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desperately in need of a new direction. dan roan, bbc news, lord's. that's it. now on bbc one, time for the news where you are. have a very good night. hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are matthew syed, who's a columnist for the times and sunday times, and jessica elgot, the chief political correspondent at the guardian. tomorrow's front pages, starting with... the metro leads with the story of scott sibley — believed to be the first british person killed in the war in ukraine so far. a second briton is missing.
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while the financial times reports joe biden is asking congress for an extra $36—billion — which they say is a sign he expects a long and intensifying conflict. the guardian also leads on the extra aid for ukraine and reports the missile strikes that took place in kyiv during a visit by the head of the un. the telegraph reports that the uk is to send 8—thousand troops and equipment to eastern europe — to bolster nato forces in the region. the i covers the sexual harrassment claims in parliament — saying a growing number of female mps are now calling for an end to it. the independent has a new angle on claims a tory mp watched pornography on his phone in the commons. it says there are now doubts over whether an inquiry into the case will ever take place. while the times leads with a report that people with arthritis will be told to stop taking painkillers — and lose weight instead. so let's begin...
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thank you both forjoining us. will start with the front page of the telegraph the headline read, britain 27 troops to eastern europe. this is plans to go ahead with one of the largest deployments since the cold war. matthew, this is a big commitment by the uk, isn't it? yes. commitment by the uk, isn't it? yes, and i think a — commitment by the uk, isn't it? yes, and i think a sensible _ commitment by the uk, isn't it? yes, and i think a sensible one. _ commitment by the uk, isn't it? yes, and i think a sensible one. i - commitment by the uk, isn't it? yes and i think a sensible one. i went to eastern europe to poland about three weeks ago to the ukraine border and the thing that struck me most talking to people, members of the public, people in the political class is although it's a member of nato, very few people believed that if russia invaded poland, which they felt was not completely unreal possibility that nato countries would come to the aid. why would they do so, why would they risk nuclear war for polling? what we have at the moment is just a tripwire capability. i think the idea is we put troops over there, we
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conduct proper operations with other nato members, itjust increases in vladimir putin is mind the prospect of genuine retaliation, the article five guarantee. and by implication deters any such aggression. i think a sensible way of trying to make sure that we don't get into in even more escalatory phase of this war. i think we can call it war between the western putin is russia.— western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely _ western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely right _ western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely right to _ western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely right to say _ western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely right to say is - western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely right to say is one - western putin is russia. jessica. absolutely right to say is one of| absolutely right to say is one of the things that this shows is not 'ust the things that this shows is not just ukraine but also showing countries _ just ukraine but also showing countries in eastern europe countries _ countries in eastern europe countries in eastern europe countries in nato that the nato commitment means what it means, and the face _ commitment means what it means, and the face of— commitment means what it means, and the face of some of those doubts that maddie wasjust explaining. it was a _ that maddie wasjust explaining. it was a two — that maddie wasjust explaining. it was a two is a huge commitment. not the exact details of it it's called potentially exercise hedgehog with british _ potentially exercise hedgehog with british forces who are joining what
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will he _ british forces who are joining what will be 18,000 troops on the estonian, latvia border. one of the most _ estonian, latvia border. one of the most frightening things in recent days has— most frightening things in recent days has been the ramping up of some of the _ days has been the ramping up of some of the propaganda on russian tv, the head of— of the propaganda on russian tv, the head of rt_ of the propaganda on russian tv, the head of rt and svr russia's equivalent of mi six. floating conspiracy theories about how the us is seeking _ conspiracy theories about how the us is seeking to annex ukraine, they believe _ is seeking to annex ukraine, they believe nuclear war is imminent, third _ believe nuclear war is imminent, third world — believe nuclear war is imminent, third world war is imminent, again trying— third world war is imminent, again trying to— third world war is imminent, again trying to ramp up the rhetoric around — trying to ramp up the rhetoric around the western involvement. it's also quite _ around the western involvement. it's also quite clear that the west has to show— also quite clear that the west has to show its— also quite clear that the west has to show its own kind of resolve and this is— to show its own kind of resolve and this is a _ to show its own kind of resolve and this is a way— to show its own kind of resolve and this is a way of doing it. the to show its own kind of resolve and this is a way of doing it.— this is a way of doing it. the metro now, the front _ this is a way of doing it. the metro now, the front page _ this is a way of doing it. the metro now, the front page talks - this is a way of doing it. the metro now, the front page talks about. this is a way of doing it. the metro | now, the front page talks about the british army veteran who has died fighting russian forces in ukraine.
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another one apparently is missing in action for the view could see a picture they are, a photo of scott sibley with both the ukrainian and union flag on his arm. tremendously courageous he _ union flag on his arm. tremendously courageous. he didn't _ union flag on his arm. tremendously courageous. he didn't have - union flag on his arm. tremendously courageous. he didn't have to - union flag on his arm. tremendously courageous. he didn't have to go. i courageous. he didn't have to go. tremendously sad that a brit has lost his life. of course he didn't have to go, he thought for a set of values that he felt were very important and worth taking a risk for. i'm also struck by the fact that some ukrainians, including a very wealthy boxer living in london decided to go back and fight for the homeland. i think it also something of tremendous important, these values, western values, freedom, democracy they are worth fighting for. i think hence this long piece that we've enjoyed since the second world war many of us involved in conflict often enjoy or forget the stakes are so hard to defend these values with up we also see the
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importance of national identity, the people prepared to fight and die for ukraine, ukrainians who could have stayed here. i'm conscious that in the other big geopolitical event of the other big geopolitical event of the last year in afghanistan, the afghan national army dissolved within seconds of the american withdrawal. i think the reason is there isn't really a true afghan national solidarity. people just divided into their sectarian identity groups almost as soon as the withdrawal. i think it's also something very important about defending values but also defending a sense of national identity. jessica, do you agree with that? mas jessica, do you agree with that? was also true is — jessica, do you agree with that? was also true is i — jessica, do you agree with that? was also true is i think there's probably complications on why that afghan— probably complications on why that afghan army which was beset by funding — afghan army which was beset by funding problems and morale in a very quick— funding problems and morale in a very quick withdrawal of the us,
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which _ very quick withdrawal of the us, which meant that they left essentially with very little to fight — essentially with very little to fight with. in ukraine i think one of the _ fight with. in ukraine i think one of the things that has been so striking — of the things that has been so striking about the conflict is there were _ striking about the conflict is there were many people in the west and in russia _ were many people in the west and in russia who _ were many people in the west and in russia who had grave doubts about whether— russia who had grave doubts about whether that sense of ukrainian nationalism where holes, but people felt strongly about the country at about _ felt strongly about the country at about those values they've been proved _ about those values they've been proved horribly wrong. days been proved _ proved horribly wrong. days been proved extraordinarily wrong. those people _ proved extraordinarily wrong. those people who have expressed those doubts _ people who have expressed those doubts. because the strength of the ukrainian _ doubts. because the strength of the ukrainian people and the strength of people _ ukrainian people and the strength of people around the world who went to fight, _ people around the world who went to fight, the _ people around the world who went to fight, the values that needs to defend their has meant that they've become _ defend their has meant that they've become effectively and occupy a it's almost _ become effectively and occupy a it's almost impossible to imagine a russia — almost impossible to imagine a russia now occupying keys with out effectively —— kyiv. effectively killing — effectively —— kyiv. effectively killing all its inhabitants. i think that has— killing all its inhabitants. i think that has been perhaps the most
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striking — that has been perhaps the most striking feature of the war. let�*s striking feature of the war. let's move onto _ striking feature of the war. let's move onto the _ striking feature of the war. let's move onto the financial - striking feature of the war. let�*s move onto the financial times front page. again talking about ukraine, this time the us involvement and president biden asked congress for 33 billion us dollars in extra aid to support ukraine. the article goes on to say that it looks like washington is it taking an increasingly assertive approach to the war. was criticism early that there wasn't enough assertive attitude coming out of washington in terms of support, practical support for the ukrainians. the terms of support, practical support for the ukrainians.— for the ukrainians. the west has been remarkably _ for the ukrainians. the west has been remarkably weak _ for the ukrainians. the west has been remarkably weak towards l for the ukrainians. the west has - been remarkably weak towards putin for many, many years. effectively appeasement and putin has banks what he's got moved on to get more. he is very cleverly divided and ruled the west. german energy dependence which is still a massive fracture in western solidarity, britain took dirty money from which made it a cult to impose rigorous sanctions. putin is still trying to divide and rule with his energy policy and the
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way he is trying to get germans to pay in roubles through the back door. this is absolutely overdue from biden. ithink door. this is absolutely overdue from biden. i think he will get this money from congress. the fear that some had that if we stand up to putin it makes escalation more likely. that has to be set against the idea that if we don't stand up to somebody who only seems to respond to demonstrations of strength, he willjust keep going. in other eastern european nations that he's had his eye on for sometime, in he explicitly explained what he wanted to do to create a russian empire back in 2008. i think this is wise for biden and i will be very surprised if congress doesn't grab the money. it very surprised if congress doesn't grab the money-— very surprised if congress doesn't grab the money. it should be said an extraordinary — grab the money. it should be said an extraordinary amount _ grab the money. it should be said an extraordinary amount of— grab the money. it should be said an extraordinary amount of money - grab the money. it should be said an extraordinary amount of money it. grab the money. it should be said an extraordinary amount of money it is | extraordinary amount of money it is for biden— extraordinary amount of money it is for biden to — extraordinary amount of money it is for biden to come commit. 33 billion is more _ for biden to come commit. 33 billion is more than — for biden to come commit. 33 billion is more than doubling of what the us
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is done _ is more than doubling of what the us is done to— is more than doubling of what the us is done to date. and it's on a huge amount— is done to date. and it's on a huge amount to — is done to date. and it's on a huge amount to date. there is worse, these russian reprisals annex collation _ these russian reprisals annex collation but it feels like relations are now at the point of no return— relations are now at the point of no return between the capitals. the reorisals — return between the capitals. the reprisals included those cruise missile — reprisals included those cruise missile attacks on kyiv when the un's_ missile attacks on kyiv when the un's security chief was visiting. there's— un's security chief was visiting. there's no— un's security chief was visiting. there's no mistake about the message that was— there's no mistake about the message that was intended to send. it ukrainians described it as a moscow, those _ ukrainians described it as a moscow, those strikes. given the fact that moscow— those strikes. given the fact that moscow seems to have bombed the ukrainian _ moscow seems to have bombed the ukrainian capital while the un secretary general was there will probably— secretary general was there will probably raise more questions about why russia _ probably raise more questions about why russia still has a seat on the un security council when it's trying to bomb _ un security council when it's trying to bomb at — un security council when it's trying to bomb at secretary general. i think— to bomb at secretary general. i think all— to bomb at secretary general. i think all of those things are going to become a really big questions in the coming —
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to become a really big questions in the coming months. i suspect they're starting _ the coming months. i suspect they're starting to— the coming months. i suspect they're starting to be a huge western mark over theirs — starting to be a huge western mark over theirs. . , starting to be a huge western mark over theirs. ., , ., starting to be a huge western mark over theirs-— over theirs. that is an awkward auestion over theirs. that is an awkward question between _ over theirs. that is an awkward question between work- over theirs. that is an awkward question between work cannot | over theirs. that is an awkward i question between work cannot do. particularly the security council. it can't do anything because the great powers, the major powers that were invited into the security council at the end of the second world war completely at odds at what to do. china is effectively backing russia in a vastly important historic decision that the chinese communist party has made. currently divided its attention by commitment, this diluted commitment to zero covid and not important western banks i wouldn't be surprised if future historians regard this is important as the world ukraine. you're actually right, the un is pretty hopeless in doing something when the security council can't act and the united way. at the moment it can't. �* , ., .,
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and the united way. at the moment it can't. �*, ., ., ., ., ,, and the united way. at the moment it can't. �*, ., ., ., ., ~ ., can't. let's move on and talk about the story in — can't. let's move on and talk about the story in the _ can't. let's move on and talk about the story in the front _ can't. let's move on and talk about the story in the front page - can't. let's move on and talk about the story in the front page of- can't. let's move on and talk about the story in the front page of the i the story in the front page of the i. it talks about new sexual harassment claims hitting parliament. it's a list here, basically female mps demanding an end to what they call assault, misconduct and misogyny and of commons. jessica, i want to bring you in here. quoting saying that some men, a minority of men in politics behave like animals. it’s politics behave like animals. it's uuite an politics behave like animals. it's quite an extraordinary claim. i think— quite an extraordinary claim. i think it — quite an extraordinary claim. i think it is _ quite an extraordinary claim. i think it is. it is an extraordinary thing _ think it is. it is an extraordinary thing to— think it is. it is an extraordinary thing to do. _ think it is. it is an extraordinary thing to do, any of us who have been out in house — thing to do, any of us who have been out in house of commons terror speaking to mp5 when they let their guard _ speaking to mp5 when they let their guard down and it's a bit late in the evening, there is horrifying things— the evening, there is horrifying things that you hear said quite casually— things that you hear said quite casually which gives you the sense that this _ casually which gives you the sense that this is — casually which gives you the sense that this is such a normalised thing — that this is such a normalised thing of— that this is such a normalised thing. of course it's a minority of mps _ thing. of course it's a minority of mps and — thing. of course it's a minority of mps and it's— thing. of course it's a minority of mps and it's not combined 21 party. ithink—
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mps and it's not combined 21 party. i think at— mps and it's not combined 21 party. i think at this particular issue that— i think at this particular issue that there is about this mp that has apparently watched pawn in the house of commons chamber, brazen how untouchable people feel is i think one of— untouchable people feel is i think one of the — untouchable people feel is i think one of the things to really interrogate. we understand and we've written _ interrogate. we understand and we've written in _ interrogate. we understand and we've written in our story tonight that the whips— written in our story tonight that the whips know the identity of this mp but— the whips know the identity of this mp but they wanted to go through the independent process. and quite a few mps including some cabinet ministers have said _ mps including some cabinet ministers have said look, yes, it can go through— have said look, yes, it can go through the independent process but if we know— through the independent process but if we know who he is then why aren't we suspending the whip? the public will probably want to know answers from that _ will probably want to know answers from that too. it is will probably want to know answers from that too.— from that too. it is the front page ofthe from that too. it is the front page of the guardian, _ from that too. it is the front page of the guardian, your _ from that too. it is the front page of the guardian, your own - from that too. it is the front page of the guardian, your own story, | of the guardian, your own story, p. m. urge to act swiftly over the pawn watcher mp. let me ask you briefly, why do you think they are not given the identity out now to the public? we also spoke to some cabinet ministers today who are cautious
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about— ministers today who are cautious about it — ministers today who are cautious about it because they want to hear why some — about it because they want to hear why some had done this. it's hard to think— why some had done this. it's hard to think of— why some had done this. it's hard to think of what an innocent explanation would be and there are two mps _ explanation would be and there are two mps who have corroborated having seen it _ two mps who have corroborated having seen it from _ two mps who have corroborated having seen it from the same person. it seems _ seen it from the same person. it seems like — seen it from the same person. it seems like two witnesses are prepared _ seems like two witnesses are prepared to come forward and to talk about— prepared to come forward and to talk about it _ prepared to come forward and to talk about it sounds like it is reasonably sure who it is. but of course _ reasonably sure who it is. but of course i— reasonably sure who it is. but of course i think the identity is maybe something — course i think the identity is maybe something that's likely to come out perhaps— something that's likely to come out perhaps in— something that's likely to come out perhaps in the sunday newspapers. i think parties are going to have to work— think parties are going to have to work out — think parties are going to have to work out how to manage that and also how to _ work out how to manage that and also how to ensure that someone is innocent — how to ensure that someone is innocent until proven guilty beat on any real— innocent until proven guilty beat on any real doubt. innocent until proven guilty beat on any real doubt-— innocent until proven guilty beat on any real doubt. matthew, what do you make of all that _ any real doubt. matthew, what do you make of all that has _ any real doubt. matthew, what do you make of all that has been _ any real doubt. matthew, what do you make of all that has been going - make of all that has been going on and has come out in the last few days? and has come out in the last few da s? , ., ~ , , and has come out in the last few das?, ., , .,
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days? dreadful. absolutely dreadful. shocked, appalled, _ days? dreadful. absolutely dreadful. shocked, appalled, i— days? dreadful. absolutely dreadful. shocked, appalled, i have _ days? dreadful. absolutely dreadful. shocked, appalled, i have it- days? dreadful. absolutely dreadful. shocked, appalled, i have it then - days? dreadful. absolutely dreadful. shocked, appalled, i have it then at| shocked, appalled, i have it then at the house of commons terrace and spent time with members of parliament but evenjust spent time with members of parliament but even just what's been said, it's a normalisation of it thatis said, it's a normalisation of it that is so shocking. i'm sure it's true that this is a small minority but nevertheless, to feel that you can watch... if it turns out to be true. i do think this person does deserve due process in the presumption of innocence and an independent investigation to determine the veracity of the claims. but if they are true, in any other workplace you watch pornography, you lose yourjob. i would've thinks the suspension of the whip is the absolute least this retribution of this person could raise once it's established that he did indeed watch pawn and house of commons. due did indeed watch pawn and house of commons. , ., , . , commons. due to its culture problem within west minister? _ commons. due to its culture problem within west minister? it _ commons. due to its culture problem within west minister? it sounds - commons. due to its culture problem within west minister? it sounds to . within west minister? it sounds to me. well within west minister? it sounds to me- well if _ within west minister? it sounds to me- well if you — within west minister? it sounds to me. well if you have _ within west minister? it sounds to me. well if you have a _ within west minister? it sounds to me. well if you have a prominentl me. well if you have a prominent conservative minister saying that there are people, men in parliament
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who are behaving like

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