaves them in a very sticky place- one — ? this leaves them in a very sticky place. one local— ? this leaves them in a very sticky place. one local politician - ? this leaves them in a very sticky place. one local politician says - place. one local politician says that they are not a happy bunch of the moment and if only there were a big international event happening. and that is a direct reference to the situation in ukraine. the magic number of conservative mps who would have to call within the conservative party for a leadership election will be 5a and that number was rattling up be 5a and that number was rattling up close to that when party gate first emerged in december as the war in ukraine had happened in volodymyr zelensky speaking to parliament and some of the letters were withdrawn saying it's not the time, including douglas ross, very prominent within the conservative party saying that now was not the right time comes we can anticipate that palpable

uncertainty within the conservative party potentially now mounting towards that situation in ukraine for borisjohnson and rishi sunak, the man pecked to replace them back in december with his own issues with his wife's tax affairs and coming out at some point and defending actions that so many find unthinkable. if actions that so many find unthinkable.— actions that so many find unthinkable. if there's any consolation _ unthinkable. if there's any consolation in _ unthinkable. if there's any consolation in this - unthinkable. if there's any consolation in this for - unthinkable. if there's any | consolation in this for boris johnson, rishi sunak who was potentially a rival to him is also in the same boat, pacing the fixed penalty notice? he in the same boat, pacing the fixed penalty notice?— in the same boat, pacing the fixed enal notice? ., , ., penalty notice? he was asked whether he attended such _ penalty notice? he was asked whether he attended such events _ penalty notice? he was asked whether he attended such events and - penalty notice? he was asked whether he attended such events and he - penalty notice? he was asked whether he attended such events and he did i he attended such events and he did not and you can imagine the darting test whether or not it's a party or gathering, it will be quite a bit of a focus on whether or not they were breaking the law. the metropolitan

police informed them among 30 that they are to receive a fixed penalty notice in the metropolitan police make a referral to the criminal records office to administer any penalties and these people boris johnson and carriejohnson, they'll be offered a fixed penalty notice and what cannot entirely notice that this is a path that the prime minister wish to go down but they could contest and they still happened done anything wrong and they would like to have a court hearing. not widely anticipated and just be said that already, the labour party and the broad democrats amongst those calling for him to resign but most damaging of all, brief families of covid—i9 saying that they're being taken for mugs. thank you very much indeed. he has

written a biography for every conservative mps since margaret thatcher. and the prime minister, i think is the first sitting prime minister to have been found to have broken the law. that puts him in the history books immediately, doesn't it for the wrong reasons? i history books immediately, doesn't it for the wrong reasons?— it for the wrong reasons? i believe so, es it for the wrong reasons? i believe so. yes what _ it for the wrong reasons? i believe so. yes what you _ it for the wrong reasons? i believe so, yes what you think— it for the wrong reasons? i believe so, yes what you think this - it for the wrong reasons? i believe so, yes what you think this leaves | so, yes what you think this leaves them politically. _ so, yes what you think this leaves them politically. he _ so, yes what you think this leaves them politically. he may - so, yes what you think this leaves them politically. he may not - so, yes what you think this leaves them politically. he may not now| them politically. he may not now face a vote of no—confidence because a lot of his critics in the tory party and on the tory backbenchers who were saying that they wanted a vote of no—confidence and i now was not the time because the war in ukraine would destabilise the british government in exactly the wrong time. i british government in exactly the wrong time-— british government in exactly the wrong time. i cannot comment on whether or — wrong time. i cannot comment on whether or not _ wrong time. i cannot comment on whether or not he _ wrong time. i cannot comment on whether or not he should - wrong time. i cannot comment on whether or not he should go - wrong time. i cannot comment on whether or not he should go but l wrong time. i cannot comment on l whether or not he should go but the prime in the past do not go when

they're being pushed out after a scandal and mishaps. george did not resign after scandals but he lost the support of his mps and antennae after the great sewers crisis in 1956 did not resign over that but because of ill health.— because of ill health. they're very reasons why _ because of ill health. they're very reasons why the _ because of ill health. they're very reasons why the prime _ because of ill health. they're very reasons why the prime ministers. reasons why the prime ministers after scandals when they're being pushed out by the opposition. it pushed out by the opposition. it creates every bad smell, a very bad feeling grounded. in the court here is not public opinion, it is the conservative mp that does not have to go and he is very brazen leader and difficult challenges before most prime ministers are. in the court

here is going to be his own conservative mps and they are going to take a calculation and is it right to get rid of him over this or do they stay by him during the ukrainian warand take do they stay by him during the ukrainian war and take a judgment close to the general election? and close to the general election? and the loner close to the general election? and the longer term, _ close to the general election? and the longer term, public opinion is the longer term, public opinion is the court because you see a general election and you don't know when that will be but in the near term, we have local elections and clearly, this is damaging for the prime minister and the chancellor and the government. minister and the chancellor and the government-— government. indeed it is and if the results of the _ government. indeed it is and if the results of the local _ government. indeed it is and if the results of the local elections - government. indeed it is and if the results of the local elections in - results of the local elections in may are as bad as some have predicted, and this will stack up the pressure on the conservative mps and they'll make judgements. do they want this man? we know the

conservative party are absolutely ruthless about ditching their leaders if they feel their electoral liability. so, yes, public opinion refracted through mps, they will ditch borisjohnson the moment they think there is an alternative, probably not rishi sunak now, but another person who will stand a better chance of leading them into a general election victory. that is what all mps care about a particularly conservative mps if history is any guide to the future? the prime minister they are saying that he should resign and he has misled the country but do you think he actually will? i misled the country but do you think he actually will?— he actually will? i think boris johnson will _ he actually will? i think boris johnson will be _ he actually will? i think boris johnson will be making - he actually will? i think boris johnson will be making a - he actually will? i think boris - johnson will be making a judgment

about whether he can tough this out and they'll be a lot of sounding is going on with conservative mps in the early indications are his parliamentary secretary has been tweeting about this and this immense pressure going on to rally behind their leader during the war in this prime minister is an immensely lucky prime minister is an immensely lucky prime minister is an immensely lucky prime minister is a better prime minister responding to crisis and he is making the weather and introducing the policy changes and new directions. he responded to the need to get brexit done, he responded to covid—19 and ukraine and it is quite likely the momentum will build and continue to build amongst mps that this is not the moment regardless of the morality, regardless of the rights and wrongs of this, but this is not the moment politically for them to ditch their leader and to be seen to be

admitting defeat and getting rid of the leader at this point regardless of the rights and wrongs of it. referred from those very critical of borisjohnson in the past because of the war in ukraine, they say it's not the end time to destabilise the british government.— not the end time to destabilise the british government. there's been a lot of discussion _ british government. there's been a lot of discussion about _ british government. there's been a lot of discussion about the - lot of discussion about the potential use of chemical weapons in ukraine and there has been discussion about recalling parliament to discuss that use and i understand there's a desire not to recall parliament, precisely because the prime minister and number ten do not want to be discussing party gate. if anything,

not want to be discussing party gate. ifanything, it not want to be discussing party gate. if anything, it is paralysing government. it is absolutely clear that if a prime minister and his chancellor and his wife find themselves and breach of criminal laws, having like a parliament, having broken ministerial code, but with british people having made so many sacrifices and feeling guilty for not seeing their loved ones and care homes and not being able to attend funerals, their children not having had parties, all of that means that in all good conscience, the prime minister should not step down and indeed in our history, we've had prime minister stepped down during crisis much bigger than the one that we face today. let down during crisis much bigger than the one that we face today.- the one that we face today. let me ut it to the one that we face today. let me put it to you _ the one that we face today. let me put it to you with — the one that we face today. let me put it to you with the _ put it to you with the prime ministers allies are saying on the back benches. borisjohnson has been pretty key in supporting president zelensky in ukraine, and getting

weapons to him and the person who would love most of all for boris johnson to step down to be ousted would be president vladimir putin in moscow. . , moscow. churchill replaced chamberlain _ moscow. churchill replaced chamberlain just _ moscow. churchill replaced chamberlain just days - moscow. churchill replaced i chamberlain just days before moscow. churchill replaced - chamberlain just days before the second world war. boy george replaced him weeks into psalm, even lost hisjob during replaced him weeks into psalm, even lost his job during the crisis and theresa may left during the brexit debacle in david cameron left once we lost the second referendum. in our constitution, the prime minister is first among equals and there always others in cabinet that can step into his post. as i say with all moral conscience, the first time all moral conscience, the first time a prime minister is found to have broken the law whilst the number ten with all the sacrifices that have been made by the british people during this time, the prime minister should step down and so should his chancellor. it is should step down and so should his

chancellor. , ., , ., ., chancellor. it is not been the good few da s chancellor. it is not been the good few days for _ chancellor. it is not been the good few days for rishi _ chancellor. it is not been the good few days for rishi sunak _ chancellor. it is not been the goodj few days for rishi sunak especially with the tax affairs of his wife and now this fine, or use a price of the prime minister and he have both been find? ~ ., , prime minister and he have both been find? ~ .,, ., find? when i last look at the fiuures, find? when i last look at the figures, 18,000 _ find? when i last look at the figures, 18,000 people - find? when i last look at the | figures, 18,000 people were find? when i last look at the - figures, 18,000 people were find during this pandemic period because of course. we passed in parliament very important restrictions because we did not want to spread the virus. i think the biggest gathering of clients is actually the one referred ijy clients is actually the one referred by the number ten we don't know whether or not more fixed penalty notices will follow. there are 12 parties being investigated and suggested that the prime minister may have attended six of those parties although three are under close scrutiny. this is a large number indeed and his suggestion is that he did not know and he started off by saying that no rules are broken but what we now know today

that rules were broken because those fixed penalty notices have been issued. we also know, of course today that he is in receipt of one and therefore, he lied to parliament when he suggested that he did not understand that he was at a party even though drinks are being consumed. all of us of the time did not attend parties at work, did not attend parties in our home, london was in severe restrictions and i remember very well because i was separated from my family for three weeks and the crew for taking the christmas period because we are in different places in the rules came down in front of those reasons, it is important that those who make the laws follow the laws. that is the kind of democracy that we want to live in and for those reasons, of course, the prime minister should recall parliament and should announce that he will be stepping down as leader of our country.

michael fabricant, the conservative mp for lichfield, who's defended borisjohnson in the past over the downing street parties, says the latest revelation hasn't changed his mind. but he believes the prime minister needs to make a statement to mps. the prime minister still has my support especially with this difficult time in the ukraine. when he went to the house because there are those who will say he would like to the house but when he went to the house and said, i don't think i was breaking any law, i don't think he did think he was breaking any law. i know there will be a lot of exasperated people watching this programme now and throwing up their hands in horror. but as i said just now, these are people that he had been working with all the day through with, some 16, sometimes 18 hour days and so, having a drink with them afterwards, he would've thought, well, that's not spreading

the disease. so, i think he has to come to the house on tuesday and make a statement to the house on tuesday. but where we go from here is interesting. we could have two possibilities, which are out of the prime minister's hands. one is that keir starmer decide to put down a motion of no confidence in the government and then be interesting to see how mps vote on that. or, another possibility is that some people who i suspect we just wait to do it to see if he was prosecuted will put their names in two graham brady, who was the chairman of the 1922 committee to have a vote of in the leader and this is actually within the conservative party itself. whether there will be enough names, i do not know. i certainly will not be putting my name and.

there would have to be 5a letters, 15% of the parliamentary conservative party and 360 mps. a pretty staunch defender of boris johnson. i spoke earlier to the snp's westminster leader iain blackford — who told me the prime minister should resign. it's quite remarkable. of course, it's historical because boris johnson is the first prime minister to be charged in office and then come really goes to the very foundations of our parliamentary democracy because one thing is absolutely clear. if you miss the parliament in you light a parliament, then you resign. there's no if st and no buts. in others minister has led to parliament and should be signing his resignation. millions of people up and down the islands that follow the rules laid

down by this government by this prime minister and borisjohnson and rishi sunak were ignoring their own rules, there was no dignity, there was a self—respect we now need to see the prime minister accept responsibility. i have written to him this afternoon. he is the only person he can recall parliament and asking that he recalls parliament on the first thing. that he gets in touch with the speaker now to make sure that parliament can be recalled and that he comes to the house that he offices resignation that is then followed by the chancellor making his own statement and amongst all of this, we must see the thorough publication of the report. this is a stain in our public life in this prime minister no longer has the moral authority to lead this country. he should go and he should go now. the country. he should go and he should to now. . , ~ country. he should go and he should to now. ., , ~ ., ., ~ ., go now. the was mr leader talking to me earlier on- _

go now. the was mr leader talking to me earlier on. -- _ go now. the was mr leader talking to me earlier on. -- westminster. - joining me now is our correspondent tim muffett who's at new scotland yard at the very beginning, when all of these allegations are being made, they said they did not want to investigate. it’s they said they did not want to investigate.— they said they did not want to investirate. �* , ., ., , investigate. it's a remarkable time for the metropolitan _ investigate. it's a remarkable time for the metropolitan police - investigate. it's a remarkable time for the metropolitan police force. l for the metropolitan police force. just two days after the former head of the force stood down initially, they did not want to get involved in this. great monster investigation and passed information to the mat and passed information to the mat and sue and 15 referrals for fixed penalty notices have been issued to the criminal office is maintaining every effort to process this investigation and continue to assess significant amounts of investigative materials potentially, this could have a long way to run and we do not know how

many more finds will be issued we do not yet know the sums involved. interesting that the last hour or so, we did have a confirmed that the fly which the prime minister will be receiving does relate to a birthday event on the 19th ofjune 2020. number two this afternoon confirmed that they have been told by the metropolitan police that the prime minister was being fined because he attended in two or more people between two and 3pm on the 19th of june. we also know that two other events that police are investigating that the prime minister was believed to have attended on the downing street garden and the 13th of november 2020. thus for the departure of the special adviser in february, the metropolitan police are going to review their initial decision not to investigate the christmas quiz on the publication of

a photograph and the daily mirror. many people are certainly of the view that the metropolitan police have been playing catch—up in the reaction to the news today as we have been hearing all afternoon has been huge. many people digesting what has been found to have happened in fury from many people and many other people saying that, this is a criminal sanction, other people saying that, this is a criminalsanction, not other people saying that, this is a criminal sanction, not a criminal record but for those who did receive significant fines during covid—19, there will be getting hit, i'm sure. the prime minister, like anyone else gets a fixed penalty, could theoretically appeal, but that would mean taking it to the courts. talking by this earlier, anyone who receives a fixed penalty at 28 days to appeal if they wish, the police can review it and maybe even remove the fine but if i it very unlikely

that the prime minister or his wife will do that. this is shown a spotlight on the actions of the prime minister, what he said during lockdown and what he said he did or did not do and the reality that we now face in which you will be receiving a fine and a lot of scrutiny certainly on his actions and the actions of other people and many are waiting to see how many more fines, if any will be submitted in the next weeks and the next few months. . ~ in the next weeks and the next few months. ., ,, , ., in the next weeks and the next few months. . ~' , ., , in the next weeks and the next few months. ., ,, , ., , . months. thank you very much. the investigation _ months. thank you very much. the investigation goes _ months. thank you very much. the investigation goes on. _ earlier, my colleague shaun ley spoke to jackie green, a member of the covid — 19 bereaved families forjustice group — her mum beryl died in december 2020 — on the same day as one of the downing street christmas parties. shaun asked her whether, given the number of fines issued — whether it's her sense that everyone was consciously breaking the rules, or whether they just didn't

understand their own regulations. if they did not understand their own regulations, they really had no business being in office. itjust sounds like a complete free—for—all, really in terms of the parties. when they would've first been, their stores are being broken, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, then another party and then another party and i reallyjust think they had complete disregard for people in this country who they're supposed to be leading. and really, just a really didn't care about the rest of us. you know, they decided they were working hard and so, deserved a get together bringing in cases full of booze.— in cases full of booze. certainly one event _ in cases full of booze. certainly one event and _

in cases full of booze. certainly one event and we _ in cases full of booze. certainly one event and we know - in cases full of booze. certainly one event and we know one - in cases full of booze. certainly i one event and we know one event where people were getting quite merry in the garden the night before the funeral. in the event that the prime minister wasn't there because he was a checkers the point he was making, notwithstanding that, from what you went through with your mother, i think it's important to draw the contrast between what you did not do because you wanted to keep her safe. i did not do because you wanted to keep her safe-— did not do because you wanted to keep her safe. i had not seen mum for ten months _ keep her safe. i had not seen mum for ten months because _ keep her safe. i had not seen mum for ten months because we - keep her safe. i had not seen mum for ten months because we are - keep her safe. i had not seen mum for ten months because we are in l for ten months because we are in lockdown for most of that time. then she went to hospital in december 2020 with severe anaemia. and cut covid—19 while she was in hospital and she died on the 18th of december. at which time, i had not seen herfor ten months ace december. at which time, i had not seen her for ten months ace to speak

her every day on the phone. she was a widow who lived alone and that was very hard for her. she was very, very hard for her. she was very, very lower. but the thing for me is that she died on her own and i was not there tojust that she died on her own and i was not there to just hold her hand. trio not there to 'ust hold her hand. no one not there tojust hold her hand. no one can ever compensate that chance. that's gone and i completely sympathise with what you're saying about that and they are lovely pictures. thank you for letting us share that. what you want to happen now, if anything. we know the police have concluded the prime minister did break the law and the chancellor did break the law and the chancellor did break the law, they have been find, is that it from your point of view? to draw any satisfaction at all from feeling, for all the complaint and protest, it has come to something?—

to something? know, because this should be the _ to something? know, because this should be the start _ to something? know, because this should be the start in _ to something? know, because this should be the start in these - to something? know, because this should be the start in these fines l should be the start in these fines are very important because they are actually saying that the prime minister has broken the law. and i would say to anybody who supports borisjohnson, is do we want to prime minister that has continually evaded questions, and lied both to the british public and to parliament about these parties? he is completely untrustworthy and devoid of any integrity whatsoever.

hello this is bbc news with ben brown. the headlines... on the day that we have had the news that the prime minister and the chancellor of the exchequer are both to be fined for breaking covid lockdown restrictions during the pandemic. at gatherings here in downing street and elsewhere in whitehall. the metropolitan police have been investigating in recent weeks. the prime minister's wife carriejohnson has also said and confirmed that she too will be receiving a fixed penalty notice. now theoretically they can appeal against those fines but it is thought to be very unlikely they will do so. politically, where does

this leave borisjohnson? well, there are some conservative mps who will be very angry about this and may try to ignite a vote of no confidence in him but they would need to be 5a letters from tory mps that go to the backbench committee chairman, calling for a vote of no confidence and it isn't thought very likely at the moment that that number will be reached. let's go to our political correspondent who has got the latest for us from westminster. just sum up where we are with these fines and what are the political implications for the prime minister and also indeed for his chancellor of the exchequer? well, let's kick off with the political implications for both because they are grim to say the very least. it is notable how few conservative politicians of any seniority other than maybe surprising ones such as douglas ross in scotland, are supporting the prime minister publicly. at the moment you can feel the tension, you could cut it with a knife here in westminster as people work out

whether they're going to back the prime minister. and if they do back the prime minister, speaking to one conservative source not that long ago, it would be in some people's it would be a short live thing because they know they know they have to get over the situation with ukraine. however, the prime minister knows that he has two in due course speak notjust that he has two in due course speak not just to conservative that he has two in due course speak notjust to conservative mps but to the public as a whole and presumably in the coming days we can expect to hear both from the prime minister and the chancellor, who had his own political woes this weekend over his wife's tax affairs. and he was the man of course he was tipped to succeed boris johnson man of course he was tipped to succeed borisjohnson should he have been deposed by partygate back in december. and then of course he wasn't. �* , , ., ., wasn't. and i suppose there are two ruestions wasn't. and i suppose there are two questions really, _ wasn't. and i suppose there are two questions really, the _ wasn't. and i suppose there are two questions really, the immediate - questions really, the immediate short term, whether there will be enough tory mps who decide that they want to try and overthrow the prime minister because of this, because of this fine. and then the longer term

political indications, to what extent is borisjohnson and the chancellor, to what extent are they weakened? because they are facing local elections quite soon and then in the longer term the general election. how damaging is all this in terms of public opinion? weill. in terms of public opinion? well, the are in terms of public opinion? well, they are two _ in terms of public opinion? well, they are two separate _ in terms of public opinion? well, they are two separate things - in terms of public opinion? in they are two separate things but they are two separate things but they might meet in the middle. it is unimaginable that borisjohnson is going to be able to get through this current crisis without borrowing very heavily from the bank of good will of conservative mps. it is very unimaginable too to think that any of the 5a mps who would have needed to make up the 5a who submitted letters to the backbench1922 committee and then publicly withdrew them, that too many of them would submit those again. you would almost have to imagine it would have to be a different 5a mps. now, that number is honestly hard enough to get to then there would need to be a leadership election, around about 130 more mps leadership election, around about 130 more mstoining them, questioning the prime minister's

leadership. now, it is something that the labour party and liberal democrats as well as the first minister in scotland and in wales as well have said that he should resign. the labour party and the liberal democrats are saying that he should recall parliament. it is in recess until the 19th so that they can be a vote of no—confidence. and i think that is a very important point, that is the short term implications, does the prime ministers survive the next couple of days? if he does, what of the results in upcoming elections? that is certainly cause disquiet among some conservative councillors who are up for election. and then what happens among the public who will of course ultimately influence who they vote for come the next general election. �* ., , ,.,, ., election. and the opposition arties, election. and the opposition parties, including _ election. and the opposition parties, including sir- election. and the opposition parties, including sir keir. election. and the opposition - parties, including sir keir starmer, the leader of the labour party are saying the prime minster and the chancellor have to resign, not only because they broke cobit rules but also, they say, because the prime

minister misled or even lied to the house of commons by repeatedly saying that the gatherings here in downing street woodwork events. —— the covid rules. downing street woodwork events. -- the covid rules.— the covid rules. yes, this is unsurprising. _ the covid rules. yes, this is unsurprising, you _ the covid rules. yes, this is unsurprising, you would - the covid rules. yes, this is - unsurprising, you would expect the opposition party to say that. you're quite right, they pick up on the point if somebody traditionally misleads the house of commons and persistently does so that resignation could be on the cards. that is why they're saying that, the labour party of even use the word lied to mps and indeed the wider public verification. so that is going to be another sticky situation for the prime minister to negotiate. but by far the most damaging is criticism from the families of the bereaved from covid—19, saying that they have been taken for mugs over they have been taken for mugs over the rule breaking. bud they have been taken for mugs over the rule breaking.— they have been taken for mugs over the rule breaking. and i suppose one last question — the rule breaking. and i suppose one last question is _ the rule breaking. and i suppose one last question is in _ the rule breaking. and i suppose one last question is in a _ the rule breaking. and i suppose one last question is in a sense _ the rule breaking. and i suppose one last question is in a sense the - last question is in a sense the timing of this could have been worse for borisjohnson because parliament

is in recess at the moment for the easter break and there is the war in ukraine and a lot of tory mps who have been critical of borisjohnson in the past are actually saying now is not the time to get rid of him because of that international crisis. , . v because of that international crisis. , . 3 ~ crisis. yes, that's right. we refer to douglas _ crisis. yes, that's right. we refer to douglas ross _ crisis. yes, that's right. we refer to douglas ross in _ crisis. yes, that's right. we refer to douglas ross in scotland - crisis. yes, that's right. we refer to douglas ross in scotland who| to douglas ross in scotland who notably call for the prime minister to resign and he is sticking by that ukraine line. the ukraine situation is definitely one that those who wish to support borisjohnson now are going to fall behind. and boris johnson will certainly hope that is the case. parliament not sitting that would not be so much of a barrier of course because if hypothetically were 5a letters submitted to the 1922 committee, that powerful group of mps who hold the leadership of the conservative party to account, then you can imagine even in that scenario it is going to be a difficult situation for the prime minister to recover from. ,, ., ., .,

from. shaun, good to have you with us. so from. shaun, good to have you with us- so what — from. shaun, good to have you with us. so what are _ from. shaun, good to have you with us. so what are voters _ from. shaun, good to have you with us. so what are voters making - from. shaun, good to have you with us. so what are voters making up i us. so what are voters making up today's dramatic news? we have been speaking to people in west yorkshire. to speaking to people in west yorkshire-— speaking to people in west yorkshire. ., , ., , yorkshire. to be honest with you, i think the general— yorkshire. to be honest with you, i think the general public _ yorkshire. to be honest with you, i think the general public need - yorkshire. to be honest with you, i think the general public need to . think the general public need to know— think the general public need to know what happened. and to shadow it after people were being fined by the general— after people were being fined by the general public in general. i think, yeah. _ general public in general. i think, yeah. it _ general public in general. i think, yeah, it can't be one rule for one and one — yeah, it can't be one rule for one and one rule _ yeah, it can't be one rule for one and one rule for another. did you stick to the _ and one rule for another. did you stick to the rules _ and one rule for another. did you stick to the rules during - and one rule for another. did you l stick to the rules during lockdown? yes, i have no choice. i have a medical— yes, i have no choice. i have a medical condition. for yes, i have no choice. i have a medical condition.— yes, i have no choice. i have a medical condition. for your prime minister and _ medical condition. for your prime minister and chancellor _ medical condition. for your prime minister and chancellor didn't, i medical condition. for your prime i minister and chancellor didn't, how does that make you feel? annoyed. u set as does that make you feel? annoyed. upset as well- _ does that make you feel? annoyed. upset as well. yeah, _ does that make you feel? annoyed. upset as well. yeah, quite - does that make you feel? annoyed. upset as well. yeah, quite upset. i does that make you feel? annoyed. l upset as well. yeah, quite upset. do ou think upset as well. yeah, quite upset. do you think they _ upset as well. yeah, quite upset. do you think they can — upset as well. yeah, quite upset. do you think they can stay _ upset as well. yeah, quite upset. do you think they can stay in _ upset as well. yeah, quite upset. do you think they can stay in their- you think they can stay in their jobs? you think they can stay in their “obs? �* ., ., . ,, ., jobs? again, i will go back to the comment i _ jobs? again, i will go back to the comment i made _ jobs? again, i will go back to the comment i made earlier, - jobs? again, i will go back to the comment i made earlier, it - jobs? again, i will go back to the comment i made earlier, it is - jobs? again, i will go back to the| comment i made earlier, it is one rule for— comment i made earlier, it is one rule for us — comment i made earlier, it is one rule for us and one rule for them. rings— rule for us and one rule for them. rings do—

rule for us and one rule for them. rings do need to change. | rule for us and one rule for them. rings do need to change.- rule for us and one rule for them. rings do need to change. i think it is very well— rings do need to change. i think it is very well deserved. _ rings do need to change. i think it is very well deserved. many - rings do need to change. i think it is very well deserved. many of us | is very well deserved. many of us made _ is very well deserved. many of us made huge — is very well deserved. many of us made huge sacrifices _ is very well deserved. many of us made huge sacrifices over- is very well deserved. many of us . made huge sacrifices over lockdown, me included — made huge sacrifices over lockdown, me included i— made huge sacrifices over lockdown, me included. i shielded _ made huge sacrifices over lockdown, me included. i shielded for— made huge sacrifices over lockdown, me included. i shielded for about - made huge sacrifices over lockdown, me included. i shielded for about 12' me included. i shielded for about 12 months. _ me included. i shielded for about 12 months. if— me included. i shielded for about 12 months. if not _ me included. i shielded for about 12 months, if not more, _ me included. i shielded for about 12 months, if not more, because - me included. i shielded for about 12 months, if not more, because i'm l months, if not more, because i'm immune _ months, if not more, because i'm immune suppressed. _ months, if not more, because i'm immune suppressed. and - months, if not more, because i'm immune suppressed. and lots- months, if not more, because i'm immune suppressed. and lots of. months, if not more, because i'm i immune suppressed. and lots of us stayed _ immune suppressed. and lots of us stayed away— immune suppressed. and lots of us stayed away from _ immune suppressed. and lots of us stayed away from friends _ immune suppressed. and lots of us stayed away from friends and - immune suppressed. and lots of us| stayed away from friends and family and suffered — stayed away from friends and family and suffered with _ stayed away from friends and family and suffered with isolation. - stayed away from friends and family and suffered with isolation. it- stayed away from friends and family and suffered with isolation. it was. and suffered with isolation. it was really. _ and suffered with isolation. it was really. really _ and suffered with isolation. it was really, really difficult _ and suffered with isolation. it was really, really difficult and - and suffered with isolation. it was really, really difficult and he - and suffered with isolation. it was really, really difficult and he wasl really, really difficult and he was 'ust really, really difficult and he was just like. — really, really difficult and he was just like. well, _ really, really difficult and he was just like, well, it's _ really, really difficult and he was just like, well, it's fine, - really, really difficult and he was just like, well, it's fine, we - really, really difficult and he was just like, well, it's fine, we will. just like, well, it's fine, we will 'ust just like, well, it's fine, we will just sit— just like, well, it's fine, we will just sit in— just like, well, it's fine, we will just sit in the _ just like, well, it's fine, we will just sit in the garden— just like, well, it's fine, we will just sit in the garden and - just like, well, it's fine, we will just sit in the garden and have i just like, well, it's fine, we willi just sit in the garden and have a bottle _ just sit in the garden and have a bottle of— just sit in the garden and have a bottle of wine. _ just sit in the garden and have a bottle of wine. it _ just sit in the garden and have a bottle of wine. it was _ just sit in the garden and have a bottle of wine. it was very- bottle of wine. it was very upsetting _ bottle of wine. it was very upsetting-_ bottle of wine. it was very u ”settin. ~ , upsetting. the prime minister in the chancellor have _ upsetting. the prime minister in the chancellor have been _ upsetting. the prime minister in the chancellor have been given - upsetting. the prime minister in the chancellor have been given fixed - chancellor have been given fixed penalty notices.— chancellor have been given fixed penalty notices. what do you think? i think they should _ penalty notices. what do you think? i think they should have, _ penalty notices. what do you think? i think they should have, yes. - penalty notices. what do you think? i think they should have, yes. quite| i think they should have, yes. quite right. they shouldn't have broken the rules anyway. they made them. everybody else was adhering to those rules and they didn't. so, you know, it says a lot about the prime minister and the chancellor, doesn't it? do minister and the chancellor, doesn't it? y ., ~ minister and the chancellor, doesn't it? i. ~ . ., it? do you think it will change the olitical it? do you think it will change the political map _ it? do you think it will change the political map in — it? do you think it will change the political map in so-called - it? do you think it will change the political map in so-called red - it? do you think it will change the political map in so-called red will| political map in so—called red will cease like this? you think people might vote differently in the future because of the behaviour of senior politicians?—

politicians? maybe but i suspect not. it seems _ politicians? maybe but i suspect not. it seems like _ politicians? maybe but i suspect not. it seems like one _ politicians? maybe but i suspect not. it seems like one rule - politicians? maybe but i suspect not. it seems like one rule for i not. it seems like one rule for them and one rule — not. it seems like one rule for them and one rule for— not. it seems like one rule for them and one rule for us _ not. it seems like one rule for them and one rule for us sort _ not. it seems like one rule for them and one rule for us sort of— not. it seems like one rule for them and one rule for us sort of thing. . and one rule for us sort of thing. he has— and one rule for us sort of thing. he has obviously lied in parliament. to me _ he has obviously lied in parliament. to me it— he has obviously lied in parliament. to me it is— he has obviously lied in parliament. to me it is very obvious. and he has obviously lied in parliament. to me it is very obvious.— to me it is very obvious. and how serious is — to me it is very obvious. and how serious is that _ to me it is very obvious. and how serious is that then? _ to me it is very obvious. and how serious is that then? what - to me it is very obvious. and how serious is that then? what should to me it is very obvious. and how i serious is that then? what should he do? ithink serious is that then? what should he do? i think you should _ do? i think you should resign personally, yeah. ithink do? i think you should resign personally, yeah. i think he should. he is— personally, yeah. i think he should. he is asking — personally, yeah. i think he should. he is asking us to obey one rule and then he _ he is asking us to obey one rule and then he is— he is asking us to obey one rule and then he is doing something completely different, the opposite. it is completely different, the opposite. it is not _ completely different, the opposite. it is not right, it is not fair. it is it is not right, it is not fair. is not it is not right, it is not fair. it is not british. it should be in parliament. _ is not british. it should be in parliament, it _ is not british. it should be in parliament, it is _ is not british. it should be in parliament, it is as - is not british. it should be in parliament, it is as simple . is not british. it should be ini parliament, it is as simple as is not british. it should be in- parliament, it is as simple as that. they— parliament, it is as simple as that. they made — parliament, it is as simple as that. they made the _ parliament, it is as simple as that. they made the rules, _ parliament, it is as simple as that. they made the rules, they- parliament, it is as simple as that. they made the rules, they break. parliament, it is as simple as that. i they made the rules, they break the rules, _ they made the rules, they break the rules, they— they made the rules, they break the rules, they shouldn't _ they made the rules, they break the rules, they shouldn't be _ they made the rules, they break the rules, they shouldn't be in— rules, they shouldn't be in parliament. _ rules, they shouldn't be in parliament.— parliament. simple and straightforward. - parliament. simple and straightforward. do i parliament. simple and straightforward. do you parliament. simple and i straightforward. do you think parliament. simple and _ straightforward. do you think they should resign? i straightforward. do you think they should resign?— should resign? i think they should be fired, should resign? i think they should be fired. not _ should resign? i think they should be fired, not resign. _ should resign? i think they should be fired, not resign. the - should resign? i think they should i be fired, not resign. the chancellor has thrown — be fired, not resign. the chancellor has thrown billions _ be fired, not resign. the chancellor has thrown billions away _ be fired, not resign. the chancellor has thrown billions away on - be fired, not resign. the chancellor has thrown billions away on tests i has thrown billions away on tests and trays — has thrown billions away on tests and trays not— has thrown billions away on tests and trays. not to _ has thrown billions away on tests and trays. not to mention- has thrown billions away on tests and trays. not to mention the i has thrown billions away on testsl and trays. not to mention the 5.4 trillion— and trays. not to mention the 5.4 billion fraud _ and trays. not to mention the 5.4 billion fraud. did _ and trays. not to mention the 5.4 billion fraud.— billion fraud. did you stick to the rules your _ billion fraud. did you stick to the rules your lockdown? _ billion fraud. did you stick to the

rules your lockdown? yes. i billion fraud. did you stick to the rules your lockdown? yes. what | billion fraud. did you stick to the i rules your lockdown? yes. what do you make of hearing that they didn't? ~ ., i. you make of hearing that they didn't? ~ ., , , you make of hearing that they didn't? ~ ., , ., didn't? what can you say? they have lied throughout. _ didn't? what can you say? they have lied throughout. they _ didn't? what can you say? they have lied throughout. they have _ didn't? what can you say? they have. lied throughout. they have misbehave throughout~ _ lied throughout. they have misbehave throughout~ what _ lied throughout. they have misbehave throughout. what else _ lied throughout. they have misbehave throughout. what else would - lied throughout. they have misbehave throughout. what else would you i throughout. what else would you expect _ throughout. what else would you expect from _ throughout. what else would you expect from them? _ throughout. what else would you expect from them?— throughout. what else would you expect from them? there we are, there is the _ expect from them? there we are, there is the views _ expect from them? there we are, there is the views of _ expect from them? there we are, there is the views of some - expect from them? there we are, there is the views of some voters| there is the views of some voters there is the views of some voters there in west yorkshire. ijust there in west yorkshire. i just want to update you with some breaking news as far as the wife of the prime minister is concerned, carrie johnson. because she has apparently paid herfine already. she has put out a statement via her spokesperson saying quote mrsjohnson has paid a fixed penalty notice relating to a gathering on the afternoon of the 19th ofjune 2020. that was the impromptu birthday party for the prime minister in the cabinet room. the statement goes on, quote, while she believed that she was acting in accordance with the rules at the time, mrsjohnson accepts the metropolitan police's findings and

apologises unreservedly. so that statement on behalf of carrie johnson, the prime minister's wife, saying she has paid the fixed penalty notice that she has been issued with. and that was in relation to that gathering on the afternoon of the 19th ofjune 2020. she thought she was following the rules, she says, the statement says, but she does apologise unreservedly. that's the very latest from carrie johnson. we haven't heard yet from the prime minister or the chancellor actually as to whether they have paid their fines. actually as to whether they have paid theirfines. it is up to actually as to whether they have paid their fines. it is up to them, they could theoretically appeal against the fixed penalty notices but it is widely thought very unlikely they would do so. let's hear now from douglas ross, who was the leader of the conservatives in scotland, who in the past has been critical of the prime minister over the the party gay allegations. well, i the the party gay allegations. well, i understand _ the the party gay allegations. well, i understand why _ the the party gay allegations. well, i understand why people _ the the party gay allegations. -jj i understand why people are angry, furious and livid at what has come out today and indeed that is the feeling is that many have felt since

these allegations first surfaced and evidence came out about them. but i have also said that we are dealing with a war —— over the partygate allegations. it is not right to change the leadership of the time we are facing a war in europe.— are facing a war in europe. should the prime minister _ are facing a war in europe. should the prime minister resign - are facing a war in europe. should the prime minister resign at i are facing a war in europe. shouldj the prime minister resign at some point? the prime minister resign at some oint? ~ ., , , , the prime minister resign at some oint? . ., , , , , ., point? well, all premises resign at some point- _ point? well, all premises resign at some point. but _ point? well, all premises resign at some point. but on _ point? well, all premises resign at some point. but on this _ point? well, all premises resign at some point. but on this matter? i | point? well, all premises resign at i some point. but on this matter? i am bein: some point. but on this matter? i am being asked — some point. but on this matter? i am being asked for _ some point. but on this matter? i am being asked for my _ some point. but on this matter? i am being asked for my response - some point. but on this matter? i am being asked for my response today i being asked for my response today when these fixed penalty notices will be an issue. i think it is right that anyone there been a considerable number that anyone apologises who has received a fixed band notice. now is the time to continue their support in our effort to stop the russians killing more innocent people in ukraine, which is why i think the prime minister

should continue that leadership in that response to the atrocious war in ukraine. i have said, i understand why people are furious about that. what people are saying, the sacrifices they made at the time. basilalso the sacrifices they made at the time. basil also be very critical of that in the past but the situation with ukraine has changed considerably. we are well into 40 plus days of that conflict. we have seen shallow graves of innocent people lying scarcely buried in ukraine. we know from this morning the us and the uk are investigating potential reports of chemical weapons being used in parts of ukraine by russian forces. and the only person who would benefit from a change in leadership in the uk at the moment would be vladimir putin. and i don't want to do anything that would help a war criminal like putin. ~ . ., would help a war criminal like putin. ~ .., , would help a war criminal like putin. ~ , ., .,

putin. we could be forgiven for lookin: putin. we could be forgiven for looking at _ putin. we could be forgiven for looking at this _ putin. we could be forgiven for looking at this and _ putin. we could be forgiven for looking at this and thinking i putin. we could be forgiven for looking at this and thinking he | putin. we could be forgiven for i looking at this and thinking he has been given a free pass? h0. looking at this and thinking he has been given a free pass?— looking at this and thinking he has been given a free pass? no, i don't think anybody _ been given a free pass? no, i don't think anybody l _ been given a free pass? no, i don't think anybody i would _ been given a free pass? no, i don't think anybody i would hope - been given a free pass? no, i don't think anybody i would hope would i think anybody i would hope would think anybody i would hope would think i'm doing that. i'm saying every single person including the prime minister and the chancellor, who have received these fixed penalty notices and have to that and have to explain their actions. i'm also been asked for the situation right now and the situation is thousands of innocent people being killed in ukraine and the ukraine president singling out borisjohnson for praise here. and what is being done for military assistance going to ukraine to help them defend their country and their freedoms. the sanctions that have been imposed by the united kingdom to punish putin and his forces. that has been welcomed by the ukrainian president. and we saw a walkabout between the two leaders in kyiv at the weekend how important that is notjust for politicians in ukraine but the people of ukraine. i am looking at the situation. i'm looking innocent

women and children being targeted by russians. i'm looking at war in europe i thought i would never see in my lifetime. and i'm looking at the situation right now, where we need to be as strong and united as possible to help the people of ukraine win their country back again, to defeat the russian forces. because we know that putin won't stop with ukraine if he gets his way there. in stop with ukraine if he gets his way there. , ., ., stop with ukraine if he gets his way there. i. ., ., , , there. in your own words there is an one there. in your own words there is any one consequence _ there. in your own words there is any one consequence if _ there. in your own words there is | any one consequence if somebody breaks the ministerial code and you are talking about nicola sturgeon on that occasion. this are talking about nicola sturgeon on that occasion-— that occasion. this is double standards. _ that occasion. this is double standards. well, _ that occasion. this is double standards. well, nicola i that occasion. this is double i standards. well, nicola sturgeon that occasion. this is double - standards. well, nicola sturgeon did mislead parliament and is still first minister and that is a cross—party group of mps in the chamber behind as he found her guilty of that. but borisjohnson will have to response that. there will have to response that. there will be statement of some kind will have to see what the spry melissa says. he has questions to answer, i'm quite clear about that, and anyone who has received one of these fixed penalty notices has to respond that. it wasn't an easy decision for me in the first place to submit that letter but the situation in ukraine

has changed events considerably. i want to do everything possible to help this effort to defeat putin and the russian forces in ukraine as many folks at the moment. what about the chancellor? well, the chancellor has questions to answer as well. i have said everything a person who receives that fixed penalty notice who has been involved in this situation has to answer these questions and i'm quite clear about that. . �* , questions and i'm quite clear about that. ., �*, that. that's douglas ross there, the leader of the — that. that's douglas ross there, the leader of the scottish _ leader of the scottish conservatives. and people in the conservatives. and people in the conservative party, senior people who have been very critical of the prime minister in the past, are now saying, like douglas ross, now is not the time because of the war in ukraine. now is not the time to try to topple the prime minister. now, we have also been hearing from the labour leader sir keir starmer, who was saying that this is the first time in the history of our country that prime minister has been guilty of being in breach of the law. for

that reason alone he needs to go. let's have a listen to sir keir starmer who has been speaking in preston. ma; starmer who has been speaking in preston. g ., , ., ., ., preston. my thoughts are with all of those who did _ preston. my thoughts are with all of those who did the _ preston. my thoughts are with all of those who did the right _ preston. my thoughts are with all of those who did the right thing - preston. my thoughts are with all of those who did the right thing and i those who did the right thing and for whom this is a real slap in the face. they made the most unimaginable heart wrenching sacrifices and many were overcome by guilt, guilt and sacrifices and many were overcome by guilt, guiltand not sacrifices and many were overcome by guilt, guilt and not seen elderly relatives. not going to funerals or weddings or even seen the birth of their own children. but the guilty men of the prime minister and the chancellor. they have dishonoured all of that sacrifice. they have dishonoured the office. this is the first time in the history of our country that the prime minister has been found to be in breach of the law. and then he lied repeatedly to the public about it. britain deserves better. they have to go. that is sir keir starmer, the labour party leader speaking in preston. we have also been hearing from the human rights barrister adam wachner,

he has got clients who were threatened with prosecution for allegedly breaking lockdown rules. he has been speaking to my colleague. l he has been speaking to my colleague-— he has been speaking to my colleauue. ., �* ., colleague. i haven't looked at the statistics recently _ colleague. i haven't looked at the statistics recently but _ colleague. i haven't looked at the statistics recently but i _ colleague. i haven't looked at the statistics recently but i think i colleague. i haven't looked at the statistics recently but i think the l statistics recently but i think the most fines were given out in the second lockdown, in the late 2020, early 2021. where there was a strong steer from the government that they didn't want, they thought that the compliance was going to be less because people are getting sick of being stuck indoors and that's something. so i think there was a strong steer the police to give people fixed penalty notices. so there were a lot. i think there were more given out in that period and other times, tens of thousands. just a final point — other times, tens of thousands. just a final point on this and that is in terms of the structure of these fines. there is quite a wide range, isn't there? fixed penalty fines sounds like it is going be quite modest but in some cases a thing which woken up to £10,000 won't we?

yes, so if you organise a gathering for over 30 people in public place or private dwelling you can be on the hook for £10,000. if you attend one of those gatherings it can be 850. but they're most likely here is between 60 and 200. the interesting thing is once you start getting multiple fixed penalty notices, so for example the prime minister attended six gatherings that are being attended. the first will be 200 and then a double double until the final one would be 6400 which would lead to, in the unlikely event, although who knows, that the prime minister receives six sequential fixed prime minister receives six sequentialfixed penalty prime minister receives six sequential fixed penalty notices thenit sequential fixed penalty notices then it could be on the hook for £6,400 in fines.— £6,400 in fines. that is very interesting — £6,400 in fines. that is very interesting as _ £6,400 in fines. that is very interesting as well. - £6,400 in fines. that is very interesting as well. we i £6,400 in fines. that is very interesting as well. we know £6,400 in fines. that is very i interesting as well. we know the prime minister has been fined but i'm not aware yet that he gave only

undertaking tells how much. haifa. i'm not aware yet that he gave only undertaking tells how much. now, but m best undertaking tells how much. now, but my best guess — undertaking tells how much. now, but my best guess given _ undertaking tells how much. now, but my best guess given that _ undertaking tells how much. now, but my best guess given that rishi - undertaking tells how much. now, but my best guess given that rishi sunakl my best guess given that rishi sunak and carriejohnson have all apparently been given fixed penalty notices, the only gathering all three of them apparently attended was the prime minister's birthday party. so i think this is most likely to be about that gathering because they would have given the fixed penalty notices out in a group. and i think if that is the case than it is likely to be a £200 fixed penalty notice.— case than it is likely to be a £200 fixed penalty notice. adam wachner that the barrister. _ fixed penalty notice. adam wachner that the barrister. i _ fixed penalty notice. adam wachner that the barrister. i enjoyed - that the barrister. i enjoyed hearing down a treat by our political correspondent rob watson. rob —— i am joined here by our political correspondent rob watson. i don't think it is a surprise in the sense you mean given the reporting we have heard about what has gone on in this building and others. but is it as a prize in the sense that you have people in the very highest positions of government being found by the police not to

have obeyed the laws that they passed. i think it is hard to imagine a bigger surprise in the existential sense of my goodness what an astonishing moment in british politics.— what an astonishing moment in british politics. where does this leave the prime _ british politics. where does this leave the prime minister, i british politics. where does this leave the prime minister, in i leave the prime minister, in particular? i mean come in the short term other tory mps who could theoretically decide to push him out because of this by issuing a no—confidence vote. also in the longer term if he survives, politically how damaged is he? it is politically how damaged is he? it is a very good — politically how damaged is he? it 3 a very good question. in a way i would turn back to you and say that is really up to the people of this country when the next time they get a chance to vote in these matters. he could have theory, by the way i don't think borisjohnson is about to resign. from what i've heard so far don't think conservative mps are about to push him out so that does really kick it on a bit more into the medium term and onto the british people. you hear that sort of theory that it people. you hear that sort of theory thatitis people. you hear that sort of theory that it is a bit like relationships, that it is a bit like relationships, that once something has gone slightly wrong as someone has said something to you that you don't quite turn out to be true that you

don't quite have the same relationship. will happen boris johnson's case with the british people? well, i guess we will find out at the local elections and subsequent ones. it out at the local elections and subsequent ones.— out at the local elections and subsequent ones. it is quite a visceral feeling, _ subsequent ones. it is quite a visceral feeling, isn't - subsequent ones. it is quite a visceral feeling, isn't it? i subsequent ones. it is quite a i visceralfeeling, isn't it? everyone knew what the rules were, most people follow the rules and with great hardship often. you know tear—jerking hardship in some cases when people couldn't visit that i'm relatives and so on. and then they see the rule makers being rule breakers. ,, ., ., ,, see the rule makers being rule breakers. ,, ., ., ~ ., breakers. sure, what if we take that to --eole, breakers. sure, what if we take that to people. it — breakers. sure, what if we take that to people. it is _ breakers. sure, what if we take that to people, it is absolute _ breakers. sure, what if we take that to people, it is absolute the - breakers. sure, what if we take that to people, it is absolute the case i to people, it is absolute the case that people have a really visceral sense about this that my goodness what on earth was going on? i couldn't visit a dying relative, i couldn't visit a dying relative, i couldn't visit a dying relative, i couldn't visit my elderly mother. but is also you might say a very large minority who whose view could be summed up as good or boris. cove it was on, there was a crisis, it was difficult all around the world so maybe people break the rules. was it the end of the world? seems to me that this country has pretty much

divided into those two camps, people just think i'm in a minute how come you don't get that this just can't happen. you can't have senior politicians broken the rules. another people taking the view, come on, we need to move on a bit. l on, we need to move on a bit. i remember at on, we need to move on a bit. i rememberat the time on, we need to move on a bit. i remember at the time we waited for the seagrave report and it very feeble while mood among mps. as the war in ukraine change the atmosphere a little bit —— the sue grave report. and has borisjohnson benefited that because it has taken some heat off him? i benefited that because it has taken some heat off him?— benefited that because it has taken some heat off him? i think the short answer is yes- _ some heat off him? i think the short answer is yes. this _ some heat off him? i think the short answer is yes. this is _ some heat off him? i think the short answer is yes. this is the _ some heat off him? i think the short answer is yes. this is the biggest i answer is yes. this is the biggest global event, certainly one of them, since the fall of the berlin wall, it is that big with what is happening with russia's invasion of ukraine. he is unable people in the country and conservative mp saying partygate country and conservative mp saying pa rtygate was country and conservative mp saying partygate was bad but we need to get on with it. that seems to be the prevailing mood from the

conservative mps have spoken to so far. but we are in recess so you don't get that normal fee braille atmosphere that you can get —— febrile atmosphere that you get in parliament sometimes. boris johnson ma be parliament sometimes. boris johnson maybe grateful _ parliament sometimes. boris johnson maybe grateful for _ parliament sometimes. boris johnson maybe grateful for that _ parliament sometimes. boris johnson maybe grateful for that that _ maybe grateful for that that parliament is in recess at the moment. parliament is in recess at the moment-— parliament is in recess at the moment. , , ., ., ., parliament is in recess at the moment. , , ., ., moment. yes, but again back to your ruestion moment. yes, but again back to your question of — moment. yes, but again back to your question of a — moment. yes, but again back to your question of a couple _ moment. yes, but again back to your question of a couple of— moment. yes, but again back to your question of a couple of questions i question of a couple of questions about, the one of long—term effects. obviously one can't know this, it is pure speculation, but i think that is the issue that when people think about partygate, if borisjohnson survives in the medium term the next few weeks will have a lasting effect on the way his party see him on the way the country see him? or will againjust way the country see him? or will again just like way the country see him? or will againjust like in the past be kind of priced in. a lot of people voted borisjohnson of priced in. a lot of people voted boris johnson they of priced in. a lot of people voted borisjohnson they priced in what thought he's just met like other politicians in terms of his ability to follow the rules are always say

things exactly factually accurate, if i could put in that rather delicate way.— if i could put in that rather delicate way. if i could put in that rather delicate wa . �* , ., ., delicate way. briefly, we have a few seconds, delicate way. briefly, we have a few seconds. the _ delicate way. briefly, we have a few seconds, the chancellor _ delicate way. briefly, we have a few seconds, the chancellor as - delicate way. briefly, we have a few seconds, the chancellor as well i seconds, the chancellor as well who had been seen as a potential rival to borisjohnson but now in the same boat. to boris johnson but now in the same boat. , ., ., ., ., .,, to boris johnson but now in the same boat. , ., ., ., ., , boat. yes, from hero to zero as they sa . rishi boat. yes, from hero to zero as they say. rishi sunak— boat. yes, from hero to zero as they say. rishi sunak has _ boat. yes, from hero to zero as they say. rishi sunak has had _ boat. yes, from hero to zero as they say. rishi sunak has had a _ boat. yes, from hero to zero as they say. rishi sunak has had a truly i say. rishi sunak has had a truly terrible time and this has not been a great week, has it?— terrible time and this has not been a great week, has it? thank you very much indeed. _ a great week, has it? thank you very much indeed, rob _ a great week, has it? thank you very much indeed, rob watson, - a great week, has it? thank you very much indeed, rob watson, our- much indeed, rob watson, our political correspondent with meat live in downing street. let me just recap the news that we were bringing new because we haven't heard yet in terms of reaction from the prime minister all the chancellor. we have heard from the prime minister's wife, carriejohnson, with a statement from her spokesperson saying that she has paid that fixed penalty notice. she has already paid. it was for a gathering here on the 19th ofjune 2020, which was the impromptu birthday party in the cabinet room for borisjohnson. so she says in that statement, through her spokesperson, at the time she

thought she was obeying the guidance but she now apologises unreservedly. you are watching bbc news, we are live here in downing street. hello, the easter weekend is not too far away and as we head towards that things are going to be turning dry and also warmer for many of us. we had some rain around that's properly the last of the significant rain will have of that next few days. this band of rain has been pushing northwards, now into northern ireland, moving away from northern england into scotland. second band has been pushing up through england. overnight this whole area of rain will be continuing on its journey northwards, eventually confined to the north—east of scotland. patchy rain into parts of wales and england. we could see temperatures in lower single figures but for most of us it is a mild night, five to 10

celsius the overnight low. tomorrow the low pressure moves away into the north sea. it will keep cloud and patchy rain across the north—east of scotland, a few showers to the west of scotland. a lot of cloud for most of scotland. a lot of cloud for most of us tomorrow morning, it will thin and break as the day wears on. showers developing and where we see those, vertically through the southern half of england they could well be heavy and thundery. but it will be feeling a touch warmer tomorrow, particularly for the east coast which has been on the cool side today. pollen levels tomorrow as well, high pollen levels for much of england and wales, the far north of england and wales, the far north of england and wales, the far north of england moderate does you head further north into scotland the pollen levels are mostly low. this is how wednesday shapes up, wednesday evening, clear skies across the eastern side of england but further west more cloud pushing across. again it will be a mild night but missed, low cloud and murk working gradually eastwards overnight. then we have this area of high pressure dominating the scene for most. you will notice that the

west this frontal system pushing in, that will bring some patchy rain into the west of ireland and the western isles but for most on thursday will mainly dry, the cloud will break so we will see spells of sunshine and the best of that sunshine and the best of that sunshine will be the further east you are. temperatures continue to rise, 19, 20 celsius by thursday. then the easter weekend and the most will be high pressure hanging on. frontal systems will push in from the atlantic and that could bring some showers to the western isles, northern ireland, maybe parts of western wales and south—west england. but for most through the bank holiday weekend it should be dry, feeling warmer. we could see some overnight mist and fog too.

borisjohnson becomes the boris johnson becomes the first sitting prime borisjohnson becomes the first sitting prime minister to be found to have broken the law after he is fined over breaching lockdown rules. both borisjohnson and the chancellor, rishi sunak, are to be fined, along with mrjohnson's wife, carrie. the labour leader said they should resign, saying mrjohnson had misled the public. resign, saying mrjohnson had misled the ublic. , ., , ., ., the public. they have dishonoured their office. _ the public. they have dishonoured their office, and _ the public. they have dishonoured their office, and then _ the public. they have dishonoured their office, and then he _ the public. they have dishonoured their office, and then he lied i their office, and then he lied repeatedly to the public about it. britain deserves better. they have to go. voters had strong views. it'sjust made me so angry. it's like one rule for them and one for us.