the whole response response and not the whole response to the cost of living crisis is not necessarilyjust by to the cost of living crisis is not necessarily just by way of government intervention, important though they are, it is about creating the right circumstances for job creation and well—paid sustainable, skilled jobs across wales and the rest of the uk, and we must not lose sight of that. our ambition remains leveling up and all of those other initiatives. absolutely to make sure we remain as a growing economy, internationally competitive, internationally attractive, as we heard from airbus, the newjobs created in north wales. those are the kind of think that will help us through the house cost—of—living crisis, just as much as what the uk government is able to do to intervene when people are hit with moments of hardship. just a final point. _ with moments of hardship. just a final point, simon, _ with moments of hardship. just a final point, simon, if— with moments of hardship. just a final point, simon, if i _ with moments of hardship. just a final point, simon, ifi may. - with moments of hardship. just a final point, simon, ifi may. are. final point, simon, if i may. are you concerned, are you prepared to share whatever concern you have that

where the conservatives have been hit, let's say, in parts of the northeast of wales or in places like bridgend, where you did well in the general election, where the tide seems to have turned into local terms? are you concerned that if you do not get your act together, not least on the cost of living agenda, those seats will be in ginger next time around? the letter a answer... what happens in a local election is replicated in a general election. the idea that everything that happened today, independent tory tussle and bustle won't necessarily be the tussle that happens whenever the next general election happens. so it's important not to make too many hard and fast connections about what might happen at some future stage when we don't know what the world will look like. on the other hand, i do take the

point that what it reminds us, absolutely, is when you talk about where we are in the general scheme of things, we will always be judged on what we do now and what our plans are for the future. just because we had a good election in 2019, it doesn't mean we necessarily can just sit back and expect to have an equally good one in 2024 or whatever it might be. it isjust a stark reminder and a very timely one that all of us, you just have to never lose sight of the fact that we are constantly under the spotlight. talking to the p.m. now, who will be backin talking to the p.m. now, who will be back in wales and a few weeks' time, he'll be absolutely recognising that. he's always under determination, and quite rightly so, that's what we do.— that's what we do. simon, good to talk to you. _

that's what we do. simon, good to talk to you, thanks _ that's what we do. simon, good to talk to you, thanks very _ that's what we do. simon, good to talk to you, thanks very much. - talk to you, thanks very much. secretary of state for whales there, a conservative mp in pembrokeshire. let's bring injohn stevens, the deputy editor of the daily mail —— daily mail. i said hello earlier, nancy, but that seemed a while ago, so it's good to welcome me back too. john, were you convinced of their that simon hart guessed the message of these elections?— of these elections? just to bring up one of the things _ of these elections? just to bring up one of the things he _ of these elections? just to bring up one of the things he brought - of these elections? just to bring up one of the things he brought up - one of the things he brought up there, what tory mps have been saying about the cost of living crisis as they haven't been concerned aboutjust how much the government is doing to do this. there have been problems with selling what they will do on the doorsteps. so it's all rather complicated. look at what rishi sunak has announced, he talked about how people would get some sort of discount on their energy bills, which is really some sort of loan that you'll start paying back next year. it's rather complicated, and that's difficult to sell on a

doorstep. they were also talking about a rebate in debacle on council tax if you live in certain properties. so there's been a problem with explaining to people what exactly they'll do, and you compare that to labour, who've been banging on about how we should get rid of vat on domestic fuel bills since the budget last year, putting that on leaflets through people's doors and repeating that message over and over again. we need a windfall tax on big oilfirms. because of the results that all firms have to put out, you've got a constant rotation of firms coming out and saying "we are making amazing profits," we had bp earlier this week and shall yesterday. it's easier for labour politicians to say here's the big cats money, they should be using some of that to help people in need. 50 money, they should be using some of that to help people in need.— that to help people in need. so when simon was saying — that to help people in need. so when simon was saying we _ that to help people in need. so when simon was saying we have _ that to help people in need. so when simon was saying we have to - that to help people in need. so when simon was saying we have to look. that to help people in need. so when simon was saying we have to look at| simon was saying we have to look at the public finances, we can't make open—ended commitments, there will be a budget later on this year,

there is some help already there what you've alluded to — do you think they'll convince people that they've taken the message away from these results, which is that we need to do something different? we need to do something different? we need to do something different? we need to do something more quickly, something that is easier to understand? and we need to do something that people will see immediately in terms of a practical result? �* , , , ., immediately in terms of a practical result? �*, , , ,, result? there's been some pressure on ministers — result? there's been some pressure on ministers to _ result? there's been some pressure on ministers to do _ result? there's been some pressure on ministers to do that _ result? there's been some pressure on ministers to do that in _ result? there's been some pressure on ministers to do that in the - result? there's been some pressure on ministers to do that in the last i on ministers to do that in the last few months. if you are an mp sitting in one of those seats, where the labour party is making advances in certain places in england, they haven't done particularly well, putting on hundreds of counsellors across the country — but in certain places they have taken counsellors, and you also have the threat of the lib dems coming back again. if you are a tory mpn want to lose many places, places like somerset which

used to be solid lib dem for year after year, that in 2015 david cameron came along, smashing that golden wall, bringing in loads of tory mps, that's how they managed to get their majority in 2015. in 2017, we didn't see a lib dem resurgence, nor in 2019 did they come by the —— come back at all. those will be the people and hammering at rishi sunak�*s door saying you need to do more to help. sunak's door saying you need to do more to help-— more to help. nancy, what do you make of the _ more to help. nancy, what do you make of the batch _ more to help. nancy, what do you make of the batch of— more to help. nancy, what do you make of the batch of results - more to help. nancy, what do you make of the batch of results in - more to help. nancy, what do you i make of the batch of results in your own region? your editor of the sheffield start, think about yorkshire and how important it is in terms of the makeup of maps in seats at westminster. what is your reading what's going on there? in at westminster. what is your reading what's going on there?— what's going on there? in south yorkshire. _ what's going on there? in south yorkshire, we've _ what's going on there? in south yorkshire, we've got _ what's going on there? in south yorkshire, we've got a - what's going on there? in south yorkshire, we've got a new- what's going on there? in south i yorkshire, we've got a new labour mayor— yorkshire, we've got a new labour mayor announced this afternoon. i don't _ mayor announced this afternoon. i don't think— mayor announced this afternoon. i don't think that was ever in doubt. sheffield _ don't think that was ever in doubt. sheffield council is putting another

year of _ sheffield council is putting another year of coalition because it didn't -ain year of coalition because it didn't gain back— year of coalition because it didn't gain back overall control. again, not surprising. the greens and live dems_ not surprising. the greens and live dems did _ not surprising. the greens and live dems did all right, but i think what's really surprising and clear it's his _ what's really surprising and clear it's his message across the north that we've — it's his message across the north that we've got people who are absolutely desperately panicked about _ absolutely desperately panicked about the cost of living, and still labour _ about the cost of living, and still labour haven't made the gains you would _ labour haven't made the gains you would expect them to. i think they really— would expect them to. i think they really need to hear this message that everybody in the last election who was_ that everybody in the last election who was lifelong labour felt taken for granted, and they turned to the conservatives and they are not turning — conservatives and they are not turning back in droves. johnson is playing _ turning back in droves. johnson is playing a — turning back in droves. johnson is playing a great game of saying he's leveling _ playing a great game of saying he's leveling up. the evidence is not here, _ leveling up. the evidence is not here, we — leveling up. the evidence is not here, we cannot feel the leveling up, so — here, we cannot feel the leveling un. so why— here, we cannot feel the leveling up, so why is labour not starting on bike is? _ up, so why is labour not starting on bike is? that's the big question

from _ bike is? that's the big question from today's results. | bike is? that's the big question from today's results.— bike is? that's the big question from today's results. i turn it back to ou, from today's results. i turn it back to you. nancy. — from today's results. i turn it back to you. nancy. and _ from today's results. i turn it back to you, nancy, and ask— from today's results. i turn it back to you, nancy, and ask about - to you, nancy, and ask about people who've been dust you've been talking to, yellow been asking questions in light of today's result. what is your tentative answer to that? what is the labour issue with winning people back? is the labour issue with winning pe0ple back?— is the labour issue with winning peeple back?— is the labour issue with winning pe0ple back?— is the labour issue with winning --eole back? ., �*, ., .., . people back? louw it's no confidence that keir starmer _ people back? louw it's no confidence that keir starmer can _ people back? louw it's no confidence that keir starmer can give _ people back? louw it's no confidence that keir starmer can give change - people back? louw it's no confidence that keir starmer can give change to | that keir starmer can give change to the north. we make the trust has just worn down so massively, you'd think that the labour party would gain it back. on the doorsteps, it really is cost—of—living that is worrying people, that there is still partygate, how are we still voting for a partygate, how are we still voting fo ., ~ , partygate, how are we still voting fo . ~ , ., ., , ., for a prime minister who has all these issues — for a prime minister who has all these issues in _ for a prime minister who has all these issues in the _ for a prime minister who has allj these issues in the background, for a prime minister who has all- these issues in the background, and they stitt— these issues in the background, and they still feel that trust him perhaps more than keir starmer to turn this— perhaps more than keir starmer to turn this around? i think all the

parties — turn this around? i think all the parties really need to look at what the average person is saying, because — the average person is saying, because we always write lots of comments about however you vote, please _ comments about however you vote, please vote, we never tell people how to _ please vote, we never tell people how to vote. we had some people coming _ how to vote. we had some people coming back saying this time, i'm 'ust coming back saying this time, i'm just so— coming back saying this time, i'm just so fed — coming back saying this time, i'm just so fed up with the politicians, i've just so fed up with the politicians, we lost— just so fed up with the politicians, i've lost appetite for it. that's a massive — i've lost appetite for it. that's a massive problem, as well. bear with us, massive problem, as well. bear with us. nancy. — massive problem, as well. bear with us. nancy. you've — massive problem, as well. bear with us, nancy, you've raised _ massive problem, as well. bear with us, nancy, you've raised several- us, nancy, you've raised several points there that i think are worth putting toulose lucy powell, who joined us —— putting took lucy powell. thanks so much forjoining us. from sheffield, that's quite damning saying from her view, she can't understand why labour isn't capitalising more on the prime minister's own circumstances and the fact that there is this dreadful cost—of—living crisis. do you think she's making fair points? cost-of-living crisis. do you think she's making fair points?- she's making fair points? look, i don't totally _ she's making fair points? look, i don't totally agree _ she's making fair points? look, i don't totally agree with - she's making fair points? look, i don't totally agree with her - don't totally agree with her

analysis— don't totally agree with her analysis there in the - don't totally agree with her analysis there in the sense| don't totally agree with her - analysis there in the sense that i think— analysis there in the sense that i think we — analysis there in the sense that i think we have _ analysis there in the sense that i think we have made _ analysis there in the sense that i think we have made significant l analysis there in the sense that i| think we have made significant in the real, — think we have made significant in the real, and _ think we have made significant in the real, and tangible _ think we have made significant in the real, and tangible progress . think we have made significant in| the real, and tangible progress in these _ the real, and tangible progress in these elections, _ the real, and tangible progress in these elections, in _ the real, and tangible progress in these elections, in the _ the real, and tangible progress in these elections, in the midlands, | these elections, in the midlands, these elections, in the midlands, the north, — these elections, in the midlands, the north, in— these elections, in the midlands, the north, in many— these elections, in the midlands, the north, in many areas- these elections, in the midlands, the north, in many areas and - the north, in many areas and constituencies _ the north, in many areas and constituencies we _ the north, in many areas and constituencies we lost - the north, in many areas and constituencies we lost in - the north, in many areas and constituencies we lost in the | the north, in many areas and - constituencies we lost in the 2019 general election. _ constituencies we lost in the 2019 general election. i— constituencies we lost in the 2019 general election. ithink- constituencies we lost in the 2019 general election. i think you - constituencies we lost in the 2019 general election. i think you can. general election. i think you can look— general election. i think you can look across— general election. i think you can look across the _ general election. i think you can look across the piece _ general election. i think you can look across the piece that - general election. i think you can. look across the piece that whether that's— look across the piece that whether that's copeland _ look across the piece that whether that's copeland in _ look across the piece that whether that's copeland in lancashire, - that's copeland in lancashire, yorkshire, _ that's copeland in lancashire, yorkshire, hartlepool, - that's copeland in lancashire,| yorkshire, hartlepool, greater manchesten _ yorkshire, hartlepool, greater manchester. we are _ yorkshire, hartlepool, greater manchester. we are making i yorkshire, hartlepool, greater- manchester. we are making progress in these _ manchester. we are making progress in these key— manchester. we are making progress in these key parliamentary— manchester. we are making progress in these key parliamentary seats - in these key parliamentary seats and, _ in these key parliamentary seats and. on the _ in these key parliamentary seats and, on the face _ in these key parliamentary seats and, on the face of— in these key parliamentary seats and, on the face of today's - in these key parliamentary seats i and, on the face of today's results, we would _ and, on the face of today's results, we would he — and, on the face of today's results, we would be winning _ and, on the face of today's results, we would be winning many- and, on the face of today's results, we would be winning many dozensl and, on the face of today's results, i we would be winning many dozens of those _ we would be winning many dozens of those parliamentary _ we would be winning many dozens of those parliamentary consistencies. . those parliamentary consistencies. —— constituencies. _ those parliamentary consistencies. —— constituencies. where - those parliamentary consistencies. —— constituencies. where i- those parliamentary consistencies. —— constituencies. where i agree l —— constituencies. where i agree with— —— constituencies. where i agree with her— —— constituencies. where i agree with her more _ —— constituencies. where i agree with her more is— —— constituencies. where i agree with her more is the _ —— constituencies. where i agree with her more is the challenge i —— constituencies. where i agreej with her more is the challenge to labour— with her more is the challenge to labour to— with her more is the challenge to labour to come _ with her more is the challenge to labour to come back _ with her more is the challenge to labour to come back from - with her more is the challenge to labour to come back from that. with her more is the challenge to. labour to come back from that very significant — labour to come back from that very significant loss— labour to come back from that very significant loss faced _ labour to come back from that very significant loss faced in _ labour to come back from that very significant loss faced in 2019, - labour to come back from that very significant loss faced in 2019, are l significant loss faced in 2019, are worse _ significant loss faced in 2019, are worse general— significant loss faced in 2019, are worse general election— significant loss faced in 2019, are worse general election results. significant loss faced in 2019, are . worse general election results since 1939. _ worse general election results since 1939, i_ worse general election results since 1939, ithink— worse general election results since 1939, ithink -—

worse general election results since 1939, i think — to _ worse general election results since 1939, i think — to come _ worse general election results since 1939, i think — to come back- worse general election results since 1939, i think — to come back from . 1939, i think — to come back from that and — 1939, i think — to come back from that and very _ 1939, i think — to come back from that and very short _ 1939, i think — to come back from that and very short order - 1939, i think — to come back from that and very short order which i 1939, i think — to come back from that and very short order which isj that and very short order which is never_ that and very short order which is never going — that and very short order which is never going to _ that and very short order which is never going to happen, _ that and very short order which is never going to happen, and - that and very short order which is never going to happen, and mostj that and very short order which is i never going to happen, and most of us, ithink— never going to happen, and most of us, i think certainly— never going to happen, and most of us, i think certainly those _ never going to happen, and most of us, i think certainly those of- never going to happen, and most of us, i think certainly those of us - never going to happen, and most of us, i think certainly those of us in l us, i think certainly those of us in the shadow— us, i think certainly those of us in the shadow cabinet _ us, i think certainly those of us in the shadow cabinet and - us, i think certainly those of us in the shadow cabinet and keir- us, i think certainly those of us in . the shadow cabinet and keir starmer himself. we — the shadow cabinet and keir starmer himself, we recognised _ the shadow cabinet and keir starmer himself, we recognised this - the shadow cabinet and keir starmer himself, we recognised this would i the shadow cabinet and keir starmerj himself, we recognised this would be a massive _ himself, we recognised this would be a massive mountain _ himself, we recognised this would be a massive mountain for— himself, we recognised this would be a massive mountain for us _ himself, we recognised this would be a massive mountain for us to - himself, we recognised this would be a massive mountain for us to climb . a massive mountain for us to climb because _ a massive mountain for us to climb because the — a massive mountain for us to climb because the redwall_ a massive mountain for us to climb because the redwall didn't - a massive mountain for us to climb because the redwall didn't just - a massive mountain for us to climb because the redwall didn't just gol because the redwall didn'tjust go back in_ because the redwall didn'tjust go back in 2019. _ because the redwall didn'tjust go back in 2019, he _ because the redwall didn'tjust go back in 2019, he had _ because the redwall didn'tjust go back in 2019, he had been - because the redwall didn't just go i back in 2019, he had been crumbling for nearly— back in 2019, he had been crumbling for nearly 20 — back in 2019, he had been crumbling for nearly 20 years. _ back in 2019, he had been crumbling for nearly 20 years. and _ back in 2019, he had been crumbling for nearly 20 years. and when - back in 2019, he had been crumbling for nearly 20 years. and when you i for nearly 20 years. and when you face those — for nearly 20 years. and when you face those long—term _ for nearly 20 years. and when you face those long—term political- face those long—term political trends — face those long—term political trends with— face those long—term political trends with our— face those long—term political trends with our traditional - trends with our traditional working—class _ trends with our traditional working—class voters - trends with our traditional. working—class voters moving trends with our traditional - working—class voters moving away from _ working—class voters moving away from us _ working—class voters moving away from us over— working—class voters moving away from us over many— working—class voters moving away from us over many years, - working—class voters moving away from us over many years, it- working—class voters moving away from us over many years, it takes| from us over many years, it takes time _ from us over many years, it takes time to— from us over many years, it takes time to rebuild _ from us over many years, it takes time to rebuild that— from us over many years, it takes time to rebuild that relationship. time to rebuild that relationship and trust — time to rebuild that relationship and trust but— time to rebuild that relationship and trust. but i— time to rebuild that relationship and trust. but i think— time to rebuild that relationship and trust. but i think today's . and trust. but i think today's results — and trust. but i think today's results show— and trust. but i think today's results show us _ and trust. but i think today's results show us that - and trust. but i think today's results show us that we - and trust. but i think today'sj results show us that we have and trust. but i think today's _ results show us that we have stemmed the tide _ results show us that we have stemmed the tide in_ results show us that we have stemmed the tide in that — results show us that we have stemmed the tide in that regard. _ results show us that we have stemmed the tide in that regard. to— results show us that we have stemmed the tide in that regard. to mix - results show us that we have stemmed the tide in that regard. to mix my- the tide in that regard. to mix my metaphors, — the tide in that regard. to mix my metaphors, we've _ the tide in that regard. to mix my metaphors, we've perhaps- the tide in that regard. to mix myl metaphors, we've perhaps reached the tide in that regard. to mix my. metaphors, we've perhaps reached a base camp, — metaphors, we've perhaps reached a base camp, lrut— metaphors, we've perhaps reached a base camp, but we've _ metaphors, we've perhaps reached a base camp, but we've still— metaphors, we've perhaps reached a base camp, but we've still got- metaphors, we've perhaps reached a base camp, but we've still got a - base camp, but we've still got a summit— base camp, but we've still got a summit to — base camp, but we've still got a summit to climb. _ base camp, but we've still got a summit to climb.— base camp, but we've still got a summit to climb. you're looking at the potential— summit to climb. you're looking at the potential to _ summit to climb. you're looking at the potential to potentially - summit to climb. you're looking at the potential to potentially by - the potential to potentially by action dust by election and weight field. how do you view that prospect

in view of these results?— field. how do you view that prospect in view of these results? we've made some gains — in view of these results? we've made some gains in — in view of these results? we've made some gains in wake _ in view of these results? we've made some gains in wake field _ in view of these results? we've made some gains in wake field overnight, l some gains in wake field overnight, so that's— some gains in wake field overnight, so that's obviously— some gains in wake field overnight, so that's obviously reassuring - some gains in wake field overnight, so that's obviously reassuring and l so that's obviously reassuring and gives— so that's obviously reassuring and gives us— so that's obviously reassuring and gives us hope _ so that's obviously reassuring and gives us hope and _ so that's obviously reassuring and gives us hope and that _ so that's obviously reassuring and gives us hope and that by- so that's obviously reassuring and i gives us hope and that by election. but we _ gives us hope and that by election. but we are — gives us hope and that by election. but we are not— gives us hope and that by election. but we are not at _ gives us hope and that by election. but we are not at all— gives us hope and that by election. but we are not at all complacent, i but we are not at all complacent, we take nothing — but we are not at all complacent, we take nothing for— but we are not at all complacent, we take nothing for granted. _ but we are not at all complacent, we take nothing for granted. the - but we are not at all complacent, we take nothing for granted. the people of wheatfield — take nothing for granted. the people of wheatfield did — take nothing for granted. the people of wheatfield did turn _ take nothing for granted. the people of wheatfield did turn against - of wheatfield did turn against labour — of wheatfield did turn against labour in _ of wheatfield did turn against labour in quite _ of wheatfield did turn against labour in quite large - of wheatfield did turn against i labour in quite large numbers, of wheatfield did turn against. labour in quite large numbers, i think— labour in quite large numbers, i thinkthe— labour in quite large numbers, i think the conservative _ labour in quite large numbers, i think the conservative majority. think the conservative majority there _ think the conservative majority there is— think the conservative majority there is over— think the conservative majority there is over 3000 _ think the conservative majority there is over 3000 in - think the conservative majority there is over 3000 in that- think the conservative majority| there is over 3000 in that 2019 election — there is over 3000 in that 2019 election we _ there is over 3000 in that 2019 election. we do _ there is over 3000 in that 2019 election. we do want _ there is over 3000 in that 2019 election. we do want to - there is over 3000 in that 2019 election. we do want to hear. there is over 3000 in that 2019 - election. we do want to hear labour talking _ election. we do want to hear labour talking about — election. we do want to hear labour talking about the _ election. we do want to hear labour talking about the issues, _ election. we do want to hear labourj talking about the issues, addressing the issues _ talking about the issues, addressing the issues and — talking about the issues, addressing the issues and having _ talking about the issues, addressing the issues and having a _ talking about the issues, addressing the issues and having a plan- talking about the issues, addressing the issues and having a plan for- talking about the issues, addressing the issues and having a plan for the| the issues and having a plan for the issues _ the issues and having a plan for the issues they— the issues and having a plan for the issues they care _ the issues and having a plan for the issues they care about in _ the issues and having a plan for the| issues they care about in wheatfield and other— issues they care about in wheatfield and other parts— issues they care about in wheatfield and other parts of— issues they care about in wheatfield and other parts of the _ issues they care about in wheatfield and other parts of the country. - issues they care about in wheatfield and other parts of the country. that| and other parts of the country. that is the _ and other parts of the country. that is the cost—of—living _ and other parts of the country. that is the cost—of—living crisis, - and other parts of the country. that is the cost—of—living crisis, and - and other parts of the country. that is the cost—of—living crisis, and i- is the cost—of—living crisis, and i think— is the cost—of—living crisis, and i think your— is the cost—of—living crisis, and i think yourjournalist _ is the cost—of—living crisis, and i think yourjournalist from - is the cost—of—living crisis, and i think yourjournalist from the i is the cost—of—living crisis, and i. think yourjournalist from the daily mail was _ think yourjournalist from the daily mail was saying _ think yourjournalist from the daily mail was saying before _ think yourjournalist from the daily mail was saying before that - think yourjournalist from the daily mail was saying before that we've i mail was saying before that we've -ot mail was saying before that we've got a _ mail was saying before that we've got a clear— mail was saying before that we've got a clear radical, _ mail was saying before that we've got a clear radical, costed - mail was saying before that we've got a clear radical, costed plan. got a clear radical, costed plan that would _ got a clear radical, costed plan that would really— got a clear radical, costed plan that would really address - got a clear radical, costed plan that would really address the i that would really address the cost—of—living _ that would really address the cost—of—living crisis - that would really address the cost—of—living crisis when - that would really address the cost—of—living crisis when it i that would really address the - cost—of—living crisis when it comes to energy— cost—of—living crisis when it comes to energy bills _ cost—of—living crisis when it comes to energy bills with _ cost—of—living crisis when it comes to energy bills with the _ cost—of—living crisis when it comes to energy bills with the windfall.

to energy bills with the windfall tax and — to energy bills with the windfall tax and cut _ to energy bills with the windfall tax and cut in— to energy bills with the windfall tax and cut in vat. _ to energy bills with the windfall tax and cut in vat. and - to energy bills with the windfall tax and cut in vat. and to - to energy bills with the windfall. tax and cut in vat. and to places like wheatfield, _ tax and cut in vat. and to places like wheatfield, where _ tax and cut in vat. and to places like wheatfield, where the - tax and cut in vat. and to places like wheatfield, where the job i like wheatfield, where the job opportunities _ like wheatfield, where the job opportunities like _ like wheatfield, where the job opportunities like there - like wheatfield, where the job opportunities like there aren't| opportunities like there aren't other— opportunities like there aren't other places. _ opportunities like there aren't other places, if _ opportunities like there aren't other places, if there - opportunities like there aren't other places, if there are - opportunities like there aren't other places, if there are jobi other places, if there are job opportunities _ other places, if there are job opportunities it's— other places, if there are job opportunities it's hard - other places, if there are job opportunities it's hard to - other places, if there are job . opportunities it's hard to get to them _ opportunities it's hard to get to them because _ opportunities it's hard to get to them because transport - them because transport infrastructure _ them because transport infrastructure is... - them because transport infrastructure is... it's i them because transport. infrastructure is... it's not well—connected _ infrastructure is... it's not well—connected in- infrastructure is... it's not well—connected in terms i infrastructure is... it's noti well—connected in terms of infrastructure is... it's not - well—connected in terms of trains, and so _ well—connected in terms of trains, and so on — well—connected in terms of trains, and so on. these _ well—connected in terms of trains, and so on. these are _ well—connected in terms of trains, and so on. these are the - and so on. these are the bread—and—butter- and so on. these are the bread—and—butter issuesj and so on. these are the i bread—and—butter issues i and so on. these are the - bread—and—butter issues i think people want— bread—and—butter issues i think people want to hear _ bread—and—butter issues i think people want to hear the - bread—and—butter issues i think people want to hear the labour| bread—and—butter issues i think- people want to hear the labour party talking _ people want to hear the labour party talking about, — people want to hear the labour party talking about, and _ people want to hear the labour party talking about, and they— people want to hear the labour party talking about, and they are - people want to hear the labour party talking about, and they are the - talking about, and they are the areas _ talking about, and they are the areas well— talking about, and they are the areas we'll be _ talking about, and they are the areas we'll be contesting - talking about, and they are the areas we'll be contesting that i areas we'll be contesting that by election— areas we'll be contesting that by election on— areas we'll be contesting that by election on not _ areas we'll be contesting that by election on not taking _ areas we'll be contesting that by election on not taking a - areas we'll be contesting that by election on not taking a single . areas we'll be contesting that by. election on not taking a single vote for granted — election on not taking a single vote for granted i— election on not taking a single vote for granted-— for granted. i take the point about not complacent, _ for granted. i take the point about not complacent, you _ for granted. i take the point about not complacent, you said - for granted. i take the point about not complacent, you said that, - for granted. i take the point about| not complacent, you said that, and that's all noted. there will be party colleagues of yours watching this saying to themselves very clearly, "we can't not win wheatfield in the by election because that would be a disastrous signal about our prospects looking ahead to the general election." you may not want to acknowledge that,

lucy, so openly, but surely you'll sympathise with the sentiments that they'll be expressing? tote they'll be expressing? we are campaigning _ they'll be expressing? we are campaigning to _ they'll be expressing? we are campaigning to win _ they'll be expressing? we are campaigning to win that - they'll be expressing? we are - campaigning to win that election, by election. _ campaigning to win that election, by election, absolutely. _ campaigning to win that election, by election, absolutely. we would - campaigning to win that election, by| election, absolutely. we would hope that to _ election, absolutely. we would hope that to be _ election, absolutely. we would hope that to be the — election, absolutely. we would hope that to be the outcome, _ election, absolutely. we would hope that to be the outcome, that's- election, absolutely. we would hope that to be the outcome, that's whatl that to be the outcome, that's what we'd wanted — that to be the outcome, that's what we'd wanted to _ that to be the outcome, that's what we'd wanted to be, _ that to be the outcome, that's what we'd wanted to be, and _ that to be the outcome, that's what we'd wanted to be, and we - that to be the outcome, that's what we'd wanted to be, and we are - we'd wanted to be, and we are working — we'd wanted to be, and we are working and _ we'd wanted to be, and we are working and currently- we'd wanted to be, and we are working and currently hard - we'd wanted to be, and we are working and currently hard to i we'd wanted to be, and we are - working and currently hard to make that happen — working and currently hard to make that happen i_ working and currently hard to make that happen. i think— working and currently hard to make that happen. i think today's results| that happen. i think today's results show— that happen. i think today's results show us _ that happen. i think today's results show us that— that happen. i think today's results show us that we _ that happen. i think today's results show us that we are _ that happen. i think today's results show us that we are able _ that happen. i think today's results show us that we are able to - show us that we are able to continue to make _ show us that we are able to continue to make inroads— show us that we are able to continue to make inroads and _ show us that we are able to continue to make inroads and stem _ show us that we are able to continue to make inroads and stem that - show us that we are able to continue to make inroads and stem that tied i to make inroads and stem that tied around _ to make inroads and stem that tied around in places— to make inroads and stem that tied around in places like _ to make inroads and stem that tied around in places like wheatfield, . around in places like wheatfield, and there are _ around in places like wheatfield, and there are many— around in places like wheatfield, and there are many other- around in places like wheatfield, i and there are many other examples around in places like wheatfield, - and there are many other examples of those _ and there are many other examples of those coming — and there are many other examples of those coming out _ and there are many other examples of those coming out today. _ and there are many other examples of those coming out today. what - and there are many other examples of those coming out today. what i - and there are many other examples of those coming out today. what i would| those coming out today. what i would say to _ those coming out today. what i would say to some _ those coming out today. what i would say to some of— those coming out today. what i would say to some of my— those coming out today. what i would say to some of my colleagues - those coming out today. what i would say to some of my colleagues and - say to some of my colleagues and labour— say to some of my colleagues and labour party— say to some of my colleagues and labour party members— say to some of my colleagues and labour party members is- say to some of my colleagues and labour party members is that - say to some of my colleagues and labour party members is that i i say to some of my colleagues and . labour party members is that i think some _ labour party members is that i think some people — labour party members is that i think some people have _ labour party members is that i think some people have thought - labour party members is that i think some people have thought it's- some people have thought it's a disaster— some people have thought it's a disaster for— some people have thought it's a disaster for the _ some people have thought it's a disaster for the government - some people have thought it's a disaster for the government at i some people have thought it's a . disaster for the government at the moment, — disaster for the government at the moment, therefore _ disaster for the government at the moment, therefore it's _ disaster for the government at the moment, therefore it'sjust- disaster for the government at the moment, therefore it'sjust so- disaster for the government at the l moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour— moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour to — moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour to be _ moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour to be home _ moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour to be home and - moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour to be home and dry. - moment, therefore it'sjust so easy for labour to be home and dry. if. for labour to be home and dry. if you've _ for labour to be home and dry. if you've got — for labour to be home and dry. if you've got that _ for labour to be home and dry. if you've got that view, i— for labour to be home and dry. if you've got that view, i don't - for labour to be home and dry. if| you've got that view, i don't think you've got that view, i don't think you understood _ you've got that view, i don't think you understood the _ you've got that view, i don't think you understood the deep- you've got that view, i don't think you understood the deep and - you've got that view, i don't think - you understood the deep and profound

fracturing _ you understood the deep and profound fracturing of— you understood the deep and profound fracturing of our— you understood the deep and profound fracturing of our relationship _ you understood the deep and profound fracturing of our relationship with - fracturing of our relationship with many— fracturing of our relationship with many voters _ fracturing of our relationship with many voters that _ fracturing of our relationship with many voters that led _ fracturing of our relationship with many voters that led to _ fracturing of our relationship with many voters that led to the - fracturing of our relationship with many voters that led to the 2019| many voters that led to the 2019 election— many voters that led to the 2019 election that _ many voters that led to the 2019 election that had _ many voters that led to the 2019 election that had been _ many voters that led to the 2019 election that had been coming . many voters that led to the 2019' election that had been coming for many— election that had been coming for many years— election that had been coming for many years before. _ election that had been coming for many years before. and - election that had been coming for many years before. and actually, | many years before. and actually, keir starmer— many years before. and actually, keir starmer himself— many years before. and actually, keir starmer himself in— many years before. and actually, keir starmer himself in the - many years before. and actually, . keir starmer himself in the shadow cabinet. _ keir starmer himself in the shadow cabinet. we — keir starmer himself in the shadow cabinet, we understand _ keir starmer himself in the shadow cabinet, we understand this - keir starmer himself in the shadow cabinet, we understand this is - keir starmer himself in the shadow cabinet, we understand this is a . cabinet, we understand this is a long. _ cabinet, we understand this is a long. hard — cabinet, we understand this is a long. hard road— cabinet, we understand this is a long, hard road for— cabinet, we understand this is a long, hard road for labour- cabinet, we understand this is a long, hard road for labour but l cabinet, we understand this is a. long, hard road for labour but we are pleased — long, hard road for labour but we are pleased we _ long, hard road for labour but we are pleased we are _ long, hard road for labour but we are pleased we are now _ long, hard road for labour but we are pleased we are now some - long, hard road for labour but we . are pleased we are now some weight on that— are pleased we are now some weight on that road. — are pleased we are now some weight on that road, but _ are pleased we are now some weight on that road, but we _ are pleased we are now some weight on that road, but we are far- are pleased we are now some weight on that road, but we are far from - on that road, but we are far from the end _ on that road, but we are far from the end of— on that road, but we are far from the end of it _ on that road, but we are far from the end of it. we've _ on that road, but we are far from the end of it. we've got - on that road, but we are far from the end of it. we've got to- on that road, but we are far from i the end of it. we've got to redouble our efforts— the end of it. we've got to redouble our efforts to continue _ the end of it. we've got to redouble our efforts to continue in _ the end of it. we've got to redouble our efforts to continue in that - our efforts to continue in that vein — our efforts to continue in that vein. . , our efforts to continue in that vein. , . , . ., vein. lucy, thanks very much for 'oinin: vein. lucy, thanks very much for joining us- _ vein. lucy, thanks very much for joining us. nancy, _ vein. lucy, thanks very much for joining us. nancy, coming - vein. lucy, thanks very much for joining us. nancy, coming back. vein. lucy, thanks very much for| joining us. nancy, coming back to you and asking about wheatfield, do you and asking about wheatfield, do you think that is a by election that is eminently will double for labour? what is your thoughts? it is eminently will double for labour? what is your thoughts?— is eminently will double for labour? what is your thoughts? it should be, i'm not convinced _ what is your thoughts? it should be, i'm not convinced it's _ what is your thoughts? it should be, i'm not convinced it's eminently - i'm not convinced it's eminently winnable, — i'm not convinced it's eminently winnable, but you are absolutely right _ winnable, but you are absolutely right that — winnable, but you are absolutely right that it is key because people vote differently for their councils as they — vote differently for their councils as they will for their mps. so it is as they will for their mps. so it is a massive — as they will for their mps. so it is a massive one that labour really need to— a massive one that labour really need to get their back pocket to

say, _ need to get their back pocket to say, it's— need to get their back pocket to say, it's not a massive turning point, it's— say, it's not a massive turning point, it's a— say, it's not a massive turning point, it's a step in generations of mistrust _ point, it's a step in generations of mistrust needs to be rebuilt, and that's— mistrust needs to be rebuilt, and that's a _ mistrust needs to be rebuilt, and that's a really good place to start. in that's a really good place to start. in the _ that's a really good place to start. in the message that it doesn't start there _ in the message that it doesn't start there is— in the message that it doesn't start there is not very good at all. nancy. — there is not very good at all. nancy, thanks very much. just a quick word from you, john, given we've come full circle in terms of labour and the wakefield by election. foryou, labour and the wakefield by election. for you, where does this set of elections leave the political landscape? would you agree that keir starmer has a point in saying that some type of turning point has been reached for labour? or do you think it's not there for them yet? i reached for labour? or do you think it's not there for them yet?- it's not there for them yet? i think if ou it's not there for them yet? i think if you look— it's not there for them yet? i think if you look at _ it's not there for them yet? i think if you look at the _ it's not there for them yet? i think if you look at the seats _ it's not there for them yet? i think if you look at the seats across - it's not there for them yet? i think if you look at the seats across the | if you look at the seats across the redwall today, some of them switched to the tories for the first time in 2019, it's been a mixed picture —— since 319. there are places labour can point you to say they've made gains, pointing to particular

councils where they can say, those are places where there are seats to win that we have made progress. at the same time, the tories can give you an equal list of places, and say in those places labour is going backwards. so i think it's very hard for keir starmer to say that we are really making the significant progress that labour would need to make in order to get a majority. you just look at how far labour is coming from behind. they need to get another 127 seats to be able to get a majority. you really need to make significant gains in these places. going back to the wakefield by election, you speak to people and labour behind—the—scenes and they say that is absolutely a must win, there's actually no option about that. and if they don't win that, there'll be questions about keir starmer�*s leadership. there'll be questions about keir starmer's leadership.— starmer's leadership. equally, conservatives _ starmer's leadership. equally, conservatives are _ starmer's leadership. equally, conservatives are saying - conservatives are saying behind—the—scenes that if the

cost—of—living agenda and policy is not radically changed and boosted, and done in a way in which people can understand quickly, then a by election like wakefield will look more winnable for labour. so the pressure is on the government as well to deliver before that takes place. well to deliver before that takes lace. , , , well to deliver before that takes lace, , , , , well to deliver before that takes lace. , , , , ., place. the pressure is on the government _ place. the pressure is on the government not _ place. the pressure is on the government not just - place. the pressure is on the government notjust on - place. the pressure is on the | government notjust on giving place. the pressure is on the - government notjust on giving people a bit of extra money for their energy bill, but it's about tax. the tories are meant to be a tax—cutting party, we've heard rishi sunak over and over again say how he wants to cut taxes. there are those on the tory back is saying now that the best way we could make life easier for people would be to reduce their taxes instead of whacking up things like national insurance.— like national insurance. thank you. i'm over like national insurance. thank you. im over to — like national insurance. thank you. im over to you _ like national insurance. thank you. i'm over to you for _ like national insurance. thank you. i'm over to you for the _ like national insurance. thank you. i'm over to you for the next - i'm over to you for the next instalment. the next instalment is scotland, all councils are declared. this is scotland, all councils are declared. thi , , ., ., scotland, all councils are declared. thi , ., ., ., this is the state of play for all the main _ this is the state of play for all the main parties _ this is the state of play for all the main parties in _ this is the state of play for all the main parties in terms - this is the state of play for all

the main parties in terms of i this is the state of play for all. the main parties in terms of their share of the vote. as you can see, the snp has come top — it's actually increased its share from the last election in 2017. then it was on 32%, now it's on 34%. that is its best share since it became the government back in 2007. so no sign of the midterm blues in terms of the share of the boat with the snp. labour on 22%, two points ahead of the conservatives, now in second place. there be a big sigh of relief from the labour party over that. conservatives have slipped back, as you can see, the lib dems and greens have both picked up in terms of share. let me show you some of the individual council results. dundee and snp gained from no overall control. wes barton sure, again, a labour gained. all these other great councils are overhung, so edinburgh,

added to aberdeen — clack manager and west lillian, although they are in no overall control, it's actually just within 1—2 seats of taking control of those councils. so although they look great, the snp has performed well there. i want to go to glasgow and show you the details here, because it had been labour for so details here, because it had been labourfor so many details here, because it had been labour for so many years before details here, because it had been labourfor so many years before it went over five years ago. it is where nicola sturgeon is in us —— and msp. you can see the sliver between the snp and labour in terms of seats. the smp are shortjust six seats of a majority. —— snp. they've lost a couple seats, the conservatives have really fallen back and it's labour in the greens

who gained there. in terms of the first preference share of the vote, as always, i like the first preference change since 2017. the snp has actually slipped back in glasgow, as have the conservatives, and that is to the advantage of labour in the green party. many thanks for— labour in the green party. many thanks for that _ labour in the green party. many thanks for that overview - labour in the green party. many thanks for that overview for - labour in the green party. many thanks for that overview for us i labour in the green party. many| thanks for that overview for us of what's going on in scotland. now we have a full set to consider so we can make more definitive statements. kate forbes is a scottish finance secretary. thanks very much, good evening to you. secretary. thanks very much, good evening to yon-— secretary. thanks very much, good| evening to you._ nice evening to you. good evening. nice to talk to you- _ evening to you. good evening. nice to talk to you. i'm _ evening to you. good evening. nice to talk to you. i'm looking - evening to you. good evening. nice to talk to you. i'm looking down - evening to you. good evening. nice to talk to you. i'm looking down at| to talk to you. i'm looking down at the results which, for a party that's been in powerfor such a long time, it's a remarkable set of results. what's led to it? it’s time, it's a remarkable set of results. what's led to it? it's the 11th consecutive _ results. what's led to it? it's the 11th consecutive win. _ results. what's led to it? it's the 11th consecutive win. and - results. what's led to it? it's the 11th consecutive win. and as -

results. what's led to it? it's the 11th consecutive win. and as we | results. what's led to it? it's the i 11th consecutive win. and as we just heard, it's notjust any win, it's a win by some considerable margin in terms of increased share of the vote and the number of counsellors. as has been alluded to, we've also seen a number of councils where the snp have hit a larger share of council increase, as well. the bottom line is that it demonstrates that the people of scotland still have trust in the policies and leadership, and values of the snp. they've shown that notjust on a national level last year, but at a local level, as well. on the flip side, it's also judgment on our opponents, a devastating defeat for conservatives.- devastating defeat for conservatives. ~ . , ., devastating defeat for conservatives. ~ . .,~ devastating defeat for conservatives. . ., conservatives. what did you make of the balance on _ conservatives. what did you make of the balance on the _ conservatives. what did you make of the balance on the other _ conservatives. what did you make of the balance on the other parties? . the balance on the other parties? i'll ask you to be as impartial as you can, which may not be very given that in fairness, you're representing your own party. but you see labour moving back into second

place and the conservatives into third place in terms of popular support. does that tell you that the labour challenge you're likely to face in the next election to westminster, than to the scottish parliament will be considerably more vigorous than the one you've been experiencing so far? what's your reading of how the landscape is changed? i reading of how the landscape is chanced? ., �* ~' reading of how the landscape is chanced? ., �* ~ ., , changed? i don't think so, largely because i think _ changed? i don't think so, largely because i think labour's - changed? i don't think so, largely because i think labour's advance, changed? i don't think so, largely i because i think labour's advance, as it were, has been always entirely at the conservatives's defeat. the conservatives have lost over 60 counsellors and we seem labour take advantage of that in certain areas. remember, labourand advantage of that in certain areas. remember, labour and the conservatives are fighting it out for second place, far behind us in the rear—view mirror. i think ultimately where you've seen the most advances in the selection is with pro—independence parties and the greens. so our sense of it is

that even in somewhere like glasgow where it labour have been throwing everything out it, desperately hoping to have made more progress to take back glasgow, we haven't been able to do that despite what we've thrown at it and the conservatives falling back. flan thrown at it and the conservatives falling back-— falling back. can we talk about momentum — falling back. can we talk about momentum in _ falling back. can we talk about momentum in terms _ falling back. can we talk about momentum in terms of - falling back. can we talk about momentum in terms of the i momentum in terms of the independence debate? because clearly one of the issues here is with raising people's expectations for any party that is successful, and lots of your supporters are clearly hoping this will turbo—charge your campaign for hoping this will turbo—charge your campaignfora hoping this will turbo—charge your campaign for a referendum and another go at independence. is that the message here, that it's full steam ahead? i asked ian blackford earlier today, steam ahead? i asked ian blackford earliertoday, is steam ahead? i asked ian blackford earlier today, is it full steam ahead on that referendum campaign, and something you are set to deliver on the timescale you've set out? we are on the timescale you've set out? - are already ahead in the sense that last year we secured a mandate. we

secured that mandate. it's not a surprise that the smp stand for independence, and when they are voting they'll have this in mind. there's a question of trust and the future of our nation. we are making progress, ourfirst minister future of our nation. we are making progress, our first minister was very clear last year that as we started to come out of covid, it would be the right time to put that question back to the people and work on progressing. i think ian blackford talked about the papers to be published about consulting with people and responding to some of the questions that have been put to us. so that work is ongoing, as i said, this is the 11th consecutive win for the snp and in each of these elections, the snp has stood for independence and moving scotland into a place where we can put that question back to the people. fin question back to the people. on the same theme, what _ question back to the people. on the same theme, what evidence - question back to the people. on the same theme, what evidence is -

question back to the people. on the| same theme, what evidence is there that the view of the scottish people on independence has changed significantly since that referendum held in 2014? is there any credible evidence on that?— evidence on that? there's huge amounts of _ evidence on that? there's huge amounts of you _ evidence on that? there's huge amounts of you only _ evidence on that? there's huge amounts of you only need - evidence on that? there's huge amounts of you only need to i evidence on that? there's huge i amounts of you only need to look evidence on that? there's huge - amounts of you only need to look at the results today or this time last yearin the results today or this time last year in terms of the conservatives who have one policy, which is no to a second independence referendum, and consistently and repeatedly have failed to win a majority or come anywhere close to the snp. we have the polling today which demonstrates pro—independence parties are making progress. without a shadow of a doubt, we know people are sick and tired of being taken for granted by the westminster government, whether it's partygate, the lack of progress on the cost of living, orjust the fact that they say no to democracy, no to putting that question back to the people in the form of a referendum. it's always the party most scared of the result that will

say no. whereas we believe that question should be put to the people, setting out that perspective and we believe that when that question is put to the people, the people will choose to put scotland's future in scotland's hands rather than leave it with the uk government. it than leave it with the uk government.— than leave it with the uk government. . , , ., government. it will all be seen and come out in — government. it will all be seen and come out in the _ government. it will all be seen and come out in the wash _ government. it will all be seen and come out in the wash at _ government. it will all be seen and come out in the wash at some - government. it will all be seen and i come out in the wash at some point. thanks very much forjoining us, kate forbes. joining us there from doing well. my thanks tojohn stevens from the daily mail — john will be leaving us in a few seconds, and you nancy, as well, editorial of the sheffield star, it was lovely having you with us too. some news in a second, but we will take a little break to see whether we will have some nice weather coming up over the weekend. here's thomas. good evening. the earlier rain across northern and western parts of the uk

should largely fizzle out through the evening and overnight, and that means that the weekend should be generally dry, sunny spells, just a few showers in the forecast, i think, tomorrow. so, here's the latest satellite picture, as the weather front crosses the country and moves southwards, here it is very early in the morning, and then i think by the middle of the day, it should be out of the picture, as high pressure builds in. so, through the early hours, a few showers there in east anglia and the southeast. elsewhere across the country, it's a case of clearing skies and our temperatures around seven o'clock in the morning on saturday around 9 celsius in belfast, seven celsius in glasgow, 13 degrees in london with that cloud and a few showers. now, the forecast indicates a fair bit of cloud across east anglia and the southeast in the morning. it could hang around through the afternoon as well, could be some showers, showers also could develop from southern parts of wales across the pen pennines, just about into the midlands. i think the best of the sunshine will be out towards the west across wales, southwestern parts of england, the higher temperatures

here up to around 19 degrees or so. all in all, i think saturday is going to be a mostly fine day. here's sunday, high pressure still in charge, butjust starting to drift out towards the north sea. and this low pressure makes inroads. so, on sunday, i think increasing amounts of cloud out towards the northwest. i think more than anything, its hazy skies. elsewhere, scattered fairweather clouds with light winds, temperatures inland up up to around 18—19 degrees, on the north sea coast, a bit fresher there, closer to 14 degrees. now, here's monday. that weather front really does push in across northern ireland and into scotland, so some wet and breezy weather at times here. but across the midlands, east anglia and the southeast, it's going to be a fine monday with sunshine and quite warm too. given some sunshine, temperatures could get up to around 21 degrees. now, here's the outlook for next week. now, you will notice that the breeze is mostly coming off the atlantic, so it's not going to be all that warm. still temperatures probably

in the high teens, just about 20 degrees across the south, but the thinking is that elsewhere across the country, it will be a good deal cooler with frequent showers and breezy weather. bye— bye. hello and welcome back once again to the bbc election studio at the new broadcasting house in london. this is where we have been the last 24 hours and having a close look at those assaults, as they started to come in —— those results. most of

the english councils have come in, or