good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today... russian forces must be "pushed out of the whole of ukraine," according to the foreign secretary, liz truss. she calls on the west to use its strength to deter vladimir putin. some argue that we shouldn't provide heavy weapons for fear of provoking something worse. but my view is that inaction would be the greatest provocation. calls for more humanitarian help as the head of the united nations, antonio guterres, arrives in kyiv for talks with the ukrainian president, vlodymyr zelensky. going from bad to worse. britain's worst—performing mental health trust is rated inadequate again, with some services said to be

further deteriorating. more fears about household energy bills. sharp moves in the wholesale gas price as russia cuts off supplies to two european countries. i'll explain how it could affect households and businesses here. liverpool are on course for the champions league final, after dominating the first leg of their semi final against villareal, as they step up their chase of an unprecedented four major trophies this season. and no trophies for the weather. almost the same as yesterday. lots of low cloud across eastern and central parts of england. in the west there will be sunshine after a frosty start, which will be turning hazy through the day with the odd shower. all the detail throughout the programme. it's thursday, the 28th of april. our main story. the foreign secretary, liz truss, has said russian forces must be pushed out of "the whole of ukraine"

if the world is to enter a new era of peace and security. in a speech last night, she said victory for ukraine was a "strategic imperative" and that the conflict needed to be a "catalyst for wider change." the russian president vladimir putin has warned that countries intervening in ukraine will face what he called "lightning—fast" military retaliation, as andrew plant reports. the aftermath of a missile attack in the city of kharkiv in northern ukraine. at least one person is reported to have been killed here. the invasion has reduced much of this city to rubble. translation: it's scary. it's so painful. when it's dark, we're in fear. when there was a shooting, and when the evening comes, it's indescribable. unbearable. in a speech, the uk foreign secretary, liz truss, called for western countries to push russian forces out of ukraine.

some argue that we shouldn't provide heavy weapons for fear of provoking something worse. but my view is that inaction would be the greatest provocation. this is a time for courage, not for caution. now president putin has sent a message to the west, warning ukraine's allies against further interference. translation: if anyone from the outside intends to interfere in what's happening, then they should know this. if they create threats for us, threats of a strategic nature, our retaliation, our counter strike will be instantaneous. in the southern port city of mariupol, this steel plant, surrounded by russian forces, the last stronghold of ukrainian fighters here, their commander appealing for a mass evacuation, saying alongside 600 wounded soldiers are civilians, including children inside.

translation: today my appeal is apply the extraction _ procedure to us. the wounded will die and those who are alive will fall in the battle. civilians will die together with us. very, very many people have died in the city. the city has been wiped off the face of the earth. after meeting president putin earlier this week, today, the un secretary general, antonio guterres, will meet ukraine's president zelensky. the focus, he says, on securing humanitarian corridors to try to evacuate the thousands of civilians still caught in the fighting. andrew plant, bbc news. let's get the latest now from our correspondentjoe inwood in kyiv. how encouraging these words from the foreign secretary for ukrainians and

for president zelensky? i foreign secretary for ukrainians and for president zelensky?— for president zelensky? i think the words are encouraging _ for president zelensky? i think the words are encouraging but - for president zelensky? i think the words are encouraging but really i words are encouraging but really what they would say is words are fine, what is needed is action. whether this rhetoric from liz truss will be backed up by the sort of action that would be required. what is important to understand is what she is talking about is not taking back the territory that has been lost to russia in the last two months, it seems to be suggesting that russia would be kicked out of the crimea as well and areas of the donbas which they have held for eight years. that is a very different thing. that would require i think a strength of arms as well. it is not really clear the western allies will be able to provide that. it is a very, very ambitious aim, let's put it that way. the it is a very, very ambitious aim, let's put it that way.— let's put it that way. the un secretary-general _ let's put it that way. the un secretary-general was - let's put it that way. the un l secretary-general was visiting secretary—general was visiting vladimir putin. there was much criticism about him visiting the

russian president before president zelensky and seeing what is happening on the ground in ukraine. today there is that meeting but what is expected? ida today there is that meeting but what is exected? ., ., today there is that meeting but what is “netted?— is expected? no one is thinking there will be _ is expected? no one is thinking there will be peace _ is expected? no one is thinking there will be peace coming - is expected? no one is thinking there will be peace coming out| is expected? no one is thinking i there will be peace coming out of this. that is too much of an ambitious aim. there is one area where they think there could be some movement, marry a pole. we have heard of the steel plant where both fighters and civilians are trapped. it is thought he might be able to find a negotiated solution to that. he has an agreement in principle from president putin that civilians can be evacuated. we do not know if he has said that fighters can come out as well. president zelensky has said if the defenders of mariupol are killed, that will be a red line and all talks will be off. the conservative party is looking into claims that one of its mps was seen watching

pornography on his phone in the house of commons. it's understood that concerns were raised by a minister at a meeting of conservative mps on tuesday. in a separate incident, a female welsh mp has told the bbc about sexist comments allegedly made to her by a member of the labour front bench. our chief political correspondent adam fleming joins us now. this investigation raising a lot of questions about the culture within parliament. it questions about the culture within parliament. , questions about the culture within parliament-— parliament. it is not really the conservative _ parliament. it is not really the conservative party _ parliament. it is not really the conservative party that - parliament. it is not really the conservative party that is - conservative party that is investigating this now. reports were made to conservative party bosses but they have referred it to the complaints and grievances game, a completely independent scheme, with its own staff and own advisers and own policies. they will look into this case, but only if one of the mps who raised it and witnessed it actually makes a formal complaint about this person. no guarantee the investigation will even happen. if it does it will be completely

confidential, shrouded in a lot of secrecy, and it will take a long time. this grievance scheme is overloaded with a lot of complaints at the moment and that might mean it takes even longer. i can imagine some conservative mps, opposition mps and other observers thinking, is this the conservative party not taking full responsibility when maybe somebody could investigate it now? the conservative party would say they had done what the policy and procedures are parliament so you should do which is referring to this independent scheme, because that is what they will say. on the other side of the house of commons labour is basing its claim from a female mp that a member of the shadow cabinet made a sexually charged comment to them. waiting to hearfrom made a sexually charged comment to them. waiting to hear from the labour party what they intend to do about that. this week has been quite controversial in westminster with lots of questions being asked about the culture but also suggestions maybe there are policies in place to

deal with these issues when they come up. deal with these issues when they come u -. . ~' deal with these issues when they come u. ., ~ ,, deal with these issues when they comeu. . y deal with these issues when they comeu. . , . an nhs mental health trust, seen as the worst in england, has been warned it must improve or face further action after failing another inspection. the norfolk and suffolk nhs foundation trust has been rated inadequate by the care quality commission in its latest report. the trust has apologised but local campaigners claim at least i,ooo lives have been lost unnecessarily due to poor services. our health correspondent sophie hutchinson reports. abigail henry is autistic and has poor mental health. but her family says her condition worsened when the help she was getting from the community mental health team was cut. i mean, it's got to be about 15 times that her life has seriously been in danger. the other times are cries for help, or like self—harming, or taking an overdose. then, last year, abigail was taken to hospital following an attempted suicide. but rather than being given a psychiatric bed, she ended

up being sedated in intensive care. as they woke her up from the sedation, she then spent another week, just over a week in intensive care because there still wasn't any children's beds. and, at the time, there was people dying of covid in there. and it was just a really scary time for her. abigail's care comes under the worst performing trust in the country. today, hospital inspectors rated it inadequate once again. they found that care on the psychiatric ward for children and young people had deteriorated so severely, it had to be closed to new admissions. that support in the community for children and young people and adults was inadequate. and that crisis care was so poor, it was putting patients at risk. local campaigners and bereaved families say many have been harmed by the poor care.

they estimate over the past nine years, there have been 1,000 unexpected deaths. caroline aldridge's son, tim, was one of them. he was bipolar and had complex needs. he died in 2014, while waiting for an appointment at the age of 30. i find it really heartbreaking to sit with people who are newly bereaved and people find their way to you, and hear their stories of how they've just lost someone really precious to them and know that that was utterly preventable because we know from tim and other deaths that that is the consequences of those failings in services. in 2015, the norfolk and suffolk mental health trust became the first in nhs history to be put into special measures. since then, for most years, it's needed intensive support to improve. the trust says it's pleased inspectors saw some green shoots of change but has apologised for not doing more.

i continue to apologise for people who've not got the service they want. that is not the reason why any of us come into work every day. i don't want to put forward excuses of why that's the case. i want to absolutely focus on what do we need to do now to make this better so people get the services they're entitled to. but, for families like abigail's, improvements can't come soon enough. she's still, you know, she is still bouncing from crisis to crisis. and i don't know if we just have to try and manage it because there isn't any support. inspectors will return to the trust in the next few months and warn if services are no better, further action will be taken. sophie hutchinson, bbc news. a man is due in court this morning charged with the murder of 33—year—old katie kenyon. the mother—of—two, from lancashire, was last seen getting into a van in burnley nearly a week ago. although katie has not been found,

police say they are now working on the basis she is no longer alive. andrew burfield will appear before magistrates later. prince andrew has lost his freedom of the city of york honour following a vote by local councillors. the motion to remove the accolade was passed unanimously. councillors also called for him to relinquish his duke of york title in the wake of his out—of—court settlement with virginia giuffre, who had accused him of sexual assault, in the united states. it's 6:13am. now the weather with carol. it morning. if you are just stepping out on a cold start to the day once again. temperatures for northern parts of scotland and northern england have fallen away to minus three degrees. elsewhere we are looking at sunny spells. the exception is on eastern coastal

counties of england and into the midlands where there is low cloud, some of that picking a full spot of rain. some of that will head west. you can see the odd shower in south—west england and also northern scotland. breezy across the south today with an onshore breeze coming in from the north sea, it will feel quite cool. temperatures into the 16 mark. most of the shallows will tend to fade. we will see clear skies develop as well. temperatures falling away to below freezing, again in some parts of the north. we will be looking at a touch of frost to start the day tomorrow. it will be sunny to start. although low cloud, mist and mac sinks south. more sunshine for the rest of us

with a few showers. in the sunshine, 17 degrees, but still quite breezy in the english channel. see you later. meta, the company which owns facebook and instagram, has reported better than expected profits of $7.5 billion in the first three months of the year. the number of people using facebook every day also rose to nearly two billion, that's despite the platform recording its first ever decline in daily users last year. we're joined now by technology reporter gerrit de vynck. thank you very much for your time with us. it is interesting with meta, it has been transforming itself. how has the transformation been received?— been received? they are talking a lot about transforming _ been received? they are talking a| lot about transforming themselves been received? they are talking a - lot about transforming themselves by changing the name to meta, talking a lot about the metaverse, where we go into a computer world to work and

access entertainment, meet with each other. that feature is very far off, evenif other. that feature is very far off, even if it does actually happen. a lot of people are looking at the company and saying a lot of talk about the transformation is more to distract from the companyjust maturing and not growing as fast as it has done over the last ten, 15, 20 years. even though the stock was up 20 years. even though the stock was up after the numbers were reported, numbers are still pretty dismal. expectations are still pretty low. when it comes to facebook, still the most used social media platform, although in terms of profile is seen as less popular or less targeted for use, i suppose, as less popular or less targeted for use, isuppose, daily as less popular or less targeted for use, i suppose, daily users are declining. how concerned should meta be about that? the? declining. how concerned should meta be about that?— be about that? they are quite concerned _ be about that? they are quite concerned about _ be about that? they are quite concerned about it _ be about that? they are quite concerned about it but - be about that? they are quite concerned about it but at - be about that? they are quite concerned about it but at the | be about that? they are quite - concerned about it but at the way that investors look at these companies as they should grow all the time. every year they should

make tens of millions of dollars more than they made in the previous year. that is why these companies are worth so much money and why they are worth so much money and why they are so powerful. reality is facebook has recently struggled to stay popular among young people. that does not mean it is not still hugely popular. instagram is used by a lot of young people. facebook has tried to compete with snapchat, for example. tick—tock is an interesting part of the story. the company is relatively new and has only been around for a couple of years. during the pandemic that the popularity exploded. the way the stock market look at these things is a look at the next shiny thing and that is tiktok not facebook any more. expectations were getting higher for facebook and they are not to meet those expectations any more. thank

ou. let's take a look at today's papers. a number of papers, including the mirror, lead with claims that a senior tory mp was repeatedly seen by female colleagues watching porn on his phone while working in the commons. the times reports on the speech by foreign secretary liz truss, in which she described russian president vladimir putin as a "rogue operator" and warned he could launch further invasions of countries, such as moldova and georgia. there's also a photo of amal clooney, who attened the united nations in new york yesterday to discuss bringing potential war crime cases against russia. russia's decision to suspend gas supplies to poland and bulgaria has left europe "on the brink of a major energy crisis", says the guardian. the paper reports that the price of gas is now nearly seven times higher than it was a year ago and says experts have warned of "further pain for consumers should the supply crisis escalate". the telegraph speculates that

ben stokes will be the next england test cricket captain whenjoe root�*s successo is announced later today. what about the insides? a lovely story. you lose a wallet at a gig. andy evans lost his wallet at a gig in 2015. kind of rate. in the wallet was £140 in cash, his cards. he left it in a taxi after the gig, the taxi went and he thought, gone, absolutely gone. seven years ago. a short while ago, last saturday in fact, he received an envelope through the door from an anonymous sender and in it was the wallet, with all the cash and the cards, and some of the notes are out of circulation now, which you can

exchange with the bank for up—to—date notes. about £140 left inside. the sender left no note and he says where act of kindness. wouldn't you wonder where your wallet has been in all that time? maybe someone picked it up, got into the taxi, i am thinking of the top of my head. maybe sammy got in the taxi and put it in the jewel and it kind of got left in the back of that jewel. maybe they were cleaning out the jewel and they sent it back. presumably it had all the details on it which is why it was able to be delivered directly to his address. might have had drivers license. remember you used to get a paper bit with your drivers license. clearly a good deed someone has done. also thinking there was an element of guilt attached because they didn't identify themselves. they didn't put a note in saying that was the name

and they have found this. you would ask a lot of questions. andy evans would like to know if you are the person who said that because he would like to thank them personally. if you are that kind stranger, get in touch. things get lost and found, thatis in touch. things get lost and found, that is a good thing. that is the moralfor that is a good thing. that is the moral for the story. that is a good thing. that is the moralfor the story. bonnie that is a good thing. that is the moral for the story. bonnie and clyde have nothing on you. the investigation and everything. i was thinking more dempsey and makepeace. cagney and lacey, take your pick. we are talking about energy prices. you are going to take us through wholesale gas prices and how it works. talk about the cap, the energy price cap being higher than expected next year.— expected next year. there is a review that — expected next year. there is a review that is _ expected next year. there is a review that is due _ expected next year. there is a review that is due which - expected next year. there is a review that is due which will . expected next year. there is a i review that is due which will take effect in october. we also have a phenomenal and we are seeing things happening are very long way away

from us having a direct impact on our bills because of the well being so interconnected.— so interconnected. there was real ho e, so interconnected. there was real hope. wasn't _ so interconnected. there was real hope. wasn't i? — so interconnected. there was real hope, wasn't i? it _ so interconnected. there was real hope, wasn't i? it was _ so interconnected. there was real hope, wasn't i? it was hoped - so interconnected. there was realj hope, wasn't i? it was hoped next year bills would significantly drop, said the pain would be this year with the second cap coming up in october but at leastjob october but at least job significantly. because of all this insecurity, that is being pushed higher so we are getting the warning early. the higher so we are getting the warning earl . ' . , . ~ early. the difficulty in making estimates _ early. the difficulty in making estimates about _ early. the difficulty in making estimates about where - early. the difficulty in making estimates about where the i early. the difficulty in making i estimates about where the price cap will sit, there is notjust price spikes but there is volatility. what direction when it going when we get closer to that next viewpoint? let me explain the details for you. very good morning. russia is a major supplier of gas into europe. the uk is not as dependent

more than half of our gas is imported. so changes to the wholesale price matter. as supplies become restricted, demand and prices can rise. that's what happened yesterday when russia stopped gas exports to poland and bulgaria. really important to know that gas is also used to generate electricity. it was responsible for more than a third of our electric last month, for example. if you live in england, scotland or wales, you're likely covered by the consumer price cap at home. as we know, that went up tojust under £2,000 at the start of this month. so if you use an average amount of energy on a dual fuel bill, and you pay by direct debit, that's the maximum you should be paying. but that cap is going to be reviewed for october, and analysts at cornwall insight predict it could go up by another £600. if the wholesale price continues to go higher, then that prediction could also rise further. businesses though are not included in the price cap. so places that use a lot of energy could see their bills rise by even more. one of the big concerns at the moment is for swimming pools and leisure centres. the trade body ukactive say energy

costs for the sector have gone up from £500 million a year to well over1 billion. that's a huge challenge for places like tadcaster community swimming pool. swimming pools use a lot of energy to keep the air and the water temperature at a constant high level, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. an example of that is the water's kept at 30 degrees. the small pools is kept at 31 degrees, and the air temperature's kept at 29 degrees. and that is happening all the time. so the gas is used to heat the water and heat the air, and then the electricity is used to move the water through the filtration system and move the air throughout the pool hall. the scale of the increases is huge. it's looking as if it's going to treble. so at the moment, we pay £50,000 a year for our electricity, which looks as if it's going to go up to 135,000, if not more. the gas situation is something similar, and that's protected until next september. we currently pay 35,000 and that will go up to at least 70,000—plus and that's only been

in that first 12 months. the future of the trust is going to be really, really challenging in the current climate with the energy prices as high as they are. we'll have to look at everything from energy saving measures through to price increases throughout our programme. so including schools, swimming lessons, general public. it's going to be a real challenging period. one of the changes that we're looking at is passing on the price to the customer, but it's going to be a significant price increase and it's going to impact families and people in the community, who are already feeling the pinch at home with the increases at home. and that's not what we stand for as a community pool. everybody who has a swimming pool is in this situation. extremely high costs to keep it open and keep it operating. they're really, really, really struggling. i'd like to see the government step in and offer some support to swimming pools, and how users of an essential service that is supporting communities and getting people fit, reducing pressures on the nhs. we need help now.

a government spokesperson told us it is in regular contact with energy suppliers, the energy regulator ofgem and businesses to understand what support is needed. they also told us they'd given £1 billion to the leisure sector during the pandemic. with inflation already at a 30—year high, driven in large part by these high energy prices, families and businesses will be watching this situation really closely. the worry is if the wholesale volatility sticks then higher prices for you and i could stay for longer. thank you very much. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london. i'm alison earle. teachers at a catholic school in south london are going on strike after a gay author was banned from visiting. the walk—out atjohn fisher school

in croydon comes as some lgbt+ londoners say they believe it's important to talk about their experiences in schools. isaac is a transgender man who works with charity just like us which tries to challenge stereotypes even though some believe lgbt issues have no place in education. i realised i was trans. i kind of had to do that research myself, but i thought, "god, if only i'd had something like that "at school, i could have described how i felt and not felt so other "and outcast that whole time," because i went through a lot of depression because of that. so it's really rewarding now to be able to give that education to kids at schools, the education that i wish i'd had. pedicabs could soon need a licence to operate after new laws were announced by the government. it follows a campaign for tougher rules after complaints about them ripping off tourists and playing loud music. if the legislation is approved, drivers will need to apply to tfl for approval, and will see limits on how much they can charge forjourneys.

a recruitment drive is being held at lords cricket ground to fill support posts in the nhs. it's part of a campaign to find people to work alongside doctors in everything from mental health to children's services. so far, more than 1,500 job offers have been made at similar events across the uk. travel now, and this is how tfl services are looking right now. there's no service on the metropolitan line between wembley park and aldgate. there's no service on the district line between upminster and whitechapel. there's no service on the hammersmith and city line between plaistow and barking. there are severe delays on the circle line. on tfl rail between liverpool street and shenfield. and no service on the northern line between moorgate and kennington due to upgrade work. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello. good morning. with high pressure very much dominating the weather at the moment, then it's still looking dry, but it will be rather cloudy at times. that cloud feeding through on that north easterly wind in from the north sea. yesterday was cloudy and cool, but today quite hopeful for something a bit brighter and warmer.

it's a chilly start to the morning, though, particularly for southern home counties. here we saw temperatures drop back to low single figures last night underneath clear skies. but of course, we've got lots of sunshine here to start the day. further north, it's milder, but there's also quite a bit of cloud around this morning. that cloud should thin and break up at times throughout the day. but the best of the sunshine always the further south you are, it's set to stay dry, but we've still got a keen northeasterly wind, particularly towards eastern areas of the capital. top temperatures a little higher than yesterday's 15, maybe 16 celsius in the best of the sunshine. overnight tonight, we do the whole thing all over again. so there will be some clear spells here. temperatures will drop the lowest, otherwise cloudy, lows between 4 and 7 degrees celsius. and then tomorrow, lots of cloud around through the morning, but we should see the cloud break up into the afternoon to give us some sunshine, and with clear skies friday into saturday, possibly a touch of frost. that's it for now. i'm back with the latest from bbc

london in half an hour. now, though, it's back to naga and charlie. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. coming up on breakfast this morning — football rivals are coming togetherfor a new suicide prevention campaign. we'll hear more about itjust after 8.30. soft cell�*s marc almond tells us what inspired the synthpop duo to record their first album in 20 years. and alan partridge is back on the road — we'll speak to steve coogan about taking his most famous character on tour. the ukrainian government has told the united nations that more than 500,000 of its civilians have been forcibly deported

to russia, including 120,000 children. the kremlin says ukrainians are willingly moving to russia. but the bbc has heard from families of some of those taken captive by russian forces, and civilians who've been returned from russia on prisoner exchanges, who deny those claims. yogita limaye reports. still in disbelief that he is back home. thus cross volunteer was deported to russia, captured as he was evacuating people from war hit areas near kyiv. translation: we were areas near kyiv. translation: - were beaten with rifles, punched and kicked. they blindfolded us and tied our hands with tape. the used tasers and kept asking for information about the military. after six days in a crowded basement in ukraine, we were taken to belarus. they thought

were taken to belarus. they thought we couldn't see, but i saw our car crossing the border. he we couldn't see, but i saw our car crossing the border.— crossing the border. he showed us the identity _ crossing the border. he showed us the identity slip — crossing the border. he showed us the identity slip made _ crossing the border. he showed us the identity slip made for- crossing the border. he showed us the identity slip made for him i the identity slip made for him there. it's issued by the military of the russian federation. and what does it say on the top? from the belarus, he says, they were driven to a russian prison. translation: the torture continued. if you dared to look up at the russian soldiers, we would be beaten. they treated us like animals. one evening, i counted 72 people, but there were more because we could hear the voices of others. the fact it is a large number of ukrainians there. he does not know why — number of ukrainians there. he does not know why he _ number of ukrainians there. he does not know why he was _ number of ukrainians there. he does not know why he was picked - number of ukrainians there. he does not know why he was picked for i number of ukrainians there. he does not know why he was picked for the i not know why he was picked for the prisoner exchange. the only one from his cell. and even next to him, he

had heard there were people from the chernobyl nuclear site. when we went to the plant, we found evidence of men being taken. this is the basement at chernobyl, where 169 basement at chernobyl, where169 ukrainian national guard were held for weeks when it was occupied. other staff saw them being taken from here by russian forces as they withdrew from northern ukraine. in a village nearby, we met the family of one of the missing men. we are hiding their identities to protect them. the garda's wife last spoke to him on the 31st of march just before he was taken. translation: he told me i am he was taken. translation: he told me i am 0k — he was taken. translation: he told me i am ok physically, _ he was taken. translation: he told me i am ok physically, but _ he was taken. translation: he told me i am ok physically, but not i me i am 0k physically, but not emotionally. i could hear the anxiety— emotionally. i could hear the anxiety in _ emotionally. i could hear the anxiety in his voice, she said. our

son keeps— anxiety in his voice, she said. our son keeps asking where his father is. son keeps asking where his father is he _ son keeps asking where his father is he is _ son keeps asking where his father is. he is very worried and he is scared — is. he is very worried and he is scared that _ is. he is very worried and he is scared that i might disappear too, so he _ scared that i might disappear too, so he keeps following me around everywhere. so he keeps following me around everywhere-— so he keeps following me around eve here. ., ' , ., everywhere. from different parts of ukraine, everywhere. from different parts of ukraine. we — everywhere. from different parts of ukraine, we have _ everywhere. from different parts of ukraine, we have spoken _ everywhere. from different parts of ukraine, we have spoken to - everywhere. from different parts of ukraine, we have spoken to the i ukraine, we have spoken to the families of more than a dozen civilians who have been taken. only a few have been released. the kremlin says civilians are willingly crossing the border, but everything we have had strongly contradict those claims. ukraine's prosecutor general says they are hearing testimony of war crimes on the people who returned. taste testimony of war crimes on the people who returned. we interview eve one people who returned. we interview everyone who _ people who returned. we interview everyone who can _ people who returned. we interview everyone who can come _ people who returned. we interview everyone who can come back i people who returned. we interview everyone who can come back from | everyone who can come back from russian federation or occupied territories. almost all of them were

tortured in russian prisons. for me as a prosecutor, it is very important. as a prosecutor, it is very important-— as a prosecutor, it is very important. as a prosecutor, it is very imortant. �* ., ., , ., important. and as the war rages on in ukraine's— important. and as the war rages on in ukraine's east _ important. and as the war rages on in ukraine's east and _ important. and as the war rages on in ukraine's east and south, i important. and as the war rages on in ukraine's east and south, everyl in ukraine's east and south, every day there are new reports of people being forced into russia. we will get updates from our correspondent on the ground in kyiv later in the programme. the time now is for snack. —— the time now is 6.35. now time for the sport. liverpool will feel they should have won by more than two goals the way

they dominated their champions league semifinal first leg against villarreal. it was not thought earlier in the season that they could do this. remember the spanish team had already knocked out the likes ofjuventus and bayern munich, but they were no match for liverpool, who maintained their relentless pursuit of four major trophies, as patrick gearey reports an extended step towards paris, and the unchartered territory beyond. the final and the quadruple moves closer for liverpool, but this needed their full attention. the l'oreal are called the yellow submarine, so liverpool is the perfect place to dock and block, hoping red raiders were off. for a half it worked, just. thiago a long way out, only a little way off. but

how do de's notes can change with just a touch. this was it. liverpool captainjordan henderson basked in the moment, but in the record it will see own goal. liverpool are not here by accident. they are in with a shout of winning every competition because of the football that led to sadio mane making it 2—0. everybody knew what it meant. you sadio mane making it 2-0. everybody knew what it meant.— knew what it meant. you try and fail, ou knew what it meant. you try and fail, you try _ knew what it meant. you try and fail. you try and _ knew what it meant. you try and fail, you try and you _ knew what it meant. you try and fail, you try and you fail, - knew what it meant. you try and fail, you try and you fail, and i knew what it meant. you try and fail, you try and you fail, and at| fail, you try and you fail, and at one point you think, come on, it is not my day any more, we really had to stay positive in these moments and try and fail, but keep trying, in the same mindset, that is what we did, the goals we were outstanding. the yellow submarine are never sunk, but they are in uncomfortably deep. liverpool can come up for air only briefly. right now their fixtures are just like their football, relentless. there's another big night of european action tonight. rangers and west ham

are in the semi—finals, of the europa league, both against german teams. rangers will play the first leg of their semifinal away at rb leipzig. thousands of fans have travelled to germany to cheer their team on, so many that the leipzig coach joked that he's having to move out of the hotel he's been staying in. first of all, we are happy that a lot of rangers fans will come inside the city because they pay hotels, restaurants, they buy beer, such as good for the economy of germany. also in my hotel, we are living still in need of a good hotel in the centre, and they told me that 200 fans were coming to this hotel, so i will sleep here in the academy the next two days. it will sleep here in the academy the next two days-— next two days. it could get a bit nois , next two days. it could get a bit noisy, couldn't _ next two days. it could get a bit noisy, couldn't it? _ west ham are at home to eintracht frankfurt. it's the first time david moyes has managed a club in a european semifinal, and it'll be the first time the hammers have got that far in europe since 1976, when they lost in the final

of the european cup winners' cup. and leicester city are hoping to reach their first european final in the europa conference league. brendan rodgers' side host jose mourinho's roma in their semifinal first leg at the king power stadium, with both teams bidding to play in the inaugural competition's first ever final. now as you mentioned in your look at the front pages, its expected that the new captain of the england test cricket team, will be announced today, with the overwhelming favourite, being, ben stokes, england's talisman all rounder for the last few years, and recently vice captain, forjoe root, who resigned a fortnight ago after the test side's poor run of form. england have lost five series on the trot, and won just one, of their last 17 test matches. katie taylor and amanda serrano's contest to be undisputed world champion has been dubbed "a moment in time," as the first female fight

to headline at the iconic boxing venue madison square garden in new york. with both fighters at the top of their game, it'll be a seminal moment women's boxing. promoter eddie hearn has called it "the biggest fight in women's history," and 35—year—old taylor is relishing the prospect. i'v e i've always wanted to have that impact and this influence on people, especially because it feels like we are bringing the whole sport up with us as well. this is for the next generation of fighters, we are breaking down barriers and that is exactly what i have always wanted to do. 2019 championjudd trump will face three—time winner mark williams for a place in the world snooker championship final. that's after trump came back from 8—5 down against stuart bingham, winning the last eight frames in a row to clinch their quarterfinal, while john higgins beat jack lisowski to set up a semi against ronnie o'sullivan. former england hooker tom youngs has retired from professional rugby with immediate effect at the age of 35. the leicester tigers veteran has been on leave since october to care for his wife, tiffany. he won 28 england caps and featured for the british and irish lions as well as playing

215 times for leicester. youngs said he "always planned this season being my last," and he "had no regrets." tigers fans will get to say their goodbyes on saturday. he'll lead the team out ahead of their premiership game with bristol. mike, thank you very much. here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. what is that behind you? beautiful there. it is the northern light, a picture from one of our weather watchers taken last night in aberdeenshire. and another one also from aberdeenshire, taken this morning, saw some beautiful pictures coming in of the northern light. of course, aberdeenshire and eastern scotland as the crow flies over towards the west, we have wildfires in kyle of lochalsh which have been burning for the last 2a hours, everything has been so dry and

breezy, helping the drying out process, high pressure family in charge of our weather at the moment. not until the weekend for some of us we see a bit of a change. but this morning, of low cloud across eastern and central parts of england, thick enough for the odd spot of rain. we also have some clear skies to stop with, a cold and frosty stop, through the day a bit and frosty start, through the da but more cloud bubbling up turning something hazy, the outside chance of a shout in south—west england, and also a few showers getting on across northern scotland. breezy across southern areas today, and with onshore breeze coming in from the north sea, here it will feel cool if you are out and about. heading on through the evening and overnight, a lot of the showers will fade, still some cloud around, but under clear skies, temperatures will fall away, and across northern and southern scotland, and also northern england, we could well see a touch of frost as we could in sheltered parts of northern ireland and north wales. where we have the clear skies means we will start with some sunshine, and tomorrow a bit of a change in

lincolnshire and yorkshire because this low cloud will sink further south into the south—east quarter, where again with the onshore breeze it will feel cooler, but could also catch the odd spot from that as well. furtherwest, more sunshine than today, hazy at well. further west, more sunshine than today, hazy at times with temperatures ranging from nine to 17 celsius. then as we head into the weekend, high pressure stops to slip, allowing this area of low pressure to move across arsenal at its various fronts. that will bring in some rain, some much—needed rain, actually. that comes on across western scotland and northern ireland, at times heavy and the cloud will build ahead of it, but push further south of that, we are back on to dry and bright conditions with some sunshine. nine in lerwick, 12 in aberdeen and glasgow, 16 in newcastle and cardiff. by sunday comedy weather front will continue to move south, here it is moving erratically, weakening as it

collides with the high pressure, so the rain as it comes in to england, wales and northern ireland will tend to be patchy in nature, that will brighten up across northern scotland and parts of eastern england as we go through the day. but temperatures will be that little bit lower, but in glasgow, they will be higherfor you, at 17 celsius. carol, thank you. this time next week voters in england, scotland and wales will head to the polls to take part in local elections, with assembly elections in northern ireland. our political correspondent alex forsyth has been to southampton, where the conservatives took control of the council last year, to ask what will be affecting people's decision there. the political race is on. with elections around the corner, parties are trying to grab votes, and at the southampton planning centre, people are pretty clear what is on their minds. ., ., , ., ., minds. inflation is going mad. especially _ minds. inflation is going mad. especially fuel _ minds. inflation is going mad. especially fuel prices, - minds. inflation is going mad. especially fuel prices, public l especially fuel prices, public transport, it is going absolutely

insane. obviously there has to be something done about that asap because people will not be able to handle this much longer. heat because people will not be able to handle this much longer. next week because my — handle this much longer. next week because my collections _ handle this much longer. next week because my collections in _ handle this much longer. next week because my collections in england i because my collections in england are about who runs local services, but they will also serve which parties are on their way up and which could be losing grip. they are the first widespread test of opinion since the war in ukraine, since prices really started to climb, and of course since news of lockdown parties in downing street. i of course since news of lockdown parties in downing street.- parties in downing street. i think that'll probably _ parties in downing street. i think that'll probably contribute i parties in downing street. i think that'll probably contribute to i parties in downing street. i think that'll probably contribute to the | that'll probably contribute to the way that'll probably contribute to the way a _ that'll probably contribute to the way a lot — that'll probably contribute to the way a lot of vote, if believers is shaken — way a lot of vote, if believers is shaken in — way a lot of vote, if believers is shaken in a _ way a lot of vote, if believers is shaken in a party, that will change the way— shaken in a party, that will change the way that people see them, both on the _ the way that people see them, both on the local and wider scale. in terms on the local and wider scale. terms of on the local and wider scale. in terms of covid, and obviously we have _ terms of covid, and obviously we have had — terms of covid, and obviously we have had the _ terms of covid, and obviously we have had the recent _ terms of covid, and obviously we have had the recent partygate, . terms of covid, and obviously we have had the recent partygate, ii have had the recent partygate, i follow _ have had the recent partygate, i follow that— have had the recent partygate, i follow that kind _ have had the recent partygate, i follow that kind of _ have had the recent partygate, i follow that kind of stuff - have had the recent partygate, i follow that kind of stuff becausej have had the recent partygate, i. follow that kind of stuff because it is all over— follow that kind of stuff because it is all over the _ follow that kind of stuff because it is all over the media, _ follow that kind of stuff because it is all over the media, but - follow that kind of stuff because it is all over the media, but overall. follow that kind of stuff because it is all over the media, but overall ij is all over the media, but overall i would _ is all over the media, but overall i would care — is all over the media, but overall i would care more _ is all over the media, but overall i would care more about _ is all over the media, but overall i would care more about the - is all over the media, but overall i would care more about the local. would care more about the local elections — would care more about the local elections because _

would care more about the local elections because your- would care more about the local. elections because your counsellor can make — elections because your counsellor can make a — elections because your counsellor can make a change _ elections because your counsellor can make a change for— elections because your counsellor can make a change for you. i can make a change for you. southampton— can make a change for you. southampton is— can make a change for you. southampton isjust - can make a change for you. southampton is just one i can make a change for you. i southampton isjust one place can make a change for you. - southampton isjust one place where southampton is just one place where these elections will test the political water, these elections will test the politicalwater, not these elections will test the political water, notjust for these elections will test the political water, not just for the larger parties, but the greens, and a host of others, too. what happens in these elections will be seen as the public�*s view of the political parties nationally. for the conservatives, is borisjohnson still a vote winner? for labour, is keir starmer rebuilding support where he needs to? remember, these elections will decide who runs local services, so for many people, local factors will count. in southampton city centre, brenda has had a tough couple of years trying to keep a therapy business afloat, and with prices rising, she says it is local support that matters to her. electric builds have almost doubled, you know, and again, that affect running gusts, where we are not owning as much now. i think more could be done to dry to support those businesses that are trying to support the communities, because we

are all playing our part. hat support the communities, because we are all playing our part.— are all playing our part. not far awa , are all playing our part. not far away. this _ are all playing our part. not far away, this cocktail— are all playing our part. not far away, this cocktail bar - are all playing our part. not far away, this cocktail bar was i are all playing our part. not far away, this cocktail bar was set | are all playing our part. not far. away, this cocktail bar was set up after the pandemic as a place to bring people together. the owners say community is important to them, but to keep going, they need backing. but to keep going, they need backinu. ., . ., backing. from the pandemic to the war in ukraine, _ backing. from the pandemic to the war in ukraine, you _ backing. from the pandemic to the war in ukraine, you know, - backing. from the pandemic to the war in ukraine, you know, down i backing. from the pandemic to the war in ukraine, you know, down to| backing. from the pandemic to the i war in ukraine, you know, down to so many— war in ukraine, you know, down to so many factors — war in ukraine, you know, down to so many factors affecting us, high inflation — many factors affecting us, high inflation rate, some things have increased — inflation rate, some things have increased in price by more than 100%~ — increased in price by more than 10096. ~ ., , ., ., 10096. we are 'ust hanging on the line t in: 10096. we are 'ust hanging on the time trying to — 10096. we are just hanging on the line trying to see _ 10096. we are just hanging on the line trying to see that _ 10096. we are just hanging on the line trying to see that we - 10096. we are just hanging on the line trying to see that we stay. i 10096. we are just hanging on the| line trying to see that we stay. we really need a change whereby all the small businesses can be supported. the economy cannot do without small medium _ the economy cannot do without small medium scale businesses.— medium scale businesses. whether local or national _ medium scale businesses. whether local or national factors _ medium scale businesses. whether local or national factors are - medium scale businesses. whether local or national factors are at i local or national factors are at play, there is a what that stake in these elections which could cause quite a political shake—up. alex forsyth, bbc news, southampton.

you can see what elections are taking place in your area and all the candidates on the bbc news website. labour will be hoping to make significant gains next week to make up for its losses in last year's elections. we're joined now by shadow pensions secretaryjonathan ashworth. good morning to you. just casting your eye ahead to just a week ahead now, what are your thoughts at this late stage in the election? weill. now, what are your thoughts at this late stage in the election? well, we are working — late stage in the election? well, we are working very — late stage in the election? well, we are working very hard _ late stage in the election? well, we are working very hard to _ late stage in the election? well, we are working very hard to wind i are working very hard to wind the trust of the british people in that these elections. what i am finding as i am speaking to people going round the country is that people are facing real hardship at the moment, people are skint, i have spent a lot of time talking to pensioners. if you are a pensioner now, rather than being protected through this gust of living crisis, is borisjohnson promised, you're facing the biggest real terms cut in the value of your pension for 50 years. i heard

stories yesterday of how more and more about retired people are going to food banks, they cannot afford the price rises in the shops, the heating builds going up, and this is a time when yesterday a trust was seen to have given out over 2 million food parcels. you have got parents who will be watching the programme this morning, getting ready for work, so they are in work, but they are still faced with making choices between fading their electricity meter or fading their children. that is how hard things are for people, and what help do you get from borisjohnson? there's real hardship out there. but get from boris johnson? there's real hardship out there.— get from boris johnson? there's real hardship out there. but can you hand on heart say — hardship out there. but can you hand on heart say that _ hardship out there. but can you hand on heart say that if _ hardship out there. but can you hand on heart say that if labour— hardship out there. but can you hand on heart say that if labour were i hardship out there. but can you hand on heart say that if labour were in i on heart say that if labour were in power right now, those pensioners

would not be facing similar hardships? the cost of living crisis is something that is to a great degree outside the control of a government, it is easy to stand on the sidelines and say they are doing badly. ll the sidelines and say they are doing badl . ., , ' the sidelines and say they are doing badl . ., , , u, badly. it would be different, i can see at hand _ badly. it would be different, i can see at hand on _ badly. it would be different, i can see at hand on heart, _ badly. it would be different, i can see at hand on heart, absolutely. l see at hand on heart, absolutely. we told the government, don't break your triple lock promised to pensioners, that is the agreement by which the pensions rises every year. borisjohnson broke that big promise to pensioners on the triple lock, and there are other things governments could do. we could impose a windfall, we would impose a windfall tax, and those big bumper profits of the gas and oil companies have been making and use that money to bring energy bills down for lots of households across the country. we would not have gone ahead with this punishing tax rates. i think there has actually been 15 tax rises now under borisjohnson and rishi sunak, but we would not have gone ahead with that national insurance rise

they have just imposed on people, another broken promise. sol they have just imposed on people, another broken promise. so i can put my hand in my heart and say we would be making different choices now. jn be making different choices now. in your first answer, you said you are working hard to win the trust of voters. have you got a trust problem? j voters. have you got a trust problem?— voters. have you got a trust roblem? ~' , ,., .., problem? i think every political -a problem? i think every political party wants _ problem? i think every political party wants to _ problem? i think every political party wants to win _ problem? i think every political party wants to win the - problem? i think every political party wants to win the trust - problem? i think every political party wants to win the trust ofl problem? i think every political. party wants to win the trust of the british people. i am well aware that we got an absolute hammering in the last general election. a lot of people in a lot of areas switch their vote for the first time from labour to conservative and put their trust in borisjohnson, but he has betrayed that trust. he has betrayed the pensioners by imposing this biggest real terms cut in the pension for 50 years, he has betrayed working people by increasing the national insurance, if any punishing tax rise, when he said he wouldn't, and people are paying more tax, what are you getting forward? longer waiting lists in the hospitals, our children are not getting the level of

education they deserve, our streets are not as safe as they should be, so you're paying all this extra tax under the conservatives and getting less in return.— less in return. given what you have described in _ less in return. given what you have described in terms _ less in return. given what you have described in terms of _ less in return. given what you have described in terms of what - less in return. given what you have described in terms of what people | described in terms of what people may be seeing from the labour party if they accept what you have said about what they have delivered or not delivered, what kind of games are you expecting to make? j’m not delivered, what kind of games are you expecting to make? i'm not a psych°l°9ist, — are you expecting to make? i'm not a psych°l°9ist, i _ are you expecting to make? i'm not a psychologist. i am — are you expecting to make? i'm not a psychologist, i am not— are you expecting to make? i'm not a psychologist, i am not an _ are you expecting to make? i'm not a psychologist, i am not an expert - are you expecting to make? i'm not a psychologist, i am not an expert on l psychologist, i am not an expert on which council suits you should be looking at and all that. what i do know is that the british public are fed up. after 12 years now of conservative government, where we have got the biggest tax burden for a generation, this big collapse in living standards, other people are struggling to put food on the table, they are having to cut back struggling to put food on the table, they are having to cutback on their weekly shop because the prices are going up, the taxes going up, the pensioners being cut, and if you are an universal credit, that is being cut. i think people think it is time for a change, but we will know any week so, won't we? j

for a change, but we will know any week so, won't we?— for a change, but we will know any week so, won't we? i must ask you had a number _ week so, won't we? i must ask you had a number of _ week so, won't we? i must ask you had a number of issues _ week so, won't we? i must ask you had a number of issues around - week so, won't we? i must ask you had a number of issues around the | had a number of issues around the house of commons right now, specifically about a new claim from a female welsh mp, we do not know what party, who has told bbc wales about lewd comments allegedly made to her by a member of the shadow cabinet. what can you tell us about that? j cabinet. what can you tell us about that? .. ., cabinet. what can you tell us about that? .., ., _, cabinet. what can you tell us about that? ., that? i cannot tell you anything about it other— that? i cannot tell you anything about it other than _ that? i cannot tell you anything about it other than what - that? i cannot tell you anything about it other than what i - that? i cannot tell you anything about it other than what i have | that? i cannot tell you anything - about it other than what i have just heard on the news a few minutes ago. all of these claims we are hearing about, it is shocking, foul, disgusting, but it is also utterly depressing, because parliament, in my view, it's still the arena in which the big issues of the day are sorted out. it should be the arena where we are putting in place measures to help people through this cost of living crisis. and all of these stories coming out reveal the misogyny. there is actually also a

bullying culture in that place as well. and most of us go into politics for public service, to do good. you might disagree with her politics, you may think we get things wrong or think we do not come to the correctjudgment, but in the end of the majority of us are therefore public service, and yet therefore public service, and yet there are clearly people in that place were behaving inappropriately, behaving wrongly, and the authorities of all political parties need to resolve it. these things need to resolve it. these things need to resolve it. these things need to be sorted out these people need to be sorted out these people need to be kicked out. you need to be sorted out these people need to be kicked out.— need to be sorted out these people need to be kicked out. you said you have 'ust need to be kicked out. you said you have just heard _ need to be kicked out. you said you have just heard about _ need to be kicked out. you said you have just heard about it, _ need to be kicked out. you said you have just heard about it, is - need to be kicked out. you said you have just heard about it, is that - have just heard about it, is that really the case? this is an allegation about one of your colleagues, some of sit next to an shadow cabinet, presumably in the house of commons as well, what will happen, what are you going to do, what will the labour party do? j what will the labour party do? i honestly have literallyjust heard about it as i was walking into the

studio, on that particular case you have just raised with me. obviously this has to be investigated, and we need to find out who these people are. , , ., , need to find out who these people are, g , ., , . ., need to find out who these people are. , . ., , ., are. just to be clear, i 'ust want to be ceanl * are. just to be clear, i 'ust want to be clear, you _ are. just to be clear, i 'ust want to be clear, you are _ are. just to be clear, ijust want to be clear, you are saying - are. just to be clear, ijust want to be clear, you are saying that| are. just to be clear, i just want. to be clear, you are saying that the labour party now will be initiating an investigation? i labour party now will be initiating an investigation?— an investigation? i am sure they will be. an investigation? i am sure they will be- as _ an investigation? i am sure they will be- as i _ an investigation? i am sure they will be. as i say, _ an investigation? i am sure they will be. as i say, i— an investigation? i am sure they will be. as i say, i literally - an investigation? i am sure they will be. as i say, i literallyjust. will be. as i say, i literallyjust heard about this as i walked into the studio at 6.1t0am this morning, but i would now expect the labour party to look into that. {lilla but i would now expect the labour party to look into that.— party to look into that. 0k, and in connection — party to look into that. 0k, and in connection with _ party to look into that. 0k, and in connection with the _ connection with the allegations about the conservative party, which is concerning your deputy leader, of course, do you know... the conspiracy of silence around all of these things is one of the things that leaps out at anyone looking at it from the outside, things have gone on in the house of commons, would you tell us if you knew the person, the conservative, who had been watching pornography on their phone? would you tell us? i been watching pornography on their phone? would you tell us?- been watching pornography on their phone? would you tell us? i mean, i

don't know— phone? would you tell us? i mean, i don't know who _ phone? would you tell us? i mean, i don't know who it _ phone? would you tell us? i mean, i don't know who it is _ phone? would you tell us? i mean, i don't know who it is first _ phone? would you tell us? i mean, i don't know who it is first of - phone? would you tell us? i mean, i don't know who it is first of all, - don't know who it is first of all, if the conservatives know who it is, then the need to suspend this individual, not knock it into a bureaucratic process, it may well be that the conservative mps who have made the warnings do not feel comfortable in hearing more details, i honestly don't know, but clearly the fact that people perhaps do not want to come forward with all the details reveal something about culture of that place, and we have got to sort it out, the misogyny, the billion, the sexism, has to come to an end, and it is incumbent on all of us in politics, including myself, to speak out and demand that we have a better way of doing things, and that those people who misbehave and sully the name of parliament are dealt with. just to be clear, when _ parliament are dealt with. just to be clear, when you _ parliament are dealt with. just to be clear, when you say _ parliament are dealt with. just to be clear, when you say speaking | be clear, when you say speaking out, you should speak out, you are saying to your colleagues across political boundaries in the house of commons, if you know who these people are,

tell us their names, is that what you're saying? so the names, do not get bogged down an investigation that could be cloaked in secrecy, we have a right to know everyone else? if people are making a complaint about people, they should have a process to go to within the political parties and it should be dealt with. i do not know the names of the both are very serious allegations you have put to me this morning, i genuinely do not know, but for people are making complaints should feel comfortable and confident, or our culture should be such that people feel comfortable and confident giving more details. understood. i do and confident giving more details. understood-— and confident giving more details. understood. ., ., ., ., understood. i do not want to win the erson understood. i do not want to win the person making _ understood. i do not want to win the person making the _ understood. i do not want to win the person making the complaints, - person making the complaints, because the culture in that place is often so billion, so misogynist, it is understandable that people would feel intimidated into not coming forward and we have to deal with that. g ., . . forward and we have to deal with that. g ., ., ., ~ , ., forward and we have to deal with that. g ., . . . , ., . ~' forward and we have to deal with that. g ., ., ., ~ , ., ., ~ that. jonathan ashworth, thank you ve much that. jonathan ashworth, thank you very much for— that. jonathan ashworth, thank you very much for your _ that. jonathan ashworth, thank you very much for your time _ that. jonathan ashworth, thank you very much for your time this - very much for your time this morning. very much for your time this morning-— time now to get the news,

travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london, i'm alison earle. teachers at a catholic school in south london are going on strike after a gay author was banned from visiting. the walkout atjohn fisher school in croydon comes as some lgbt+ londoners say they believe it's important to share their experiences with young people. isaac is a transgender man who works with charityjust like us, which tries to challenge stereotypes even though some believe lgbt issues have no place in school. i realised i was trans. i kind of had to do that research myself, but i thought, "god, if only i'd had something like that at school, i could have described how i felt and not felt so othered and outcast that whole time," because i went through a lot of depression because of that. so it's really rewarding now to be able to give that education to kids at schools, the education that i wish i'd had. pedicabs could soon need a licence to operate after new laws were announced by the government.

it follows a campaign for tougher rules after complaints about them ripping off tourists and playing loud music. if the legislation is approved, drivers will need to apply to tfl for approval, and will see limits on how much they can charge forjourneys. a recruitment drive is being held at lords cricket ground to fill support posts in the nhs. it's part of efforts to find people to work alongside doctors in everything from mental health to children's services. so far, more than 1,500 job offers have been made at similar events across the uk. travel now. and this is how tfl services are looking right now. there's no service on the hammersmith and city line between moorgate and barking. that is part suspended now. there are severe delays on metropolitan line between wembley park and aldgate. there are severe delays on the district line and circle line. there are severe delays on tfl rail between liverpool street and shenfield.

the usual issues on the northern line, due to upgrade work. on to the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello. good morning. with high pressure very much dominating the weather at the moment, then it's still looking dry, but it will be rather cloudy at times. that cloud feeding through on that north easterly wind in from the north sea. yesterday was cloudy and cool, but today quite hopeful for something a bit brighter and warmer. it's a chilly start to the morning, though, particularly for southern home counties. here we saw temperatures drop back to low single figures last night underneath clear skies. but of course, we've got lots of sunshine here to start the day. further north, it's milder, but there's also quite a bit of cloud around this morning. that cloud should thin and break up at times throughout the day. but the best of the sunshine always the further south you are, it's set to stay dry, but we've still got a keen northeasterly wind, particularly towards eastern areas of the capital. top temperatures a little higher than yesterday's 15, maybe 16 celsius in the best of the sunshine. overnight tonight, we do the whole thing all over again. so there will be some clear spells here. temperatures will drop the lowest, otherwise cloudy, lows between 4 and 7 degrees celsius.

and then tomorrow, lots of cloud around through the morning, but we should see the cloud break up into the afternoon to give us some sunshine, and with clear skies friday into saturday, possibly a touch of frost. that's it for now. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london in half an hour. bye for now. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today... russian forces must be "pushed out of the whole of ukraine," according to the foreign secretary. liz truss calls on the west to use its strength to deter vladimir putin. some argue that we shouldn't provide heavy weapons for fear of provoking something worse. but my view is that inaction would be the greatest provocation.

ukrainians says more humanitarian help is needed as the head of the united nations, antonio guterres, arrives in kyiv for talks with the president zelensky. going from bad to worse. britain's worst—performing mental health trust is rated inadequate again, with some services said to be further deteriorating. millions of children in england are waiting for dental appointments because of huge backlogs caused by the pandemic. liverpool are on course for the champions league final, after dominating the first leg of their semi final against viyareal, as they step up their bid, to become the first english club, to win 4 major trophies in a season. low cloud, picking up for the odd spot of rain. low cloud, picking up for the odd spot of rain-— spot of rain. further west cold start with _ spot of rain. further west cold start with trust _ spot of rain. further west cold start with trust around. - spot of rain. further west cold start with trust around. the i start with trust around. the sunshine will turn hazy throughout the day. all the details throughout this morning's programme. it's thursday, the 28th of april.

the foreign secretary, liz truss, has said russian forces must be pushed out of "the whole of ukraine" if the world is to enter a new era of peace and security. in a speech last night, she said victory for ukraine was a "strategic imperative" and that the conflict needed to be a "catalyst for wider change." the russian president vladimir putin has warned that countries intervening in ukraine will face what he called "lightning—fast" military retaliation, as andrew plant reports. the aftermath of a missile attack in the city of kharkiv in northern ukraine. at least one person is reported to have been killed here. the invasion has reduced much of this city to rubble. translation: it's scary. it's so painful. when it's dark, we're in fear. when there was a shooting, and when the evening comes, it's indescribable. unbearable. in a speech, the uk

foreign secretary, liz truss, called for western countries to push russian forces out of ukraine. some argue that we shouldn't provide heavy weapons for fear of provoking something worse. but my view is that inaction would be the greatest provocation. this is a time for courage, not for caution. now president putin has sent a message to the west, warning ukraine's allies against further interference. translation: if anyone from the outside intends to interfere in what's happening, then they should know this. if they create threats for us, threats of a strategic nature, our retaliation, our counter strike will be instantaneous. in the southern port city of mariupol, this steel plant, surrounded by russian forces, the last stronghold of ukrainian fighters here, their commander appealing for a mass evacuation, saying alongside 600 wounded soldiers are civilians, including

children inside. translation: today my appeal is apply the extraction _ procedure to us. the wounded will die and those who are alive will fall in the battle. civilians will die together with us. very, very many people have died in the city. the city has been wiped off the face of the earth. after meeting president putin earlier this week, today, the un secretary general, antonio guterres, will meet ukraine's president zelensky. the focus, he says, on securing humanitarian corridors to try to evacuate the thousands of civilians still caught in the fighting. andrew plant, bbc news. the conservative party has asked for an independent

investigation to be launched into claims that one of its mps was seen watching pornography on his phone in the house of commons. it's understood that concerns were raised by a minister at a meeting of tory mps on tuesday. in a separate incident, a female welsh mp has told the bbc about sexist comments allegedly made to her by a member of the labour front bench. our chief political correspondent adam fleming joins us now. when it comes to the culture within parliament, wejust had when it comes to the culture within parliament, we just had jonathan ashworth from the labour party on and are about to talk to ben wallace from the conservatives later. he said there is a bullying culture and it is misogynistic. now the focus needs to be directed to fixing this in parliament.— needs to be directed to fixing this in parliament. another one of those moments where _ in parliament. another one of those moments where the _ in parliament. another one of those moments where the culture - in parliament. another one of those moments where the culture in - moments where the culture in parliament is put under the microscope and to be found a bit unpleasant. bit by bit gets a bit more pleasant and more procedures and processes are put in place and

people's behaviour gets better but it still does not solve the problem. what is happening at the moment is these claims from a couple of conservative mps that one of their male colleagues was watching inappropriate stuff on the phone, thatis inappropriate stuff on the phone, that is being referred to the independent grievance scheme that parliament has. it would require those mps to actually make a formal complaint to trigger an investigation and that could take quite some time and be shrouded in a lot of secrecy. that scheme is facing a lot of complaints at the moment so it might take even longer for them to get ranted dealing with it. jonathan ashworth was suggesting that was kicking into a bureaucratic process when the tories could take a more political action in suspending this person, although i am sure this person will want to make his case for what has gone on. the second case, a member of the shadow cabinet is being accused by an unnamed welsh mp of making very sexually charged

comments to her. jonathan ashworth saying he hopes the party would investigate that. it has been quite a week at westminster.— a week at westminster. certainly has. not a week at westminster. certainly has- not over — a week at westminster. certainly has. not over yet. _ an nhs mental health trust seen as the worst in england has been warned it must improve or face further action after failing another inspection. the norfolk and suffolk nhs foundation trust has been rated inadequate by the care quality commission in its latest report. the trust has apologised but local campaigners claim at least 1,000 lives have been lost unnecessarily due to poor services. our health correspondent sophie hutchinson reports. abigail henry is autistic and has poor mental health. but her family says her condition worsened when the help she was getting from the community mental health team was cut. i mean, it's got to be about 15 times that her life has seriously been in danger. the other times are cries for help, or like self—harming,

or taking an overdose. then, last year, abigail was taken to hospital following an attempted suicide. but rather than being given a psychiatric bed, she ended up being sedated in intensive care. as they woke her up from the sedation, she then spent another week, just over a week in intensive care because there still wasn't any children's beds. and, at the time, there was people dying of covid in there. and it was just a really scary time for her. abigail's care comes under the norfolk and suffolk mental health trust, the worst performing trust in the country. today, hospital inspectors rated it inadequate once again. they found that care on the psychiatric ward for children and young people had deteriorated so severely, it had to be closed to new admissions. that support in the community for children and young people and adults was inadequate.

and that crisis care was so poor, it was putting patients at risk. local campaigners and bereaved families say many have been harmed by the poor care. they estimate over the past nine years, there have been 1,000 unexpected deaths. caroline aldridge's son, tim, was one of them. he was bipolar and had complex needs. he died in 2014, while waiting for an appointment at the age of 30. i find it really heartbreaking to sit with people who are newly bereaved and people find their way to me, and hear their stories of how they've just lost someone really precious to them and know that that was utterly preventable because we know from tim and other deaths that that is the consequences of those failings in services. in 2015, the norfolk and suffolk mental health trust became the first in nhs history to be put into special measures. since then, for most years, it's needed intensive support to improve. the trust says it's pleased

inspectors saw some green shoots of change but has apologised for not doing more. i continue to apologise for people who've not got the service they want. that is not the reason why any of us come into work every day. i don't want to put forward excuses of why that's the case. i want to absolutely focus on what do we need to do now to make this better so people get the services they're entitled to. but, for families like abigail's, improvements can't come soon enough. she's still, you know, she is still bouncing from crisis to crisis. and i don't know if we just have to try and manage it because there isn't any support. inspectors will return to the trust in the next few months and warn if services are no better, further action will be taken. sophie hutchinson, bbc news. some children in england

are being forced to take time off school for severe toothache because they've been unable to see an nhs dentist. the british dental association says a0 million fewer appointments took place during the pandemic, and now one school in west yorkshire is relying on a charity to help their pupils affected by the backlog, as luxmy gopal reports. jenna is popping out of lessons to visit the dentist... ..in a van at her school. hi, jenna, how are you? good. and you? she has an abscess and needs fillings. it was constantly painful and, like, i couldn't sleep. i would put something cold and, like, to try to ease the pain. it affected my learning because there were a constant pain and i couldn't concentrate

on what the teachers were saying. some pupils here have had such severe toothache they've had to leave lessons to get pain relief while some have had to miss days of school entirely. we've had to take students to the hospital because the tooth decay has been that bad in their teeth. having to intervene at this level is taking resources away from the rest of the school. and, like i say, frustration when it doesn't really feel it should fall with schools. round about six days, i felt really normal. it felt a bit odd just for a few days, but... cain, in his first year of gcses, has been suffering for months. it was like a massive crack in my tooth, so it really hurt every time i got some food, or summat stuck inside of it. and then i couldn't really concentrate on the things i was doing because it would really hurt. we were looking for a dentist. we went to one in elland, but they said that i'd either have to have an extraction, or like a cap in my tooth.

but they said, like, because it wasn't nhs related, and they said i have to pay like 50 quid or something for it. but my mum and dad couldn't afford it, so we just didn't get it. it's really difficult, if not impossible, to get an nhs dentist. and with the costs of private dentistry, that is prohibitive for a lot of parents to have to pay for private treatment. so they were left in this terrible situation where they knew that their children were in pain, but they weren't able to find the solution for them. the school stepped in with a solution of their own, enlisting the help of a charity, which does outreach work through volunteer dentists in a mobile unit. after screening all 800 pupils, the team discovered one in ten needed treatment. we've seen a lot of children with high carious problems, so they've got a lot of holes in their teeth and they need to have some teeth removed. this is the first time that we've ever done anything to this extent.

we've never had the amount of volume of children before. the charity dentaid was originally set up to help people in developing countries, but demand for its services here in the uk has increased over the past few years, made a lot worse by the pandemic. the british dental association says the pandemic has led to a backlog of more than 12.5 million nhs dentist appointments for children in england. around 1,000 dentists left the nhs in england last year. that's an 8% drop in the total workforce. the department of health says it provided unprecedented support for nhs dentists during the pandemic, is tackling the covid backlog and says there were nearly 300 more dentists registered last december than the previous year. after i came here, i've had no more pain. i can now focus in lessons. it's no long—term fix, but at least for now, the charity is ensuring these children's dental issues aren't leaving them in pain and aren't hurting their education.

lakshmi gopal, bbc news, sowerby bridge. we can speak now to dentist, mark green, who's also a member of the british dental association. morning. morning. can you explain how it works? _ morning. morning. can you explain how it works? is _ morning. morning. can you explain how it works? is it _ morning. morning. can you explain how it works? is it all— morning. morning. can you explain how it works? is it all the - morning. morning. can you explain how it works? is it all the work- morning. morning. can you explain how it works? is it all the work you do is nhs? i how it works? is it all the work you do is nhs?— how it works? is it all the work you do is nhs? . ., ,, , , , do is nhs? i am an nhs dentist, yes. no rivate do is nhs? i am an nhs dentist, yes. no private work? _ do is nhs? i am an nhs dentist, yes. no private work? i _ do is nhs? i am an nhs dentist, yes. no private work? i can _ do is nhs? i am an nhs dentist, yes. no private work? i can can _ do is nhs? i am an nhs dentist, yes. no private work? i can can my- no private work? i can can my fingers the amount of private patients i have seen in all my years. patients i have seen in all my ears. ~ , ., patients i have seen in all my ears. ~ , . ., patients i have seen in all my ears. ., ., years. why are there not more dentists who _ years. why are there not more dentists who think _ years. why are there not more dentists who think it _ years. why are there not more dentists who think it is - years. why are there not more i dentists who think it is financially viable to work for the nhs will be an nhs dentist? the viable to work for the nhs will be an nhs dentist?— viable to work for the nhs will be an nhs dentist? the current contract we have is from _ an nhs dentist? the current contract we have is from 2006. _ an nhs dentist? the current contract we have is from 2006. before i an nhs dentist? the current contract we have is from 2006. before that l we have is from 2006. before that what you did was what you got paid for. there were 400 items me you can imagine how complicated it was but everything you did there was a fee. was it fairly paid?—

was it fairly paid? there were problems _ was it fairly paid? there were problems with _ was it fairly paid? there were problems with that _ was it fairly paid? there were problems with that system i was it fairly paid? there were problems with that system as j was it fairly paid? there were i problems with that system as well, we are always complaining. it was in three bands of treatment. all of the items were put in three bands. some of them were losses because the time needed, like, root fillings, the time needed for a route filling is more complicated and there are more instruments used and the time was not proportionately paid for. it was a loss. he not proportionately paid for. it was a loss. ., .,, ., , not proportionately paid for. it was a loss. ., ., , ., a loss. he would lose money on treatment? _ a loss. he would lose money on treatment? over _ a loss. he would lose money on treatment? over the _ a loss. he would lose money on treatment? over the last i a loss. he would lose money on treatment? over the last ten i a loss. he would lose money on i treatment? over the last ten years of reduced funding, _ treatment? over the last ten years of reduced funding, you _ treatment? over the last ten years of reduced funding, you talk- treatment? over the last ten years of reduced funding, you talk about | of reduced funding, you talk about efficiency savings following the crisis, nhs dental practices are probably the most efficient service you can get. full percent in efficiency savings meant a full percent pay per year—on—year. —— 4% in efficiency savings. that percent pay per year-on-year. -- 496 in efficiency savings.— in efficiency savings. at the heart of this is the _ in efficiency savings. at the heart of this is the health _ in efficiency savings. at the heart of this is the health of _ in efficiency savings. at the heart

of this is the health of young i of this is the health of young people's teeth. what have you seen? sometimes it focuses the mind. we have had dentist in before about some of the things they had witnessed and worked on, children who are not getting the care they need. we who are not getting the care they need. ~ ., who are not getting the care they need. . . . . need. we had the pandemic which dela ed need. we had the pandemic which delayed the _ need. we had the pandemic which delayed the preventative - need. we had the pandemic which delayed the preventative side i need. we had the pandemic which delayed the preventative side we | need. we had the pandemic which i delayed the preventative side we do a lot on children. we give oral health education and that has not been done for the last two years. to decay can go rapidly downhill. we have seen lots of large, and restorable teeth which had to be extracted. children like most people are very anxious about that and that sometimes means referral into the hospital service. you sometimes means referral into the hospital service.— hospital service. you have had to car out hospital service. you have had to carry out extractions _ hospital service. you have had to carry out extractions for - hospital service. you have had to carry out extractions for young i carry out extractions for young people? carry out extractions for young eo - le? carry out extractions for young --eole? , , , . ., , people? oh, yes, five-year-olds. this would _ people? oh, yes, five-year-olds. this would have _ people? oh, yes, five-year-olds. this would have been _ people? oh, yes, five-year-olds. this would have been different i people? oh, yes, five-year-olds. i this would have been different from previously? this would have been different from reviousl ? ., ~ , previously? there are pockets, deprivation _ previously? there are pockets, deprivation areas _ previously? there are pockets, deprivation areas where - previously? there are pockets, deprivation areas where there l previously? there are pockets, i deprivation areas where there has never been access to nhs dentistry, always pockets which did not have

that access and it has escalated now, it has got to a point where it is everywhere, it seems to be rampant. is everywhere, it seems to be rampant-— is everywhere, it seems to be ramant. ~ . , ., , ., rampant. what needs to be done? children, parents _ rampant. what needs to be done? children, parents might _ rampant. what needs to be done? children, parents might need i rampant. what needs to be done? children, parents might need to i rampant. what needs to be done? i children, parents might need to have access to nhs dentist. we children, parents might need to have access to nhs dentist.— access to nhs dentist. we shouldn't have to rely — access to nhs dentist. we shouldn't have to rely on _ access to nhs dentist. we shouldn't have to rely on good _ access to nhs dentist. we shouldn't have to rely on good people - access to nhs dentist. we shouldn't have to rely on good people at i have to rely on good people at dentaid doing charity work at these schools. the contract needs looking at again. we have been talking to the nhs people and the commissioners and it has been kicked into the long grass will ten years or more. they were piloting a new way of working which was cut short on the 1st of april, this last month. there was nothing in place. it keep talking about, yes, we want to do this, we want to help, it is always, we are doing something i keeping us on this withering vine. there is no one coming up underneath me. when i hang up my coming up underneath me. when i hang up my drill, there is no one there,

there is no one wanting to have a future in nhs dentistry.— there is no one wanting to have a future in nhs dentistry. thank you so much for— future in nhs dentistry. thank you so much for your _ future in nhs dentistry. thank you so much for your time. _ pregnancy loss can be a life—changing experience but despite estimations that one in five pregnancies end in miscarriage, it's still something that is not often spoken about openly. our global health correspondent tulip mazumdar has suffered pregnancy loss herself, and has been finding out more about why it happens, and how care could be improved around the world. some viewers may find this report upsetting. you never think it will happen to you. one day your baby is there, you heard its fierce heartbeat. the next, the life inside of them, their life inside of you, is gone. it's estimated that around one in five pregnancies end in miscarriage.

but the numbers are vague, as most countries don't actually count these losses. i've had one healthy pregnancy, my beautiful boy, ryon. and four that ended in loss. two were early miscarriages, and two happened much later into my pregnancies, where i gave birth to my tiny babies, river and ray. —— rivah and rae. i am one of tens of millions of women around the world who have suffered pregnancy loss. and, as my work as global health correspondent has shown me many times, i know how lucky i am to have received the level of care i've had. the conversation around pregnancy loss is opening up so much more here in the uk with things

like this beautiful exhibition here in manchester. but, after my losses, it struck me. given how physically and mentally painful miscarriage can be, why aren't we talking about it more? why don't we know more about why it happens? so my name's professor siobhan quarmby. my name's natasha. i've spent the last few months looking into how pregnancy loss impacts families all around the world and how they can be better supported. why the colour of our skin can affect our chances of having a healthy pregnancy. ijust don't think we're being listened to, and heard in the spaces. do you think it is about the colour of your skin? absolutely. yes, absolutely. yes. and heard from one group often left out of the conversation. my wife was near to die. and i'd cry sitting on the toilet because that was the only time i could get to be alone.

and tulip mazumdarjoins us now. good morning. it is a really important thing to talk about but it is deeply personal for you. yes. and i su ose is deeply personal for you. yes. and i suppose it — is deeply personal for you. yes. and i suppose it is _ is deeply personal for you. yes. and i suppose it is because _ is deeply personal for you. yes. and i suppose it is because of— is deeply personal for you. yes. and i suppose it is because of my - i suppose it is because of my experience that i really did feel compelled to make this documentary, and to try and open up the conversation a bit more. obviously, my role at the bbc is global health correspondent, so it was about talking about it across the world will do even though the conversation is opening up much more across the uk, it is still seen as to be in many communities in the uk and across the world as well. tell many communities in the uk and across the world as well.- many communities in the uk and across the world as well. tell us a bit more if — across the world as well. tell us a bit more if you — across the world as well. tell us a bit more if you are _ across the world as well. tell us a bit more if you are comfortable i across the world as well. tell us a l bit more if you are comfortable with that of your own experience. i bit more if you are comfortable with that of your own experience.- that of your own experience. i have had four losses, _ that of your own experience. i have had four losses, two _ that of your own experience. i have had four losses, two early - that of your own experience. i have had four losses, two early ones i that of your own experience. i have | had four losses, two early ones and two late losses, which were in the

second trimester, one at 16 weeks and one at 20 weeks. for those losses, even though i knew, intellectually i knew, this is what happens, i had to give birth to the two babies, two little boys and i think after those two in particular, i was quite stunned at what a terrible experience it is, both physically and mentally. when you look at the numbers, one in four, one in five pregnancies end in miscarriage, although they are estimates because it is not counted in the uk or countries around the world, that is very, very common. when i started looking into why does this happen, what other treatments, what research is going on, it was really quite limited compared to many of the other health stories i have covered and that to me seem like madness mcgivern what the impact it can have on you. mira;

like madness mcgivern what the impact it can have on you. why isn't it counted? — impact it can have on you. why isn't it counted? it _ impact it can have on you. why isn't it counted? it is _ impact it can have on you. why isn't it counted? it is difficult. _ impact it can have on you. why isn't it counted? it is difficult. they i it counted? it is difficult. they were counted _ it counted? it is difficult. they were counted in _ it counted? it is difficult. they were counted in the _ it counted? it is difficult. they were counted in the uk i it counted? it is difficult. they were counted in the uk until. were counted in the uk until relatively recently but they were just counted in terms of hospital admissions, people that ended up in hospital. in my example, that was only two late losses, the two early one—sided go to hospital briefly nhs sediment we think you are having a miscarriage. go away for two weeks and come back. that miscarriage. go away for two weeks and come back.— miscarriage. go away for two weeks and come back. that is something so commonly heard. _ and come back. that is something so commonly heard. it _ and come back. that is something so commonly heard. it tends _ and come back. that is something so commonly heard. it tends to - and come back. that is something so commonly heard. it tends to be i and come back. that is something so commonly heard. it tends to be whatj commonly heard. it tends to be what ha ens. commonly heard. it tends to be what happens- women _ commonly heard. it tends to be what happens. women two _ commonly heard. it tends to be what happens. women two lose _ commonly heard. it tends to be what happens. women two lose -- - commonly heard. it tends to be what| happens. women two lose -- women commonly heard. it tends to be what i happens. women two lose -- women do happens. women two lose —— women do lose pregnancies in the first three months. there is a campaign to get them panted. most women will miscarry at home. i did not tell anyone about my first miscarriage, it was very early. this whole rhetoric around it is really common, it is what happens, it is women's

issues and women's problems, what goes on. even make it didn't really register, i did not tell my gp. it only came up when i had my second miscarriage that i had one already. congratulations, by the way. it must have been very difficult making this film on a personal level. for those who are working with as well, most women who are intent on having families had experiences like this, and fears of theirs.— and fears of theirs. certainly tthhiiss. important - and fears of theirs. certainly tthhiiss. important to i and fears of theirs. certainly i tthhiiss. important to remember and fears of theirs. certainly - tthhiiss. important to remember most women and families who want a baby go on to have healthy pregnancies evenif go on to have healthy pregnancies even if they have one or two miscarriages. it is no i was filming with my lovely camera women, rachel price, on the story towards the end of last year, that is when we started looking into it. she had a loss during filming. she talks about it quite openly and says she finds it quite openly and says she finds it helpful. she came off the project and we worked with some other

cameramen instead. i mean, i do not know, i am speechless, what do you say? know, i am speechless, what do you sa ? ., , know, i am speechless, what do you sa ? . , ., know, i am speechless, what do you sa? . , ., ., , ., say? that is how common it is. how do we change? _ say? that is how common it is. how do we change? how _ say? that is how common it is. how do we change? how does _ say? that is how common it is. how do we change? how does the i say? that is how common it is. how. do we change? how does the rhetoric around it change? it is really common, it happens. the whole thing about as pregnancies a practice run for the body commit is almost dismissed but less in that it is a women's problem because the partnership should always be recognised as well. particularly with an early miscarriage it is dismissed. with an early miscarriage it is dismissed-— with an early miscarriage it is dismissed. . , ., ., dismissed. that is what we look at in this documentary _ dismissed. that is what we look at in this documentary as _ dismissed. that is what we look at in this documentary as well. i dismissed. that is what we look at in this documentary as well. we i in this documentary as well. we reflect on partners who are often left out of the conversation. it does not need to be this way. there is an idea that because it is so common, because it has been happening as long as we have been having children for, it is part of life. it does not have to be as dramatic and awful as it is and does not had to happen so often. there is research, very recently there have

been treatments that had been recommended by nice, including giving progesterone for some women in early pregnancy. we have a treatment for miscarriage in early pregnancy. that has only been confirmed in the last six months. there are other studies going on at the moment looking at the kind of micro biome in the regina, for example, looking at the lining of the room, looking at what role your hormonal changes play and whether that can be medicated. i, for example, have never had a reason for my losses, i have had investigations but i have never had a reason. there are things they said we can try and we are actually trying now. so far this pregnancy has been successful. the key thing i am hearing from families but also researchers, this is just part of life. it does not need to be and things can be done if

the funding is put in place and researches done.— the funding is put in place and researches done. that is grieving fit into all of— researches done. that is grieving fit into all of this? _ researches done. that is grieving fit into all of this? it _ researches done. that is grieving fit into all of this? it is _ researches done. that is grieving fit into all of this? it is really i fit into all of this? it is really difficult because _ fit into all of this? it is really difficult because grieving i fit into all of this? it is really| difficult because grieving with fit into all of this? it is really i difficult because grieving with any loss is different per individual. there is this feeling that the later the loss you have, the it is. in fact, miscarriages defined in the uk, it is defined differently around the world, which is another problem. it is defined as before 24 weeks. after that it is defined as stillbirth. the baby is recognised with a birth and that certificate and it is counted. there are targets to reduce the number of stillbirths. with miscarriage it is not. with it not even being counted, with you not having to declare anywhere, for many women it feels like, did that even happen? this major thing has happened in my life. there is nobody really to tell unless, for most women, i proactively go out and seek

help. there are amazing support groups out there, the miscarriage association has a helpline, tommy charity has lots of help and support online and lots of other organisations, we link to them. you can go to the website and had to the action line. lots of information there. i had no idea how to grieve when i lost particularly the later two pregnancies. i have not really quite got my head around it still and i am having counselling, and that has been really helpful. i have reached out to these groups as well. you do have to be quite proactive. that is one thing i would say to people experiencing this, families experiencing this, if you are worried about your pregnancy or the pregnancy ends and you are struggling, go back to your midwife, go and investigate is different organisations and just make contact. it is not the case for everybody,

some people do not want to talk about it and they want to move forward that way, from almost everyone i have spoken to, they say just talking to someone to acknowledge it really happened, that this was a cherished life for that person that was lost, that has been invaluable to them to have that recognised. it invaluable to them to have that recognised-— invaluable to them to have that recoanised. , ., , . recognised. it is really important what ou recognised. it is really important what you are _ recognised. it is really important what you are saying. _ recognised. it is really important what you are saying. people i recognised. it is really important| what you are saying. people want recognised. it is really important i what you are saying. people want to hear more. good luck, of course. people will want to know more about your story. tulip's documentary 'miscarriage: the search for answers' is available on iplayer. time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london. i'm alison earle. teachers at a catholic school in south london are going on strike after a gay author was banned from visiting. the walk—out atjohn fisher school in croydon comes as some lgbt+ londoners say they believe it's important to talk about their experiences in schools.

isaac is a transgender man who works with charity just like us which tries to challenge stereotypes even though some believe lgbt issues have no place in education. i realised i was trans. i kind of had to do that research myself, but i thought, "god, if only i'd had something like that "at school, i could have described how i felt and not felt so othered "and outcast that whole time," because i went through a lot of depression because of that. so it's really rewarding now to be able to give that education to kids at schools, the education that i wish i'd had. pedicabs could soon need a licence to operate after new laws were announced by the government. it follows a campaign for tougher rules after complaints about them ripping off tourists and playing loud music. if the legislation is approved, drivers will need to apply to tfl for approval, and will see limits on how much they can charge forjourneys. a recruitment drive is being held at lords cricket ground to fill support posts in the nhs. it's part of a campaign to find people to work alongside doctors in everything from mental health

to children's services. so far, more than 1,500 job offers have been made at similar events across the uk. travel now, and this is how tfl services are looking right now. severe delays on the hammersmith and city line and the district. there are minor delays on tfl rail between liverpool street and shenfield. and no service on the northern line between moorgate and kennington due to upgrade work. onto the weather now with elizabeth rizzini. hello. good morning. with high pressure very much dominating the weather at the moment, then it's still looking dry, but it will be rather cloudy at times. that cloud feeding through on that north easterly wind in from the north sea. yesterday was cloudy and cool, but today quite hopeful for something a bit brighter and warmer. it's a chilly start to the morning, though, particularly for southern home counties. here we saw temperatures drop back to low single figures last night

underneath clear skies. but of course, we've got lots of sunshine here to start the day. further north, it's milder, but there's also quite a bit of cloud around this morning. that cloud should thin and break up at times throughout the day. but the best of the sunshine always the further south you are, it's set to stay dry, but we've still got a keen northeasterly wind, particularly towards eastern areas of the capital. top temperatures a little higher than yesterday's 15, maybe 16 celsius in the best of the sunshine. overnight tonight, we do the whole thing all over again. so there will be some clear spells here. temperatures will drop the lowest, otherwise cloudy, lows between 4 and 7 degrees celsius. and then tomorrow, lots of cloud around through the morning, but we should see the cloud break up into the afternoon to give us some sunshine, and with clear skies friday into saturday, possibly a touch of frost. that's it for now. i'm back with the latest from bbc london in an hour. now, though, it's back to naga and charlie. bye for now.

hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. lots to talk about. it was unexpected, unproductive. if you want to know what it means and how it can cement your place in the history books, you have to go back to celtic in the 1967 when they became immortal when they won the european cup in 1967 in lisbon, and one of five trophies they won that season including the glasgow cup, but an endless club has never won four trophies before, and liverpool have a realistic chance. —— an english club. they have taken a big step towards the champions league final as well. liverpool kept their relentless pursuit going, by taking a big step

towards the champions league final. they beat villarreal 2—0 in the first leg of their semifinal at anfield. it did take them until the start of the second half to break down their opponents' determined defence. jordan henderson's cross was deflected in by a villarreal defender, before sadio mane sealed the result just two minutes later, so it's advantage liverpool ahead of the second leg in spain next tuesday. it is intense for us to play the way that we play that it is intense for our opponent to defend against us as well. you try and fail, you try and you fail, and at one point you think, come on, it is not my day any more, we really had to stay positive in these moments and try and fail, but keep trying, in the same mindset, that is what we did, the goals we scored were outstanding. there's another big night of european action tonight. rangers and west ham are in the semi—finals of the europa league,

both against german teams. rangers will play the first leg of their semifinal, away at rb leipzig. thousands of fans have travelled to germany hoping to see a repeat of their stunning win at dortmund in a previous round. west ham are at home to eintracht frankfurt. it's the first time david moyes has managed a club in a european semifinal, and it's the first time the hammers have got this far in europe since 1976. if you want to be good, you have to start getting used to it and we have to start feeling this is where we are supposed to be. if we can replicate the form we had close to the form we had in the early part of the form we had in the early part of the season, we will be very hard to beat against anybody. it is whether we can actually get quite onto that form and get back to that level where we were. and leicester city are hoping to reach their first european final in the europa conference league. brendan rodgers' side host jose mourinho's roma in their semifinal first leg at the king power stadium, with both teams bidding, to play in the first ever final of this new tournament. now as you mentioned in your look at the front pages, it's expected

that the new captain of the england test cricket team, will be announced today, with the overwhelming favourite, being ben stokes, england's talisman all rounder for the last few years, and recently vice captain forjoe root, who resigned a fortnight ago after the test side's poor run of form. england have lost five series on the trot, and won just one of their last 17 test matches. iam sure i am sure ben stokes will be a popular choice, a talisman before he took a break from the game last year., probably not back to his best at that point but hoping to be in this summer and give england some fire. ., ~ ~ the foreign secretary, liz truss, has said russian forces must be pushed out of "the whole of ukraine" in what amounts to the clearest statement yet of the uk's objectives for the war. in a major speech last night, she said

victory for ukraine was a "strategic imperative." let's get more on those comments from the defence secretary, ben wallace. good morning. iam good morning. i am selling you heard the speech, is this a shift in terms of the uk's strategy? —— i am assuming you heard the speech. i am thinking particularly on involvement in the war happening in ukraine. idol in the war happening in ukraine. not reall . in the war happening in ukraine. iifrit really. britain alongside large parts of the international community, notjust nato, have always refused to recognise masha's invasion of 2014 into crimea and donetsk, and have been very clear thatis donetsk, and have been very clear that is why we have the minsk agreement between a number of countries, certainly russia and ukraine, that that should stop and they should effectively resolve that and move out, so nobody has recognised russia's occupation even in 2014, let alone this is now much more wider more aggressive in vision of a country, so i think that is

consistent. what is the case is that we took a view that this invasion was so egregious and such a clear invasion and an attempt at that stage to occupy the whole of ukraine that we would support notjust in words and the policy, but in military aid, and that has continued really for us in the united kingdom, one of the first to do so, but now we have nearly 40 countries doing that in support, and our type of supplies change depending on what russia does, and also in response to behaviour by russia, so for example when russia started indiscriminately bombing civilian areas, i took the decision a few weeks ago that it was unacceptable, and that we would supply high velocity at short missiles to make it much harderfor them to do that, and that is what has passed, it is now much harder for them to use their air force in the way they wish, and i think it is very important to send a message to

vladimir putin that he will get an estimation of certain behaviours when he behaves like he does, and i think it is always calibrated to ensure it does not broaden the conflict, was calculated to make sure we are viewed as being defenders of ukraine as we have a right under the un, and as ukraine has, but that is the main direction of travel, and there we have nearly 40 countries doing it. you of travel, and there we have nearly 40 countries doing it.— 40 countries doing it. you are sa inc 40 countries doing it. you are saying you — 40 countries doing it. you are saying you do _ 40 countries doing it. you are saying you do not _ 40 countries doing it. you are saying you do not want i 40 countries doing it. you are saying you do not want to i 40 countries doing it. you are i saying you do not want to escalate in case you broaden the conflict, but the fact is, if there is not an escalation, more you died. so we escalate physically _ escalation, more you died. so we escalate physically within - escalation, more you died. so we escalate physically within the i escalate physically within the borders of ukraine, i think my point is you have seen the sabre rattling and the threats from vladimir putin about effectively broadening the conflict, clearly something you would like to do, he is in a whole, and i think it definitely realises that one of the ways he thinks he can get out of it is to pull people into it. we do not know the details yet, it is only speculation, but we

saw some attacks in moldova yesterday, we do not know where that came from. we have seen threats of false flags outside ukraine, all part of one of his lashings out, but also a desperate effort to move people off the main subject, which is his failure in ukraine. the people off the main sub'ect, which is his failure in ukraine. the armed forces minister— is his failure in ukraine. the armed forces minister has _ is his failure in ukraine. the armed forces minister has said _ is his failure in ukraine. the armed forces minister has said it - is his failure in ukraine. the armed forces minister has said it is i is his failure in ukraine. the armed forces minister has said it is fine i forces minister has said it is fine for you drink to use weapons donated by the uk, and being very specific with my language, to target russia directly, do you agree with that? first of all, under un law, a country that is being attacked in the way ukraine has has a right command in international law, to defend itself. it is also under international law the right of that country to seek whether it is an illegal invasion or attack, to seek other countries to contest defence, it is called mutual self defence. the united kingdom on so many of those 40 countries is using that law

to effectively provide aid to ukraine. how ukraine uses the weapon systems it has is governed by international law, geneva convention, and all the rules of law. that is something we feel very strongly about, but if it does so, it is perfectly right, you trim, to use those weapons to defend itself, and part of defending itself into this type of invasion is obviously where ukraine will go after the supply lines of the russian army, because without food, fuel and ammunition, it grows to a halt, the army can no longer continue its invasion. i do not know any evidence of the attacks that we have seen all the explosions we have seen in russia have actually come from ukraine state, but if ukraine did choose to target the logistics infrastructure for the rationale, that would be legitimate under international law, and if they did it, they currently don't have british weapons that could do that,

so it is unlikely that it is our weapons, but if they did it, it is legitimate and in line with international law.- legitimate and in line with international law. ., , ., international law. could they have british weapons _ international law. could they have british weapons to _ international law. could they have british weapons to enable - international law. could they have british weapons to enable them . international law. could they have | british weapons to enable them to international law. could they have i british weapons to enable them to do that? we british weapons to enable them to do that? ~ ., �* british weapons to enable them to do that? . ., �* ., , ., british weapons to enable them to do that? q ._ ., ._ that? we don't really have many long-range _ that? we don't really have many long-range weapons _ that? we don't really have many long-range weapons that - that? we don't really have many long-range weapons that are i long—range weapons that are delivered in the way their army does. there army, the russian army, will deliver it from mobile launchers delivering missiles from long range. the other way, we would deliver long—range munitions from the air, or indeed from stumbling to a tomahawk cruise missiles. we are not doing that, we are very unlikely to anyone simply because of the technology and also the scarcity we have of those capabilities, it is very unlikely, but it is certainly the case that britain is assisting in finding artillery from ukraine which is is mainly using in ukraine on russian forces.— on russian forces. right. i want to talk to you — on russian forces. right. i want to talk to you about _ on russian forces. right. i want to talk to you about an _ on russian forces. right. i want to talk to you about an issue - on russian forces. right. i want to talk to you about an issue you i on russian forces. right. i want to talk to you about an issue you will| talk to you about an issue you will be aware of been discussed, the conservative party chief whip is looking into allegations that an mp,

conservative mp, watched pornography whilst in the house of commons. do you know if this is true, do you know who that was? the you know if this is true, do you know who that was? the answer is no to both questions, _ know who that was? the answer is no to both questions, i _ know who that was? the answer is no to both questions, i do _ know who that was? the answer is no to both questions, i do not _ know who that was? the answer is no to both questions, i do not know- know who that was? the answer is no to both questions, i do not know if. to both questions, i do not know if it is true of which i think is whether chief whip is having an investigation, and i don't know who the person in question is, but i do know that people should not be sitting on their phones in their workplace looking at pornography, i think that is wrong, they should bearin think that is wrong, they should bear in mind the effect they have on the people sitting next to them, men or women, the people sitting next to them, men orwomen, i the people sitting next to them, men or women, i think it is unacceptable practice. people have either lost theirjob or been dismissed or been penalised as a result of similar behaviour in the past.- penalised as a result of similar behaviour in the past. does it shock ou that behaviour in the past. does it shock you that this — behaviour in the past. does it shock you that this has _ behaviour in the past. does it shock you that this has happened? - behaviour in the past. does it shock you that this has happened? does l behaviour in the past. does it shockj you that this has happened? does it shock me? i — you that this has happened? does it shock me? i am _ you that this has happened? does it shock me? i am afraid _ you that this has happened? does it shock me? i am afraid i _ you that this has happened? does it shock me? i am afraid i have i you that this has happened? does it shock me? i am afraid i have done i shock me? i am afraid i have done 15, 17 years shock me? i am afraid i have done 15,17 years in shock me? i am afraid i have done 15, 17 years in the house of commons, we have seen everything,

john prescott when he was dead a prime minister, he had that legendary christmas party, i have seen things over decades that i am afraid no longer shock me, but i think it shows the problem in the house of commons is ultimately the overall culture of long hours, bars, and people sometimes under pressure, and people sometimes under pressure, and after all of that, that can create a toxic mix that leads to all sorts of things. this is not a unique problem, as you know, you have covered over the years, stories of fights in bars, inappropriate behaviour towards women physically, all sorts of things going on in offices in the house of commons. ido offices in the house of commons. do they still go on? i suppose the question i really want to ask, you mentioned john prescott, and in fairness or balance we of course had matt hancock conducting an affair with a colleague in his office, is parliament a misogynistic and sexist workplace? i parliament a misogynistic and sexist worklace? ., �* ~' parliament a misogynistic and sexist worklace? ., �* ~ ., workplace? i don't think i would categorise _ workplace? i don't think i would categorise it... _

workplace? i don't think i would categorise it... doesn't - workplace? i don't think i would categorise it... doesn't have i categorise it... doesn't have sexists in it? yes. doesn't have the opposite? yes. does it have successful people who are just living with today's values in a good way? absolutely. it does not mean that institutional lawyers, i think it has institutionally got a challenge about a place that has long hours, bars, all sorts of things mixing, and a number of people away from home, and often people away from home, and often people with all sorts of challenges in their own life. i5 people with all sorts of challenges in their own life. is it people with all sorts of challenges in their own life.— in their own life. is it a safe lace in their own life. is it a safe place for — in their own life. is it a safe place for female _ in their own life. is it a safe place for female mps? i in their own life. is it a safe| place for female mps? yes, in their own life. is it a safe i place for female mps? yes, it is a safe place — place for female mps? yes, it is a safe place for— place for female mps? yes, it is a safe place for female _ place for female mps? yes, it is a safe place for female mps - place for female mps? yes, it is a safe place for female mps to - place for female mps? yes, it is a | safe place for female mps to work. place for female mps? yes, it is a i safe place for female mps to work. i have seen all sorts of problems in my time, notjust relating to female mps, men as well. people have covered stories of of male inappropriate behaviour towards other men on the terrace of the house of commons, i think that was about two or three years ago, these things are happening too much... absolutely, it is happening too much, you said you have witnessed

this over 17 years, i think you said, why hasn't it changed? it is definitely better. _ said, why hasn't it changed? it is definitely better. but _ said, why hasn't it changed? it is definitely better. but it _ said, why hasn't it changed? it is definitely better. but it still- definitely better. but it still happens? _ definitely better. but it still happens? i _ definitely better. but it still happens? i think— definitely better. but it still happens? i think it - definitely better. but it still happens? i think it does . definitely better. but it still| happens? i think it does still ha en, happens? i think it does still happen. but _ happens? i think it does still happen. but i _ happens? i think it does still happen, but i did _ happens? i think it does still happen, but i did is - happens? i think it does still happen, but i did is a - happens? i think it does still happen, but i did is a very i happens? i think it does still. happen, but i did is a very large organisation.— happen, but i did is a very large oruanisation. . , ., ., . , organisation. that is not an excuse, ou know organisation. that is not an excuse, you know it — organisation. that is not an excuse, you know it isn't. _ organisation. that is not an excuse, you know it isn't. i— organisation. that is not an excuse, you know it isn't. i do _ organisation. that is not an excuse, you know it isn't. i do not _ organisation. that is not an excuse, you know it isn't. i do not say - you know it isn't. i do not say excuse. _ you know it isn't. i do not say excuse. you _ you know it isn't. i do not say excuse, you said, _ you know it isn't. i do not say excuse, you said, does - you know it isn't. i do not say excuse, you said, does it - you know it isn't. i do not say excuse, you said, does it still happen? excuse, you said, does it still ha--en? excuse, you said, does it still ha en? , ., , , happen? 0k, why does it still ha--en? happen? 0k, why does it still happen? why _ happen? 0k, why does it still happen? why is _ happen? 0k, why does it still happen? why is it _ happen? 0k, why does it still happen? why is it still- happen? 0k, why does it still - happen? why is it still acceptable? can you tell me that at the bbc were thousands of employees, inappropriate behaviour doesn't happen? inappropriate behaviour doesn't ha--en? . inappropriate behaviour doesn't hauen? ., �* inappropriate behaviour doesn't ha--en? w .. �* i. inappropriate behaviour doesn't hauen? ., ., happen? no, i can't tell you that. i am talking — happen? no, i can't tell you that. i am talking about _ happen? no, i can't tell you that. i am talking about those _ happen? no, i can't tell you that. i am talking about those who - happen? no, i can't tell you that. i am talking about those who are . am talking about those who are elected by us to represent this country. we are talking about westminster as a workplace. there is an mp who is accused don't alleged to have watched pornography in the house of commons. find to have watched pornography in the house of commons.— to have watched pornography in the house of commons. and i have said it is unacceptable. _ house of commons. and i have said it is unacceptable. have _ house of commons. and i have said it is unacceptable. have you _ house of commons. and i have said it is unacceptable. have you ever- house of commons. and i have said it is unacceptable. have you ever had i is unacceptable. have you ever had to re ort is unacceptable. have you ever had to report summary _ is unacceptable. have you ever had to report summary for— is unacceptable. have you ever had| to report summary for inappropriate behaviour will stand up against inappropriate behaviour? i did once re ort inappropriate behaviour? i did once report summary — inappropriate behaviour? i did once report summary for _ inappropriate behaviour? i did once report summary for racist - inappropriate behaviour? i did once. report summary for racist behaviour, many years ago, there was not a proper procedure, but i do maybe drawing the attention of the whips to the behaviour of something that

was racist. i have seen behaviour on all sides, was racist. i have seen behaviour on allsides, if was racist. i have seen behaviour on all sides, if you remember not so long ago as defence secretary, i had to get involved in a number of members of parliament from cross parties went to gibraltar and some of them were reported to be politically drunk when they got off the plane —— paralytic. it was our soldiers who had to deal with those mps, they were not conservative mps, but have i seen cases of mps of all parties behaving acceptably? yes, i have. it is not excusable and i do not say it is. the speaker is very good at trying to fix this culture, it is a very important place. it is ljy it is a very important place. it is by billing in the workplace is also very important to be dealt with, because when people are being bullied, they will often take that pressure out by going to the bar, junking too much, or being deeply unhappy or becoming more vulnerable, so i think there are lots of issues that need to be dealt with. it is a cultural thing. that need to be dealt with. it is a culturalthing. it that need to be dealt with. it is a cultural thing. it is definitely better than it was when i started in 2005, i remember one thing tony

blair did quite well as he basically finished the day at ten o'clock at night. before then, the commons would sit until 2.00 or 3.00 in the morning, people sitting in bars and it was a big alcoholic problem for many years. it is getting better but the behaviour you have highlighted of the individual watching pawn on the phone, that is unacceptable. —— watching porn. if the phone, that is unacceptable. -- watching porn-— watching porn. if they are found to have done that, _ watching porn. if they are found to have done that, should _ watching porn. if they are found to have done that, should that - watching porn. if they are found to | have done that, should that person be sacked? if have done that, should that person be sacked? . , ,., ., , have done that, should that person be sacked? . , ., , ., ~ be sacked? if that person has an mp, it is the electorate _ be sacked? if that person has an mp, it is the electorate to _ be sacked? if that person has an mp, it is the electorate to make _ be sacked? if that person has an mp, it is the electorate to make the - it is the electorate to make the decision in their constituency, it is not for us to fire mps.- is not for us to fire mps. expel from the _ is not for us to fire mps. expel from the conservative - is not for us to fire mps. expel from the conservative party? i is not for us to fire mps. expel - from the conservative party? they could lose the _ from the conservative party? they could lose the grip, _ from the conservative party? they could lose the grip, that _ from the conservative party? ila: could lose the grip, that is from the conservative party? ire: could lose the grip, that is one thing that could happen, they could no longer belong to the conservative party. there are a number of mps in the house of commons and have lost people up for a range of issues, that usually needs that cannot be reselected as an mp. if they are a government minister, they could lose

theirjob as a minister. i think it would be for the house authorities to define what is and appropriate level of punishment for that type of behaviour, but if it is found to be proved, and i have no doubt from the allegations that it could be in doubt, the independent investigation will get to the bottom of it, at the end of that process, action will be taken, i hope. end of that process, action will be taken. i hope-— end of that process, action will be taken, i hope. ben wallace, defence secreta , taken, i hope. ben wallace, defence secretary, thank _ taken, i hope. ben wallace, defence secretary, thank you _ taken, i hope. ben wallace, defence secretary, thank you very _ taken, i hope. ben wallace, defence secretary, thank you very much - taken, i hope. ben wallace, defence secretary, thank you very much for l secretary, thank you very much for your time with us on bbc breakfast this morning. your time with us on bbc breakfast this morning-— here's carol with a look at this morning's weather. we were talking yesterday about how a dry april has been, although northern scotland in the first two weeks of april so the last two weeks of rain, in the last few weeks there has not really been any, and an the last 2a of us, we have seen wildfires across: lochalsh, as you

can see from this picture here. quite a scary prospect —— kyle of lochalsh. northern ireland will see some of that as well as we head into the weekend. if ross across parts of scotland, northern england and also northern ireland in particular, some of your stepping out, bear that in mind. a lot of low cloud, some dampness coming out of that cloud across eastern counties in england come into the midlands, and after the summit starred in the west, seeing a little bit more cloud bubble up, turning the sunshine hazy. also a few showers cutting across the outer hebrides, northern scotland, and also the northern isles. come south into the sunshine, for northern ireland and northern england, again hazy sunshine for you this afternoon, thick cloud in eastern coastal counties, including midlands some brightness or some sunshine across south—east england, south—west england, and south wales. but in the south—west, you could catch the odd shower, and a noticeable breeze winds again, with an onshore flow across eastern

coastal counties, it will feel quite chilly today. through this evening and overnight, hanging on this cloud, but elsewhere showers will fade, travel breaks, and under clear skies the temperature will fall away winds again. cold enough for a touch of frost across northern ireland, northern england and parts of southern scotland. , bright sinks a little bit further south, into be south—east quarter, again you could catch the odd shower out of that. still quite breezy, but more sunshine for the rest of us, although having said that there could be one or two showers and eastern scotland and north—east england. temperatures to models ranging from nine in the north to about 16 or 17 celsius as we travel further south. about 16 or 17 celsius as we travel furthersouth. —— about 16 or 17 celsius as we travel further south. —— temperatures tomorrow ranging. carol, i wonder if you want tojoin in tomorrow ranging. carol, i wonder if you want to join in the conversation between charlie and marc. we you want to join in the conversation between charlie and marc.- between charlie and marc. we are talkin: between charlie and marc. we are talking about _ between charlie and marc. we are talking about travel _ between charlie and marc. we are talking about travel passes - between charlie and marc. we are talking about travel passes we -

between charlie and marc. we are talking about travel passes we are both eligible for, the older person's travel pass. did both eligible for, the older person's travel pass. did not know if that would _ person's travel pass. did not know if that would interest _ person's travel pass. did not know if that would interest you, - person's travel pass. did not know if that would interest you, carol. l person's travel pass. did not know if that would interest you, carol. i | if that would interest you, carol. i do not think carol is eligible yet. charlie was just saying he is going to get his. it's fantastic, charlie. is it good? i to get his. it's fantastic, charlie. is it good?— to get his. it's fantastic, charlie. is it aood? , , ., is it good? i use it everywhere, on the bus, is it good? i use it everywhere, on the bus. the _ is it good? i use it everywhere, on the bus, the tube, _ is it good? i use it everywhere, on the bus, the tube, the _ is it good? i use it everywhere, on the bus, the tube, the rain, - is it good? i use it everywhere, on the bus, the tube, the rain, and i is it good? i use it everywhere, on | the bus, the tube, the rain, and the updated when you're 65, so i am due for an updated one.— for an updated one. those are the kind of things _ for an updated one. those are the kind of things we _ for an updated one. those are the kind of things we talk _ for an updated one. those are the kind of things we talk about. - for an updated one. those are thej kind of things we talk about. carol will always let you know what the weather is like if you need to get a bus or a tube. thank you, carol. one of the great thing about the masks as i can go anywhere. do --eole masks as i can go anywhere. do people recognise you? i- masks as i can go anywhere. do people recognise you? i do - masks as i can go anywhere. do people recognise you? i do get| people recognise you? i do get recognised _ people recognise you? i do get recognised all _ people recognise you? i do get recognised all the _ people recognise you? i do get recognised all the time, - people recognise you? i do get recognised all the time, but i l people recognise you? i do get i recognised all the time, but ijust cover up with a baseball cap and a facemask, so nobody recognises me.

what is the convention? do people sing one of your songs to you? then;r sing one of your songs to you? they are usually — sing one of your songs to you? they are usually very _ sing one of your songs to you? they are usually very nice, _ sing one of your songs to you? they are usually very nice, they - sing one of your songs to you? iuerg are usually very nice, they come sing one of your songs to you? iueg are usually very nice, they come up, because everybody likes tainted love, they always say that, people are very nice, i have never had anyone come up and be nasty. do they do that, say hello and wave goodbye? cab drivers always say, speak to my second act, sing a bit down the phone. —— speak to my mrs. if you argue and say, i am not doing that, it is more stressful, so it is best just to do it. it is more stressful, so it is best just to do it— just to do it. and people love it. for anyone _ just to do it. and people love it. for anyone who _ just to do it. and people love it. for anyone who does _ just to do it. and people love it. for anyone who does not - just to do it. and people love it. for anyone who does not know. just to do it. and people love it. i for anyone who does not know what just to do it. and people love it. - for anyone who does not know what we are talking about, how could you not? we will give you a trip down memory rain festival.

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new song with the pet sharp boys, out of that come about? i new song with the pet sharp boys, out of that come about?— out of that come about? i never exected out of that come about? i never expected it _ out of that come about? i never expected it to — out of that come about? i never expected it to happen, - out of that come about? i never expected it to happen, pet i out of that come about? i never| expected it to happen, pet sharp boys adults said they found some inspiration from soft sell, we performed all of that album before christmas. i was on holiday, and my manager came to me and said, was do you think of this? i said, this is purple zone, isn't it? but it sounds a bit like the pet sharp boys. —— pet shop boys. it a bit like the pet sharp boys. -- pet shop ltoys-— pet shop boys. it would have been the stuff of — pet shop boys. it would have been the stuff of dreams _ pet shop boys. it would have been the stuff of dreams back _ pet shop boys. it would have been the stuff of dreams back in - pet shop boys. it would have been the stuff of dreams back in the i pet shop boys. it would have been| the stuff of dreams back in the day. a p0p the stuff of dreams back in the day. a pop moment, a lovely pop moment, because we both had this heritage.

we have finally come together to make a record, it has set fire and people love it. is make a record, it has set fire and people love it— make a record, it has set fire and people love it. is there anyone else on the list of _ people love it. is there anyone else on the list of collaborations - people love it. is there anyone else on the list of collaborations you i on the list of collaborations you have always thought... that on the list of collaborations you have always thought. . .- on the list of collaborations you have always thought... that is a thing about _ have always thought... that is a thing about collaborations, i have always thought... that is a thing about collaborations, if i have always thought... that is a | thing about collaborations, if you plan them too much, they kind of full through and they never happen. the best collaborations are the ones that happen so quickly and you never expected, and i never expected this, it was a completely lovely surprise to me. neiland it was a completely lovely surprise to me. neil and chris are lovely, we did a video together, and never had much of a chance to talk to them over the years properly. we went out for dinner together, found we have lots to talk about, lots in common, so ijust lots to talk about, lots in common, so i just absolutely love them lots to talk about, lots in common, so ijust absolutely love them and i think they are great. i so ijust absolutely love them and i think they are great.— think they are great. i bent over the years. _ think they are great. i bent over the years. you _ think they are great. i bent over the years, you must _ think they are great. i bent over the years, you must have... i think they are great. i bent over| the years, you must have... you think they are great. i bent over i the years, you must have... you are saying about those songs, these are the iconic songs, you must have met lots of people, famous people as well, who when they first met yougov, i love that song. it’s

well, who when they first met yougov, i love that song. it's nice, i am always _ yougov, i love that song. it's nice, i am always very — yougov, i love that song. it's nice, i am always very starstruck - yougov, i love that song. it's nice, i am always very starstruck by i i am always very starstruck by people, ifeel very i am always very starstruck by people, i feel very shy of meeting stars and things, people come up to me and say, i love that song and i love what you do, but i'm also quite shy about it, actually. people who you meet in music. i almost thought i never meet a lot of my heroes because i have always avoided trying to meet a lot of my heroes because i like to be a fan. somebody who buys records and loves records. so i was i never met david bowie properly so i never met david bowie properly so i could still be a fan, and i hope they can still be fans of mine and i haven't disappointed them.- haven't disappointed them. during lockdown, tainted _ haven't disappointed them. during lockdown, tainted love _ haven't disappointed them. during lockdown, tainted love went i haven't disappointed them. during lockdown, tainted love went kind| haven't disappointed them. during i lockdown, tainted love went kind of crazy on tiktok. i lockdown, tainted love went kind of crazy on tiktok-_ crazy on tiktok. i don't really know what tiktok _ crazy on tiktok. i don't really know what tiktok is, _ crazy on tiktok. i don't really know what tiktok is, i _ crazy on tiktok. i don't really know what tiktok is, i know _ crazy on tiktok. i don't really know what tiktok is, i know that - crazy on tiktok. i don't really know what tiktok is, i know that sounds | what tiktok is, i know that sounds awful, so people are telling me it has gone viral on tiktok, and i am

sane, great, brilliant! the whole lockdown period was strange because i wrote the whole album through lockdown and recorded all my vocals for the new album through lockdown, so it really was a strange tent that reflected on a lot of the themes on the album, so i'm actually living two years ago, the album was delayed, my summer tour was cancelled three times because of everything, and it is now happening in october because i had covid last time that i had to cancel it, so i'm still living two years ago and doing solo things and i should be doing soft cell things and vice versa. i suppose in a way the tiktok thing will have maybe drawn a new audience to some of your stuff. i will have maybe drawn a new audience to some of your stuff.— to some of your stuff. i think it's dead and i'm _ to some of your stuff. i think it's dead and i'm always _ to some of your stuff. i think it's dead and i'm always curious i to some of your stuff. i think it's i dead and i'm always curious about these things, it is lovely when these things, it is lovely when these things, it is lovely when these things happen, i am never a crazy social media person, relate,

stay away from twitter, which is the best thing. did stay away from twitter, which is the best thin. , ,, ., stay away from twitter, which is the best thin. , _, ., ., stay away from twitter, which is the best thing-_ i i best thing. did you ever do that? i sta awa best thing. did you ever do that? i stay away from — best thing. did you ever do that? i stay away from it. _ best thing. did you ever do that? i stay away from it. i _ best thing. did you ever do that? i stay away from it. i don't - best thing. did you ever do that? i stay away from it. i don't even i best thing. did you ever do that? i i stay away from it. i don't even know my passport mac password now. it is not a bad thing. new _ my passport mac password now. it is not a bad thing. new record - my passport mac password now. it is not a bad thing. new record out, i not a bad thing. new record out, that's it. not a bad thing. new record out, that's it- -- _ not a bad thing. new record out, that's it- -- l— not a bad thing. new record out, that's it. -- | don't— not a bad thing. new record out, that's it. -- i don't even - not a bad thing. new record out, that's it. -- i don't even know i not a bad thing. new record out, | that's it. -- i don't even know my that's it. —— i don't even know my password now. but my instagram is my personal diary and i do that myself, i really like it. it is personal diary and i do that myself, i really like it.— i really like it. it is seen as the ha ier i really like it. it is seen as the happier social _ i really like it. it is seen as the happier social media. - i really like it. it is seen as the happier social media. there i i really like it. it is seen as the i happier social media. there was a debate this morning, how do you say this name —— your name? al—mond, not ar—mond. you see the l, but al—mond, not ar—mond. i al-mond, not ar-mond. you see the l, but al-mond, not ar-mond._ but al-mond, not ar-mond. i said al-mond. — but al-mond, not ar-mond. i said

al-mond. and _ but al-mond, not ar-mond. i said al-mond, and charlie _ but al-mond, not ar-mond. i said al-mond, and charlie said - but al—mond, not ar—mond. i said al—mond, and charlie said all—mond. i think naga wins. it is al-mond, and charlie said all-mond. i think naga wins.— i think naga wins. it is your name, whatever you _ i think naga wins. it is your name, whatever you say _ i think naga wins. it is your name, whatever you say goes. _ i think naga wins. it is your name, whatever you say goes. i - i think naga wins. it is your name, whatever you say goes. i have i i think naga wins. it is your name, whatever you say goes. i have a i i think naga wins. it is your name, l whatever you say goes. i have a new record out. — whatever you say goes. i have a new record out, happiness _ whatever you say goes. i have a new record out, happiness not _ whatever you say goes. i have a new record out, happiness not included, j record out, happiness not included, out on the 6th of may. my solo tour will be on my website, all the new dates for october, and you can now go back to talking about almond. just making me hungry now. i have been hurt so _ just making me hungry now. i have been hurt so many _ just making me hungry now. i have been hurt so many times _ just making me hungry now. i have been hurt so many times now i just making me hungry now. i have been hurt so many times now that| just making me hungry now. i have| been hurt so many times now that i kind of feel at home sitting on the sofa. , ., ., ., | kind of feel at home sitting on the sofa-_ i love - sofa. glad to hear it. i love the lirrhtin , sofa. glad to hear it. i love the lighting. it _ sofa. glad to hear it. i love the lighting. it is — sofa. glad to hear it. i love the lighting, it is or _ sofa. glad to hear it. i love the lighting, it is or is _ sofa. glad to hear it. i love the lighting, it is or is fantastic. it is on that side. give us a moment, headlines are coming out.

good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today... russian forces must be "pushed out of the whole of ukraine," according to the foreign secretary. liz truss calls on the west to use its strength to deter vladimir putin. ukraine says more humanitarian help is needed as the head of the united nations, antonio guterres, arrives in kyiv for talks with president zelensky.

more fears about household energy bills. sharp moves in the wholesale gas price as russia cuts off supplies to two european countries. i'll explain how it could affect households and businesses here. aha! north norfolk�*s finest broadcaster is back on the road. steve coogan is here to talk about his most famous creation, alan partridge. about his most famous good about his most famous morning. a chilly start to ti day good morning. a chilly start to the day once again with some frost around. still in eastern and areas. hazy sunshine elsewhere. just the risk of an isolated shower. all the details later in the programme. it's thursday, the 28th of april. our main story. the foreign secretary, liz truss, has said russian forces must be pushed out of "the whole of ukraine," if the world is to enter a new era of peace and security. in a speech last night,

she said victory for ukraine was a "strategic imperative" and that the conflict needed to be a "catalyst for wider change." the russian president vladimir putin has warned that countries intervening in ukraine will face what he called "lightning—fast" military retaliation, as andrew plant reports. the aftermath of a missile attack in the city of kharkiv in northern ukraine. at least one person is reported to have been killed here. the invasion has reduced much of this city to rubble. translation: it's scary. it's so painful. when it's dark, we're in fear. when there was a shooting, and when the evening comes, it's indescribable. unbearable. in a speech, the uk foreign secretary, liz truss, called for western countries to push russian forces out of ukraine. some argue that we shouldn't provide heavy weapons for fear of provoking something worse.

but my view is that inaction would be the greatest provocation. this is a time for courage, not for caution. now president putin has sent a message to the west, warning ukraine's allies against further interference. translation: if anyone from the outside intends to interfere in what's happening, then they should know this. if they create threats for us, threats of a strategic nature, our retaliation, our counter strike will be instantaneous. in the southern port city of mariupol, this steel plant, surrounded by russian forces, the last stronghold of ukrainian fighters here, their commander appealing for a mass evacuation, saying alongside 600 wounded soldiers are civilians, including children inside. translation: today my appeal is apply the extraction _

procedure to us. the wounded will die and those who are alive will fall in the battle. civilians will die together with us. very, very many people have died in the city. the city has been wiped off the face of the earth. after meeting president putin earlier this week, today, the un secretary general, antonio guterres, will meet ukraine's president zelensky. the focus, he says, on securing humanitarian corridors to try to evacuate the thousands of civilians still caught in the fighting. andrew plant, bbc news. let's get the latest now from our correspondent, joe inwood, in kyiv. just reflect for a moment on the comments from liz truss. russian forces must be forced out of the whole of ukraine.—

whole of ukraine. they are very interesting- _ whole of ukraine. they are very interesting. anyway _ whole of ukraine. they are very interesting. anyway what i whole of ukraine. they are very interesting. anyway what she . whole of ukraine. they are very interesting. anyway what she is doing is agreeing with the stated aims of the ukrainian government, that all of this country, including the bit in the east, the donbas and the bit in the east, the donbas and the crimea, the peninsular that has been held since 2014, it should all been held since 2014, it should all be held by ukraine. what really matters is is the escalation of rhetoric matched by an escalation of action. they are pretty much all in with equipment supplied to this country. is he talking about getting involved on the ground? i think so. we are talking about a reiteration of support already offered to ukraine. ,, . ., , , ., of support already offered to ukraine. ,, . , ., ., ukraine. the un secretary general of b in k iv ukraine. the un secretary general of b in kyiv for— ukraine. the un secretary general of b in kyiv for the _ ukraine. the un secretary general of b in kyiv for the meeting _ ukraine. the un secretary general of b in kyiv for the meeting with - ukraine. the un secretary general of b in kyiv for the meeting with the i b in kyiv for the meeting with the president. tell us what we know about the talks. == president. tell us what we know about the talks.— president. tell us what we know about the talks. -- will be in kyiv. we are not — about the talks. -- will be in kyiv. we are not expecting _ about the talks. -- will be in kyiv. we are not expecting an _ about the talks. -- will be in kyiv. we are not expecting an outbreak| about the talks. -- will be in kyiv. l we are not expecting an outbreak of peace to come from this, the sides

are too far apart. we are looking at are too far apart. we are looking at a humanitarian corridor being negotiated, particularly in mariupol, for the people stuck in a steel plant. there are a number of civilians. it is said president putin has agreed for a humanitarian corridorfor them. are we putin has agreed for a humanitarian corridor for them. are we talking just about civilians or the fighters that are there as well? for president zelensky, if the last defenders of mariupol are killed, that will be a red line for him and all negotiations will be of. we are looking at whether antonia gutierrez can negotiate something acceptable to both sides and that is not something that will be easy. —— the secretary—general can negotiate. the conservative party has asked for an independent investigation to be launched into claims that one of its mps was seen watching pornography on his phone in the house of commons. it's understood that concerns were raised by a minister at a meeting of tory mps on tuesday.

in a separate incident, a female welsh mp has told the bbc about sexist comments allegedly made to her by a member of the labour front bench. our chief political correspondent, adam fleming, joins us now. morning, and m. the culture of parliament, we spoke tojohn ashworth from the labour party. he says he does not know the welsh mp these allegations had been made against and we spoke to the people culture and parliament and he says he does not know who the tory mp is the accusations have been made against. it the accusations have been made aaainst. , ., ., ~ against. it is another week in westminster _ against. it is another week in westminster where - against. it is another week in westminster where a - against. it is another week in westminster where a few i against. it is another week in i westminster where a few incidents are making everyone do soul—searching about how the whole system and the whole place works. in terms of the claim about a male conservative mp watching inappropriate material on their phone while at work, the conservative party has asked the independent complaints and grievances came to look at that. they will only do that if one of the mps who witnessed it comes forward and makes an official complaint. if

that investigation takes place, it will be shrouded in secrecy and could take a long time, prompting some critics of the government to say, hang on, isn't it a very bureaucratic solution to a problem that can be sold quite quickly politically by taking action and speaking to the person in question? ben wallace the defence secretary said he was not surprised this had happened because there was a bit of a culture problem in the workplace. i have seen things that no longer shock_ i have seen things that no longer shock me — i have seen things that no longer shock me. the problem is the overall culture _ shock me. the problem is the overall culture of— shock me. the problem is the overall culture of long hours, bars, and people — culture of long hours, bars, and people sometimes under pressure and after all_ people sometimes under pressure and after all of— people sometimes under pressure and after all of that, that can create a toxic _ after all of that, that can create a toxic mix— after all of that, that can create a toxic mix that leads to all sorts of things _ toxic mix that leads to all sorts of things this— toxic mix that leads to all sorts of things. this is not a unique problem _ things. this is not a unique problem-— things. this is not a unique roblem. ., . ., , things. this is not a unique roblem. .. . ., , ., problem. the other claim they are re ”ortin problem. the other claim they are reporting this _ problem. the other claim they are reporting this morning _ problem. the other claim they are reporting this morning is - problem. the other claim they are reporting this morning is that i problem. the other claim they are reporting this morning is that a i reporting this morning is that a female welsh mp, who we are not naming, says she was told by an

unnamed member of the shadow cabinet some sexually charged comments that he made. labour says they want people to feel they can come forward and if they do there would be an investigation. jonathan ashworth was explaining how sometimes people can find that quite difficult. our culture should be such that people feel comfortable and confident giving more details. i don't want to blame the person making the complaints because often the culture in that place is so bullying, is so misogynist, it's understandable that people would feel intimidated and not coming forward and we have to deal with that.

coming forward and we have to deal vt cloud it. coming forward and we have to deal vt cloud which has been stubborn cloud which has been plaguing parts of the east coast of england and around the midlands. on the satellite picture there is still evidence of that. the sunshine is fairly hazy. some of us have blue skies to start the day. this cloud is thick enough for the odd spot of rain. some of it could drift west. it could produce the odd shower in south—west england and also across the north of scotland. an noticeable breeze in the south and an onshore breeze in the south and an onshore breeze along the nailsea coastline means it could feel rather chilly. in some places we went into double figures. —— north sea coastline. showers will fade and we will see clear skies developed. will mean the temperature will fall away as well, low enough a touch of frost. here is where we will start with some sunshine tomorrow. you can see how

the cloud is continuing to sink southwards into the south—eastern quarter, picking up for the odd spot of rain is still quite breezy. for the rest of us more sunshine than today. one or two showers in the north and the north of scotland, possibly the north of england as well. some rain in the forecast coming in at the weekend for parts of scotland and northern ireland. thank you so much. former rugby union player steve thompson was once england's most capped hooker. he helped bring the team to world cup victory in 2003. but these memories are now something he struggles to recall, as he lives with early—onset dementia. steve was diagnosed in 2020, and has now written a book about how his life has changed. steve joins us now. very good morning to you. just so people can understand how difficult this is for you, wejust

people can understand how difficult this is for you, we just showed a picture of the moment with you winning the rugby world cup, ok. when you look at that image about what goes through your head? i don't associate with _ what goes through your head? i don't associate with me _ what goes through your head? i don't associate with me till. it _ what goes through your head? i don't associate with me till. it looks i associate with me till. it looks like me, it has the same bad ears, as she pointed out earlier. there is no recollection of that whatsoever. it is like it is a picture of someone else.— it is like it is a picture of someone else. ., , ., ., someone else. people have got me t in: to someone else. people have got me trying to watch _ someone else. people have got me trying to watch the _ someone else. people have got me trying to watch the world _ someone else. people have got me trying to watch the world cup i someone else. people have got me trying to watch the world cup and l trying to watch the world cup and over again and it is like i am watching england nowadays and there is someone that looks like me on the pitch. is someone that looks like me on the itch. ~ . , �* is someone that looks like me on the itch. ~ ., �* ., is someone that looks like me on the itch. ~ �* ., is someone that looks like me on the itch. ~ ., ., , is someone that looks like me on the itch. ~ �* ., ., , ., pitch. wasn't how you realise that ou are pitch. wasn't how you realise that you are affected _ pitch. wasn't how you realise that you are affected by _ pitch. wasn't how you realise that you are affected by dementia, i pitch. wasn't how you realise that you are affected by dementia, it i pitch. wasn't how you realise that i you are affected by dementia, it was completely different industry. a plumber. i think it was during coronavirus, you are in a bubble and decided to rewatch the rugby world cup with the games, and you are realising none of it was clocking in

with you, there was no emotion with it. i with you, there was no emotion with it. ., , with you, there was no emotion with it. . , , ., ., with you, there was no emotion with it. i was sharing a house with a lad we were working _ it. i was sharing a house with a lad we were working with. _ it. i was sharing a house with a lad we were working with. he - it. i was sharing a house with a lad we were working with. he said, i it. i was sharing a house with a lad l we were working with. he said, you must remember this. i can't even remember being there. you

must remember this. i can't even remember being the with ou must remember this. i can't even remember being the with rugby. i think anything to do with rugby. i would only have been in my late 30s then. .. . , would only have been in my late 30s then. ., ., , ., _ would only have been in my late 30s then. ., ., , ., ,, ., would only have been in my late 30s then. ., . , ., _ ., . then. you are still a baby now. we 43. -- then. you are still a baby now. we 43- -- you — then. you are still a baby now. we 43- -- you are _ then. you are still a baby now. we 43. -- you are 42? _ then. you are still a baby now. we 43. -- you are 42? an _ then. you are still a baby now. we 43. -- you are 42? an ex - then. you are still a baby now. we 43. -- you are 42? an ex player. then. you are still a baby now. we 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i l 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i -la ed 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i played with. — 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i played with. alex — 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i played with, alex pop, _ 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i played with, alex pop, has i 43. -- you are 42? an ex player i played with, alex pop, has been | played with, alex pop, has been unbelievable with all of this. he phoned me up. i was in the middle of a field and he said to me, have you got a few minutes to talk? he started to explain what he was going through at the time with memory loss and emotional changes. he is saying what i am like at the moment. why don't you go and get tested? at first i was saying, i don't need to,

i am fine. i spoke to my wife and she said, i think you really need it. what do you mean? you have changed a bit. she says it is like the light has gone out of me a little bit, which is quite hard to hear at times. i got tested and during one of the test i did, they say 20 words to you and you have to repeat them back and then you do another memory test, you repeat the 20 words and then i repeat them. my top school was something like five. i must admit i broke down, that was the moment it hit me, i am in trouble here, this is real. even until and then, what i found out after that, the dr interviewed steph and her nan died of dementia year before that. in the interview she said, it is really weird, it is as if he has dementia but i know he has not because he is really young. it is only now we have realised that

you can get dementia and how many people are suffering with it. it is only two people coming forward and telling our stories, there are hundreds who are suffering. you have not hundreds who are suffering. you have got children. — hundreds who are suffering. you have got children, haven't _ hundreds who are suffering. you have got children, haven't you? _ hundreds who are suffering. you have got children, haven't you? it - hundreds who are suffering. you have got children, haven't you? it is - hundreds who are suffering. you have got children, haven't you? it is not. got children, haven't you? it is not a test, sorry, didn't mean to do that. , ., we a test, sorry, didn't mean to do that. , . we drew that. nine, seven and three. we drew attention to — that. nine, seven and three. we drew attention to you _ that. nine, seven and three. we drew attention to you not _ that. nine, seven and three. we drew attention to you not recognising - attention to you not recognising herself in a picture at the world cup. it gets much more personal. how visual memory of them when they were younger? visual memory of them when they were ounaer? , ., visual memory of them when they were ounuer? , . ,, ., younger? things are disappearing completely- _ younger? things are disappearing completely. even _ younger? things are disappearing completely. even the _ younger? things are disappearing completely. even the other- younger? things are disappearing completely. even the other day i younger? things are disappearing| completely. even the other day we were talking, it was our tenth wedding anniversary and steph made me a pinnacle ladder. i said, don't remember this? me a pinnacle ladder. i said, don't rememberthis? i me a pinnacle ladder. i said, don't remember this? i said, me a pinnacle ladder. i said, don't rememberthis? isaid, it me a pinnacle ladder. i said, don't remember this? i said, it was nice about what is it? it was our wedding drink. it was gone. my friends and about to commit you have told me

about to commit you have told me about that. and with the children, what happened when steph went into labour. all of that is going slowly disappearing. when i was younger, i can remember a lot of that. i have missed alger for 70s, 80s can remember a lot of that. i have missed algerfor 70s, 80s music. there is a doctor who saved my life. i have gone on to medication now and i have gone on to medication now and i talk about it because i was one of these people, when i was younger, i thought people with mental health, i thought people with mental health, i thought it was rubbish, they were weak, i will be honest with you. this sounds awful but i called them happy pills. people's parents were on them and they were spaced out, they were not with it. i have had my life now, that is how i look at it. it is for my kids and others around me, i want to be level and try to get the best out of it now to give

them a better life. it is get the best out of it now to give them a better life.— get the best out of it now to give them a better life. it is great you have been _ them a better life. it is great you have been so _ them a better life. it is great you have been so open. _ them a better life. it is great you have been so open. if— them a better life. it is great you have been so open. if you - them a better life. it is great you have been so open. if you watch | have been so open. if you watch rugby now, they have got bigger. faster, stronger, the collisions are bigger. what goes through your mind? do you think the sport... this goes across a number of sports as well. are they better over concerns at injuries? are they better over concerns at in'uries? , ., injuries? the big thing for me, there is a _ injuries? the big thing for me, there is a lot _ injuries? the big thing for me, there is a lot of _ injuries? the big thing for me, there is a lot of money - injuries? the big thing for me, there is a lot of money in - injuries? the big thing for me, | there is a lot of money in sport. the government bodies have a duty of care to look after the people involved. there has been a study for 100 years on concussions and punch drunk syndrome and cte. they had to do their best to look after the players involved. do they need to players involved. do they need to play as many games? concussion protocols have to be looked at. if people had to sit out. weeks, they

must do that rather than a few days. if you had a knock, probably someone would say, just carry on or maybe you would as well. if would say, just carry on or maybe you would as well.— you would as well. if you got not the head especially, _ you would as well. if you got not the head especially, it _ you would as well. if you got not the head especially, it was - you would as well. if you got not the head especially, it was like, | the head especially, it was like, fantastically you have not pulled a hamstring because you can play on. i think i read in your book, during training sessions, if you were knocked out, he is having a nap, it is a regular nap and they wait for you to get up and carry on. that is what i learned _ you to get up and carry on. that is what i learned from _ you to get up and carry on. that is what i learned from people. - you to get up and carry on. that is what i learned from people. it - what i learned from people. it happened quite frequently. you have a nice, like a sensation of a nice dream and you carry on training. that was part of the training, just what happens. that was part of the training, 'ust what happenefi that was part of the training, just what happens. yes. charlie brought u . what happens. yes. charlie brought u- our what happens. yes charlie brought up your children. you what happens. ils charlie brought up your children. you wouldn't let your children play rugby at this point in time? we your children play rugby at this point in time?— your children play rugby at this point in time? we go to the local 'unior point in time? we go to the local iunior club _ point in time? we go to the local junior club and _ point in time? we go to the local junior club and it _

point in time? we go to the local junior club and it is _ point in time? we go to the local junior club and it is fantastic. - junior club and it is fantastic. people involved in rugby are amazing. all the parents take so much time to look after children and train children on a sunday, they are amazing people. we are trying to make it safe for everyone. do i believe that young children should believe that young children should be tackling though i know what i know? no, they should not. iwant be tackling though i know what i know? no, they should not. i want my children to disport. now i am aware of what can happen, everyone can get injured. there is a difference between a twisted ankle, a banged shoulder and a brain injury. you between a twisted ankle, a banged shoulder and a brain injury. shoulder and a brain in'ury. you are talkin: shoulder and a brain in'ury. you are tatktng about h shoulder and a brain in'ury. you are talking about contact _ shoulder and a brain injury. you are talking about contact for _ shoulder and a brain injury. you are talking about contact for young - talking about contact for young people. they can train in other ways. people. they can train in other wa s. , ., ., , , ways. rugby, what happened sometimes. _ ways. rugby, what happened sometimes, if _ ways. rugby, what happened sometimes, if you _ ways. rugby, what happened sometimes, if you are - ways. rugby, what happened sometimes, if you are a - ways. rugby, what happened| sometimes, if you are a large ways. rugby, what happened - sometimes, if you are a large child, you're going to be a prop. it is about playing different sports and enjoying being out and running around. i enjoying being out and running around. .. enjoying being out and running around. ~ ., , enjoying being out and running around. ~ .,, i. enjoying being out and running around. .. w ,, enjoying being out and running around. ~ :, around. i think it was your son, one of our around. i think it was your son, one of your children, _ around. i think it was your son, one of your children, he _ around. i think it was your son, one of your children, he was _ around. i think it was your son, one of your children, he was very - around. i think it was your son, one of your children, he was very sweet| of your children, he was very sweet kisses you on the head. mt;

kisses you on the head. my five-year-old, _ kisses you on the head. m five—year—old, she came kisses you on the head. i’i1 five—year—old, she came home kisses you on the head. ii1 five—year—old, she came home from school. she must have heard some of the parents talking about it when it happened. she sat on my knee. you have to and her lover. he gave me a kiss on the hand. she said, you have a poorly head. every bedtime she will kiss me on the head. she does that every single day when i am with her. ,, that every single day when i am with her. ., ,:, , that every single day when i am with her. ,, ,., :, .,, her. she sounds adorable. children deal with things _ her. she sounds adorable. children deal with things in _ her. she sounds adorable. children deal with things in their— her. she sounds adorable. children deal with things in their own - her. she sounds adorable. children deal with things in their own way. l deal with things in their own way. one thing ifound deal with things in their own way. one thing i found surprising deal with things in their own way. one thing ifound surprising in deal with things in their own way. one thing i found surprising in your own book, do not take this the wrong way. you are a big guy. you are a big guy. i could completely imagine you as a rugby player, i have seen you, i have seen how brilliant you are at the world cup. british roller speed skating champion as well. mi speed skating champion as well. lii. in lycra as well! speed skating champion as well. all in lycra as well! there _ speed skating champion as well. all in lycra as well! there is _ speed skating champion as well. all in lycra as well! there is an - speed skating champion as well. all

in lycra as well! there is an image. | in lycra as well! there is an image. no images — in lycra as well! there is an image. no images anywhere, _ in lycra as well! there is an image. no images anywhere, it _ in lycra as well! there is an image. no images anywhere, it is - in lycra as well! there is an image. no images anywhere, it is perfect. j no images anywhere, it is perfect. maybe could try getting back on to skates. it maybe could try getting back on to skates. . maybe could try getting back on to skates. , :, ., , , maybe could try getting back on to skates— you i maybe could try getting back on to l skates.— you are skates. it is not happening. you are talkint skates. it is not happening. you are talking about _ skates. it is not happening. you are talking about mental _ skates. it is not happening. you are talking about mental health. - skates. it is not happening. you are talking about mental health. he - skates. it is not happening. you are | talking about mental health. he had a discussion coming up, in football there is a major push to get more people talking about suicide in young people more generally, spearheaded by people in football. i am sure you are fully on board. part ofthat am sure you are fully on board. part of that will— am sure you are fully on board. part of that will be _ am sure you are fully on board. pant of that will be mental health is a big part. iam of that will be mental health is a big part. i am starting to believe, looking and knowing what i know now, with mental health, a lot of it could come from brain injuries. when you look at how many people are skiing, banging the head, neck and back to work, the nation start changing commit memory starts going a little better may think it is just down to age. it is notjust sports

people, it is affecting a lot of people, it is affecting a lot of people in their lies. that is why we want to try to make it a wear. mental health is a massive part trying to get people living their lives. it is hard to get back into a workplace or something. when you are anxious like i am, i hate travelling and going out, steph takes it all on her shoulders really most of the time she picks me up and sent everyone gets to see you looking so good for 20 minutes, 30 minutes, it is her who is exhausted and has to pick me up. unbelievable. the whole famil are. pick me up. unbelievable. the whole family are- all _ pick me up. unbelievable. the whole family are. all the _ pick me up. unbelievable. the whole family are. all the more _ pick me up. unbelievable. the whole family are. all the more reason - pick me up. unbelievable. the whole family are. all the more reason for i family are. all the more reason for thanking you for coming in and chatting to as. morning live follows breakfast on bbc one this morning. gethin and sheree can tell us what they have in store. coming up on morning live... as petrol prices continue to hit record highs, we've been to find out how simple steps, such as emptying your boot and checking your tyre pressure,

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they've appeared in a new video hoping to get people talking and kick start the campaign nationally — let's take a look. i think very often people think that they are not valued, and what they are feeling is something that nobody else is interested in, and i think, whether you know somebody or whether it is a somebody you are meeting for the first time, you might have a greater impact than you might think. together we can help prevent suicide — together we can help prevent suicide |_ together we can help prevent suicide. :. . together we can help prevent suicide. :, , :, , . :, suicide. i am bringing the topic of suicide. i am bringing the topic of suicide out _ suicide. i am bringing the topic of suicide out of _ suicide. i am bringing the topic of suicide out of the _ suicide. i am bringing the topic of suicide out of the garden. - suicide. i am bringing the topic of suicide out of the garden. small i suicide out of the garden. small actions from _ suicide out of the garden. small actions from ourselves - suicide out of the garden. small actions from ourselves can - suicide out of the garden. small| actions from ourselves can make suicide out of the garden. small - actions from ourselves can make all the difference so important for somebody with suicidal feelings to feel that support... for somebody with suicidal feelings to feel that support. . .— feel that support. .. for all of us it is to bring _ feel that support. .. for all of us it is to bring the _ feel that support. .. for all of us it is to bring the topic— feel that support. .. for all of us it is to bring the topic of - it is to bring the topic of suicide out of— it is to bring the topic of suicide out of the — it is to bring the topic of suicide

out of the dark.— it is to bring the topic of suicide - out of the dark.- together. out of the dark. together. together. to t ether. out of the dark. together. together. together. together. _ out of the dark. together. together. together. together. together. - together. together. together. together- _ together. together. together. together. together. _ together. together. together. together. together. we - together. together. together. together. together. we can i together. together. together. i together. together. we can help arevent together. together. we can help prevent suicide. _ joining us now is football manager sam allardyce, the mayor of greater manchester andy burnham, judd skelton, the head of greater manchester suicide prevention, and andy airey, who lost his daughter to suicide four years ago. welcome, everyone. still got your shots on. i welcome, everyone. still got your shots on. : :. , welcome, everyone. still got your shots on. . :, , ., welcome, everyone. still got your shots on-_ it - welcome, everyone. still got your shots on._ it is - shots on. i certainly have. it is our shots on. i certainly have. it is yourthing. — shots on. i certainly have. it is your thing. the _ shots on. i certainly have. it is your thing, the short - shots on. i certainly have. it is your thing, the short stay - shots on. i certainly have. it is your thing, the short stay on. | shots on. i certainly have. it is - your thing, the short stay on. sam, i want to start with you, the focus is football, but it is a much bigger issue. i am curious, given how long you have been involved in the sport, you have been involved in the sport, you will do member a time when nobody thought remotely about the mental health of your players or young people. —— you will remember.

absolutely, i think don't be soft and get on with it, i think way back then would have been the answer to you having feelings of being depressed or even suicidal. so we have come from those days now, i think everybody, and i think particularly of football, which is lucky enough for us, we are with the lma, the support it gives across football, and...— lma, the support it gives across football, and... was there a sort of dint for football, and... was there a sort of ding for you — football, and... was there a sort of ding for you when _ football, and... was there a sort of ding for you when you _ football, and... was there a sort of ding for you when you realised - football, and... was there a sort of ding for you when you realised it i ding for you when you realised it was something to be more open about? it has been a ding moment across the board for me in terms of promoting sport psychology first and foremost, which i came across when i played in

america, it was deemed to be for soft characters or soft people. it is much more important than that, it is much more important than that, it is for everybody, no matter who it is, how old or how young you are, and through sport and through promoting psychology and sports psychology, you get into mental health, and then of course you get into the rates of particularly suicide, which is of us are quite staggering when we see that more men die under 49 with suicide than any other illness, and women between 20 and 34. such as how important this roll—out is, and how we in football terms will hopefully help, because most people watch football today are involved in football, if we can help promote it, this is what we are here to do. it promote it, this is what we are here to do. . promote it, this is what we are here to do. , :, , promote it, this is what we are here todo. , :, , to do. it is the only way possible to do. it is the only way possible to tet to do. it is the only way possible to get this _ to do. it is the only way possible to get this out _ to do. it is the only way possible to get this out nationally -- - to do. it is the only way possible to get this out nationally -- it i to get this out nationally —— it is any way possible, isn't it? it is, when i was _ any way possible, isn't it? it is,

when i was first _ any way possible, isn't it? it is, when i was first elected - any way possible, isn't it? it is, when i was first elected as i any way possible, isn't it? it is, i when i was first elected as mayor any way possible, isn't it? it is, when i was first elected as mayor of manchester, the experts came to me and said _ manchester, the experts came to me and said we _ manchester, the experts came to me and said we need to have campaign are now— and said we need to have campaign are now about suicide, and i will be honest. _ are now about suicide, and i will be honest. i_ are now about suicide, and i will be honest, i pulled back a little bit, is that_ honest, i pulled back a little bit, is that a — honest, i pulled back a little bit, is that a step too far?— honest, i pulled back a little bit, is that a step too far? why, what was our is that a step too far? why, what was your instinct? _ is that a step too far? why, what was your instinct? it _ is that a step too far? why, what was your instinct? it is _ is that a step too far? why, what was your instinct? it is a - is that a step too far? why, what was your instinct? it is a difficult| was your instinct? it is a difficult sub'ect, was your instinct? it is a difficult subject, doesn't _ was your instinct? it is a difficult subject, doesn't it? _ was your instinct? it is a difficult subject, doesn't it? but - was your instinct? it is a difficult subject, doesn't it? but for i was your instinct? it is a difficult subject, doesn't it? but for that| subject, doesn't it? but for that reason — subject, doesn't it? but for that reason and _ subject, doesn't it? but for that reason and the reason sam just gave, it is the _ reason and the reason sam just gave, it is the biggest cause of preventable and avoidable death of men under 50, preventable and avoidable death of men under50, of preventable and avoidable death of men under 50, of course you have to talk about— men under 50, of course you have to talk about it — men under 50, of course you have to talk about it i— men under 50, of course you have to talk about it. i was in parliament when _ talk about it. i was in parliament when the — talk about it. i was in parliament when the first mp admitted to having had mental health problems, it was a bil had mental health problems, it was a big moment, and i think in the last decade _ big moment, and i think in the last decade started to talk about mental health— decade started to talk about mental health so— decade started to talk about mental health so much more, even in footbatt— health so much more, even in football as— health so much more, even in football as sam was saying, this is about— football as sam was saying, this is about going another step in having a very direct _ about going another step in having a very direct and honest conversation about— very direct and honest conversation about suicide, and yes, with the support— about suicide, and yes, with the support of— about suicide, and yes, with the support of the league managers, who have been_ support of the league managers, who have been absolutely brilliant fast stepping forward and taking us on, they now— stepping forward and taking us on, they now can take it to that nationat— they now can take it to that national audience who really need to be part— national audience who really need to be part of— national audience who really need to be part of this conversation. so national audience who really need to be part of this conversation.- be part of this conversation. so how does that become _

be part of this conversation. so how does that become impactful, i be part of this conversation. so how does that become impactful, judd? | does that become impactful, judd? how does it reach people who need it? i' how does it reach people who need it? ~ ., it? i think having the league managers — it? i think having the league managers association i it? i think having the league | managers association backing it? i think having the league i managers association backing it it? i think having the league - managers association backing it will really _ managers association backing it will really help _ managers association backing it will really help reaching _ managers association backing it will really help reaching people - managers association backing it will really help reaching people we i really help reaching people we cannot — really help reaching people we cannot reach _ really help reaching people we cannot reach by— really help reaching people we cannot reach by our— really help reaching people we cannot reach by our normal. really help reaching people we - cannot reach by our normal channels. we are _ cannot reach by our normal channels. we are trying — cannot reach by our normal channels. we are trying to — cannot reach by our normal channels. we are trying to get _ cannot reach by our normal channels. we are trying to get people _ cannot reach by our normal channels. we are trying to get people to - we are trying to get people to do the 20 _ we are trying to get people to do the 20 minute _ we are trying to get people to do the 20 minute save _ we are trying to get people to do the 20 minute save a _ we are trying to get people to do the 20 minute save a life - we are trying to get people to dol the 20 minute save a life training, which _ the 20 minute save a life training, which gives— the 20 minute save a life training, which gives people _ the 20 minute save a life training, which gives people some - which gives people some understanding _ which gives people some understanding about- which gives people some i understanding about science which gives people some - understanding about science to which gives people some _ understanding about science to spot and how _ understanding about science to spot and how to — understanding about science to spot and how to have _ understanding about science to spot and how to have the _ understanding about science to spot and how to have the conversations, | and how to have the conversations, what _ and how to have the conversations, what to _ and how to have the conversations, what to say, — and how to have the conversations, what to say, what _ and how to have the conversations, what to say, what not _ and how to have the conversations, what to say, what not to _ and how to have the conversations, what to say, what not to make i what to say, what not to make people feel a _ what to say, what not to make people feel a bit— what to say, what not to make people feel a bit more — what to say, what not to make people feel a bit more confident. _ what to say, what not to make people feel a bit more confident. i— what to say, what not to make people feel a bit more confident. [thras- feel a bit more confident. i was on that course. _ feel a bit more confident. i was on that course. i _ feel a bit more confident. i was on that course, i think _ feel a bit more confident. i was on that course, i think zero _ that course, i think zero suicide alliance training, and it is into reactive, and just 20 minutes about the right approach to somebody who has suicidal feelings, using the right language, and that can be something that is of great benefit to everybody, who is actually meeting somebody, no matter who it is. it is notjust about recognising somebody you know of families, recognising anybody you might come across just to have that awareness

and say, how are you feeling? perhaps that might be the only word you need to say to be able to communicate with that particular person at that time.— communicate with that particular person at that time.- i i communicate with that particular. person at that time.- i think person at that time. andy? i think it's fantastic, _ person at that time. andy? i think it's fantastic, a _ person at that time. andy? i think it's fantastic, a campaign - person at that time. andy? i think it's fantastic, a campaign that i it's fantastic, a campaign that absolutely reflects everything that we did under the three dad's banner, one thing realised very early on is that the way to save lives is talking, and the more people encouraged actually open up and engage in some kind of open conversation, the more lives will be saved, so it is a fantastic thing to see. i saved, so it is a fantastic thing to see. . saved, so it is a fantastic thing to see. , ., ~ :, i. see. i remember talking to you while ou're on see. i remember talking to you while you're on your _ see. i remember talking to you while you're on your own _ see. i remember talking to you while you're on your own charity _ see. i remember talking to you while you're on your own charity mission, i you're on your own charity mission, you're on your own charity mission, you said that even as you are doing it, people came up had conversations, saying things they have never said out loud before, just because they felt like it was a safe place to do it, i suppose, because they knew that he understood.— because they knew that he understood. :, �* , , because they knew that he understood. :, �*, , . ., understood. that's exactly it. we do not set out —

understood. that's exactly it. we do not set out to _ understood. that's exactly it. we do not set out to create _ understood. that's exactly it. we do not set out to create that _ not set out to create that particular space, we set out to raise £9,000.— particular space, we set out to raise £9,000. . ., :, , , raise £9,000. what does it end up as? and the _ raise £9,000. what does it end up as? and the moment, _ raise £9,000. what does it end up as? and the moment, something l raise £9,000. what does it end up i as? and the moment, something like £880,000. a — as? and the moment, something like £880,000. a bit — as? and the moment, something like £880,000. a bit more _ as? and the moment, something like £880,000. a bit more than - as? and the moment, something like £880,000. a bit more than we - £880,000. a bit more than we thought! we thought we might raise some awareness about papyrus, prevention of young suicide, because it was only after we lost our young daughters that we found out that suicide was the biggest killer of under 355, suicide was the biggest killer of under35s, men suicide was the biggest killer of under 355, men and women, and we thought, why is talking about it? and on the walk itself, as you are saying, we talked about this last time we were here, every day, people came up to us and approached us, somewhat with us and we just wanted to stop and have a chat and talked about their experience of losing loved ones to suicide, children to suicide, and they'll have the same comment, fires is nobody telling us? why did nobody tell us about this? if suicide is the biggest killer of young people, the most dangerous thing in young people's are

themselves, shall be have to talk about. :, :, themselves, shall be have to talk about. :, ., , . about. you have some experience when ou are 19 about. you have some experience when you are 19 and — about. you have some experience when you are 19 and experiencing _ about. you have some experience when you are 19 and experiencing suicidal- you are 19 and experiencing suicidal thoughts, when somebody spoke to you, even though sam said, this course is short and interactive, can you talk about the other side, the impact of somebody actually being able to talk to you at that point in life? ., able to talk to you at that point in life? :, , ., life? yeah, it is that huge difference, _ life? yeah, it is that huge difference, you _ life? yeah, it is that huge difference, you do - life? yeah, it is that huge difference, you do not. life? yeah, it is that huge| difference, you do not feel life? yeah, it is that huge - difference, you do not feel alone, i think— difference, you do not feel alone, i think one _ difference, you do not feel alone, i think one in — difference, you do not feel alone, i think one in five _ difference, you do not feel alone, i think one in five of _ difference, you do not feel alone, i think one in five of us _ difference, you do not feel alone, i think one in five of us at _ difference, you do not feel alone, i think one in five of us at some i think one in five of us at some point — think one in five of us at some point in — think one in five of us at some point in our— think one in five of us at some point in our lives _ think one in five of us at some point in our lives will- think one in five of us at some point in our lives will have i point in our lives will have suicidal— point in our lives will have suicidal thoughts. - point in our lives will have suicidalthoughts. i- point in our lives will have suicidal thoughts. i was i point in our lives will have i suicidal thoughts. i was one of those — suicidal thoughts. i was one of those when _ suicidal thoughts. i was one of those when i _ suicidal thoughts. i was one of those when i was _ suicidal thoughts. i was one of those when i was younger, i suicidal thoughts. i was one of| those when i was younger, and suicidal thoughts. i was one of. those when i was younger, and i suicidal thoughts. i was one of- those when i was younger, and i have .one those when i was younger, and i have gone on _ those when i was younger, and i have gone on to— those when i was younger, and i have gone on to channel— those when i was younger, and i have gone on to channel that _ those when i was younger, and i have gone on to channel that into - those when i was younger, and i have gone on to channel that into working i gone on to channel that into working in mental— gone on to channel that into working in mental health— gone on to channel that into working in mental health and _ gone on to channel that into working in mental health and social- in mental health and social carefully _ in mental health and social carefully last _ in mental health and social carefully last 25 _ in mental health and social carefully last 25 years, i in mental health and social. carefully last 25 years, which in mental health and social- carefully last 25 years, which is how i_ carefully last 25 years, which is how i try— carefully last 25 years, which is how i try to— carefully last 25 years, which is how i try to channel— carefully last 25 years, which is how i try to channel my - how i try to channel my experience -- mentat— how i try to channel my experience —— mental health— how i try to channel my experience —— mental health and _ how i try to channel my experience —— mental health and social- how i try to channel my experience —— mental health and social for- how i try to channel my experiencej —— mental health and social for the last 25_ —— mental health and social for the last 25 years — —— mental health and social for the last 25 years if_ —— mental health and social for the last 25 years. if there _ —— mental health and social for the last 25 years. if there is _ —— mental health and social for the last 25 years. if there is nobody i last 25 years. if there is nobody you can — last 25 years. if there is nobody you can trust _ last 25 years. if there is nobody you can trust that _ last 25 years. if there is nobody you can trust that you - last 25 years. if there is nobody you can trust that you can - last 25 years. if there is nobody you can trust that you can talk. last 25 years. if there is nobody . you can trust that you can talk to, there _

you can trust that you can talk to, there are — you can trust that you can talk to, there are organisations _ you can trust that you can talk to, there are organisations like - you can trust that you can talk to, there are organisations like the i there are organisations like the samaritans _ there are organisations like the samaritans and _ there are organisations like the samaritans and cut _ there are organisations like the samaritans and cut papyrus - there are organisations like the| samaritans and cut papyrus who there are organisations like the - samaritans and cut papyrus who you can talk _ samaritans and cut papyrus who you can talk to, — samaritans and cut papyrus who you can talk to, sometimes _ samaritans and cut papyrus who you can talk to, sometimes it _ samaritans and cut papyrus who you can talk to, sometimes it is - samaritans and cut papyrus who you can talk to, sometimes it is helpfull can talk to, sometimes it is helpful to talk— can talk to, sometimes it is helpful to talk to _ can talk to, sometimes it is helpful to talk to somebody— can talk to, sometimes it is helpful to talk to somebody you _ can talk to, sometimes it is helpful to talk to somebody you don't - to talk to somebody you don't know. how important — to talk to somebody you don't know. how important was _ to talk to somebody you don't know. how important was it _ to talk to somebody you don't know. how important was it for— to talk to somebody you don't know. how important was it for somebodyl to talk to somebody you don't know. i how important was it for somebody to just ask how you are? vitally important — just ask how you are? vitally important for _ just ask how you are? vitally important for somebody - just ask how you are? vitally important for somebody to l just ask how you are? vitally - important for somebody to check in. this was— important for somebody to check in. this was 30 — important for somebody to check in. this was 30 years _ important for somebody to check in. this was 30 years ago, _ important for somebody to check in. this was 30 years ago, so... - important for somebody to check in. this was 30 years ago, so... in - important for somebody to check in. this was 30 years ago, so. . .- this was 30 years ago, so... in the da s ou this was 30 years ago, so... in the days you would _ this was 30 years ago, so... in the days you would have _ this was 30 years ago, so... in the days you would have been - this was 30 years ago, so... in the days you would have been seen - this was 30 years ago, so... in the - days you would have been seen making a fuss. �* , ., , days you would have been seen making afuss.�* , . a fuss. and people say you are not auoin to a fuss. and people say you are not going to do _ a fuss. and people say you are not going to do anything _ a fuss. and people say you are not going to do anything silly. - a fuss. and people say you are not going to do anything silly. i - going to do anything silly. noticed earlier from sam, going to do anything silly.“ noticed earlier from sam, the noticed earlierfrom sam, the word soft gets a reaction from you every time. if soft gets a reaction from you every time. , ., �* ., soft gets a reaction from you every time. i. �* ., . ,., soft gets a reaction from you every time. i. �* ., . time. if you're worried about some havin: time. if you're worried about some having suicidal _ time. if you're worried about some having suicidal thoughts, - time. if you're worried about some having suicidal thoughts, you - time. if you're worried about some having suicidal thoughts, you have| having suicidal thoughts, you have to ask them, are you thinking about suicide? because if you do not ask them directly, it is very easy to sidestep it. i them directly, it is very easy to sidestep it— them directly, it is very easy to sideste it. ., . , sidestep it. i was to ask you this, and , sidestep it. i was to ask you this, andy. we — sidestep it. i was to ask you this, andy. we have — sidestep it. i was to ask you this, andy, we have experts _ sidestep it. i was to ask you this, andy, we have experts here - sidestep it. i was to ask you this, andy, we have experts here with| sidestep it. i was to ask you this, i andy, we have experts here with us for one reason or another, that conversation you were saying, ask directly, that is a very big step to take, you're talking to one of your children or somebody you know or

care about, they say they are fine, you're thinking something else in your wallet, the thing that you just said, the next thing to say is, are you suicidal, to do that step beyond,it you suicidal, to do that step beyond, it is very hard, isn't it? i think we are all thinking about it, how can you take that next step? for the thing you say next the, charlie, you don't— the thing you say next the, charlie, you don'tjust say the thing you say next the, charlie, you don't just say that, the thing you say next the, charlie, you don'tjust say that, once people ask you _ you don'tjust say that, once people ask you directly, does notjust how are you. _ ask you directly, does notjust how are you. how— ask you directly, does notjust how are you, how are doing this morning, it is how— are you, how are doing this morning, it is how are — are you, how are doing this morning, it is how are you? and if you look peopte _ it is how are you? and if you look people in— it is how are you? and if you look people in the eye and ask them, peopte _ people in the eye and ask them, people actually starts to open up. | people actually starts to open up. i was people actually starts to open up. was being people actually starts to open up. i was being honest with naga before, when the campaign was put to me to sign it off and go public, i had that pull—back from the subject, but that pull—back from the subject, but thatis that pull—back from the subject, but that is entirely the wrong instant, as andy is saying, we are living through a mental health pandemics, let's be honest about that. it is

all pervasive now, life is such that everyone is struggling at times. i everyone is struggling at times. i was put in that scenario, the i did it rather bluntly, if the reaction is, you get into that conversation, you broach the subject of are you genuinely, you broach the subject and they are not, comments on the day is ok, there's no harm done, is there? because all you have done is just talk. there? because all you have done is 'ust talk. ~ , ~' there? because all you have done is 'ust talk. ~ , ~ , just talk. absolutely, i think it is breakinu just talk. absolutely, i think it is breaking the _ just talk. absolutely, i think it is breaking the stigma _ just talk. absolutely, i think it is breaking the stigma around - just talk. absolutely, i think it is| breaking the stigma around using just talk. absolutely, i think it is - breaking the stigma around using the web suicide, — breaking the stigma around using the web suicide, myth— breaking the stigma around using the web suicide, myth busting, _ breaking the stigma around using the web suicide, myth busting, i- breaking the stigma around using the web suicide, myth busting, i guess, i web suicide, myth busting, i guess, challenging — web suicide, myth busting, i guess, challenging the _ web suicide, myth busting, i guess, challenging the idea _ web suicide, myth busting, i guess, challenging the idea that _ web suicide, myth busting, i guess, challenging the idea that if- web suicide, myth busting, i guess, challenging the idea that if you - challenging the idea that if you mention— challenging the idea that if you mention suicide _ challenging the idea that if you mention suicide it'll— challenging the idea that if you mention suicide it'll put - challenging the idea that if you mention suicide it'll put it - challenging the idea that if you mention suicide it'll put it into| mention suicide it'll put it into somebody's_ mention suicide it'll put it into somebody's head, _ mention suicide it'll put it into somebody's head, it- mention suicide it'll put it into somebody's head, it won't. i mention suicide it'll put it into. somebody's head, it won't. just mention suicide it'll put it into somebody's head, it won't. just to reemphasise _ somebody's head, it won't. just to reemphasise what _ somebody's head, it won't. just to reemphasise what judd _ somebody's head, it won't. just to reemphasise what judd said - somebody's head, it won't. just to l reemphasise what judd said before, reemphasise whatjudd said before, there _ reemphasise whatjudd said before, there free _ reemphasise whatjudd said before, there free 20 minute training, it is easy— there free 20 minute training, it is easy to _ there free 20 minute training, it is easy to do. — there free 20 minute training, it is easy to do. i— there free 20 minute training, it is easy to do, i have done it, if you are website _ easy to do, i have done it, if you are website shining a light on

suicide, — are website shining a light on suicide, it— are website shining a light on suicide, it is there, everyone will finish _ suicide, it is there, everyone will finish the — suicide, it is there, everyone will finish the training with a bit more knowledge of how to have that conversation if you need to. you have spoken _ conversation if you need to. gm. have spoken openly about the death of your friend gary speed, do you think this would have made a difference to him, and also to so many other young players who were not in that environment who felt they were not in an environment where they could speak up or would be listened to? i where they could speak up or would be listened to?— be listened to? i think that in football terms _ be listened to? i think that in football terms particularly, . football terms particularly, everybody has moved on, and as more and more aware of that than ever before, as i said bringing in sport psychology, even talking about their own religion about they might get a somebody in their church, their particular religion, and for them to take them on and talk about it, i think that is still very important for a lot of people, and we have moved on so far. my awareness is

about people's body language in my own experience, my body language tells me 65 to 70% of what they are experiencing that day, so i can ask the question, how are you, just based on... now, that is not a stranger, but that was to me about, are they down and out, what are they doing? are they walking around with no code on —— no coat, looking a bit distressed? you can say, how are you? so i think when we'll have moved on and we all look at the course and say, i think notjust once, you do the course, then i think a month later you won't have a look again, ijust remind yourself, it is a little bit like when we have to take the first aid course, if somebody falls on the street, i would know how to resuscitate them

and try to keep them alive, and i think it is along similar lines that you look at that zero suicide training course again, and remind yourself that when you're going out every day. yourself that when you're going out eve da . . . , yourself that when you're going out eve da . , , , . yourself that when you're going out eve da. ,, , . every day. this is why we are so crateful every day. this is why we are so grateful to _ every day. this is why we are so grateful to have _ every day. this is why we are so grateful to have some _ every day. this is why we are so grateful to have some adobe - every day. this is why we are so - grateful to have some adobe managers we near— grateful to have some adobe managers we near the _ grateful to have some adobe managers we near the video, because these people _ we near the video, because these people are — we near the video, because these people are experts at reading the mood _ people are experts at reading the mood of— people are experts at reading the mood of people, lifting the mood of the young _ mood of people, lifting the mood of the young people they are working with, _ the young people they are working with. and — the young people they are working with, and also expert communicating with, and also expert communicating with the _ with, and also expert communicating with the broader public. so far side and i, _ with the broader public. so far side and i. when — with the broader public. so far side and i, when the league managers association said they were prepared to take _ association said they were prepared to take on _ association said they were prepared to take on this taboo, which is what it is, _ to take on this taboo, which is what it is, throughout then start that national— it is, throughout then start that national conversation, can you imagine — national conversation, can you imagine how amazing that was for us?

ithink— imagine how amazing that was for us? i think we _ imagine how amazing that was for us? i think we att— imagine how amazing that was for us? i think we all of them a huge debt of thanks — i think we all of them a huge debt of thanks. it i think we all of them a huge debt of thanks. . . . . of thanks. it is such a great platform — of thanks. it is such a great platform to _ of thanks. it is such a great platform to be _ of thanks. it is such a great platform to be able - of thanks. it is such a great platform to be able to - of thanks. it is such a great| platform to be able to reach of thanks. it is such a great - platform to be able to reach men, women, _ platform to be able to reach men, women, and — platform to be able to reach men, women, and get _ platform to be able to reach men, women, and get them _ platform to be able to reach men, women, and get them to- platform to be able to reach men, women, and get them to engage i platform to be able to reach men, - women, and get them to engage them in the _ women, and get them to engage them in the training, — women, and get them to engage them in the training, then _ women, and get them to engage them in the training, then we _ women, and get them to engage them in the training, then we had _ women, and get them to engage them in the training, then we had to- women, and get them to engage them in the training, then we had to set- in the training, then we had to set a target _ in the training, then we had to set a target will — in the training, then we had to set a target will be _ in the training, then we had to set a target will be much _ in the training, then we had to set a target will be much the - in the training, then we had to set| a target will be much the campaign of 8000 _ a target will be much the campaign of 8000 people _ a target will be much the campaign of 8000 people doing _ a target will be much the campaign of 8000 people doing the - a target will be much the campaign of 8000 people doing the training.j of 8000 people doing the training. we have _ of 8000 people doing the training. we have had — of 8000 people doing the training. we have had 28,000 _ of 8000 people doing the training. we have had 28,000 people - of 8000 people doing the training.| we have had 28,000 people across greater— we have had 28,000 people across greater manchester _ we have had 28,000 people across greater manchester to _ we have had 28,000 people across greater manchester to that - we have had 28,000 people across| greater manchester to that training. i am greater manchester to that training. i am sure _ greater manchester to that training. iam sure there _ greater manchester to that training. i am sure there will— greater manchester to that training. i am sure there will be _ greater manchester to that training. i am sure there will be many- greater manchester to that training. i am sure there will be many more. i i am sure there will be many more. good to see you all this morning, lovely to see you. andy, keep going with the shorts. if we ever speak to you again... taste with the shorts. if we ever speak to you again- - -— you again... we will be working auain, you again. .. we will be working again. don't— you again... we will be working again, don't worry. _ you again... we will be working again, don't worry. excellent. l you again... we will be working - again, don't worry. excellent. watch this space- — again, don't worry. excellent. watch this space. thank _ again, don't worry. excellent. watch this space. thank you, _ again, don't worry. excellent. watch this space. thank you, gentlemen. l again, don't worry. excellent. watch| this space. thank you, gentlemen. if any of the subjects we were discussing have affected you, you can go to the bbc action line in sight, and if you can access people who can help, organisations are listed there. here's carol with a look at this morning's weather.

good morning. a real east—west split in our weather today, as you can see from the weather watchers pictures. in the west, argyll and bute, beautiful blue skies. in the east in lincolnshire, lots more cloud around, and eastern areas generally hang on to the stop in cloud as well as the midlands. thick enough here and therefore the odd spot of rain. going through the day, more cloud bubbling up, turning the sunshine hazy, we could catch the odd shower in the south—west, and also passing across the north of scotland, but many of us will avoid them and a noticeable breeze for some of us as well. feeling chilly if you're walking along the shore later on. top temperatures today up to 17 success. through this evening and overnight, this bank of cloud slips a little bit further south, they shall fade, the skies were clear, and the temperature will drop, cold enough for a touch of frost across parts of northern ireland, southern scotland, northern england, northern wales, and parts of the midlands as well. but this is where we will

start off with the wind shouted sunshine first then, cloud continuing to sink down into the south—eastern quarter, but again for the odd spot. one of us have a sunny day tomorrow competitor today. could still catch the show across the north and east of scotland, and north—east england, at times, and still breezy across the south but not as breezy as today. temperatures around nine to 16 of 17 celsius. then into saturday, a lot of sunshine across southern areas, turning hazy through the day, but then we see more significant rain coming in across western and northern scotland, and northern ireland. have not seen us for a while, this is welcome rain, and ahead of cloud will tend to build, temperatures winds again at nine to about 17 celsius. then sunday, the rain bring the weather front since south across england, taking its patchy rain with it, quite a lot of cloud around during sunday, but it will brighten up in the northern and eastern scotland and parts of eastern scotland and parts of eastern england as well,

temperatures up to about ia celsius. carol, if you would hazard a guess at the art and charlie's house, i will take you to his wc, what kind of picture do you think you would have in there? i think you would have in there? i think you would have a quirky one, something like a cricketer, a funny one. you are not far off. he has a massive picture of steve coogan. i have never been in charlie's loo. there is a first time for everything. sometimes, steve coogan, should have learned my lesson, i assumed that these things we said would be kept between the three of us... you we said would be kept between the three of us. . .— we said would be kept between the three of us... you have provided me a lot of material. _ three of us... you have provided me a lot of material. what _ three of us... you have provided me a lot of material. what was - three of us... you have provided me a lot of material. what was your - a lot of material. what was your resonse a lot of material. what was your response to _ a lot of material. what was your response to charlie? _ a lot of material. what was your response to charlie? broke - a lot of material. what was your response to charlie? broke into| a lot of material. what was your. response to charlie? broke into a cold sweat? _ response to charlie? broke into a cold sweat? no, _ response to charlie? broke into a cold sweat? no, you _ response to charlie? broke into a cold sweat? no, you said, - response to charlie? broke into a| cold sweat? no, you said, doesn't hel ou cold sweat? no, you said, doesn't help you relieve _ cold sweat? no, you said, doesn't help you relieve yourself? - cold sweat? no, you said, doesn't help you relieve yourself? the - cold sweat? no, you said, doesn't| help you relieve yourself? the odd thing was he did not ask me what the

picture was. do you want to know? i'm not sure, but i think you're going to tell me.— going to tell me. maybe i am not auoin to going to tell me. maybe i am not going to say _ going to tell me. maybe i am not going to say now. _ going to tell me. maybe i am not going to say now, maybe - going to tell me. maybe i am not going to say now, maybe i - going to tell me. maybe i am not going to say now, maybe i won't| going to say now, maybe i won't say. tell us, come on. all right, it is the stan and ollie, it is the poster for that, the stan and ollie, it is the poster forthat, because the stan and ollie, it is the poster for that, because i think that was amazing, and you were in that. filth. amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you- — amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you- you _ amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you. you might _ amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you. you might be _ amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you. you might be up- amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you. you might be up on - amazing, and you were in that. oh, thank you. you might be up on the| thank you. you might be up on the toilet roll. — thank you. you might be up on the toilet roll, but _ thank you. you might be up on the toilet roll, but it _ thank you. you might be up on the toilet roll, but it is _ thank you. you might be up on the toilet roll, but it is a _ thank you. you might be up on the toilet roll, but it is a murk - toilet roll, but it is a murk of respect. toilet roll, but it is a murk of resect. ., . , , . respect. you have put my mind at ease, i respect. you have put my mind at ease. i am _ respect. you have put my mind at ease, i am grateful— respect. you have put my mind at ease, i am grateful for— respect. you have put my mind at ease, i am grateful for that. - respect. you have put my mind at ease, i am grateful for that. not i ease, i am gratefulfor that. not awkward at _ ease, i am gratefulfor that. not awkward at all. _ ease, iam grateful for that. not awkward at all. so, steve coogan, you are back on tour.— you are back on tour. yes, touring all over the _ you are back on tour. yes, touring all over the uk. _ you are back on tour. yes, touring all over the uk. with _ you are back on tour. yes, touring all over the uk. with alan - all over the uk. with alan partridge. _ all over the uk. with alan partridge, of _ all over the uk. with alan partridge, of course. - all over the uk. with alan | partridge, of course. let's all over the uk. with alan - partridge, of course. let's take a look at some of alan's best moments. # knowing me knowing you #. aha! _ # knowing me knowing you #. aha! goat! _ # knowing me knowing you #. aha! goal! striker! and another!

there's dan. dan! dan! dan! dan! muqqy there's dan. dan! dan! dan! dan! muggy tennis? lynn, i've pierced my foot on a spike. rumour has it that that was the shoe warm by the horse that was the shoe warm by the horse that trampled that suffragette. trying to remember her 9. emilia;r trying to remember her 9. emily davison. trying to remember her 9. emily davison- no. _ trying to remember her 9. emily davison. no, the _ trying to remember her 9. emily davison. no, the horse. - trying to remember her 9. emily davison. no, the horse. dan! - trying to remember her 9. emily l davison. no, the horse. dan! dan! dan! should _ davison. no, the horse. dan! dan! dan! should you _ davison. no, the horse. dan! dan! dan! should you not _ davison. no, the horse. dan! dan! dan! should you not be _ davison. no, the horse. dan! dan! dan! should you not be at - davison. no, the horse. dan! dan! dan! should you not be at school? | dan! should you not be at school? i'm a little bit old for that now, i am 33 _ i'm a little bit old for that now, i am 33 years— i'm a little bit old for that now, i am 33 years of age.— i'm a little bit old for that now, i am 33 years of age. what?! you're 33?! that's — am 33 years of age. what?! you're 33?! that's correct. _ 33?! that's correct. # so _ 33?! that's correct. # so we _ 33?! that's correct. # so we say, - 33?! that's correct. # so we say, thank 33?! that's correct. - # so we say, thank you for 33?! that's correct. _ # so we say, thank you for the music

#. #. # knowing me, knowing you #. # knowing me, knowing you #. # aha _ # knowing me, knowing you #. # aha # — # aha #. . dan! dan! it's fine, come on. ., . dan! dan! it's fine, come on. for some people. _ . dan! dan! it's fine, come on. for some people, the potted character, it started as a sports presenter, didn't he? that was a minor role on another comedy show.— didn't he? that was a minor role on another comedy show. yeah, started on bbc radio — another comedy show. yeah, started on bbc radio 4. — another comedy show. yeah, started on bbc radio 4, then _ another comedy show. yeah, started on bbc radio 4, then went _ another comedy show. yeah, started on bbc radio 4, then went on - another comedy show. yeah, started on bbc radio 4, then went on to - another comedy show. yeah, started j on bbc radio 4, then went on to bbc television, and he was armando iannucci and chris morris had this show, he wasjust iannucci and chris morris had this show, he was just a sports reporter, and then people started asking me questions about him, said he would make a good character to interval people, and i didn't really think it had any legs and then i thought,

hang on, maybe this can go somewhere. then 30 years later, tragically, i am still trying to bring as much as i can out of the character. bring as much as i can out of the character-— bring as much as i can out of the character. ~ ., , ., ., ., character. who did you model him on? peole character. who did you model him on? people always — character. who did you model him on? people always say. _ character. who did you model him on? people always say, is _ character. who did you model him on? people always say, is that _ character. who did you model him on? people always say, is that this - people always say, is that this person? almost every presenter has had a partridge moment, and ijust sort of galvanise that and chuck it into this big bucket marked partridge, and then regurgitate it. who is alan partridge now, that you watch on the telly? i who is alan partridge now, that you watch on the telly?— watch on the telly? i suppose if you fused richard _ watch on the telly? i suppose if you fused richard madeley _ watch on the telly? i suppose if you fused richard madeley with - watch on the telly? i suppose if you fused richard madeley with piers i fused richard madeley with piers morgan, you might get close to she who is the moment. i think likes to think of himself as cutting edge and edgy and relevant. figs think of himself as cutting edge and edgy and relevant.— think of himself as cutting edge and edgy and relevant. as somebody who works in this — edgy and relevant. as somebody who works in this industry, _ edgy and relevant. as somebody who works in this industry, i _ edgy and relevant. as somebody who works in this industry, i think- edgy and relevant. as somebody who works in this industry, i think it - works in this industry, i think it has almost become a badge of honour to think that as partridge, you were the inspiration for partridge. i think it is kind of gone full

circle. . ~ think it is kind of gone full circle. . ,, , , circle. yeah, i think because, actually. _ circle. yeah, i think because, actually. the _ circle. yeah, i think because, actually, the who _ circle. yeah, i think because, actually, the who started - circle. yeah, i think because, actually, the who started out| circle. yeah, i think because, i actually, the who started out as circle. yeah, i think because, - actually, the who started out as a buffoon, and now people sort of rather like, there is a bit of affection for him now. so although he is misguided and ill informed, he is not nasty, he is not wicked. he tries to do the right thing, so i think people see a slightly inept... when they laugh at partridge, the see an inept uncle, or their parents' generation, getting things slightly wrong. so i think people think, there are worse people in the world, although they want to laugh at the things he says and getting things wrong, struggle now in the post—woke world, struggling with identity politics, they laugh at it because they see their relatives and people they love. because they see their relatives and people they love-— people they love. what will he be doinu people they love. what will he be doing onstage? — people they love. what will he be doing onstage? it _ people they love. what will he be doing onstage? it is _ people they love. what will he be doing onstage? it is the - people they love. what will he be doing onstage? it is the show - doing onstage? it is the show stratagem alan partridge. something like a lifestyle — stratagem alan partridge. something like a lifestyle guru. _ stratagem alan partridge. something like a lifestyle guru. alan _ stratagem alan partridge. something like a lifestyle guru. alan and - stratagem alan partridge. something like a lifestyle guru. alan and his - like a lifestyle guru. alan and his arrogance thinks he has learned

enough to educate the nation and help them deal with their personal problems and guide them through any personal problems. 50 problems and guide them through any personal problems.— personal problems. so he will have uenuinel personal problems. so he will have genuinely troubled _ personal problems. so he will have genuinely troubled people - personal problems. so he will have genuinely troubled people needing| genuinely troubled people needing help, going to alan partridge? yes. help, going to alan partridge? yes, help, going to alan partridge? yes, he aives help, going to alan partridge? yes, he gives them _ help, going to alan partridge? me: he gives them guidance, and also helps there grapple and interpret the modern world, modern pop culture politics and identity politics, gender politics, gender identity, if there is any banana skins that are out there, in the world, he walks over them, slides over them all. right now and the atmosphere that is around now, he would be a massive liability, were he to exist in the real world, wouldn't he?- liability, were he to exist in the real world, wouldn't he? realworld, wouldn't he? yeah, i think he is— realworld, wouldn't he? yeah, i think he is weirdly _ realworld, wouldn't he? yeah, i think he is weirdly unable - realworld, wouldn't he? yeah, i think he is weirdly unable to - realworld, wouldn't he? yeah, i think he is weirdly unable to be l think he is weirdly unable to be cancelled, because firstly he is fictional, but also it is kind of strange, he can see all the things you're not supposed to say at people laugh at it, what is of a real

person said those things, he would not last very long.— not last very long. well, can he? when you _ not last very long. well, can he? when you are — not last very long. well, can he? when you are writing, _ not last very long. well, can he? when you are writing, do - not last very long. well, can he? when you are writing, do you - not last very long. well, can he? | when you are writing, do you ever think, i cannot quite push that far? well, yes, when myself and rob and neil gibbons, the voters, are in a room, we are laughing uproariously as we cook stuff up, but sometimes we do censor ourselves and think, let's not say that, not necessarily because we think it will be unpalatable, because we ourselves think we do not want to pander to that stereotype or prejudice, or we are reinforcing or punching down with that joke, are reinforcing or punching down with thatjoke, we willjust cut it. the general rule for me is punch—up, not down, any disenfranchised group or groups that is sort of marginalised, we do not make fun of, but anybody who is in power or looks like they are unassailable, then we will have a go. has like they are unassailable, then we will have a go-_ will have a go. has that changed over the years — will have a go. has that changed over the years as _ will have a go. has that changed over the years as you _ will have a go. has that changed over the years as you have - will have a go. has that changed over the years as you have been | over the years as you have been writing? i over the years as you have been writin: ? ., , . over the years as you have been writin: ? .,, . ., over the years as you have been writinu? .,, . ., . , over the years as you have been writinu? . . , , writing? i hope that has always been an intuitive thing _ writing? i hope that has always been an intuitive thing for _ writing? i hope that has always been an intuitive thing for me, _ writing? i hope that has always been an intuitive thing for me, not - an intuitive thing for me, not something you can legislate, it has

always been like an instantjust to do that. but yes, certainly, becoming more aware of it, certainly in terms of sexual politics, becoming more acutely aware of it, definitely. i becoming more acutely aware of it, definitel . ~ . becoming more acutely aware of it, definitel . ,, , ., , definitely. i think it is lovely when you — definitely. i think it is lovely when you are _ definitely. i think it is lovely when you are on _ definitely. i think it is lovely when you are on the - definitely. i think it is lovely when you are on the sofa, l definitely. i think it is lovely when you are on the sofa, i | definitely. i think it is lovely i when you are on the sofa, i am delighted we get to talk to you more. for ourviewers delighted we get to talk to you more. for our viewers on the news channel, this is where we say goodbye to you. you're watching bbc breakfast. it's 8.59.

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